England v Australia, 1st T20, Ageas Bowl

England still hold edge despite changes

The Preview by Alex Winter

August 28, 2013

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Match facts

August 29, Ageas Bowl
Start time 1830 (1730 GMT)


Stuart Broad is pumped after sending David Warner back to the pavilion, England v Australia, Champions Trophy, Group A, Edgbaston, June 8, 2013
Stuart Broad returns to lead England with seven months to go until the World T20 © Getty Images
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Any event in the aftermath of an Ashes series has got its work cut out to capture the imagination but a short, sharp Twenty20 series has got a chance, with the World T20 next March adding much-needed relevance. Australia will also be extremely keen to take something home and recent history suggests they are a good bet to do so, with the last three Ashes winners struggling in the limited-overs matches that followed.

But Australia may have to wait until the ODI series to find much-craved success because England's T20 squad is largely fresh and eager to impress selectors ahead of a global tournament. There are potential places in the ODI team at stake too, with England likely to continue rotation of the players involved in more than one format until preparation for the 2015 ODI World Cup begins in a year's time.

Australia also need to reverse a poor recent record in bilateral T20 series. Since June 2010, they have only won five of 19 matches. That they managed to defy that form with a run to the semi-final of the World T20 in Sri Lanka was down to a remarkable tournament from Shane Watson and a good showing from the now-retired Mike Hussey.

George Bailey returns to lead the side along with a host of one-day specialists including Mitchell Johnson, the mere mention of whom draws guffaws from England supporters, but his good showing in the Champions Trophy suggests he could earn their respect.

England also change captains with Stuart Broad taking the reins. He has a squad full of players in form having recently played in the Friends Life t20 and closing rounds of the Yorkshire Bank 40. Michael Carberry heads that list after over 500 runs in the Flt20 and is in line for a first international appearance since his solitary Test in Chittagong three years ago. Ravi Bopara has also found his touch and will use the limited-overs internationals to stake a claim for a place on the Ashes tour as a potential No. 6.

Form guide

England: LWLWW
Australia: LLLLL

Players to watch

It's a big few weeks for Jos Buttler with the jury very much out on how effective his swashbuckling batting actually is. He will be mostly judged on his performances in the ODIs where there is more doubt on his ability to bat for a long period, but he will like to get in credit during this series. His recent showings in T20s for England - two good knocks in New Zealand and good contributions in India before Christmas - plus Matt Prior's loss of form also give him some leeway.

Mitchell Starc endured a difficult Ashes series, coming in-and-out of the side and struggling for rhythm. One-day cricket appears to be his strength and his best statistics both internationally and domestically are found in Twenty20. He was superb at the World T20 in Sri Lanka, third-highest of the wicket-takers with 10 dismissals.

Team news

England's T20 squad is largely at full-strength with a host of options in the batting order. Michael Carberry has been called up following a super domestic season and should play one of the two matches in this series. Joe Root gives England another spin option alongside James Tredwell, with the choice of fast bowlers looking between Jade Dernbach and Boyd Rankin.

England (possible) 1 Alex Hales, 2 Michael Lumb, 3 Luke Wright, 4 Eoin Morgan, 5 Joe Root, 6 Ravi Bopara, 7 Jos Buttler (wk), 8 Stuart Broad (capt), 9 Steven Finn, 10 James Tredwell, 11 Jade Dernbach

Australia have an inflated 18-man squad for this series, which will be trimmed to 15 for the ODI series. Adam Voges had a limited Flt20 for Middlesex with the bat but was their most economical bowler and, unless Fawad Ahmed is given a debut, Voges will be relied upon for some slow bowling with Glenn Maxwell also an option. There's a choice between Aaron Finch and Shaun Marsh for the No. 3 slot with Finch having the better record from his handful of internationals.

Australia (possible) 1 David Warner, 2 Shane Watson, 3 Aaron Finch, 4 George Bailey (capt), 5 Adam Voges, 6 Glenn Maxwell, 7 Matthew Wade (wk), 8 James Faulkner, 9 Mitchell Johnson, 10 Mitchell Starc, 11 Clint McKay

Pitch and conditions

The Ageas Bowl has produced some cracking pitches for T20, none more so than for the Flt20 quarter-final which yielded over 400 runs. No rain is forecast which bodes well for a good evening for a sell-out crowd.

Stats and trivia

  • Memories will turn back to 2005 when England beat Australia in the only T20 by 100 runs and was seen as a watershed moment for English cricket.
  • The only other international T20 staged at the Ageas Bowl was in 2006 when Sri Lanka edged England in a tight contest in one of Marcus Trescothick's last international games.
  • T20 is still a young game; this will be only the second time Australia have played England in a T20 in England. Both fixtures in 2009 were washed out by rain.
  • George Bailey, parachuted in as Australia's new T20 captain in February 2012, has scored only one half-century in his 16 international T20s.

Quotes

"These guys have performed throughout the county season to get a chance at international level. They wouldn't be in the squad if they're not good enough to play and the squad will be very focused on beating Australia."
England's T20 captain Stuart Broad defends England's much-changed squad.

"I've no doubt they'd have Mitch in their sights for a couple of those Ashes games particularly given the grounds and his record at some of those grounds."
George Bailey, Australia's T20 captain, tips Mitchell Johnson for a Test recall this winter.

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Posted by Batmanindallas on (August 29, 2013, 18:29 GMT)

I dont think so..Finch and Aussies looks like will win this one

Posted by Harlequin. on (August 29, 2013, 18:13 GMT)

@Jono Makim - eating your words yet?! ;)

Posted by android_user on (August 29, 2013, 17:23 GMT)

Are the rested senior players of the England team is expected to be in the middle at the end of this match?

Posted by   on (August 29, 2013, 17:10 GMT)

No Smith, no NCN, no McKay....Aus should have been better served if they had decided to give the Poms a walkover

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (August 29, 2013, 16:24 GMT)

@Jono Makim (post on August 29, 2013, 13:07 GMT): Yup I was fighting a lone battle with my arguments about KP in tests :-) Mostly because people idolised him so much, but lambasted Bell who had a similar average and is usually much more consistent once he hits a purple patch (as just witnessed!). I have conceded several times now though that a good, balanced test side does indeed need some attacking players to up the ante. I said during the Ashes (and before) that whereas England can afford to have a KP in their side (because even when he fails the others dig in and usually make up for it) - Australia did/do not have their balance right and need more Clarke/Hussey-like players as opposed to Warners/Hughes's. Australia is a whole new set of playing conditions however; I may very well be proved wrong again and hence am taking the 3-0 result in this series with a large handful of salt, reasonably fitting as it was...

Posted by Charlie101 on (August 29, 2013, 15:49 GMT)

Love or hate T20 we are playing Australia and that is enough to get the adrenelin moving . The stakes and bragging rights are always high both here and down under and a win is a must.

Posted by ascric on (August 29, 2013, 15:19 GMT)

I hope Starc plays with the ball and not his mouth, Ian Bell and the viewing public are still waiting for a public apology. Its hard for Aussies to hold the moral high ground when there are a few non thinking professionals within the group.

Posted by   on (August 29, 2013, 14:53 GMT)

Steve Back, ladies and gentlemen. Let's all give him a big hand, because he epitomises why England will never win the World Cup in the near future. Keep treating ODIs with contempt, son - lord knows the ODI treats England far worse.

Posted by android_user on (August 29, 2013, 14:41 GMT)

i though m clarke retired from t20is

Posted by android_user on (August 29, 2013, 14:36 GMT)

isnt m clarke retired from t20s if so y is he in the 18 man squad for the t20 series

Posted by JG2704 on (August 29, 2013, 14:27 GMT)

@Deuce03 on (August 29, 2013, 10:13 GMT) I'm sure Eng can't have an issue as he is playing the YB match after the Eng match. But I wonder what would happen if it was the other way around. I wonder if Somerset have any clout on it? Surely Eng can't on one hand say these matches are too important to miss and on the other hand rest a handful of players inc the captain

@jmcilhinney on (August 29, 2013, 12:02 GMT) and even Swann for Tredwell isn't definite. I'd still love to see these 2 in tandem in shorter formats

@Steve Backon (August 29, 2013, 12:43 GMT) Have to say , that despite not seeing eye to eye with you on certain players , I'd have no huge qualms with that side either

@R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (August 29, 2013, 8:26 GMT) Yeah , did mean Warner - I didn't count Haddin as it was a 1st baller

Posted by JG2704 on (August 29, 2013, 14:26 GMT)

@BigB - PS - You've not corrected JMC about his error or maybe the sorce JMC got his facts from was incorrect as I'm sure it wouldn't be you getting it wrong re Hussey

Posted by JG2704 on (August 29, 2013, 14:26 GMT)

@TheBigBoodha - I don't feel confused (with a d on the end - past tense) . I said at the time that Australia definitely deserved to win the 3rd test and that 3-0 flattered England. But the difference is that I also acknowledge when another team has had the better of things. The reality is that England won 1 test (which probably could have gone either way) , won the 2nd convincingly and won the 4th test which could have gone either way. The 3rd test , I concede (and did so at the time) England got very lucky with the weather. Re the final test Australia were on top having a decent 1st inns lead and 1 could argue that they'd have won the test if it had been uninterrupted by rain but then Australia at 147-1 or 168-2 looked to be cruising to a win and look what happened. Just like look what happened in the 1st test when Oz were 9 down and nearly 100 down in the 1st inns and 9 down and 71 runs behind in the 2nd. Surely they should not even have got close in that game

Posted by   on (August 29, 2013, 14:13 GMT)

@Steve Back, I guess we just disagree with the need for England to win T20 matches... i think they are kinda pointless. Play him in the T20 World Cups by all means, as Aus did with M.Hussey, but aside from that they are truly meaningless.

@Brutalanalyst, I guess Lumb must be England's Aaron Finch, gun at domestic level, not up to much when going up to mess with the big boys. I don't know why we persist with Finch or S.Marsh for that matter. If Aus are picking their best it simply must be Warner and Watson to open. If they don't fire then we are cooked because there just isn't anyone of true class in the middle order like we had in Hussey.

Posted by Jaffa79 on (August 29, 2013, 13:59 GMT)

Australia have to won a game at some point right? What is it now? The 5 match Test series, CT game, 4-0 last summer...so do we count the rained off game? 10 or 11 games without a win! Wow...well, we have chosen a reserve team so you do have a chance now at least!

Posted by   on (August 29, 2013, 13:52 GMT)

@Jono Makim: Oh believe me mate, we don't need KP to put bums on seats - fans in the UK will turn up to grounds whoever plays, even if Ken Barrington or Bill Lawry were opening the innings! We DO need him, however, to play T20 for us if we are actually planning to win anything. I think if anyone saw hopeless England scratch their way past poor teams in the last World T20, they would agree that we are doomed without our leading 20/20 batsman. Luke Wright and Ravi Bopara etc just aren't good enough, and nor are England without KP.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (August 29, 2013, 13:38 GMT)

@Shaggy076 on (August 29, 2013, 13:25 GMT), Bresnan is out injured at the moment or else he probably would be. Bell hasn't played any T20 for a while and I don't think Anderson has either so, even if they might be in the best team, they're not being rested.

Posted by BRUTALANALYST on (August 29, 2013, 13:37 GMT)

@ jmcilhinney Lumb was initially carried by Kieswetter and KP in that worldcup and now he is carried by Hales, he is not international class and has no place in any side ahead of Carberry.Lumb averages in the teens after 15 games time for Carbs to have his well deserved shot !

Posted by Shaggy076 on (August 29, 2013, 13:25 GMT)

jmcwhinney; I would have thought Bell, Anderson and Bresnan would also be in your best T20 team.

Posted by mansel on (August 29, 2013, 13:20 GMT)

@Green_and_Gold - you are missing the fact that the Aussie squad is relatively fresh from an action packed Australia A tour in which many players were on fire. Our squad should be primed for a big match.

Posted by   on (August 29, 2013, 13:18 GMT)

I am waiting for the big match excited ...

Posted by   on (August 29, 2013, 13:07 GMT)

@Steve Back, No excuses for KP? Mate if I was a pommy fan there is NO way i'd want him playing T20 for England, he is simply too valuable as a test cricketer to run him into the ground. T20 has only one purpose, to bring cash flow, that is it, not sure England need KP to put bums on seats.

@R_U_4_REAL_NICK, yep I watched that series too, he bowled well and he generally always does but I think Siddle and Harris both bring a lot more over the longer format. I still reckon you are wrong about Warner for tests too and I know you are wrong about KP in that format! (I say this with a smile and I hope you read it that way! Not having a go, just think you have a funny view on the worth of attacking batsmen in test matches)

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (August 29, 2013, 12:49 GMT)

@electric_loco_WAP4 (post on August 29, 2013, 10:59 GMT): very insightful as usual. For such a "boring Ashes series" you certainly have spent a lot of time on these threads gracing us with your excitement of the shorter formats.

Posted by   on (August 29, 2013, 12:43 GMT)

1. Alex Hales 2. Michael Carberry / Michael Lumb 3. Kevin Pietersen - absolute must, no excuses 4. Eoin Morgan, provided he's regained some form 5. Ben Stokes - all rounder, good season with bat 6. James Foster (WK) - must take all chances behind the stumps at all costs, so that rules out Kieswetter or Buttler 7. David Willey - all rounder who has scored runs this season - good pace 8. Tim Bresnan / Graham Napier as a possible punt 9. Stuart Broad (c) 10. James Tredwell / Graeme Swann 11. Steve Finn / Boyd Rankin

Posted by Juiceoftheapple on (August 29, 2013, 12:30 GMT)

Have to say I know very little about 6 of Aus players. England on the other hand look extremely strong all the way down, with plenty of power hitters, I dont mind Bopara in this format due to his bowling, and batting, if someone isnt firing its not as if they hang around and normally hole out so that someone else comes in anyway. People tell me Root can hit the ball fairly hard as well, plus we should be fairly flexible anyway, Root can be a secutiy valve if wickets tumble. With KP our line up would be awesome. Buttler is great and not the polished article (certianly not in ODIs) but why should any of the young lads be the finished batsman, thats just stupid!! Regarding our bowling, I will always support an English player and not get personal, but Dernbach is a guaranteed 10 runs an over bowler at this level and we may lose if he plays. I'd probably play Patel instead and play 2 spinners or an out and out fast, certainly against non subcontinent opposition.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (August 29, 2013, 12:02 GMT)

@BRUTALANALYST on (August 29, 2013, 10:46 GMT), England seem to have settled on Hales and Lumb as an opening pair for T20Is so, if Carberry plays, it is almost certainly not going to be as an opener. He's in the ODI squad too and England are resting both their regular openers there so I wouldn't be surprised to see Carberry open with either KP or Trott in the ODI series. KP has opened before and Trott hasn't but an opening pair of KP and Carberry seems a little bit racy for England.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (August 29, 2013, 11:57 GMT)

@Shaggy076 on (August 29, 2013, 10:38 GMT), actually, England aren't resting a lot of players for the T20Is. For the ODIs, yes, but if England wanted to field their best T20I team then probably the only names to be added to the XI suggested above would be KP and Swann for probably Root and Tredwell.

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (August 29, 2013, 11:43 GMT)

@Jono Makim (post on August 29, 2013, 11:10 GMT): Horses for course mate. I saw Clint McKay bowl here in U.K. during the last ODI series, and not only was he one of the best bowlers from either side, he was getting movement and seam. I really thought he could be a handful in tests here in U.K. only; I have not seen him perform in Aus. and suspect both you and Mitty2 are correct in that in those different conditions he may not be as effective.

I was disappointed with Starc in the tests. He was very promising over here before the series; as jmcilhinney says below, both he [Starc] and Mitchell Johnson seem more effective in the shorter formats and I don't think their test stats matter a jot for such.

Posted by unlocker on (August 29, 2013, 11:26 GMT)

So as I read all comments england is much ahead from Australia .so should win for england ,ok good so that my money goes for England also for women england .what a game will be start today first women then man

Good luck england both side

Posted by   on (August 29, 2013, 11:10 GMT)

@R_U_4_REAL_NICK, R U 4 REAL?! As Mitty said, McKay just aint a test match bowler! What makes him so good at Lim. Overs cricket is his control, but he doesn't extract any movement much, like Starc and MJ he seems to do a lot better when batsman have to try and hit him around. I think Faulkner is the same too. Glad to see Doherty gone, he really bought nothing to the side. Aus bats all the way down to ten without him and to be honest maybe we need to get Cutting or NCN in for McKay so that we can bat down to xi. Would like to see Starc used as a pinch hitter when the spinners come on, the lad can hit them around.

Posted by electric_loco_WAP4 on (August 29, 2013, 10:59 GMT)

The real deal is done with Eng's dad's army sealing the Ashes win with their luck vs a very green ,inexp. Aus team of youngsters - 9'teen' and all other 'teens'! - but now it is time for some excitement and big hits , ugly slogs ,100+ m sixes, stunning catches ,desperate saves and 90+ mph scorching yorkers spreading out the stumps in slog overs .Welcome to the limited overs cricket, with the 20 over version starting today ! And for the ODIs later.Hopefully it will provide all the thrills and spills and edge of the seat excitement that fans expect from the short forms . And even more so after one of the most boring Ashes in recent times with a defensive Eng , dull pitches made for slow cricket and to negate quality fast bowling ,and not least of all weather also that played a part. So, we are ready to see some exciting action .Will history repeat and we see six 6s in an over and who will be batsman this time ?Warner,Watson or Maxvell ? Let's wait and watch !

Posted by BRUTALANALYST on (August 29, 2013, 10:46 GMT)

Joe Root has not even been playing T20 domestically there is no way he will be in the 11 and he's not a T20 player anyway. Carberry has to play there is surely no way they're going to finally call him up and leave him on the bench ! also Rankin will replace Derbach his height wil trouble Warner far more.

Posted by nlight on (August 29, 2013, 10:46 GMT)

Sorry but I just don't understand why they persist with Dernbach. I expect Watson & Warner to take him for 10-12 an over plus wides. I also don't understand why kp isn't even in the squad given that he is the best available in this format.

Posted by Shaggy076 on (August 29, 2013, 10:38 GMT)

Except for the World Cups at T20 Australia have rarely treated the T20's seriously. Thus there ranking of 8 besides placing in the top 4 twice (losing finalist and losing semi finalist) of the only tournament that counts in this format. However, it seems that if this is not there best team it is very close and maybe treating this format a little more seriously. With England resting a lot of players it surely should be time for Australia to notch up a couple of wins.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (August 29, 2013, 10:27 GMT)

@Mitty2 on (August 29, 2013, 9:36 GMT), I think that some people forget that, even when he was at his worst in whites, Mitchell Johnson was still performing well in coloured clothes. I think that one thing in his and Starc's favour is that batsmen don't leave the ball much in limited-overs cricket so even if they're a bit wayward they can be effective because of their pace and swing. Last I saw of Johnson though, he wasn't bowling all that much loose stuff so England would take him lightly at their peril. I also thought that Starc could be a factor before the Ashes but he just a bit too wayward. He still took a number of wickets and bowled some unplayable deliveries. He's a real danger when batsmen are looking to get on with it.

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (August 29, 2013, 10:25 GMT)

@Mitty2: Just missed you mate - that's all. I know and respect you believe McKay is about as good for tests as I do Warner/Hughes (= 0.005% chance of being consistently useful). I'm also not a huge fan of the shorter formats, particularly T20's. Mild short-lasting entertainment, yes; bragging/stats analysis for such a circus Russian roulette format, = zero and pointless.

@TheBigBoodha: Nobody is lambasting alternative opinions; but when people like you post throughout an entire series about pitches only being perfect for batting once England are batting, and bowling conditions only being perfect for bowling once England are bowling... If only pal, if only. I'm yet to see any evidence/statements from Flower/England that they deliberately requested dry turners for Swann; England are notoriously inept at playing spin, and one good series against India didn't convince me otherwise.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (August 29, 2013, 10:19 GMT)

@TheBigBoodha on (August 29, 2013, 9:27 GMT), I don't think that anyone denied that England had some luck along the way but the problem is that that was the only thing you ever commented about throughout the whole Ashes series. You never acknowledged any luck that Australia had and you never acknowledge that England ever did anything well. When people commented that England were below par you scoffed and never acknowledged that the England players had the record to show that they were better than their scores suggested while the Australians simply don't. You seem to assume that the Australians will get better while the English will stay at this level despite their having been better previously. You're entitled to your opinion but it comes across as one-eyed and hypocritical. You're certainly not the only one on both sides but one of the worst I saw this Ashes series. If you can't give the opposition any credit at all then your opinion of your own side can't be taken seriously.

Posted by Deuce03 on (August 29, 2013, 10:13 GMT)

Buttler has been one of the best batsmen in the YB40 this season, so hopefully he can replicate that form for England. Hopefully too he'll be allowed to play back-to-back matches on the 8th and 9th and that won't affect his performance too much, otherwise Somerset (and I) will be rather aggrieved.

Posted by LALITHKURUWITA on (August 29, 2013, 9:55 GMT)

I haven't seen Aussies record like this before. Last 5 matches LLLLL. Highest no of oversees players, I guess 30, are coming from Australia to play in IPL.

Posted by Mitty2 on (August 29, 2013, 9:36 GMT)

Also, after the scarring from the 3-0 defeat, my care factor for the limited overs games are zero. The only thing that would bring me a smile would be: Starc prospering with the white ball after lacking any penetration with the red ball (same goes with Watson - dead rubbers with two debutant bowlers don't count - Hughes doing well (how he only played two tests is baffling - how exactly are Khawaja and Warner better options than him?) and MJ doing well. Johnson dominated the IPL, bowled alright against SA (better than Starc did) and bowled very well against SL. We need his penetration in the bowling line up if Harris is struggling with whatever injuries he has

Posted by Mitty2 on (August 29, 2013, 9:30 GMT)

@R_U_4_REAL_NICK, don't give me that... C'mon

I've never doubted Mckay in the short forms, he didn't win the ODI player of the year for no reason. He's first selected for the ODI team yes, should always be in the t20 side because of his control, but is it so wrong to think it ridiculous for him to be in contention for the test side?? He's not the fittest bloke and not that durable, he lacks the pace, bounce and swing of many other potential quicks, and he doesn't have the youth factor to help him. He would be a poor man's siddle in tests

Posted by TheBigBoodha on (August 29, 2013, 9:27 GMT)

@JG2704, sorry if you feel confuse when somebody posts an alternative opinion, but there's nothing particularly stunning about what I wrote. Are you actually suggesting that England were not very lucky in the test series: setting up dry wickets for Swann - winning three tosses and experiencing dry weather long enough to have two close wins and one big win; then having the two games where it lost the toss and conceded a massive lead to the opposition - and having to bat last - being rained out? This is not lucky?

We certainly see things differently.

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (August 29, 2013, 8:26 GMT)

@JG2704 (post on August 29, 2013, 7:59 GMT): Hi mate - yeah it was the ODI squad I was getting mixed up with; although on saying that, I just heard on the news this morning that Broad was being rested from the T20's too? Hard to keep up with it all and know who to believe...

Poorest SR in second innings last game? Haddin = 0? Guessing you mean Warner... As you know I can't stand the guy in tests; 1 big knock every two series doesn't cut it for me in tests. But he's one of the first names down on my shorter formats' teams; can really go mental if he manages to settle in.

If Clint McKay does well, I'm looking forward to more arguments with Mitty2! Wherefore art thou Mitty?

Posted by PrasPunter on (August 29, 2013, 8:25 GMT)

who cares about the short-forms anyway ? Counts for nothing even if Aus wins all the t20s and ODIs from here. Eng has already got the bigger one !!!

Posted by Tom_Bowler on (August 29, 2013, 8:24 GMT)

Whichever one of Carberry or Lumb play if the Aussies don't immediately get something approximating a spinner on they're fools. Always a lottery element to T20 so it could go either way but however the game turns, and it could be a lot of fun along the way, out its lasting significance is likely to be zero.

Posted by Big-Dog on (August 29, 2013, 8:06 GMT)

Australia are even worse at T20 than Test Matches. If they play numpties like Ahmed & Huges its all over red rover.

Posted by JG2704 on (August 29, 2013, 7:59 GMT)

@R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (August 28, 2013, 14:19 GMT) Jade was always in the squad - maybe you're getting confused with the ODI squads which were more recently named - hard to keep up with it all Re Australia - did you notice who had the poorest SR in the 2nd inns in the last test?

@jmcilhinney on (August 29, 2013, 5:42 GMT) Quite funny seeing who is challenging logic here

@BRUTALANALYST on (August 28, 2013, 14:36 GMT) Carberry has certainly earned his chance although I also rate Lumb.

Posted by JG2704 on (August 29, 2013, 7:58 GMT)

@Steve Back on (August 28, 2013, 14:19 GMT) I'm not sure if Ravi's bowling at the moment as his bowling is really quite good in the shorter formats. However , even with his batting , he actually did ok in the last 50 over CT. I would however only select Ravi if they can get a few overs from him otherwise Stokes or Willey would be better bets. Re Craig - he's had a superb domestic tournament and in 50 over cricket has the best SR of all Eng's established batsmen. I'm not sure they should pick him now because they'd have to play him down the order where he's less effective and I'm all for dropping out of form players. That is provided they are considered when they hit form again. BTW who would your 11 consist of? There seems to be an awful amount of negativity

Posted by   on (August 29, 2013, 7:37 GMT)

I think peterson should be man who can damage Australian bowling lineup

Posted by   on (August 29, 2013, 7:35 GMT)

My Eng team is 1 Alex Hales, 2 Michael Lumb, 3 Kevn peterson (capt) 3 Luke Wright, 4 Eoin Morgan, 6 Ravi Bopara, 7 Jos Buttler (wk), 8 Stuart Broad , 9 Steven Finn, 10 James Tredwell/Swann, 11 James Anderson

My Aus team is 1 David Warner, 2 Shane Watson, 3 Aaron Finch, 4 Michel Clarke (capt), 5 Adam Voges, 6 Glenn Maxwell, 7 Matthew Wade (wk), 8 James Faulkner, 9 Mitchell Johnson, 10 Mitchell Starc, 11 Clint McKay

Posted by   on (August 29, 2013, 6:54 GMT)

Broad is not good skipper,,, he needs to learn from Cook and Clarke,,,,,,

Posted by DylanBrah on (August 29, 2013, 6:44 GMT)

Our (Australia) T20/ODI team doesn't look too bad on paper - it's just about performing well on the day in these short forms.

Posted by chaksiipm on (August 29, 2013, 5:59 GMT)

Its been really shocking that OZ are lacking key players in every format. tough days for oz cricket.

Posted by jackthelad on (August 29, 2013, 5:46 GMT)

In T20, all bets are off; there is not enough time or space to build innings, there is no opportunity for bowlers to find rhythm, there is the necessity to strike hard from the first ball for both batsmen and bowlers, which reduces stroke-play to slogging and bowling to a lottery. The skills of the most beautiful field game ever invented have no room to flourish. Now, this may seem overly negative, and I accept that T20 has bags of excitement and razzamatazz (if you don't expect to see cricket) - the point is, it's pointless predicting a game which by its nature is completely unpredictable. Great fun, but it bears to cricket the same relationship as table football does to the Premier League.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (August 29, 2013, 5:42 GMT)

@TheBigBoodha on (August 29, 2013, 4:25 GMT), um, you what? I think you might want to look back at the scorecards for the last WT20. As a clue, here's Australia's squad listing: http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc-world-twenty20-2012/content/squad/577587.html. There's one guy in there that looks an awful lot like Mike Hussey. Maybe you're thinking of the recent CT. You often sound rather confused so it's understandable.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (August 29, 2013, 5:36 GMT)

@TheBigBoodha on (August 29, 2013, 4:25 GMT), which was of no consequence to you when it was England with the better and more tested team in the Test series. Clearly, if Australia win this game it will be purely because of luck. That's all it was when England beat them 4-0 in their last ODI series. I'm sure you agree.

Posted by anver777 on (August 29, 2013, 4:47 GMT)

I believe nobody is favorites today.... its gonna be a close tussle between two !!!

Posted by espncricinfomobile on (August 29, 2013, 4:40 GMT)

Gonna be a cracker!

Posted by TheBigBoodha on (August 29, 2013, 4:25 GMT)

Not a lot of logic to the headline - England hold the eye because they have a lot of new guys with things to prove. If this logic worked Australia would have won the test series 5-0. T-20s are always a bit of a lottery, but Australia clearly have a better and more tested team on paper.

As for the T-20 World Cup, that's even more weird logic. Australia only did well because of Shane Watson and M Hussey? No, they do well because they had a decent team. Warner, Starc, Bailey and a few others had good tournaments. Mike Hussey would have had a good tournament, only he wasn't playing! But that team wasn't as well-balanced as this one. As for standard T-20 internationals, Australia nearly always uses them for experimentation. This is one of the few times I can remember them putting forward what is close to their strongest team. As that is probably only because they are on tour, and can't change the team much.

Posted by simon_w on (August 29, 2013, 4:01 GMT)

wow, @anton1234, that's a pretty odd comment...

Posted by Aspraso on (August 29, 2013, 3:42 GMT)

Funny guys these Aussies -- they played in India (lost 4-0) but kept focusing on the Ashes -- they played in England the Ashes (lost 3-0) and their focus is on the return Ashes -- now they are playing T20s but their focus is to prep for the return Ashes .

Posted by ToTellUTheTruth on (August 29, 2013, 2:31 GMT)

Where is KP? Is ECB done with him as far as T20s are concerned? I know he retired and then un-retired...but.....

Posted by jmcilhinney on (August 29, 2013, 1:32 GMT)

@draconianguy on (August 28, 2013, 18:58 GMT), that XI may contain 7 bowlers but only four of them are front-liners. Dropping Wright, Root or Bopara probably weakens the batting and Broad's not going anywhere. It remains to be seen whether Dernbach bowls like a front-liner but, assuming he would be the one to go, who would you replace him with?

Posted by   on (August 29, 2013, 0:45 GMT)

For a T-20 match, George Bailey seems to be he weak link in he OZ batting line-up. But he will be in the playing XI, ex-officio!

Posted by   on (August 29, 2013, 0:38 GMT)

England: Here you go again! Turned back to Dernback? Can't you find anyone else? His occasional slow balls used to get wickets. Now they are no more "occasional"! Also, he had been sorted out!

Posted by WonkyBail on (August 29, 2013, 0:13 GMT)

ManThes_P on (August 28, 2013, 18:11 GMT) Wise words you make a lot of sense :)

Posted by   on (August 28, 2013, 22:36 GMT)

How does Dernbach continue to be picked?!? He has single handedly taken promising positions to hopeless ones in 1 over.

I know he's not been picked yet... This is a plea to Ashley Giles, please no Dernbach...

Posted by cloudmess on (August 28, 2013, 22:31 GMT)

Let's see if Australia can beat an England 2nd XI

Posted by GHemrajani on (August 28, 2013, 22:15 GMT)

Stuart Broad and Jade Dernbach are liabilities for the team. Luke Wright isn't good enough either. Australia should win this.

Posted by Ozcricketwriter on (August 28, 2013, 22:10 GMT)

OUT: Finch, Johnson IN: Smith, Fawad Ahmed. Otherwise, I agree with the squad. Smith is in supreme form so should be playing in a format that he is very good at and it is about time we see what Fawad Ahmed can do. England are enormous favourites, as this is Australia's worst format and if Australia can even get close then it will be a huge upset. I don't think that they will but who knows.

Posted by GrindAR on (August 28, 2013, 21:51 GMT)

@BRUTALANALYST: You are asking to put you in ECB unanimous selector position. 60% of people you are replacing, proved they are damn good under pressure. Your wallet is full of promises, no exposure/experience.

Posted by GrindAR on (August 28, 2013, 21:25 GMT)

@Anton1234: Do you follow T20 matches?

Posted by GrindAR on (August 28, 2013, 21:18 GMT)

If Aus play Watto/JF/DM/AF/DW in the XI and when got chance bat first.... you know what I'm talking about

Posted by glance_to_leg on (August 28, 2013, 20:08 GMT)

Willey should certainly be given a chance over either Rankin or Dernbach. Young Topley is a better T20 bowler than either too, and would add an alternative left-handed bowling option; I firmly believe he is one for the future. I still feel sorry for old hands like Napier, Trego, and Stevens who have never been given a proper chance, although maybe they would not be up to it at international level. No one would be worse than the inept Dernbach ... who will probably now prove the star of the tournament and force me to eat my words.

Posted by   on (August 28, 2013, 19:22 GMT)

@anton1234: Kieswetter would be a terrible option in T20. The last world cup showed beyond doubt that for England, when international pressure is on, he is utterly incapable of rotating the strike. Remember his insipid knock against the might of Afghanistan? Blithely blocking 5 balls, an utter waste, then chopping the last one onto his stumps. He does nothing but put pressure onto his partner at the other end. I'd have hated to be Alex Hales in that tournament!

Posted by draconianguy on (August 28, 2013, 18:58 GMT)

"England (possible) 1 Alex Hales, 2 Michael Lumb, 3 Luke Wright, 4 Eoin Morgan, 5 Joe Root, 6 Ravi Bopara, 7 Jos Buttler (wk), 8 Stuart Broad (capt), 9 Steven Finn, 10 James Tredwell, 11 Jade Dernbach "

That's a side with seven bowlers. Wouldn't it be sensible to drop one of them and strengthen the batting a bit?

Posted by Cricfever_PM on (August 28, 2013, 18:11 GMT)

It's really good chance for England's raising starts to show some good colors in T20!! This Eng squad is no where matches to Aus lines ups but they have can so some strength to prove them in international level!!

Posted by CricketingStargazer on (August 28, 2013, 17:55 GMT)

I hear the comment that "this is the worst one day side ever selected by England" almost every series. Despite that, our home record over the last 5 or 6 years has been excellent, both in ODIs and T20.

There are plenty of players in the two squads with a great deal of motivation to suceed. The only way to see if they are good enough is to play them. However, with all due respect to Jade Dernbach, I hope that the selectors play Boyd Rankin ahead of him: Jade Dernbach has had plenty of opportunities and Boyd Rankin definitely deserves to get a few games out of respect.

Posted by anton1234 on (August 28, 2013, 16:53 GMT)

Why Joe Root and Ravi Bopara in the T20 format? While guys like Chris Gayle, Andre Russell quite often strike at 200 or more in increasing number of games, these guys will probably score at 100. I would play Craig Kieswetter over Root and Bopara anytime. I know Jos Buttler is the wicketkeeper, but Kieswetter is easily good enough to play as a batsman in this form.

Posted by Charlie101 on (August 28, 2013, 15:21 GMT)

@ steve west - I think you are being a bit harsh on some of the team / squad . Ravi had a very good CT series both with the ball and the bat - Morgan is right up there in the International T20 stats and is starting to bat well again - Luke Wright has been hitting runs this year - Butler has great potential but has to start to deliver . I agree we have much better options than Dernbach and hopefully he will not play .

Posted by   on (August 28, 2013, 14:45 GMT)

Enjoy your consolation victories in these helter-skelter T20Is and ODIs Australia, for you have a golden opportunity to thump arguably the worst limited-overs side we've ever put out for you. Sajid Mahmood and Liam Plunkett - you are both forgiven.

In Ravi Bopara we have a T20 batsman whose feet are so rooted to the crease that they probably grow out from under it. In Jade Dernbach we have a bowler so hopelessly prodigal he's reportedly caused another worldwide financial crisis. In Luke Wright we have a "fearsome" striker of the ball that plays and misses at 5 in a row, then edges the next one. A couple of fifties, maybe, followed by single figure score followed by single score. In Jos Buttler, we have a wicketkeeper batsman who doesn't keep wicket for his county and nearly averages single figures in ODIs. Bowlers, shrivel in fear and trepidation! In Eoin Morgan, we have an out-of-form Irishman who can't score any runs for Middlesex.

Have fun everybody, enjoy the carnage!

Posted by BRUTALANALYST on (August 28, 2013, 14:40 GMT)

Willey fo Derbach Carberry for Lymb Ballance for Root 100% maybe even Stokes for Ravi Trego for Morgan and you have a much more serious T20 side.

Posted by BRUTALANALYST on (August 28, 2013, 14:36 GMT)

Lumb has never done anything of note for England after his first 15 games he was averaging ynder 20 in the teens, surely it's time for Carberry to play ! Also no way Joe Root should be in the T20 side wouldn't even mkae my T20 A side there's so many better options available to England in this format . . .

Posted by THOR7 on (August 28, 2013, 14:28 GMT)

I wish cricinfo had the "fantasy contest" for the T20s and the ODI formats too... I believe Aussies will make amends in T20s... Their T20 team is better suited for this format than the English lineup... Cant wait to see Clint Mckay rip through the England line up and cant wait to see Aaron Finch blasting a fifty.... Pitch seems to be really good for batting and Aussies will miss the service of a good spinner... England got Tredwell who never lets his side down.. Looking forward for a cracking T20 contest... WISH CRICINFO HAD FANTASY GAME ON FOR THIS FORMAT TOOOO....

Posted by   on (August 28, 2013, 14:27 GMT)

Domestic form has little relevance to international form. It takes time to develop at the international level. Constant rotation based on form is a recipe for disaster. As the old saying goes, class is permanent.

Posted by OZ_CRICKETLOVER on (August 28, 2013, 14:21 GMT)

come on.. aussies !!!! it will be a carnage 4 sure

Posted by   on (August 28, 2013, 14:19 GMT)

And Ravi Bopara? In T20? Give me a break!!! Strike rate of just over 100 is snail's pace in this format even compared to someone like Will Porterfield!

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (August 28, 2013, 14:19 GMT)

I thought Jade Dernbach wasn't even in the squad, so why's he in the possible team?

Be interesting to see if players like Broad can bring their recent good test form into the shorter formats. Conversely, whereas I've spent the summer lambasting players like Warner in the tests (where I still believe he shouldn't feature) - these shorter formats are where players like him can really come into their own and hopefully will excite!

Posted by salazar555 on (August 28, 2013, 14:14 GMT)

What's Dernbach doing there again? He must have something on the selectors to keep getting picked because no one I know thinks he should be anywhere near an England side. He gets smashed all over the park. I don't like to break up the Lumb and Hales partnership at the top so I think Carberry might bat at 3 as I presume they haven't invited a 33 yr old along to carry the drinks.

Posted by Brayde1 on (August 28, 2013, 14:14 GMT)

I highly doubt that Australia will go into the match with only 4 strike bowlers. Matthew Wade generally opens in t20's so I don't know why he would be batting at 7 either. Assuming that was the line up however, Australia have an extremely strong batting line up batting all the way down to 10 with Johnson and Starc. Faulkner is a great t20 bowler as are Johnson and Starc. I don't know how well McKay is suited to this format but he has good variations which is always useful. Australia are in with a good chance taking that team in. They bat very deep with their last recognised batsmen at 8 and the 9 and 10 could almost be considered all rounders. Clint McKay is the only real weak batsmen in the side. The bowlers will have their work cut out for them leaving Maxwell, Watson, Finch or Voges to bowl the extra overs that are left after their strike bowlers have finishes.

Posted by   on (August 28, 2013, 14:11 GMT)

Yeah right! We're an awful T20 Team! Since winning the World T20 in 2010 we've barely done anything of note. Jade Dernbach is just horrible. Someone please send him back to club cricket. Maybe Northwold CC or somewhere like that. Actually no, that would be harsh. On Northwold.

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