Samir Chopra June 16, 2009

Flexibility should lie in batsmen

I realized, with a little start of surprise, as this World Cup went on, that I have absolutely no idea of what the Indian batting order, is, or has been, for a while
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Adaptive flexibility, I never tire of reminding the students in my foundations of artificial intelligence class, is a good thing; its what seemingly separates us humans from the lower rungs of the cognitive ladder. The Indian captain MS Dhoni, and the Indian team's brain-trust clearly thinks this virtue is paramount when it comes to batting orders, for if there is one constant in the Indian limited-overs team, it is this: the batting order is inconstant.

It is not my intention here to offer a full-fledged post-mortem of India's early exit from the ICC World Twenty20. All I would like to do is to point out a mistaken emphasis in India's planning for its batting line-up. Which is that the Indian captain seems to think that flexibility in approaching match situations is achieved by changing the batting order. I'd like to suggest that the flexibility should inhere in the batsmen themselves, and not in the order in which they are sent in.

That is, a cricket team should concentrate on making sure the batsmen in the batting order are flexible in their approaches to a particular match situation. If you are a No. 3, and an early wicket falls, you play a little differently than you do if there are a hundred runs on the board. If you are a No. 6, and the team is in trouble, as opposed to looking for a declaration, you bat a little differently. And so on.

Yes, I know, its obvious. But if it's so obvious, then why can't the Indian team settle into a stable batting order, with instructions to its members that read, "When you go out to play, keep in mind the match situation and play accordingly?" Why, instead, does the standing rule appear to be "We'll send in different batsmen in every game, depending on how things are panning out in the middle?" The latter doesn't seem to indicate great confidence in the batting order's ability to be flexible and capable of raising their level depending on a given match situation. And a batting line-up that is not capable of responding to a variety of match situations doesn't sound like a very good side.

I realised, with a little start of surprise, as this World Cup went on, that I have absolutely no idea of what the Indian batting order, is, or has been, for a while. I've associated Sehwag and Gambhir with the opening position. The rest is a bit of a blur. Who is our No. 3? Who is our No. 6? I have no clue. Do the batsmen in the team know which position they will be playing in on a given day? Sure, sending them in at different positions challenges them. But why not give them stability in their expectations of where they are to play and instead demand adaptiveness in their responses to match situations?

The game of cricket throws many, many, variants at its players. The good teams adapt and alter their game in response (as do the good players). The Indian team has the right idea. But the tactic it has chosen, that of constantly chopping and changing the order, is backwards. Make a player own a position, and tell him he needs to change as the game demands. He will be a better player for it; and the team, having established some stability in one part of its tactical arsenal, can get on with planning around it. Having to decide, before every single game, what the batting order is to be is an unnecessary increase in workload for both captain and coach. A relatively stable batting order would be one step towards enabling a greater focus on improving cricketing skills (such as fielding and playing the short-pitched ball, for instance). Which really seems to be where the Indian team's attentions should be directed at this point in time.

Samir Chopra lives in Brooklyn and teaches Philosophy at the City University of New York. He tweets here

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  • Jessica on November 10, 2012, 19:58 GMT

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  • sarith on June 29, 2009, 12:17 GMT

    Dhoni should have used rohit in t20 world cup... see how he bowled... he didnt use raina.. he also bowled well in IPL..

  • Jitesh Dani on June 25, 2009, 13:09 GMT

    You have made a very good point here about the flexibility of batsman as opposed to the flexibility of the batting order. By tinkering with the batting order in every match, none of our batsman were settled at a particular spot in the batting lineup. Sometime Dhoni would come up the order at 1-down, sometime he will come at 3 down. If we would have been consistent with the batting order and if we had sent Yuvi in the critical game again England, we could have possibly won that game.

    But anyways, the faigue and continuous cricket that Indian team is playing, this result was bound to happen in some tournament. They are playign like robots. They have not rested a bit after Newzeland tour at all.

  • srikumar on June 18, 2009, 2:17 GMT

    I would like to draw your attention to some fundamentals here. If you look at every major cricket country other than India, each of them is no more than size of one Indian state. Think of major cricket countries: Australia, South Africa, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, West Indies, England, Newzealand, toss-in Bangladesh, Ireland, Netherlands etc., -- each is about the size of one Indian state such as AP, UP, Karnataka. Questions: a) Given the great interest in the great Indian cricket, why isn't there a state level infrastructure, where each Ranji team can potentially generate talent, and even compete, with other conutries? b) given the Indian National Team presumably is a collection of the best talents from several states, why isn't the best from 20 or so teams, at the top of performance in the international arena, fairly consistently -- they do not have to win every series? I am putting these questions out for discussion.

  • Rajesh.S on June 17, 2009, 14:42 GMT

    Do not agree fully with the views. There is a role played by each member of the team. You cannot expect middle order player to consistently don opener's role or vice versa. Kallis can only play as an opener in T20 and would be a misfit if he is sent with 2 overs to go. Similarly one indian player cannot be expected to adapt to suit any role. They can be a little flexible as per the match situation but cannot be successful all the time. This flexibility in batting order is present in all teams based on number of overs remaining.

    For example Raina could be a stable no.3 batsman. If the openers play till over 16-17, would we not send Yusuf pathan or Yuvraj singh next. If this can be done for one match situation, so will some other change be done for another situation. India's loss is not a big shock. This unpredictability in T20 is what makes it so good to watch. The bottom teams in IPL1 made it to the final in IPL2. Let us enjoy this factor in T20.

  • anu on June 17, 2009, 11:24 GMT

    missed out on a very important point here..why is dhoni so arrogant? why did he stick to the same team? what was he trying to prove by keeping irfan pathan, ojha out of the team?? arrogance has killed many great heroes in the past..may God give him humility and common sense!

  • anu on June 17, 2009, 11:19 GMT

    indians were exposed yet again! they lost a match they shud have easily won after restricting SA to a modest 130..it shud have been lesser if zaheer wouldn't have bowled that last over..anyways they were going around nicely for the first 6 overs scoring around 48 for no loss! suddenly we see common sense being replaced by a mad rush..this team isnt good enough folks..lets pray that we get some new talent and get rid of the mediocrity and complacency that has set in...

  • Mansoor Ali on June 17, 2009, 11:17 GMT

    It is quite unfair to hit Dhoni repeatedly for the Indian exit. After all it is the whole team game. Only Dhoni is not responsible. We can see the fatigued and tired faces of Indian players all because of toughest schedule of cricket they are going through. When T20 world cup was there, the staging of IPL could not be justified anymore. IPL no matter how beautifully exhibited, was a Domestic tournament but on International level, you need lot of effort, stamina, courage and mental toughness. Dhoni, I think he is not responsible, it is the money thirsty attitude of BCCI which let India out with extremely shameful beating by those teams who were lagging behind India just few months back.

    Most importantly such a weak team like Pakistan performed only because of less fatigue and stamina they possess right now.

    Hope BCCI would think positively about Indian prestige rather than running behind money and making players slaves of their interests

  • sanj on June 17, 2009, 10:16 GMT

    I'm not Cricket expert,I'm just like one of the Indian fans. Only I want to say is this IPL should be banned. Whatever happen injuries,hactic schedual and unrested cricket all happen because of IPL. IPL is making cricket as a business not the sport. If india intend to win world cup they must stop IPL. Allow players to rest and time to recover. BCCI always worry about money and their income. that's why they tell we don't foce player to play but ultimatly they making them to play or lose your spot. Very sad to say that BCCI is just Business Cricket Control of India.

    I don't blaim any player they are just victim of BCCI.

  • Mr.Moody on June 17, 2009, 10:10 GMT

    indian team was not good enough to win T20 world cup this time, its simple!

  • Jessica on November 10, 2012, 19:58 GMT

    I'm speechless. This can be a surpeb blog and very attractive too. Nice work! That's now not actually a lot coming from an newbie publisher like me, however it's all I may just say after diving into your posts. Nice grammar and vocabulary. Not like other blogs. You actually recognise what you?re talking about too. Such a lot that you made me want to discover more. Your blog has develop into a stepping stone for me, my friend.

  • sarith on June 29, 2009, 12:17 GMT

    Dhoni should have used rohit in t20 world cup... see how he bowled... he didnt use raina.. he also bowled well in IPL..

  • Jitesh Dani on June 25, 2009, 13:09 GMT

    You have made a very good point here about the flexibility of batsman as opposed to the flexibility of the batting order. By tinkering with the batting order in every match, none of our batsman were settled at a particular spot in the batting lineup. Sometime Dhoni would come up the order at 1-down, sometime he will come at 3 down. If we would have been consistent with the batting order and if we had sent Yuvi in the critical game again England, we could have possibly won that game.

    But anyways, the faigue and continuous cricket that Indian team is playing, this result was bound to happen in some tournament. They are playign like robots. They have not rested a bit after Newzeland tour at all.

  • srikumar on June 18, 2009, 2:17 GMT

    I would like to draw your attention to some fundamentals here. If you look at every major cricket country other than India, each of them is no more than size of one Indian state. Think of major cricket countries: Australia, South Africa, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, West Indies, England, Newzealand, toss-in Bangladesh, Ireland, Netherlands etc., -- each is about the size of one Indian state such as AP, UP, Karnataka. Questions: a) Given the great interest in the great Indian cricket, why isn't there a state level infrastructure, where each Ranji team can potentially generate talent, and even compete, with other conutries? b) given the Indian National Team presumably is a collection of the best talents from several states, why isn't the best from 20 or so teams, at the top of performance in the international arena, fairly consistently -- they do not have to win every series? I am putting these questions out for discussion.

  • Rajesh.S on June 17, 2009, 14:42 GMT

    Do not agree fully with the views. There is a role played by each member of the team. You cannot expect middle order player to consistently don opener's role or vice versa. Kallis can only play as an opener in T20 and would be a misfit if he is sent with 2 overs to go. Similarly one indian player cannot be expected to adapt to suit any role. They can be a little flexible as per the match situation but cannot be successful all the time. This flexibility in batting order is present in all teams based on number of overs remaining.

    For example Raina could be a stable no.3 batsman. If the openers play till over 16-17, would we not send Yusuf pathan or Yuvraj singh next. If this can be done for one match situation, so will some other change be done for another situation. India's loss is not a big shock. This unpredictability in T20 is what makes it so good to watch. The bottom teams in IPL1 made it to the final in IPL2. Let us enjoy this factor in T20.

  • anu on June 17, 2009, 11:24 GMT

    missed out on a very important point here..why is dhoni so arrogant? why did he stick to the same team? what was he trying to prove by keeping irfan pathan, ojha out of the team?? arrogance has killed many great heroes in the past..may God give him humility and common sense!

  • anu on June 17, 2009, 11:19 GMT

    indians were exposed yet again! they lost a match they shud have easily won after restricting SA to a modest 130..it shud have been lesser if zaheer wouldn't have bowled that last over..anyways they were going around nicely for the first 6 overs scoring around 48 for no loss! suddenly we see common sense being replaced by a mad rush..this team isnt good enough folks..lets pray that we get some new talent and get rid of the mediocrity and complacency that has set in...

  • Mansoor Ali on June 17, 2009, 11:17 GMT

    It is quite unfair to hit Dhoni repeatedly for the Indian exit. After all it is the whole team game. Only Dhoni is not responsible. We can see the fatigued and tired faces of Indian players all because of toughest schedule of cricket they are going through. When T20 world cup was there, the staging of IPL could not be justified anymore. IPL no matter how beautifully exhibited, was a Domestic tournament but on International level, you need lot of effort, stamina, courage and mental toughness. Dhoni, I think he is not responsible, it is the money thirsty attitude of BCCI which let India out with extremely shameful beating by those teams who were lagging behind India just few months back.

    Most importantly such a weak team like Pakistan performed only because of less fatigue and stamina they possess right now.

    Hope BCCI would think positively about Indian prestige rather than running behind money and making players slaves of their interests

  • sanj on June 17, 2009, 10:16 GMT

    I'm not Cricket expert,I'm just like one of the Indian fans. Only I want to say is this IPL should be banned. Whatever happen injuries,hactic schedual and unrested cricket all happen because of IPL. IPL is making cricket as a business not the sport. If india intend to win world cup they must stop IPL. Allow players to rest and time to recover. BCCI always worry about money and their income. that's why they tell we don't foce player to play but ultimatly they making them to play or lose your spot. Very sad to say that BCCI is just Business Cricket Control of India.

    I don't blaim any player they are just victim of BCCI.

  • Mr.Moody on June 17, 2009, 10:10 GMT

    indian team was not good enough to win T20 world cup this time, its simple!

  • Prasad on June 17, 2009, 8:29 GMT

    Let us be very frank - we need the old masters back - for class is permanent and this team had only one class batsmen - Yuvraj!

  • yaskhan on June 17, 2009, 8:25 GMT

    whether you agree or not, it is 100% true that it was IPL Fatigue.

  • Shakir,uae on June 17, 2009, 7:30 GMT

    Really,yesterday defeat from South Africa was shameful.In this tournament,India batting & pace bowling have been totally flop.Due to captain & coach,Indian team have given zero performance.Ishant Sharma's performance is totally zero.Why did Dhoni not change the bowler?Perween Amre is very good bowler.Indian team was badly defeated by England but Dhoni did not change any single player.This is vigorously mistake by team management.The question arises why Yousuf Pathan was not given bowling in those two previous game.Dhoni & coach have gone mad.Why was Dinesh karthik not given chance in yesterday game in place of Raina?Now Dhoni should be given rest.His batting has also been weak these days.Ishant sharma & Raina should be removed from the team.That's all.

  • emeye on June 17, 2009, 7:19 GMT

    I think its Arrogance which led them to defeat. India does a little and acts like they've conquered the whole world.

    And if this goes like this, someday Netherlands and Ireland would have a lot better standard than India and Pakistan. To hold your head high, you'll have to deliver!!!

    Anyways things will get better, as been in the past after such defeats.

  • anil shetty on June 17, 2009, 6:52 GMT

    India lacked the desire to win

    It really hurt seeing the Indian team lose the way they did.Staring from team selection to actual execution we lacked the desire to win, we lacked desire to fight, lacked the pride that one should have when you play for India, lacked the pride of defending champions.

    The ideal team for this match should have been

    gautam,yuvi,raina,rohit,yusuf,dhoni,karthik,bhajji,ojha,zaheer,rp.

    ohja would have been unplayable on this track, plus we should have used yusuf too again he would have been too hard to get away on this track.

    we should have restricted south africa too less than 120 on this track since it was a spinners paradise.

    when batting it was very clear that we needed to score well in the first 6 overs so should have promoted yuvi since he loves pace and is in great touch, plus this would mean we have rohit who pretty good against spin in the middle order.

    Karthik too is in great form

    well its jus that we were not keen to win:(

  • Nagesh Sharma on June 17, 2009, 6:16 GMT

    Well this is flop show from India in T20 world cup...when they come to paly with better teams they cant hold the pressure, and mostly the game plan of Dhoni is a bigger flop show. Well i feel that Dhoni is doinig politics in Indian Cricket team, so i think give a break to Dhoni from playing and the Captainship. And give a chance to another person...when dhoni start his captionship, at that time Sehwag and other team members are in form..so india keep going on winning track, but now our players are not in form, and Dhoni as usual not in form, so now Dhoni has to go for modeling and advertising, so that he cant do politics in cricket team... well Dhoni say in adds that he is missing his friend and fans, so give him a good cell phone and all that facilities that he can enjoy with his friends.....and take a long break from cricket.

    Well, if this captianship remains with Dhoni, then our probability of wining the 50 over World Cup is also gonna big big flop show......

  • Vikram Maingi on June 17, 2009, 5:37 GMT

    India's problems:- Complacency Habit of succumbing under pressure Dhoni-the batsman's approach in the middle overs Absence of an opener who could take india to 60+ at the end of power play Absence of bowlers who don't conceed more than 9 runs in any of the last 3 overs

  • Rija Zaidi on June 17, 2009, 4:11 GMT

    There are no such reasons as IPL or fatigue for three consecutive defeats.

    The reason is simple: India is not as good as it has always been projected on Indian media, or in other words, the caliber of Indian team is far below than what an ordinary Indian thinks.

    My dear Indians.... please don’t compare yourself with quality. India certainly produces quantity (mainly due to massive population) but quality does not exist in Indian cricket.

    Wake up and accept the reality.

  • Siddhant on June 17, 2009, 3:51 GMT

    India never looked like they were out to defend something.

    Rewind to 2007 and every time India has been out on the field anywhere in the world after they won the inaugural championship, they were recognized as world champions. The media, the commentators and the people have had their chances to call the men in blue as world champions. There were talk and there was a new hope to look beyond the decade of OZ monarchy, like Robin Hood was born again. I believe that India lost because they never came to realize they were out to defend something. There was no sense of revisiting the history with arrogance and pride, and a walk like champions. A lot depends on how the captain and coach think about approaching any tournament again. Kirsten started with saying that fatigue will be against the players, and Dhoni insisted that what India won two years back was BEHIND them. That is not a smart thing to say.

  • kits on June 17, 2009, 3:44 GMT

    all said - we did not click as a team and that has been the bane for Indian cricket for many years! except on a few occasions - 1983 world cup and 2007 T20 world cup. Most of the times we either depend on Viru, Yuvraj etc. And whether you call it coincidence or whatever, in all our wins of major international tournaments INDIAN COACH has played a major role. I still don't believe why we need foreign coaches as we have a great talent within. BTW, how much would a coach help you if he cannot properly connect with you culturally first (nearest, a foreign coach to connect culturally was John Wright, Garry is no where near him - of course I have great regards for him as a good player). Sandeep Patil, Lalchand Rajput, Mohinder Amarnath, Ravi Shastri can all be very good coaches. Yes, Team India make use of the technology and keep yourself updated how others are "Reading" you. If you don't update yourself, you'll continue to suffer as you've done. Put some amount of national pride within you

  • sai kiran on June 17, 2009, 2:00 GMT

    Hey guys common when the team was winning all say that dhoni is a good captain and now suddenly the scenario changes all are saying that dhoni is a fool and lost his coolness, common guys when our team is losing they are dissapointed we are the one to support them. It's not,like we do not support india if they are losing.

  • vishal on June 17, 2009, 1:53 GMT

    every one is playing the blame game, its true no one is strong enough to take on blame himself.yes ipl was reason that team india did not get time for practicse as a team but is that the only reason? in all matches india missed a sparkling start...ther are many more reasons.its just not good for our team to play the blame game they played badly they lost..

  • neil on June 17, 2009, 1:00 GMT

    OK, so, I like knowing the batting order too. But heres the question, WHO IS INDIA'S BEST T20 BATSMAN THAT CAN CLAIM NO3 POSITION? We dont have a Sachin/Dravid/Ganguly here. Perhaps Yuvi but he lacks the mental ability to hold an innings together, so he cant do it. Therefore the rightly done shuffle. As for losing, I agree with Kirsten 100% - the IPL has made the Indian team lose their hunger to win.

  • Anonymous on June 16, 2009, 21:15 GMT

    Dhoni tries to be cool all the time, a sort of oversmartness. Looked very silly during the runout today with the ball going to the keeper and then coming in as a runner for Bhajji. I was watching Sky sports and the studio guys were laughing away talking about it. Rohit Sharma showed lot of promise in the IPL - but as many say he is good in the middle order. I also agree, to the fact that get your best bat to face the most deliveries. We have had enough of Jadeja - last game should have been given to the benchers - Ojha, Karthik. Praveen Kumar. We should have 3 teams for the 3 forms of the game. It would be good rotation and each can master the art form. Nothing like experience folks. We should atleast have had a couple of experienced folks. T20 is ok but dont mess up ODI and test line-ups. Scared - how will these young folks play the moving / high ball in Tests like VVS, Dravid, SRT.

  • Anonymous on June 16, 2009, 19:52 GMT

    India once again proved that why they were kicked out from T20 world cup. Yeah they have lost the match against SA. Hahaaha

  • Anonymous on June 16, 2009, 19:49 GMT

    India once again proved that why they were kicked out from T20 world cup. Yeah they have lost the match against SA. Hahaaha

  • gireesh on June 16, 2009, 19:00 GMT

    please stop this all nonsense , we lost it bcoz we did not play good cricket n its team game each one including the coach is responsible the debacle.

  • Vinit Singh Sharma on June 16, 2009, 18:55 GMT

    MS Dhoni has been exposed as the overrated captain that he is.

  • Nitin on June 16, 2009, 16:50 GMT

    Folks, realistically in T20 format, batsmen fall in only 2 categories. 1) Run-a-ball 2) Run+-a-ball. The former demands strike-rate to be no less than 100 and the latter demands it to be 100+. There could be a third group which is considered as six-hitters but they are largely part of Category #2 anyway. If we compare the past with present, every member of the indian team pretty much lives upto the expectation dependeing upon he category they belong to. One odd game for a batsman to not do well is a different story. But by and large, they are good. So the reshuffling shouldn't really be a problem since the expectation is that, at the least every delivery has to be scored off, be it a single or a six and anything in between. The only issue I can think of is, Jadeja and Dhoni both being run-a-ball batsmen. Neither one of them should bat after over #16. We only need the likes of Raina, Yuvraj, Irfan and Yusuf under those circumstances. If the entire team is run+-a-ball then it is ideal.

  • Altamash on June 16, 2009, 16:45 GMT

    Same old story, you lose, you get criticised. That's how it has been in the sub-continent and it will stay that way until people start seeing the thinking behind the actions and not only the results. The question is not about flexible batting order, the question is why?, what's the thinking behind it? whether it is just to show off that your team is flexible or it is because the situation demands it or it is to disrupt the plans of the opposition and trouble (e.g., teams do change batting orders to have left and right hand batters) Coming to the match, if jadeja had played a match winning knock everybody would be praising Dhoni's decision, but to me the thinking would still have been questionable(why not send the batsman about whom English bowlers have nightmares?, why not let your in form player play more balls? why not send in a right hander to test bowlers' consistency?)

    Let's hope the thinking improves because there is no lack of ability.hoping for a win against SA.

  • annonymous on June 16, 2009, 16:26 GMT

    i think that dhoni was right in sending someone to stabilise the innings. if yuvraj or pathan were sent and if they got out early to the seaming balls, his strategy would be blamed for not keeping the hard hitters for the slog overs! but i think that dhoni himself should have come in instead of jadeja as he is more experiencedm also it was jadeja's first match of the tournament and so it takes some time to get used to the conditions.

  • Shyam Sunther on June 16, 2009, 16:07 GMT

    I think the one major reason for the under performance of the Indian Team in the T20 World Cup 2009 matches is fatigue, both physically & mentally, as rightly pointed out to by the coach. Their on-field body language in the 2 super eight matches vs West Indies & England smacked of a jaded team & thus the reason for the poor performance in all departments of the game, including captaincy. The team is still very good & highly talented. Give them a good break from cricket & let them return back, afresh. Ofcourse, in the mean time they need to tighten up certain loose ends, like how the batsmen respond better to short pitched deliveries etc. This young team still has a lot to offer to Indian cricket & it is the future of Indian cricket. I have faith in it.

  • Shyam Sunther on June 16, 2009, 16:07 GMT

    I think the one major reason for the under performance of the Indian Team in the T20 World Cup 2009 matches is fatigue, both physically & mentally, as rightly pointed out to by the coach. Their on-field body language in the 2 super eight matches vs West Indies & England smacked of a jaded team & thus the reason for the poor performance in all departments of the game, including captaincy. The team is still very good & highly talented. Give them a good break from cricket & let them return back, afresh. Ofcourse, in the mean time they need to tighten up certain loose ends, like how the batsmen respond better to short pitched deliveries etc. This young team still has a lot to offer to Indian cricket & it is the future of Indian cricket. I have faith in it.

  • roshan on June 16, 2009, 16:05 GMT

    its very clear that dhoni is trying to take wrong advantage of his captaincy by bringing his personal rivalries with yubraj into it. otherwise there is no reason that he would have send unexperienced jadeja ahed of yubraj. i think till now its because of media he has got that stardom which he dont deserve at all. and now that stardom is making his head fly n he is making so many mistake which is hampering indian cricket more than anything else. so i think its time that even media sud understand this and sow this guy dhoni his 'aukat'.

  • sanjeev on June 16, 2009, 15:58 GMT

    aamir akhund i is telling winning 2007 was a fluke well we defeated pakistan two times in T20 wc in 2007 and well india has defeated pakistan in 1992,1996,1993 and 2003 wc, pakistan are lucky to be in the semis because they have defeated only the weaker times, they will be out of semis if they play against SA or WI

  • Kunal Kanani on June 16, 2009, 15:55 GMT

    @ Jayshil Parmar........ When I gave the example of Greg Chappel, I gave that purposefully to point out the fundamental difference between coaches who train the traditional way you mentioned and the thinking of Greg Chappell. My friend, you did not want a flexible batting order. Plz tell me who would have been your opener after Sehwag was injured? Who would have u picked from the Indian domestic circuit to open in t20? Rohit is a middle order batsman and shouldnt open according to your logic. Karthik shouldnt be the replacement. Rohit should probably miss out in playing XI inspite of his wonderful form in IPL because he is not flexible enough to be an opener.Maybe your thinking is an Akash Chopra would better be suited to the opening role in t20. After all he can adapt the game to the situation right? He has been coached that way. You wanted your regular players to adapt to the situation. Didnt our regular No.3 batsman (Raina) stand pretty exposed against the short ball?

  • Hemanth on June 16, 2009, 15:53 GMT

    There is no need to make a lot of noise for this defeat. No one is banning India from internation cricket for this. Its a sport and one team is supposed to lose it though unfortunately it is India in this case. Frankly, Dhoni doesn't deserve this much of blame after all the success he has brought.. his strategies usually work and thats why he was called the 'man with the midas touch'. Things just didn't go our way this time. And it is this highly unpredictable nature of the format that has won a lot of fans. Many of us may not be fans of Dhoni's batting but undoubtedly he is got the best Thinking Hats as a captain for India.

  • neeraj madan on June 16, 2009, 15:43 GMT

    Contd.. Harbhajan Singh- Every Indian child fantasize to bcom an out and out fast bowler.Then tries to become tendulkar and finally a spinner(may be encouraged by a straight delivery turning on abrupt pitch.Bhaji is not different has becom faster than Irfan but conquering Ishant is a distant dream.tries it every other time but fired twice down leg side resulting in just 10 odd runs.

  • neeraj madan on June 16, 2009, 15:33 GMT

    Yes its true Indian team are quiet rigid- MS Dhoni-Rigid on approach that defense is best attack.Wanted to keep away his best players from fire.Really of the approach that 20 overs are just too much to play.Like confused between test and T20.Any team in which player making (11 of 23 vs WI)is ever expected to win. Ravindra Jadeja-Rigid on playing through the overs to the brink of defeat.He has proved himself not only in IPL but also in match against NZ and England.This guy is like a Wall very much like Dravid(old)and could be an exceptional talent in test matches played in Sub continenet.The moment he came you can be sure that he wont go until the match is lost.Good for England they kept him till 14th over.If he would have been out India might have won. Ishant Sharma-Rigid on not using unfair advantage from his height.Will always pitch up for glorius drives.Seeing him taking 4 wickets on short stuff might have been against culture of hospitality. Contd..

  • Tanveer on June 16, 2009, 15:32 GMT

    India lost not because of short pitched deliveries. Come on, they were not playing for the first time in England. I think the major reason for their early exit from WC is "over confidence." Yes, over confidence! There has been so much hype about them and their Mr. Cool captain. Some of the players - like Ishant Sharma - are way over rated. And if a team has this mentality that they are the batting mights that can chase down any target - the problem starts right there. Dhoni is a good captain but lately luck had been on his side; his bad decisions were covered up with wins, therefore, nobody pointed them out. Not always you can ride on your luck. Making decision of playing himself at #3 & the sending Jadeja on #4 are clear indication that he was probably over confident that he can pull out a win in every and any case. Sorry, it does not happen like that. I think now is the time India should start focusing on playing competitive cricket rather than dreaming of being the #1 team!

  • Rajesh on June 16, 2009, 15:29 GMT

    Against two week teams, Dhoni promoted himself and played at No.3. Against teams which mattered he didnt. I cannot really understand how he can fit into these team in between Yuvraj, Sehwag, Pathan etc. One minute - didnt Cricinfo and most fans were screaming that, it was only Ganguly in the Indian team, who had a problem against short balls and bouncers????

  • Ashish Ganju on June 16, 2009, 15:15 GMT

    I fully agree with you that positions should be fixed. These cricketrs are the best players picked from a cricket crazy nation and should know how to change their game depending on the situation. Sending a different player to stablize or accelerate innings is demotivating for the player being moved out as it indicates that your team management thinks you are not capable of handling the situation. I'm sure if stats are looked at the player being moved out usually don't do well when they eventually come out to bat due to the motivation factor, case in point when Yuvraj came to bat his body language was different than usual since a rookie was sent out to do what he does very well in every game!

  • ekPal on June 16, 2009, 15:13 GMT

    Comeon! why you don't learn from England, they never won a world cup and still they play in spirit and the fans behave the same. India is a great team , its not always best team win the world cup. then brazil would have never lost the world cup football. well i agree than jadeja factor was a blunder but its ok.. he bowled really well and took 2 crucial wickets one of Kp. if kp had batted through 20 overs what whould have been the score?? BCCI is to blame to play zaheer in the match becuase he was not at all fit.

  • Vivek Jain on June 16, 2009, 14:47 GMT

    I am not against the sending of jadeja at no. 4, but my doubt is whether any body in team management has told his role. At that time India's two boundry hitters has alraedy gone. Gambhir was not at his best. Jadeja should try hiting much more earlier, I mean when RRR was going beyond 8. It is OK to say that ENG were bowling well, but my theory is bowling is good upto that moment when batsmen eants to make it. In todays cricket batsmen has invented all the shots for different balls. Jadeja has consumed lot of balls and that is sin in T-20. he made strike rate 0f 70. He should try the hitting and gambhir should try to be thier by the end. That is the main reason for india loss against eng as far as my thoughts is concerned. You cant sit your big hitters in dug out for 50% of the batting and to see the accumulating in the middle. Either you hit or give the chance to other. That is all about twenty cricket. India has lost this match between 6 to 11 overs when they could not check the RRR.

  • Chandra on June 16, 2009, 14:41 GMT

    1.Our susceptibility to Short ball was captalised by other team. 2.Dhoni has been gambling with the batting order in the past and was sucessful,but this time it failed.3.The fatigue of IPL creeped in.4. Unsightly sores of the dressing room should not have gone public , that might have affected the mental state of the team,when playing in a major event like a World Cup.

  • BRUCE on June 16, 2009, 14:37 GMT

    I think replacing I Pathan was big mistake, and after that sending Jadega while RRR was very high, but as a player Jadega should should have understand the need that very fast scoring was required at that time, both DHONI and JADEGA are responsible for exit.

  • thetruth on June 16, 2009, 14:35 GMT

    International cricket standards are a notch above IPL. Batsmen, bowlers and strategy with success in IPL does not translate to the same in world cup. I think India forgot this fact and were over confident. People successful in accelerating run rate, Yuvy, Pathan, Harbhajan etc did not get enough time on the crease to prove that when run rate was a cause of failure. Dhoni is a great captain, but he did take some risky decisions and left it for chance. Raina and Rohit is proven. But by sending someone like Jadeja in, he relied on hope. And he has to take the blame for it when it fails. I don't blame Dhoni or anyone for the loss. But the Indian team need to drop their over confidence and take international teams seriously. I think SA is the best, then India. But WI, Pak or SL can beat any team in T20 any day. So win or lose, India should approach these matches more serious with better preparation and strategy.

  • sasikiran on June 16, 2009, 14:29 GMT

    What ever the result came in this t20-20 world cup keep this in the mind.Make ensure that the next time it should not happen.go with proper opening and face the short pitch balls.And every bowler should learn to bowl yorkers in the depth overs.

  • Anindya on June 16, 2009, 14:26 GMT

    India is out of the World Cup and we only have the BCCI to blame. What do they think these players are?Robots?First the NZ tour,then the terribly long schedule of the IPL where all these players had to sweat it out in back to back matches and then the WC,give them a break!Yes it's true that Dhoni was terrible both in front and back of the wickets but we can't help feel these bunch of guys,they were really tired!!!It's the BCCI who should be blamed primarily!!!

  • hari krishna on June 16, 2009, 14:16 GMT

    i think who ever is planning the strategies need to rethink as to what is the best for the team and i sincerely feel they got to read these blogs

  • Nirukurti on June 16, 2009, 14:13 GMT

    Dear Dhoni & Team

    No Big Deal ! The loss did not dent the ICC ranking #3. To Err Is Human, To Forgive Divine. India is a divine country and easily forgives/forgets the mistakes. The one-day series against fury windies will silence all the critics. Thanks for giving more victories to our country and ranking higher on ICC.

    Good Luck

  • sriram on June 16, 2009, 14:12 GMT

    The players with the highest strike rates (and min average of 20) should be the ones handling the maximum deliveries and so they should come up the order. West Indies adopted this approach and so do Sri Lanka. These players should be followed by those who cant slog at will but have a decent enough average. Finally, those who can slog but may not have a plus 20 average can get a chance to bat. Ultimately its about maximizing the total, not about when the runs are scored or by whom.

  • sriram on June 16, 2009, 14:10 GMT

    The players with the highest strike rates (and min average of 20) should be the ones handling the maximum deliveries and so they should come up the order. West Indies adopted this approach and so do Sri Lanka. These players should be followed by those who cant slog at will but have a decent enough average. Finally, those who can slog but may not have a plus 20 average can get a chance to bat. Ultimately its about maximizing the total, not about when the runs are scored or by whom.

  • Karan Singh on June 16, 2009, 14:01 GMT

    Aamir Akhund needs a kick in his backside. Stop your nonsensical india bashing dude. I know you are happy about your pak team so just concentrate on them. Lucky you guys got a relatively easier group but now it is just a matter of one match and they will be thrashed out.

  • Ali on June 16, 2009, 13:59 GMT

    Its all Dhoni's fault, wrong decission not to go in himself. its only a 20 overs game, try to win the match if you fail these other guys can save grace which is exactly what Jadeja seemed to be doing. I think Sehwag would have made a difference, i also believe that Sehwag was not in the team becasue Dhoni didnt want him there and not cuz he was injured.

  • Vishal on June 16, 2009, 13:51 GMT

    Samir - Why can't you and other Indian cricket fans maintain a sense of balance? The fact is that the team lost because of a number of tactical errors (flexible batting order NOT being one of them), poor fielding and (I agree with Kirsten) sheer exhaustion from an overdose of high profile cricket. If the flexible batting order was that much of an issue, why didn't you raise it when we were winning with this flexible batting order? To comment in hindsight is easy. We were just not the best in this T20 WC - Easy as that. It's a sport - winning and losing is a part of it. The majority of players in this team will be a major part of the future of Indian cricket for the next few years. Let's not crucify them for a failure. Their success stemmed from their fearless play. If everyone in the country criticizes them now, the fear of failure would get into their system and they would start playing like the earlier teams used to play...

  • gimgim on June 16, 2009, 13:48 GMT

    come on india.........show some character......

  • anil on June 16, 2009, 13:43 GMT

    People have come harder on Dhoni - Becuase in this do or die game(a/Eng), he couldn't prop up the run rate in the death overs (when enough was written in these blogs that each and every one of this team can destroy opposition on any given day?)

  • Seshan on June 16, 2009, 13:43 GMT

    I found it strange Rohit Sharma and Raina throwing away their wickets in the last 2 matches. Gambhir tried to emulate but the catches didn't go to hand. You can't have top 3 playing an Intl match, as if it were a casual sunday game. Unfortunately that is what they did. At least one among them should have played much tighter cricket, than they did. Dhoni at 3 or 4 did not make any sense, particularly when we did not get a good start. Strangely front line bowlers ended up with overs to bowl, while part timers rolled their arms. Altogether, it did look, we were unwiling to learn from the match against WI! Youngsters like Rohit and Raina need to understand that it pays to build a platform. They have lots and lots of talent, but they send a message they are happy paying a cavalier 50 once in a while!

  • Dhansukh on June 16, 2009, 13:43 GMT

    The best team won, and India could not is because they waited for the loose balls to hit. England's bowlers did an excellent job and did not give the Indians that opportunity. England's fielding was also great. It was an overall team effort.

  • Seshan on June 16, 2009, 13:42 GMT

    I found it strange Rohit Sharma and Raina throwing away their wickets in the last 2 matches. Gambhir tried to emulate but the catches didn't go to hand. You can't have top 3 playing an Intl match, as if it were a casual sunday game. Unfortunately that is what they did. At least one among them should have played much tighter cricket, than they did. Dhoni at 3 or 4 did not make any sense, particularly when we did not get a good start. Strangely front line bowlers ended up with overs to bowl, while part timers rolled their arms. Altogether, it did look, we were unwiling to learn from the match against WI! Youngsters like Rohit and Raina need to understand that it pays to build a platform. They have lots and lots of talent, but they send a message they are happy paying a cavalier 50 once in a while!

  • anu on June 16, 2009, 13:28 GMT

    i read someone commenting not to overreact! well i dont think anyone is overreacting here..cricket is a professional sport and the team is answerable to the nation! no doubt winning and losing is part of the game but we are talking about lost opportunities due to our own doings..and that hurts..

  • Sanjeev on June 16, 2009, 13:06 GMT

    Well India lost the match against England due to 4 reasons (a) why yuvi was allowed to bowl 2 overs and which yielded 20 runs, yusuf pathan did not bowled a single over and he should have given the chance (b)2 wides of harbhajan singh yielded 10 runs out of which 4 should hav been stopped by Yuvi (c)again poor fielding efforts eg yuvi and zaheer, in total misfielding cost india 10-15 runs (d) jadeja who was playing the first match of the tournament was sent ahead of yuvi and yusuf and he wasted 10 balls, best batsmen should face maximum balls. If india took care of the above 4 misdeeds India would have won, also dinesh karthik should have played because he had opened the innings for india before also, in 2007 of the england tour he opened for india in the tests and scored few half centuries also he is a good fielder and he had experience on the english conditions.. In the end players like gambhir and raina neend to add hook shot and should learn how to play short pitch bowling.

  • shakir,uae on June 16, 2009, 13:03 GMT

    No doubt,Dhoni is a good captain but now he is taking match easily.Win & defeat is a part of each game.One question arises in my mind why Yousuf Pathai is not promoted either at no.2 & 3.Whereas Rohit sharma & Jadeja were promoted at different no.All know that Yousuf,Sehwag & Yuvraj are big hitter in the team.They can damage any bowling attack.Within 6 overs,these three players can destabilise the bowling attack.Generally,Yousuf comes at no.5 & 6.Even if he plays very well.

  • Abdul Rahim on June 16, 2009, 13:00 GMT

    Sending in power players like Yuvi and Yusuf next was the call of the hour. They are the players who can clear the ropes of the Big HUGE ground of LORDS. Raina and Jadeja can only lift the ball and holed it out to the fielder and give them catching practise. Dhoni busy with AD shootings and no time to practise batting or hitting sixes and fours. Always thinking of his next Ad shoot and saving energy. Hitting six needs energy so save it is his mantra. hahahha. Success has gone to his head and he has to be dropped immediately from all forms of the game, until he returns the same Dhoni he was.

    Remember : The Dhoni with the highest score of 187 and his long hairs. Probably the nuts were in the hairs..hahaha. he has cut them of late and lost the nuts.. hahhahaha !!

    Bring Back the Old Dhoni or Drop him for God Sake !!

    Regards, Rahim www.ebiz4ever.com

  • Suraj sadeesh on June 16, 2009, 13:00 GMT

    well..........i see all you people are blaming Dhoni here......well let me tell u all something....if you noticed i think in the last two overs that harbajan bowled ....there were 2 balls which were wide balls and to top it they reached the boundary ......well but whats worse is that the 2nd wide ball actually went to the boundary because of some absolutely sloppy work in the feild.....now had the fielder stopped that boundary i think thing would hav turned out differently after all..........so all this talk about the batting order is absolute bullshit and i think the real cause is the feilding standards the team maintained in that particular match....and i seriously dont think the cptain can be singled out for that.........having said that i am still filled with a sense of optimism.....that MSD "ma man" ......will come out blazing and before we know it......wel will be all praises for the man.

  • Srini on June 16, 2009, 12:58 GMT

    Why not accept the obvious, There is no downtime, they were tired....Now both the BCCI and the players are equally responsible for this....they had a choice, and the chose.

  • Vinod Pathiyal on June 16, 2009, 12:55 GMT

    i dont think it is the shuffling of the batting order but letting the weaknesses exposed to the rest of the world - the prime reason for India's exit. the IPL definitely has its gains associated with risk factors. so lets work towards rectifying the mistakes in facing the short deliveries. it is baseless to expect the openers to perform in every match but greater stress should be on partnerships. come on, this is not the end of the road for team India.

  • Abdul Rahim on June 16, 2009, 12:52 GMT

    Stupidity at its height from Dhoni

    What made them send the inexperienced joker Jadeja instead of the in form batsmen Yuvraj : Reasons :

    1) Dhoni lost his nuts and pants too. 2) Dhoni afraid of losing captaincy to Yuvraj, Reason : Yuvraj is the next contender as Virender Sehwag doesnt relish captaincy. 3) Dhoni not sending Yuvraj for losing his Ad contract ( if yuvraj played brilliantly, he may rake in all the moolah ) 4) The match was fixed by Dhoni ( You cannot rule out this : The way Jadeja and Dhoni batted ). The last ball of the match was hit for four where you could see the glimpses of the Old Dhoni we know. The same shot could have been played for earlier deliveries dished out to Dhoni. Only the last ball was hit to pretend Dhoni tried his best but in vain. To show the effort was on and not spill out the beans. Am 100% sure the match was fixed. 5) Dhoni has turned a GAMBLER. ( foolish one at that too )

    Regards, Rahim www.ebiz4ever.com

  • SK on June 16, 2009, 12:51 GMT

    In my view india lost due to fear, fear of getting all-out! Remember those days when SL won the world cup with a very new tectics of chasing: score heavily in the 1st 15 and dont bother even if you lose 4-5 wickets. That was 50 over game. Here india got scared as soon as they lost 2! What do they expect the openers should give them 50+ stand all the time? another point, in 20-20 one needs to appreciate small contributions with bat. A 7 ball 13 by Bhajji or Zahir could have done the trick. It was a pity that bhajji did not bat even after his 3 ball 12 in the match against WI. Dhoni is good only for run-a-ball job now so he should have sent Yusuf, bhajji and Zahir ahead of him. From my point of view it was completely crazy that an international team can fail to chase with 5 wickets in hand. I prefer losing by 1 run will all down, rather than losing by 3 runs with 5 in hand because then you know that you tried your best. I hope indian team learns this soon.

  • Saifur Rahman on June 16, 2009, 12:50 GMT

    Is this ficklenss of the indian fan in evidence; that dhoni has been reduced to "captain fool" from "captain cool" within a week.

  • Swami on June 16, 2009, 12:21 GMT

    We just lost by 3 runs .. how can you analyse to death such a close game. One boundary was the difference in the end and such things can happen. I am amazed how hard people are having a go at Dhoni, especially when we all know that T20 evens out all the teams considerably. Would anyone in his right mind say that Windies are a better team than Australia, even though they are in the semis ? Analysing T20 results only makes sense over a considerable number of games, such as the IPL. Even in IPL, Dhoni with CSK lost 4 initially, but won 6 in a row to come roaring back. Analysing 2 T20 matches is rubbish.

  • Mukesh Chetwani on June 16, 2009, 12:09 GMT

    Interestingly I was watching the WI/India and Eng/India match, and told my son that due to Dhoni's approach to betting we will loose the match and the same thing happened. Dhoni's aggressive betting style is completely changed, he is no more an aggressive batsmen, he just try to take single or two and never wants to hit the ball out of the boundary, even the asking rate becomes 10 or above. Looks like he doesn't want to give his wicket even if he make 11 of 23 balls. He always thinks that 12 or 14 runs per over is easily possible in last 2-3 over, which is ridicules. This mentality has cost us the semifinal spot in t20 world cups, if you see his last 10-15 innings you will realise how mush he has changed and he wants to impose that negative strategy on the players like Jadeja. If he is not changing back to old dhoni than better he should be removed from the captaincy for t20 matches

  • preyan on June 16, 2009, 12:05 GMT

    i was very disappointed when india got out of the tournament..... but we should not blame them.. they've given lotsa victories to india... we are humans, at once we'll commit mistakes unknowngly.. but we should'nt leave our spirit... to be frank i love dhoni's attitude(fans don't scold me).. he's also human.. he also will see ups and downs.. so lets encourage our india( i hope if we encourage at this stage, india will bounce back after realising their mistakes and if we blame on them it will be like putting more pressure on them then we can't give their natural performance)...... we shall hope OUR INDIA will bounce back and get the tropy next year.... lets encourage and support them... we are indians....................!!!!!!thanks...

  • Thejesh on June 16, 2009, 12:00 GMT

    Alright, all these days, winning days if you may call, Mr. Dhoni was playing DEFAULT cricket(Auto Pilot Cricket). Default, I mean, "Things will happen if we let it happen". You can observe this strategy the way he played his shots in the final overs. There was hardly any backlift of the bat, which shows that he was least interested to hit out. Next, all these winning days, all team members had to prove themselves, starting from Gautam to Zaheer Khan and Dhoni was just using the formula I stated. There were very few instances where he had to use his brain.

    Last few tournaments, Yuvraj was leading the team to victories. So the failures of other batsmen were covered up.

    But not to be in this tournament. Country where cricket is passion, we cannot have a captain who rides on default tactics and manage the team in AUTO PILOT mode. I feel the real game has begun now...

    Cheers...

  • Alex on June 16, 2009, 11:59 GMT

    Why people are not telling the truth?. Rohit sharma as opener failed and we lost the two games. Period.

    Nothing else. In 20/20 good opening partnership will set you big score when you have big hitters waiting like in indian team.

    Rohit sharma was over praised by dhoni because his rift with sehwag and it got into rohit's mind. He immediately thought he will replace sehwag as opener for ever.

    I still think Dhoni's rift with sehwag is still the problem. Until it is solved , it is not going to go away. Dhoni can sugar coat what ever he wants , team is not united and not playing for him. They are not feeding off energy from each other like before. Indian team lacks spark.

    Dhoni form compounds the problem.

    India may again lose to SA because they have not solved opening conundrum.

  • Ash Zed on June 16, 2009, 11:59 GMT

    It is the Indian public and media that needs to adopt some flexibility. Just accept that better team won the game. Why all the post mortem, finding reasons and putting all the blame of any specific player???

    Just imagine if Harbhajan had not given 4 wide in the last over, India would have won against England........ and you plus all the same people commenting on this blog would have gone to any limits praising India.

    It’s been more than 60 years since this nation got independence yet no sign of maturity.

  • monga on June 16, 2009, 11:57 GMT

    why they didn't utilise yousuf in batting in earlier part of he innings.......... one more thing dhoni need some batting training..... where is the mindset of dhoni now......... where is that batting 183 vs srilanka in odi's. what he is doing now is simply taking singles thats it....for loose delivery also he will take single in middle overs. what about dravid man......? he can also play better than him any format of the game.. why they didn't select him for the odi's.

  • Vinit Singh Sharma on June 16, 2009, 11:57 GMT

    I believe India can never hope to be a good side until they get rid of Yuvraj Singh & MS Dhoni and bring back Deep Dasgupta & Vijay Bharadwaj

  • Alex on June 16, 2009, 11:57 GMT

    Why people are not telling the truth?. Rohit sharma as opener failed and we lost the two games. Period.

    Nothing else. In 20/20 good opening partnership will set you big score when you have big hitters waiting like in indian team.

    Rohit sharma was over praised by dhoni because his rift with sehwag and it got into rohit's mind. He immediately thought he will replace sehwag as opener for ever.

    I still think Dhoni's rift with sehwag is still the problem. Until it is solved , it is not going to go away. Dhoni can sugar coat what ever he wants , team is not united and not playing for him. They are not feeding off energy from each other like before. Indian team lacks spark.

    Dhoni form compounds the problem.

    India may again lose to SA because they have not solved opening conundrum.

  • anil on June 16, 2009, 11:53 GMT

    Dhoni still thinking in IPL mode

    when India lost the first two wickets against England, the thinking was lets stabilize whereas it should have been lets counter attack. Indian cricket has very good attacking batsmen in yuvi,yusuf,dhoni,gambhir,bhajji(pinch hitter), well all needed to do was to counter attack and knowing the history of english one day cricket team they are bound to go on defensive. Dhoni should show more confidence in his players and not worry about loosing wickets in t20 matches.

  • Ajai Malik on June 16, 2009, 11:43 GMT

    Samir, How can Dhoni remain at ICC no.1 without changing his batting order? He is very consistent in searching most easy place to bat. In ODIs he never takes risks before 47th over. Similarly in T20, he never takes risk before 18th over. He is only ICC no.1 who have played not a single match winning in this period of being ICC no.1. Dhoni has another problem of insecurity from Sehwag and Yuvraj so he tries his best so that these two can not share much lime light. He knows that only Stats keeps alive, all other things will be forgotten soon. He was lucky that Sehwag, Gambhir, Yuvraj and Sachin all have played exceptionally well and won most matches despite Dhoni's (average - oriented batting). But in this IPL things become different, Sehwag is out, Gambhir was below par... Only Yuvraj and Yusuf was there. Still Dhoni was overconfident that 153 is too low total so even Jadeja can contribute to win so why to make Yuvraj a hero again... (insecurity from Yuvraj)

  • Manish D.Chawhan on June 16, 2009, 11:39 GMT

    In a big match or a crunch situation keep things simple.Jadeja has not played an international match,he came for Ohja who was doing well for India in T20 world cup.Ishant sharma was only bowling short,no yorker's no swing & seem movement, pravin kumar who swing's the ball, bowls slower balls,yorker's never played,the only all rounder Irfan was removed from the team. These things are nothing but poor selections for a crutial encounter.Second point is the tactical blunder, R P Singh completed only 3 overs instead of 4,when he was very economical & bowling well.Jadeja who has no experience & knowing that the england bowlers were bowling short, the immediate felling was either Dhoni or Youraj will come to bat but instead Jadeja was sent,and not to forget Harbhajan, in the last 2 overs that he bowled he bowled 2 wides down the leg side both went to the boundary,ie 10 wide runs gifted & additional 2 balls in which 3 runs were taken, this hugely contributed to a fighting total.Poor execution

  • Sunil Shetty on June 16, 2009, 11:31 GMT

    Shewan if not injured he just does not get on with the glamour boy Dhoni - accept it and do not try to cover it up like the BCCI

  • Adoh Pakka on June 16, 2009, 11:29 GMT

    If Shane Warne or Adam Gilchrist captained India they would not only have gone into the semi finals but gone on to win the T20 world cup - Dhoni is nothing but a glamour boy and should now go to bollywood and take Jadeja with him - he has to take the blame (whoever made the decision to send in Jadeja before Yousef Pathan or Dhoni himself is a bloody idiot) now go back to India and face the mobs who will try to destroy your residence...............

  • soniya on June 16, 2009, 11:28 GMT

    India out of the T20 world cup, really sad.Kirsten giving reasons of IPL fatigue it was not only the indian players who played it. captaincy was a bit weired RP SINGH who was the best bowler in IPL was kept out.Sehwag injury if he had known before why he had to play IPL save yourself for T20. Things do happen but not from a team who had the best players in every department..players paying too much of attention to what media has to say instead of performing n concerntrating on the game..better luck next time

  • Raghuveer on June 16, 2009, 11:15 GMT

    Spot on ! But the whole concept of pinch hitter came about not because batsmen were inflexible but on a weighing of options as to whether the runs scored by the pinch hitter quickly outweighs his inevitable dismissal in pursuit of those quick runs. But i guess, with the advent of T20, the concept has become obsolete. Nonetheless what you are suggesting is idealistic, that is, how a team should be. What dhoni tried to do was pragmatic, since the team had not evolved to such a stage. That apart, changing the batting order is also throwing the fielding side out of gear i.e.element of surprise. This could shift the momentum too. Dont you agree ?

  • Saqib Waseem on June 16, 2009, 11:11 GMT

    I am a Pakistani and a great lover of cricket. I myself thought India were the favourites to clinch the title. But they just could not perform up to scratch. Let's not blame dhoni for the debacle.He is an imaginative captain who tries his best for india. Losing out on the semi finals of a major tournament may well be hurting the indian fans, but they must support him and move on now.

  • Kumar on June 16, 2009, 11:06 GMT

    Reasons we lost: 1. With a known weakness for short balls, Raina should have been sent to the nets for a long short-ball session. Instead the team opted out of practice the day before the game. 2. Rohit, Raina, Yuvraj all bowled very well during the IPL. Why were they kept out while the leaky Ishant got to bowl his full quota? Ishant hasn't performed for a year now, why persist with him in T20 and make him lose his confidence? 3. Why was hitherto unexposed Jadeja suddenly asked to bat at a key position? 4. When Jadeja was obviously finding it very difficult to connect, why wasn't he asked to hit out or get out much earlier? (instead of wasting 35 balls)? 5. Dhoni can't seem to connect either anymore. Is he really one of our top 6? 6. Karthik was in great form during the IPL, I think he would have been a better replacement for Ojha, if at all we needed to replace him. 7. Why did Dhoni keep on coming in at #3 all through the minnow games until the going got tough?

  • Muralee on June 16, 2009, 11:04 GMT

    I guess flexibility=gamble. Gets appreciated when it clicks and gets booted when the idea fails. My key observation was that the brand "Fearless" cricket was missing from our team. There was certain amount of pressure to "Bring the cup back". It was very clearly visible that there was so much going on everyone's mind in the field. And it is about time they realize the priorities. If we were to blame this much on IPL, then why not pull out of it?

    I remember Dhoni's explanation for the flexible order "If Raina bats at No.5/6 and knows the pain of the role himself, he feels more responsible at No.3 and most often will not throw away the wicket". So I guess it is about your theory of being flexible within the fixed batting position, but the lesson is taught in a more practical way.

  • visalamanaskan on June 16, 2009, 10:59 GMT

    they are tired yaar!

  • AC on June 16, 2009, 10:58 GMT

    Batting was not the only problem, remember the difference was 3 runs. Consider why on the last ball a spinner cannot bowl straight, but bowls it so wide it goes for 4. This actually happened twice! Consider why you pick RP Singh as a bowler, who has figures of 1-13 off 3 overs, does not bolw his allocation of 4 overs and is compunded by allowing Ishant to bowl 4 overs, when his bowling is all over the place and returns figures of 0-36 off 4 overs. Thereafter, after the damage is done, you compound it by having a "rookie" at number 4! This was not a time for experimenting. This should have been done in the match against Ireland, where the match was a dead rubber.

  • harpreet Singh on June 16, 2009, 10:55 GMT

    Well Done To all the Indian player i think they put 100% but couldnt make to final or semi ......naver mind we should back our team beacuse its a game where one team have to lose so that other can win... india is good team as a team soo boys in indian team be toghter no one can win alone i hope will see sehwag and Gauti opening agian soon and Yuvraj and Dhoni In the Middle showing their best

    GOOD LUCK FOR NEXT GAME

    JAI HIND

  • Aamir Akhund on June 16, 2009, 10:48 GMT

    How many times have i written on these blogs that one only needs to do the basic things right and this bunch of baby blue Indian Team will fall like a pack of cards. I was right in the match against WestIndies and i was right in the match against england. The mistake that the indians had made was to believe that this pretty average team would be able to repeat the fluke of 2007. These cricketers only look good when they are shooting for some stupid advertisment, and that to is the miracle of the media, otherwise the whole team is just a bunch of over confident fools.

  • shan on June 16, 2009, 10:41 GMT

    India defeated Eng in Eng, NZL in NZL, SL in SL, Aus in Ind, Eng in Ind, won VB series, won T20 WC...

    they had such big run of success & one failure starts all the crazy analysis...

    that Ian chappell... cant see aussie s**king in T20 but is ever-ready to analyse Indian team !!!

    BTW Kunal, that greg's thinking might be innovative but come on, he was ultra-egoistic, stubborn, authoritative, back-stabber & created doubts in the minds of the players, never settled them...

  • Martin-de-pores on June 16, 2009, 10:36 GMT

    The Indians are out of the T20 World Cup and the tongues have started wagging, what I have to say is that the fatigue factor had a lot to play in this debacle, further there was lack of a professional approach from our guys, our boys were looking far away from home, as Anu rightly said the zing was missing.Gambhir was looking like a lamb led to the slaughter and Rohit Sharma seemed like playing International cricket for the first time - I dont know why Dhoni had insisted on him carrying on as opener, Irfan could have been tried in this spot, Raina too was not at his best - was just not able to push the score along. Ishant Sharma was a total flop in this form of the game, was just trying to bowl fast without any direction or control and was being slaughtered - Pieterson was one who enjoyed himself against this listless Indian bowling attack. The only pluses was from Yousuf Pathan and to certain extent Harbhajan Singh and the struggling Yuvraj with a wretched Dhoni. Better buck up.

  • rajesh jain on June 16, 2009, 10:32 GMT

    i am surprised every one is blaming on short pitched deliveries for indain failure or other things, where as the reason of failure to me was simple, the selection authorities and tactical blunbers of M.S.DHONI on field,LIKE WHY WAS ISHANT SHARMA SELECTED IN THE FIRST PLACE?,isn't his wicket talking ability under doubt ever since the ipl in south africa,the ideal combination for match against england would have been the same team with irfan replacing ishant sharma and then coming to tactical blunders of dhoni.IRFAN PATHAN WAS THE BEST BOWLER AGAINST WEST INDIES BUT WAS SURPRISINGLY NOT MADE TO BOWL AFTER 2 OVERS BY DHONI[ REASONS BEST To him], like wiae rp singh was the best bowler against england but sisnot complete his quots of 4 overs and instead yuvraj bowled[ again reasons best known to dhoni]. well this 2 blundeers and margin of defeat against w.i & england would be enough to justify, that big mouths are trying to find scape goats than pinpont to facts,hope widom prevails

  • ss on June 16, 2009, 10:28 GMT

    Let us stop the blame game. It was only a game and what big deal if India lost. A top team like Australia was on its way home much before. Let us not blame Dhoni. When his tricks fall in place, he is God. When it backfires, he becomes a devil. Come on guys, India tried their best and in the future they will harder to get the T20 cup once again. Jai Ho !!

  • Jacob Mathew on June 16, 2009, 10:21 GMT

    I think whenever India is beaten in a match, critics start blaming the captain, the batting order, the inability to play rising balls, fatigue, over-confidence and what-not. Why can't we take defeat in our stride and understand that it is 20/20 match where one day Netherlands can beat England and the same England team can beat India; where West Indies can beat Australia and send them packing without getting an entry even to the super 8 level; where Ireland can beat Bangladesh; where New Zealand could score only 99 against Pakistan. So in 20/20 anything can happen. I am not saying Dhoni should not be blamed for the defeats, but this is a sport, man where victories and defeats are part of the game. Be a sport, every one and let us hope India will play better against the WI in the coming series. One should not forget that it would have been Pakistan and not India the defending champions but for the mistake of Misbah ul-Haq off the last ball of the final match in the last world cup. Cheers

  • yesu Rathnam on June 16, 2009, 10:17 GMT

    Indian Team they have IPL money no need to play for their country they don't know how much hart our heart i hope they can understand cricket is our blood this is my commment.Thanks

  • Anonymous on June 16, 2009, 10:12 GMT

    It is the team's arrogance that oh nobody can beat us attitude; instead of net practice, they preferred taking it easy - I agree with Azharuddin : Dhoni should be humbler and the team should save their arrogance until they lift the world cup!

  • Ali Imran on June 16, 2009, 10:06 GMT

    For me india is a very good all round cricket team but their attitude towards the game is some time very negative. No doubt they have got talent but you have to add method with it, which was lacking in this tournament. to make such changes in the team in this do or die match showed that either they were lacking in confidence or were over confident which resulted in their downfall.

  • Imran Ahmad Khan on June 16, 2009, 10:05 GMT

    Hi, I think it is not about flexibility or inflexibility. It is quite simple for me in both 50 overs and 20 overs match i.e. your best in form batsmen should face maximun deliveries. The more deliveries your inform batsman plays the more chance of you getting runs and boundries. Teams all over the world need to understand this. England sending KP at number 3 are doing this and therefore have tasted some success. Srilanka with Dilshan opening is doing the same. So for me the batting order can be flexible but the key lies in sending your best batsman in when it matters most.

  • SATHISH KUMAR on June 16, 2009, 10:05 GMT

    Now we are talking about Dhoni's captainship but one thing we have know his ability but now a day he didn't hit the ball well and his keeping behind the wicket is very poor compare than Dinesh Karthik he is good captain before that but now he is struggling against all the form, Last matches were won by good players not by good captains, If the players were in good form but dhono collapse the Batting order and he spoils the Image of Indian Team.

  • Mani on June 16, 2009, 10:02 GMT

    I dont agree to that argument. I know India failed this time. But there are lot of other factors to this failure, starting from lack of proper rest!! Also I am a firm believer that each player should be given a role in the team, not a fixed position in the batting order. Like Yusuf Pathan is a six hitter. So if team requires sixes at the 10th over then he can come in then. Dhoni is a run-a-ball player(!) so he can come in when the team is in crisis and stabilise the innings. That is only what Dhoni tried to do sending in Jedeja. Stabilise the innings as he is a run-a-ball player. I know it did not go very well, but that doesnt mean the strategy is a failure!!

  • Rohit on June 16, 2009, 9:56 GMT

    Some nice points Samir but I cannot agree completely. In soccer the theory of total football was once proposed. It basically meant any player in the side be it a defender or attacker should be able to swap and do each other's role. In theory this is fantastic but is it achievable? I am not entirely defending the tactic of sending in different players in different positions every game but players need to be utilized depending on their strengths and weaknesses. Let us say Raina gets the go-ahead to be India's number 3. Are you telling me in seaming conditions where the ball is moving around like crazy you would still like to see him come ahead of Rahul Dravid? If Raina can adapt and play like Rahul it would obviously be brilliant. But don't you think that's a tad unlikely?

  • Anand on June 16, 2009, 9:56 GMT

    Guys ....I see a few comments supporting the batting order shuffle with Dhoni adopted...I totally agree that had nothing to do with the loss..Agreed that may be Yuvraj should have some in place of Jadega..But really I think the fundamental mistake was done during our bowling..

    Zaheer - 2 freebie boundaries (batsmen still had flick it) Harbhajan - 10 wides ( 2 wides go for boundaries)..He is the most culpable. Yuvraj - Huge misfield..goes for a boundary..

    Add these up, they are more than 20 runs gifted apart from fielding lapses. I look at the 3 guys above and they are the pillars and they contributed to gift runs..Don't blame on poor Jadega or Dhoni...Its great that we lost by just 3 runs..

  • MMK on June 16, 2009, 9:53 GMT

    Hi, only team went to the England with high expectations and more practice. But more practice only makes India to reach them back with empty hands. Here one thing I should point out. What is the alternative, Section committee has taken in place of shewag in opening slot. Rohit is middle order batsman not a regular opener. He can play well in middle overs. Best example that he reached DC safely in last overs in one or two matches.

    Out of 15 members one batsman and 3 bowlers are sitting, why not 2 batsmen and 2 bowlers. This is the right time the selection to look for one opener and all-rounders.

    Team coach should concentrate on fielding and strategies based on the situations

  • Sohaib Khan on June 16, 2009, 9:52 GMT

    Come on Yaar ! Another Postmortem. My Goodness. Now, continuous critics ONLY on India is disgusting. I haven't see so many Postmortems on Australia.

    Please keep in mind that "Nobody can't win every match or WC".

    We Pakis are better than Indians now. After any Paki loss, we just discuss it max 1 day and then start working on our jobs. That's it !

    Just Chill -

  • zam on June 16, 2009, 9:37 GMT

    I think all balme to put on Dhoni, becuase, there was a chance to take 19 runs on last over if the strike give to Yousuf, but 2nd last ball Dhoni allowed Yousuf to take single run otherwise Yousuf can take two runs on that ball and one six one last ball which was enough to win the match.

  • anu on June 16, 2009, 9:16 GMT

    that indians were a tired lot was far too evident..after raking in the moolah from ipl they were up against some serious stuff and screwed up big time..even in the warm up matches they were far from being covincing..all the brouhaha about their invincibility got to their heads..it was pretty simple case of lack of abilities..ishant sharma bowling short again and again was apalling..even a ten year old next to me was cringing when he was bowling that length..the seniors were looking far too arrogant..overall they lacked zing while fielding as well..certainly i believe it was only the IPL to blame..cockiness of the likes of raina was due to the runs they scored agaist a mediocre domestic bowlers in the IPL..i sincerely hope the team to do some deep soul searching and come back stronger in todays encounter agasint SA..

  • Imran Arif on June 16, 2009, 9:10 GMT

    I am from Pakistan, it was not india's day otherwise india is da best team and still the best team in all format of cricket they fought very well, Well Done India because sky has no limits. I will only say it is very easy to critise but to be pratical its very difficult!!!!!!!!!!

  • kems on June 16, 2009, 9:09 GMT

    In our team all are match winners......... except dhoni.. look how he is playing..........he is not eligible to play all 3 formats of the game........ i think for him gully cricket is better....... one more thing.. when dhoni got captaincy he is behaving very well.... now he is doing politics with the team..........main problem is dhoni vs shewag..... we cant compare shewag(100%) to dhoni(10%)......... in this world cup they didn't utilise yousuf pathan and yuvaraj .... my batting will look like this....

    gambir raina yousuf yuvaraj rohith irfan harbajan zaheer dhoni(....... keeper) praveenkumar rp singh

  • BS Rathi on June 16, 2009, 9:04 GMT

    Lack of imagination, common sense and urgency in Indian team was apparent in their match against England when two balls were left and 9 were to score. They ran a single on penultimate ball when they could have easily tried two which would have left 7 to score for win and 6 for tie with Yusuf Pathan to bat.

  • Ali on June 16, 2009, 8:59 GMT

    Well, read lot of material on net, in papers and every where. Judged only one thing. If India wins, everyone will assume crickets as GOD, if India loose the same bunch are treated as if they are a piece of garbage. Where is the balancing act? Come on be realistic & accept that somethings are not in the control of humans. After all it was a defeat by only 3 runs.

  • mayank on June 16, 2009, 8:51 GMT

    The fact remains that sehwag was injured and the extent and seriousness of his injury was known only later..apparently when he was not able to practice in the nets. At that time change in batting order was inevitable. So the whole idea of opening with rohit sharma was forced upon dhoni...And so the entire lineup had to be different. So criticizing them for lack of stability would be a little unfair. I personally am not in favor of too many changes in the batting order but then the reason for the loss was more due to our inability to handle short pitch balls better in this series..which would not have changed even with a fixed batting order. This team has done well previously in bouncy conditions of south africa(world cup)and australia(vb series). I am damn sure they will bounce back harder. Rem:Next t20 world cup is approximately in 9 months time...and so need not be dissapointment for too long this time around.

  • Vijay on June 16, 2009, 8:35 GMT

    The logic of Samir is a bit flawed. The objective of flexibility in the batting order is to throw the opposition off guard; and hence the flexibility is required. A scheduled plan for Raina vs an unplanned one for Yusuf Pathan can make a difference to the opposition.

  • Zuhaib Hayat on June 16, 2009, 8:27 GMT

    I dont think so its batting order which bring india out of the worldcup however its the negative mindset of the caption who after winning the toss opted to ball first and throughing his key players like irfan and ohja out of team. and lastly the indian players limitation to bat on the pitch which have some bounce.

    Indian team should understand that this is not domestic cricket like IPL, its a international platform where u have to face the quality .

  • SKR on June 16, 2009, 8:23 GMT

    All these problems come up only when india lose. the mistake we always make is that we expext india to win every time. experts open their mouth after a debacle. there is an axiom - "the easiest thing to find is a fault" goes pretty well here. has any one ever thought about - what indian team did right when they won the last world T 20 - few would have an answer for that. if we reason fatigue for this T20 debacle, itz just an excuse. Professionals shud never complain of fatigue or injury - if we say we missed sehwag bcoz of injury, itz because we did not have sufficient (or efficient) replacement for him. the key word now shud be the bench strength, where replacing a crucial player shud be a easy thing. Indian team for that matter is getting better. letz hope we perform well in the future

  • bimlesh on June 16, 2009, 8:15 GMT

    Well,

    T20s are all about being flexible in your approah. All teams follow this approach,. SA and SL, two best in the tournaments are following the same.

    Gibbs a natural openers is playing at no 3/4 and Kallis is the opener, but today he will open. AB Devilliers plays at 3,4,5 depending on situation as do duminy, morkel and boucher.

    Similarly, for SL, sometimes Mahela is their no 3 , at times Sanga does that job.

    Pakistan too have been fleixble with their approach. Changing the openers and no 3 as per the situation.

    Also the sae fleixble batting approach has brought us all the laurels in last two years. Just becase we failed in one tournament, doesnt mean that approach becomes bad.

    Additionaly, if batsmen had got fixed batting positions in the lineups, I am sure after the loss, the writer would have said, India werent felxible enough and rigidity did them in.

  • vishal on June 16, 2009, 7:54 GMT

    when the world cup was started NO.3 batting spot was taken by the captain himself in both warm up matches and group stage but what happened in super 8, he send raina at the most important position of any batting line up.its not that raina is good but its about exposure in last 4 games.well the decision of sending jadeja up just showed that he was not ready to face the pressure at that time.dhoni is one of the better player of short ball in indian team then why he didn't come at No.3. its bad to criticize dhoni for the loss but any batsman never wants to play a different role in every match.

  • Jayshil Parmar on June 16, 2009, 7:28 GMT

    Sorry Kunal I disagree, I think you have missed the point here. I am unsure if you have played cricket yourself however at any level of the game, if you are a batsman it makes a big difference if you know where you fit in the batting order. The coaches at the levels I have seen constantly stress the point that you have to adopt to the game situation etc etc Hence I don't see why such a basic concept can not be adopted on a constant basis by an international side. The key is to stick to basics better than other teams. I believe India's current approach towards adjusting batting order is way too complicated then it needs to be.

  • Anonymous on June 16, 2009, 7:24 GMT

    Samir, your statement contradicts itself, flexibility cannot be limited. If a batsman is flexible in his approach to batting, it precludes that he is also flexible enough to play at any other position.

    One can't maintain rigidity at one level and flexibility at another. That will impede mental flexibility or batting approach.

    This was and is probably why England is no longer much of a force to reckon with. Barring KP and Bopara most of their line up is rigid and they claim to do what you have suggested and the results are there for all to see.

    If Ishant can take the new ball, the old ball and bowl into the wind or against it then Sehwag should be able to bat anywhere between 1 to 4 and should Yuvraj or Dhoni or pretty much anyone else.

  • Vinay on June 16, 2009, 7:21 GMT

    I doubt if there is any fundamental difference between the 2 approaches if we take a comparison on a strength-weakness basis. It is simpler for a batsman to play the way he does rather than change his game based on the approach which seems to be Dhoni's approach. I dont think this debate would be settled in terms of having a flexible batting order to having flexibility in a batsman. I think what is need is an emperical study to determine which approach has worked the best. Just because an approach flopped once does not mean that is not the right way

  • Aditya Sehgal on June 16, 2009, 7:09 GMT

    Enough of these postmortems. Yes, we lost but that does not mean we can all have a go at Dhoni. Agreed, He made terrible decisions but to me giving the last over to Joginder Sharma in last T20 WC was also a terrible decision. It worked that time. Only the people/commentators slamming him for sending Jadeja up did NOT slam him when Jadeja was sent up. Only when he failed, did these *commentators* choose to criticize. He is still India's best bet. Let us give them a break. If anybody has to be blamed why NOT blame BCCI (read Modi) for just nonsensical, illogical scheduling. Is IPL bigger than T20 WC?

  • Kunal Kanani on June 16, 2009, 5:52 GMT

    2) So it would make sense for the bowling captian to save that bowler to bowl when that particular batsman comes in. So yes, I am one of the few Indians who did admire Chappel for his radical thinking and ways he tried to improve the game. Sadly, the players then were not able to adapt to these radical thoughts and the world cup in 2007 was a debacle. Chappel as a coach should have seen it coming and tried to settle the team for the better before the world cup I agree. He failed to do it and didnt turn out to be good coach. But that doesnt mean his ideas didnt deserve a thought.

  • Kunal Kanani on June 16, 2009, 5:50 GMT

    1) When Greg Chappell tried to inculcate this habit in the Indian Team Culture of constantly having a flexible batting line up it met with criticisms then that the team members are not sure of their role. Again when Dhoni has used this policy I see the criticism coming up again from this article. Well lets face it. The shortcomings of the Indian team was due to the susceptibility against the short ball and not due to the constantly changing batting line up. In fact this particular policy has served the limited overs team greatly in the past under Dhoni's captiancy. Just because his team failed once does not mean the policy was wrong. To counter the arguement in the article, doesnt it make sense that the opposition does not know who is going to come in and bat next and thus are not sure of their strategies as well? We know for a fact that some batsmen wont be comfortable sometimes against a particular bowler. So it would make sense for the bowling captian to save that bowler to bowl

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  • Kunal Kanani on June 16, 2009, 5:50 GMT

    1) When Greg Chappell tried to inculcate this habit in the Indian Team Culture of constantly having a flexible batting line up it met with criticisms then that the team members are not sure of their role. Again when Dhoni has used this policy I see the criticism coming up again from this article. Well lets face it. The shortcomings of the Indian team was due to the susceptibility against the short ball and not due to the constantly changing batting line up. In fact this particular policy has served the limited overs team greatly in the past under Dhoni's captiancy. Just because his team failed once does not mean the policy was wrong. To counter the arguement in the article, doesnt it make sense that the opposition does not know who is going to come in and bat next and thus are not sure of their strategies as well? We know for a fact that some batsmen wont be comfortable sometimes against a particular bowler. So it would make sense for the bowling captian to save that bowler to bowl

  • Kunal Kanani on June 16, 2009, 5:52 GMT

    2) So it would make sense for the bowling captian to save that bowler to bowl when that particular batsman comes in. So yes, I am one of the few Indians who did admire Chappel for his radical thinking and ways he tried to improve the game. Sadly, the players then were not able to adapt to these radical thoughts and the world cup in 2007 was a debacle. Chappel as a coach should have seen it coming and tried to settle the team for the better before the world cup I agree. He failed to do it and didnt turn out to be good coach. But that doesnt mean his ideas didnt deserve a thought.

  • Aditya Sehgal on June 16, 2009, 7:09 GMT

    Enough of these postmortems. Yes, we lost but that does not mean we can all have a go at Dhoni. Agreed, He made terrible decisions but to me giving the last over to Joginder Sharma in last T20 WC was also a terrible decision. It worked that time. Only the people/commentators slamming him for sending Jadeja up did NOT slam him when Jadeja was sent up. Only when he failed, did these *commentators* choose to criticize. He is still India's best bet. Let us give them a break. If anybody has to be blamed why NOT blame BCCI (read Modi) for just nonsensical, illogical scheduling. Is IPL bigger than T20 WC?

  • Vinay on June 16, 2009, 7:21 GMT

    I doubt if there is any fundamental difference between the 2 approaches if we take a comparison on a strength-weakness basis. It is simpler for a batsman to play the way he does rather than change his game based on the approach which seems to be Dhoni's approach. I dont think this debate would be settled in terms of having a flexible batting order to having flexibility in a batsman. I think what is need is an emperical study to determine which approach has worked the best. Just because an approach flopped once does not mean that is not the right way

  • Anonymous on June 16, 2009, 7:24 GMT

    Samir, your statement contradicts itself, flexibility cannot be limited. If a batsman is flexible in his approach to batting, it precludes that he is also flexible enough to play at any other position.

    One can't maintain rigidity at one level and flexibility at another. That will impede mental flexibility or batting approach.

    This was and is probably why England is no longer much of a force to reckon with. Barring KP and Bopara most of their line up is rigid and they claim to do what you have suggested and the results are there for all to see.

    If Ishant can take the new ball, the old ball and bowl into the wind or against it then Sehwag should be able to bat anywhere between 1 to 4 and should Yuvraj or Dhoni or pretty much anyone else.

  • Jayshil Parmar on June 16, 2009, 7:28 GMT

    Sorry Kunal I disagree, I think you have missed the point here. I am unsure if you have played cricket yourself however at any level of the game, if you are a batsman it makes a big difference if you know where you fit in the batting order. The coaches at the levels I have seen constantly stress the point that you have to adopt to the game situation etc etc Hence I don't see why such a basic concept can not be adopted on a constant basis by an international side. The key is to stick to basics better than other teams. I believe India's current approach towards adjusting batting order is way too complicated then it needs to be.

  • vishal on June 16, 2009, 7:54 GMT

    when the world cup was started NO.3 batting spot was taken by the captain himself in both warm up matches and group stage but what happened in super 8, he send raina at the most important position of any batting line up.its not that raina is good but its about exposure in last 4 games.well the decision of sending jadeja up just showed that he was not ready to face the pressure at that time.dhoni is one of the better player of short ball in indian team then why he didn't come at No.3. its bad to criticize dhoni for the loss but any batsman never wants to play a different role in every match.

  • bimlesh on June 16, 2009, 8:15 GMT

    Well,

    T20s are all about being flexible in your approah. All teams follow this approach,. SA and SL, two best in the tournaments are following the same.

    Gibbs a natural openers is playing at no 3/4 and Kallis is the opener, but today he will open. AB Devilliers plays at 3,4,5 depending on situation as do duminy, morkel and boucher.

    Similarly, for SL, sometimes Mahela is their no 3 , at times Sanga does that job.

    Pakistan too have been fleixble with their approach. Changing the openers and no 3 as per the situation.

    Also the sae fleixble batting approach has brought us all the laurels in last two years. Just becase we failed in one tournament, doesnt mean that approach becomes bad.

    Additionaly, if batsmen had got fixed batting positions in the lineups, I am sure after the loss, the writer would have said, India werent felxible enough and rigidity did them in.

  • SKR on June 16, 2009, 8:23 GMT

    All these problems come up only when india lose. the mistake we always make is that we expext india to win every time. experts open their mouth after a debacle. there is an axiom - "the easiest thing to find is a fault" goes pretty well here. has any one ever thought about - what indian team did right when they won the last world T 20 - few would have an answer for that. if we reason fatigue for this T20 debacle, itz just an excuse. Professionals shud never complain of fatigue or injury - if we say we missed sehwag bcoz of injury, itz because we did not have sufficient (or efficient) replacement for him. the key word now shud be the bench strength, where replacing a crucial player shud be a easy thing. Indian team for that matter is getting better. letz hope we perform well in the future

  • Zuhaib Hayat on June 16, 2009, 8:27 GMT

    I dont think so its batting order which bring india out of the worldcup however its the negative mindset of the caption who after winning the toss opted to ball first and throughing his key players like irfan and ohja out of team. and lastly the indian players limitation to bat on the pitch which have some bounce.

    Indian team should understand that this is not domestic cricket like IPL, its a international platform where u have to face the quality .