Zimbabwe Triangular Series 2014 August 4, 2014

Lyon back in Australia's ODI squad

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Coverdale: Selectors will want to get a look at Lyon before World Cup

Offspinner Nathan Lyon has gone from Test specialist to World Cup contender after being named in Australia's squad for the one-day tri-series in Zimbabwe later this month. Lyon has been included alongside allrounders Mitchell Marsh and Ben Cutting in the 14-man squad, while fast bowler Kane Richardson has also been recalled after playing his only ODI in January 2013.

Surprisingly, there was no room for Phillip Hughes, who last Tuesday became the first Australian ever to score a double-century in a List A match when he made an unbeaten 202 for Australia A in Darwin. Hughes had seemed the most likely replacement for David Warner, who will not make the tour as he prepares for the birth of his first child in Sydney.

Instead, the selectors went for a group heavy on all-round options rather than specialist batsmen, with Aaron Finch and Shane Watson the most likely opening combination. Steven Smith was also included, having played only two ODIs in the past two years as he, like Lyon, found himself more or less playing the role of a Test specialist.

Lyon's only two one-day international appearances came in early 2012, when he played against Sri Lanka in Adelaide and against West Indies in Kingston. However, he first emerged domestically as a Twenty20 bowler and the new chairman of selectors, Rod Marsh, said he was keen to see what Lyon could bring to the one-day side.

"Nathan has done very well in Test match cricket," Marsh said. "He first came under notice in T20 cricket, he's bowled well in last year's Ryobi Cup and I guess the unlucky one there is Xavier Doherty. But having said that we know exactly what Xavier is capable of. We're not 100% sure of what Nathan is capable of seeing as his last ODI for Australia was in the West Indies and that's a couple of years back now.

"We want to give him another opportunity before we even start talking too much about the upcoming World Cup. It's not to say that Doherty won't be in that squad but we just want to have a look at Nathan on top of some pretty good Test match form."

Lyon is the only specialist spinner in the squad, with Glenn Maxwell and Smith available as back-up options. The fast-bowling group is dominated by the left-armers Mitchell Johnson, Mitchell Starc and Faulkner, with Cutting and Richardson providing the main right-arm options, alongside the medium-pace allrounders Watson and Mitchell Marsh.

Both Cutting and Richardson were in outstanding form during the recent A-series in Darwin, with Richardson collecting 13 wickets at 11.30 and Cutting taking 12 at 18.16. Marsh was also a strong performer with 11 victims, and brings batting form after scoring 211 in a first-class Australia A match against India A in Brisbane last month.

"The thing we like most about Mitch Marsh at the moment is his bowling," Rod Marsh said. "He's capable of opening the bowling or coming on through the middle overs and can do so with good pace which is pleasing. It's the sign of a true allrounder if they can be in the side for either their bowling or batting and he is certainly getting close to that which is great for Australian cricket."

There was no room in the squad for Clint McKay, who is Australia's leading one-day wicket taker over the past three years and is fifth on the ICC's one-day bowling rankings, making him Australia's highest-ranked bowler. Marsh said McKay, Doherty and Hughes were especially unfortunate to miss out.

"We would have loved to pick Phillip but it's quite difficult to find the spot for him with a strong batting line-up," Marsh said. "He was in superb form during the recent Australia A one-day matches, including a stand-out double-century and the national selection panel will certainly be continuing to watch him closely.

"We're very aware of what both Xavier and Clint offer and both have played important roles for the ODI team and performed very well but with the World Cup edging closer we have to take opportunities to also consider players like Cutting, Lyon and Richardson who have all been pressing claims."

Shaun Marsh (elbow), Nathan Coulter-Nile (hamstring) and James Pattinson (back) were all unavailable due to injuries. The tri-series involving Australia, Zimbabwe and South Africa begins in Harare on August 25, and Australia will play each side twice before the final on September 6.

Australia squad Aaron Finch, Shane Watson, Michael Clarke (capt), George Bailey, Steven Smith, Glenn Maxwell, Brad Haddin (wk), Mitchell Marsh, James Faulkner, Mitchell Johnson, Ben Cutting, Mitchell Starc, Kane Richardson, Nathan Lyon.

Brydon Coverdale is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo. @brydoncoverdale

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  • on August 13, 2014, 11:16 GMT

    I think Australia need Ashton Agar back and maybe get in Clive Rose

  • philander50 on August 10, 2014, 22:33 GMT

    @Jamie Moneghan - I bet you were quiet when we visited you guys last time. More importantly your AUS A side aren't doing too well, losing every game so far :)

  • bren19 on August 7, 2014, 6:12 GMT

    The selectors might be wanting to look at Lyon to see if as the main Australian spinner he has actually learned to spin the ball?

  • Behind_the_bowlers_arm on August 6, 2014, 20:46 GMT

    @dunger.bob - I'm a London based Aust fan so he isnt my Swann. He actually averages 53 with the ball in Australia. I made a comment that referred to his retirement when his overall average was getting very close to 30 and it was edited to how it appears which isnt correct and not what I said. I'll accept posting of this by way of an apology by cricinfo

  • Chris_P on August 6, 2014, 8:17 GMT

    To be fair to Tommytuckersaffa, he did offer up the best side won afterwards & took his lot unlike a few of his fellow countrymen, (Albie comes to mind). He is a proud Bok fan & seems to know a bit about cricket, so I can cop his jibes as well as he can recieve them, it's all in good fun. Cheers

  • on August 6, 2014, 8:01 GMT

    @Chris_P. Tommytuckersaffa was very very quiet while Australia were easily beating SA in their own backyard early in the year yet again so he doesn't like getting it back as he's still hurting from another loss to Australia.

  • dunger.bob on August 6, 2014, 6:53 GMT

    @ Behind_the_bowlers_arm: It is interesting that the great Sri Lankan averages more than double your Swann in Australia. I'd like to posit an explanation. I think there are two factors in play here. 1] The quality of the opposition. Murali was up against a very handy team his whole career. A very handy team indeed. .. Swann had it a little easier I'd say. He got a taste early on but by the time he really hit his straps that team was gone. 2] Apart from Vaas, Murali didn't have much help. It was a matter of blocking him and sending the rest out of the park on occasions. England had a much more balanced attack and our lads were left with little choice but to try to attack Swann.

    Don't get me wrong, I think Swann was a very fine bowler but I don't think he was ever twice as good as Murali which is what the stats in Australia suggest.

  • Behind_the_bowlers_arm on August 6, 2014, 6:10 GMT

    Lyon is Australia's best spinner (over 100 Test wickets now ...thats quite high for an Aust off spinner) so they are looking at him in ODI's ahead of next years World Cup. Nothing wrong with that. Would imagine previously they quite rightly wanted him to concentrate on Tests. Australia dont have many other options though Muirhead may also be looked at ... and maybe Boyce in the future. It IS hard to develop spinners in Australia as the conditions rarely suit and you have to be outstanding (ie a Warne) to emerge. I would be interested to see the figures of most other world spinners IN Australia. As I recall Murali averaged about 70 per wicket and Swann 29.99.

  • on August 6, 2014, 5:25 GMT

    don't be surprised CricketChat when one of those big teams crumbles to a zimbabwe attack, on a good day zimbabwe can crash any of those.

  • dunger.bob on August 6, 2014, 2:46 GMT

    @ The Cranky One: I can't name a world class SLA from here. Not a one. Also, while Mallet and Bruce were undoubtedly two of the best offies we've ever produced I'm pretty sure that neither is particularly famous outside of Australia and my question was directed at a South African. I'm willing to bet the only Aussie spinner of any flavour he could name is Warne. Why, well, because they're few and far between aren't they. .. which is all I wanted to point out actually.

  • on August 13, 2014, 11:16 GMT

    I think Australia need Ashton Agar back and maybe get in Clive Rose

  • philander50 on August 10, 2014, 22:33 GMT

    @Jamie Moneghan - I bet you were quiet when we visited you guys last time. More importantly your AUS A side aren't doing too well, losing every game so far :)

  • bren19 on August 7, 2014, 6:12 GMT

    The selectors might be wanting to look at Lyon to see if as the main Australian spinner he has actually learned to spin the ball?

  • Behind_the_bowlers_arm on August 6, 2014, 20:46 GMT

    @dunger.bob - I'm a London based Aust fan so he isnt my Swann. He actually averages 53 with the ball in Australia. I made a comment that referred to his retirement when his overall average was getting very close to 30 and it was edited to how it appears which isnt correct and not what I said. I'll accept posting of this by way of an apology by cricinfo

  • Chris_P on August 6, 2014, 8:17 GMT

    To be fair to Tommytuckersaffa, he did offer up the best side won afterwards & took his lot unlike a few of his fellow countrymen, (Albie comes to mind). He is a proud Bok fan & seems to know a bit about cricket, so I can cop his jibes as well as he can recieve them, it's all in good fun. Cheers

  • on August 6, 2014, 8:01 GMT

    @Chris_P. Tommytuckersaffa was very very quiet while Australia were easily beating SA in their own backyard early in the year yet again so he doesn't like getting it back as he's still hurting from another loss to Australia.

  • dunger.bob on August 6, 2014, 6:53 GMT

    @ Behind_the_bowlers_arm: It is interesting that the great Sri Lankan averages more than double your Swann in Australia. I'd like to posit an explanation. I think there are two factors in play here. 1] The quality of the opposition. Murali was up against a very handy team his whole career. A very handy team indeed. .. Swann had it a little easier I'd say. He got a taste early on but by the time he really hit his straps that team was gone. 2] Apart from Vaas, Murali didn't have much help. It was a matter of blocking him and sending the rest out of the park on occasions. England had a much more balanced attack and our lads were left with little choice but to try to attack Swann.

    Don't get me wrong, I think Swann was a very fine bowler but I don't think he was ever twice as good as Murali which is what the stats in Australia suggest.

  • Behind_the_bowlers_arm on August 6, 2014, 6:10 GMT

    Lyon is Australia's best spinner (over 100 Test wickets now ...thats quite high for an Aust off spinner) so they are looking at him in ODI's ahead of next years World Cup. Nothing wrong with that. Would imagine previously they quite rightly wanted him to concentrate on Tests. Australia dont have many other options though Muirhead may also be looked at ... and maybe Boyce in the future. It IS hard to develop spinners in Australia as the conditions rarely suit and you have to be outstanding (ie a Warne) to emerge. I would be interested to see the figures of most other world spinners IN Australia. As I recall Murali averaged about 70 per wicket and Swann 29.99.

  • on August 6, 2014, 5:25 GMT

    don't be surprised CricketChat when one of those big teams crumbles to a zimbabwe attack, on a good day zimbabwe can crash any of those.

  • dunger.bob on August 6, 2014, 2:46 GMT

    @ The Cranky One: I can't name a world class SLA from here. Not a one. Also, while Mallet and Bruce were undoubtedly two of the best offies we've ever produced I'm pretty sure that neither is particularly famous outside of Australia and my question was directed at a South African. I'm willing to bet the only Aussie spinner of any flavour he could name is Warne. Why, well, because they're few and far between aren't they. .. which is all I wanted to point out actually.

  • Chris_P on August 5, 2014, 21:01 GMT

    @Tommytuckersaffa. Grins, don't mind the stick as you got to take it as well as giving it. Re: Lyons, I prefer he remain a test bowler, the improvement since he returned to the test team in England '13 confirms it. @Rajesh_india_1990, you sure you're not FFL????

  • CricketChat on August 5, 2014, 20:50 GMT

    Still seems like too much fire power from Aussies. Zim are no match for SA or Aussies. They just lost to Afghanistan badly only days ago. Don't know what's the purpose of this series. Seriously, Zim should be playing teams from Bang, NZ and WI and associate teams (Ireland, Canada, Kenya, Scotland, Netherlands, etc.). A one sided whitewash (most likely outcome) is only going to set their cricket progress by another decade or so.

  • NixNixon on August 5, 2014, 17:47 GMT

    @ jamie moneghan. Irrespective of whatever excuses you conjure, lyon is not very good. Even you know it.

  • hyclass on August 5, 2014, 14:33 GMT

    @Ozcricketwriter - Anyone can report what happened, but it takes authentic investigation to understand why. Everything that followed Hughes joining The Ashes squad '09, was Hughes being instructed to 'prepare and play in a manner that wasn't suited to him', according to his mentor DeCosta. He plays his way and doesn't get picked. Up to that point, he'd made 1637 runs in 11 games at 96, with 8 centuries, on 3 continents, including twin 100s vs a then 1100 Test wicket SA attack on their home pitch, of Steyn, Morkel, Ntini, Kallis and Harris. The Test before, he made 75, so the talk of them not knowing him is poor sportsmanship in the extreme. The idea that some of the best ever would take 275 runs to know where to bowl is offensive and the Youtube footage shows it to be untrue. He has had the misfortune to arrive during one of the most toxic administrative and coaching periods in our country's history and to have borne the brunt of a misinformation campaign that extends right through CA.

  • hyclass on August 5, 2014, 14:20 GMT

    From my perspective, the omission of Hughes from the Zimbabwe squad is a plus. While he can clearly play short form cricket, it has always been at the expense of his long form game. At his best, his 1st class average was 63, his Test average 69 - and his List A average 35. The continuity of playing a number of 1st class games on end will be to his advantage and has been a rarity in recent seasons. That a number of these are unofficial Tests is exactly what was needed. The knowledge that he is once again playing the flat batted tennis shots down the ground to short balls, is music to my ears. It means he is staying side-on, the position from which he was able to late adjust and play imperiously through the off-side. Though he made 3 x 100's last season, I wasn't convinced that he was quite back. It was only after the death of his Grandfather, that I feel he's decided life is too short to listen to bad advice or forceful instructions. Those who focus on technique have missed the point.

  • Ozcricketwriter on August 5, 2014, 13:40 GMT

    @TheBigBoodha re: Hughes failing - do a Google search for "caught Guptill bowled Martin". And if you think "that's just one series - it doesn't matter", also check out the Indian series, and 3 consecutive England series. Until Hughes can figure out how to beat the bowlers that have his number, he can't be risked at international level. Other batsmen like Michael Clarke get beaten by quality bowlers sometimes, but they figure out a way to come back. Hughes hasn't been able to do that. Until he does figure it out, he is out of the international side.

  • hyclass on August 5, 2014, 12:54 GMT

    Great post @TheBigBoodha. I also don't rate 'elbow' bowlers. I watched a doco with Mark Nicholas, on 'the' elbow bowler. As the video moves on, a camera is posted at square leg during Test matches, viewing proceedings as Ross Emerson would have seen them. 'Diabolical' hardly begins to describe it. If those videos had been shown, the conversations would have been entirely different & the reputations of several Australian umpires would be intact. Many fail to understand what took place with Hughes. I encourage all to read beyond the headline *& stop repeating what someone else said. It wasn't correct then or now. Its only the information age if one chooses to be informed. Hughes played his own game until joining the '09 Ashes squad. 1637 runs at 96 in 11 games. As DeCosta stated, from there, he was forced to prepare and play in a manner that wasn't suited to his game.The technique business was a myth to cover instructions. Though he made 204 last season, not until this 202*, was he back.

  • TommytuckerSaffa on August 5, 2014, 12:06 GMT

    @Rajesh_india_1990 I appreciate someone like you, who like me, likes to give the Aussies a bit of stick on the forums. Obviously we couldn't do this 10 years ago because their team was so darn brilliant but times have changed thank goodness. All good fun.

  • on August 5, 2014, 10:59 GMT

    @Tommytuckersaffa. I was talking about Lyon being better overall including tests as I wasn't just stating ODI's as look at Lyons average and strike rate to Tahirs overall as Lyon is second only to Ajmal who we know is the best in the world. SA didn't play Lyon too well just recently as he took more wickets than Philander who is no more than a Anderson as needs assistance in more ways than one.

  • on August 5, 2014, 10:32 GMT

    @Rajesh_India_1990. You still hurting over the thrashing we gave you in the 2003 World Cup final? How many world cups India won compared to Australia?

  • TommytuckerSaffa on August 5, 2014, 10:22 GMT

    @Jamie Monegan Please check Imran Tahirs ODI record (an average of 17) , then compare it to Nathan Lyons ODI or FC average and then come back to me. I suggest checking stats before making claims. Johan Botha is another mediocre South African spinner who has a better record than Lyon in both FC and ODI.

    Nathan Lyon will provide the perfect release of pressure that sides will need when playing against the Australian team, who apart from Lyon, looks a very good team.

  • Rajesh_india_1990 on August 5, 2014, 10:14 GMT

    Zimbabwe will beat this average team...

  • on August 5, 2014, 9:27 GMT

    Greg Matthews was a left hander but can't remember exactly what he was bowling? Was it off spin?

  • Biggus on August 5, 2014, 7:57 GMT

    @CrankyofCroydon:- Cupboard almost bare there. I may have missed someone but maybe the best I've seen is Murray Bennett. Better than Ray Bright in my book. SLAs are very much a rarity here. Mostly just pie chuckers, Inverarity, Tom Hogan, Agar. Not really our thing, SLAs.

  • TheBigBoodha on August 5, 2014, 6:20 GMT

    SICHO, do you even watch cricket in Australia? Australia is not tough for spinners? Just ask Graham Swann and Tahir (throw in Herath) who recently toured here. One had his career ended, the other almost ended. And Swann is undoubtedly the best finger spinner (I won't count "elbow" spinners) who has toured here in recent decades.

    As for Hughes, if he is an international failure, what does that say about the India/SA A attacks he just smashed for 400-odd runs in a short tri-series?

  • CrankyofCroydon on August 5, 2014, 5:27 GMT

    DunderBob, for a toughie, name a decent Aussie left arm finger spinner, post war

  • CrankyofCroydon on August 5, 2014, 5:07 GMT

    dunger.bob, Bruce Yardley and Ashley Mallet

  • xtrafalgarx on August 5, 2014, 4:37 GMT

    @Hauritzj: Are you sure? Starc has been our leading limited overs bowler for a while now. He opens the bowling in T20's and ODI's and has done for the best part of 2 years. He is the best swing bower in that squad and has excllent yourkers, remember what he did against the Windies? If anyone is struggling to hold their spot as a bowler it is Faulkner. He has been very expensive with the ball off late and just doesn't have the pace.

  • Ozcricketwriter on August 5, 2014, 4:17 GMT

    I am very pleased at the bold decision to omit Phil Hughes, after his 200 for Australia A, which must have led to a lot of pressure to play him. Hughes, though, is very vulnerable to quality bowling (caught Guptill, bowled Martin, anyone?) and he realistically should not be risked until he can get over these technical deficiencies and can score against Martin and other bowlers that have his number. As for the others, I am pleased to see Mitchell Marsh back in the side, as he is clearly a future great for Australia. I also don't mind giving Kane Richardson and Ben Cutting a shot - as it just highlights the depth of Australian bowling. Nathan Lyon was a good choice too - though I continue to be disappointed that Steve O'Keefe is overlooked. Other than that, a pretty good squad - well done to the selectors.

  • Hauritzj on August 5, 2014, 3:08 GMT

    The squad Australia has put forward for the Zimbabwe ODI tri-series is interesting as 3 left arm quicks have been named and only 2 right hand quicks. Yes, Mitchell Johnson deserves to be there as he is probably Australia's best bowler at the moment. James Faulkner I believe needs to be there as he is a good death bowler and good lower-order batsman. Mitchell Starc is the weakest link in this squad. He goes for over 5 runs an over in ODI cricket and although he scored 99 in India back in 2013 he is only a player who can loft the ball over the bowler's head to cow corner. Both Ben Cutting and Kane Richardson are good for the team as they are the future of ODI cricket in Australia. But in saying that they need to pick another right arm quick. People like: C. Sayer, C. McKay, J. Pattinson, J. Bird, J. Hastings and C. Gannon should get a look in. Nathan Hauritz is still Australia's best spinner rather than Nathan Lyon. Other options are: J. Muirhead or GB. Hogg

  • dunger.bob on August 5, 2014, 0:09 GMT

    @ Sicho: 'Don't tell me about the whole 'Australia is a tough place for spinners', no its not! Its just that the Ozzies choose to make it a tough place for spinners.'

    I realise I'm far from being the sharpest tool in the shed, but I don't get that at all. What does that last sentence mean? You'll have to explain that to me, slowly and carefully. .. Here's a quick quiz. Name two famous world class Aussie off spinners. The only proviso is the have to have played since covered pitches. .. are you struggling? - I am. .. the fact is that offies struggle here. All offies , domestic or foreign. Leg spin is our preferred weapon because they can make use of the extra pace and pace but off spinners are normally little more than cannon fodder. That's the way it is but it's not a matter of choice. No-one decided that's how it would be, it just is.

  • Scuderi on August 4, 2014, 23:48 GMT

    Just an opinion, but I think Hughes has been told that when he is selected he will be selected as an opener. In th ODIs that puts him behind Watson, Warner and Finch, and those 3 havent played recently so he wasnt selected. In tests he is behind Warner and Rogers.

    Didn't Nathan Lyon get noticed as a limited overs bowler?

  • __PK on August 4, 2014, 21:59 GMT

    Cutting deserves this. Good idea to get Steve Smith back in, although Lynn must have been unlucky to miss out.

  • SICHO on August 4, 2014, 17:44 GMT

    Its about time the Ozzies come to terms with the fact that Hughes is an international flop, all we hear is 'he scored twin centuries against Steyn and co.'.... Then what??? That was ages ago, he never came close to replicating those performances and I don't think he'll ever will. He might as well be the Graeme Hick of Australia.

    I don't think the Lyon selection is because he's a 'good bowler' or 'he's done well in Testl', NO!!! It's only because they don't have a choice. If not him, who else? Let's be honest here, ever since the retirement of Warne the Ozzies have been all over the place when it comes to spinners, Mcdonald (not sure about the name, but they took him to SA in 2009, and AB was having the fun of his life!), Doherty, Krezja and all the likes. I won't be suprised if the new guy, O'keefe, ends up in the same route. Don't tell me about the whole 'Australia is a tough place for spinners', no its not! Its just that the Ozzies choose to make it a tough place for spinners.

  • SICHO on August 4, 2014, 17:44 GMT

    Its about time the Ozzies come to terms with the fact that Hughes is an international flop, all we hear is 'he scored twin centuries against Steyn and co.'.... Then what??? That was ages ago, he never came close to replicating those performances and I don't think he'll ever will. He might as well be the Graeme Hick of Australia.

    I don't think the Lyon selection is because he's a 'good bowler' or 'he's done well in Testl', NO!!! It's only because they don't have a choice. If not him, who else? Let's be honest here, ever since the retirement of Warne the Ozzies have been all over the place when it comes to spinners, Mcdonald (not sure about the name, but they took him to SA in 2009, and AB was having the fun of his life!), Doherty, Krezja and all the likes. I won't be suprised if the new guy, O'keefe, ends up in the same route. Don't tell me about the whole 'Australia is a tough place for spinners', no its not! Its just that the Ozzies choose to make it a tough place for spinners.

  • zeus_kris on August 4, 2014, 16:32 GMT

    Why are the selectors intent on playing Haddin in T20s or ODIs? When did he score atleast a 50 in either format? Better to play Tim Paine. He is a way better bat than Haddin.

    I understand that Haddin helped Australia win Ashes, but that doesn't mean he should get to play in all formats. If Australia doesn't play Paine, then their squad for world cup is weak.

  • PRAMOD_2012 on August 4, 2014, 16:16 GMT

    M Marsh is future of Australia. Great talent, great potential. Selector must trust him and give him reasonable run in ODIs to prove himself. Surely it will pay rich dividend to Australia.

    Good Luck M Marsh. I wish you Cement your place permanently.

  • jonesy2 on August 4, 2014, 15:51 GMT

    why hasnt the second best spinner in the world after ajmal been in ODI since the start of his international career? ridiculous. no phil hughes is just a laugh, what are the selectors worried about? that he would score too many runs? why isnt cummins in the squad, in no way does ben cutting deserve a spot

  • lian_14 on August 4, 2014, 14:44 GMT

    @Eightfa Bailey has easily been the most consistent batsman in the odi line-up for the last two years. During times when the team suffered from batting collapses, he has been there to resurrect a lot of the innings. Sure, he isn't the most beautiful batsman out there, and probably will never make front page headlines with his batting displays like a Warner or a Clarke, but he will definitely get his part of the job done. And honestly, not the same can be said about some of the other more 'highly rated' and talked about players in the team. And the thing is Clarke is older than Bailey, plays a similar role in the batting order, hasn't been in the best of forms in ODIs... but you wouldn't be speaking of the decline of Clarke...

  • Buckers97 on August 4, 2014, 13:11 GMT

    Main XI for the tri-series should be; Watson, Finch, Smith, Clarke, Maxwell, Haddin, Marsh, Faulkner, Richardson/Cutting, Starc, Lyon. I totally agree with Eightfa's comments about Bailey & Smith. BTW Maxwell will be reverse slogging the Africans for dayz

  • on August 4, 2014, 12:52 GMT

    @Tommytuckersaffa. Lyon is better than anything SA have produced as Peterson , Harris , Tahir , Botha they all got smacked everywhere and mainly by Australia! I'd be more worried about your teams frailties in the spin department if I was you.

  • xtrafalgarx on August 4, 2014, 12:52 GMT

    @Eightfa: Future? The future is not always good. Bailey averages 50+ and still has 4-5 years let in him, Steve Smith, even though he has big wraps on him is still very much an unknown. he only averages 20 odd and has never scored a list A century for all the talk of him being a limited overs specialist. As much as i like him, i think he is a bit overrated when it comes to limited overs cricket.

  • wix99 on August 4, 2014, 12:45 GMT

    Phil Hughes and Cameron White must be disappointed to miss out. When you consider that Shaun Marsh (injured) and David Warner (personal leave) are also missing from the squad it highlights the competition for batting spots.

  • aby_97 on August 4, 2014, 12:44 GMT

    Except Haddin's inclusion I;m happy with the squad.Haddin's 35 and making him play all the formats is a burden for him itself.Bring in someone like a Sam Whiteman for ODI's and T20's so that he can get some international experience before playing Test cricket.Or else after Haddin's retirement it would be a problem for the selectors.

  • TheBigBoodha on August 4, 2014, 11:59 GMT

    TommytuckerSaffa, on the contrary, he's a very good one day bowler. I was very impressed when I saw him bowling for South Australia in a 50 over game a few seasons ago.

    I think the reason they didn't put him in the ODI team is because they wanted him to develop flight and variation for tests. They probably thought playing ODIs would hinder that development. Now that he is coming along as test spinner, it's time to give him a shot at the ODIs.

  • siddhartha87 on August 4, 2014, 11:02 GMT

    @rajesh and other Lyon critics: it's interesting actually Lyon's strike rate is 65.6 . While strike strike rates of some of the other teams leading spinner are- Ajmal 63.4 ,Herath 66.3 ,Shakib 67.9, Abdur Rehman 66.6,Tahir 79.9,Jadeja 75.9,Shiilingford 67.00.

    So stats suggests that he has the 2nd best wicket taking taking ability out of all other tests nation's leading spinners. Plus remember he does not get to bowl in dust bowls like some of the other spinners does. Lyon may not be one man army or something like that but his records surely suggests that he is doing his business silently . Lyon is improving in each test ,I will not be surprised if he betters Ajmal's strike rate within an year.

  • Eightfa on August 4, 2014, 11:01 GMT

    this is the first step of the decline of George bailey and the push for Steve smith. Bailey has done a great job but the future is Steve smith. Mckay will come straight back in but lyon offers so much more then doherty. he can contain and take wickets, if the selectors are looking this way Australia has a great chance of winning the world cup.world cup first X1 warner, finch, Watson, Clarke, smith, Maxwell, haddin, Faulkner, Johnson, Mckay, lyon good team only change maybe harris for Faulkner then its a great team

  • mzm149 on August 4, 2014, 10:27 GMT

    Its good that Australians are looking beyond Doherty for an ODI and t20 spinner.

    Team against South Africa should be

    1. Aaron Finch 2. Shane Watson 3. George Bailey 4. Steven Smith 5. Michael Clarke (capt) 6. Glenn Maxwell 7. Brad Haddin (wk) 8. James Faulkner, 9. Mitchell Johnson10. Mitchell Starc 11. Nathan Lyon

    Mitchell Marsh, Kane Richardson and Ben Cutting can be tried in place of Michael Clarke, Mitchell Johnson and Mitchell Starc respectively for Zimbabwe games.

  • Barnbarroch on August 4, 2014, 10:06 GMT

    Nathan Lyon

    Mat Inns Balls Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 4w 5w 10 Tests 33 64 7351 3695 112 7/94 9/165 32.99 3.01 65.6 4 5 0

    Nothing wrong with those figures - pretty impressive really!

  • Winsome on August 4, 2014, 9:58 GMT

    Lyon needs to be tried, he might not be up to it but they have to find out. Mitch Marsh used to bowl up around 140 but a collection of injuries for the past two years has had him bowling well within that. All signs from the A series were that he's got fairly quick again so he must be feeling fit. I'd really like to see how Kane Richardson goes so I hope he gets plenty of game time. They really are hunting for the magic all-rounder with this squad.

  • TommytuckerSaffa on August 4, 2014, 9:40 GMT

    Lyon is not an ODI bowler, he is going to get ruthlessly attacked and carted over long-on repeatedly.

  • siddhartha87 on August 4, 2014, 9:31 GMT

    @rajesh: Lyon took 7 wickets in a match in England, has taken 7 wicket haul in India, Give cruicial breakthrough in Ashes and took 5 wickets in an innings in South AFrica.I agree he is not legend or something but he is good enough to play tests. Anyway if MJ and Rhino get a "legend" spinner with them all test will be ended within 3 days

  • dunger.bob on August 4, 2014, 9:31 GMT

    @ bren19: While I agree that the selectors have been picking Lyon 'in the hope that he will turn into something'' I think you're being a bit hard on him. His numbers are actually pretty good. The thing many people forget is that Australia is one of the hardest places in the world for off-spinners. Even Murali, who had a doosra or whatever you want to call it, really struggled here. .. I don't normally go for the stats but in this case all I can say is look at the numbers. He's going Ok but I do agree that now would be a very good time to start taking some significant top order wickets. .. That would be very good for us and in the end that's all that really matters.

  • on August 4, 2014, 9:26 GMT

    batting order will probably be, Finch, Watson, Smith, Clarke, Bailey, Maxwell, Haddin, Faulkner, Johnson, Starc, Lyon. I do wanna c cutting but Faulkner atm I think is a better pick

  • BobYukta on August 4, 2014, 9:24 GMT

    Rajesh_india_1990. Yes our spin cupboard is relatively empty, but thats like knocking India for having a lack of quality pacemen - its just a product of the climate these players play in. Australian pitches aren't conducive to spin, so spinners aren't encouraged as much as pacers, just like the reverse is true in India. Why knock Lyon (who has actually done a stellar job and tried his absolute best) and the rest of our spinners when the same can be applied to a group of bolwers from your own dear country?

    Anyway, Lyon is the best we have. O'Keefe should be given a run in tandem with Lyon during the Aus/Pak series, but there's no reason to drop him when he's still performing.

  • on August 4, 2014, 9:05 GMT

    @behind_the_bowlers_arm 140 is faster than nz quicks? have you not seen Mitch mcclenaghan , Adam Milne (clocked at 153.3 against west indies), obviously a fan oblivious to the rest of the world. also pace does not mean your a good bowler.

  • bren19 on August 4, 2014, 9:02 GMT

    @rajesh_india_1990 - One assumes that you are talking about Nathan Lyon. I could not agree more! Lyon is not international quality but keeps getting a run in the hope that he will turn into something. Australia might not have a lot of spinners to chose from but that is not a good reason to choose Lyon. I was hoping the new selectors might make a difference - but it seems to be the same old backward thinking.

  • dunger.bob on August 4, 2014, 8:49 GMT

    @ Rajesh_india_1990: "A mediocre bowler who is treated like a legend by Australia which shows their spin cupboard is empty...." : Yep, you've rumbled us good and proper. If only we had some-one as good as Sir Jadeja to worry the hell out of those poms ..

  • Rajesh_india_1990 on August 4, 2014, 8:32 GMT

    A mediocre bowler who is treated like a legend by Australia which shows their spin cupboard is empty....

  • bobagorof on August 4, 2014, 8:19 GMT

    @PFEL: No, I haven't seen much of Marsh bowling. But CricInfo lists him as Medium pace, which doesn't suggest anywhere near 140kph when Watson is Fast-Medium and only touches 140 occasionally, and Copeland is Fast-Medium and doesn't get anywhere near it.

  • xtrafalgarx on August 4, 2014, 8:15 GMT

    It's good Hughes isn't picked. He would lose his spot when Warner comes back and that's the reason why he didn't play in SA as well, even though he deserved to. He would have had to be dropped yet again when Watson came back. I think the selectors are waiting for an opportunity to play him when there is an open spot and he is more likely to succeed because the truth is if Hughes fails again - It could be the last we ever see him at international level.

    He would have been on a hiding or nothing on this tour. Like is SA he just st on the bench, at least this way he is playing some cricket still.

  • Chris_P on August 4, 2014, 7:43 GMT

    @Srikumar Narayan Hughes, no technique? I guess it pure luck he is the youngest player to have scored a century in each innings of a test match & against South Africa no less! Interesting thought process.

  • on August 4, 2014, 7:40 GMT

    Watson over Hughes? Watson is a "known quantity", I just want to watch someone else open the batting.

  • Sir_Francis on August 4, 2014, 7:36 GMT

    Who said Hughes had no temperament? He scored a pair of tons in just his 2nd Test against Dale Steyn and mates and almost helped Australia win the 1st test in England last year (not too mention almost guiding Agar to a debut ton). He has tons of temperament and he tons of tons. He clearly has annoyed someone in power. No surprise he had to leave NSW. I suspect he won't play for Australia until a certain NSW player has retired.

    Also, did Marsh keep a straight face when he called his namesake Mitch a true allrounder???

    I needed a laugh.

  • on August 4, 2014, 7:21 GMT

    Its nice to see Kane Richardson and Ben Cutting getting selected. I reckon the two of them will be regulars in the playing eleven in around two years. Nathan Lyon also deserves a chance, he's done well at test level and a change in the spin department is worth trying. Steve Smith was well overdue for a call up to the ODI squad. His form shows it and he has a big future for Australian cricket. Phil Hughes deserved a place in the eleven he followed his list A double hundred with two fifties. One knock at A level shouldn't bring someone to the national team, a persons form throughout the series should be looked at. Phil Hughes definitely is a future batsman for Australia in both tests and ODI's. I think after the 2015 World Cup Michael Clarke should resign as the captain whether Australia win the cup or not. He could still continue as a player for the last few years like Ricky Ponting or Graeme Smith did after they quit the captaincy. I think Steve Smith should take over after Clarke.

  • on August 4, 2014, 7:10 GMT

    What was wrong with Hughes opening alongside Finch?

    This is really upsetting. The man is young, is a likely replacement for Rogers in tests, is in form, why not give him a go?

    I'm glad SOME common sense has prevailed though with Steven Smith finally getting a chance.

    Also, I'm glad that the two embarrassments; Nathan Coulter Nile and Dan Christian are not part of the squad.

  • on August 4, 2014, 7:04 GMT

    So Hughes scored 92 runs in the last ten overs of that double hundred. The selectors talk of known quantities yet they send Shane Watson on the tour...if he scores a couple of hundreds everyone says *heh. Zimbabwe. doesn't count*. If he fails they have a cow. Surely there is more to learn from Hughes going. Did he need to score a triple? 10 years ago he'd have been the first ever one day double and he definitely goes...bah. Shortsighted from CA. Australia ain't so strong that they can ignore batting like that. He's been in great form. The 5-0 v England was down to MJ, Brad Haddin & Lyon. The batting was average. 26yr old Hughes can be ignored though...

  • LoungeChairCritic on August 4, 2014, 7:02 GMT

    @ Srikumar Narayan Warner is having the series off as his wife is due pretty soon to have their 1st child. Now is the time to experiment. Mitch Marsh is a talent but he tends to break down quite regularly. Smith is a good inclusion. He is growing with confidence. Watson will need to perform as their are quite a few all rounders in the squad. I would love to see Maxwell bat at 3 as he does in 20/20. He is our x factor. I think Lyon is in the squad because the selectors want to play O'Keefe in two 4 day Australia A matches. I think O'Keefe is a certainty to be our the 2nd spinner when Oz play tests against Pakistan in Dubai in September. My gut feeling is that O'Keefe will outperform Lyon if he gets the opportunity in tests.

  • on August 4, 2014, 6:33 GMT

    Shaun Marsh had surgery on his elbow just recently. He will be out for a while.

  • PFEL on August 4, 2014, 6:25 GMT

    @bobagorof, not sure if you've seen Mitch Marsh bowling but he is a lot quicker than Trent Copeland. He hit the 140s a couple of years back and still can regular bowl in the high 130s (probably still hits 140+). He is comfortably quicker than Jimmy Anderson, Vernon Philander, all of India/Sri Lanka/New Zealand's quicks so I don't really know what you're getting at.

  • Behind_the_bowlers_arm on August 4, 2014, 6:18 GMT

    As Rod Marsh says this tour is about looking at players , there will be plenty of time in the Aust summer to make decisions on the squad for the World Cup. Also a question of managing workloads. From the Australian summer starting October players will have the World Cup, IPL (for some) & then into an English summer for the Ashes. A full 12 months of constant cricket.

  • on August 4, 2014, 6:13 GMT

    Where is Shaun Marsh?He should be there at number 3.

  • on August 4, 2014, 6:09 GMT

    smith should be included in playing xi regularly il this tour so that he can so he class he great entertainer I see in him of young Steve Waugh he is fure captain of Australia

  • xtrafalgarx on August 4, 2014, 5:41 GMT

    We have too many similar players. Maxwell has been a starter at no.6 for a while so has Faulkner and with Bailey and Clarke the backbone of the side, the only place left for Smith to fit in is at no.3 with Watson opening. That means Marsh won't make it into the first XI as it is already chock-a-block full with all rounders, same goes for Cutting who won't be able to squeeze past Johnson, Starc or Richardson as a bowler.

    Time for selectors to make up their mind and bite the bullet and pick a side that works, too many people in contention when we should be refining the side. When McKay, Doherty, Warner, White, Christian, Henriques, Wade, hughes, Copper, Ferguson and co are back into contention it will be a big mess to clean up.

  • on August 4, 2014, 5:32 GMT

    Where is Warner in this team? Happy Hughes is finally dropped. Most over rated player. No technique, no temperament nothing.

  • social_monster09 on August 4, 2014, 5:13 GMT

    An army of allrounders. Everyone bats everyone bowls & everyone fields. But I think in the absence of Warner Hughes is the right contender for the opening slot along with Finch. Anyway my playing XI is like that:- 1)Finch 2)Watson 3)Bailey 4)Clarke 5)Smith 6)Maxwell 7)Faulkner 8)Haddin 9)Johnson 10)Lyon 11)Starc

  • landl47 on August 4, 2014, 4:51 GMT

    It's a decent squad, though a bit light on top-order batting. Presumably Finch and Watson will open, but there's no natural #3 in the squad. Clarke doesn't like playing there and Maxwell, Bailey, Smith and Marsh are all middle-order batsmen. I find it odd that there would be no room for Hughes, but presumably the selectors feel that when Warner comes back he'll open, Watson will be #3 and Hughes won't be needed. Given Watson's increasing age and history of fragility that might be a risky call.

    The bowling's another matter. Everyone except Bailey and Haddin can turn their arm over. It will be a tough decision whom to leave out.

    It should be a useful series in showing Australia where they are in their preparations for the World Cup.

  • bobagorof on August 4, 2014, 4:41 GMT

    @Vineet Kumar: Maxwell and Smith can't *both* play at No.6. Not in the same game, at least.

    I think Smith is one of the most exciting batsmen Australia has and will be around for a long time. Maxwell has done very well of late in being aggressive and has stood out when the rest of the batting order collapsed - I'm still not convinced he has the patience or the technique to succeed when not in a purple patch, but I hope he proves me wrong.

    Very interested to hear that Mitch Marsh is able to open the bowling - at his pace I find that surprising. Still, if Copeland can do it, why not Marsh?

    I'm glad that the selectors are looking elsewhere than Doherty for spinners.

  • drfarnsworth on August 4, 2014, 3:58 GMT

    Although Hughes maybe should have been an automatic selection after his 202*, I feel he needs to play this Australia A v South Africa A first class series and keep piling up runs, rather than sitting on the bench overseas (like he did for the tour to South Africa earlier this year). In this way, I hope he doesn't get picked for the Pakistan series (as he will either sit on the bench or get low scores on spinning tracks) just so he can stay home and practice and play the domestic one day tournament and prepare for the home summer.

  • on August 4, 2014, 3:43 GMT

    mitch marsh should bat @ no 3. smith and maxi both are good at no6.

  • DragonCricketer on August 4, 2014, 3:36 GMT

    Hughes should not be selected until he has scored another 3 double centuries in List A games.

  • 11kgm on August 4, 2014, 2:41 GMT

    No McKay over Cutting who is a glorified hack with the bat and gets carted with the ball in hand. No Hughes don't get me started on that one.

    The only good things is Doe is out for Lyon and we are looking at different options to watson

  • xtrafalgarx on August 4, 2014, 2:25 GMT

    Looks like the selectors really want to keep Hughes hungry this time. On domestic performances, he shoud have been picked for SA over Marsh and Doolan and for these ODI's aswell, but i think the selectors don't want to mess him up this time- they are going to wait till they are absolutely sure that his time is right.

    I would like to see either Glenn Maxwell or Steve Smith challenged to play at no.3 for this series and be forced to perform like what India did with a young Virat Kohli and increase their rate of learning rather than being an end overs slogger.

  • redneck on August 4, 2014, 1:52 GMT

    what does phil hughes have to do??? seriously should be a walk up start for both tests and ODIs!!! like the bowling line up, lyon as the best spinner in the country should be playing ODIs too.

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  • redneck on August 4, 2014, 1:52 GMT

    what does phil hughes have to do??? seriously should be a walk up start for both tests and ODIs!!! like the bowling line up, lyon as the best spinner in the country should be playing ODIs too.

  • xtrafalgarx on August 4, 2014, 2:25 GMT

    Looks like the selectors really want to keep Hughes hungry this time. On domestic performances, he shoud have been picked for SA over Marsh and Doolan and for these ODI's aswell, but i think the selectors don't want to mess him up this time- they are going to wait till they are absolutely sure that his time is right.

    I would like to see either Glenn Maxwell or Steve Smith challenged to play at no.3 for this series and be forced to perform like what India did with a young Virat Kohli and increase their rate of learning rather than being an end overs slogger.

  • 11kgm on August 4, 2014, 2:41 GMT

    No McKay over Cutting who is a glorified hack with the bat and gets carted with the ball in hand. No Hughes don't get me started on that one.

    The only good things is Doe is out for Lyon and we are looking at different options to watson

  • DragonCricketer on August 4, 2014, 3:36 GMT

    Hughes should not be selected until he has scored another 3 double centuries in List A games.

  • on August 4, 2014, 3:43 GMT

    mitch marsh should bat @ no 3. smith and maxi both are good at no6.

  • drfarnsworth on August 4, 2014, 3:58 GMT

    Although Hughes maybe should have been an automatic selection after his 202*, I feel he needs to play this Australia A v South Africa A first class series and keep piling up runs, rather than sitting on the bench overseas (like he did for the tour to South Africa earlier this year). In this way, I hope he doesn't get picked for the Pakistan series (as he will either sit on the bench or get low scores on spinning tracks) just so he can stay home and practice and play the domestic one day tournament and prepare for the home summer.

  • bobagorof on August 4, 2014, 4:41 GMT

    @Vineet Kumar: Maxwell and Smith can't *both* play at No.6. Not in the same game, at least.

    I think Smith is one of the most exciting batsmen Australia has and will be around for a long time. Maxwell has done very well of late in being aggressive and has stood out when the rest of the batting order collapsed - I'm still not convinced he has the patience or the technique to succeed when not in a purple patch, but I hope he proves me wrong.

    Very interested to hear that Mitch Marsh is able to open the bowling - at his pace I find that surprising. Still, if Copeland can do it, why not Marsh?

    I'm glad that the selectors are looking elsewhere than Doherty for spinners.

  • landl47 on August 4, 2014, 4:51 GMT

    It's a decent squad, though a bit light on top-order batting. Presumably Finch and Watson will open, but there's no natural #3 in the squad. Clarke doesn't like playing there and Maxwell, Bailey, Smith and Marsh are all middle-order batsmen. I find it odd that there would be no room for Hughes, but presumably the selectors feel that when Warner comes back he'll open, Watson will be #3 and Hughes won't be needed. Given Watson's increasing age and history of fragility that might be a risky call.

    The bowling's another matter. Everyone except Bailey and Haddin can turn their arm over. It will be a tough decision whom to leave out.

    It should be a useful series in showing Australia where they are in their preparations for the World Cup.

  • social_monster09 on August 4, 2014, 5:13 GMT

    An army of allrounders. Everyone bats everyone bowls & everyone fields. But I think in the absence of Warner Hughes is the right contender for the opening slot along with Finch. Anyway my playing XI is like that:- 1)Finch 2)Watson 3)Bailey 4)Clarke 5)Smith 6)Maxwell 7)Faulkner 8)Haddin 9)Johnson 10)Lyon 11)Starc

  • on August 4, 2014, 5:32 GMT

    Where is Warner in this team? Happy Hughes is finally dropped. Most over rated player. No technique, no temperament nothing.