Players have gelled well with Malik - Lawson
Geoff Lawson reflects on his brief stint as coach of Pakistan and looks ahead to the tour of India
Osman Samiuddin
29-Oct-2007
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Geoff Lawson hasn't had too much time to reflect since he began
coaching Pakistan. A good start at the ICC World Twenty20 was followed
almost immediately by a tough home series against South Africa. And before
he can breathe he goes to India for the highest-profile, highest-stakes
series in cricket: Pakistan-India. Cricinfo caught up with him before the
last ODI against South Africa in Lahore for a brief chat.
You've been coach now for just over two months. How have you progressed
with the team?
Geoff Lawson: Pakistan are a really good group. They are good
people and that is the first thing: before they are good cricketers they
are good people and that is important. They want to do well and work hard
and we'll make them work hard. We've still got a long way to go - we, being
David Dwyer [trainer] and myself as the imports so to speak - but the players are
9-12 months from being as fit as they should be.
Because we've had so much cricket and you can't train when cricket is on,
we think they are that far away from where they should be as professional
cricketers. They are a long way in front of where they were on 20th August
[when Lawson began] so now we're getting there and we're happy with that.
Players are responding to hard training and that's terrific.
They are good professional guys but we've got a long way to go in a lot of
aspects. They are comfortable with their habits and some habits are easier
to break and some are harder. That is what frustrates me most. We do some
new things really well and then we fall back to old habits. That will take
some time. I look back at the last ten weeks and am reasonably happy with
the progress.
This is your first stint as an international coach. Has there been a
big adjustment from domestic level?
Before, I was dealing with Glenn McGrath, Nathan Bracken, Brett
Lee, Stuart Clark. They are the guys I have always dealt with -
international players. As a commentator I have covered international cricket and have always been analysing it. I have been involved with international cricket since I
retired.
You're not inside the dressing room but to a degree, because you deal with
the players that I have just mentioned, you certainly have knowledge of
what goes on inside the dressing room. It's great to have a perspective outside the
dressing room and that is very important to bring to coaching sometimes.
I've spent my life watching and analysing cricket so it's not particularly
new to me. The big surprise has been just that the players have responded
as well as they have. I thought that might have been more difficult
because of the habitual stuff that they have. That's been the biggest
surprise but the nicest one.
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Moving on to the series just gone against South Africa, do you think
the targets you set before it have been reached?
If you had asked me after the third ODI I would've been much
happier. A part of what we have to do is a process - it is ongoing. Yes
we've got to win every game but there are a whole lot of other things we
have to do. We've come a fair way in that.
We've done some really good things but the Multan ODI
was really
disappointing. Not just that we got beaten but that we need to be
consistent and we did most things wrong. Even when we were behind, we
didn't show enough enthusiasm and energy in the field and you can't afford
to do that. That was really disappointing, probably a step back. So we've
probably taken two steps forward and one step back.
Given the fast bowling pool available in Pakistan, was it a mistake to
rely so heavily on spin during the Test series?
We would love to have a batsman like Jacques Kallis who can bowl
seamers, that would've been perfect. But anywhere you go in the world you
have to pick the team depending on what the conditions are. We probably
needed another seam bowling allrounder.
We have spin bowling allrounders and that is what you get in the
subcontinent. In Australia and South Africa you get a lot of seam bowling
allrounders because that is how you grow up. The wickets produce that
sort of player. In retrospect we might have played three seamers in the
Lahore Test but that wicket was so flat it would've ended a draw anyway.
We just didn't play well enough in Karachi,
without much luck. Six days
before that we were playing a Twenty20 final so it's unfortunate you end
up losing the series, yet you have done so well just the Monday before.
You have to play a Test just after losing a Twenty20 final
but it still
says 1-0 in the scorebook unfortunately. We tried to get over it [the
switch in format] but it was a difficult thing to turn around. It was the
first time in the history of cricket that any team has had to do that so
we started slowly. Ultimately you just play the bowlers who you think will
do the best job.
But there's still a lot of fast bowling talent around...
Absolutely. We have six really good ones in the squad at the
moment and probably two or three just outside who look really good. That
is a really nice situation to be in. With more cricket on, we have talked
about when we'll have to rest players but it's just nice to know that you
have some good fast bowling talent to work with.
One of the biggest series in cricket is just coming up with India. Has
that affected the players in this series?
It's certainly been at the back of their minds. One of my tasks
is to make sure it is not at the front of their minds because we have to
win this series. Maybe we were thinking at Multan that we're 2-1 up and it
was a nice comfortable place to be, and we're looking ahead.
Maybe we just needed to concentrate on the game and winning it. Obviously
they were on the way to picking a squad there and people wanted to be in
it. It will be a fantastic series and people have a high level of
anticipation for that series. But we've got to get through this one and my
interest as a coach is to be mentally in this game tomorrow. If we win,
that will be the biggest stepping stone to India.
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New faces are coming in on both sides...
It's kind of nice, a changing of the guard and great players
leaving. That is always a little sad because people miss great players.
But there's some new talent in both sides coming through and that will
make this series very exciting. The fact that we played them in the
Twenty20, played a tie, then lost by a few runs, there's not much
between the two sides in that format of the game. The apparent evenness of
the two sides and what happened in the Twenty20 has just whetted
the appetite on both sides even more than these encounters always do. I
think the very recent history between the two has been even more exciting
and the addition of good young cricketers just adds more to what will
always be a good contest.
How is Shoaib Malik coming along as captain?
We have a very good understanding and we get on very well. We
sit down and discuss whatever, how practice is going, certain players, who's
in the team etc. We're very good that way. The fact that he is a young captain
helps both of us. He hasn't got entrenched ideas. He listens, takes things
on board. He likes to do things a certain way. But he's only going to get
better. He has done two Tests and a few ODIs but he is going to get
better.
He is even better with the players. From what I can understand, how he
interacts with the players is a bit different to how it used to be
traditionally in Pakistan and that is a good thing. It's more towards - for
want of a better word - an Australian type of system. Everyone in the
Australian cricket team is basically equal: yes there are senior players
but a player making his debut can have whatever conversation he can have
with the captain any time. That is what we have to get to.
In this group we have at the moment, we're getting the hang of that. If
you exchange ideas you become better cricketers and that is the bottom
line. That is why we want more communication within the team and whatever
squad we pick.
Has communication with the players been an issue at all?
My Urdu is coming along - they love it when I use Urdu. But no,
there is very little problem. I just have to speak slowly because
Australians speak quickly anyway. Just a couple of times if there has been
a problem with some of the guys whose English isn't quite that good, the
other guys will make sure they know. So that's almost been no problem at
all. As long as I speak slowly and pronounce my words clearly which you
should any time, there is no problem.
What can Pakistan take from the Australian system of cricket? Should it
take something?
That's a part of why I have been given the job. But we have got
to be careful: we can't just transplant an Australian system into Pakistan
because Pakistan cricket is different. It's got different building blocks,
different attitudes, it's a different culture.
The trick is to take the best of the Australian system and how they go
about their cricket and introduce it to Pakistan. I'm still learning a lot
about how the culture affects their cricket. Just the way they go about
training. If you go to a club practice in Australia, even though they are
amateurs, those guys practice at 1000 miles an hour. Fielding is done with
intensity whether you are playing third grade or fourth grade cricket.
Here the guys sort of stroll around and do a few and I find that really
annoying but that is what they are used to.
So we want that Australianness - it's probably the same in South Africa -
but we want that intensity into how we go about practice. We're getting
there gradually, but you want the bits of an Australian system that work
the best with the Pakistan system. Pakistan cricket has got some things
that are fantastic and you don't want to change that. You want to make
that better.
Osman Samiuddin is the Pakistan editor of Cricinfo