Politics April 23, 2007

A strategy for seniors

One solution to a tussle between seniors is the "Two captain strategy"
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Despite public proclamations of unity, the Pakistan board (PCB) will have to find a way of keeping their venerable "seniors" on board. One solution to a tussle between seniors is the "Two captain strategy" (one in one-day cricket and the other in Test cricket). But the PCB has sensibly concluded Malik can do both, in which case I propose the "Two vice-captain strategy." In a nutshell, it goes something like this:

1 An age-old technique for reining in a delinquent elder is to give him some responsibility.

2 Pakistan has a few of these, so why not appoint two vice-captains?

3 Younis Khan has ruled himself out of both positions. In any case there's no point him being deputy to Malik since he has decided not to captain Pakistan. Younis's moment has gone (he remains a certainty for my Test XI though).

4 Salman Butt, the champion of the adolescent vote, has enough on his plate re-establishing himself as an international cricketer to have an extra distraction. Salman's moment is yet to come.

5 Abdul Razzaq has captained but it was a performance that helped his opponents rather than his own team. Razzaq's moment was best forgotten.

6 Shoaib Akhtar should have contaminated his chances of winning a position of responsibility just as he contaminated his blood and urine with nandrolone. Shame, he might have been a fascinating leader. Shoaib's moment is wishful thinking.

7 Shahid Afridi should be in every one-day team but he might miss the cut in Test cricket. Give the gusto of Afridi a blast. It is the moment to make him one-day vice-captain.

8 Mohammad Yousuf should be in every Test team though half an eye on the next World Cup might render him quickly irrelevant in one-day cricket. Give the lofty elegance of Yousuf another try. It is the moment to make him Test vice-captain.

9 Once a future successor (it may be a long time in the future) is identified he should take over from Yousuf as the Test vice-captain. The successor's moment is not now.

10 Oh yes. Inzamam should do a Lara, announce a farewell Test in the next home series, and watch the boys play well without him. The big man deserves a parting moment of splendour.

Kamran Abbasi is an editor, writer and broadcaster. He tweets here

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  • jazar wasim on April 29, 2007, 21:12 GMT

    i do realize that malik has already been named as captain and we cant do nethng abt it. bt the plan is still gud since shoaib malik has been more reposnsible in planing long innings az compared by yousif or the stupid n dumb one day payer younis khan. you cant make a captain just because he his energetic in the field. after playing soo many one dayz the average is not very statisfying if you are such a seneoir player. and there is just one cenury in the whole one day careeree...briallantly ridiclous. the idea of vice captin my vote does goes for shoiab akhtar, only because so that he becomes more responsible for the cricket hez playing n stay fit. he has the potential to be a gud cricket player as compared to youis. yousuf is real gud bt i just dnt see the leadership in him. afridi will also be a very smart option

  • asim on April 29, 2007, 15:52 GMT

    Inzy must play test cricket.. he is still the one the best. captainship affected his batting but now when that is not his problem he can really concentrate on playing shots..

    his 92 in SA suggested that its not the time for him to retire..

  • Junaid on April 29, 2007, 9:18 GMT

    You have made some very valid points Kamran. I dont think Asif should be captain for obvious reasons. Do we really want a person who spends more time being questoned then bowling to lead our country? I dont think so

    Junaid Saeed

    Birmingham, UK

  • WASIM SAQIB on April 28, 2007, 16:25 GMT

    Nadeem:

    Do you honestly believe that the Five star hotels built in Sialkot, gujranwala and faisalabad were built by the Government. I understand you want your area to progress,but blame your local politicians or your local businessman that they should pay attention to your city. Secondly You want some players from Hyderabad in the team but you failed to quote their names and credentials,when was the last time hyderabad won a domestic tournament,can you check.

  • Kiran Ahmed - Toronto on April 28, 2007, 6:47 GMT

    Surely by now Kamran, you would have realized you're wrong with your theory of 2 Vice Captains and even worse - to make Afridi one of those 2 VC's. Javed Khan is suffering from a lack of sanity, it happens to desis in Montreal, unfortunately the only treatment would be for him to pack his bags and return to his home in Lallu-Kheit. As for you Kamran, just remember that Pakistan cricket needs stability and youth at this stage - and a young VC like Salman Butt would certainly re-enforce the fact that the PCB is looking ahead not back. Kamran Akmal is another good choice - he seems to have a good head on his shoulders. Nevertheless, Afridi should not even be in the picture, for he is a typical gallery boy - and not a person who the team can rely on to lead by example.

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on April 28, 2007, 4:46 GMT

    Ali Majid at April 24, 2007 2:08 PM you have made some valid points about captaincy, leadership and team spirit. The example of Shane Warne and a few others are worth to be considered not only for the Pakistan team but for any team.

    There is a cultural difference between them and Pakistan, once I called it as bhai culture, that keeps the distance between the juniors and seniors and there was a debate on this issue. Until and unless this barrier is removed the junior players will not consider themselves as equal team mates and won't come up with their ideas and observations. There is also the desired level of education which is lacking in the team and that makes the difference. How can you expect them to be good in devising game plans, formulating strategies being fluid and flexible in making back up and contingency plans unless they are educated?

    Whenever there is a talk about education, refinement, improvement or finesse there is always a resistance from the inner circles. Even on this blog there are people who take so much pride in remaining complacent and call it a unique 'kwalty.' Being unique is different from being educated and people who are more religious must accept that the religion encourages people to learn more and to acquire more knowledge 'though it be in China.' But, whatever and whenever it suits them they like to remain complacent and call it a unique quality. You are absolutely right in saying that for the past 15 years or so the team is full of individuals who are power hungry opportunists and collectively fail to produce a team with a winning combination.

  • Shuja Kidwai on April 28, 2007, 4:10 GMT

    Javed A. Khan you are doing a great job here on this blog by keeping the paindoos on the left. Those who are trying to make fun of you cannot match your wits or the expertise knowledge of cricket that you possess. I always find your analysis very balanced, fair and on the spot. Besides you have a good sense of humour that really hurts the paindoos on the right spot. I can see the inferiority complex some of the dudes here possess and try to make fun of you, actually the problem is with them and its so deep rooted in their psyche and they know that they cannot compete with you so they wish to remain a paindoo all their life. The same quality is reflected by most of the Pakistani players who do not wish to improve their skills in any department of the game, they only talk about improvement but never make any sincere effort. I salute the legendary Moin Akhtar for asking the Karachiites to stop mourning the early exit of the "Punjab - Pushtoon Cricket Club" from the world cup. He made a good point that there was no one from Karachi so the people of Karachi must not mourn.

    Mr L. Phakir I am sure your dog must be a Moghul or a Rajput from behind, so why don't you suggest the PCB to make him a Vice Captain? Oh, I see its not a him but a her, so you have a good chance to make her the Captain of the women's cricket team and you can be their coach.

  • Dawar on April 27, 2007, 23:10 GMT

    Mr Nabbu,

    Shoaib M scored against weak teams and speacially in the slow wickets of Pakistan & India. He always become unfit against strong teams specially outside Pakistan. He was unfit against SA (In SA), ICC Champiuons trophy and against Austrlia in (Austrlia). Same policy of A Razzak.

    i wrote this b4 serise against SA

    http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.shtml?125515

    Dawar Most of his scores against Bangladesh, Zimabave & India. OR he scored against west indies in the world cup and Pakistan lost the match regardless his selfish innings of 75 runs.

    He played for himself not for the team. Javed is correct.

  • siraaj ahamed on April 27, 2007, 10:50 GMT

    I think the decision was very good.Shib malik still young good allround cricketer.also he saved more innings of pakistan.i think pakistan want to play strength game on coming every match. i wish shoib malik. i think we come with world cup to abudabi will see good young Pakistani team.

    siraaj ahamed sri lanka-kandy

  • Nadeem on April 27, 2007, 6:13 GMT

    I think instaed of having two vise captains, more important we need contribuition of all centers on fair basis. Please bring players from Hydreabad, Sindh. They desreve to be in the team.

    As a city Hydreabad was always ignored by PCB and all Pakistan Govt. It is used to be # 3 city of Pakistan in size, population and facility but now it is # 9 by facilties and quality. Hydreabad does not have any five start hotel but smaller city than Hydreanad in population like Sialkot, Faislabad, Gugrewala (sorry for mis spell), Multan etc has five stars hotel and they are read for international matches.

    Nadeem

  • jazar wasim on April 29, 2007, 21:12 GMT

    i do realize that malik has already been named as captain and we cant do nethng abt it. bt the plan is still gud since shoaib malik has been more reposnsible in planing long innings az compared by yousif or the stupid n dumb one day payer younis khan. you cant make a captain just because he his energetic in the field. after playing soo many one dayz the average is not very statisfying if you are such a seneoir player. and there is just one cenury in the whole one day careeree...briallantly ridiclous. the idea of vice captin my vote does goes for shoiab akhtar, only because so that he becomes more responsible for the cricket hez playing n stay fit. he has the potential to be a gud cricket player as compared to youis. yousuf is real gud bt i just dnt see the leadership in him. afridi will also be a very smart option

  • asim on April 29, 2007, 15:52 GMT

    Inzy must play test cricket.. he is still the one the best. captainship affected his batting but now when that is not his problem he can really concentrate on playing shots..

    his 92 in SA suggested that its not the time for him to retire..

  • Junaid on April 29, 2007, 9:18 GMT

    You have made some very valid points Kamran. I dont think Asif should be captain for obvious reasons. Do we really want a person who spends more time being questoned then bowling to lead our country? I dont think so

    Junaid Saeed

    Birmingham, UK

  • WASIM SAQIB on April 28, 2007, 16:25 GMT

    Nadeem:

    Do you honestly believe that the Five star hotels built in Sialkot, gujranwala and faisalabad were built by the Government. I understand you want your area to progress,but blame your local politicians or your local businessman that they should pay attention to your city. Secondly You want some players from Hyderabad in the team but you failed to quote their names and credentials,when was the last time hyderabad won a domestic tournament,can you check.

  • Kiran Ahmed - Toronto on April 28, 2007, 6:47 GMT

    Surely by now Kamran, you would have realized you're wrong with your theory of 2 Vice Captains and even worse - to make Afridi one of those 2 VC's. Javed Khan is suffering from a lack of sanity, it happens to desis in Montreal, unfortunately the only treatment would be for him to pack his bags and return to his home in Lallu-Kheit. As for you Kamran, just remember that Pakistan cricket needs stability and youth at this stage - and a young VC like Salman Butt would certainly re-enforce the fact that the PCB is looking ahead not back. Kamran Akmal is another good choice - he seems to have a good head on his shoulders. Nevertheless, Afridi should not even be in the picture, for he is a typical gallery boy - and not a person who the team can rely on to lead by example.

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on April 28, 2007, 4:46 GMT

    Ali Majid at April 24, 2007 2:08 PM you have made some valid points about captaincy, leadership and team spirit. The example of Shane Warne and a few others are worth to be considered not only for the Pakistan team but for any team.

    There is a cultural difference between them and Pakistan, once I called it as bhai culture, that keeps the distance between the juniors and seniors and there was a debate on this issue. Until and unless this barrier is removed the junior players will not consider themselves as equal team mates and won't come up with their ideas and observations. There is also the desired level of education which is lacking in the team and that makes the difference. How can you expect them to be good in devising game plans, formulating strategies being fluid and flexible in making back up and contingency plans unless they are educated?

    Whenever there is a talk about education, refinement, improvement or finesse there is always a resistance from the inner circles. Even on this blog there are people who take so much pride in remaining complacent and call it a unique 'kwalty.' Being unique is different from being educated and people who are more religious must accept that the religion encourages people to learn more and to acquire more knowledge 'though it be in China.' But, whatever and whenever it suits them they like to remain complacent and call it a unique quality. You are absolutely right in saying that for the past 15 years or so the team is full of individuals who are power hungry opportunists and collectively fail to produce a team with a winning combination.

  • Shuja Kidwai on April 28, 2007, 4:10 GMT

    Javed A. Khan you are doing a great job here on this blog by keeping the paindoos on the left. Those who are trying to make fun of you cannot match your wits or the expertise knowledge of cricket that you possess. I always find your analysis very balanced, fair and on the spot. Besides you have a good sense of humour that really hurts the paindoos on the right spot. I can see the inferiority complex some of the dudes here possess and try to make fun of you, actually the problem is with them and its so deep rooted in their psyche and they know that they cannot compete with you so they wish to remain a paindoo all their life. The same quality is reflected by most of the Pakistani players who do not wish to improve their skills in any department of the game, they only talk about improvement but never make any sincere effort. I salute the legendary Moin Akhtar for asking the Karachiites to stop mourning the early exit of the "Punjab - Pushtoon Cricket Club" from the world cup. He made a good point that there was no one from Karachi so the people of Karachi must not mourn.

    Mr L. Phakir I am sure your dog must be a Moghul or a Rajput from behind, so why don't you suggest the PCB to make him a Vice Captain? Oh, I see its not a him but a her, so you have a good chance to make her the Captain of the women's cricket team and you can be their coach.

  • Dawar on April 27, 2007, 23:10 GMT

    Mr Nabbu,

    Shoaib M scored against weak teams and speacially in the slow wickets of Pakistan & India. He always become unfit against strong teams specially outside Pakistan. He was unfit against SA (In SA), ICC Champiuons trophy and against Austrlia in (Austrlia). Same policy of A Razzak.

    i wrote this b4 serise against SA

    http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.shtml?125515

    Dawar Most of his scores against Bangladesh, Zimabave & India. OR he scored against west indies in the world cup and Pakistan lost the match regardless his selfish innings of 75 runs.

    He played for himself not for the team. Javed is correct.

  • siraaj ahamed on April 27, 2007, 10:50 GMT

    I think the decision was very good.Shib malik still young good allround cricketer.also he saved more innings of pakistan.i think pakistan want to play strength game on coming every match. i wish shoib malik. i think we come with world cup to abudabi will see good young Pakistani team.

    siraaj ahamed sri lanka-kandy

  • Nadeem on April 27, 2007, 6:13 GMT

    I think instaed of having two vise captains, more important we need contribuition of all centers on fair basis. Please bring players from Hydreabad, Sindh. They desreve to be in the team.

    As a city Hydreabad was always ignored by PCB and all Pakistan Govt. It is used to be # 3 city of Pakistan in size, population and facility but now it is # 9 by facilties and quality. Hydreabad does not have any five start hotel but smaller city than Hydreanad in population like Sialkot, Faislabad, Gugrewala (sorry for mis spell), Multan etc has five stars hotel and they are read for international matches.

    Nadeem

  • Raja Pakistani on April 27, 2007, 5:59 GMT

    Salman Butt does not have place in the team on Merit. How some folks are considering him for the Vice Captain?

    I do not understand why selectors keep trying same group of openers and the wicket keeper?

    Kamran Akmal should be out from the team. Selectors should watch his video against West Indies (Tour of Pakistan) & South Africa (In SA) series. Terrible keeping!!! Kamran Akmal should replace by wicket keeper batsman Sarfraz Ahmed (Captain of under 19 team, who won the world cup for us)

    Check the record status of Salman Butt in his last 15 one day and test innings. Ask yourself, Dose he deserve slot in the team on merit? Same with Imran Farhat. We are trying them for last three four years and they still out on the same way they were out first time. There are showing no learning curve attitude. We should try new openers like Khurrum Manzoor, Khalid Latif & Babar Naeem. They are doing again well in their current tour of Bangladesh.

    Raja Pakistani Sialkot

  • Imran on April 27, 2007, 4:37 GMT

    Inzi should not be selected in the next test. He did not announce his retirement thats another bad decision by an old man. Board should learn how to take big decisions like dropping players of the likes of Beven and Gillispe.We need bold decisions. Salman butt? who is he? When has he performed? His place is only in Pakistan domestic cricket. Younis should say good bye to one day cricket.

  • guymed on April 26, 2007, 21:46 GMT

    Salman Butt for both forms of the game.

  • Amyn Habib on April 26, 2007, 17:40 GMT

    I am amazed at the incessant peddling of Shahid Afridi by Kamran Abbasi and his acolytes in this blog. There is a serious obsession here. If you are looking to do massive damage to Pakistan Cricket, by all means, make Afridi the vice captain. While you are at it, why not make Darrell Hair the team coach!! Instead of making Afridi the Vice Captain, he and other long term losers like him should be booted out permanently, to make way for cricketers who have some talent and professionalism.

  • zeshan on April 26, 2007, 16:26 GMT

    Shahid Afridi as a Vice-Captain..... Are you people crazzzzzyyyy? After his performance in the beginning of his carrier, did he ever make more than 10 runs for the team? the answer is ....NO....NEVER DID.... My question is why is he still playing in the team...........????????

  • Khizar Hayat Khan on April 26, 2007, 15:09 GMT

    Well Well! That was your Graeme Smith & that was SA. There is no alternative to experience. Now stop arguments about young captain as this strategy has always failed. Examples are Kim Hughes, Lee Jermone, Chris cowdrey etc is there any counter example? Don't tell me that SA's ranking was improved; so was pakistans and Sri Lanka. There is no alternative to experience.

  • naz on April 26, 2007, 12:43 GMT

    shoaib akhter as the captain of pakistan and shahid afridi as vice captain both of the players are ruthless !!! and oppositions are always affraid of them. Look at australia most of there players are ruthless and have got arogence i think one player who can really give australia a hard time is akhter !!! bring him back!!! we need him!

  • Shah on April 26, 2007, 10:57 GMT

    Ello,

    Well, Mr.Abbasi, if you are going to suggest something atleast you could do is make it "reasonable". Why not make everyone captain lol , come on man 2 vice captains , hows that going to work out , this is more like an approach where everyone is a boss of himself. Why stop at 2? there are 11 players Mr.Abbasi, and i think every player should be a captain.

    I am not quite sure what PCB is doing or trying to do because they are getting everything wrong at this time. And Younus Khan is just off the hook.

    No one thinks about the team in pakistan cricket every man for itself.

    great enthuisiam. :D

    Mr.Abbasi , if you write for cricinfo, i would like to offer cricinfo a better deal cause i think i can do if not better but as good as you :)

  • nazir on April 26, 2007, 9:48 GMT

    i want to make shahid afridi as a one day captian hitter of the one team so better to make a captian

  • Harey on April 26, 2007, 8:29 GMT

    I think two vice captain's theory will not work in Pakistan. It's good idea, but in given circumstances unlikely to be fruitful. I think Muhammad Asif best as vice captail.

  • Rasmi Ranjan Nayak, India on April 26, 2007, 7:37 GMT

    I must say ki Md. Yousouf or Younis Khan Should be a good Vice captain. But as Younis denied for both the post so we should go for Md. Yousouf. But as he is a senior player he should be a captain. as PCB provided this post to Mallick. So I don't think he has to do this VC post. So one more option is Shahid Afridi. He is a great player & aggressive also. As far as My knowledge he can play well in Critical session. So give a chance to Afridi. I have see seen his batting against India & recently against SA. Ya He can do well. & Let's see.

  • Armaghan on April 26, 2007, 4:48 GMT

    What's the point? Are we already presuming that Malik isn't a long term solution as the team's captain? Although, I must admit, one feels that Afridi is the kind of character who'd really chance the vice-captaincy/captaincy and taking over that role, might make him a much much more improved cricketer, and we could expect to see a more mature afridi in ODIs.

    P.S : on a light note, australia and sri lanka will play the world cup final, how very charming, and unthought of at the beginning of the world -

    basically, what i want to say is how f*cking predictable. australia to beat srilanka without a whimper.

  • Talha Khan, from Toronto on April 26, 2007, 3:54 GMT

    We should not focused on selection of VC at this stage of Pakistan Cricket. First select real 15 players based on purily merit and out of them select VC "if neccassary". Usually, VC only required when Pakistan team play outside of the country. For domestic series, VC usually not appointed. If someone is planning to make any senior player as deputy of Malik, Pakistan Cricket Players' mentallity must be changed first and they must improve their soft skills i.e. adaptability, obediency towards captain and coach (who ever), interpersonal skills, and must be down to earth.

  • Ahmed aka Phil Jackson on April 26, 2007, 3:42 GMT

    this blog is a "bheer Chal" first y'all wannt pakistan too have a Readymade captain and harmony in the team...with the personalities of our player..Kamran's idea isnt so bad few ppl in the team will keep shut and if Shoaib doest work out you get to pick between 3 ppl instead of 1...Kamran I feel for you ppl are burning you on this perticular blog for no reason...Look at the BIGGER picture instead of burning the man!

  • HARSHA on April 26, 2007, 2:18 GMT

    Mr Abbasi You know it was a poor blog to begin with Waste of time on vice captains just to integrate the team! You seem to run out of issues ( strange at this hour of Pakistan Cricket)

  • Husain on April 26, 2007, 0:14 GMT

    Totally disagree with you. This strategy sounds complete nonsense and useless for the future of Pakistan cricket.

  • Dr Aslam on April 25, 2007, 23:30 GMT

    For heavens sake! PCB is already ALL OUT to ruin pakistan cricket team. If anybody has ever played at any level of any sport, he would be very clear about how the team politics work. Invariably, there are groups and friendships in the team. Afterall, the players are humans. How on earth, some one who has been patronising a new comer in the team, giving him advice, teaching him, even at times asking him to carry a few things as a youngster,would listen to him in a sub ordinate position. And vice versa, how would a junior who ha not been in a position to open his mouth in front of the senior players would lead them. Let us live in the real world and stop living in fool's paradise. They have made someone captain, who does not have a place in the test on merit. Who has not scored 1000 test runs and has only 12 or 14 test wickets. After all what are the credentials. Why don't they make me the Captain? HA.. Ha.. or may be you or you.. It is going to be another shambles. It is not that I am against Malik. Probably I love him for his fighting spirit as a player, but he is not the right man for this at this moment. If the board was too weary of Tablighis, then the better options would have been AKhtar or Afridi. And by the way, Afridi deserves a place in any test or one day side, as an all rounder or singularly, more than all the so called all rounders that Pakistan have.

  • Kabir Shahid Ali on April 25, 2007, 22:42 GMT

    Why is everyone here tearing shreds of Mr Abbasi blog. You should be angry with yourselves not him. Firstly you have been insulting one of your own talented players in Shahid Afridi. Constant ridicule, of your best ODI player and imrpoving test player is a disgrace. If i was Shahid Afridi i would retire just because of what the dumb people in his country say.

    First of all im not a Pakistani. And i have too admit your country sucks at cricket and choosing things. Shoaib Malik is the worst choice i have ever heard. When we all here in New Zealand thought Afridi would be captain we though Pakistan would be world beaters again. Now in my country and in Australia and all over the world we are laughing at Pakitan cricket, because Shoiab Malik is a disgrace.

    Too be a captain you need inspiration, he has none. Afridi doesn't want too be a deputy. No one wants that.

    Malik is uninspirational. His batting is terrible in tests and his bowling is spin that doesn't turn.

    Pakistan should have gone with Shahid Afridi. But once again they have failed too spot the obvious choice. I feel sorry for all you fans because you won't have a good team again for some time.

    Pakistan cricket is in shambles appointing Malik. He is another Inzy, uninspirational. I suggest you get use too tasting defeat. I felt sorry for Pakistan cricket supporters. But after ganging up on Mr Abbassi and constantly degrading Shahid Afridi, who is in my view your most talented player and only player who can perform against Australia and lead Pakistan too being contenders again. Well i have no sympathy for you.

    With appointing Malik. All i can say is continue too watch test matches end within three days, negatively. And watch the world cup without your team playing because they are already home.

    Pakistan cricket brought this on themselves. And there fans are no better for attacking this successful blog writer and more importantly disgustingly attacking Shahid Afridi with dumb, useless and single minded taunts.

  • L. Phakir on April 25, 2007, 22:14 GMT

    You know, I have always been extremely amused by the utter mediocrity of one of the "respected" contributers of your blog - a person you've espoused wherever you could. This Javed A Khan person, the other day, was actually explaining to people how some dude called "Younis Khan" on this blog was an imposter. The nutter was getting pretty worked up about it too. The sarcasm was totally lost on the pea-brain. Then many-a-time this nitwit is picking up spelling mistakes and what not in people's writings. And to top it all off, this guy has a forced/awkward written english expression. My dog's IQ is 20. She can do a better job at writing blogs than this Javed A Khan character. And she won't even need a thesaurus. Seriously! To this day, I could never understand why you would let such a terrific mediocrity of the mind loose on your blog.

    However, this 'disgustipated' [:P] blog entry puts everything in perspective now.

    (As always, you won't publish this since you're too offended to face up to this with integrity and grit)

  • Haroon on April 25, 2007, 21:50 GMT

    this is very ridiculous, if a senior player is not willing to cooperate, then drop him. Do not make VC for the sake of seniority. VC should be the one who can be a potential candidate to be a captain one day. Otherwise PCB will face the same dilemma as of Younis Khan. Drop the ego-centric players from the team. But do not judge them on the basis of seniority.

  • Burhan on April 25, 2007, 20:59 GMT

    WE DON'T NEED TWO VICE CAPTAINS. We just need one captain and one vice captains like any other team in ICC. I think malik is going to be a good captain and PCB should give him a young vice captain. I know people like some of our senior but they all look like they are going down hill. We need new faces and all this talks about Jealousy and politics away from our cricket, they should just play their game and keep this junior and senior B.S to there self. As a Pakistani cricket fan I just want our team looking professional who will do their best to win games.

  • Prasad on April 25, 2007, 20:52 GMT

    I don't agree with the 2 VC theory. Placating egos is no reason to create unnecessary confusion in leadership. I don't understand why Mohd Yusuf wasn't made captain in the first place, with Shoaib Malik being groomed as VC for both tests and ODIs. Yusuf has been pakistans best, most disciplined, and ego-less batsman and has earned the captaincy.

  • SOHAIL AJAZ on April 25, 2007, 20:34 GMT

    Well, the article is very well written, though the idea of two vp's does not seem very convincing, especially the reasoning provided is not that compelling. I guess Asif will be a perfect choice. For discipline, PCB must make it 100% clear to the senior players that they should show discipline and the era of senior-junior set up should end. Players should be respected for their performance and skill and not for seniority and white beard :) Captain should stop calling the players as boys and players should stop standing and offering their chair when captain comes near them( i saw on tv rana standing up and offering his chair to inzi in a very obsequious manner).

  • Gugu on April 25, 2007, 20:23 GMT

    Dr. Abbasi, this time you have come up with Abul-bakwas!

  • Ali Asim - Saginaw, Michigan USA on April 25, 2007, 18:58 GMT

    NASEERUDDIN SUHAIL. Dude, where do you get your weed from? Afridi and Razzaq are better allrounders than Shoaib Malik? Give me a break. Razzaq had lost his mojo years back and he's just a HUGE liability on the team now. And about Afridi, well let me tell you the truth, the opposing teams cheer more than us when they see him walk up the crease. He's a "laparoo" and so is your Mr Razzaq. Shoaib on the other hand has been holing the middle order like glue since years now and have you forgotten him marshalling the chases with class from one down position for so long and I will never forgive the PCB management for the stupid decission to take him off that position. He is so talented that he performed at every position he was offered to bat at. Afridi is a good ODI bowler I'd give him that, but thats it. Shoaib has got the best cricketing mind among our current players and I'm not the only one who thinks that way. Its been spotted by some of our elite and saner ex players and our ex/slain coach Bob Woolmer. Now if anyone still prefers Razzaq or Afridi over Shoaib then I would suggest them to change your suppier, your current supplier has been hooking you up with some wrong weed bro.

  • saad on April 25, 2007, 18:41 GMT

    afridi is not consistent..hasnt shown responsibility since his debut..and razzak is not a leader...u can tell by looking at him on the field...shoaib malik is the perfec choice...and there shud only be one vice captain which i guess shud be M.yousuf, it wud give him some appreciation as he has experience and is the most consistent player in the team rite now, and can lead by example. as far as filling up spaces for the other players is considered...then not a lot shud be changed...it will just make things worse for shoaib malik and pakistan...a few changes are required, example: faisal iqbal, or yasir hameed in place of inzi..that is because both have had some RECENT outings with pakistan...and wud adjust easily...pakistan shudnt have a whole new squad...it shud have a few changed...and shud groom the young players and the captain...a whole inexperinced side wudnt go anywhere....pakistans pace bowling attack si not what it used to be...and even with asif back it wudnt be the best in the world...shoaib akhtar definaltey sud be back whenever hes available..he can win u a match on his day and has EXPERIENCE...which the team is lacking after younis and inzi wont be available...

  • Ash Zed on April 25, 2007, 17:31 GMT

    Yes, I tend to agree with you. Captain and vice captain should be appointed keeping in view of the next 5 to 7 years. In addition to this, following conditions should be applied for selection in Pak team.

    1. No one with affiliation of tablighi jamat should be permitted to hold any position in the team or within PCB. 2. Anyone having uncontrolled beard like Mushtaq, Yousef and Inzi should be banned. 3. Beard must be discouraged. 4. If at all someone cannot live without a beard, it must be well maintained and trimmed. 5. Captain and Vice Captain must have reasonable fluency in English language so that they can speak to media and public. 6. Open exhibition of religious sentiments must be stopped at all. 7. Whenever anyone has to offer his prayers, it must be done in private and should not be on public display. 8. All players must respect people of other religions/beliefs. They must bear in mind that their main objective is to play cricket rather than spreading Islam. If they are so interested spreading Islam, of course they can do so but first leave cricket.

    Reason why I am so particular about this because the whole team travelled to West Indies on PCB cost to play cricket but they got engaged in tablighi work. All tablighi work must not be performed at PCB’s expenses. If Inzi & Co are so interested to serve Islam, ask them to pay ticket/hotel from their own pocket.

  • Raja on April 25, 2007, 17:30 GMT

    In current circumtances, better to have two Captains, no vice captain.

    Other option to restrict the role of Captain. Coach should be the one who will make all important decisions.

  • zoya hadid on April 25, 2007, 17:21 GMT

    Kamran ? are you alright ? overworked perhaps? is everything ok with you ? I am sure the thought of ten captains and one vice captain has also crossed your superior mind but honey, that can not be...you can have your two vice captains though. How about inzi as vice captain ?

  • Daniya Shah on April 25, 2007, 17:19 GMT

    I think Salman Butt should be the Vice Captain and then he can take over from Malik after a few years. Salman LOOKS like a leader! Unlike people like Afridi,Razzaq,Yousef and co - Afridi looks like a loser and behaves like one too - the less said about his batting the better, Razzaq has been a burden on the team for years but becoz he was Allu-Tableegh Inzamam's boy he was always in the team - he looks like a confused mouse..doesent know whether to wear a cap or a helmet so ends up wearing BOTH! Oh and as far as Yousef is concerned..the biggest thing going against him besides his age is his beard. We've already gone through the Inzamam nightmare so Yousef with that beard has no way of making it to the Vice Captaincy. Salman all the way - he's young, cute, handsome, a good batsman, and I met him at the Eaton centre in Toronto last December - he was sooooo nice! And he can speak AWESOME English too!

  • Farooq - From Singapore on April 25, 2007, 16:58 GMT

    Strongly Disagree with the idea of two vice captains.

    Yousuf is a team player. If he's not given the chance to lead the side, he is happy to contribute as a batsman.

    Best Vice Captain would be Mohammad Asif. Even Salman Butt has not shown matuarity at International Level. And I wonder why Asif was kept out of Captaincy Hat. He deserved that but may be overlooked due to JUST one year of experience. Though he is playing like half Wasim Akram , full of Intelligence and I am sure if Malik fails, he will be the captain.

    So, Mr Abbasi, plzzzzzzzzzzz drop this idea of 2 vice captains.

    Lets have only one, Muhammad Asif :)

    What do u say ????????

  • Nabbu on April 25, 2007, 15:37 GMT

    Hi these stats are for those supporting afridid for VC he does not deserve a place in the side look at the stats for ODI 2006 and then think i have taken the stats of bowling and batting of five Players Afridi,Shoaib Malik,Razzaq,Rana & Hafeez by the war for Javed Montrial wala sahab, Shoaib Malik was the highest run scorer for Pakistan for ODI in 2006 (just for your information) PAKISTAN ONE DAY Batting Stats for year 2006

    Name Mat I Runs HS Ave SR 100 50

    Afridi 18 15 115 23 7.66 83.33 - -Rana 20 12 112 27 14.00 79.43 - - Hafeez 12 12 255 92 23.18 78.22 - 1 Malik 22 22 638 108 33.57 78.18 1 3 Razzaq 23 19 455 75* 37.91 77.64 - 2

    PAKISTAN ONE DAY Bowling Stats for year 2006

    Name Mat R W Ave Best 4w SR Econ Rana 20 813 29 28.03 4-43 3 30.1 5.58 Malik 22 360 11 32.72 3-35 - 39.8 4.93 Afridi18 562 14 40.14 3-37 - 52.4 4.59 Razzaq 23 826 20 41.30 4-50 1 47.1 5.25 Hafeez 12 206 4 51.50 1-21 - 81.5 3.79

    Look at the stats and think its time to drop so called utility players inconsistent is the word to define the performance of Afridi its time to gie him a break WHATS UR THOUGHT

  • Numaan on April 25, 2007, 14:24 GMT

    I see no reason why Afridi should even be part of the Pakistan team, He was had 10 years, as someone eliquently put it, to blossom. What makes you think he will blossom over the next 4 years!? I also believe the TEAM needs to relieved of INDIVIDUAL arrogant players such as Younis khan, bring in younger players start from scratch not rehash what you have already. I think the vice captain has to be a thinking player someone who commands repect and provides moments of brilliance for the TEAM and for me it has to be Asif, he's very level headed and actually uses his brain when playing in different conditions the same can not be said of most of the pakistan team!

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on April 25, 2007, 13:52 GMT

    The more the merrier - why restrict them to the test side only? Have three captains and six vice captains for every form of the game? Keep a few more back up vice captains in case of injuries and failure to perform. Or make every player a VC.

    Oh, come on people please don't back up this Kamstein Theory of Cricketivity summed up as S=VC2 where S = S***.

    Like, I said in my first post on this thread that, Kamran Abbassi is short of a subject and he came up with this brilliant idea and created this thread. Upon seeing the reactions of some of the regulars who have condemned it, he came back to support his own bonkers idea by saying Two vice captains might be a bonkers idea but it might work. ref. his post "Kamran Abbasi at April 24, 2007 5:39 PM". I wonder how it will work? He is still not sure and saying it might workaNO I didn't fell, see my feet aren't touching the ground." Secondly, if you are selling an idea, simply don't own it, believe in it as an excellent idea - and then sell. Poor marketing effort Kamran Abbassi. :-)

    Ashaq I can see that you are showing some kinda collateral affinity towards the rays of the sun and once again spreading "Bhaiism" and also trying to strengthen the Jones & James Bonds with the help of some 'pseudo glue'. I suggest you to restrict this kinship of 'brudda & cysta' pseudonyms to your 'halaqas'. Someone at the Uni bruited what he over heard at a halaqa group in progress, the so-called brudda was peeping out in to the women's section and upon asking what he is looking for? He replied, "I am looking for a good sista to get married." LOL at this notion. And you better be straightforward in your approach Ashaq or else you will remain a Mashaq ( 'Mashooq' ) and not a hubby for the rest of your loife. ;-)

    And my dear Shahzaday Ali Khan, you can keep that "Baby Malik" poster in your bedroom and keep admiring him all day and all night. ahmad shah mian at April 24, 2007 11:44 PM has rightly commented about him as "Mummy Daddy" lookalike baby.

    Two of the three selectors viz., Salahuddin Ahmad and puppet Jaffer are from Karachi and they already got what they were dying to get since the last few decades i.e., some media attention and they were given a task to choose a captain between the two AP's; one is a Angry Pathan and the other is a Arrogant Punjabi. and they said, "jis ka namak khaya usko vote doh." What a Duh!

  • Haider S on April 25, 2007, 12:49 GMT

    In that case we should have 2 presidents, 2 prime ministers and 2 PCB chiefs and so on and so forth. Come on Kamran....lets be practical here!!!

  • Rick on April 25, 2007, 12:44 GMT

    Dear Kamran, Pakistan Cricket would be better served if left alone. Too many cooks spoil the food. Lets see what the Board decided and give players a chance. At the end of the day all matters is who plays and whether they play as team or individuals. Captains in pakistan have never got unity and so there will be some one unhappy person in the team. May be you should start an article on cricket set up for young ones.

  • sohail Khan on April 25, 2007, 12:35 GMT

    Kamran, I think the way that Yousaf batted in the world cup, irresponsibly to say the least and I refer to the way he was trying to get out against the West Indies when Inzi was trying to get a partnership going, mitigates him from being captain. I would go Shoib as captain and Razzak as V.C. Finally, I would like to just say why I thought that the 1992 World Cup was the best, not only because we won, but because it was also exciting and not protracted as it is now. Also, I will never forget how Inzi batted in that semi-final. The joys of youth, without a helmet, and blistering strokes all around. He made me proud to be a Pakistani, and I will always say he was the best Pakistani batsmen. Inzi zindabad!

  • Dr. Irfan Aziz, KU on April 25, 2007, 12:30 GMT

    Why are we repeating the same mistake as we did in the past?? We should focus on grooming the new talent, find fresh legs (especially the fast bowlers) on the domestic front!!

  • Ali Majid on April 25, 2007, 12:17 GMT

    All the guys calling for Shoaib Akhtar to be the captain can you pls just pause and think about what you are saying. This guy has let the country down on innumerable occasions and making him captain will just add to the ever growing list of Shoaib Akhtar let downs. Quite frankly the worst decison that can be taken under the circumstances is to make a guy like Akhtar the captain.

  • M Ajmal on April 25, 2007, 12:12 GMT

    Two vice-captains theory would be another farce on part PCB. Well Mr Abbassi, you make sense most of the times, but this time its really nonsense. This blog is probably written to fill the blogs segment of cricinfo. There can only be one vice captain, and that is Afridi. I said Afridi becaz we have lost our instinct of coming from behind, and are becoming more predictable in losing now than winning. Coming from behind, and surprising others was unique to Pakistan team for most part of 90s and we want to regain that. If we find Afridi becoming consistent, then replace Malik with him, and the riddle is solved.

  • Mahadevan on April 25, 2007, 11:52 GMT

    These players have to work under some unknown individual - young or old - if they sign up for county cricket or play club cricket else where. What does the county cricket management do to keep the venerable 'seniors' on board? A player must excel himself only by proving that he is a fierce competitor onfield. To be selected to represent the country itself is an honour and the player must strive to work for that. If his ego has to be satisfied, that itself must disqualify him from representing the nation. What was the sham strategy which made Malcolm Marshall, Glenn McGrath etc. to do well? They were not made captain or vice-captain.

  • sakib on April 25, 2007, 11:22 GMT

    At this moment, we cant even think of one Vice-Captain, how can we think of two !!!!? Piculiar !!

    Vice Capt has to be a young one who is consistent in both games & has a future potential. But for now Pakistan has no one good for this, as Salman Butt is not a confirm player. So, i think PCB should wait a bit for that obvious choice...But in case of Malik's absence(injury or anything) there has to be a someone to captain. So, for that case make Afridi as a vice-captain. (FOR EMERGENCY PURPOSE). That may bring responsibility in Afridi that is missing.

    And, also, AFRIDI & IMRAN NAZIR should play both Test & ODI. PCB PLEASE dont make mistake by dropping them too often. Because ultimately everytime you have to turn up to them when others fail. And also, Inzamam should play test for a while along with yusuf & yunus. And young players r coming & going to push them automatically, so keep the competition going on. Please keep an aye on ASIF & support him well for any problem. Because, he maybe the biggest asset of Pakistan Bowling after WASIM Akram & future leader.

  • ali on April 25, 2007, 11:20 GMT

    well as far as afridi is concern dunt think it does make any sence 2 me,well yousaf is my ist choice cos he is good touch in both ODI and test cricket,AND beside this he can be a good leader just nt becauz dat he is performing well.becouz he spend 2 much time in cricket and he can handle all upps and downs wich oftnely come 2 face..secondly i dunt think so malik can handle both angry palyers like afridi and shoaib,cant say any more because no one goona hear my say,,

  • Naeem on April 25, 2007, 10:57 GMT

    Kamran, This will not work. You need one and only one captian and the same with the vice captain. How can you say Afridi is not a good test player. His test record is better then his ODI record. Also Yousuf will still be valid as a ODI player and at least we have one position filled up in the batting order even in this situation. I dont care who is vice captain but it has to be only one guy and not two.

  • haris khan on April 25, 2007, 10:48 GMT

    i cant understand this article honestly. Can you please rewrite and break it for me mr abbasi? coz i cant really find any kind of common sense in it.

  • Amran on April 25, 2007, 10:48 GMT

    Mr Abbasi, I really am not a fan of this idea, Ingenious as it sounds I feel for continuity the selection panel should appoint a single vice captain. In an earlier post I said Mohammed Hafeez, I still subscribe to this theory, Both Malik and Hafeez are intelligent thinking players who will complement each other. Also with refernce to a psot my an earlier reader with Fawad Alam playing at number 5 in tests as well as ODI there are three players to share the remaining 10 overs in one day cricket.

  • NASEERUDDIN SUHAIL on April 25, 2007, 10:43 GMT

    Keeping in mind the excellent performances of all the batsmen, it would be a great advice for the PCB to appoint any batsman either from Bangladesh or Srilanka as the future coach of our so called super star batsmen like Inzi, Yousuf, Younis, Shoaib & Kamran Akmal who together, perhaps, have played more than 1000 One Dayers & Test Matches !!!

  • Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on April 25, 2007, 10:30 GMT

    LOL @ ..... Ashaq at April 25, 2007 1:36 AM (Hilarious, thanks for the entertainment Ashaq Bhai).

    Informative and very well said ..... M. SHAHID GUL at April 25, 2007 5:45 AM (you proved your case very well).

    This is the Best Blog on the net !!

  • Asad ; Toronto on April 25, 2007, 10:05 GMT

    I dont quite agree with the idea. Pakistan cricket is currently seeking a fresh start and needs to stabalize itself. Just the sound of two vice-captains sounds destablizing. Vice captain is there to groomed as a captain and in the process help out the captain, assist him. There is no question of gooming MoYo. He is a senior and will earn more respect if he remains a senior of the team as simply a batsman and impart if he has any experience on offer for youngsters to learn. He shouldnt harbour any aspirations of becoming a future captain. Since he is not the future of Pakistan cricket. Hence, we need one captain who stays the captain for long enough. Stephen Flemming just retired after 10 years or so. Lost more match then he won for his side, but not many would oppose when i say that i think he is one of the best captains in interntional cricket. G.Smith was young captain, 12tests old(if i remember correctly). SHoaib Malik is the perfect choice and should be the captain till the next world cup and perhaps beyond. Pakistan needs to adopt a professional approach. Pleasing a senior player is out of question. These senior players have done much wrong the cricket mad nation already by giving us heart breaks. There is no pleasing them case anymore. If he is still not happy and cant or doesnt perform well and be coherent with in the Pakistan outfit under Shoaib Malik, then i am afraid he might be needed to shown the door. I mean think about it, wasnt Kallis playing under Smith, isnt jaysuriya playing under mahela. You are a cricketer you gotta play the game for the love of it, for the loving being in the green and out in the field representing Pakistan, it doesnt get much bigger then that for Paki. Who is the captain and who is the vice captain is a strategic question to be decided in the best intrest of Pakistans, individual likes and dislikes cant influence such decisions. So Shoaib Malik being the right choice, the vice captains position, hmmmmm... Salmaan Butt.. well you need to be in the team to be the vice captain. I think he might be a future leader, but lets bring him back first, let him settle down and he still hase many a years ahead of him, so we will get to him later. Asif very fresh very new,but yeah a real fighter a real intelligent smart cricketing brain, the most probable choice. Thought of Afridi is tempting though. Being a big Afridi fan, i love the idea, but to be honest its been years and years, yet Afridi has the same folly. The temprament , its still a question. Still goes around whacks em around , his style though but yeah same result two , three or four sixes and he is out... result the bowler won. Maybe the extra responsibility might change him. His attacking approach might be more then handful for the captain while rallying the troops in the field. Might bring in some agression. SO its a tough question, but having given the experience Afridi has. I think he has the edge over Asif for now, and he would be my choice. Having said that, its nice and refreshing to see there are quite a few possibilities in the future, there are youngsters who look like maturing into good leaders for the future. These might be the dark times, but there is definately light at the end of the tunnel. BY the way, just another thought. Asif? Vice captiain? fine but i hope he will be back in the team, the whole doping issue is out of the news, i hope so is the nandrolone from Asif, and Shoaibs system, but cant be sure. Lets not forget why those two missed the worldcup.

    FInally just a thought, Shoaib Akhtar, the worlds fastest bowler, ... what if he was more consistent meaning lesser injuries, what if there was no nandrolone, what if his attitude wasnt a problem.... What a fascinating thought of him leading the team..... but that i guess is all that a Paki fan can do.. Fascinate .!!....

  • Saaim on April 25, 2007, 9:58 GMT

    samd u joker, how can u want salman to be captain when he aint even a regular in the squad. I dont think your a big cricket fan.

  • Ismail on April 25, 2007, 8:25 GMT

    Why stop at 2? Let's have 3 vice captains. One for twenty-20 matches. What do you say, Mr Abbasi?

  • Jay on April 25, 2007, 8:11 GMT

    I must say I am thrilled to hear that Shoaib Malik has been appointed as your Captain. Not because I am a huge fan of him or anything, but for the huge positive signals that this move sends. I wish e in India had done something like this. Let Malik not be judged in haste. Let him be given a specific tenure,a nd let us all be patient with him. To avoid controversies, friction and the hue egos that we in the subcontinent exhibit more than others, it might be a good idea not to name any vice-capatin, but rather have the seniormost player take over when Malik is injured. Or alternatively, go for Kamran Akmal as the v-c.

  • NASEERUDDIN SUHAIL on April 25, 2007, 8:07 GMT

    First of all, to appoint Shoaib as the future captain is not the best choice. In my view, on merit and records, Abdul Razzak and Afridi are much better than Shoaib and they have proved that time and again. Both abdul Razzak & Afridi are much better all rounders then Shoaib as both have given excellent all round performances in lot of matches as compared to Shoaib. Their contribution in matches which Pakistan won is far more than Shoaib. I would be a great idea if Abdul Razzak be appointed as a captain & Afridi his deputy.

  • Kashif Qadir on April 25, 2007, 8:05 GMT

    Boy ohh Boy, something like this from you, hmm ... Well simply it is not going to work. The only way you can tell Yousuf to shutup and start playing is making him a senior players without any responsibility. otherwise he will think if i was not good enough to be a captain then why vice captain. Secondly i beleive his career is going to end in next 3 to 5 years, considering he keeps fit. Afridi not my choice, he is not consistent enough. Pakistan vice captain should be someone with following critrias. 1) Consistent member of both teams. Automatic selection. 2) Young and energatic. 3) Must be looked in long run then short term

    If PCB is going to finish Malik soon then there is no point of having another young vice captain. Only if Pakistan board is thinking about Malik the way SA thought about SMith then i would suggest to have someone with above criteria as vice captain. Otherwise i cant see anyone.

  • Mohammad Ghazanfar on April 25, 2007, 7:53 GMT

    Assalam va aleekum, I think there should be one vice captain. and inzamam should play test cricket for about an year atleast, and make some runs or get pakistan a series win, a record or something, like that of Mohammad yousaf last year, and than retire....

  • Shazad Ali Khan ( Johannesburg, South Africa) on April 25, 2007, 6:36 GMT

    This Javed.Khan fellow from 'Montreal' seems to have a 'thing' for Afridi. Maybe it's a crush, who knows! Point is, his defense of Afridi is quite amusing as it is devoid of facts, figures and common sense. The less said about it the better. Professionalism is what gets you Captaincy or Vice Captaincy positions, not seniority or the fact that the Gallery crowd, who know nothing about cricket except wanting 4's and 5's, are fans of Afridi. Afridi will never get the Vice Captaincy and rightly so. He does not deserve it. Javed Khan may want to stand in line and get Afridi's autograph the next time he sees him, and perhaps that will help settle him a bit. As far as Malik goes, I find it laughable that Javed Khan is quoting the one shot Malik played to get out against Zimbabwe. That just shows the desperation he faces in trying to find facts against Malik. Quite amusing! :)

  • Mohsin Hameed Khan on April 25, 2007, 6:26 GMT

    A good team and a good captain are the least of Pakistan Crickets worries. The root of our woes lie in our management, i think only blaming cricketers for their poor performance is not the only reason why our team is in shambles. we have a weak management that lacks professionalism, the fact that our board runs on ad-hoc basis is ridiculous. Even an average team that does not have superstars or huge egos like our cricketers do, can do well provided that the team has the support of the people behind the team i.e the management, half the time the board does not know what to do.

    Secondly, making shoaib malik captain was not a wise choice. we have are priorities completely mixed up, shoaib malik is probably made captain looking towards the next world cup. but what about seniors like M.yousuf whose performance backs his being made captain, i cannot comment on how he would captain but i think he has enough experience to make it work.

    my first choice would be Younis Khan but he does not want to be captain, and according to me a player who can turn down such an honour doesnot need to play in the team.

    Mr Kamran Abbasi, sir, i have great respect for you and your work, but hearing this suggestion for 2 vice captains is very dissapointing. This is Pakistan cricket we are talking about not a brother-brother rivalry where the elder gets jealous of the younger, sir, professionalism is something that is excpected from these players i dont see jayasuria or attapatu making an issue playing under jayawerdene. i dont see tendulkar or ganguly making an issue playing under dravid, you know what the reason for these players being so disciplined is, because they play for their country and their respective boards are greater then the individual players and that is how it is supposed to be. Sir, i think we need professionalism in Pakistan Cricket, so that we dont have to give players responsibility so that their self esteems are not dented, and i am extremely dissapointed that you even made such a comment, i hope you were joking.

  • M. SHAHID GUL on April 25, 2007, 5:45 GMT

    My dear friends, Why looking at AFridi's ODI batting average and failures. Suppose anyone of you is a selector and is selecting the ODI team. With total honesty, you may not pick him as a batsman. Now come to the bowling options. Afridi walks into the ODI team because of his bowling only. In my opinion, he is the third best bowler that Pakistan has at the moment. When he is selected as a bowler, why blame him as a batsman. Doing so, will actually relieve him of the extreme pressure and highest expectations. Now the test side. He must not miss the cut on performance. No way. Look at the statistics. He averages 37.40 from 26 matches (46 innings) at a strike rate of 86.13(test cricket is not the same old slow game), with 5 centuries and 8 fifties. Thats impressive. In addition to that, he has 47 wickets @ 34.89. He is improving every time, if selected. His batting averages in tests in different years are as follows: Year 2000: 30.00 Year 2002: 37.20 Year 2005: 42.50 Year 2006: 43.66 That proves the improvement. When it comes to the fourth inning of the test match, when the batting is tough and run scoring is difficult, Afridi scores at an excellent average of 51.80(When going gets tough, the TOUGH gets going). That's great. His average does not fall considerably when away, as is the case with so many other players. He averages 38.22 at home and 35.70 away. HOW CAN HE MISS THE CUT? Below is his comparison with some other players who play purely as a batsman, having played similar no. of test matches: TEST PLAYER MATCHES INNINGS AVERAGE CENTURIES SHAHID AFRIDI 26 46 37.4 5 IMRAN FARHAT 27 51 33.1 2 FAISAL IQBAL 18 32 25.76 1 SALMAN BUT 14 26 29.88 2 YASIR HAMEED 20 39 35.88 2 Decision is yours. But I still don't agree with the idea of making Afridi Captain or even a VC. Don't further pressurize him. Let him blossom. BEST WISHES FOR ALL

  • farrukh on April 25, 2007, 5:43 GMT

    Saying Mo Yo should be the vice captain until a suitable vice captain is found, is just like let Kamran Abbasi run this blog,until a more sane person is found!!

    Kamran,when you keep silent people think you are a fool,but when you talk,it is confirmed!! Lets find a captain who can get a place in the team, what to talk about 2 vice captains.

  • farrukh on April 25, 2007, 5:36 GMT

    Sorry, pretty dumb article.Do you really have to cook weird ideas to keep this blog alive? Is this a requirement by Cricinfo?

    We have picked a new captain who becomes injured when the pitches are fast and scores centuries on flat pitches.What if he fails, which he is going to, are we going to axe the captain? Well the world shall have another good laugh at us!!Then the world will go into hysterical amusement when the captain and 2 vice captains will not be selected due to poor performance !!

  • Bikram, Nepal on April 25, 2007, 5:11 GMT

    Kamran, its always interesting to read ur articles but i dont know what happened to you these days so that you became with such BAKBAS idea. I think vice captian is made to take the captain in future when required but the idea of Yusuf is totally funny. If he is not suitable for captain this time then why he is deputised to Malik??????? It could be just the insult of Legend. The idea of Afridi is also not strong because whether captain or vice captain that should be appointed from 1st playing 11 not from outside. Afridi has still to prove himself though I am a fan of him.

  • Harris on April 25, 2007, 4:50 GMT

    I don't see how two vice captains would be productive to the team. Pakistan cricket team has a genetic tendency to split into sub-clans within the team and appointing people as vice captains who are senior to the captain will split the team in three groups and you can say goodbye to any hopes you may have for domination of the cricketing world.

    I think it's a good time to appoint a youngster as a vice captain and lets give Malik a free hand to lead the team without any fears of revolts within the team. As far as Yousaf is concerned, he is destined for greatness and extra pressure of any leadership role on him may be counter productive for him.

  • mustafa on April 25, 2007, 4:42 GMT

    The theory seems good but not practical,lets just say,it only sits well as a theory. Younis would have been an ideal choice but the news of the dressing room is that senior players like the hypocrite maulana,yoyo,seasoned medium pace allrounder,meter pathan from karachi,the famous bald medium pacer who gets younger in age on paper with every passing day,the slippery gloves of the team hunted in pairs.They strongly opposed every idea of younis and he is a smart enough to realise that the seniors would leave no stone unturned to make him a failure. Malik is a wily character in the paki outfit & mrraja rightly advocated that only the board can make him a successful captain with their support.In my opnion,the speedster mr.akhtar should be made the deputy,as he is hungry to play cricket,is not part of paki cricket politics and he dosent have many years of cricket left in him.If entrusted with the role of deputy of malik,he would cherish the role of being in spotlight if malik is out due to an injury.Moreover, you need a person in charge who is imposing personality for the opposition.Till the time he retires,malik would have hopefully cemented his position as a captain. Other wise ideal recipe would have been Younis as the main man with fiery Akhter as his deputy.

  • Shalini Jayawardena on April 25, 2007, 4:31 GMT

    Why do you have to be so harsh on Inzi? After Aravinda de Silva he is still my favorite. Having to see many take such a harsh stand on him is surely not pleasant to someone like me who can no longer see both Ara and Inzi in action!

  • Dr Khan, Australia on April 25, 2007, 3:49 GMT

    The given suggestions appear SO, SO Great, provided we have nothing to ponder upon. It is a wise say to not say a word, better keep quiet(speech of wisdom) and not throw(spoiled) the ink around! Regards

    Dr Khan

  • faisal khan on April 25, 2007, 3:39 GMT

    what is gone wrong with you Kamran!?

    2 vice-captains!!!...we would give another reason for the world to laugh at!!

    First of all as I said before, its a big mistake to make Malik test captain when he is not even test match standard!

    and I dont understand this world cup planning crap! is that what all the planning should be for? what about numerous ODis and esp test series in between?

    I think Yousuf should have been made captain (whether he lasts till the next damn WC or not!) and Malik vice captain...

    that would have made the most sense and thats the way u would get the likes of Akhtar, Younis, Razzak and Afridi to play for pakistan!

    i dont blame players who are far more talented and far more experienced refusing to play under Malik...

  • RSN on April 25, 2007, 3:31 GMT

    my suggestion 1)Deputy vice captain - in ODIs for 2nd /3rd powerplay field placings 2)Asst.Vice captain - in tests between tea and final session 3)Deputy vice captain (W) - to manage the press after any defeat 4)Deputy vice captain(L) - to manage press after any defeat 5)Sr.Vice captain - One who wants to become captain in future 6)Jr.vice captain - One who is good friend of both Sr.vice captain and the vice captain..

    come on Kamran, captain is as good as the team,team is as good as the captain. don't expect miracles by beauraucracy

  • Kabir, LosAngeles on April 25, 2007, 3:14 GMT

    Two vice captain idea is not going to work. especially in Pakistan Team. then you have to deal with "too many chief and no indians" Pakistan team always been known for infighting. As you can see some palyers are already excusing themselves from their upcoming series against SriLanka.Watching the current SriLankan team play, I think lot of team specially Pakistan, India and bangladesh has lot to learn from them. Their team work, respect for each other, and rally behind their captain is something of an eample for rest of the cricket world.

  • EAMIRAN on April 25, 2007, 2:59 GMT

    1 VC or 4 - does it matter? As long as the same rabble continues to play alongside the few core players things will not improve; however as many have already commented, it can deteriorate the situation even further. IMO we have to get rid of the excess baggage in the team, including the captain and the ever popular candidate for the VC. Speaking of ever popular, what has this candidate done in the umpteen years that he has played? Has he ever arrested a collapse? Has he played a match winning knock under pressure? Or taken a 10 wicket haul(for those who support his bowling). His popularity and playing style is probably directly linked with MTV's ubiquitous legacy in everyday life - short, sharp, frenetic images geared towards even shorter attention spans. Little substance and ultimately dissatisfying. His fans come to see him play and not Pakistan. When he gets out, there is a mass exodus from the stadiums. He will tease briefly and then fail to deliver 99 times out of 100. Imagine waiting for hours to see this man for the briefest of moments. What does that say about his fans, besides the fact that they are true fans? There is a saying and it goes something like this:

    Fool me once - shame on you Fool me twice - shame on you Fool me three times - shame on me

    This man has fooled the nation for far too long - shame on us.

  • Mahadevan on April 25, 2007, 1:57 GMT

    I can't agree with you, Mr: Kamran. These strategies don't work in international cricket where we have to foster professionalism. Measures should be made to minimise the tussles by the seniors. As professionals and patriots, they must know their responsibility and play for the nation.

  • farhan on April 25, 2007, 1:51 GMT

    Hi every one, One question i want to ask? has any one seen the under19 world cup, where pakistan beat india, infact at one point india were ''6 for 9'' runs thanks to ANWER ALI? well if you don't know the name just watch the highlights of the spell he bowled. Remember those two deliveries Wasim bowled in 1992 world cup final which still puts smiles on our faces,they were nothing infront of the deliveries this kid has bowled. he is simply out of this world and i am really surprised why no selector or any PCB official have ever mentioned his name.Back to the question why is he still not even being considered for trials for the National team when we have only one genuine world class fast bowler and one seamer in the team and both cannot play until God knows when............ and good luck to Shoaib Malik i hope he use his head along with his bat.

  • Ashaq on April 25, 2007, 1:36 GMT

    We seem to be going around in circles here: 2 vice-captains Vs 1Vice-Captain. Malik Vs Afridi Vs Yousaf. Beards vs No Beards. Englsh Vs Urdu. Shakespeare Vs Ghalib. Foreign coach Vs Domestic Coach. Toronto Vs Montreal. Karachi vs Punjab. The Pindus vs The City Dwellers. My personal favourite Kiran Ahmed vs Javed.A.Khan. Javed Bhai Your getting completely out boxed. It looks age is catching up my brother. As the saying goes "first you lose the rhythm then you lose the rhyme, finally you fall victim to Father time".Looks like the "bibis"Know far more about cricket then you are giving credit Javed Bhai.It's brilliant to see the sisters participating on this blog,and putting the Brother's like Javed.A.Khan in their place.

    Kamran I think all things considered.A far more interesting topic for your next thread would be, Sarfraz Nawaz Vs Everyone.

  • Naveed on April 25, 2007, 1:29 GMT

    Kamran We need people with charactor to lead the team. Someone who leads from front. Afridi can dnace on the pitch or flash his bat at the speactator rather than be a responsible captain. Salman Butt from what I have seen of him is a good talent but doesn't seem to have a cricketing mind and not a permanat member of the team, we can't repeat the same that we did in 90's make someone a captain to bring him in the side!. Shoaib Malik on the other hand is a good choice. And Mohammad Yousaf has a lot of one day years left in him too. I have huge doubt's if we will find a replacement of Inzi, b'ce I don't see anyone filling those shoes yet. We have to accept we don't have any bench strenght whatsoever. There is a lot of work needed to reach higher ranks but till than we can enjoy our 3 or maybe 4 star players.

  • For The Good on April 25, 2007, 0:44 GMT

    People like Moin Khan should be reinstated in the team. He was one who gave his all, in batting and wicket keeping. Whenever the sixth wicket fell, Moin was there to provide a quickfire 30 or 40 - in fact, as he was not concerned about scoring a 50, but rather about Pakistan's team position at the moment, he would probably hold the record for the most number of fourties by a Pakistani player in an ODI.

    And age is not that much a factor, if it is, then please ask Ricky Ponting and McGrath to leave the Australian team as well, as their age is not justifiable.

    Good Luck - you might just need it!

  • khansahab on April 25, 2007, 0:41 GMT

    Mr Wasim Saqib,

    I understand the general stance you have adopted with your justifications for your line-up. However, I think perhaps we need to consciously consider whether international cricket is a different ball game than domestic cricket. After the departure of Saeed Anwar we have not had good openers. Anwar was a naturally gifted player like Wasim and Waqar, Anwar had weaknesses and technical faults with his batting but still managed to score reasonably consistently.

    I think there is confusion about what the opener’s role is. In yesteryears people were happy to confine that role to the stabiliser who occupies his wicket for the first 10-15 overs. For instance, Hanif Mohammad for Pakistan. However gradually focus has shifted towards openers who can provide their teams with flying starts. This is where we have faltered.

    What I am not very confident about is asking youngsters to open as I believe they lack in age, maturity and temperament which is required more for opening than any other batting position or role. Farhat, Butt, Nazir etc have all failed. Even Yasir Hameed is a failure as an opener, although I think he, like Hafeez, has good middle order batting experience. In my opinion there are only two ways to remedy the situation; either get your senior/able players to open (I thought Younis and Yousuf should have opened in this WC) or if a youngster must open, he must have a permanent place in the side and some sense of responsibility so he does not throw his wicket away. That description fits with our new captain. Stephen Fleming did not start as a specialist opener and neither did Sachin Tendulkar. But both have been successful (to some degree or the other) as openers. Something tells me Yousuf might click in that position. What matters in international cricket is not so much domestic performance and domestic specialisms but who has the tenacity and temperament to occupy his crease and keep the score board ticking. As far as his nervous starts go, most established batsmen start nervously unless they are as accomplished as Hayden or Jayasuria who attack right from the first ball. Our so called “specialist openers” will be more nervous than Yousuf in that position. Butt and Farhat are acclaimed openers in the domestic competitions. What makes you think Khurran Manzoor or anyone else will perform better than them? I would like to make special mention of Farhat because he is fairly experienced now, but he was played for a year by Inzi and that proved to be a disastrous decision.

    As far as Hafeez goes, he has experience domestically playing in the middle order and has the ability to attack or defend as per the situation. I always knew he would fail as opener for the reasons mentioned above. Since the bowling is usually not attacking in the middle overs of ODI’s, Hafeez can have the option to either defend more successfully (compared to opening) or go after the bowling which will also be easier. I would keep him in my side because in the past 2 or 3 series he has improved his off spin. I am certain Hafeez is the player who, if played in the middle order, can make 30-35 runs regularly and also take a couple of wickers whilst not having an economy exceeding 4.5. We must not underestimate the importance of having a reasonable ODI offspinner (Hafeez) and ODI legspinner (Afridi), both of whom can play dual roles with their batting and/or occasional remarkable fielding. Malik for me is not an effective off-spinner. He was fair when he was new in the squad but he has rightly concentrated on his batting and hence now his bowling has become lacklustre and dispensable.

    Finally the point on Fawad Alam; yes I can see why you want him to bat lower down. But after seeing his performance in Twenty20 I think this kid can excel wherever he bats; come to think of it, he might not be a bad opening option either. I put him originally at no 3 because I felt it would be nice to give him responsibility so we can see what he really is capable of. But of course that is assuming Yousuf and Malik in their respective opening positions manage to stabilise the situation. Malik arguably has been Pakistan’s best ODI batsman at no 3 but the reason why he is scores in my book is because of his flexibility. Many of the times he scored heavily at no 3, he was playing the role of a makeshift opener anyway because Butt or Farhat would get out quickly. So it’s perhaps not such a bad idea for him to open. My middle order may be inexperienced, but I think their job will be a lot easier than the jobs of Yousuf, Younis and Inzi as middle order batsmen because Yousuf and Malik at the top would have done some work. You can take Australia’s example; in ODI’s their 3 best batsmen- Hayden, Ponting and Gilchrist bat at the top 3 batting positions which makes the job of their lesser batsmen like Hodge, Clarke and Hussey much easier. The whole point of sending your best batsmen at the top is so that the middle order can have an easier, can score freely and play their natural game, without the stress of always attempting to salvage the situation where the scorecard reads something like 50-3 after 15 overs.

  • Imran Iqbal on April 25, 2007, 0:40 GMT

    Are you on salary for PCB?? I understand being Pakistani you discuss Pakistani Cricket. But I think you should also be able to comment on world cricket. WC2007 is nearing its end and 4 best teams are fighting for the top spot. As cricket writer and fan spare a bit of time for other teams as well. I'm sure a resh topic will excite Pakistani fans as well. Give Pak team a break for some time......Enjoy Cricket!

  • Hassaan Wajeeh on April 24, 2007, 23:52 GMT

    I think Malik should not be a captain because he is only 25 and we have a good player who is in great form and he is more experienced so we should let Yousuf.

  • Sitarah Anjum-London (UK) on April 24, 2007, 23:46 GMT

    I disagree with the idea of two VC’s. What is the logic behind it I can not get it? If M.Yousaf is not selected as captain then what’s the point selecting him as VC. Kamran, did you forget so quickly what all the people on this blog have been saying about him? He is simply not a captain material! A VC is the person who is being groomed for future captaincy as well as assists the captain and replaces him while he’s outside the ground. I think PCB and we should come out of this debate of juniors or seniors. I wanted Afridi to be captain but I do not make any issue out of it if Shoib Malik gets the captaincy. All I want to see is results. It’s so shameful to see some people bringing the issue of sectarianism in this blog that’s widely read by non-Pakistanis too. What they will think is that we as a nation are disintegrated. This is a political debate. I am myself an Urdu speaking but I do not have any issue with anybody speaking other language. Fortunately I have widened my horizon by living in UK for over 10 years. If I can live and work with people of other cultures, race and religions then I do not see any problem with my other Pakistani brothers and sisters who do not speak my language. However it hurts badly if I am being looked down by my own country fellows due to my language and origin. I can understand the concerns of people who talk about their deprivation and frustration but I think they should address this issue at the right platform where our politicians can get the message. This is the system that’s rotten and people produced by the system can not think outside the box! Try to change the system not the people. When we will learn to live as a united Muslim nation then we would forget all our differences.

    Let’s come back to the cricket again. In my opinion Afridi or M. Asif should be the hot contenders for VC. I think Salman Butt is not currently in the team 11 so he should make efforts to get in first. I would have liked him to take the responsibility being an educated, mannered and talented young guy and if I were in the selection committee I’d have certainly given him chance first by including him as an opener on a permanent basis so that he gets confidence and certainty about his place in the team and secondly I’d make him VC and groom for the future captaincy. M.Asif is not a bad choice either; he’s intelligent operator and has a potentially long career. But do not forget the clouds of uncertainty are hanging over him until WADA’s appeal is pending. I can see in this blog many people are not willing to give any chance to Afridi due to his hot head. We have been mentioning about Malik’s forfeiture of 20/20 but since he admitted it publicly he made a mistake at an immature age, we’re willing to accept it and let it go. I don understand why are we not willing to forget past stupidity of Afridi and give him some responsibilities and confidence to see if he can deliver the desired results. PCB has not yet decided to give the captaincy to anybody on a permanent basis. If Malik can be tried as Captain then why not Afridi as his Vice? If he does not fit the job then try Asif. I hope by that time we would know what’s going on about his appeal.

    I also noticed people contradict themselves a lot in their comments. First they say they want fresh blood but in the next e-mail they moan why Shoib Akhter is not given the chance! Do I have to remind again that he is physically never fit? First of all he has to resolve his fitness problems and then look at his age, he’s Over 30! We rubbished the idea of assigning captaincy to M.Yousaf for the same reasons that is his age as well as his laid back nature and physical fitness. It has got nothing to do with his beard or religion as some people mentioned in their comments. Playing for Pakistan is such a great honour for any player regardless he’s a captain or not. I believe this is the time when PCB has to show its full command over players and prove that they are committed to bring discipline, balance and harmony in the team. If seniors do not co-operate or rebel then take disciplinary actions against them. Fine them heavily, ban them from playing as a punishment and if they still do not get the message then drop them from the team forever. I do not want to see any dirty politics in cricket any more. Let the country’s politicians play this musical chair not the cricket team!!

    Mr. Abbasi please let us know about WADA with regards to pending appeals of Asif and Akhter and start some interesting topics. Do not introduce silly ideas like 2 VC’s!!! Have you ever seen 2 VC’s in any other teams. If you really want PCB to experiment in a healthy way then suggest them to follow Australia, SA and Sri Lanka boards. See where their team is going at the moment. Sri Lank deservedly wind the first Semi-Final against NZ and hopefully faces Australia and I wish them best of luck and hope they bring the cup to Asia! We need a Captain like Mahela Jayawerdene who played so well and intelligently today and secured the place in Final.

    MESSAGE FOR BLOG FELLOWS: Please stop pulling legs of each others. We are here to express our views and opinions and everybody should feel free to write what he/she likes as long as it’s not offensive off course! If somebody does not agree with others then be polite and do not criticise them. Criticism should be healthy and purposeful not negative or harmful. I know there’re few people who are trying to be bosses of this blog!! I am just a simple down-to-earth decent human being and do not encourage any act of degrading others for any reasons whatsoever. This blog is for everyone and the main purpose is to show how we feel about cricket or other issues affecting our beloved country Pakistan. It makes me wonder how many people talk about change in the system and they are aware of causes of illness but why nobody still treats the illness? Are we really helpless and those in power do not listen to us? Think how can we make them listen. If somebody knows the answer then kindly let me know as I would like the ‘concerned Hazraat’ to LISTEN to me very carefully and seriously. We have had enough now!

    Think positive do positive. God bless Pakistan!

  • ahmad shah mian on April 24, 2007, 23:44 GMT

    I have observed that so many people is against AFRIDI. I would prefere afridi than that MUMMY DADDY look alike(shoaib malik)Leadership needs some killer instincts ,which is more obovious by the look of his face, he doesnt have any. Let me assure You ALL(SOFA CRITICS) that is guy(malik) will be a flop captain in the history of PAK cricket. peace. BOOM BOOM AFRIDI(every body likes him, even the whole cricket playing nations).

  • Mohammed Singh on April 24, 2007, 22:50 GMT

    Shahid Afridi should be made vice captain if not captain. Afridi was in the world XI one day international team two years ago. He is a gifted player, unlike any other in the Pakistani team. His test averages are better than Malik's and his bowling in ODI is exceptional too say the least.

    But the sad thing is Pakistan have not learnt from our mistakes. Inzy was a relaxed captain and that got us out in the pool stages of a world cup. Malik is a relaxed captain and i expect much the same.

    I think Afridi should be captain. And im pretty sure he will be in a couple of months. After Malik's failures.

    Pakistan need a changing of the guard. Afridi was that. They missed their chance too learn from their mistakes. Thus, we will continue too be ranked between 3rd and 7th in tests and ODI's for the next four years until a pool group exit from the world cup.

    The change we needed was in Afridi as captain. But we missed it.

  • khansahab on April 24, 2007, 22:18 GMT

    Recently I posted my preference for a domestic coach over an international coach but I was struck by a brainwave and now have developed the opposite opinion.

    What causes Pakistan to lose matches mainly is their opening and fielding. I think other facts such as captaincy, gameplan, mental strength, PCB, favouritism etc take a backseat although are valid reasons.

    Now usually our openers get out when they can’t play on a sporting pitch, which is what you get usually when you go outside of the subcontinent. Hence a foreign coach would have a greater expertise as regards sporting pitches than a Pakistani coach. Also, fielding was never a strongpoint for Pakistan so we probably do not have a coach with decent ability when it comes to fielding.

    However I am haunted again by the fact that our players will have communication problems with a foreign coach, which perhaps was the reason why Woolmer was unable to do much about the standard of Pakistani fielding and opening. I don’t think it was an issue of friction between players and the coach, especially because Woolmer had an amicable relationship with the youngsters.

    Hence we are treading on a fine line now. On the one hand we have communication problems and on the other we have “pitches and fielding” expertise.

  • shoaib naveed on April 24, 2007, 22:02 GMT

    sorry, but i will have to disagree with you on all counts this time Kamran. I really dont see a point to having a single vice captain let alone two, when you have a young captain that hopefully will remain captain for a good number of years to come. It made sense to have younis as vice captain with inzi because we were grooming him to become the next successor. With no need for a successor for at least a while i think we can leave the vice captaincy spot vacant. and when ever malik is unavailable just pick the senior most member which would be yousuf (hopefully this should not be too frequent)to captain the side. having two vice captains or even one i think would casue dissent and friction in the team.

  • Usman Aziz on April 24, 2007, 21:17 GMT

    I think having Salman Butt as Shoaib's deputy is the RIGHT WAY to go.. In my view, he is the ONLY one who can be tipped to succeed Malik. I don't think rest of the options are viable.. Interestingly, Salman has not been in the team for quite a while and chances are that he'll make a comeback as a vice-captain.. FUNNY things happen in Pakistan Cricket every now and then.

  • Fahd Khalil on April 24, 2007, 21:15 GMT

    Dear Mr. Kamran Abbasi. Being a cricket critic doesn't necessarily means that you have to be criticizing all the time. some of your criticism seems cynical at times and to a certain extent forced. Do you ever think about what you write or is it that you just put all your random thoughts and theories on paper and post it online. I hope you do something more interesting other than write dirty political pieces which only cheap tabloids would be willing to publish! If not, then I am sorry for your mere existence.

  • ravi on April 24, 2007, 20:51 GMT

    I think Kamran Akmal should be made deputy to shoaib malik if pakistan is planning for the future...because he is a certainty in both forms of cricket as shoaib malik...

  • WASIM SAQIB on April 24, 2007, 20:24 GMT

    Khansahab:

    Mohammad yousaf has never opened in his career,he has always been a nervous starter,his batting style suits the position where he normally bats.

    Shoaib although can open and has done it in the Past with some success,but his best performances were at #3 Position.

    I think Yasir Hameed should open alongwith Imran farhat or Khurram Manzoor whoever gets selected, Imran Farhat has scored a lot of runs in the current domestic season but I still believe this is the best chance to try some new players,and develop a strong bench.

    Fawad Alam should get selected the only reason I kept him lower down the order because he should first get some experience at the International level and once he gets comfortable he should be promoted up the order all the great players, Inzimam, Salim malik, Miandad, started their careers at #5 position.It would be a great injustice with a young player to expose him to the pressure of #3 position in his first match.

    We should not give Hafeez another chance as he has failed to deliver,he is a mediocre batsman,again I would take a chance on somebody new like Misbah, Shahid Yousaf or Hasan Reza.

    I agree with you Anwar Ali should have been invited to the camp.Mohammad khalil is again mediocre and so is Rajesh ramesh,The rest I cant comment on as I have never seen them ball.

    You picked up one extra bowler, in your lineup there are seven bowlers,we need to strengthen our batting,and if you look at your middle order its inexperienced,we have to keep the side balanced. I would recommend Zulqernain for the test team but for ODI I would still go with Kamran if you look at your line up,the middle order is all inexperienced and the lower middle order consisits of only Afridi and after him the tail begins.

    More or less we have selected the same players with the exception of two,thats encouraging at least we agreed on something for a change.

  • Tahir Ahmad, Oakville, Canada on April 24, 2007, 19:52 GMT

    I agree with Mo Yo for the test, but Afridi is irresponsible, too arrogant, too child like to be a fit for the job. I think what we are missing here is that to be a captain or VC, one need to have a brain, to adapt to situations, to change according to what the conditions are demanding. When was the last time Afridi show any such traits? Its best we keep Afridi as it is a one day player on flat predictable pitches. If we have to have a different VC in ODIs let it be no one and let Malik be both.

  • imtiaz on April 24, 2007, 19:13 GMT

    sallam to all well i dont think its will be a great idea to have two vice captanis i think there should be only 1 vice captain and that should be either asif or salman butt cs both of them are young and telented and pcb should gave them a bit time to see how they do

  • WASIM SAQIB on April 24, 2007, 18:45 GMT

    There are only two seniors left in the team,and the third one does not want to serve Pakistan anymore. Razzak and Shoaib are history,so we are only left with Afridi and Yousaf,we should not worry about them at all,I think either Asif or Umar Gul should be made the VC as both of them are automatic selection in both forms of the game and both are young and have a long career ahead of them.My vote is for Umar Gul.He has always given 100% on the field,has good personality I think he will be a good choice.

  • ubaid on April 24, 2007, 18:43 GMT

    Hi kamran. This column is plain silly. Under normal circumstances I would narrate the reasons why that is so, but I don't want to rub it in. Enough of this GROOMING stuff. These guys are grown human beings and should not need any further grooming if they are already in the national team. Please find 11 guys out of 160 million people that already have the temprament. No one groomed groomed imran khan. No one groomed clive lloyd. You either are or you aren't. But go ahead, keep doubting yourself and your choices. I would rather pick the captain and back him to the hilt. Its now done and dusted, so stop coming up with silly ways for making it easier on the captain and projecting your own insecurities onto other people. Representing your country is the highest honour, and if someone needs other reasons ( to be in a position of control) we are not going anywhere good anytime soon.

  • Kashif Sohail on April 24, 2007, 18:42 GMT

    Dear Kamran,

    You said there isent anyone young to groom as Vice Captain. I disagree. We have Salman Butt. Salman has played 33 ODI's already as well as some test matches, and he has scored 100s in both forms of the game. He is young, intelligent, educated and has a good game. As a left handed opening batsman, he can lead by example and his Captaincy experience having succesfully lead the Pakistan Under-19, the Pakistan Academy teams and his city of Lahore on a number of occasions. He has a good head on his shoulders and will be able to shoulder the responsibility. People like Afridi and Razzaq should not even be in the team, let alone be considered for any position. If we have Salman Butt as the Vice Captain now, then we can slowly begin ridding the team of these over-paid, lazy, political seniors who have dragged the team down.

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on April 24, 2007, 18:22 GMT

    Those who think that I don't disagree with Kamran Abbassi makes me laugh and they must read my previous posts. I have disagreed with him more than anyone here on this blog. But, I don't disagree for the sake of disagreement or vice versa. And, I have never been a chamcha of anyone in my life and I will never be one, ever! I always speak through my feelings and not just through my mind. :-)

    Talking about shot selection and blaming Afridi for choosing bad shot selection, I would say people have very short memories. They conveniently forget what they want to forget and remember only whatever they want to remember. Not so long ago, Shoaib Malik was getting out cheaply by trying to play a cut shot in the point and gully region and he is still vulnerable playing that shot. Apart from his domestic match fixing fiasco as a captain, there is another point about him i.e., his fitness. He has been in the team but, on the fence due to injuries and fitness related problems and don't forget he was also sent to Australia for correcting his bowling action.

    Kamran Akmal is another example, he too plays the same shot badly between point and gully region and still did not bother to correct it. Salman Butt and Imran Farhat repeats the same mistake again and again, and they are out of the team 'coz of playing that poor shot between the slips and gully region. Younus Khan also played similar bad shots in SA and also in the WC matches and got out quite a few times very cheaply. Even Mohammad Yousuf played bad shots twice in this WC and got out in similar fashion. Inzi too did the same in this WC and you don't expect this from the so-called classy players. So why single out Shahid Afridi and why label him for choosing or selecting bad shots? When you get out its a bad shot and if it goes over the ropes its a six. To have some kinda biases to a certain extent against people is natural, and not to give a second thought to change your opinion with an open mind is another. But, to get bitter and bitter for no reason and do not even bother to think rationally and by simply declining to change your opinion just because you think you are always right is stubbornness and mere stupidity.

    To say that Afridi has an average of 24 and 'coz of that he doesn't deserve a place in ODI is being blind, perhaps they don't know what cricket is all about, its not gardening, cooking, or a household chore and bibi's should not be so upset just 'coz the grapes are beyond their reach, hence they are sour ;-) Afridi still holds many world records, not just the fastest hundreds or most sixes (except for Jayasuriya's recent lead, which is a short term gain) or the strike rate, but as an all-rounder he takes that number three spot in the world, only behind Jayasuriya and Jacques Kallis to have scored most runs (4998 runs) and most wickets (201) in ODI games.

    Michael Vaughn has an average of only 27 in ODI, which is not too far away from Afridi's average, besides he doesn't even have a single hundred to his name as opposed to his 15 hundreds in test cricket. He was constantly criticized by many and was labeled as a test player only. The current English side is lacking a leader, in this WC he silenced most of his critics by leading the team to some respectability as a captain and as an ODI player too.

    So, you never know how one performs as a leader or a captain until you give him a chance, lets see how Malik will perform. And how can one pass a judgment about someone with a sweeping statement especially when the rest of the team is full of mediocre players by claiming that Afridi doesn't deserve a place in both forms of the game? The PCB selectors choose the playing XI after singing rhymes such as Eenie meenie miney moe ... perhaps some people are using the same approach here.

  • TAIMOOR on April 24, 2007, 18:01 GMT

    oh come on fella this seems just rubbish to say the least man!

    we have appointed a young captain good job (hope the seniors support him and dun be assh*&^%#

    now they should appoint a young vice captain too i think salman butt is the ultimate choice but he needs to cement his position in the team at first(we do not want another micheal vaughan do we?)

    second choice will be asif

  • munir on April 24, 2007, 17:58 GMT

    very insane article .

  • Kamran Abbasi on April 24, 2007, 17:39 GMT

    Many of you have said let's groom somebody to be a future captain and make him Shoaib Malik's deputy. That would be fine if there was somebody who was an obvious choice to be groomed in that way. There isn't, which is why in my view it is better to have an experienced player to support the captain. Two vice captains might be a bonkers idea but it might work. Now is the time to experiment and try something different. The other option would be to make Afridi or Yousuf vice captain for both forms of cricket and, just as with the two vice-captain solution, wait for the successor to emerge over the next 12-18 months.

  • WASIM SAQIB on April 24, 2007, 17:29 GMT

    Ashaq Bhai: I really enjoyed your most recent post.

  • Aftab A. Qureshi on April 24, 2007, 17:14 GMT

    Kamran seems to have stretched his imagination a bit too much. Two vice captains? Give me a break. Where else has this model of team management been tried? We already have enough problems. We dont need to sow the seeds of more. A captain and two vice captains in our case would encourage grouping in the team, which could have serious adverse effects. So, let's not talk about it. What we might need though is a think tank within the team operating under the leadership of the captain. We can have the seniors--Yousaf, Younis, Abdul Razzak, etc.--as part of the "think tank", besides the captain. I would keep the coach out of it because his job is to improve the general proficiency of the team rather than chalking out the strategy for the next game, which is squarely the captain's responsibility. I have a feeling that successful modern day teams, such as Australia, Sri Lanka and New Zealand observe a collective process of thinking and strategize for each encounter. We should be doing the same.

  • javed khan on April 24, 2007, 17:02 GMT

    this is absolute rubbish. why write such irrational blogs. we need one captain. strong minded coach and once vice captain who will take over future captaincy. pakistan setup is totatally unprofessional, corrupt and self-centred , until we improve that pakistan shall never be a force in world cricket.

  • sakib on April 24, 2007, 16:58 GMT

    Interesting point ! But whats the point of making Yusuf as vice-captain as he may have no chance in the future to be a captain. I think now is the time to build the foundation for future and so we should create a young circle of players who will help eachother. So, it can be like this- Malik is captain & afridi is vice-captian in both oneday & test. But Salman Butt has no guarantee tht he will play, judging his form. But Salman will be in mind as a 3rd captain after Afridi. So when they play, pakistan team will circle around this Malik-Afridi-Salman core, they'll help eachother in different situatuions. On the other hand Yusuf & Yunus will remain as senior players for necessary help & guidance which every team has. No need to make them Vice-Cap. They r seniors & advisors. So, Basically, Malik is in charge, Afridi is his deputy or vice-cap. Salman will remain as 3rd person in charge. This Triplet will be the think-tank for the team. And Yusuf & Yunus will be the senior advisor to them along with the coach & thier main job is performance with the bat because they r class acts, they should focus on that. So, MALIK-AFRIDI-SALMAN will be the Core of Pak team & YUSUF-YUNUS will be the Advisors.

  • Osama Khan on April 24, 2007, 16:46 GMT

    First, i dont agree with the Board's decision to appoint Shoaib Malik as Captain. His achievements were not that great and still he needs to establish himself as a batsman. I have seen Shahid Afridi Captaining Karachi in the 20-20 matches last year and his aggressive approach was a treat. Also, when he was captain, he played sensibily and won his team crucial games. Shahid was the best choice and Shoaib malik should have been his Vice.

  • Asif Shah on April 24, 2007, 16:43 GMT

    [B] Yasir Farooq wrote: Pakistani minds are very devious and our senior players take the cake when it comes to backstabbing and opportunism. As such, the VC should also be a Junior player. Salman Butt should be the VC. [/B]

    Word. Spot on. Couldnt have said it better myself.

  • Pakistan Cricket Lover on April 24, 2007, 16:41 GMT

    I will repeat again fire them all. Even the PCB. Start from scratch. What Pakistan cricket needs is a Captain who will stand up to PCB like Imran Khan did. Talk about the body language. What was our new captain's body language when we was intoduced. He seemed obliged and like a yes man to the board. Malik show some guts be brave or PCB will ruin you. In Pakistan cricket team there is nobody worthy of being a captain or a vice captain. All have a losing mind set. Nobody wants to win anymore. Where is the flair and agression gone. PCB instaed of getting a fielding coach from MLB (major league baseball) in USA. Get yourself a trainer from NFL (national football league) in USA. Whip the players into shape first make them agile and then they will be better fielders. Make all green top wickets in Pakistan even for first class cricket. yes players are scoring heavily in domestic cricket on dead tracks. I have seen the best ball movement and swing in Pakistan in winter and spring time. Let them play on some bouncy and lively tracks. So when they go to England, Australia and WI they can play like men not like little sissies. Another thing make sure they donot party hard during a series and yes they are selected to play cricket not tableegh.

  • boom boom on April 24, 2007, 16:23 GMT

    Hi all, PCB have again made a blunder, they should have gone the Australia way / Border, instead of Miandad way!!! This was the perfect time to get rid of all senior players (even if they have been successful and stars in the past - boot-them for better future of Pakistan cricket, if there is one, choose the best leader among the youngsters and let them groom. After all how much more they can loose, the only way now, is up! Same goes for the PCB and selectors. Get rid of all the political type of people and engage some one with passion for Pakistan cricket and who are loyal to Pakistan - I know its not easy to find loyalty!!

    And Kamran, sorry to say, your suggestion of two VC's is absurd. In fact it would be better to make each one of them a CAPTAIN, since we are a nation whose majority are POWER-HUNGRY, we want rank but not the responsibilities attached with that rank.

    Malik has to improve his attitude and mannerism, to lead the team successfully and be respected.

  • Mystic Soul on April 24, 2007, 16:22 GMT

    Guilty, or not guilty. Or, in between. This in between dilemma has cursed our team from the time Wasim Akram was not allowed to captain Pakistan anymore. What has Nandrolone got to do with Shoaib Akhtar's Captaincy. If he is guilty, get rid of him, or at least punish him. If he is not, which he is not, considering the jury's decision, we should have made him captain for at least 2 years. Unfortunately we have lost a great captain.

    Captaincy is not just about the on-field decisions. The captain should be an Icon, a national figure, a strong and forceful character, an active speaker, a good communicator, a good manager, an aggressive person. We do not know anything about Shoaib Malik if he has got all of these qualities. He, at least, is not a good speaker, not a good communicator, not an icon yet. Other qualities, we can wait and see. Regarding the issue of 2 Vice Captains, I strongly disagree. If you do not want to make these persons captain, you should expect them to be a good persons to stay in the team. They should learn to play for the Country, not for their ego, they should look at Shaun Pollock, Marvan Atapattu, Glenn McGrath.

  • Chacha Koora Kirkit on April 24, 2007, 16:03 GMT

    Shoaib Akhtar for ....

    Captain Vice Captain PCB Chairman Chairman of Selection Committee etc. etc.

    It worked with Imran Khan, why not with Shoaib Akhtar?

    At least Akhtar will have the balls to sort out this Raiwind Mafia which I don't think Shoaib Malik will have the guts to confront.

  • Ashaq on April 24, 2007, 15:50 GMT

    Kamran you know what they say"too many cooks spoil the broth." With each cook (i.e. Captain+vice captain)Adding his own spoonful of salt and Chilli powder it will be enough to give all of Pakistan cricket a bout of Gastro-enteritis.

    How ever at least it will give all the Doctors at the P.C.B. an opportunity to put their medical skills to use.

    I know that one of the favourite ways of rigging matches in the 1920s, was to spike the drinks of the rival team with laxatives.I have never previously heard of a team using this strategy against themselves.

    How about the English model they have not had an official V.C. since 1999.

  • Tanvir Hussain on April 24, 2007, 15:17 GMT

    To me it seems to be somehow chaotic - let the vice captain be also a young one and let the old ones play the role in field. Cricket is a team game and will be more so in the future. So, the seniors should have to be ready to be open and give their consults in critical situations even without being in the team. A team should have to be quite open such that every one can express his opinions, though the final decision should have to be from the captain.

  • Sameer A Malik (MI, USA) on April 24, 2007, 14:53 GMT

    Excuse me for this, but it is a ridiculous idea to have two Vice-Captains, I don’t even believe in having two captains, having two VCs is far beyond. This was probably M. Yousuf’s last chance to get a role of Captaincy which he couldn’t grab, now it will be a disaster to make him VC as I think VC is a person who is groomed under the captain for future captaincy. So no point of grooming M. Yousuf now, his time is passed.

    I believe Afridi was a better candidate for captaincy as compared to Malik, I saw Afridi’s captaincy skills in domestic 20/20 and other competitions and it boosted his batting as well, on the other hand I never saw Malik captaining a domestic side in style, Imran Nazir was appointed captain of Sialkot side after Malik’s ridiculous math-awarding effort in the domestic 20/20 competition.

    Anyways, after taking a bold move to make Shoaib Malik captain, it will be rather an honorary or consolatory move to make Yousuf as VC (how would it feel if Australia decide to make Mcgrath as VC now?), Afridi might be a better choice but I think captain should be authorized to decide his deputy, so now let Malik decide his vice captain with full authority and lets see what is the outcome. But it shouldn’t go beyond limits as we saw Inzi selecting the Assistant coach (Mushi) himself just because of companionship. One thing is for sure if Pakistan team needs to gain some success then they have to unite under their captain, so best of luck for Malik.

  • khansahab on April 24, 2007, 14:24 GMT

    This is the time to make balanced and reasoned decisions. Unfortunately the 39 names announced for the Sri Lanka series defy that assertion. We have to ponder whether the selection of two captains or two vice captains meets the requirement of a balanced and reasonable decision. The notion going against that concept is the fact that such a strategy has never been implemented before. The question is essentially one of risk assessment and risk apportionment. I have discussed them before.

    The idea is not outrageous but my chief concern is whether that idea can work better than having Mohammad Yousuf as the proper VC for the team. Can we rely on Yousuf to gel the boys together behind Shoaib Malik in both forms of the game? Afridi is already a senior player in the team. Will making him VC improve his batting or does he require the ultimate responsibility? They say that the VC’s role is strictly “advisory” and does not extend beyond uniting the team behind their captain and taking over when the captain is injured/unavailable. Hence I don’t believe we will see a substantial change in Afridi’s performance if he is promoted to VC. I doubt we will witness a substantial change even if he is promoted to captain.

    Yousuf should still be an automatic selection in ODI’s. As long as he is in the line-up, we can feel satisfied that some stability is present.

    With regards to the 39 probables announced for the Sri Lanka series, I feel the Selection Committee has erred in selecting Butt, Farhat, Imran Nazir, Faisal Iqbal and omitting Anwar Ali, Sajid Shah, Jaffar Nazir and Rajesh Ramesh.

    We need to realise that domestic openers will falter in international matches. Mohammad Yousuf and Shoaib Malik as openers will mean that the two most responsible players are batting at the top and we can have stable starts. We have plenty of players who can come later and accelerate the scoring if need be.

    Mr Wasim Saqib, please read my response to your comment on the previous thread which I hope has been updated. You have outlined your choices for the line-up, perhaps you will be interested to know mine:

    Openers spot: Mohammad Yousuf (best batsmen with a lot of responsibility on his shoulders) and Malik (captain with responsibility on his shoulders) No. 3 spot: Fawad Alam (can attack or defend as per the situation and has done well at the no 3 spot for Karachi Dolphins) No 4: Yasir Hameed, Asim Kamal or Misbah-ul-Haq ( all of them deserve a chance, Misbah has the best domestic record but Asim has performed the best internationally whereas Yasir is the most experienced internationally so it’s a difficult question) No 5: Mohammad Hafeez (struggles with opening but can be a sound middle order player and is a good fielder and has improved his bowling lately so we can have a reasonable ODI off spinner in Hafeez and reasonable leg spinner in Afridi) No 6: Shahid Afridi (but only deserves the slot on accounts of improved bowling in the recent past) No 7: Zulqernain (next in line to Akmal, experienced keeper), Akmal’s time is over. He has been given many lifelines and retaining him in the squad sets a destructive precedent for the future. I think Sarfraz needs some more time- maybe a couple of years to improve his batting average No 8: Rao Ifthikar (in form bowler and has lately demonstrated good slogging ability) No 9: Umar Gul No 10: Mohammad Asif No 11: A young fast bowler- anyone from Mohammad Irshad, Najaf Shah or Mohammad Khalil (although I am not a fan of Khalil but I think we should try one fresh fast bowler for this series. Anwar Ali would have been the best choice in this slot but he isn’t in the squad) Najaf is the most experienced out of these 3 so perhaps he should be tried.

    I have thought that lately Pakistan has missed an inform bowler. Asif’s future is uncertain and Gul is injury prone. Sami has demonstrated fighting ability lately but is still not accomplished enough to deserve a place on merit. If we have 4 specialist pacers (and this is the point where I must add Razzaq is neither a specialist pacer not a specialist slogger, looking at his form for 2 years) and 2 decent ODI bowlers in Hafeez and Afridi, as well as the crafty bowling of Fawad, we can hold a reasonable chance of dismantling quality batting attacks. The batting line-up extends to no 7 (and no 8 if Rao can be considered as an all rounder) which again is decent and balanced.

  • Ali Majid on April 24, 2007, 14:08 GMT

    This Pakistani obsession with captaincy has to stop. It is just ridiculous how we treat captaincy as the most sacred thing. Teams have been torn apart because of this extremely ludicrous captaincy issue. World cups have been won and lost beacause of captaincy.....careers have been ended. Wasim Akram's obssession with the captaincy has to some extent (along his with his perceived involvement in match fixing) tarnished his career.

    You do not ......I repeat without fear of reprisal and the tremendous backlash that my comment will probably generate......You do not have to be the captain to be the leader.

    Was Shane Warne captain......the answer is no but he was perhaps one of the most influential and charismatic eventual leaders in the Austrailian team. Always by ponting's side (waugh's before that) with a suggestion or two. The brain ticking over and coming up with master plans. He was a leader....as well as Ponting....Waugh.......and Gilchrist who in my opinion deserves as much credit for the Australian teams fortunes as Ponting. Cast your mind back to the recently concluded ashes.....Ponting, Warne, Gilchrist and Langer in constant discussion - this was a site that became very familiar. Devising plans.....thinking strategically thats what they all did as leaders. They were true leaders .....intent on winning and only having that goal in mind. Do you honestly think that in the last 10 years soem of the players have given a toss about captaincy. They are true leaders in the sense that they have the wider goal in mind. They play together for the greater good not for the fact that who gives the post match presentation remarks. The Pakistani obsession with captaincy is to an extent an example of the major problem that faces our country. The unrelenting hunger for power and the disrespect for responsibility is what has led us to a situation where after every four years we end up talking about the same thing (everyday as far as the country is concerned). Ours is a great team......ours is a greater country but the attitude that has been developed in many of us over the years is just plain unhealthy and a deterrent to national prosperity. The every man for himself attitude only brings success in the short term......the greater good has to be kept in mind. The cricketers are there to play cricket....to be ambassodars for the country, religion and cricket itself. They are suppose to display what is good and great about a nation while showing the world that we can produce results on the field (whenever consistent results are produced on the field it justifies success off it). All that we have shown the world in the last 15 years is that we are a team of power hungry, oppurtunistic, not giving a damn about anything else - brats that are only concerned with the short term fame and fortune and have no regard to the basic principles that make a man, a team and ultimately (looking at the wider picture) a great nation. Let it go......we have a captain and what should now be encouraged is that everyone, not only the members of the team that will essentially take the field, but everyone should support him. This is the kind of culture that needs to be encouraged rather than one that where we have to try and keep everyone happy. No one should have such a hold over the system that they are able to hold it to ransom through fear of reprisal. The individuals that are not behind the skipper one hundred percent should be bid farewll as no one is indespensible. Trying to keep such individuals happy is going to detrimental in the long run like we have seen before. Vice-captaincy is not such a major issue that we start mentioning things like make Yousaf should be made the vice-captain to keep him happy and keep his mouth shut. If this is what we have once again come to then Yousaf should no longer be in the side (in my opinion Yousaf is not that sort of a person). Klusener had issues with Smith....he is no longer in the side. Boucher had issues with Smith....he spent a good deal of time out of the side. We are always the first to pick up negatives from other cultures and try and make them our own......how about we change things now and look to pick up postives. That's it.....my rant is over....I have bene babbling on for too long....let the backlash begin.

  • Nightwatchman on April 24, 2007, 13:38 GMT

    Oh yes, why not! And while we are at it, lets make 4 deputy-vice-captains, 2 for tests and 2 for one dayers. Oh no, that means we'll have only 7 people with some titles. What about the other 7-8 or so who make up a full squad of 14 or 15. They'll feel left out. I think I'll trust Kamran Abbasi to come up with some other out-of-this-world idea to solve this non-existant issue. Reminds me of a time in the early 90s when some 32 members of Baluchistan assembly were ministers, IN A ASSEMBLY WITH A STRENGTH OF 40. That was the only way of making sure they did not cross over to the opposition, make them ministers. Lets give each member of Pakistan team a title, together with an office, car and other perks. Perhaps Kamran Abbasi would like to make this the topic of his next thread.

  • Khizar Hayat Khan on April 24, 2007, 13:22 GMT

    1- naïve very naïve. by making an unruly a vice captain you are further helping his cause; he would b one step closer to stage a coup. 2- As far as afridi is concerned it as he who started it all but our memores are short. I think the conspiracy started the day when afridi refused to open the innings in West Indies.

  • Englebert on April 24, 2007, 13:08 GMT

    The captain, vice-captain and coach present themselves as a leadership team to the rest of the crew.

    Having two vice-captains risk power struggles, in-fighting and mutiny.

    Not advisable for a team like Pakistan and at a time like this.

  • nabeel on April 24, 2007, 13:01 GMT

    Among what's available, Shoaib Malik seems a better choice. Keeping the two 'Ys' and the big 'I' out of second in command role, we don't have much of a choice. Kamran Akmal is the only other regular member of the team and while we are experiencing, why not use him as vice captain?

  • Rizwan Shah on April 24, 2007, 12:47 GMT

    Point 7 is OK. Point 10. Relax guys, Inzamam will retire very soon. You don't need to tell him what to do. His cricketing days will be over soon but please don't force him to do that. He'll go himself, any day, very soon. Thanks.

  • Khan, Islam abad on April 24, 2007, 12:21 GMT

    There are still other possibilities for the VC of the team like Omar Gull who is defintly going to be there in the team in both Test and ODI squads. So it will be reasonable to go for Gull. However let Inzi go now bkz his time is over, he was given the opportunity which he destroyed himself.

  • Tahir Ahmad, Oakville, Canada on April 24, 2007, 12:08 GMT

    Will like to see Yousaf in both forms, he is the only real senior in the team. Malik can use his experties. He should be in both test and one dayer all the time, look at his #s. you need some one to stabilize the team in ondayer, with inzi and younis gone he is a must in one dayer. my 2 cents

  • Tanweer Khan on April 24, 2007, 12:07 GMT

    The idea of two vice-captains does sound interesting. However, once analysed fully, it is a totally ridiculous idea.

    The fact is that Younis Khan rejected the captaincy, when he was the unanimous favourite. The selectors have made a bold move and appointed Shoaib Malik. I say Good Luck to Shoaib Malik. Inshallah, he can turn around the fortunes of Pakistani cricket.

    To me, the obvious choice of a vice-captain would be to appoint someone who has the cunning skills to lead when required. It does not mean appointing a senior player just for the sake of it. Nor does it require the appointment of two different vice-captains.

    Whilst the likes of Salman Butt may well have leadership qualities, their positions within the team are by no means assured.

    This narrows the field considerably, and at present Mohammed Yousaf is one of very few candidates that is a guaranteed fixture in the side. The PCB could do worse than appoint Yousaf as a vice-captain for now. I am sure he'll flourish in the role without the shadow of Inzi being in the team.

    Yes, Yousaf may not be around for the next world cup. However, let's focus on the here and now and try to resurrect the fortunes of the team. The world cup is 4 years away, by which time many things can happen - including the likes of Salman Butt becoming permanent fixtures in the team.

    And I totally agree, let's give Inzi a last hoorah and thank him for his service to Pakistani cricket. It will be a shame to lose him, but as they say "all good things come to an end".

  • sohel khan on April 24, 2007, 11:57 GMT

    That will make no difference. If PCB takes decision to make all the eleven players as a captain or vice captain team performance will not improve. Because Pakistan not under control with any captain or not playing as team work.

  • Muhammad Asif on April 24, 2007, 11:33 GMT

    In this blog we are discussing about a few players. My question is there are no more players in Pakistan & if the answer is "Yes", we should stop wasting our precious time on a sport where we have only 15 players out of 15 crore people................

  • Aashish Chandorkar on April 24, 2007, 11:30 GMT

    While it has always baffled me why Afridi has not been a regular in Pak ODI team, I agree it is the right time to take him to the next elevation. Not only should he be the vice-captain, he should be regarded as a long timer, consistent performer, which aren't many in Pak team today. As for tests, I don't think Yousuf is the right choice for VC. If he wasn't good enough for captaincy (and I think thats a selection error most probably for reasons non-cricketing!), he shouldn't be the vice captain either. Pak selectors should look at Salman Butt - despite that he is till trying to find his moorings, there is no real choice.

  • thebigandeasy on April 24, 2007, 11:29 GMT

    kamran you must have a lot of spare time on your hands, this is a really nonsensical article. 2 vice captains, what are you on! If you have nothing to write, then don't write anything!!!

  • Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on April 24, 2007, 11:20 GMT

    Dear Kamran Bhai,

    I will totally disagree with you regarding selecting two different vice captains for the ODIs and Tests. As it is, we are having troubles bringing the players on one platform and we already fear that some seniors may have their own ways unless the captaincy of the newly selected captain, Shoaib Malik, is well cemented. Over and above this, if we had two vice captains the risk is that the team will be divided into numerous groups and sub-group. Plus there will be a serious concern with regards to the issue of command and control between the several captains, vice captains and the players.

    On the other issue of Inzamam-ul-Haq following Lara and retiring from test cricket, well Mr. Inzamam is a very cleaver man and there is a much stronger, intelligent and a calculating player under this outside appearance of his. Inzamam knows very well that currently he has the highest number of runs in the Pakistan Cricket in ODIs, however, his total test cricket runs are just short of 19 runs from the highest runs of Javed Miandad, and it seems Inzamam want to play just one more test to beat that score and be the highest run-getter in the Pakistan in both the forms of cricket.

    Javed Miandad has 8,832 runs in 124 Tests at an average of 52.57. Inzamam-ul-Haq has 8,813 runs in 119 Tests at an average of 50.06.

    As such, with one more test, Inzamam will become the highest Pakistani scorer in the cricket history in the ODIs as well as in Tests.

    “Hazaaron Khuwahishain Aisi Kay Har Khuwahish Pay Dum Niklay”.

  • Ahmed Jamal on April 24, 2007, 11:17 GMT

    Not a bad option. But keeping in view the scenario and mental inheritance that our players have, it doesnt look like a practical idea.

    Making mail thew captain, has already created some gap among the team that was kept literally one knit by Inzi.

    So, in my view one way of erasing this "seniority feeling" is to bring forward a player as vice captain, who we see as a successor to Malik. (more straight forwardly, as a back up option for Malik), no matter if he is senior or junior, batsman or player. we should first identify the criterion for nomination and selection. in my view the basic things to look for are : 1. talent and temperament for both forms of the game 2. Mental and physical strength (might not have 36 inches chest, but should not break down in every other game) 3. he should be a good speaker to convey his message to all around him.

    so in my view, Afridi, Butt and Asif are the most feasible options.

    the biggest challenge we have at this point in time is, that other than malik, asif and yousaf, no player is guarenteed of playing in both forms of game, and that mainly because our team, management and the (PCB) Prestegious Cricket Board is never sure of anything, and they never stood be thier decision.

    we have given too much ease to our players. the Chairman is shouting everywhere for DISCIPLINE, and just at his face, have turned down the ABU-DAHBI tour and are happy to play for the FARANGEES. if this is what the chairman means by discipline, than we are undoubtably ON-TRACK.

    Just a week ago, the "speedster" was claiming that he is SUPER-FIT, and now he is not fully fit for the tour. Undoubtably, he has some talent and a good brain to work behind it, and all he needs is a strict board to either use him to the maximum, or at least say good bye to him for good.

    In Short, follow a sctrict descipline and everything will fall right.

  • khalid on April 24, 2007, 11:13 GMT

    Bakwas is Bakwas in URDU or ENGLISH

  • Atiq Ahmed (Hong KonG) on April 24, 2007, 11:12 GMT

    I totally disagree with the two vice-captains idea... actually the job should be handed to any one who is the permanent member of the team in both tests and ODI's... How can afridi be the vice-captain or captain..he's a big trouble maker... and i dont think yousuf will agree to do the job as he is not at all interested in it any more... he said he'll like to play as a member but not a capt... i think PCB will make Razzaq or M.Asif the vice captain... we'll get to know sooon.... i hope who ever gets the job will do it honestly... God Bless them Alll...

  • Ali Khan, Cambridge UK on April 24, 2007, 11:06 GMT

    Afridi is by no means an automatic choice for ODIs. In fact he would have to fight for a place with all rounders like Fawad Alam, Muhammad Hafeez and Mansoor Amjad. Even Abdur Rahman can upstage him as he is a wicket taking option. Even if Afridi makes the cut now I really doubt whether he would continue to do so. PCB should select a vice captain based on leadership qualities rather than to bribe the seniors. If a senior is made a VC he will try his best to organise a rebellion against Malik. For now Muhammad Asif seems a good choice as he is a permanent member of both squads. In future Fawad Alam or Salman Butt can prove to be worthy candidates depending on how they establish themselves in the team.

  • Yassar on April 24, 2007, 11:01 GMT

    I completely disagree with the suggestion in the blog of having two different vice captains. I also disagree with the point of view that the vice-captain has to be a senior as it is a way of avoiding some sort of revolt.

    If you take that approach then all you will be doing is taking one step forward and one step backwards. Positions within the team such captaincy / leadership should be decided upon by taking into account the individuals ability to do the required job and not by how senior they are. The vice-captains job is very important and should be given to a individual who is of captaincy material regardless of whether he is senior or not!

    Having two different vice-captains is also a wrong approach to take as it can send mix signals and also confuse understandings between players. The captain and vice-captain will have to work very closely together in order to forge a winning team therefore it is important to have consistency and stability.

    In my opinion Shahid Afridi should be made vice-captain in both formats because I feel he is a good leader of men and has captained his club side of Karachi very well. I admit his place within the test team is not as secure as he or many of us others would like but extra responsibility may well find a more consistent Afridi.

    I do not agree with Mr Abbasi’s suggestions of Inzamam retiring from test cicket. There is no doubt Inzamam alongside Mohammed Yousuf is Pakistan’s best batsman. Inzamam should only consider retiring once Pakistan have found an adequate replacement and quite frankly there doesn’t seem to be one at the moment. I would even go as far as saying Inzamam probably was a bit too hasty in retiring in ODI cricket as he had a lot to offer Pakistan cricket in that format.

    Let’s not forget Pakistan’s batting is made up of just three players, Inzamam, Yousuf, and Younis, with Younis only really coming to perform in the last 2 years or so. So if you take Inzamam away from that list you start to see how vulnerable Pakistan really look.

    We should not look to retire players so early especially when they have so much to offer as Inzamam does and even more so if there is no adequate replacement. Saeed Anwar was made to retire so much earlier than he wanted to or should have and look what has happened…we still have not found an opener as half decent as him.

    Look at the Australians, the world’s best team and look how many over 30’s they have in their side. Age should be no barrier as long as you are performing.

    Long may Inzamam continue!

  • Mohamoud on April 24, 2007, 11:00 GMT

    Agree that all this fellows u mensioned are worth to be vice-captain but i wonder that all of you are talking about vice captain. i think that pakistan cricket have died and will never reborn better to give a loan to our good player to INDIA, Sri Lanka or Bangaladesh.

  • Ishfaq Bhatti NZ on April 24, 2007, 10:56 GMT

    Due to the complexity of the game I guess it would be nice to have one vice captain rather then making things tuff for their selves, however I have a suggestion in the test form of cricket, I guess it would be nice to have inzi captain test while the Shoib malik can back him up as his deputy, infect he is gona learn his game in the test form too and after sometime he can be usful for the both version of the game. The one dayers has is single mind game and I reckon the Shahid Afridi as his deputy

  • Imran (South Africa) on April 24, 2007, 10:55 GMT

    I Think Shahid Afridi would be a great captain, He is more aggressive rather than defensive, i think shoaib malik still needed some more time as a vice-captain. but lets hope we see some great results.

  • nwak on April 24, 2007, 10:46 GMT

    kamran, you seem to be taking something of a U-turn on your comments...how PCB-ish!!seems like writing abt them day in, day out has got to you.......no seriously, if yousuf cant be captain,how can he be vice-captain? isnt the vice-captain supposed to lead the team in absence of the captain?how will yousuf fare in such a situation?just as he did in that painful test against australia.....it just doesnt make sense. for me,it has to be a young cricketer,whoever it is...the experience would help him groom himself. P.S. where is mawali these days? his witty, if weird, comments are missed.

  • Rafi Mirza on April 24, 2007, 10:40 GMT

    Shouldn't the bigger issue be that if we need to create two vice-captain slots for both the senior and junior players then there is something wrong with the mentality of the team. Surely the desire to play for your country should be greater than your desire to be captain. I think its about time that the selectors became tougher and dropped all the prima donnas in favour of players who actually WANT to play for Pakistan

  • Shafiq on April 24, 2007, 10:34 GMT

    Agree, except point 10---- Inzimam is a hero and remain a father figure--- He must be in Test team, he should play as long as he want to play, wo should stop this disgrace of our heros--- Inzi you are fantastic.

  • Waseem on April 24, 2007, 10:08 GMT

    I don't agree with Kamran of having two Vc's just for the sake of getting 100% from so called super stars. I think the captain and the team managment can easily sense who is 100% with him and who is not. If they have a little dought about him, he should be shown the way out of the team. If you look at the one day side realastically there are 2-3 players which we need them and are nucleus of our team. In my opinion,they are Afridi and yousaf. I think yousaf will give 100% any way so my only worry is Afridi.I am not mentioning Razak as I feel he needs a real improvement in his bowling to cement his place in the side. Younis and Shaoib in my books have attitude problem and are replaceable so can be shown the way out of team. On Vc issue, I think for first 6 month we should have Yousaf to help shoaib and once Shoaib is satteled we can have young VC for future. But I think in this case we are asking too much from Yousaf but he is a great team player and might agree to do it but Shoaib and others should give me a respect and always keep in touch with him for advice. The example is S.lanka where there captain make decision after chatting with seniors like Jaysuria,Murli and Vaas and in this way senior feels like that they have been respected.

    Regards Waseem

  • razee on April 24, 2007, 10:07 GMT

    Very unwise. Please! we should not humiliate Yusuf any more. Give him a break and let him concentrate on his batting. Also, give Afridi a break. That maverick has got a hundred raw deals. Secondly, Malik is bound to fail (both as a captain and as a player), so why not groom a younger player to take the job sooner than later? Salman Butt is my first choice VC. Asif is good, but for a bowler to be a good captain, you need someone of the calibre of Imran and Wasim. Look at Kapil, Botham, all excelent players, but did not make good captains.

  • Zed Fazel, Leicester,England on April 24, 2007, 9:55 GMT

    I am amazed that Pakistan cricket never learns it's lessons. While teams like Australia, South Africa, Sri Lanka are taking the standard of cricket few steps higher, what we hear from Pakistan is all doubts about the capability of Shoiab Malik and the seniors v/s not so seniors and Intekhab even talks of jealousy!!!. If Pollock, Kallis and Ntini can play under Smith (and he was totally inexperienced when he took over), Hayden, Gilchrist,Warne, McGrath can play under Ponting, Jayasuriya, Murlidharan can play under Jayawardene, It beat me no ends why on earth Pakistan cricketers cannot play under a younger captain. I am sorry to state that instead of pulling together and re-build Pakistan side, poison is already been injected to ensure continuity of fracticious atmosphere. If Pakistan does not adopt strict professionalism, then I predict that it will be an ordinary side beaten by all and sundry. The call of the hour is to unite, improve batting, bowling and fielding and concentrate on cricket. Otherwise the writing is on the WALL.

  • Zaheer Abbasi on April 24, 2007, 9:52 GMT

    Greetings,

    Change in personnel will never make any difference and although I hope Kamran thought what he wrote prior to publishing it does not make any sense. Vice-captains are only ever there if the captain is off the field, sick or otherwise absent. The vibrant personality of Afridi would make him to be a favourite candidate as you need a live wire in the field especially when the chips are down and players need a little bit extra oumph to get there. Age is not of concern here, Pakistan loses alot of there games due to bad technique or more appropriately not reading the game they are playing. In any other good cricketing nation you will see when the first few fall someone plays an anchor role, we however fill our team with heroes who do not disappoint us to become zeroes. I agree we may not get someone like Imran's mentality who was made of the leader material knew how to read the situation and rally his troops. I sense when our players get out in the field they almost seem to resign themselves to be the second best out there, someone needs to tell them that out of the whole country someone has thought of them to be the best so dont let the entire nation down. The faith and prayers play a part only after you as an individual have done your part. We do not change the condition of the nation unless they want to change it themselves. So even God is saying to you unless you have the urge and zeal to win I will not bother, so stop blaming it on fate, because fate is what YOU make it to be Mr selected XI's. I agree you will not always be the winners, afterall the other team hasn't come out to be losers either but there is a thing called being humiliated on the field and a graceful loss. Fight on the field, play your best cricket and if you lose than so be it atleast we would have the impression that on the given day you were outplayed. But when the score is less than 200 in 50 overs than you should consider your position yourself and do the graceful thing of stepping aside, there will be more hungrier people in the country to do well for their nation.

    Make one captian and one vice captain for both forms of the game and please train and groom them, like my PT teacher while I was in Pakistan use to say, chest out and be proud. Confidence will come through training and discipline.

  • Roc on April 24, 2007, 9:45 GMT

    I think it's irrelevent talking about vice- captains. Let's just focus on Shoaib Malik's reign as captain.

  • srivathsan on April 24, 2007, 9:36 GMT

    Your idea of having two captains for two versions of game is not well founded.Right or wrong ,malik has been chosen captain & he is young -so let him do the job in both the versions.He will gain experience.Why do you advocate two vcs? Chose a person who finds the place in both the versions.Your asking mohd.yousuf to be vc is definitely insult to him.When he is not fit to be a captain ,how can he be vc ? PCB should never do that.One should not lower his dignity .After all he is the finest batsman of the team & one of the best in the world.Any player with leadership quality even if he is under 19 can be thought off for the post of vice captain.

  • Osman Ali Khairi on April 24, 2007, 9:22 GMT

    Mr. Javed A Khan disagreeing with you Kamran is like a once in a blue moon experience. Frankly, I’m astounded. He does have his own chain of thought afterall! (No pun intended!) Getting back to your thread, personally, your post is an interesting read at best. Having two vice captains? Knowing the capricious, chaotic and whimsical nature of Pakistan cricket, it’s bound to foster factions and further subdivisions within the team. As farcical as it sounds, I have a strong feeling Mohammad Yousuf feels hard done by. On the basis of his ‘I have been a consistent performer in the side and hence, deserve the honor of leading Pakistan’, it’s safe to advocate he isn’t too pleased with the naming of Shoaib Malik as captain. However, naming him vice captain won’t resolve this volatile situation. As a matter of fact, it will only accentuate the power seeking culture that presides in our cricket establishment. Of course, this is all crude speculation but the chances of two vice captains undermining the authority and leadership of Malik are greatly augmented if this two vice captain theory is put into practice. On the basis of your piece in Dawn, where you suggested that Malik should be given a free hand in molding a team for the future, this policy of yours only contradicts and rebuts what you recommended earlier. I agree with Javed Khan when he argues that ‘it’s better to have one big vice rather than having two small vice’. Well put. As for your ‘gutso’ Afridi being appointed vice captain, the less said the better. As I often voice in my posts here, I am a staunch supporter of ‘meritocracy’ and as a corollary, believe that perseverance with an underperformer enigma like Afridi only erodes and weakens the credibility of such a system. Afridi, on the basis of his performance (which doesn’t encapsulate flair or the sheer entertainment value that he brings with him) doesn’t even deserve to be in either the test or ODI side. Though no one here questions his amazing talent, fact is he has been around at the international circuit for almost 11 years now. The guy hasn’t improved his shot selection and continues to get out the same way he did when he was a raw rookie. As for playing responsibly and guiding Pakistan out of tight situations, I doubt if that will happen in our life time. The guy is mentally and intellectually challenged and in a nutshell, incapable of controlled aggression. Making him the vice captain will be akin to shooting ourselves in the foot. Lastly, a vice captain is appointed with the purpose of being groomed as a future captain. Assuming, that the two vice captains don’t do a Younis in the future, who do u select as a future captain? One who has the support of an influential lobby? One who has a greater number of former players at his back or one who has the patronage of the board members? This two vice captain theory is ridiculous, Kamran.

  • Hamidur Rahman Adnan on April 24, 2007, 9:12 GMT

    This is the time to have a NEW/ YOUNG TEAM under Shoeab. I don't know why still you are discussing, Inzi, younus, Yousof etc. What ever has happened in World Cup, was the NIGHTMARE, who did his responsibility. Remember, we were out of World Cup because of BATTING. So no discussion should be made for Inzi, youns or Yousef. What are the use of these Big Names, who were back fire us when we need them. And please don't give Afridi any role (like Cap or vice Cap) as he is already very un-pridictable and un-reliable), if you put him in a key posisiton then he will be more bad performer (as he will have no pressure to perform). Why you forgot HASAN RAZA, this man continuosly given performance in the local cricket. Why not use him in paki team. As he is the Captain of his Local team so i storngly believe he will be some one best option for the VICE captain of the team.

    Regards

  • Faisal Shah on April 24, 2007, 9:10 GMT

    inzi should stay on as a batting coach for the junior bastmen, so as to improve their technique. im sure his form would have nothing to do with his coaching tips.

    plus, as everyone is talking about pakistan crickets future, i have a concern or two. the best in teh world have most of their players practice both batting and bowling to a degree where id consider the australians as an all round eleven. they can all bat and bowl. so why cant our players be trained for the next world cup keeping in mind that they should excel to a certain degree in both arts. its wishful thinking but possible. a playing elevn whith all all rounders who excel in both depts. commercially its a success story and a half in the making. the crowds would love it. anything is possible in cricket, as the saying goes, would finally make sense. to me atleast.

    as far as the coaching is concerned...get the best. forget abt nationality. imran khan should give captaincy workshops for all captains in all levels of cricket in pakistan. thats all he is good for now.

    khair, thats what i think

  • Atif Yousuf on April 24, 2007, 9:06 GMT

    Salaams,

    Though a nice idea of having two vice captains as far as Kamran is concerened but still I have my personal doubts about this new yet innovative idea of Kamran. But then we have tried everything else since last few years so I dont see any problem in trying out this new idea practically and see if it succeeds or not. And yes shoaib akhtar wud have been a very interesting captain but sadly he has missed his chance by swimming in the ocean of nandrolone and I dont expect Asif to be also one of the vice captain guys also. Inzi should with honour and respect retire from the tests also as soon as possible and let others start accepting there responsibilities. Younis should be kicked out of Pakistan team as I believe his character has always been on the selfish and power hungry side also. As many people made Younis a hype about being so patriotic then I question them now, WHERE IS YOUNIS NOW WHEN THE PAKISTAN CRICKET TEAM IS IN ALL SORTS OF PROBLEM AND REBUILDING? Younis was never a team player anyways he just wanted to show himself fit for the captaincy rather than just keep his mind on the main job which was his batting which he never did in crucial nail biting games especially when it came in world cups. And for the love of God throw kamran akmal out of pakistani team along with rana naveed, they are useless bunch and dead weights.

    Regards,

    Atif Yousuf. Karachi & UK

  • M. SHAHID GUL on April 24, 2007, 9:03 GMT

    If you want consistent performance from Afridi in the ODI's , he MUST be included in the playing 11 of the test squad.

  • Abrar, Bradford on April 24, 2007, 8:40 GMT

    How can anyone mention the name of Shahid Afridi and relate to a responsible positions such as vice captain or Captain. The man has no integrity what's so ever.As one of the comments earlier suggested he was caught on Camera 'roughing up the pitch' against England. He was also seen on TV threatening a fan with his cricket bat. He was fortunate to get off lightly in both instances due to the weakness of the ICC and the favourable bias the ICC shows to Asian teams so it is not accused of racism. Stick to one Captain and one Vice Captain but please not Mr 'cheat' Afridi.

  • Rizwan Younus on April 24, 2007, 8:37 GMT

    Salam to all. Very well written kamran i do disagree with you on one point though Why should younis Khan be a certainty for the test team?? He has time and time again shown his immaturity whilst being vice captain (The champions trophy dummy captain incident and now the rejection of the captaincy full time)if this man refuses the captaincy and does not want to lead his country should the country want him in there team?? debatable. As for inzi what a legend he has been total icon (Younis Take Note) Allah Hafiz.

  • Imran Zia on April 24, 2007, 8:36 GMT

    It is as simple as this. Mohd Yousuf should the Vice captain. His experience would be valuable in teem meetings and would support Malik in the field. It would be a consolation for the seniors group and quash any other desires of being captain by other members of the team. If (I hope it does not happen!)Malik fails to deliver PCB would have to revert to Yousuf.

  • arafat on April 24, 2007, 8:30 GMT

    i agree to the selection for pakistan captancy.we all watching who is the next coach for this wonderful team.we suggest to give the chance for retired players.it could be the great batsman or great bawler.{for example, the great wasim akram,waqar unis,amir suhail......}

  • Pak Fan on April 24, 2007, 8:27 GMT

    Shoaib Malik a captain is already a challenge enough. Not sure if he V.Captain will be any worth if the captain himself would be struggling to keep the team united.

    My vote or wishful thinking is Afridi as captain (so that he get more sensible in his batting) and Shoaib Akthar V.Captain (he won't get injured any more).

    Imagine a combination of Afridi-Capt and Shoaib-V.Capt. Fear management is what Pakistan needs which both of them could put it together.

    Okay, so Malik is the captain.

    Boys will play well, insyallah. I worry we will lose some talented boys because of Capatain Musical Chairs.

    Here's a theory, Sri Lanka wins the world-cup, we then bash them up in the ODI series. Now that would be a "boys played well" !!

  • Gohar Ayub--Bahrain on April 24, 2007, 8:20 GMT

    In my opinion captain & vice captain should be those players who have sound techinique. In this aspect Shoaib Malik is totally wrong choice. Anyhow the decision has already been taken now some sense should prevail and we should prefer Fawad Alam as vice captain of test & one day teams. He has an excellent techinique as opener + an attacking spin bowling option. In addition he is leading Pakistan "A" team. Afridi, Razzaq & comany have passed their peak. Why we are trying old faces when they have repeatedly been tested & tried. Why we don't have trust on new & upcoming talent.

    It is mind bogling to hear that selectors are again preferring toufeeq umer, imran farhat and imran nazir as openers. How many chances would be given to them. None of these players have big match temprament.

  • Adil on April 24, 2007, 8:16 GMT

    Kamran I think you are loosing it!! if you don't have a decent topic, just stay put for a while untill there is something real to discuss about. This is like a circus, the jokers in the board are all of a sudden making 'deep' and oh yes 'unanimus' decisions. You think Yousuf or Afridi would be jumping with joy becoming the deputy of a player who has barely played 18 matches in over 7 years?

    What is really disapointing is that so many of your 'regulars' start singing to your tune. I must say your blogs are an eye opener on how shallow most Pakistani's are... so few have any regard for decency and doing the right thing. Suddenly everyone thinks Salman Butt has a 'cricketing brain', and Younis Khan is now a villian. Give me a break! Shoaib Malik is a nice kid, but making him captain over M Yousuf is a joke. I can't believe how quickly people swing from how religion was the 'binding force' and brought 'calm and descipline' when we were beating India in India, to any one with a 'beard' should be thrown out of the team. Yousuf should not be judged on being religious or not, we don't have to run from one extreme to another...just do te right thing. Yousuf commands the respect of every player on the basis of shear performance, he is the best player in the team and the most respected, like ponting in Australia and Fleming in New Zealand. Everyone will rally to his call. No one knows what kind of a captain he will be, simply because he has NOT been a captain yet. There is everyopportunity to replace him if he is not able to perfomr well as a captain. On the other hand, if Shoab malik fails, there will be all kind of fingure pointing and it will be messy. But come to think of it, that is what we (including you Kamran) enjoy the most.

  • Haris on April 24, 2007, 7:59 GMT

    It’s funny how you criticize cricket board for adopting ad hoc policies but now you are suggesting that we should have two vice captains just to keep everyone happy? Also, Mohammad Yousaf will retire soon so what kind of sense does it make to appoint him as a vice captain? I believe we need to develop a new leadership in this team and give them all the support and confidence they need.

  • Usman on April 24, 2007, 7:58 GMT

    Having Shoaib Malik as the captain for both forms of the game is a step in the right direction and I do not really agree with having two VC's in our cricketing setup. I do not know how many of you out there shall agree on this but I would really like Umar Gul or Muhammad Asif to be the VC in both forms of the game. Although both of them are still relatively new at this level but they have established themselves as a real potent force in both forms of the game in a short period of time.

  • Faisal Durrani on April 24, 2007, 7:58 GMT

    I have read the article and the comments from different corners of the globe, in optimisim you can say whatever you want to, but the fact of the matter is that there is no good choice for the captain. Since a team can not play without a captain, hence we have to try and name one, which, we think, can become a good leader in months or years to come. Lets keep our fingers crossed. Our players are good for playing cricket, but Captains are made of a material which you can not buy from shops. Lets hope that we find a true captain, until then the search is on. ( We were lucky to have seen good times of Pakistan cricket in our lifetime and witnessed the captaincy of Imran and Wasim, but this is once in a lifetime Captains).

  • SADIA AKRAM, DERBY, UK on April 24, 2007, 7:53 GMT

    hi, i usually enjoy reading ur articles but this one makes no sense at all! anyone who has followed pakistan cricket knws this stratgy will not work, simply because the vice captian really want to be the captain! yousuf and afridi, will give plenty of advice but not really listen to malik!!!!

    anyway kamran can u tell me about asif and shoaib, are they allowed to play or still likly to get banned? i really want to knw because i really miss shoiab and asif!

  • Mian Gul Muhammed on April 24, 2007, 7:41 GMT

    I disagree with all of your comments in this blog Kamran. For the first time in its history, PCB has taken a very bold step by bypassing senior players and nominating a junior as their captian and it should stick to its decision. Malik is a good choice and it is a very high time to give a new look to Pakistan's cricket. With regard to naming a voice captian, i personally think Salmab Butt should be a favourite candidate. He is a good player, educated and sensible person, although he has been ignored in the past, but i am of the view that he should be given a run for at least a year or so, without putting any burden on him for failing. I will be much pleased to see supposrting tracks for bowlers in Pakistan for domestic as well as international cricket. Forget preparing a team for next world cup, our target should be to have a strong and competative team and by doing so, we will ultimately prepare for the tournaments. With regard to senior players not listening or supporting their captain, i personally believe that such players should be shown doors becuase unless, we dont make the game bigger than the players, nothing is going to change, We will face the same dilema after years and years. Believe me or not, if had anything to do with Pakistan Cricket, i will take such bold steps and get rid of all those culprits who value themselves more than the country or the game. Noone is bigger than the country and there should not be any compromises, simple as that. I have already said a few times in the past, PCB should make best use of its acadamies to not only groom future players but to also enhance their other skills such as communications, men management etc by introducing different types of courses. Unless we dont improve in such displines, we are not going to get anywhere as the game is not a skill anymore. It has become a science and only talent is not going to be enough as it needs to be polished to be competitive at the heighest level, a skill that Australia and South Africa have mastered. How many times Austrialns and S Africans will captalise on the weaknesses of opponents players to get them out. Austrialians have weaknesses as well but other teams are failling to exploit those weaknesses. I dont know how many people are aware of the fact that Austrian players make use of case studies which are based on their apponent players and they use analytical skills to formulate plans and then execute them to their full potential. It is not the players who have made the Austrian team so succesfull, its their planing, a strong domestic cricket infrastructure, commitment, hardwork, physical and mental strength have got them where they are. All the above are the basic ingredients and only talent is not suffcient.

  • Yasir Farooq on April 24, 2007, 7:39 GMT

    No way is Afridi capable or deserving of VC - there is a debate whether he should even be in the team after years of inconsistent batting and high school shots played at the worst possible moments in the game. He is no Sehwag or Gilchrist. Afridi is just another slogger. Yousef's time has come and gone, his leadership was dented when the VC was taken away from him to be given to the brat known as Younis. If Pakistan has made a bold and forward-looking move by appointing Shoaib Malik as Captain, then there is no reason to appoint a senior player as VC - as it will not be a future investment, and it will also result in that senior VC doing his best to undermine Malik so the Captaincy goes to him. Pakistani minds are very devious and our senior players take the cake when it comes to backstabbing and opportunism. As such, the VC should also be a Junior player. Salman Butt should be the VC. There is little preassure on the VC, so it should not affect Butt as he regains his spot in the team, a spot by the way, that he always deserved yet was overlooked for Inzamam favourites such as the no-talent known as Hafeez and the Slip-Catching machine known as Farhat. Butt also has a good chance to Captain Pakistan one day, and he would make a good deputy to Malik. As for Inzamam, I do not see him getting selected again. His test career is over yet as usual, a Pakistani player will not leave unless he is kicked out the old fashioned way, so Inzamam will probably wait till he is not picked for the South Africa series. He should learn from Lara...but that I guess is too much for Inzamam's Multani head to understand.

  • KH on April 24, 2007, 7:26 GMT

    Mohammad Yousuf, by his own admission, reconed he was in the race for the hot seat. Now, offering him the post of a deputy... well.. might not be the greatest of ideas. It might only cause more harm than good. I would say, now that the selectors have determined that he is not the man to take Pak cricket forward, it is best to leave him to his batting. My two cents.

  • Jamal on April 24, 2007, 7:24 GMT

    Dear Kamran i'm a regular reader of ur posts and i must say that everytime you come up with new ideas just for the sake of the betterment of pak cricket and they r worth applying. However i dare to disagree with u this time coz i think and most of the readers wud agree that to make a senior a vice captain means that we once again starting the same old stories. If in any case a new captain fails board will once again turn to senior and then u know what will happen. We need a young energetic and passionate cricketer with integrity who want to cement his place by hard work. No established player wud do the same. In my opinion Asif or Salman But may be groomed for future captain in case malik fails to deliver, though my best wishes r with the new caption.

  • Nabbu on April 24, 2007, 7:12 GMT

    Hi kamran,

    Its really boring to read such arguments ,the response you see is with such a small number of comments ,why i am commenting to this is your point number 7 " Shahid Afridi should be in every one-day team but he might miss the cut in Test cricket. Give the gusto of Afridi a blast. It is the moment to make him one-day vice-captain" Oh come on Look what he did in South Africa and this was not what happened for the first recall his ban after the previous world cup for sledging the indian players and so many others He must never be considered for any senior post for his attitutude on disciplinary grounds. Secondary his performance.He was and he is never a match winner it is turned into a rheoteric that Afridi can win you a match single handedly which match you are talking of, in last 5 years only match i can recall where he performed brilliantly with the bat as a true match winner was one against India where Pakistan chased 300 plus runs against India in India but what about recent past no match winning performance and at this point i cannot recall any of the fifty in last year or so (perhaps my memory is misguiding me) the GUSTO AFRIDI oooof,can you compare him with Symonds,Styris,Collingwood and Tilikekaratne Dilshan (sorry for the spelling) Pakistan has got a good (not great though)combination of all rounders in face of Shoaib Malik and Abdul Razzaq (a combination of spin and pace)again they particularly Razzaq should elevate his game specifically as a bowler and the rest of the team should be based on specialist players who should know what is their responsibility batting or bowling .In past Pakistan was relying on tooo many all rounders Malik, Razzaq, Afridi and Hafeez this hindered the grooming of specialist in our team, it is the time to reallize the need of specialist players in the team and removal of much tried failures like Afridi.

  • Shahbaz Faheem on April 24, 2007, 6:55 GMT

    Hi Kamran, I think Shahid Afridi should be made VC of both Oneday & Test teams. Afridi is a dashing cricketer and will be intersting to have him as VC to a rather contrasting and down-to-earth Shoaib Malik.

  • Abdul-Rahim Ahmad on April 24, 2007, 6:50 GMT

    Kamran, I guess you forgot that Afridi also has a short beard (beard - or no beard - has been a hidden rule in all your and PCB's choices in captaincy ... but no one would publicly admit it after PJ Mir's stupid prayers in the plane testimony BUT beard plays a central role).

  • Kiran Ahmed - Toronto on April 24, 2007, 6:44 GMT

    Kamran - Your love affair for Shahid Afridi is bordering on ridiculous, for God's sake. Have you been taking the Javed.A.Khan pill for a lack of sanity? A man who averages 23 in ODIS, and is as reckless and inconsistent as they come, has no business in a leadership role for Pakistan. Nowhere in the world would Afridi even be mentioned as a candidate, except Pakistan. And this is not training school Kamran, if Afridi has still not understood he is to play as a responsible player after so long, then why should anyone expect him to change his ways if he has the Vice Cataincy. Please talk some sense. I would suggest you learn from Osman. He usually knows what he is talking about.

  • Roshan on April 24, 2007, 6:35 GMT

    i cant understand y the board didnt appoint yusuf as the captain... that would have solved the senior player issue completely... i really think he is a great player and deserves to lead the side

  • Mabsoos Ahmad on April 24, 2007, 6:25 GMT

    Kamran Sahib,

    Good articles for “Seniors”. Ideally I am not in favour of providing any responsibility to the seniors hence, I am not in agreement with you. Let the seniors enjoy their remaining cricket. Let them shoulder the responsibility without any post. If we go through the history “seniors” have had done better job without having any post. If we go by this, in every cricketing nation, seniors are not interested for any posts rather than enjoying their cricket. So, if you think about vice captaincy the only name could be, keeping in mind, the future – Salman Bhutt. I know it is a risky game but this is a long-term plan and it will reap you in the future and we will win the war and the battle as well. Generally, we appoint vice captain so that he is in a position to take rein after the captain goes. But, look at, YK who just sincerely declined leading the team. We should appreciate his feeling and move forward.

    If we do not appoint separate captain for ODI and Test, it is a bad idea to appoint Shahid Afridi as vice captain for ODI, rather he plays his natural game without any burden. Let us create an atmosphere where “seniors” instill their experience into the field via captain and the captain should consult with their “seniors” at a crucial time who should call a team meeting in the field and take a collective decision. This atmosphere will be key for a success. Abdul Razzaq, Mohammad Yousuf and Shahid Afridi should be not made vice captain, rather a message should be flashed to them that your input is valuable and you are senior partner of the Captain. Let them enjoy their cricket without any responsibility.

    I agree that farewell for Inzy should be like Lara. Let us see how PCB thinks about it and when Inzy decides to hang his boot.

    Some tips for Shoaib Mallik, newly appointed captain :-

    1. A captain should be a good administrator. Team-work is very essential to be a good captain. Remember that captain infuses his stamina into the team and lead from the front. Shoaib you enjoy your cricket without any fear and do not put any pressure on your selves. If you get pressurized, your team member will definitely get into pressure and you will not find desirable result. 2. Keep the dressing room atmosphere friendly and do not hesitate to speak / consult to your teammate when there is any problem. 3. Get rid of “inferiority complex syndrome” 4. Now a days cricket is a mind game. I know you are a very intelligent cricketer, please keep it up. 5. Respect your seniors 6. If there is a moment where hard decision is to be taken, take it boldly. 7. Play attacking cricket with this formula (attack – defense-attack). 8. Concentrate on fielding 9. Be proactive – winning & loosing are the part and parcel of the game but it does matter how we win and how we loose a match. 10. Salman – Yasir may be given a fair chance as an opener as the duo are the best technical batsmen with right and left combination at the present bunch of cricketer in Pakistan. May be they could fail at times but to get the best out of them, you have to give a fair chance. 11. You bat at no. 3 in ODI irrespective of any situation. For test, you should decide where you feel comfortable, in my opinion no 5 or 6 will be an ideal place to bat. 12. Create a culture “Never say die Attitude” and try to improve the body language of every member of the team.

  • M. SHAHID GUL on April 24, 2007, 6:20 GMT

    Madness. Kamran, I think, alongwith Inzi, you must also resign as a writer. Why we keep doing like this. As I had said in my previous posting, why not respect the decision and play cricket for your country. One thing must be clarified. Every player is a known figure today because Pakistan has given them a chance and now they are so-called "stars". No body is above cricket and above Pakistan. Where is patriotism? I believe that all the players must be clearly instructed like this: "Look. We have made a decision. We have chosen a captain among you, which we believe is a correct choice. We will not allow any politics or any player grouping and any under-performance to make him look bad as a captain. If we find anyone involved in such things and proved to be so (and anyone means anyone), severe actions will be taken against those and would be thrown out of the team. You are playing for Pakistan and not for Malik or Afridi or Younis or Yousuf.” Did anyone know that we would have great players like Wasim, Waqar, Saeed Anwar, Inzi, before they came on the scene. No. So my dear friends let me assure you that Pakistan will produce other Greats in the coming time. Be patient. So anyone who indulges in player grouping or purposely under-performs, must be banned for playing cricket at any level. We should be afraid that we may loose a "good" player in doing so. Bad though Kamran, we are not here to make some individuals happy. Players have to play and perform for Pakistan irrespective of the “Captain Issue”.

    I don’t always agree with Mr. Javed A. Khan, but I totally agree with his posting: JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA at April 23, 2007 9:34 AM in the “Malik rises above Hierarchy”. I would like to add something to this. I believe that the Aussies cannot bear anyone rising from the Asian Subcontinent (Superiority Complex and Racist Reasons). Malcolm Speed is an Aussie. Since the “Hair (An Aussie) Episode” and then “Nandrolone”, the ICC especially Malcolm Speed is doing whatever possible he can do to damage Pakistan Cricket. Examples: “Ponting & Co.” pushed aside the President of the biggest cricket board in the world (BCCI) and insulted him with bad gestures. Did not they bring the game into disrepute? No action was taken, inspite of complaint from BCCI President. Then in another case, a spectator insults Afridi after he got out. Afridi shows bat to the spectator (I am not saying he was correct in doing that). Nobody complains. Match Referee calls the player and officials and matter is over. Appears the Villain Speed and instructs Match Referee to ban Afridi instead of banning the spectator who started it. What a shame and bi-standard. I think that in the tournaments directly under ICC, the pitch responsibility is that of ICC and that of ICC pitch curator (someone please correct me if I am wrong). Why only Pakistan got green-top seaming pitches in both ICC Champions Trophy and ICC World Cup, against teams who are borne and flourish under such conditions, and on both occasions, Pakistan didn’t have Shoaib & Asif. Why only Pakistan and nobody else. Even though it cannot be given as an excuse for our failure but then again, why only us. I bet you won’t see any such pitch in an Australia match, suppose they loose toss to SA or NZ.

    Its time to be strong and be patient. Good luck to all Pakistanis, wherever they are.

  • Robert on April 24, 2007, 6:07 GMT

    I really don't think the two Vice Captain idea will work. So far as I can tell there are too many big heads in the Pakistan camp as it is.

    Younis Khan, well nuff said really. Not an option even in a crisis. Not that this is new news after all, we all remember him refusing to be captain before while Inzi was facing a ban.

    Afridi hardly brings the spirit that one would expect from a captain. Sure he has all the fire and desire to perform, but his track record suggest that that very same fire is one thing he can't control.

    Salman Butt, when was the last time he played?

    Abdul Razzaq, well I actually like this guy. I think he is one of the more rounded players and should be able to offer somewhat of a thinking option to the vice captain role.

    Shoaib Akhtar should be lucky to get a game after his antics. Will he be fit or cleared to play again in the near future?

    Mohammad Yousuf, sadly time is not on his side. But right now I think his calm collected aproach should be used as a foil for Malik. I think this might be the best idea for the next year or so.

    Possibly in time it might happen that they do name 2 vice captains. Selection is key here. You can't name the same 11 but have 2 different vice captains. If that is the case you will have a few very unhappy players out there.

  • Shazad Ali Khan ( Johannesburg, South Africa) on April 24, 2007, 6:02 GMT

    Kamran i totally disagree with your suggestion. When are you going to write about the need for professionalism of the highest standards in Pakistan cricket team. Its totally upto the management to appoint who they think is the most appropriate person for the captaincy and vice captaincy. Then among the 11 players, everybody has a specific job to do. They can like or dislike, but when they walk into the ground, they are supposed to do their job to the best of their ability.I suppose Pakistan is the only team in the world where captain is chosen according to the age of the player.If it was otherwise, my friend Inzi would have never been made captain.I am sure the seniors are(and should) always be available to give their opinion, but i suggest that a vice captain is also chosen with same vigour as the captain who one day is expected to lead the team when needed. We are talking about sports, a very competitive sport. This is not politics where sometimes ministries are given to incompetent people just to keep their votes. I suggest they appoint someone who is expected to be in the team for long time like Mohammesd Asif

  • H.Malik on April 24, 2007, 5:52 GMT

    Dear Kamran , I will take your last point first , Fully agreed , INZI should have done it already but one should not be surprised , "STARDOM" kills if there is nay sense prevailing as a humble human being . INZI should learn from MARK TAYLOR and keep himself away from breaking a legend's record so the best would be YES on the EVE of the next home test series , INZI MUST tell the selectors now that he is not available & then announce his retirement from the TEST side too , perhaps he then will have my vote to be considered a real sportman with heart !

    On your other points , why to indulg in a sort of bribing the serniors ! ( you seem to be true reflection of MUSHI the general , he promised to have Zero tolerance of corruption and nepotism and just look at his LAGEST EVER ASSEMBLED Crooks and Corrupt so called Q-Leaguers & the ohte hangers on . WHY Not to learn good things from our contemporaries SA , did they bribe Khalis , Rodes & copmany AND Certainly Pollack to rope them in to the team performance under young SMITH ? Is SA not performing now , did not the other seniors looked them in the mirror and bid adiou themselves because they were not up to the mark ?? So WHY to bribe Afridi & Yousuf , why not tell them give consistant performance or you are out of the reckoning . SO Why not give this job to among one of the time tested set of young leaders iN HASSAN REZA , IN SARFRAZ AHMED ? Why to waste even a day on the old iron ? Are you not being sucked into the same game of MUSHY and are suggesting to bribe the so called seniors , as a respected writer , I was expecting a honest and unbiased suggestion from you for the younger generation of leaders who some how have already proved they can hanlde the job and bring glory to the game ! Who is better candidate for the VC job than Sarfraz Ahmed or Hassan Reza ? Afridi has no brain , Yousuf is anothger INZI in the offing , Rezzaq has passed his time , Butt is not even considered for a place in the side ... COME ON KAMRAN , Be realistic and honest in your advice , give you backing to the young lads from the under 19 and I am sure like SA , Pak will never look back ..........I rest my case

  • Dawar on April 24, 2007, 5:46 GMT

    Captain of under 19 team, who won the world cup for us should be the vice captain of our cricket team or Captain of Pakistan Academy (Fawwad Alam)could be a Vice Captain. Fawwad Alam is doing well with bat and ball in Bangladesh as a Captain. Our old horses lost two world cups for us without any fighting spirit. What is the guarantee they will won next world cup for us? This is a time we need to move.

    We should try new opening pairs (Khalid Latif, Khurrum Manzoor or Babar Naeem), new wicket keeper (Sarfraz Ahmed) and choose vice captain from the young & clean blood.

    Dawar LA, USA

  • Ali Imran, AlKhobar, Saudi Arabia on April 24, 2007, 5:45 GMT

    Dear Kamran, I agree with all of your points except # 9. Making Yousuf a Vice-Captain, comeon give him a break. Yousuf has already been subjected to lot of humiliation for no fault of his. He made Vice-Captain and then replaced by Younis Khan without reason and he has not been considered for the Captaincy even though he was the most deserving if not in One-day in Test Cricket he should have been the Captain. Now you are suggesting that he be made the Vice-Captain of Shoaib Malik who is not even half of the talent & experience of Yousuf.

    Kamran, leave Yousuf alone. He is & will do fine as a bastman. Don't try to humiliate a great bastman & great human-being of Yousuf's stature.

  • Syed Talha Izhar on April 24, 2007, 5:35 GMT

    Indeed a feasible idea but i feel mohammad yousuf is not that sort of a person who would feel a punch in the gut playing under shoaib malik.He is not the typical leader that we want to see and his expression arent too concrete to create an impact(as we have seen how his willingness to captain the team was dealt by the board) and his more than humble sentences are not going to raise a revolt like we have seen in the past so we can let him play as a senior player and give some other player a chance to prove him self as a contender to that position. you havent mentioned kamran akmal and danish kaneria, i feel since they both are part of the test team one of them should be given a chance to be the vice-captain of Pakistan. Lets just see what the young blood has to offer!!!

  • Shahzad Moin on April 24, 2007, 5:21 GMT

    Afridi can be a good choice for the vice captain in one day side but I think Umar Gul is a better choice for the vice captain for the tests as well as one days.Instead of Yousaf,as he is the senoir most member of the team,besides Inzamam,and should play only as the best batsman of the team. Keeping the senior members away from the leaership positions is good for avoiding the grouping in the team.

  • Ammar Nomani on April 24, 2007, 5:20 GMT

    Actually I was thinking the same thing but test vice-captain Yousuf???? not really Dont bring another Inzamam He should continue bieng the team's run making machine

  • Amanzeb Khan on April 24, 2007, 5:19 GMT

    There are not a lot of choices for the vice captain's slot. Your suggestions make some sense though it would be important for Shoaib Malik to have a comfortable working relationship with this deputy. Shoaib Malik is new to the job and he has to be made as comfortable with his new position as possible. I think it would be unfair on Yousuf to make him vice captain but not keep him in the running for captaincy in the long run. He has made it clear that he wants to captain Pakistan but would support whoever is at the helm. Appointing him vice captain just because you dont have a choice and then dumping him when you find someone younger seems a bit unfair. Salman Butt's name keeps popping up as probable future captain. It would be fair to make him vice captain at this stage. It will not place too much of pressure on him and may be an additional incentive for him to work towards cementing his place in the playing eleven.

  • Abdul Basit, Calgary, Canada on April 24, 2007, 4:55 GMT

    Very interesting article Kamran. In my previous posting, I suggested to make Shahid Afridi as Vice Captain, though in both forms. I still believe so, as Afridi has a better record in Test cricket as compared to shorter version of the game. He has proved himself in Test cricket with bat and ball and is constant threat for the opposition, ask India for a point or two. His agile presence in the field brings energy in the team. The only problem is the no. 6 position where I would like him to bat, is currently occupied by the new Captain. So unless Malik decides to open the innings, Afridi finds no place in the batting order in the presence of Inzi & Mo Yo. His moment will come once Inzi hangs his boots. Till that time Yousuf looks a sensible choice as Vice Captain as he is an experienced fellow and will lend a helping hand to young Malik.

  • Junaid on April 24, 2007, 4:53 GMT

    I can't agree more. A little bit of responsibility might help Afridi be a bit more careful in his shot selections. His bowling has never been better in ODI's and he can play in the ODI's on this strength alone. For tests we need someone with maturity to guide Malik in the first few months - and there seems to be no one better than M. Yousuf to bring in that cool and calm attitute. On a similar token could we please try out two wicket keepers? Kamran Akmal can stay in the ODI team basis his batting but we need a specialist wicket keeper for test matches... perhaps till the time Kamran Akmal gets his technique right!

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on April 24, 2007, 4:52 GMT

    Kamran Abbassi; Sir - It seems like you are short of a topic in creating a new thread, hence this subject of strategy for seniors and support for juniors seems like a combo of khichri & khogeena to me. Previously, we all have been discussing about giving leadership responsibilities to a relatively young, gutsy and a dynamic person. Now, after Shoaib Malik has been chosen as a captain, you are talking about the age-old technique for reining in a delinquent elder to give the support to the captain and some additional responsibility to the senior! To me it seems like you are negating your own views which you have expressed in the previous threads. I feel the captain doesn't need any support, it sounds like spoon feeding and the undue responsibility would be superfluous and absolutely unnecessary.

    About vice captain(s), if a captain is strong enough, the vice captain has practically no say in team selection or decision making, if a vice captain is shrewed then there is always a tug of war, petty politics and power play. To have two vice captains is pointless, its better to have one big vice rather than two small vice. I think its better not have any designated vice captain. Just a hint of who is second in command is enough, and that too only in case when the captain is not playing or when he is off the field everyone should know who is in charge. I know a lot of people came up with the idea of making two or even three captains for each form of the game. In my opinion, if Shoaib Malik is good to lead the ODI's and if he can also assure his place in the test team, then he must be the captain for test, ODI and for twenty20 as well. There is no need to distribute sweets on every occasion to keep the whole clan happy.

    I agree with your remaining nine points except with a minor disagreement about your doubts for not including Shahid Afridi in the test side. Recently you were talking about making him the captain of the team and now you say: he might miss the cut in Test cricket. How come you change your views with the tide? His batting average of 37.40 in test matches is better than his ODI average and his bowling prowess is always an asset and at times he is better than the regular specialist spinners.

    Yes, Inzamam made a mistake by not announcing his test retirement, sooner or later when he is not included even in the test side, he will regret his decision. Therefore, he must announce his retirement in test cricket as well, and sooner the better. Finally, this one is for Venky: Dude you must focus your observational pursuits on Tendulkar rather than sympathizing with Mohammad Yousuf. You better advise Tendulkar to call it a day, I hope he is not going to play cricket till such time he kicks the bucket!

  • WASIM SAQIB on April 24, 2007, 4:38 GMT

    PCB should keep a close eye on all the seniors and any acts of sabotage or revolts should be severly punished,judging from the statements of some of the senior players it appears that they are accepting Shoaib Malik half heartedly and sooner or later we might see the seniors not giving their 100% in times of need.In order to prevent the seniors from showing any rogue behavior Shoaib should assert his authority from the very first match,and PCB should create a bench consisting of strong replacements for these seniors. PCB has already made one mistake by allowing Younis to play for the county,senior players who do not co-operate the best way to control them is by hurting them financialy.I think PCB missed the opportunity to make a statement.

    The National selection committee announced the names of 39 players who are invited to the camp for selection, a lot of changes are expected, Yasir Hamid is expected to fill one opening slot, there is competition between Imran farhat and Khurram Manzoor for the second slot, both are scoring heavily in the domestic season,although Salman butt, Imran Nazir, and Khalid Latif are also in contention, but the scores made by Khalid Latif and Salman butt were not against quality bowling, and Imran Nazir bcz of his batting style might not get selected.

    The #3 Spot is expected to go to Mohammad Yousaf.

    The #4 spot has the toughest competition Misbah-ul Haq, Hasan Raza, Naved Latif, and Shahid Yousaf will compete for this spot. Misbah is ranked #1 batsman in the domestic cricket he has been scoring heavily and is the strongest contender, his only weak point is his failure in the past at international level. Hasan Raza although scored in some matches but his overall average has not been impressive as he has been inconsistent in the domestic tournaments and his performance in the international arena like Misbah has been dismal. Naved Latif is scoring consistently against good teams he can bowl too so that’s a plus point for him, Shahid yousaf is also a good batsman and plays for Sialkot but he was also inconsistent this year, the competition will be between Misbah and Hasan Raza. The # 5 spot in my opinion should go to Fawad Alam who is scoring consistently in the domestic cricket, he is also a decent bowler, his competition is with Asim Kamal who is struggling for form this year in the domestic competitions, hopefully he will regain his form before the next test series.

    # 6 spot will automatically go to the new skipper Shoaib Malik.

    #7 Spot has competition between Afridi and Razzak. Afridi is in form with the bowl and is most likely to take this spot. # 8 spot will see competition among Zulqernain Kamran Akmal, and Sarfraz Ahmed. I think Kamran will be able to retain his place just bcz of his batting skills as his competitors can’t bat and are typical tailenders. I think for #9 and # 10 spots there is no competition Umar gul and Mohammad Asif will fill these spots. However, there will be stiff competition between, Sami, Shabbir, and Rao for the 11th spot.I hope that Sami is selected.

    The # 12 spot will see competition between Abdur Rehman and Tahir Khan both have bowled exceptionally well in the domestic season and are the leading wicket takers.

    The selectors will find it really hard to find the right balance as if Razzak or Hafeez are excluded Pakistan will struggle for the Fifth bowling option Malik and Fawad Alam will share those overs, and both of them will have to work really hard to improve their bowling skills.

    The new selection committee chief has already made it clear that he is not too fond of all-rounders and trusts the specialists more, so we might see a specialist bowler included in place of Afridi. But given the lack of experience in the batting line up, Pakistan needs one all-rounder to give the team more depth in the batting.

  • Humayun Mirza on April 24, 2007, 4:32 GMT

    Ineresting thoughts! I wish though that Shoaib Akhtar had been a contender. He would have made an inspirational, aggressive and intelligent captain.

  • Hammad on April 24, 2007, 4:30 GMT

    I principally agrees with Kamran and we all have seen Shahid being a very proactive captain in twenty twenty, but I guess Shoaib Malik should also have to be sensible here to not to be too authoritative to disturb this fragile balance on which PCB is working.

  • Umair from San Francisco, CA on April 24, 2007, 4:27 GMT

    Another age old technique of reining in a delinquent elder is to cut 'em loose...That is why it is so important to give the captain at least a couple of year mandate so that pissed off seniors dont under perform and/or work behind the scene to ouster the younger captain. As far as vice captain is concerned, I am not too familiar with leadership qualities of other players but Umar Gul is very intriguing...He is young, has a bright future and a very good prospect for Pakistan. He does posses great presence on the field and is very passionate about his profession. Why not start to slowly groom him and give him the required assistance to develop his leadership and soft skills...If he is in fact interested in being the VC then enroll him in classes and seminars to further foster those skills. Oh BTW knowing half way decent english should be required 'cause these men (capt and v.capt) convey Pakistan to the rest of the world. It is ver disconcerting when a capt or a v.capt speaks in tutti fruiti english(tha thee thoo..the boys is play good cricket).

  • Mufti Wajid on April 24, 2007, 4:19 GMT

    I agree with the fact of making Shshid Afridi the vice-captain. Infact I would have preferred him as captain and Malik as his deputy. I believe he is the guy who will show more commitment from more responsibility rather than go down due to the burden of added responsibility. He is naturally agressive and some one who lifts the team up, so in that case he will be a better motivator. And maybe he is the one who can control guys like Akhtar or at times dictate terms to the opposition. Regarding your two vice-captain strategy I think I should disagree with that. Yousuf definitely is the best batsman Pakistan have but leadership is not his cup of tea. He is too laid back and probably lacks fitness levels too. What is the purpose of having a leader (deputy) who has to go off the field frequently and has to field at thirdman or cover. Yousuf himself should understand this and also accept this. he is the best batsman and he should focus on tremaining that.

  • Saqib on April 24, 2007, 4:16 GMT

    AOA

    I think PCB has done injustice with M Yousaf after appointing for a captain for a day and removing him with out any justification and now you are thinking making him a test VC which is like rubbing salt in the wound. How we have guessed the ability of captaincy of him with out trying him for few games. We never give respect to our greats.

    ALLAH HAFIZ

  • siraaj ahamed on April 24, 2007, 4:16 GMT

    Shoib malik will do good captaincy for Pakistan. i wish to him.But Pakistan not under control with any captain or not playing as team work.I think pakistan want to reorgnized the openers. I think one man on aggresive and other one want to defending or technicaly batsman.Also shoib malik want to 3rd possition.He want to change his batiing style like agressive with defending.After making fifty he going to hit any places this is not good for captacy.pakistan team believe islam very much i think.........why they canot play oneteam....

  • Faraz on April 24, 2007, 4:15 GMT

    I do not agree with this idea. It would be wise to appoint someone younger than Shoib to groom him when Shoaib is not available.When a new beginning has been made it should not be limited to the captain.Seniors have lost the battle and are no more in this race.I think Asif would be a good choice.Salman and others have yet to cement their places in the team.

  • Ashfaq Shah on April 24, 2007, 4:12 GMT

    Seriously, do you really players like Yousuf who clearly had captaincy ambitions will play as a vice captain under malik ? I usually enjoy your articles Mr. Kamran but this was absurd.

  • Khurram on April 24, 2007, 3:49 GMT

    I am not sure if having two captains is going to be a sound strategy. I believe just as with captain a vice-captain should be given a long run and it should not be a senior. What Pakistan team has lacked over last decade is consistency at every position from an opening batsman to an opening bowler. Selectors should persist with same combinations for at least 10 test matches and 20 to 30 ODIs. This will confidence to the players and they wont be playing for their position in the team instead they will be focusing on delivering for the team without a backlash from media and yes as hard to admit whole of Pakistan. Just to give an example Shane Watson I the current australian team, every single pundit is saying he doesn’t deserve a spot on the team but due to selectors and captains faith he is delivering consistently with both bat and ball and he is not half the player which Pakistan picked in their 30 man camp. Again to reiterate what Pakistan needs is consistency so what if they lose 50 to 60% of their matches to start with, once they will start delivering it will be consistent and for a long period.

  • hussey on April 24, 2007, 3:25 GMT

    Hi! This is Atif from Pakistan and i believe making afridi and yousaf the vice captains for ODI and Test side respectively is gonna work for sure specially in ODIs well for Razzaq i will only say........ He is tried, tested and a failure at that ............so yah. GO the distance MALIK....may GOD bless you.. Hussey

  • AMIN S. on April 24, 2007, 3:09 GMT

    I dont think M.Yousuf will be happy as vice captain under a young captain. He will always feel that he should have been the captain and may always try to prove his captain wrong. But if he happily agrees to be the vice captain then its fine and he should be vice captain in both Test and ODIs. To name Afridi as VC for ODIs sounds Ify?. First he should perform with responsibility on a regular basis and if he can do so then he can even become Captain in the future. Though I wish best of luck to Malik but usually our Captains dont last long. If Malik grows a big beard (I hope he dont) then his chances are better to last long as a captain. Anyway I wish S.Malik and Pak team best of luck. No matter whatever happens and whatever we say, afterall its our team and we love them always.

  • F Khan on April 24, 2007, 3:01 GMT

    I disagree with the two captains strategy however I totally agree with Shahid Afridi as a choice. I think Pakistan need a radical approach and Afridi is radical enough. In one day agression works and thats how the Aussies play. Get your opponents unsettled from the word go and thats what Afridi is all about. We need a few more players like Afridi who unlike him are also consistent.

  • Omar on April 24, 2007, 2:53 GMT

    I thought the rumor was that Asif would be the deputy to Malik. In anycase Afridi just came back to the national side in the South African tour and was not part of the side before that. He had been in the team on and off for some time now. We already have a captain about whom many have said that he is yet to cement his place in either side (thought I fully support Malik as captain) we dont need to make a deputy like him as well. I think Asif would be a good choice but no Yousaf. I mean we should groom the next captain not please the senior players. Just my 2 cents.

  • Salman on April 24, 2007, 2:52 GMT

    I don't agree with having 2 cptans or vice captains. They should be a permanent. vice captain can be tried in different occasions and tested his abilities. Regarding Afridi: he came to the team as a bowler and he is still a good bowler. His batting quality should be considered as a plus, but not to depend on it. Younis Khan is the ultimate choice for a captain. perhaps in future things change and we still ask him to lead the side.

  • Talal on April 24, 2007, 2:46 GMT

    An interesting approach Mr. Abbasi. To be fair though, I doubt the PCB would ever be willing to take such an unorthodox approach to the vice-captaincy issue. Its also unlikely that it would sit well with Yousuf, who is very much in contention for the one day side at all times given our volatile batting lineup.

  • M. Zaidi (Los Angeles) on April 24, 2007, 2:27 GMT

    Aren't we forgetting that Afridi is the same fella caught red-handed cheating, messing the pitch up in front of dozens of cameras? A leader must possess impeccable reputation and integrity. Let's do the right thing when shaping the future of Pakistan cricket.

  • Ikram-Los Angeles USA on April 24, 2007, 2:06 GMT

    It is always interesting to read your post. but i dont understand how you can come up with this 2 vice captain theory. least of all afridi and yousuf. one is a trouble maker and other is not inspiring at all. Has'nt this been discussed that seniority should not be a criteria. when will yousuf get a chance to be captain. or do you know something we dont. lest they boot malik in a short time. The vice captain should be some one who is confident of himself and should be able to take the pressure of international cricket and is willing to learn along the way. We can not let player power dictate pakistan cricket. these ungratefull players should be told in no uncertain terms that they should be honored to wear the green cap. otherwise they can go. we cannot make somebody VC just to please or placate these seniors. If they are trouble makers and they dont want to cooperate with the captain!!!! they should be dropped. And if someone underperforms just to make the captain look bad, as Younis has asserted in the past. That is equal to treason. I would have them jailed or shot. There comes a time when something drastic has to be done and these ungrateful buggers should be made an example of.

    On another note the names for camp have been announced and there are no places for the anwer ali, irfan fazil(very similar to waqar in action), akhtar ayub and jamshaid. why arent the younger bowlers being given a chance in camp because thats an ideal time for them to learn from national team bowlers. i know this post is for the 2 vc theory but i had to get it out. plus finally now rauf and najaf have been called up. their time was a few years ago. they are mature and still have a few yrs in them. Kamran you should do a post on bowlers, specifically fast bowlers. why do we just stick to just 2or 3 bowlers. and when they get injured we dont have any experienced replacements. for example, shoaib, asif and rana went down and we lost the series to england. Look at australia, they have been playing and grooming shaun tait, nathan bracken, mitchell johnson. and that when needed, these bowlers are ready.

    Look at the american baseball, they have a rotation system. they have atleast five designated starting pitchers(bowlers) and middle relievers and closers( who come in to bowl at the closing stages of the game. This way it enables them to always have a backup. one person is not the end of it all.

  • Atif on April 24, 2007, 2:05 GMT

    Disagree with all of them... different vice captains makes no sense at all....yousaf will be in both teams and so will be Afridi so what will it be like for them to trade roles every tour?? Neither of them will be happy cause they would feel like its just a fake gesture to make them shut up and be happy....it will also be an opportunity missed to groom the next captain who might be needed soon in case Malik fails. You can have different captains only when one of the captains doesn't play in other side like Steve Waugh....even Australia didn't do this when Steve was playing both tests and ODis and Pakistan at the moment is the last team to be experimenting and trying new stuff...we need to first get stabilized and back on top before we can take risks like that. Asif would be my Vice captain because he is intelligent, consistent, young, and hard working. He has a wonderful cricketing brain. He has only 1 year experience yet he looks like he has been playing for decades. He outsmarts the batsman almost every time he picks up a wicket. He is also very hard working. Unlike Afridi who makes the same mistakes day after and has failed to correct himself in ten years, Asif did it after just 1 series.

  • Saleem Dawoodi on April 24, 2007, 1:50 GMT

    With reference to point # 8, if Yousuf is not good enough to be a captain today, I dont he will ever be and if this is the case then whats the point of making him a vice-captain when he cant captain in the future.

  • Samad.S. on April 24, 2007, 1:46 GMT

    Yes, i totally agree, inzi should do what lara did, but i think that Salman Butt should be Vice for both one-day and test team, he is a very good talent still young, and will make an excellent leader in the future, he and malik can do wonder's for pakistan cricket if they are guided well, they are still both young and captains of their respective domestic teams, 2 vice captains + a Normal captain, not a bad idea.

    Samad

  • Umer Farooq on April 24, 2007, 1:10 GMT

    Brilliant assessment. I agree all the way.

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  • Umer Farooq on April 24, 2007, 1:10 GMT

    Brilliant assessment. I agree all the way.

  • Samad.S. on April 24, 2007, 1:46 GMT

    Yes, i totally agree, inzi should do what lara did, but i think that Salman Butt should be Vice for both one-day and test team, he is a very good talent still young, and will make an excellent leader in the future, he and malik can do wonder's for pakistan cricket if they are guided well, they are still both young and captains of their respective domestic teams, 2 vice captains + a Normal captain, not a bad idea.

    Samad

  • Saleem Dawoodi on April 24, 2007, 1:50 GMT

    With reference to point # 8, if Yousuf is not good enough to be a captain today, I dont he will ever be and if this is the case then whats the point of making him a vice-captain when he cant captain in the future.

  • Atif on April 24, 2007, 2:05 GMT

    Disagree with all of them... different vice captains makes no sense at all....yousaf will be in both teams and so will be Afridi so what will it be like for them to trade roles every tour?? Neither of them will be happy cause they would feel like its just a fake gesture to make them shut up and be happy....it will also be an opportunity missed to groom the next captain who might be needed soon in case Malik fails. You can have different captains only when one of the captains doesn't play in other side like Steve Waugh....even Australia didn't do this when Steve was playing both tests and ODis and Pakistan at the moment is the last team to be experimenting and trying new stuff...we need to first get stabilized and back on top before we can take risks like that. Asif would be my Vice captain because he is intelligent, consistent, young, and hard working. He has a wonderful cricketing brain. He has only 1 year experience yet he looks like he has been playing for decades. He outsmarts the batsman almost every time he picks up a wicket. He is also very hard working. Unlike Afridi who makes the same mistakes day after and has failed to correct himself in ten years, Asif did it after just 1 series.

  • Ikram-Los Angeles USA on April 24, 2007, 2:06 GMT

    It is always interesting to read your post. but i dont understand how you can come up with this 2 vice captain theory. least of all afridi and yousuf. one is a trouble maker and other is not inspiring at all. Has'nt this been discussed that seniority should not be a criteria. when will yousuf get a chance to be captain. or do you know something we dont. lest they boot malik in a short time. The vice captain should be some one who is confident of himself and should be able to take the pressure of international cricket and is willing to learn along the way. We can not let player power dictate pakistan cricket. these ungratefull players should be told in no uncertain terms that they should be honored to wear the green cap. otherwise they can go. we cannot make somebody VC just to please or placate these seniors. If they are trouble makers and they dont want to cooperate with the captain!!!! they should be dropped. And if someone underperforms just to make the captain look bad, as Younis has asserted in the past. That is equal to treason. I would have them jailed or shot. There comes a time when something drastic has to be done and these ungrateful buggers should be made an example of.

    On another note the names for camp have been announced and there are no places for the anwer ali, irfan fazil(very similar to waqar in action), akhtar ayub and jamshaid. why arent the younger bowlers being given a chance in camp because thats an ideal time for them to learn from national team bowlers. i know this post is for the 2 vc theory but i had to get it out. plus finally now rauf and najaf have been called up. their time was a few years ago. they are mature and still have a few yrs in them. Kamran you should do a post on bowlers, specifically fast bowlers. why do we just stick to just 2or 3 bowlers. and when they get injured we dont have any experienced replacements. for example, shoaib, asif and rana went down and we lost the series to england. Look at australia, they have been playing and grooming shaun tait, nathan bracken, mitchell johnson. and that when needed, these bowlers are ready.

    Look at the american baseball, they have a rotation system. they have atleast five designated starting pitchers(bowlers) and middle relievers and closers( who come in to bowl at the closing stages of the game. This way it enables them to always have a backup. one person is not the end of it all.

  • M. Zaidi (Los Angeles) on April 24, 2007, 2:27 GMT

    Aren't we forgetting that Afridi is the same fella caught red-handed cheating, messing the pitch up in front of dozens of cameras? A leader must possess impeccable reputation and integrity. Let's do the right thing when shaping the future of Pakistan cricket.

  • Talal on April 24, 2007, 2:46 GMT

    An interesting approach Mr. Abbasi. To be fair though, I doubt the PCB would ever be willing to take such an unorthodox approach to the vice-captaincy issue. Its also unlikely that it would sit well with Yousuf, who is very much in contention for the one day side at all times given our volatile batting lineup.

  • Salman on April 24, 2007, 2:52 GMT

    I don't agree with having 2 cptans or vice captains. They should be a permanent. vice captain can be tried in different occasions and tested his abilities. Regarding Afridi: he came to the team as a bowler and he is still a good bowler. His batting quality should be considered as a plus, but not to depend on it. Younis Khan is the ultimate choice for a captain. perhaps in future things change and we still ask him to lead the side.

  • Omar on April 24, 2007, 2:53 GMT

    I thought the rumor was that Asif would be the deputy to Malik. In anycase Afridi just came back to the national side in the South African tour and was not part of the side before that. He had been in the team on and off for some time now. We already have a captain about whom many have said that he is yet to cement his place in either side (thought I fully support Malik as captain) we dont need to make a deputy like him as well. I think Asif would be a good choice but no Yousaf. I mean we should groom the next captain not please the senior players. Just my 2 cents.

  • F Khan on April 24, 2007, 3:01 GMT

    I disagree with the two captains strategy however I totally agree with Shahid Afridi as a choice. I think Pakistan need a radical approach and Afridi is radical enough. In one day agression works and thats how the Aussies play. Get your opponents unsettled from the word go and thats what Afridi is all about. We need a few more players like Afridi who unlike him are also consistent.