West Indies news August 29, 2014

Give Lloyd free rein - Greenidge

ESPNcricinfo staff

Former West Indies batsman Gordon Greenidge has urged the West Indies cricket set-up to refrain from judging Clive Lloyd, the new convener of the selection panel, on short-term results. Greenidge also wanted Lloyd to be given the liberty to establish his methods, to help improve the performance of the West Indies team.

Lloyd was appointed head of the selection panel earlier this month on a two-year contract along with former fast bowlers Courtney Walsh and Eldine Baptiste who replaced Clyde Butts and Robert Haynes as selectors. Comparing the situation in the West Indies to the football club, Manchester United, which have been struggling since the departure of long-time manager Sir Alex Ferguson, Greenidge stressed that Lloyd would need time to transfer his inputs to the team.

"It is a bit like what's happening at Manchester United," Greenidge told Reuters. "Everyone's expecting the new managers there to just pick up where Alex Ferguson left off - that's impossible. The new man needs to transfer a serious input of his thinking to his team and the way he wants them to go. He needs to build a team and explain how he wants them to go forward.

"It's the same thing with Clive Lloyd. Unfortunately his job will be measured in terms of how successful the West Indies team is, that's always been the case, but I think a change around is necessary and he needs to do that straight away."

Llyod recently said that his main focus as a chief selector would be to "harness talent from the regional Under-19 tournaments" by using the High Performance Centre in Barbados to instill skills and retain them in West Indies cricket. He had also stated that former players would be brought in to fulfill different roles. Greenidge, who played 59 Tests and 57 ODIs under Lloyd's leadership, hoped the former West Indies captain would be appreciated by the board and given the resources he needed.

"The powers-that-be need to accept Clive, appreciate him and look upon him as the person he is, someone who can get the job done," Greenidge said. "I feel in recent times there has been a lot of disrespect shown to players who have played in the past and there has been more dictatorial behaviour happening around cricket in the Caribbean.

"I haven't been involved for a while which is a damned shame because a lot of players who played in the past have got so much to contribute and have not been given a chance to do so.

"I just hope they recognise Clive's contribution to the West Indies and give him the necessary tools to work with. I don't see a problem at all with Clive but it may be a problem with the people he's working with or the people he reports to."

The West Indies side has also had to cope with the departure of coach Ottis Gibson, who parted ways with the WICB before the ODI series against Bangladesh. Greenidge stressed that the board would have be patient with the new coach in the task of uniting the team.

"People are going to expect the new coach to bring an immediate turnaround and I don't think that's going to be possible," he said. "It's going to take time for whoever takes over. I just hope that whoever it is can mould the group into a better fighting unit. It's been very fragmented over the years and hopefully the new coach can make a difference and we can get away from the insular thinking."

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  • harvey on August 31, 2014, 1:42 GMT

    Great to see Lloyd in charge. Wish Greenidge had a part too. I would suggest though based on the continued selection of Shillingford that not much has changed. He was given a central contract before he was tested, and now that he cannot bowl the doosra, he's really predictable. But they gave him contract even though he was being tested at the same time (correct me if i am wrong) so they see dollars and cents only, not what is good for our cricket- hence the validity of Gordon's comments.

  • Dummy4 on August 30, 2014, 14:13 GMT

    I wish Lloyd could implement what he did as a captain. Identify 6 - 8 tall Carribean fast bowlers who would terrorize batsmen on any surface. We would love to see the days when tall Carribean fast bowlers never gave any deliveries of a drivable length.. if he can do that, West Indies cricket would be a great team to watch. Greenidge is right. Give Lloyd time and one is sure he would identify such talent.

  • Dummy4 on August 30, 2014, 4:37 GMT

    We saw the greatness of Clive Lloyd as Captain. I saw him at close quarters during West Indies tour of India in 1983-84.A captain who just moved from Ist slip at one end to the Ist slip at he other end. All communication with he bowlers was left to Viv Richards and Gorden Greenidge.It was a heavily talented team with 6 great batsmen who would get into any world 11 and 4 great fast bowlers .If there was a new entrant like Richardson or Logie in batting or Winston davis/Courtney Walsh in bowling, they also strived to reach the set high performance levels.In the midst of all this we all knew who is the boss on the field.Hope he does the same as the head of the selection panel.Probably the best captain ever

  • Oneil on August 30, 2014, 4:14 GMT

    I almost forgot happy birthday Clive Lloyd:)

  • Dummy4 on August 30, 2014, 2:46 GMT

    TEST squad SIMMONS ,gayle ,SARWAN ,DM Bravo, Chanderpaur ,ramdin , blackwood,k braitwait,S Narine , shilinford, taylor , holder, K roach . what sarwan do in test cricket cause him to be out YEA he fail a couple of games . his record told me that contribute alot most majority current players. why the cant give L Simmons a knock in test since he has been the most consistence in WI OVER A YEAR NOW.

  • Dummy4 on August 30, 2014, 2:25 GMT

    I am hopping that the next WI coach would take the west indies team to the require level. WI players need to take the cricket very seriously even though there are in a strong position. SELECTORS should focus on the regional UNDER 19 PLAYERS because i strongly believe there r the one's HAS A BETTER CHANCE of making west indies supporters PROUD. The body language of some WI players while playing give me no sign of hope even though the trample BANGLADESH in the last ODI series . FINALLY WHY WICB TAKE INTERNATIONAL CRICKET SO OFTEN TO COUNTRIES WHICH POORLY SUPPORT WI, there stadiums r actually empty.

  • Stanley A on August 30, 2014, 1:28 GMT

    Tell me which one of these current WI players had the audacity, the shameless boldness, to say he is as good as Sobers. I do not believe anyone of them, including Shiv, could say such a thing (I do not believe Shiv would say such a thing). That is utter blasphemy, total sacrilege, complete disrespect for the talent, achievements, reputation, and high standing of the man who not only is the best cricketer the game has ever (and will ever see), but, in my book, the best batsman the game has ever seen,"Bradman notwithstanding," to quote the words of the great Sir Everton Weekes, a man who himself would get a few votes as the best batsman the game has ever see. None of these current players, Shiv excepted, could even, to quote the words of the great boxer Larry Holmes, said about Rocky Marciano, "carry Sobers's jock strap." Yes, Lloyd should be given carte blanche to do what is necessary to revive our dead fortunes. Stanley A George

  • Dummy4 on August 30, 2014, 1:05 GMT

    I am reading here, these comments and realizing that the same problem with the West indies team is the same problem with the people who has the opportunity to write ..DISCIPLINE. I may not see every game but the ones that I've seen played by other countries and regions , the players are committed to the games. Apart from the ones that are trying to gain recognition, players seem to love to play for their teams, I don't get that from our West Indies. Guys go to bat and its all about me , if I feel good then I play good , if they don't like what's going on then it doesn't matter if they score double figures they still get paid. my latest observation , the one day captain does not like the T20 captain, prove me wrong. Some TT players don't care about the Guyanese, and the Jamaican are always we are the best, BREAK DOWN THESE WALLS and we will win again, that's why we need CLIVE LLOYD.

  • Stanley A on August 29, 2014, 23:43 GMT

    As a leopard cannot change its spots, so, too, the WI Board cannot change its behavior. History is replete with the shabby treatment that the Board has meted out to countless WI players, not the least of which has been the great, incomparable, cricketing immortal Sir Garfield Sobers, still unmatched in my book. The Board has had a one track mind for at least 75 years now. You would think that it is written into the constitution of the WICB for it to be unfair, short-sighted, incompetent, injudicious, uninsightful, uninspiring, shortsighted, downright lacking in cricket acumen, making the wrong choices, and downright nasty to current and former WI cricketers. Once has to wonder if the Board is capable of doing things any differently. We all would love to see it but no one, I am sure, will count on it. It is hard to believe that there were hardly any former cricketers, good, great, or just fair, who could have helped WI cricket. Stanley A George III, Esq, Unique Sports Agency, Brooklyn

  • Dummy4 on August 29, 2014, 21:36 GMT

    Again, not LLoyd, and all the WI greats can revive WI cricket. a dozen coaches could not do it, nor 1000 coaches...It is not a coaching issue...the problem with WI cricket is that we wait for players to get to the national teams to TEACH them what is required at the International level. Regional players are clueless about the basic requirements at the highest level. LLoyd can only SELECT FROM A POOL of players that is presented to him. That pool is unprepared--intellectually, psychologically, emotionally, socially. Our players MUST know the science of why the ball swings, why we shine it etc. etc...

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