West Indies news May 24, 2012

Holding slams WICB for treatment of seniors

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Michael Holding, the commentator and former West Indies fast bowler, has slammed the West Indies Cricket Board (WICB) for its treatment of senior players, including Chris Gayle, Ramnaresh Sarwan and Jerome Taylor, none of whom is in the current Test squad in England.

Gayle has made himself available for the one-day leg of the England tour but his selection will depend on a meeting with the WICB to mop up 'residual matters' relating to their year-long spat. However, Holding wasn't convinced that the board really wants Gayle back in the team because of the lack of clarity on their stand with Gayle.

"He is available, yet the WICB are still putting out press releases saying there are residual matters to be dealt with. What residual matters? It is supposed to be cleared [up], so what residual matter is there now?" Holding told the Jamaica-based SportsMax Cable network. "People responsible for West Indies cricket do not want Chris Gayle in the team."

Gayle, a former captain, hasn't played for West Indies since the World Cup last year. His stand-off with the board began when he made critical comments against them during a radio interview. Since then he has been flourishing as a batsman in Twenty20 leagues across the world, including the IPL. He recently pulled out of his contract with Somerset to make himself available for the one-dayers in England.

Sarwan, a former captain, hasn't played for West Indies since June 2011. He said comments by the head coach Ottis Gibson broke him mentally. He is currently playing for Leicestershire in the English county season and has been in good batting form, hitting two centuries and two fifties. He said the county stint has helped him gain back his confidence, but would not turn down Leicestershire for the moment.

Holding doesn't expect to see Sarwan return to the team in this current climate even if the board wants to settle their differences.

"The man is happy," Holding said. "He is making runs, yes, and he should be in the West Indies team, but he personally is happy where he is. I don't see him leaving that now to go back to a situation where he is going to be unhappy, because he knows he's not wanted. It's the same thing with Chris Gayle."

Taylor, the fast bowler, hasn't played for West Indies since June 2010. Taylor was not named in the preliminary squad for the World Cup last year due to a back injury and the board claimed that he had not maintained his physiotherapy appointments. Taylor said the WICB had not contacted him about his back injury before he left to play in the IPL, and it only did so on April 7, 2011, once he'd arrived in India. The board said Taylor had to play a full season of first-class cricket to be considered for selection, but Holding was critical of their stance. Taylor missed the entire 2011-12 domestic season and his IPL franchise, Pune Warriors, bought out his contract.

"What sort of motivation is that for a young man like that? You rule him out for 2011, against Australia and against England that they are playing now, more than likely he won't be selected again to the team. There's no opportunity to bring him in."

In a separate interview with the Daily Mail, Holding was especially critical of Gibson. "Ottis Gibson needs to understand that the West Indies cricket team is not a boot camp. He needs to learn how to man-manage.

"I have no issue with Ottis trying to get discipline back into the team. But it is the way he has done it. As soon as someone says anything he doesn't particularly like, he doesn't want them around."

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  • on May 27, 2012, 21:35 GMT

    the West Indies always seem to have a problem with the performance of the squad. If at anytime the Bowling "tick" , then the batting fails . Or then it is the other way around .We need a set of "YOUNG MEN" that will listen and do the correct things on the field of play . Most of our top order too "flashy" and look good only for 6 overs or so . This is TEST Cricket we are playing . This section of Cricket (not 20/20 or 50 over game ) is for the TOP TIER of Players .

  • on May 27, 2012, 0:45 GMT

    I ususlly do not agree with holding...but this time he is absolutely correct ,i still wonder that after Narsing deonarine performed so well against the aussies,,,,that he is not in playing and kirk edwards need to go back to basics...gison i think hates guyanese...so he just dumps them...this is the insularity that destroy our game...unfortunately ..it continues

  • on May 26, 2012, 2:47 GMT

    Itotally agree with Micheal Holding, look who is saving our team not Ottis Gibsons young players but the seniors players that are in the team. Listen good west selectors you can not have four batsmen at the top order who bearly have any experience between them . Powell not ready at all Barath and Edwards look lost in England Bravo as good as he is not in any form at all. If want to win bring back back gayle and sarwan, nash Dwayne Bravo and Linday Simmonds and give Sunil Narine a bloody contracy you cant have the best spinner that west indies has produced not playing.. You know what my team would be Gayle and Lindal(Wicket keeper) opening the inning, Sarwan at three, Daren Bravo at four,Shiv at five, samuels at six, Dwane Bravo/ or BNash at sevin, Daren Sammy at eight,Ravi Rampaul at nine, Roach at ten and Sunil Narine or Fidel Edwards at eleven, you have agood option bowlers and you bat right down to nine. Today west Indies did very well Samuels Shiv and sammy well done keep it up.

  • on May 25, 2012, 16:03 GMT

    People sure have a short memory. I suppose the series win against England, winning a Test in South Africa and drawing an away series against Sri Lanka isn't progress? Well all that happened with the likes of Gayle and Sarwan. And Gibson wasn't the coach, John Dyson was. Give my Dyson any day - the man WICB couldn't even be bothered to offer a formal contract to.

  • on May 25, 2012, 15:56 GMT

    T Dilshan Avg 40 in test 35 ODI, I Bell Avg 47.18 in test 34.04 ODI, K Pieterson Avg 48.89 in test 41.84 ODI, Y Khan Avg in test 52.44 in test 32.60 ODI, VVS Laxman Avg 45.97 in test 30.76 ODI, If these batsman are not good i agree R Sarwan is not good but if they are good something wrong because he career is 40.01 in test 43.41 ODI and not in WI setup

  • Vineeth59 on May 25, 2012, 12:14 GMT

    Well Said holding!....If shiv chanderpaul wasn't there...all these test matches would have been ended within 3 days.....so don't boast much about giving fight back....its bcoz of him only....and now we have better bowlers also..not due to any sammy \ottis magic...

  • Silva-Surfa on May 25, 2012, 9:10 GMT

    I don't condone the mindset or the way the Board have gone about their business in regards to the treatment of Seniors, but this decline in the Caribbean has been going on for well over a decade and not just since the appointment of Otis Gibson, as some on here would like to think. I'll never forget when the Windies were humiliated at Sabina Park in 2004, with our superstar players and how did they take the defeat, to go and celebrate in the Red Stripe crowd afterwards. Does that sound like individuals who care about the team? I remember watching several of our "superstar" players practicing in warm-ups, with their hands in their pockets and lounging around like a friendly get-together of beach-cricket. I also recall when our superstars were in England in 2009 and lost the match in 3 days. I don't doubt that we need their experience and talent back in the side, but i've also given three examples as to why their influence in the team is not necessarily the be-all and end-all either.

  • Winsome on May 25, 2012, 9:05 GMT

    Gayle and Sarwan don't make that much difference to the results of the team, especially overseas. This current West Indies team looks like a team, I haven't seen them look like one for the last two or three tours of England. It's especially noticeable in the ground fielding and catching. They look like they really care. That in itself is a real gain for West Indies cricket. Sammy isn't a great cricketer but he at least wants to be skipper, which Gayle never seemed to want to be and Sarwan and Shiv seemed to actually hate.

  • S.h.a.d.a.b on May 25, 2012, 8:25 GMT

    The same way Pakistan wasted their talent like Mohammad Zahid or Asif Mujtaba, a long list can be prepared. Unfortunately, WI team is not one country, its combinaiton of islands. They will take more time to recover but I think there is no chance for reaching past glory in next 10 years. Cricket is not No.1 sports in these islands since late 90s. Their 1st class sportsman doesn t select cricket instead play basketball or football. Its a long debate, will need some space and time to conclude.

  • balooshi on May 25, 2012, 7:43 GMT

    Gibson and Sammy are moulding the West Indian team into a team that plays cricket like the English! This is completely out of character with the natural Caribbean personality - as exemplified by the great Viv Richards, Marshall, Weekes, Kanhai, Sobers, the list is endless. It is as illogical as trying to mold Brazil to play football like the Germans. It is a formula for disaster - and world cricket does not need that. Gibson needs to be replaced by a coach with flair and innovation, a person who understands cricket and one who loves to do it the West Indian way. In this context, both Gibson and Sammy need to be replaced. Sorry to say that Sammy as a cricketer is not good enough to even play in the Lancashire League - although he may be a great trier.

  • on May 27, 2012, 21:35 GMT

    the West Indies always seem to have a problem with the performance of the squad. If at anytime the Bowling "tick" , then the batting fails . Or then it is the other way around .We need a set of "YOUNG MEN" that will listen and do the correct things on the field of play . Most of our top order too "flashy" and look good only for 6 overs or so . This is TEST Cricket we are playing . This section of Cricket (not 20/20 or 50 over game ) is for the TOP TIER of Players .

  • on May 27, 2012, 0:45 GMT

    I ususlly do not agree with holding...but this time he is absolutely correct ,i still wonder that after Narsing deonarine performed so well against the aussies,,,,that he is not in playing and kirk edwards need to go back to basics...gison i think hates guyanese...so he just dumps them...this is the insularity that destroy our game...unfortunately ..it continues

  • on May 26, 2012, 2:47 GMT

    Itotally agree with Micheal Holding, look who is saving our team not Ottis Gibsons young players but the seniors players that are in the team. Listen good west selectors you can not have four batsmen at the top order who bearly have any experience between them . Powell not ready at all Barath and Edwards look lost in England Bravo as good as he is not in any form at all. If want to win bring back back gayle and sarwan, nash Dwayne Bravo and Linday Simmonds and give Sunil Narine a bloody contracy you cant have the best spinner that west indies has produced not playing.. You know what my team would be Gayle and Lindal(Wicket keeper) opening the inning, Sarwan at three, Daren Bravo at four,Shiv at five, samuels at six, Dwane Bravo/ or BNash at sevin, Daren Sammy at eight,Ravi Rampaul at nine, Roach at ten and Sunil Narine or Fidel Edwards at eleven, you have agood option bowlers and you bat right down to nine. Today west Indies did very well Samuels Shiv and sammy well done keep it up.

  • on May 25, 2012, 16:03 GMT

    People sure have a short memory. I suppose the series win against England, winning a Test in South Africa and drawing an away series against Sri Lanka isn't progress? Well all that happened with the likes of Gayle and Sarwan. And Gibson wasn't the coach, John Dyson was. Give my Dyson any day - the man WICB couldn't even be bothered to offer a formal contract to.

  • on May 25, 2012, 15:56 GMT

    T Dilshan Avg 40 in test 35 ODI, I Bell Avg 47.18 in test 34.04 ODI, K Pieterson Avg 48.89 in test 41.84 ODI, Y Khan Avg in test 52.44 in test 32.60 ODI, VVS Laxman Avg 45.97 in test 30.76 ODI, If these batsman are not good i agree R Sarwan is not good but if they are good something wrong because he career is 40.01 in test 43.41 ODI and not in WI setup

  • Vineeth59 on May 25, 2012, 12:14 GMT

    Well Said holding!....If shiv chanderpaul wasn't there...all these test matches would have been ended within 3 days.....so don't boast much about giving fight back....its bcoz of him only....and now we have better bowlers also..not due to any sammy \ottis magic...

  • Silva-Surfa on May 25, 2012, 9:10 GMT

    I don't condone the mindset or the way the Board have gone about their business in regards to the treatment of Seniors, but this decline in the Caribbean has been going on for well over a decade and not just since the appointment of Otis Gibson, as some on here would like to think. I'll never forget when the Windies were humiliated at Sabina Park in 2004, with our superstar players and how did they take the defeat, to go and celebrate in the Red Stripe crowd afterwards. Does that sound like individuals who care about the team? I remember watching several of our "superstar" players practicing in warm-ups, with their hands in their pockets and lounging around like a friendly get-together of beach-cricket. I also recall when our superstars were in England in 2009 and lost the match in 3 days. I don't doubt that we need their experience and talent back in the side, but i've also given three examples as to why their influence in the team is not necessarily the be-all and end-all either.

  • Winsome on May 25, 2012, 9:05 GMT

    Gayle and Sarwan don't make that much difference to the results of the team, especially overseas. This current West Indies team looks like a team, I haven't seen them look like one for the last two or three tours of England. It's especially noticeable in the ground fielding and catching. They look like they really care. That in itself is a real gain for West Indies cricket. Sammy isn't a great cricketer but he at least wants to be skipper, which Gayle never seemed to want to be and Sarwan and Shiv seemed to actually hate.

  • S.h.a.d.a.b on May 25, 2012, 8:25 GMT

    The same way Pakistan wasted their talent like Mohammad Zahid or Asif Mujtaba, a long list can be prepared. Unfortunately, WI team is not one country, its combinaiton of islands. They will take more time to recover but I think there is no chance for reaching past glory in next 10 years. Cricket is not No.1 sports in these islands since late 90s. Their 1st class sportsman doesn t select cricket instead play basketball or football. Its a long debate, will need some space and time to conclude.

  • balooshi on May 25, 2012, 7:43 GMT

    Gibson and Sammy are moulding the West Indian team into a team that plays cricket like the English! This is completely out of character with the natural Caribbean personality - as exemplified by the great Viv Richards, Marshall, Weekes, Kanhai, Sobers, the list is endless. It is as illogical as trying to mold Brazil to play football like the Germans. It is a formula for disaster - and world cricket does not need that. Gibson needs to be replaced by a coach with flair and innovation, a person who understands cricket and one who loves to do it the West Indian way. In this context, both Gibson and Sammy need to be replaced. Sorry to say that Sammy as a cricketer is not good enough to even play in the Lancashire League - although he may be a great trier.

  • on May 25, 2012, 7:06 GMT

    This WI squad has the capabilities to be the world champion atleast in shorter formats provided they play their full strength squad..For me the best 11 in limited overs will be Chris Gayle,Dwayne Smith,Ramnaresh Sarwan,Darren Bravo,Dwayne Bravo,Keiron Pollard, Lindl Simmons, Andre Russel,Jerome Taylor, Kemar Roach, Sunil Narine For Tests Chris Gayle, Adrian Barath, Shiv Chanderpaul, Ramnaresh Sarwan,Darren Bravo, Brendan Nash, Dinesh Ramdin, Fidel Edwards, Kemar Roach, Jerome Taylor, Devendra Bishoo.WI should play Bishoo and Narine alternatively and after few years they will have two best spinners in the world.. The fast bowling pool shuld comprise of Fidel, Roach, Taylor, Best and Gabriel. Sarwan should captain in Tests and Dwayne Bravo in ODIs and T20s.

  • simonviller on May 25, 2012, 5:49 GMT

    It would appear as though every one on this sight knows more about the game and coaching that Sammy or Otis . Frankly speaking ,I don't think so . Just back off the guys and allow them to do the job their way ,because you can do nothing about it at present .

  • FreddyForPrimeMinister on May 25, 2012, 0:00 GMT

    @noplay - in answer to your questions, Chanderpaul is a class batsman; Sammy can't make an average batsman into a world beater. Roach is a class bowler; Sammy can't turn an average bowler into a world beater. I support England but assuming you are West Indian, I respectfully suggest you give Sammy 100% support as that is the very least the man deserves. Sammy himself is no world beater but he never fails to give 100% and his efforts at providing unity within a previously horribly disjointed team are absolutely admirable. Until the WI can find some genuine world beaters to replace him, Mr Sammy should remain as team captain.

  • on May 24, 2012, 23:47 GMT

    i wish more former players like holding would voice the opinion to whats going on with the current state of west indies cricket.west indies should be on top with the current talent in our pool but they treatment they get from the wicb no wonder why the top players are playing overseas.sarwan,gayle,taylor,benn has been dismiss by mr gibson and sarwan was the only one that did not say anything until now.ben and gayle were dismissed immediately from the team.as for mr sammy you serve no purpose in the team and if u were'int captain you would not be in the team.I take ganga over sammy.

  • on May 24, 2012, 22:46 GMT

    Finally a big man stepped up and say something.... Its about time Gibson get it.

  • Guyanese2Dbone on May 24, 2012, 22:15 GMT

    Well said Mr Holding. It's abt time tht u pass legends stand up 2 the wicb n their coach. As 4 those of u who r sayin tht when Gayle, Sarwan etc were inthe team tht they werel loosin, well they still r loosin. If u want 2 say tht they lasted 4 days instead of 2 just take Shivs contribution out of the equation n see wat u r left wit. If u cnt let me make it simple, Shiv batted 4 out of the 5 days of the test match.They only ting NEW ur coach n selectors r doin is makin headlines 4 their STUPIDTY nothing else!

  • johnathonjosephs on May 24, 2012, 22:07 GMT

    Whoa, just read the article again and JEROME TAYLOR is well and not in the squad???? What madness is this??? Seriously, I'm not even joking anymore, what reason would West Indies Cricket Board have for not putting Taylor in the squad? That man is a genuine match winner. I remember when he bowled England for less than 100 in a special match. The man can also bat better than some batsman on the West Indies team. Michael Holding, you tell the WICB that what they are doing is wrong

  • johnathonjosephs on May 24, 2012, 22:04 GMT

    Finally somebody speaks out!!! How can somebody treat Sarwan, Gayle, and Chanders like this? Its literally a sin. Reminds me of how the Lankans treated Attapattu during the 2003 WC and Akram/Inzamam during the 2003 WC. How can you drop people on such failures. At least they are suffering from their mistakes now, Sarwan is making huge hundreds in English Country Cricket. When will my West Indies learn?

  • TropicPleasure on May 24, 2012, 21:58 GMT

    Finally. Someone with a voice, someone with credibility had to say it. I know it'll make no difference to Ernest Hillaire, Otis Gibson and the WICB, but, at least, Holding is on record as saying it. If West Indies cricket wasn't making progress before the introduction of Gibson and Hillaire, it's now going backward. Very fast. We are now back to the days when we played pretty and lost. That was how the English wanted it. The difference now is that the administrators are the ones not only wishing it, but ensuring that it happens. We celebrate losing by repeatedly arguing that, at least we fought. We ignore people with whom we disagree, we refuse to learn how to manage stars and superstars. In the meantime we are the ones burning in the fires of babylon. Thank you Michael Holding. Now let's hear other credible men come out and support you for the sake of West Indies cricket

  • drnaveed on May 24, 2012, 21:17 GMT

    agreed with mr holding.yes, players are not greater than the game , but the board is also not greater than the Country, which here in this case is WI. the team has already suffered a lot after retirement of great players in the past, but their board is also not interested in making a winning combination.a team is made in years.the board should be flexible,and so should be the players in their stances .they both should forget their differences, and work together to make this WI a winning combination once again ...............

  • on May 24, 2012, 19:57 GMT

    Chris Gayle ,Sarwan , Taylor , Narine , Bravo,Nash Pollard,Dwayne Smith These players are not playing for the West Indies.

    This tells us what kind of Coach , Board and Selectors we have

  • Rick777 on May 24, 2012, 19:42 GMT

    I do not know much about WI cricket administration. But from what I have seen for the past 20 years or so, WI cricket have slumped very badly. But now there are some good signs back again. Though I didn't agree with Sammy being captain, he has done some good things for this team. The best guy to captain WI is playing cricket in England. When Lara stepped down after the 2007 WC, Sarwan was given the reigns. But due to an injury in England, Gayle got the captaincy and surprised everyone one in an away test win SA. This made the board to captain him full time.

    Bring Sarwan back as captain. Gayle, Pollard, Naraine, Bravo should be called to play in all formats. WI are huge force for me if they can put things right on track.

    T20 WC 2012 could be the start. Hopefully!!!

  • tan158 on May 24, 2012, 19:37 GMT

    well said MH we need more of the seniors to do the same, its sad to see the state the wicb is in right now,cg should be on the team and they should stop making excuses.

  • Venky_baseball on May 24, 2012, 19:34 GMT

    There is only cure to solving many of this problems - winning. Now, what do you have to do to win matches? To field the best damn team possible. It is not about the manager, it is not much about worrying about the state of mind of the people involved. It is about putting the best talent on the field and demanding excellence and results.

    Who cares if Gayle talked back to Otis Gibson? Is Gayle the best possible opening batsman you can play? Then put him on the field.

    Is Sarwan still a good player and is he better than anyone else at his position? If the answer is no, then dump him. Who cares about what he says or whines about it? If on the other hand if he's good enough take him into the team and make him perform. That would shut his issues, he will be too worried about being able to perform.

    Point really is this. This should be about merit and talent. Because at the end of day, in sports it is about the winning.

  • noplay on May 24, 2012, 19:22 GMT

    Can someone please tell me how Sammy can motivate Chanderpaul to do well and he is having problems doing so with the top order? Can someone tell me how Sammy can motivate Kemar Roach, but he has difficulty motivating the bowlers to bowl out teams twice on a regular basis like they are bowling us out? If I understand that I will give him 100% support

  • cricketdebator on May 24, 2012, 19:13 GMT

    There are two sides to every story Mr. Holding. You have stated yours which is merely filled with your opinion. Now let us hear the other side of the story. Remember your views are not necessarily correct.

  • Cricket_4eva on May 24, 2012, 18:43 GMT

    it seems fans hav gone through a severe case of memory lost? when time after time the likes of gayle srwan etc were in the team and were not consistant with the bat,average in other depts including fielding......This same team of soo called stars hv squandered countless oppertunities, yes they were times they showed momemnts of individual brilliance but that ws about it.......i could recall nt too long ago fans were crying out to giv the up coing young cricketers a chance.

  • SoLucien on May 24, 2012, 18:34 GMT

    I hope we do well tomorrow and the young players get a chance to shine and Chiv does what he does. If we are insisting on playing a captain who contributes little to the team with the bat or ball but is a good person and by all accounts a motivator why dont we use a player who actually understands the tactical side of the game? Tamar Lambert comes to mind, he has captained Jamaica to 5 regional 4 day championships or is that kind of a performance only of note if you in the favoured players category?

  • on May 24, 2012, 18:16 GMT

    Otis Gibson don't want the senior players in the team Gayle, Sarwan & Bravo because when they are in the team their is no place for Sammy. When Sarwan was out of form they were quick to drop him now he is form and in England why they don't recall him.

  • on May 24, 2012, 18:08 GMT

    Good piece Mr Holding I also watch the post 1st test interview with Gower ,Hossain and your self and I must say I learn a lot from that interview about were the COACH CAPTAIN and CEO stand with the senior players. MR Godfrey Peters I think you are wrong on the negative influence they are afraid of how INFLUENTIAL Gayle could be to the other players and Sammy and Gibson will be seen as secondary.

  • yocasi on May 24, 2012, 18:08 GMT

    Ill-discipline brought us to our knees. Andy Roberts, Bennett King, Roger Harper, John Dyson & a host of others lamented the poor attitude of so many Windies stars over the last few years. Now, Mr. Holding is making noises for WICB to once again give free rein to to Gayle & Co. so that the new generation could be polluted.

  • on May 24, 2012, 18:06 GMT

    WI best one-day eleven should include Narine (unplayable in the IPL), Bravo, Gayle, D Smith, and Pollard. Best test 11 should include Narine, Bravo, and Gayle. A good coach learns to bring the best out in his players.

  • on May 24, 2012, 18:01 GMT

    This is a very true article...I agree with holding...being a better cricketer does not seem to help west Indian players to get on the team...being able to follow the coach/wicb appears to be more important than actually performing on the field... should the management team be able to disrupt the livelihod of these young men...I promise you it could not happen in any other industry..

  • Ncnotorious on May 24, 2012, 17:56 GMT

    Finally a respectable person in WI cricket has the guts to say what we have all been saying...not only did they get rid of Sarwan, Gayle and Taylor...they were also forcing Chanderpaul to resign from cricket (chanderpaul said so himself)

  • on May 24, 2012, 17:50 GMT

    For once I am hearing someone with a respected opinion being able to nail one of the most serious issues which is and will continue to affect West Indies cricket. Until somebody from the (head) is prepared to humble themselves and take an intensive look at what matters most, I am afraid that we will continue to factory skilled cricketers for the IPL and elsewhere to the detriment of our collective benefit (West Indies) team. Initially I respected Gibson's approach, but he has now gone full circle in showing that he too does not understand what the Players Union and the entire West Indian cricketing public has been trying to say. Something is however telling me that even if Mr. Ramnarine or the like is given the same post under the current management, that he too would find himself acting like the current coach in order to maintain their job with the board.

  • Rally_Windies on May 24, 2012, 17:44 GMT

    I will never understand how Gibson beat out gus logie for the coaching position ...

    Logie now is Coaching Jamaica .... So strange ...

    Logie won the under 19 WC with west Indies and the ICC champions trophy when he was interim coach for just 1 year .... he took Bermuda to the World Cup which was an almost impossible job that I do not believe any other current coach playing the game can possibly achieve ...

    Yet Gibson is the Coach, and Logie was snubbed ...

    I guess picking 2nd and 3rd class people is in line with Hillare's selection policy.. I mean if the best was always selected for the job, Hillare would not have a job.....

  • on May 24, 2012, 17:44 GMT

    Finally, someone of stature, whose cricket excellence cannot be challenged has called out the West Indian Board for their treatment of Gayle, Sarwan and Taylor. He has also questioned Otis;"man-manage"style. Now, maybe something can be done to stop incompetents on the Board, who hide behindmemos and sanctions. Good on you, Michael Holding. You continue to do service to West Indies. Hopefully some of the pther "greats' will speak up and end this embarassment.

  • miltsee on May 24, 2012, 17:42 GMT

    About one quarter of the recent Australian team went on to the IPL after they beat the West Indies. Why? They had a team with high morale.They chose their priority.They had a sense of duty. They had a working environment that nurtured them not beat them over the head. When will the WICB start considering their senior players? If these players were on the team their rankings would be higher. The fans would feel better. The young players would learn and improve more quickly and solidly. They need to stop fielding there positions in the board room and feel the position of their team.The team is a direct reflection of the WICB's thinking-self serving.

  • on May 24, 2012, 17:34 GMT

    In all fairness,the onus should not be only on W.I.players.The W.I.C.B./coach has to shoulder the majority of the blame due to lack of non-performance by players,you cannot leave out the very best/senior players and continue to hide behind the cloak of rebuilding and expect a bunch of rookies to win matches,in todays' cricket,that simply cannot happen.In a nutshell,both coach and WICB has failed in their endeavours and should be replaced with immediate effect,there is a need for fresh intelligent input at the administrative level if we are to move forward in W.I.cricket. How can you stick with a captain who does not possess the cricketing ability to perform on an international level,nor the ability to inspire.The best captain in the W.I. is the Jamaican captain,he is talented leader,yet we are not even hearing of him being mentioned in the scheme of things,how much longer is this board/coach intend on propping up mediocrity in our cricket at the expense of truly talented players.

  • DamieDan on May 24, 2012, 17:31 GMT

    Holding is talking nothing but nonsense...I'm sure Gayle, Sarwan, Bravo all played in the same team for months and the WI haven't came close to competing as they a re doing now. Bottom Line, if you are not performing, you will be rotated out for another player...should not mean that you are finished but you place is only guaranteed if you are contributing.

  • on May 24, 2012, 17:17 GMT

    being a good or outstanding player DOESN'T translate to being a good coach. Both Viv and (the late) Malcom Marshall had stints in these positions and we still lost miserably.

  • on May 24, 2012, 16:53 GMT

    I agree with Mr. Holding on this. WICB is there because of what players achieve(d) on field and for the country. Protecting their interests and making the cricket team reach great heights for the country shouldn't be ignored for self-interests of the WICB. West Indies should field the best batting/bowling side like years before. Gayle/DwayneBravo/Pollard/AndreRussell/JeromeTaylor/Sarwan all should be in contention for places than getting ignored or sidelined. They get paid in 20-20s because they are valuable and WICB should find avenues to their players in these and also grab them in situations like today.

  • jahbert58 on May 24, 2012, 16:51 GMT

    First hilaire must resigned, he's been the caused of this descension in the west indies team for quite a while. hiring gibson is ok as a coach, but he does not show the same respect as been giving to him. we lack discipline but why can't you work with the senior players. it's never about the coach if the team is doing well your work will speak for it self. so keep your bowlers fit and your batmen capable of running between wicket and leave selecting the players to the selectors. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • on May 24, 2012, 16:48 GMT

    It boggles the mind to think a coach and captain to think that coming second best is excellent.Second place is the first looser.How is it that being in fifth place in the next five years is progress.How can we ever go forward when our plan is to take small steps while the others are taking giant steps? Pomposity should never be a requirement for a position as cach.By the way how has the team improved since the assistant coach David Williams was sacked for who or what,s his name? The heads of state in the region must surely get involved.Your people are hurting

  • on May 24, 2012, 16:37 GMT

    achived absolutely nothing Monty

  • Mayfield on May 24, 2012, 16:24 GMT

    Everyone is beating up on the WICB and Otis Gibson. I wonder if these same people were beating up on the so called stars when they were losing time and time again, while partying in the stands after being defeated. I wonder if some of these same people tried to counsel these talented players, so that they might change their approach to the game. There is not smoke without fire. Sarwan, Gayle, Bravo, Benn, et al, apparently did not take wearing the WI colors seriously. If they did, we would not be in this predicament that we are in right now.The WI had several foreign coaches and they were complaints made about the lack of professionalism, work ethic, dedication to their craft etc., so why is everyone beating up on Otis Gibson. It is apparent that the problems with the team did not start with him. The guy is just rying to clean up the mess he found. The WI with these players were not winning, given all the talent that they have. So what were the causes of this? Was it Gibson or Sammy?

  • Chan1966 on May 24, 2012, 16:17 GMT

    Gibson is the main spoiler of Windies cricket. He should be dropped immediately and should bring a gentleman like Lloyd or Richards ...etc. He tried to axe the best batsman in the side Shiv Chanderpaul. If Chanders reties then it will be the end of windies cricket.The tail enders never support him to get his hundred.

  • Chan1966 on May 24, 2012, 16:09 GMT

    WICB is the worst cricket board in the world at the moment. They destroy the talents of the Caribbean cricketers. If Gayle, Sarwan, Taylor. Russel and Dwane Bravo are in the current team they can win teat matches for them. In the present team only Darren Bravo, Chanders, Sammy, and Roach can be considered as the test cricketers. The first three ( Barath, Powell and Edwards)in the top order are walking wickets.The opposition team just want to get three wickets to win a match. Those are the wickets of Bravo, Chanders and unreliable Samuels.If they can train Roach properly they can see another Marshall in him, no doubt. Gabriel also impressed me. They should drop Powell as he is a useless cricketer. They will never produce great players like Viv Richards, Greenidge. Kallicharran, Haynes ...etc in the future. They have the worst wicket keeper - batsman in the world in Ramdin. He started superbly in Sri Lanka by cracking 56 in his debut test but since then ....??? Coach shud b dropped s

  • on May 24, 2012, 16:06 GMT

    Regarding Sarwan its true he might have been treated harshly but Sarwan was hardly producing any runs for WI in recent times. I think Sarwan was brought back to the team after the WC in the home series against either Ind or Pak(archives should confirm) and helped the team win the two games in the ODI's but again failed to deliver in the tests and thats when he was dropped. Now if a senior deserves a pick on the side he has to STAMP his authority on the side. We have been lossing since god knows with senior players and our seniors are nowhere close to the seniors of the dominant teams. Sarwan in the last couple of years has really underachieved. Even in the CG case. Is 2 months of IPL cricket ideal preparation for a test to slot CG in at this point. A quick 40 is not going to cut it. I consider CG the WI sehwag. Although I would like him to come back but he is NOT and will not be the be all and end all of WI cricket. We have been loosing for years with them. MH is just pure poli-ticking

  • PACERONE on May 24, 2012, 16:03 GMT

    Cie Alexander might be following the wrong Sarwan.Sarwan showed his toughness when he stood up to McGrath and the Australians in Antigua.Further he was rushed back to a game in Sri Lanka from a hospital and nearly won the game for W.I. Some people just write what others tell them.If your coach is an idiot and you have to deal with him every day it wears on you.It is much different against opposing players.

  • legend_963 on May 24, 2012, 16:03 GMT

    there is a big difference between sledging on field and someone who is supposed to be helping you consistently destroying your confidence.

  • essky on May 24, 2012, 16:01 GMT

    Brilliant Holding! Finally someone speaks out against the rubbish taking place. As for anyone saying Sarwan can't handle the sledging, please remember when he turned the table on Mc Grath and Mc Grath lost it. We west Indians like to talk about who mentally tough, and who could handle it, but most can't take the talk themselves, we could give yes, prob the best at giving, but most of us can't take it. You don't kick a man when he's down, and that's what Gibson and co. did to Sars. Poor man-management. A good manager brings out the best in all his players, the mentally strong and the mentally weak, so we shouldn't be critical of Sarwan, it is the coach who really failed.

  • on May 24, 2012, 16:00 GMT

    Mr. Holding I agree with u. 100%. Always speaks farely.

  • on May 24, 2012, 15:59 GMT

    As a fan of Holding, I appreciated his comments. Gayle is responsible for missing out."IPL 1st".. Sarwan however should be our captain, ntn against Sammy. Cricket in the Islands is over because when the best 11 boycott.. they find puppets to fill in.

    Richardson should be included yes!

    Hunte, Gibson must go to restore pride

  • cricPassion2009 on May 24, 2012, 15:55 GMT

    Can anyone enlighten why Narine, Pollard, D Smith, Bravo are being kept out ? Is it some real reason or just technically generated WICB blues ? Thought it was only Gayle and Sarwan facing the grovel or perish routine.

  • on May 24, 2012, 15:47 GMT

    From some of the comments here you would think that the W.Indies should have had a 30 man squad for the test leg rather than the 15. Though Holding is a great WI fast bowler I consider him in this case very biased. Anyone with a reasonable brain knows that Jerome Taylor got injured far too often for his own liking. In Bang, in Aus(breaking down after a couple of deliveries) and his comebacks have been short lived. So what is the problem of saying that the board wants the player to show that he can last the entire season without breaking down.Why didnt he even play in the IPL this year? He has talent but if one is not fit as illustrated by the last test then the talent is useless. What more does Holding want the board to do for Jerome Taylor? Holding has no specifics. He just broadly says:I spoke to so and so and I have the facts. Doesn't the board have its own fact as well. When told that Taylor didn't stick to a rehabilitation programme he just said: I dont' care about that.

  • cricPassion2009 on May 24, 2012, 15:45 GMT

    Good to see someone come out in the open in the interest of WI cricket and cricket in general. Small minds in WICB lack man-management skills, and they want a bunch of yes-men groveling day in and day out. Worse, they've no qualms if good players are kept away for years. And they spread falsehood claiming so and so is not available. Hello, they looked for alternate options only when they knew they were not picked.

    Let's call a spade a spade as former bowling great Mike Holding has done and shunt out small minds that are mismanaging the show.

  • on May 24, 2012, 15:32 GMT

    Who are these guys on the WICB, and why are they allowing their fans to sit through thee mediocre games? When a team is plating a test match you would think that they would want to put their best players out there to represent their country. Evidently, some of these players are not mature enough to realize that if they cannot win a match the least they can do is play for a draw. The WICB needs to understand the if it wasn't for Chanderpaul (the senior) the loses would be more devastating. They need to let go of their ego and play the best team.

  • EdwinD on May 24, 2012, 15:27 GMT

    In a previous related post I stated that the WICB and WI management had no international experience, and part of the issue was jealousy at the entertainment, popularity and talent that Gayle, Sarwan, Taylor and Chanderpaul (can you believe he was asked to retire a year ago) bring. Of course I omitted Gibson's 2 caps and 15 ODIs...

    Nb Shouldn't Sarwan be in the team by default based on his verbal comeback to McGrath's sledge ??!!

    I'm also not sure how Gayle, as an opening batsman is not a 'team' player? Sounds like pseudo-babble from the WICB - surely Gayle's role in the 'team' is to ensure that their batting total is as high as possible....which he does on a regular basis with his T20 exploits...

  • on May 24, 2012, 15:25 GMT

    Indies has lot of talent but my way or highway will not work. I also blame IPL for the fact that players like Keiron and Sunil are not in the team....

  • robert-winworld-cricket-fan on May 24, 2012, 15:23 GMT

    time for sammy to go; he is a good motivator but he cud be used in the dressing room only. my test xi - gayle(vc), barath, bravo, sarwan, chanders,dwayne bravo(c), ramdin(wk),taylor(if fit) roach, rampaul, narine. Top 4 test team in d world.

  • on May 24, 2012, 15:15 GMT

    How true! Ottis Gibson needs to see if he has been fair to the West Indian legacy. Sarvan, Gayle and Taylor are not the only ones to have suffered at his hands. Chanderpaul also had some issues.Gayle did have an attitude and his statements on test cricket were shocking. Discipline is needed. But Gibson's autocracy has hurt the team. We have seen this happening to India under Greg Chappel. Even today a full steam West Indian team could be quite a handful for any team in the world.

  • bsaint on May 24, 2012, 15:14 GMT

    "In Sammy's 16 Tests as captain, West Indies have won 2, lost 6, and drawn 8. That compares favourably with the 17 Tests before Sammy took over the captaincy when they won 1, lost 8 and drew 8. The major improvement has been in bowling. From a bowling average of 44.18 runs per wicket in those 17 Tests, West Indies' bowling average has improved to 33.61 runs per wicket during Sammy's time and you can definitely predict a strong hand of Gibson here. Although any batting improvement has remained insignificant (30.63 before Sammy, 28.96 during Sammy), there is more than a whiff of promise." From the article by Rudy Webster

    Where were the legends of cricket when Hunte was up for re-election? NONE of them challenged him. He won the last time unchallenged. If they felt he was doing such a poor job why did they not put their name in the hat to challenge him?

  • nafzak on May 24, 2012, 15:09 GMT

    Holding is correct about Gibson's lack of management skills. Gibson is a glorified bowling coach. He misread the pitch in the 1st test vs Pak last year. Even the Pak cap't was surprised. Bishoo bowled the more overs than anyone else on the team in his 1st 4 test series & was ICC emerging player of 2011. Gibson & Sammy burned the man out & after one so so match, he's gone. Sars and Gayle are being punished for supporting the WIPA. It was Gibson who had WI playing ODI WC as if it's T/20. He had Shiv lifting weights so much that the man could not lift his bat. Shiv of course, bats too slow for him and so he wanted Shiv to quit. Gibson knows not the difference between Test and ODI or T/20 cricket. Sammy is made into the WICB slave. It was no co-incidence that Sammy skipped the WIPA awards last year even though in was in T&T for a match at the time. It is obvious that Hilaire, Hunte, Gibson & Butts, do not want Sars, Gayle, Taylor & even Shiv in the team.

  • on May 24, 2012, 15:03 GMT

    The last time which some of you talking about when west indies loose to England in two and a half days could have happen to any team touring England and do not accustom to there conditions. It was early May and it was really cold ...i know because i was there, no way that they could have survived in that wet and rainy cold weather with the ball swinging like the way it did, most team would have crumbled with there top players as well. West Indies cricket is now suffering from an egoistic tantrum within its administrators.... It's sad ...sad time.

  • KDoc on May 24, 2012, 15:00 GMT

    I agree with Holding. Everyone has their unique characteristics, thus the Coach and WICB has to manage them uniquely. Not boot people out of the team because of their opinion. Work with them on their deficiencies. Teach them people skills, cricketing skills. Where is Jermaine Lawson? Such a young great talent is wasted by the WICB, when they are short on skilled players. The missing senior players would have made the difference in the Australia and England 2012 series. WICB IS KILLING WI CRICKET with their decisions !!

  • Riderstorm on May 24, 2012, 15:00 GMT

    To put it in simple terms, everybody i.e., seniors like gayle, sarwan, chanderpaul should sit together with current management including WI board, sammy and gibson and talk it out instead of beating around the bush. Because, seniors are asking for respect they deserve which for some reason gibson and co think is unnecessary. If guys like gayle are not playing it is a loss for WI cricket. If gibson and co continue with their autocratic approach, it will be a decently performing second rate team playing international cricket with their stars (who might become popular with international games) will end up in leagues and counties.

  • on May 24, 2012, 14:59 GMT

    some are saying we have those senior and WI still loosing in 3 days, if i remem well, during gayle's final matches, he was the only one apart from chanders who use to be making the runs, if he had half the support that sammys having, sure we would have competed better. WI just never had a balanced team in yrs where everyone if fit and playing well, so obviously we must loose in the manner we did. When the batmen bat, the bowlers were terrible and visa versa.

  • ElBeeDubya on May 24, 2012, 14:54 GMT

    There are two problems here: One is the ARROGANT WICB which can be FULL OF ITSELF. The other is the ARROGANCE of a few players who are FULL OF THEMSELVES.

  • on May 24, 2012, 14:53 GMT

    Micheal Holding is a very outspoken, honest and truthful person. He played his game with ultimate passion. He travelled the world and has interracted with many cricketers, coaches and commentators over the years. He certainly knows what he is talking about. Just listen to his commentaries and you will all understand. I must totally agree with everything he is quoted as saying. Keep it up Micheal. You have admirers and supporters.

  • on May 24, 2012, 14:53 GMT

    Gibson wants to create a culture of fear in the dressing room but expects courage on the field. There's not much chance of intimidating and inspiring at the same time. I don't see Gibson changing, he needs to go.

  • 2.14istherunrate on May 24, 2012, 14:51 GMT

    HOlding sounds as though he knows most of the players in West indies. He has a very high reputation as a broadcaster as well as a player. Everything is now coming out about the West Indian situation. Perhaps this is the beginning of the healing process needed. from a playing point of view gayle, sarwan, taylor plus Bravo snr represent a great deal of skill. While some of the youngsters in the team are talented and will do well, like anyone thrown in at the deep end, there will be a high price in terms of their confidence if they fail too much. test cricket is for men, not boys, and only the best succeed at 19/20. Unfortunately WICB is paranoid so dissent is not tolerated and man management is thin on the ground.

  • on May 24, 2012, 14:45 GMT

    Holding is right on one score. The WICB do not want Gayle. And if they do select him it would be as a result of pressure from the WI fans. I'm of the view that the WICB see the presence of Gayle in the team as having a negative influence. And that they would rather lose without him. I don't share that view. Well as for Sars, his bahaviour is tantamount to that of a spoil kid. What is mentally hurt? Sars is a grown man. The coach tells u s/thing u don't like let him know. He has now closed the door on WI cricket. Well poor Taylor just couldn't resist the lure of the IPL money. Now the WICB didn't call u, why couldn't u call them? I will say one thing, if a player really wants to play for the WI every one will recognize it. It all boils down to LACK OF COMMITMENT. It is not boot camp but neither is it kindergarten school.

  • miltsee on May 24, 2012, 14:42 GMT

    Bravo Mr Holding. It hurts me to see the West Indies playing like a second XI high school team while there are so many shing stars in the international arena-Stars from the West Indies. The board should wake up to the fact that these men need to be respected.

  • noplay on May 24, 2012, 14:41 GMT

    Mikey's comments on mopping up of "residual matters" are logical and cannot be argued with. The FEW comments trying to ridicule him are trivial e.g response to sledging. Do people forget that Sarwan stood up to Glenn McGrath at Kensington and came out the winner? That incident was not the banter about who should be captain and who has played his last match. The reference to Mikey kicking down stumps 32 years ago shows how little the detractors have to say. Being on the field of play with your opponents is one thing. Being hounded by your coach and employers is quite another.

  • figute78 on May 24, 2012, 14:40 GMT

    You have a St. Lucian President A St. Lucian Chairman, and a St. Lucian Captain and a head coach who has never been a head coach before. I think Sammy's attitude is good for West Indian Cricket, but if he was not captain he would not be in this team. The speed of the pack depends on the speed of the leader and please tell me how is he leading?. I have lost respect for Gibson not because of things he have said but for the things he has not said. The evidence presented says that the President is a complete joke, and is stuck in time. Basically, I think that team is on its own and have their separate meetings away from Gibson and Sammy but have decided within them selves to motivate themselves differently.

  • vj3478 on May 24, 2012, 14:36 GMT

    Well said and where were you holding it all these days :).. But the 3 concerned people - Gibson/Sammy/Hillaire - they will not change coz change is beyond their ego! It sounds funny when they Gayle has to fit the hard working group they created. Sammy/Gibson simply doesnt understand that Gayle is a gifted player and he is not like Sammy who has talent in bits n pieces - bowling and batting. Their rule is simple. say adios to seniors, bring in youngsters and play ac their according to their rules!

  • on May 24, 2012, 14:33 GMT

    AFTER ALL THE GAMES SAMMY SAYS WE HAVE IMPROVE WHERE DOWN WARD,WE NEED BATSMEN WHO CAN STAND UP TO JAMES ANDERSON,SWANN, WE NEED POLLARD, BRAVO SUNIL NARINE A GOOD SPIN BOWLER.DO U REMEMBER IN THE DAYS OF LLOYD, GORDON HAYNES R R.HOLDING ,MM.,SIR V.ROBERTS AND THE TEAM WHEN WI MAKE 220-250 RUNS NO TEAM CAN BEAT IT WE HAVE THE BOWLERS TO DIFFEN IT,SO WICB MUST LOOK INTO THEM SELF FIRST,AND REMOVE THE STUMBLIN BLOCK WHICH IS HILLARE,GIBSON AND SAMMY,SAMMY DONT LIKE GAYLE.WATCH WHEN HE IS ASK A QUESTION ABOUT GAYLE HE SPEAK TRUE THE CORNER OF HIS MOUTH. THEY WILL BE GETTING WHITE WASH FROM ENGLAND. THEN THEY CAN SING THIS SONG BACK A YARD

  • on May 24, 2012, 14:32 GMT

    Wi your gov sports minister needs to get involved its time for a major shake up..

  • bharath74 on May 24, 2012, 14:31 GMT

    @ Cie Alexander, How many players are mentally strong like Dhoni,Steve Waugh, Arjun Ranatunga, Imran Khan or Crojne??? not many.. So is Sarwan, that doesnt mean he is weak batsman. Coaches are there to boost confidence not hurt, Plus what can Otis Gibson teach Ram Naresh Sarwan??

  • OzHorse on May 24, 2012, 14:29 GMT

    I think Holding is a bit biased here. Sure the WICB and the coach could have done things better, but the players involved must take a portion of the blame. Gayle, Bravo, Sarwan didn't want to sign WICB contracts, so they could be free to pick and choose when they wanted to play for the Windies. That is NOT acceptable. Either you're IN, or you're OUT. These players are selfish, and they must accept that their decisions have consequences that mean they are not getting picked for the Windies. If they want the T20 money, then they must pay the price that come with that decision. Long term, the WICB and the coach have the right approach. They cannot condone and encourage players to pick and choose what international cricket they play.

  • Montyjoe on May 24, 2012, 14:27 GMT

    Managers and coaches in any sport are respected by players for what they have achieved during their playing careers. Can someone tell me what Otis Gibson has achieved that is noteworthy.

  • on May 24, 2012, 14:20 GMT

    I belive Wi needs new management Wicb - selectors - captain & coach, The team is being held back through poor management. Top players could even have problems producing under the do as i say attitude. The paying public is being cheated out of good cricket. WICB your egos seem to be more important than the production of a good team, and for the coach i dont ever remember reading anything outstanding about you as a cricketer , why dont you do the right thing and resign as coach so that a good experienced coach can be sought. WI cricket has been down too long for the games that Wicb are playing, they need to ship out right away.. Wi good luck..

  • on May 24, 2012, 14:18 GMT

    Where a man lives does not disqualify him from commenting. Michael Holding paid his dues, an exceptional fast bowler who made us proud. This man is involved, he is a commentator/reporter. Otis Gibson prior to his stint coached in a foreign country(UK), he wasn't involved, he was hired. His (Gibson) dismal track record didn't do enough to qualify him to make comments about Greater players than himself, and can never qualify him to criticize Chanderpaul, Gayle, or Sarwan. He is not the best coach we ever had, that statement has no merit. We haven't won anything!! A rainbow is an illusion of light, it does not bring a pot of gold. Be realistic, pick a Captain and coach who can really move the team forward, and as Mikey said manage the players. By the way I think Sammy is a stooge and Gibson is the real captain.

  • derri on May 24, 2012, 14:12 GMT

    Michael Holding is speaking from one side . I have never seen Taylor finish a tour for W I . If i am wrong i stand to be corrected what really beats me is to see inexperience players looking to take the fight but with the experience players they don't pull they wait . W I had a coach from Australia by the name of Bennette King and Sarwan said he was the worst coach he played under . Are the egos of our superstars so big that they are above speaking to ? Mr Holding your outburst sounds very childish .

  • AMOR on May 24, 2012, 14:10 GMT

    It's about time the past West Indian Players speak out. The IPL announcers touch on Gayle problems with WICB all the time. The WI announcers does not mention anything as if every thing is O.K. More past players and political people (e.g Jamaican PM) should speak out and get their boards to act. The WICB is not interested in WI cricket, they are about themselves. As said above, they want to keep WI cricket at the bottom as long as they get what they want and no' back talk'. Common important people of the Caribbean let us get the WI TEAM back to its potential.

  • on May 24, 2012, 14:10 GMT

    One only has to look back at the treatment given to Messers Sobers, Richards, Greenidge, and more recently Brian Lara. Its lie Lepidus in Shakespeare's Julius Caesar. You toil and bring the treasures to the fore and then you are left to graze in the commons.

  • on May 24, 2012, 14:07 GMT

    the west indies board has to get rid of hillarie otis,and sammy .what holding say is right .gibson dont want none of the players to talk back to him he felt that he owns the board and the team .west indies will not be better until they get these guys out. people open u r eyes an look gibson dont want no jamaican on the team because jamaican dont take shit an so is sarwan.look at it sammy cant bat , he has not make a hundred runs against AUSTRALIA he only bowled 4- 5 overs at a time.caption has to stair the ship and,he is not doing that .well said HOLDING ONE OF THE GREATEST THE CRICKET WORLD WILL EVERY SEE.WHICH TEAM EVERY BEAT WI. NONE. UNTIL NOW WITH THESE FOOL SAYING THAT THEY R BOARD ,COACH, AN CAPTION.

  • Divinetouch on May 24, 2012, 13:57 GMT

    Good on ya Mikey,

    All who are happy with the current modus-operndai of West Indies Cricket -almost won but never the less, lost do not share the same passion of cricket champions.

    WI cricket must have a rethink let Sir Gary Sobers, Rohan Kanhai, Andy Roberts be given the reigns to run WI cricket and see the results.

  • on May 24, 2012, 13:56 GMT

    If as a senior player in the team Sarwan lacked the mental toughness to deal with the coach so how will he now be mentally tougher to deal with pressure of captaincy an all the "sledging" associated with the game. All the so called "senior players" only now take their game seriously because they feel that they have something to prove if they are recalled to the team.

  • chicoguapo on May 24, 2012, 13:53 GMT

    Well I thought we supporters were the only ones noticing that the coach backed by the chairman were not bent on selecting the best eleven but only those dont give their opinion or express themselves...quiet or out!!..I agree, if the person is not making runs,or is not team playing, we look to replace them, but look at Gayle, aparently with West Indies is the only place he supposingly "IS NOT A TEAM PLAYER"...I find that hard to believe...not ever phycologist have seen such a split personality before.....we recognise that we need to make some changes to improove our cricket...but these chagnes must be made correctly and by giving all players a chance...When has the top oder performed? Why arent we making Keiron Powell and Adrian Barath know that they have to score to keep their place? Thanks Michael, you a great player have recognise what we have been trying to say for months,....But I think just like we are, you will be ignored..

  • b4u8me2 on May 24, 2012, 13:52 GMT

    Andrew Richardson from Jamaica is now being victimized by the WICB as well. How can the leading fast bowler in the first class competition be overlooked like that. A competition which was dominated by spinners but yet Richardson ended with 26 wickets at a decent average of 20. He was thought to be suitable for WI last tour to England but unsuitable now. He is not even in the West Indies A team!! I think Richardson is being punished for being part of the WI team that boycotted the Bangladesh series in the Caribbean. The WICB is clearly on a mission to punish all of those players and end their career. This is clearly unprofessional. I would like to hear from the selectors why the best fast bowler in the WI first class competition cannot even made the A team.

  • on May 24, 2012, 13:49 GMT

    maybe a 3-0 might bring wicb to they senses on gayle .it time to tell samy a lst in three days and a lost in five days still count as a lost you claiming improvement since we lost on 5th day total nonsense.i want to see the best available team out their not best team that are friends with coachcaptain and board i seeing friendship club comming on board in selection of teams

  • Rising_Edge1234 on May 24, 2012, 13:48 GMT

    Holding is da man. He is an excellent analyst at all forms of the game. I agree with him 100%.

  • Montyjoe on May 24, 2012, 13:47 GMT

    Whenever Holding and Croft speak many people get offended.The truth is that they are both very knowledgeable of what goes on in the WICB and cricket at the highest level.It is time for the WICB ,Gibson and Sammy to face the music.It is clear that Gibson knows nothing about man management.As for Sammy, he knows fully well that with the return of Gayle and Sarwan he would be dropped.This is the reason he protects Gibson.

  • ItsMahi on May 24, 2012, 13:46 GMT

    No doubt West Indies is missing the experience of Gayle & Sarwan, i feel they are far better side if these two guys are included..

  • on May 24, 2012, 13:45 GMT

    Gibson came into the role after a residual role for England. He's gone in there thinking that he can approach the West Indies players as if they were the England team. These guys do not react to that kind of haranguing; sure, have discipline and a big match mentality, but accompany that with an element of an arm around the shoulder. Its no wonder Gibson didn't feature heavily as a player for West Indies, is it - wonder what he'd have brought to the changing room in the presence of Ambrose, Walsh, Lara........

  • Robinb1 on May 24, 2012, 13:45 GMT

    brilliant article by M. Holding.

  • b4u8me2 on May 24, 2012, 13:41 GMT

    How the WICB has treated its players has definately been unprofessional. Take for example how the ECB has dealt with KP's outburst when he was dropped from the ODI squad in 2010. They thought KP was wrong and brought him to the Disciplinary Committee and KP was fined. Gayle, likewise, made comments that upset the Board but he was kept out for a year based on personal egos. Gayle was never brought before a Disciplinary Committee. Can u imagine England sidelining KP for over a year until he apologized? The WICB acted foolishly and maliciously. The test matches are only lasting 5 days because Chanderpaul bats so long. First test he batted over 10hrs. Take that time out had he gotten out cheaply and the match would have ended in 3 days. And please do not forget that Gibson tried to get rid of Chanderpaul.

  • blackie on May 24, 2012, 13:40 GMT

    Every story has more than one side. Gibson, though influential as coach, doesn't control Windies cricket. i would like to hear the reasons why Windies team management aren't keen on having certain players like Gayle, Taylor and Sarwan around. I also want to remind every one that we had the above players and were losing Tests in 3 days etc. I personally would prefer a disciplined, committed team focussed on Windies cricket and being competitive over the indisciplined, selfish, 'stars' in a 'ununified' team which we've had over the last 10 years, giving flashes of brilliance but also losing like amateurs most of the time and to make it worse, always on strike for more of one thing or the other. You as Windies fans can choose which you want but it certainly seems that what we have now is working better for us than what we had before. I certainly am not complaining or craving for any of the 'stars' to come back .

  • TestIP on May 24, 2012, 13:39 GMT

    WELL SAID HOLDING! Who is OTTIS GIBSON? WHO IS DARREN SAMMY? And JULIAN HUNTE...all here to ruin WI cricket. Take a look at the players they have in the team...KIRK EDWARDS? POWELL? these are jokers for batsmen....WI current team cannot beat CANADA team much less compete with the best in the world....and everyone sits here talking about discipline...you need talanted players to win match not discipline players without talents. Darren sammy cannot even bat and has no pace to trouble a good batsman. WI team should have Sarwan, Gayle, Jerome Taylor, Bishoo, Dwayne Bravo, Kiran Pollard....There are so much more talents....why keep pushing the same failures over and over. And after each loss sammy comes out saying, I see progrgess...LOL! Jokes, Time for the former greats to stand up and blast the board!

  • on May 24, 2012, 13:30 GMT

    Finally, after Viv Richards comments Holding is switching on the lights once more to prove to the cricket fans what problems WICB has. Every WI cricket fan wants to see WI win again and fans know they took too long to get back on track. Coaching and mentoring does not mean military like discipline and that is the problem. Selection is another. The team is full of fear. Fear of being one's self affects performance. Then you are displaced. Exactly what happened to Bishoo.

    A WI team with Gayle, Sarwan, Dwayen Bravo, Taylor and Chanderpaul and you fill in the blanks, WI can climb back to the top three or four spot and perhaps number one before Chanderpaul leaves the game.

    Sarwan never had a full chance to prove himself as captain due to injury but he is the more fitting person right now as Gayle will be off and on during the twenty 20 tournaments.

    It will not be easy to drop Sammy. WI can prep two captains for tests and ODI's which will include the likes of Pollard, Russell and the rest

  • on May 24, 2012, 13:28 GMT

    This is the same Holding who kicked the stump outta the ground in 1980? There guys live with blinkers on.

  • cricman007 on May 24, 2012, 13:20 GMT

    It is simplistic to believe that the return of Gayle, Sarwan and Taylor will result in immediate success. These same three players were in the star-studded team that on the last test tour of England lost the first test by 10 wickets in two and a half days and the second test by an innings.Taylor has not represented his country Jamaica in recent history and Sarwan after failing in his last 8 test innings is now making runs on and off in English division 2 cricket. Powell scored 108 against the English Lions but how much could he muster against Anderson and co? Runs in English division 2 cricket can hardly be seen as a compelling resume, especially when Sarwan's failures against stronger division 2 teams have not been highlighted. Gayle is the only player with a real case with regard to his inclusion in the West Indies team. He is better than both Barath and Powell and can be a match winner on his day. I support the call for Chris Gayle to be back in West Indian colours.

  • on May 24, 2012, 13:16 GMT

    f holding ottis is d best coach we hv in a long time

  • on May 24, 2012, 13:14 GMT

    Very well said by Micheal holding. WICB is going into a direction where few people are controling the norms which is not good for future otherwise WI team is fantastic to give tough time to any time at any ground. very sad!!!

  • baranasai on May 24, 2012, 13:04 GMT

    I think WICB should forget what evr has happened -try to start a fresh and Move on with Players like Gayle Sarwan Taylor etc. Any team in the world will be very Happy to Take Chris on Board-Including England if it is a plausibility. It will be a real honor to have a player of his caliber playing for them. I really do not know why The WICB is playing this childish game- whatever is West indies team is deprived of the services of such great players as it is a great loss for the sport.They are not druggies or cheated or involved in betting .Why Chris has to suffer like this WICB really should take him back without any conditions.Only time will tell what a loss is for WI team to lose the services of such great players like Gayle. What does Sir Viv or Mr Lloyd think about this.or the later captains?

  • CricketMaan on May 24, 2012, 12:52 GMT

    Holding lives comfortably in England and all he does is praise ECB and critize WICB or BCCI. I'm no one to critize this Legend, neither to comment on Gayle or Sarwan. But Ottis is doing what Holding could not. Holding withdrew from WICB due to personal differences. There is an old saying 'if you want to change something then be part of the change' rather than being outside and criticizing. So why point fingers at someone who is atleast trying with a troubled Windies team rather when he himself could do nothignt to arrest the downtrend.

  • on May 24, 2012, 12:52 GMT

    Very well said sir, former stars like Holding need to raise their hand to make the WICB realize that they are not above West Indies cricket. Gayle said something against them, that does not mean he can't play for a year. Players like Sarwan,Taylor and Gayle are the talents that can't be thrown away. The whole WICB board must be dissolved and raised again.

  • on May 24, 2012, 12:51 GMT

    Well said. But this is well known to all in the Caribbean, including the WICB and the current chairman, but they are encouraging this sort of "power" by a coach, who controls the selection of the team, and every day to day management of the team and the Board. He is NOT qualify to be a coach in my books. The record speaks for itself. Imagine you are welcoming back the best batsman in the Caribbean who plays more cricket than any of the present West Indian' player, and telling him to get with the program or else........ . Both the present captain and so call coach should get with the program, or else..........

  • rkannancrown on May 24, 2012, 12:51 GMT

    Holding has hit the nail on the head. West Indiea has enough talented players to be one of the best in the world but WICB appears determined to keep them near the bottom. How can Gayle and Sarwan be out of a team that is struggling to score runs ?

  • indian_wi_fan on May 24, 2012, 12:50 GMT

    Now everybody understands what WICB's intentions are.Had there been any doubt about the intension of WICB it would have happened only one senior player but now it is spreading with all Sr. players and still the incapable officials are shamelessly ruling the dynasty and WI is allowing it. WI is emerging this is the right time to write officials off from the picture and bring back some honest apolitical cricket lovers instead. None of the cricketers of any country but WI prefer playing IPL than national team (if some body doesn't get selected is different).

  • kingofwessex on May 24, 2012, 12:49 GMT

    Gayle, Bravo, Sarwan, Chanderpaul, Pollard, Samuels, Baugh, Shillingford/Rampaul, Taylor, Roach and Narine. England would think twice when faced with a team like that.

    The West Indies have the talent! They have the players! In every department! It's all about man management, governance and leadership. I firmly believe the responsibility lies with the WICB (for crap governance and infighting), the ICC (for crap scheduling) and the current coaching staff (for despite the reasoning, are depriving the paying public of seeing their favourite players).

    Shame on you all. History will mark you all down as guilty for this sorry state of affairs.

  • on May 24, 2012, 12:49 GMT

    "I have no issue with Ottis trying to get discipline back into the team. But it is the way he has done it. As soon as someone says anything he doesn't particularly like, he doesn't want them around." ~ Well said Michael Holding.

    In addition, Otis Gibson is an UNPROVEN Head Coach and he does not possess expert knowledge of cricketing skills as his record as a player will confirm. As such, using Otis's "do as I say" management style is highly inappropriate. This management style only works when in emergency situations AND one possesses expert knowledge. WICB needs to hire a world class PROVEN Head Coach when Gibson contract expires.

  • SoLucien on May 24, 2012, 12:47 GMT

    The WICB seems to be on a campaign to punish those players in the region who they do not find favour with. I was a bit puzzled as to why Tino Best was chosen when the top seam bowler in the recently concluded 4 day regional championship was Andrew Richardson. He has taken 26 wickets in 8 matches @17.92 apiece. Best's record was 17 wickets @20.17 apiece. Are we about picking the best side of available players or just those players we like? Whats the point of the regional championships then? I doubt anyone in the current management setup could successfully manage a kiddy cricket team. Our actions (the ppl of the region included) have contributed to diminishing the value of the game. Would you want your youngster aspiring to play cricket in the given the treatment meted to past and current players?

  • BnH1985Fan on May 24, 2012, 12:46 GMT

    Both Gayle and WICB are at fault based on reports we have read. But it appears Gayle has come around to realize he can contribute to the WI team at a time when that is badly needed. WICB needs to come around as well. Both parties should remember that ultimately it is the fans who suffer. The recently concluded first test was 'close' given the team WI fielded. Like many WI fans, I can't help think that with key players like Gayle and Sarwan, the match would have been even closer, with a possibly a result in WI favor. Let bygones be bygones and let's think about what is good for WI cricket!

  • bddhika_harindat on May 24, 2012, 12:45 GMT

    Totally agree with Mr.Holding's criticism about the current situation within WI cricket board and the team manegement. It's been proved that they do not want people in the team those who've criticized the crircket administration. But would that be the solution for the betterment of WI cricket if they continue to do the same unless the administrators accpet their probelms and work on a mutually agreeble solutions for both players and cricket loving public in WI.

    WI will not be able come out of this situation for another decade if they continue to follow same attitude towards those good players and they should understand their playing time is short and younger players will not have a chance to play with them to be groomed as good players.

  • on May 24, 2012, 12:41 GMT

    In commentary during the first test, Holding, when asked about Suleiman Benn, said he wasn't aware of any injury or any particular reason why he was suddenly dropped. There's clear favouritism in the Gibson-Sammy camp, and they're only getting by because they're able to make the Windies play with heart - which, for whatever reasons, their predecessors weren't able to do.

  • on May 24, 2012, 12:35 GMT

    At last somebody saying something that Mr Gibson might listen to!

  • ramps_wi on May 24, 2012, 12:29 GMT

    Thank you Mr Holding.....u should be president

  • Rickb on May 24, 2012, 12:24 GMT

    I agree with what Mr holding is saying there and i real hope all these drama ends soon for the betterment of WI cricket. Gayle, Sarwan & Taylor will not make WI win but i will help the team mixing experience with youth. Hope they all come back.

  • on May 24, 2012, 12:23 GMT

    I totally agree with Micheal Holding says. WICB is an irresponsible board with inflated ego and regional rivalries. There is no excuse for then to exclude Chris Gayle and Ramnaresh Sarwan their 2 world class batsmen. Only Chandrapal is a class batsman in their line up. To exclude players of the caliber of Gayle and Sarwan is criminal.

    WICB are known for high handedness and I am their keen follower for the last six decades. They ruined Roy Gilchrist, who could have formed a great bowling partnership with Wesley Hall. Gichrist was lost after 1958-59 tour of India. The later pair of Hall and Griffith were no doubt as potent but Griffith with suspect action did not add luster to WI cricket

  • on May 24, 2012, 12:21 GMT

    I SUPPORT U MIKEY BUT U FORGET BRENDON NASH HE TO HAS BEEN TREATED BADLY WEST INDIES BOARD IS DESTROYING OUR CRICKET WITH GAYLE, NASH, SARWAN, TAYLOR IN THIS TEAM WE COULD BEAT ANY TEAM IN THE WORLD NASH AND SARWAN IS DOING WELL IN ENGLAND AND THE BOARD IS PASSING A BLIND EYE ON THESE PERFORMANCES I READ SARWAN ARTICLE AND I KNEW HOW HE FELT WITH STATEMENT MADE BY GIBSON I THINK IF THE BOARD WANT OUR CRICKET TO MOVE FORWARD ALL THESE PETTY ISS UES SHOULD TRASH OUT.

  • Honestcricket on May 24, 2012, 12:14 GMT

    This can be summed in one word " PATHETIC" . Such wonderful team WI creating some great cricketers like Gary Sobers , Viv Richards , Clive Lloyd , M Holding , Andy Roberts, Brian Lara to name a few, has reached this stage . Chris Gayle is great player of this era and all irrespective of nationality want to watch him playing. Why WI is not able to sort this out and mould a good team . Please for GOD's sake keep the egoism out of the decision making process . I am sure people of this world who love cricket want to watch Chris Gayle playing for some more years.

  • 777aditya on May 24, 2012, 12:06 GMT

    really unfortunate series of events these - when will the WICB understand that Chris Gayle is the best batsmen they have had since Brian Lara?!

  • on May 24, 2012, 12:06 GMT

    i feel very bad to see west indian team in this sort of state. People like gayle and sarwan are a huge asset to the team and bowlers like taylor cannot be found very easily. they are top class performers and all these politics by the coach and the board should be stopped and i am hoping to see caribean cricket back on track!!

  • on May 24, 2012, 12:04 GMT

    West Indian cricket is full of politics despite the positive spirit of Darren Sammy. Bring all 3 of them back into the side then you would have a team that can at least compete with the top teams. This is how you mismanage a team, they should take a leaf out of Aus, Eng and SA board's books. Pakistan was also a team riddled with off field politics but at least their players are producing results and not being distracted by the off field drama. Certainly no one would want to play for WI if they are treated like that. Gayle, Sarwan and Taylor have the right to feel mistreated and their replacements are doing not that well.

  • on May 24, 2012, 12:02 GMT

    So many others are missing as well. Like Pollard , Bravo , Sunil Narine.

  • Goodfellow on May 24, 2012, 11:59 GMT

    Holding is absolutely right. I have said before that until the WICB is completely overhauled and the players, especially the senior players, are treated with respect, cricket in the West Indies and the WI cricket team will continue down a downward spiral. The people of the West Indies and their political leaders need to take serious actions to overhaul WI cricket starting with the WICB. It is sad and disheartening to watch the WICB destroy cricket in the West Indies and West Indians sit on the sidelines and only complain.

  • Stark62 on May 24, 2012, 11:58 GMT

    Thank you Mr. Holding, THANK YOU!!

  • Burbon on May 24, 2012, 11:56 GMT

    FINALLY!!! A voice of reasoning ... I thought it was just a few of us that knew that Otis is running a boot camp. I just knew this residual nonsense by the board was just that "nonsense". They really don't want those senior guys back hence Otis and his army will continue to struggle to win games.Its only a matter of of time before Sammy runs out of excuses at press conferences on why they can't win after being in the position to do so.

  • Erebus26 on May 24, 2012, 11:54 GMT

    Mikey bowls another snorter at the WICB and he's spot on to be honest.

  • mar2000 on May 24, 2012, 11:53 GMT

    Sarwan is "crying the blues" just like former WI player Carl Hooper . All the WICB was asking of the two batsmen was, please make some runs , please add to the total so we can put up a fight . Both made the statement that they were happy with the "ENGLISH" team for which they repersent and not happy with the WI , so if that is the case then stay where you are .

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  • mar2000 on May 24, 2012, 11:53 GMT

    Sarwan is "crying the blues" just like former WI player Carl Hooper . All the WICB was asking of the two batsmen was, please make some runs , please add to the total so we can put up a fight . Both made the statement that they were happy with the "ENGLISH" team for which they repersent and not happy with the WI , so if that is the case then stay where you are .

  • Erebus26 on May 24, 2012, 11:54 GMT

    Mikey bowls another snorter at the WICB and he's spot on to be honest.

  • Burbon on May 24, 2012, 11:56 GMT

    FINALLY!!! A voice of reasoning ... I thought it was just a few of us that knew that Otis is running a boot camp. I just knew this residual nonsense by the board was just that "nonsense". They really don't want those senior guys back hence Otis and his army will continue to struggle to win games.Its only a matter of of time before Sammy runs out of excuses at press conferences on why they can't win after being in the position to do so.

  • Stark62 on May 24, 2012, 11:58 GMT

    Thank you Mr. Holding, THANK YOU!!

  • Goodfellow on May 24, 2012, 11:59 GMT

    Holding is absolutely right. I have said before that until the WICB is completely overhauled and the players, especially the senior players, are treated with respect, cricket in the West Indies and the WI cricket team will continue down a downward spiral. The people of the West Indies and their political leaders need to take serious actions to overhaul WI cricket starting with the WICB. It is sad and disheartening to watch the WICB destroy cricket in the West Indies and West Indians sit on the sidelines and only complain.

  • on May 24, 2012, 12:02 GMT

    So many others are missing as well. Like Pollard , Bravo , Sunil Narine.

  • on May 24, 2012, 12:04 GMT

    West Indian cricket is full of politics despite the positive spirit of Darren Sammy. Bring all 3 of them back into the side then you would have a team that can at least compete with the top teams. This is how you mismanage a team, they should take a leaf out of Aus, Eng and SA board's books. Pakistan was also a team riddled with off field politics but at least their players are producing results and not being distracted by the off field drama. Certainly no one would want to play for WI if they are treated like that. Gayle, Sarwan and Taylor have the right to feel mistreated and their replacements are doing not that well.

  • on May 24, 2012, 12:06 GMT

    i feel very bad to see west indian team in this sort of state. People like gayle and sarwan are a huge asset to the team and bowlers like taylor cannot be found very easily. they are top class performers and all these politics by the coach and the board should be stopped and i am hoping to see caribean cricket back on track!!

  • 777aditya on May 24, 2012, 12:06 GMT

    really unfortunate series of events these - when will the WICB understand that Chris Gayle is the best batsmen they have had since Brian Lara?!

  • Honestcricket on May 24, 2012, 12:14 GMT

    This can be summed in one word " PATHETIC" . Such wonderful team WI creating some great cricketers like Gary Sobers , Viv Richards , Clive Lloyd , M Holding , Andy Roberts, Brian Lara to name a few, has reached this stage . Chris Gayle is great player of this era and all irrespective of nationality want to watch him playing. Why WI is not able to sort this out and mould a good team . Please for GOD's sake keep the egoism out of the decision making process . I am sure people of this world who love cricket want to watch Chris Gayle playing for some more years.