Pakistan in West Indies 2011 May 16, 2011

Batting, a case of chronic neglect

When Pakistan reflect on their defeat in the first Test, they should examine why their batsmen have developed a habit of falling to some of the world's least celebrated bowlers
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When Pakistan reflect on their defeat in the first Test, courtesy of the occasionally decent bowling of Darren Sammy, they should examine why their batsmen have developed a habit of falling to some of the world's least celebrated bowlers? They might struggle. Batsmanship has become an unfathomable art in Pakistan cricket, lost with the ancients. By default, Pakistan teams can bowl and can't field. The batting, meanwhile, has been spasmodic.

Misbah-ul Haq had an incredible opportunity to carve his name in history by leading a first Pakistan victory in a Caribbean Test series. Those dreams are dust. Misbah might curse his misfortune that West Indies were stiffer opponents than expected, but his frustration would be better directed at the chronic neglect of fundamental batting skills at the highest level of Pakistan cricket.

Pakistan have always struggled for batting, certainly in comparison with their neighbours to the East, yet you would not have described it as a poverty of batting resources. How could you when you could call upon Zaheer Abbas, Majid Khan, Hanif Mohammad, and even Asif Iqbal and Mushtaq Mohammad. Up to the 1980s Pakistan teams might have batted with unreliable spirit, but there would be flashes of genius to inspire hope.

In the 1980s and early 1990s, Imran Khan and Javed Miandad added some spine to Pakistan's performances. Too often it was only their backs to the wall, but their leadership did enough to coerce greater responsibility from their fellows on enough occasions to make Pakistan genuine challengers to West Indies. Fear of Imran's wrath aside, English county cricket played a part in honing and strengthening techniques.

Imran and Javed, Pakistan's contrary heroes, left a legacy of batting promise. Saeed Anwar, Inzamam-ul Haq, Salim Malik, and Ijaz Ahmed were in place to shepherd Pakistan through the 1990s and into the new millennium. Pakistan's batting remained strong if increasingly unpredictable, and underperformance began to become a frustrating norm after the 1999 World Cup.

Following a glut of inevitable departures in the early 2000s, Inzamam remained the champion of Pakistan's middle order with increasing support from Younis Khan and Mohammad Yousuf. Yet Pakistan's problems began to unravel as the opening slot became a position of crisis, and has been as such for a decade; Pakistan haven't had a world-class opening batsman since Saeed Anwar's last Test match in 2001.

The batting disaster has many complex explanations. Cricketing isolation and an inadequate domestic structure are major factors but that doesn't excuse the inadequacies of the approach taken in recent years by Pakistan's cricket board

It is no coincidence that the last spur of Pakistan's batting strength, and the peak of performance from Inzamam, Younis, and Yousuf, came under the guidance of Bob Woolmer. Those very instabilities that surround Pakistan cricket, and the unusually young age of players when they are blooded, means that Pakistan's international batsmen still require much work on the technical basics of their craft. Even world-class performers can benefit from a wise word or subtle pointer when form has deserted them.

Since Bob Woolmer's death, Pakistan's international batsmen haven't had that essential tutelage. It is too much to ask Waqar Younis and Aaqib Javed to fill those important gaps. Until the Pakistan Cricket Board reconfigures the national team's coaching structure to properly develop and improve its international cricketers, Pakistan will continue to miss golden opportunities to win series by the same country mile that Saeed Ajmal missed the final Darren Sammy delivery in the Guyana Test.

Kamran Abbasi is an editor, writer and broadcaster. He tweets here

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  • suds on July 27, 2011, 22:10 GMT

    Good article - though could I suggest an alternative explanation. Player selection in Pakistan cricket is prone to bias and, quite frankly, nepotism. This bias is most manifest when selectors are picking batsman - which is far more subjective and open to opinion than bowling (you can't fake bowling 90 miles per hour). Pakistan have been successful as a team when a powerful personality unwilling to be biased when selecting players has been given the ability to pick the team - the best example being Imran Khan. The current panel of selectors and the Chairman of the Board etc each with their own petty favourites and biases leads to poor selection choices. Unfortunately, Pakistan cricket is reflecting Pakistan society here, and perhaps a start would be to rid the system of nepotistic appointment of the Board Chairman, before beginning the process of ridding the selection process of favouritism and bias.

  • faiz on June 27, 2011, 11:36 GMT

    slam to all i want to ask from all do u know about pak cricket is there pakistan have series in future aug to dec 2011

  • salim on June 26, 2011, 0:10 GMT

    pak cricketers has to learn to play with responsibility,passion and perseverance. Do or die motto.

  • Steve on May 24, 2011, 16:20 GMT

    @Ahmed at May 22, 2011 1:17 PM... Even the Pakistan team of 80s and 90s could not win a series in WI. Sure they gave tough fight but then so did India..Infact won 1 series and the world Cup defeating WI in their prime. As far as poor umpiring goes...well then most nations do have same complaint in 1980s and 1990s when Touring Pakistan. It is often said Miandad was immune to LBW in Pakistan...as per Steve Waugh biography...

  • Salman on May 23, 2011, 9:55 GMT

    Dear Kamran

    Have been following Pakistan sports for 35 years and 2 issues have always been debated 1) lack of good opening batsmen in cricket and 2) absence of penalty corner specialist in Hockey. Except for a brief period, somethings never change.

    Regards

  • zohan99 on May 22, 2011, 19:28 GMT

    batting is the main problem of pakistan cricket, and if we had a batting coach things would be quiet different like our batting collapses such as pak v india semi final .

  • ahmed on May 22, 2011, 13:17 GMT

    @Mike

    I think you haven't followed cricket of late 80's and 90's. It was Pakistan under Imran Khan gave toughest time to the mighty West Indies. If it was not poor umpiring in Port of Spain Pakistan would have defeated the mighty West Indies in their own backyard (second time, remember they won the first test in Guyana) and would have won that series .

    ahmed

  • Imran on May 22, 2011, 3:56 GMT

    Enough with the questioning of Younis Khan's place in the team: he flew home to deal with his brother's sad passing. This was not a selection issue.

    Am I the only one who actually saw the game, instead of just reading the score? The pitch was a nightmare to bat on, and the West Indies got some incredible umpiring decisions in their favour that let the likes of Chanderpaul and Bishoo string together an innings that was otherwise at the mercy of Ajmal & co. Yes, there are batting problems, and yes, there are management issues, but lets not lose sight of what actually happened in the first test. The team fought through some tough conditions and were dealt some of Asoka da Silva's finest handiwork, and still made the West Indies struggle all the way. For a team neither renowned nor experienced in Test cricket, they did well, and providing they keep playing the format, this team will improve.

  • Mid Wicket on May 21, 2011, 12:46 GMT

    The current batch of inexperienced cricketers are completely at sea when it comes to a proper test match. Apart from basic batting skills the 5 day game requires a degree of patience, mental strength and agility. These boys simply lack experience and Ejaz Butt does not have the intelligence to realise this.

  • Asim on May 21, 2011, 7:10 GMT

    Friends, the Team who will win they looks so balanced but when they loose every thing looks ordinary as we can see Mumbai India who was on top and now after many lose games being weakest team. can my friends make their Pakistan 14 men test squad and please share the reason of removal and inclusion of any player from the squad.

  • suds on July 27, 2011, 22:10 GMT

    Good article - though could I suggest an alternative explanation. Player selection in Pakistan cricket is prone to bias and, quite frankly, nepotism. This bias is most manifest when selectors are picking batsman - which is far more subjective and open to opinion than bowling (you can't fake bowling 90 miles per hour). Pakistan have been successful as a team when a powerful personality unwilling to be biased when selecting players has been given the ability to pick the team - the best example being Imran Khan. The current panel of selectors and the Chairman of the Board etc each with their own petty favourites and biases leads to poor selection choices. Unfortunately, Pakistan cricket is reflecting Pakistan society here, and perhaps a start would be to rid the system of nepotistic appointment of the Board Chairman, before beginning the process of ridding the selection process of favouritism and bias.

  • faiz on June 27, 2011, 11:36 GMT

    slam to all i want to ask from all do u know about pak cricket is there pakistan have series in future aug to dec 2011

  • salim on June 26, 2011, 0:10 GMT

    pak cricketers has to learn to play with responsibility,passion and perseverance. Do or die motto.

  • Steve on May 24, 2011, 16:20 GMT

    @Ahmed at May 22, 2011 1:17 PM... Even the Pakistan team of 80s and 90s could not win a series in WI. Sure they gave tough fight but then so did India..Infact won 1 series and the world Cup defeating WI in their prime. As far as poor umpiring goes...well then most nations do have same complaint in 1980s and 1990s when Touring Pakistan. It is often said Miandad was immune to LBW in Pakistan...as per Steve Waugh biography...

  • Salman on May 23, 2011, 9:55 GMT

    Dear Kamran

    Have been following Pakistan sports for 35 years and 2 issues have always been debated 1) lack of good opening batsmen in cricket and 2) absence of penalty corner specialist in Hockey. Except for a brief period, somethings never change.

    Regards

  • zohan99 on May 22, 2011, 19:28 GMT

    batting is the main problem of pakistan cricket, and if we had a batting coach things would be quiet different like our batting collapses such as pak v india semi final .

  • ahmed on May 22, 2011, 13:17 GMT

    @Mike

    I think you haven't followed cricket of late 80's and 90's. It was Pakistan under Imran Khan gave toughest time to the mighty West Indies. If it was not poor umpiring in Port of Spain Pakistan would have defeated the mighty West Indies in their own backyard (second time, remember they won the first test in Guyana) and would have won that series .

    ahmed

  • Imran on May 22, 2011, 3:56 GMT

    Enough with the questioning of Younis Khan's place in the team: he flew home to deal with his brother's sad passing. This was not a selection issue.

    Am I the only one who actually saw the game, instead of just reading the score? The pitch was a nightmare to bat on, and the West Indies got some incredible umpiring decisions in their favour that let the likes of Chanderpaul and Bishoo string together an innings that was otherwise at the mercy of Ajmal & co. Yes, there are batting problems, and yes, there are management issues, but lets not lose sight of what actually happened in the first test. The team fought through some tough conditions and were dealt some of Asoka da Silva's finest handiwork, and still made the West Indies struggle all the way. For a team neither renowned nor experienced in Test cricket, they did well, and providing they keep playing the format, this team will improve.

  • Mid Wicket on May 21, 2011, 12:46 GMT

    The current batch of inexperienced cricketers are completely at sea when it comes to a proper test match. Apart from basic batting skills the 5 day game requires a degree of patience, mental strength and agility. These boys simply lack experience and Ejaz Butt does not have the intelligence to realise this.

  • Asim on May 21, 2011, 7:10 GMT

    Friends, the Team who will win they looks so balanced but when they loose every thing looks ordinary as we can see Mumbai India who was on top and now after many lose games being weakest team. can my friends make their Pakistan 14 men test squad and please share the reason of removal and inclusion of any player from the squad.

  • Mayur Selvartnam on May 20, 2011, 16:00 GMT

    @mohammed alaam at May 18, 2011 9:49 AM : Just because Pakistan won the WC92 in Australia..you feel they will win again in 2015 because it is held in Australia. By that logic WI should win everytime it held in England......and oh SL will probably never win again it since no games take place in Pakistan anymore.

  • Rashid on May 20, 2011, 7:41 GMT

    If we had Yousuf, younger batsman would learn from him.Trust me Yousuf is far better batsman then Misbah and Younus.No one will forgive Misbah for the innings that he played in world cup.Sorry state of Pakistan.

  • Jawwad on May 19, 2011, 18:07 GMT

    Fawad Alam- He was dropped form the Test side based upon his lack of performances in Twenty20's. That's like telling a Marathon runner since you cannot run 100 meters fast enough so we'll drop you from a Marathon race?

  • Desihungama on May 19, 2011, 18:01 GMT

    How can you say Fawad Alam has failed when he has scores of over 300 multiple times in domestic? In 3 Tests, he has average of 41.66? How's that bad?

  • Atiq Bajwa on May 19, 2011, 9:11 GMT

    Pakistani batsmen love to play through the line. Toufeeq needed to be dropped and Azher should open. get Umar Amin in side he can play he had bad england series but who didnt we dont have any left handed batsman in middleorder. Umar Akmal scored most runes for Pakistan in last match he did apply himself but he diodnt get any support. With Salman as keeper our batting loks weakhe needs to get some runs in next match. I feel sorry for Ajmal getting 11 wickets in match and still lose it. Pakistan need specialist fielders in slips at the moment we dont have any good slipper except if Younis is playing.

  • Hassan Masud on May 19, 2011, 7:03 GMT

    During the 70s Pakistan had a lot of good batsmen. After 1982-83 Pakistani youth took Imran Khan as their role model in cricket and the focus shifted to fast and faster bowling, from 1989 to 1997 Wasim & Waqar were at their best, every other boy in Pakistan wanted to just bowl very very fast, In 1996 we had Afridi play this 37 ball 100 and many in Pakistan wanted to become just slogers rather then becoming batsmen Like Zaheer Abbas Javed Miandad. Shahid Afrid never lisened to anyone and carried on like a the crazy cop. During the late 90s Imran Nazir came to the scene and he too was semi-Afridi he was no way near a good compact batsman, again Pakistani youth wrongly took him as the next rolemodel in batting. After Inzi & Yousaf Pakistan lacked rolemodels in batting and people like Asim Kamal were ignored to futher distroy Pakistani batting.

  • farrukh on May 19, 2011, 6:07 GMT

    Among many other problems,Waqar Yunus is a major headache.After World Cup he mentioned we have a good batting line up and we dont need a batting coach.Really?? Among the 4 semi-fimalists our team had the lowest aggregate of runs,lowest batting average, least number of 50s and no century!!Canada got us out for approx 180 run!!.The defeat in test match against West Indies is another example.This man has no idea what he talking. He acts like a zombie when last pair of opponent batsmen are piling up runs.He hides behind sunglasses and tries to give a cool look.

  • cricket lover on May 19, 2011, 5:52 GMT

    again to all those honking for karachi players. none of them deserves a spot in national team..sami, fawad alam, faisal iqbal...all failed after given ample opportunity. pak should have best players in the country if it happens to be all from lahore/punjab or from karachi/sindh etc so be it. stop this nonsense of division. in aust team the best players are mostly from NSW or Vic. do you hear their people cry why no one is from Tasmania or QLD?? if a player doesn't perform in domestic scene they don't put him in for the sake of a region.

    i didn't watch the match but from what i hear the pitch was dicey and pak lost by 40 runs. pak has habit of losing chasing low totals so its mental gap as well as technical.

  • Balaji Krishnamurthy on May 18, 2011, 23:02 GMT

    Having watched the Pakistani batsmen for sometime I would put their poor performance to lack of temperament. Quite a few of the batsmen throw it away after getting a good start. Playing a long innings is all about staying there, conceding a few battles to the bowler and then moving on. Most Pakistani batsmen seem to think that to bash the ball all over is the way to go. They seem to have forgotten how to construct a big innings. For that they need to go no further than look at the likes of Mudassar and Miandad right at home. Personally I feel that the Pakistani players are not taking domestic cricket seriously. Earlier English counties used to hone raw talent. With that option not that readily available now, both Pakistan and West Indies have been struggling.

  • zsodawaterwala on May 18, 2011, 19:05 GMT

    We have to be fare to all Pakistan and make this Punjab team to a real Pakistan team and give proper opportunity to cricketers of Karachi. I suggest MQM to announce a team from Karachi and challenge Pakistan team from Punjab and prove that the cricket bosses should change and fare treatment to cricketers from Karachi should be given.If we have continuously loose with Punjabi cricketers why not to loose with true representation to all Pakistanis

  • Kalyan on May 18, 2011, 19:02 GMT

    Perhaps Pakistan can consider Mohinder Amarnath as a batting coach. Sunil Gavaskar could also be invited to spend time with promising young opening batsmen.

  • beeran on May 18, 2011, 13:39 GMT

    opening slot is the real concern.bring imran farhat>?

  • Fiaz on May 18, 2011, 12:07 GMT

    PCB(punjab cricket board) is messing with pakistan cricket. we want more players from Karachi.

  • abdullah arshad on May 18, 2011, 10:52 GMT

    pak plz win the 2015 world cup...last pak won was in australia and so is the one in 2015.....u never know history might repeat itself.

  • mohammed alaam on May 18, 2011, 9:49 GMT

    PAKISTAN CRICKET??????????????BECUASE AFTER MR CLEAN MAN (MRANKHAN) WHO WAS RUNNING THE TEAM IN GREEN NOW IT Y

  • Azhar on May 18, 2011, 7:52 GMT

    first of all we should get rid of Afridi from pakistan cricket. 2. Professional coaches like Gary kirsten or Dave whatmore. 3. Test Standard bowlers not umar gul, Wahab and Abdul rehman. 4. Test Standard Batsman i.e Younis, Yousaf , Misbah and remove Hafiz,Taufiq,Umar Akmal.

    Pakistan can not win under the coaching of Aqib, Waqar and Alam they are useless even are not aware of modern cricket demands and rules etc.

  • amjad on May 18, 2011, 5:09 GMT

    lets look at the batting options available with pakistan: 1-Kamran Akmal , whose batting avg is terribily low and how can one forget his apt skills at catch dropping(sorry i mean wicket keeping) 2-Shahid Afridi-abysmal batting performance from the word go 3-Younis khan-an in and out batsman 4-Mohd Yousuf-In case he is still remembered and also if he has had any match practice lately. 5-Shoib Malik-I was thinking that he might have taken watching tennis,full time. enlighten me if i am missed some......

  • Amjad on May 18, 2011, 5:02 GMT

    Pakistan needs to improve its domestic structure.What the PCB should do is to groom talents from early stages and not when they are playing at the international level. Ensure proper facilities are provided so that the new breed of cricketers get familarized with the expectations and challenges lying ahead.

  • wasim on May 18, 2011, 4:23 GMT

    i am highly amazed to see th comments on the loss of pak. but why everyone is blaming umar akmal, who played better than others. he was outplayed in the second innings by a good ball from sammy. it is not the individual who can win you games, but it is the whole team work which can get a team win.

  • Asyss on May 18, 2011, 2:13 GMT

    i wud call this mistake of selection....why wud they take Md. Salman who does not know to play cricket....is he batsmen or bowler or keeper lol??? better Kamran wud score you quick 40 runs always for sure! !! !!! i m missing kamran n Kaneria, both wud win u a match!!!!!! lets nt talk bout Butt,Asif n Aamer.........

  • Otto on May 18, 2011, 0:27 GMT

    Asad Shafiq, Azhar Ali,Umar Akmal will at best score a 50. They are far from being world class batsmen unless they learn to play big innings. Hafiz can only score some where between 30 and 40 only if he gets a dead wicket. Inclusion of Salman has made it even harder. Adnan Akmal did what one could expect from a good keeper but I dont know who pressed Mohsan Khan to take Salman instead of Adnan or Sarfaraz. Umar Gul is becoming more like a irritant.

  • Uzma on May 18, 2011, 0:15 GMT

    Fast bowling isn't better than what we have got in batting. Umar Gul has nothing to offer, no awing, nothing. When ravi Rampul could swing it half a yard, Guld couldn't make it deviate an inch. Wahab is not half a bowler of Zahir Khan. And the worst is that all those who are being brought in, are even worse, with speeds of less than 130 kph.

  • Shah on May 18, 2011, 0:03 GMT

    3 MAIN THINGS TO IMPROVE BATSMEN. (1)Biggest problem pakistan crickters face today is the lack of exposure to touring national teams who used to play side matches. Players like Usman Salahuddin, Naved Yasin and some others who score heavily in domestic cricket are not being exposed to tougher conditions and better bowling. It was the most important thing for PCB to ask other nations to compensate our younger players by giving us excessive A-team matches. (2) It's a question of mind set and psycology that our batsmen, even those who are in form loose out when they reach 30s and 40s. A fifty is like a milestone for them where as great batmen score hundreds and even bigger innings. (3) Youngesters need batting coaches and one should consider employing proper coaches instead of great players of the past. A great player can't necessarily be a good bating coach.

  • saad on May 17, 2011, 22:51 GMT

    pakistan needs to run a campaign in which they should tell the youngsters that hitting sixes and fours is not everything in cricket you also have to build an innings.and we should stop taking afridi as a batsman he is now a tailender and he is in the team just because he can bowl

  • Mike on May 17, 2011, 19:41 GMT

    ammm....after reading some pakistani comments on this article.... everyone seems to think its because of the pakistans inability to perform and nothing to do with the fact that west indies were the better team. To the guy who wants to jump in a time machine and go back 10 years to say that west indies wouldnt make even a hundred clearly havent followed cricket...be it 10 years or even 15 years ago pakistan would have been destroyed by the west indies.

  • T.Afzal on May 17, 2011, 19:03 GMT

    The loss was not at all surprising. Pakistan's batting line-up is an absolute joke. The two openers (Hafeez and Umer) are simply not good enough. The only people who don't realize that fact are the clowns choosing them. Both have failed miserably in embarrasing fashion time after time after time. What makes anyone think they will do better the fifth time around. Also, while A. Ali and A. Shafiq have good temperament, they simply do not have the range of shots to succeed long term in international cricket. What Pakistan selectors should do (but won't because they are clowns) is select the six most talented young batsmen in the country and let them play and develop. I know I am giving them too much credit here because I doubt they have any idea how to spot real talent. I can't believe that batting talent in a country that has produced such great batsmen as Miandad, M. Khan, Z. Abbas, Inzamam, M. Yousuf, and S. Anwar has run dry. How about opening with A. Shehzad and N. Jamshed.

  • Desihungama on May 17, 2011, 16:55 GMT

    Problem is the selection of players which is consistently inconsistent. Wrong players are being picked to play wrong formats. T/20 players are in the Test sides, Test players are only part of ODI's. What is Umar Akmal, Hafeez, Salman (wk), Umar Gul doing in a Test side? Why was Taufeeq not given a chance during warm up match? He sure could have familiarize himself with the conditions since he had just flown in? How can you induct two future good players (Asad and Azhar) without the coaching of either Younis or Yousaf? Shouldn't they let Yousaf go when these 2 players are have the art of playing according to conditions and pretty much settled?

  • shan on May 17, 2011, 16:35 GMT

    This Pakistan's team is a bunch of jokers. Which country in its right mind appoints a captain like Afridi? Afridi does not learn anything. I have never seen a team field as badly and as consistently as Pakistan does.It seems they never learn. With pathetic batting, horrendous fielding, and inconsistent seam bowling how can a team win? WI is going to beat them again. Can't those jokers in charge of the PCB do something to restore some pride?

  • Saeed on May 17, 2011, 15:11 GMT

    It wasn't their batting that caused Pakistan to lose the match, it was their bowling. They allowed the WI last wicket partnership(s) to bat for a total of 34 overs & accumulate 76 runs. That's totally unforgivable. It was Bishoo the 'batsman' that beat Pakistan & he should have been given the Man of the Match. Pakistan need to make two changes for the next test. Leave out Mohamed Salman & Umar Gul, & bring in Hammad Azam & Tanvir Ahmed. Have Umar Akmal do the wicket keeping.

    1-Mohamed Hafeez, 2-Taufeeq Umar, 3-Azhar Ali, 4-Asad Shafiq, 5-Misbah ul-Haq, 6-Hammad Azam, 7-Umar Akmal(wk), 8-Abdur Rehman, 9-Wahab Riaz, 10-Tanvir Ahmed, 11-Saeed Ajmal.

  • rwe on May 17, 2011, 15:00 GMT

    I am a great supporter of test match cricket no matter which teams are playing. As a die hard west Indian supporter, i give credit to the team for being able to capitalize on an opportunity. There was no point in the match where i could convincingly say that WI are in for a victory, considering the current state of WI cricket. Reading the comments which seemed to be purely Pakistani based, i realize that they are rocking in the same boat as WI cricket. Both teams have real issues with squad selection.. (WI) after seeing Devon Smith being bullied by Haffez on the entire tour he was still selected in the Test match. (PAK) Whab Riaz, after seeing his performance in the One-day series should not be in the test match playing 11, U. Akmal lacking patience. I believe that both teams are evenly matched with WI a slight advantage in terms of experience. Both the WICB and the PCB should focus on organizing more test matches for their teams... they will not develop through T20s.

  • kiwirocker on May 17, 2011, 14:28 GMT

    pathetic performance..we need a sachin of our own....

  • lan yard on May 17, 2011, 14:09 GMT

    Great analysis. But as a team, no one should be blamed. They have to take full responsibility of their actions uring the game. They should improve their play and develop more determination.

  • Shahzad on May 17, 2011, 14:09 GMT

    @ Bicram (No one knws whether he is continuing his cricket or given up). Yousaf is playing county cricket and he helped Warwikshire to won a test match with a hundered and a fifty in each innings on a pitch where opponent team did not send his two last batsmen for batting with the fear of getting injured of bounces.Very unfortunate for Pakistan to miss him and even more unfortunate to have Ijaz But as chariman

  • Abdullah on May 17, 2011, 13:48 GMT

    Keep this in mind folks. It was a tough pitch to bat on. No Pakistan player had played in the West Indies before in Test Matches. In 2005 West Indies won the 1st test by 296 runs, but Pakistan bounced back successfully to square the series at Sabina Park by a margin of 136 runs.

  • ali on May 17, 2011, 13:36 GMT

    bring fawad alam in the team.

  • Sahil on May 17, 2011, 13:35 GMT

    The Biggest Upset !!!!!!! No-One On The earth could have thought the result that has brought by both the teams . I really pitty Misbah . He Had the Golden chance but his team-mates ?????

  • Ubaid on May 17, 2011, 13:33 GMT

    Absolutely concur with Manjeet, and with some others with the rebuilding comments. The best example to be taken about rebuilding is from Australia, only one or at the most two rookies at a time with the experienced bunch and the rookies are hardened with a military like training before getting into the national side. With one solid test player in Misbah and all the rest mediocre rookies you cannot expect to beat even a low-ranking, second-tier WI team let alone any other solid test team..no wonder pakistan cricket is destined for doom if this circus continues and sure its fast loosing support from the fans all over the world

  • Mabsoos Ahmad on May 17, 2011, 13:25 GMT

    Mr. Abbasi, The headline itself states the problem.Batting is a matter of concern for a while but all administration who is running its affair is not aware of this otherwise action would have been taken.There is technical and basic flaws with these batsmen.If you have watched the batsmen how they are playing.They are at international level but they are making same mistakes again and again and they are not ready to learn.These batsmen playing cross shots and getting out lbw, this is basic mistakes.Everybody knows that straight bat is a safe shot.Besides,the coaching staff is full of ballers,Manager,Coach,Asst.Coach but did you realize that several matches have been lost just because of extras.The Gyana pitch was very good not only for ballers but for batsmen as well.The dressing room planning was not energetic.They never try something new.If the openers have falled in quick succession why they have not sent either some of the lower order batsemn to play like one dayer.Their approach i

  • Rauf on May 17, 2011, 10:34 GMT

    If you send in boys to do a man's job then the results are predictable. Either you bring in 18 year olds in the name of rebuilding the team or you bring experience to try and win. You can't have both. The problem is that PCB has been stuck in rebuilding mode for last 15 years.

  • Ajay on May 17, 2011, 8:58 GMT

    Allright, lost the first test, happens...Can the pakistani team rally back for a fight. The line up has some talent and given the right frame can play a test innings. As cricket fans, you should allow them a bad day at the office. Like someone mentioned earlier on here, it will be sad to see only 5 test teams. That will be cricket's loss not just pakistan's.

  • Sy Ali on May 17, 2011, 8:58 GMT

    I've been watching Pakistan cricket for many a year, talent is not the issue and many do frequently attribute the quality of cricket produced by the 'talent' to inadequate support from the PCB. There is no question about the rubber shoe clowns that make decisions about Pakistan cricket. You don't have to look far to see how cricket is allowed to prosper in India. Pakistan should look to emulate India in that sense.

    I get the feeling that Pakistan cricket is happy to play the 'unpredictable underdog' role in World Cricket, the wobbley legged dribbley cricket ball polishers they have in the team at the moment lack the to quote Kamran the "application" of their trade.

    In fact, all I want to see from Pakistan cricket is 'HEART' I capitalise that because it's just that important. When they go out to bat, bowl or field against the odds, we know that they may not win, but we was to see fight. Desire to win, a passion for the game, guts... I don't mind seeing Pak lose, just fight.

  • mansoor on May 17, 2011, 8:55 GMT

    it's high time Pakistan cricket hire a regular batting coach to groom the youngsters to stay at the wicket for longer duration in test cricket. Players like Umar Akmal are better suited to one day or T20 cricket, but when it comes to playing test cricket,this guy always throws his wicket away.Younis Khan was sorely missed in this match, hopefully he may be around to salvage some lost pride for Pakistan in the next.

  • bikram on May 17, 2011, 8:50 GMT

    when the best batsmen of pak at present yousuf and younus r either not playing or not selected then the result had to be like this. MoYO should have been selected but no one knws wots he doing nowadays. No one knws whether he is continuing his cricket or given up. any update please..I wish he can come back again nd help this pak team at this crunch time, and one more thing is get the rid of Mr dictator Butt. Why has he last say on selection of players? if he is the one who holds last say on selection then wot the use of chief selector and others. It is up to Selectors, Captain and Coach to make the team compositions and strategies. pse get rid of him first. Pak ppl should come together and rally against him to save cricket in Pakistan.

  • Ashok Sridharan on May 17, 2011, 8:44 GMT

    While post-mortems will go on, there is one factor that deserves a special mention: the contributions of numbers 9, 10 and 11. Whereas the last three contributed 88 (54 & 35) between them for the West Indies, the corresponding figure for Pakistan was 26 (11 & 15). The difference of 62 is greater than the margin of victory, which simply means that Pakistan's top and middle order batsmen actually outscored their West Indian counterparts. Ultimately the difference between the sides was grit.

  • Abbas Manzoor on May 17, 2011, 8:09 GMT

    How we can expect a good batting performance when we have three bowling coaches, Waqar,Aqib+Manager Intikhab also a bowler. Afridi demanded for batting coach and i think he is absoultely right and no one better than Miandad.

  • khurram on May 17, 2011, 7:41 GMT

    You cannot always curse bowlers man...we dont have anyone with real test batting skills...we have hafeez who isnt fit to bat but he is in team because of his bowling, nonsense. other opener was a 10 year old "new comer"...misbah cannot hold nerves when it matters most. umer akmal cannot block 5 balls in a row, so did hafeez and ahmed shahzad...asad's footwork isnt appropriate and azhar ali is still not confident. How you can win tests without batsmen man ?

  • roomi on May 17, 2011, 6:34 GMT

    Resting Younis Khan and not selecting Yusuf were terrible decisions as was Dropping Saeed Anwer 10 years ago after Pakistan lost to India in the World Cup despite Anwer scoring a 100. Misbah alone cant save the match. The batting looks really thin on paper especially as the experienced batters plus the likes of Kamran Akmal and Afridi not being in the side. They are both influential players.Fawad alam who has 160 as a opener 2 years ago should have had more chances. West Indies handled the pressure better and won a tight game.

  • harshvardhan on May 17, 2011, 6:27 GMT

    thats what KIWIROCKER is all about he never posts when pakistanis lose which is obviously trend these days and they its easy when ur underdogs to win but when everyone expected to win against as favourites everyone saw what happened

  • Fritz on May 17, 2011, 6:04 GMT

    WHAT ROLES ARE AAQUIB JAWAID AND WAQAR YOUNIS PLAYING AND HOW HAVE THEY CONTRIBUTED TO PAKISTAN CRICKET IN THEIR PRESENT ROLES ?? THEY ARE COMPLETELY OUT OF THEIR DEPTH AND NOBODY HAS MENTIONED THIS IN THEIR COMMENTS. THE CATCHES, THE FIELDING, THE BATTING.....HAS ANYBODY NOTICED ANY IMPROVEMENT ?? PLEASE HIRE PROFESSIONALS IF YOU WANT RESULTS. STOP GAP MEASURES WILL NOT WORK.

  • Nauman on May 17, 2011, 5:35 GMT

    Why did we not play one of younis or yousuf? do we not need to teach n show youngsters what and how to play long innings? this is a total failure of the management. they cant even keep a decent 11. forget about the other isssues pakistan Cricket is going through. what are the selectors doing? what is the management doing? what is the captain doing?

  • Asim on May 17, 2011, 4:16 GMT

    Hello friends.. I think our team work hard and play well and its not the end of the world. we don't even win in 70 years , so not this time too. we have opening problems.Hafeez is a good fighter player, but I think management try to use him according their wishes not as he has the ability. in this match Pakistan's fast bowlers not able to deliver well as West Indian done Same & Ravi. and other thing I would like to share that Pakistan should try to keep saprate one day, t-20 & test squads according to approach. give the chance to new comers in T-20, who perform well get chance in One day and if he make about 10 fifties or few centuries then he can join test team. what do you say about this?

  • AN on May 17, 2011, 0:17 GMT

    @Hamid: You forgot Sehwag who has a higher average compared to the ones you mentioned (53.5 or so) and at a strike rate of 82 in Tests(!) with 7694 runs over 87 Tests. I guess he is in a class all by himself. Political posturing aside, why not get some batting coaches from India or elsewhere? Sehwag's old batting coach is still around. If Wasim Akram can be a bowling coach for KKR in IPL, then why is that PCB wont seriously address this issue? With Younis not available (my condolences to his family) at least Mo. Yousuf should have been brought back. I somehow suspected that this would happen. Are we headed for an era of just four or five solid Test teams? I certainly hope not.

  • Anwar on May 16, 2011, 23:32 GMT

    None of the Pakistan batsman have capability to play the test match in current series.lot of20-20 and one day lost the temperament of batsman to stay long on the wicket....I wonder no batting coach instead of two bowling coach when u your batting is struggling...

  • Afzal Ahemed on May 16, 2011, 23:17 GMT

    Manjeet said it right...........Take a survey across Pakistan of aspiring players in age group 5 to 25..Most of them will say Afridi is great role model....A very very small minority might say Misbah or Younis or Miandad...these players are riducled as tuk tuk players...Tuk Tuk is the true test of batsman's temperament...They leave out good balls...defend the ones that need to be played and make bowlers tired...and break their enthusiasm & morale with time...and then score when the tide is in their favour....If you see world class players who score big ( barring Sehewag, Gayle and couple other ones who have fantastic hand-eye coordination rather than technique)... Ponting,Tendulkar, Jaywardene,Dravid,Laxman,Hussey,Chanderpaul, Taylor and other play the first 25 odd balls cautiously and wait for their chance and then score huge..breaking the morale of opposing bowler and team. Our players seem to think that even in test a 40 ball 75 is must criteria or else their place is in danger.

  • Hamid on May 16, 2011, 22:07 GMT

    Chris Gayle, Sanath Jayasuria, Adam Gilchrist and Kevin Pietersen are examples of good hitters. Shahid Afridi is just hype!

  • Hamid on May 16, 2011, 22:00 GMT

    Being a hitter per say is not a bad trait. Look at bastmen like Chris Gayle. That guy has a triple century in test cricket and also is a very good T20 player. The difference b/w him and Afridi however is consistency and ability to play for long time! Anyone who idolizes Afridi is really stupid! Nowadays that guy can't pass a score of 15!

  • muzz on May 16, 2011, 21:53 GMT

    what we miss is planning and role perception when hafeez takes wicket he assumes he is playing as bowler? when akmal gets to 30-40 he thinks I am maintaingin my average, when we drop catches we assume 'no damage done'. There is no pride, Until this match Misbah was riding his luck as a captain but when you let tail enders to make half of the oppositions runs what is the point. Bruno never won championship because he missed the killer punch. We miss the killer punch because we are proud in defeat. Planning is team work but we have individuals full of so called promised talent but they are like little 'poodles' in field and always press the self destruction buttons. For Paki team win the match to earn money or play free if you loose we will start winning.

  • Bosco Martyres on May 16, 2011, 21:53 GMT

    Pakistan have an abundance of talent, but they keep shooting themselves in the foot by overlooking some of it. Take Mohd. Yousuf a world class player who is forced to play county cricket in England because the mutts in the PCB discarded him. This has happened to so many good players in the past it is unbelievable, But then I suppose nepotism and cronyism are part of the national make-up, so why should cricket be any different right?

  • Ali Saifuddin on May 16, 2011, 21:10 GMT

    WELL in pakistan the policy regarding batting is only Hit Out Or Get Out,that is the policy that our batsmen also follow. We cannot only criticise the team,or some specific person. The biggest Reason that we dont have good batsmen is that there is no legend born batsmen in pakistan.however there were good batsmen like inzamam,miandad,zaheer abbas but they cannot be tagged legends or some thing like Tendulkar or Gavaskar And Records Proove It.in contrast the bowling has had legends through out in forms of imran khan,wasim akram and as a reason Pakistan is never short of gud bowlers.the basic idea of my statements is that today youngster in pakistan dont have a batting idol to follow at.only way is known to people and that is the afridi way !.to sum up i just want question the PCB and that is Why do u want to play a similar team that play both tests and T20 s,and instead of taking youngsters like shehzad why play some one like taufeeq umar who has never played well recently in my memory.

  • Shahzad on May 16, 2011, 21:07 GMT

    Why do not you suggest to get back the best batsman, Yousuf in the team

  • khan on May 16, 2011, 21:03 GMT

    Long story short. Pakistan lost due to wrong selection of players fit to play test cricket. Wicket-keeper is pathetic (can not keep or bat). Make Umar Akmal as a keeper and include Younus khan for Salman. Need couple of bowlers who can bowl as well as bat. Test cricket is always won from middle to lower order performances. In this case, West Indies' last pair won the game for them. All our batsmen kept getting out to sammy' incoming deliveries. Adjust the stance morans. Did you guys not learn the lesson from Kulasekar's incoming bowling in Sri-lanka tour last year????

  • Akkers on May 16, 2011, 21:00 GMT

    Hmm..when was Asif Masood a bastman? If I remember correctly, he was an opening fast bowler and a poor no. 11 batsman.

  • Salman on May 16, 2011, 20:52 GMT

    Waqar younis is cause of all problem, he brings bad luck when as player in WCs and now as coach. He is the only reason Mohammad Yousuf missed his last Worldcup!!

  • NAEEM HUSAIN on May 16, 2011, 19:46 GMT

    As long the Pakistan Cricket Board allows Intikhab Alam to hang around with pakistan cricket in different shapes and Ejaz Butt as the president of Pakistan cricket Board and inexperience Waqar Younis as Coach, nothing will change. There is no concept of merit system, no concept of responsibility and no respect for country's reputation particularly in CRICKET where pakistan could be a dominating country. But NO. The same old tradition of picking incompetent players mostly from influential approaches is the result of humiliation and agony of defeat. It will continue!It's about time to bring a complete change in the structure of cricket management and in the selection process. Pakistan is full of talented players. Pick the best for the country sake and do not discriminate and then see the sweet smell of success! MOTIVATION, FAIR SELECTION AND GOOD COACHING. That's what Pakistan cricket need.

  • Faisal on May 16, 2011, 19:43 GMT

    Excellent article.... How many batsmen in the curent Pakistani team play regularly in the domestic circuit?

  • EAMiran on May 16, 2011, 19:24 GMT

    I would agree with Manjeet.I think Afridi's famous ODI century 13 years ago was the one of the worst things that happened to Pakistan cricket. It gave birth to a slew of brainless batsmen intent on bashing every ball with little regard for technique and lesser still for the match situation; from Nazir, Farhat, Shehzad, to Shazaib and the talented but reckless Umar Akmal. Brainless batting, and a diet of ODI's and T20 have decimated temperament and technique. Azhar Ali and Shafiq are the two exceptions from the younger generation; however these two need some time to develop. Role models have been important in Pak cricket and while the bowling department have had great bowlers to emulate (both pace and spin)and have, till Aamir and Asif, produced world class fast bowlers, the same is not the case with the batting. Unfortunately media darling Afridi has been the batting role model for youngsters for the last 13 years not Inzi,Yousuf, Younis or that "golden oldie" - Miandad.

  • Tahir Rashid on May 16, 2011, 19:18 GMT

    Batting has always been our major let down but now fielding too has become woeful. This defeat is the nadir of our cricket. Losing to B rated WI team is just not on.

    We keep on blaming Ijaz Butt and rest of his cronies. But there is dearth of talent in the nation. Quite frankly Pakistan cricket is descending in to darkness just as quick as the current political leadership.

  • Avicenna on May 16, 2011, 19:06 GMT

    Everything boils down to unfair team selection. When the top scorer of pentagular cup (Fawad Alam), most successful fast bowler of last four tests (Tanveer Ahmed) and best available wicketkeeper-batsman (Sarfaraz) would be ignored, how one can expect a result otherwise.

  • Nasser Ali Khan on May 16, 2011, 19:03 GMT

    Manjeet has hit the nail on its head - most Pakistanis have always missed the real issue. The Pakistani concept of Afridi and Boom Boom is it. Pakistanis do not understand real cricket. Any comment about Chanderpaul's innings ? - how many will agree that it was a tremendous performance by a batsman, who had the big heart to battle it out rather than take the easy route of hit or miss.But then to be fair, Chanderpaul is a batsman and Pakistanis are not (apart from Misbah, Asad, and Azhar, and to a lesser extent Umar). It would help Pakistanis to do a bit of reading and look at the performances of other test cricketers, including past Pakistani batsmen, performing against the top fast bowlers and playing in WI and in Australia. Scores of 600 were not uncommon. Just consider the early 70s line up in batting order: Sadiq, Majid,Zaheer,Mushtaq,Asif,Wasim Raja, Intikhab Alam, Wasim Bari, Sarfaraz,Imran, Asif Masood.

    Our batsmen need to work on technique and learn not to surrender.

  • Hamid on May 16, 2011, 18:51 GMT

    Pakistan's batting has always been poor at chasing! period!

  • ksamdani on May 16, 2011, 18:46 GMT

    it's all about the psyche! talent, brilliance, genius we have in abundance but mental strength is not the make up of your average pakistani! just look through our history and see if you can count the like of imran khan on more than one hand. he was the exception to the rule! more gifted cricketers than imran we have and have had aplenty but when it comes to blood and guts and sheer toghness of mind we just don't cut it! at stumps on day three rampaul claimed windies only needed one wicket to win. how right he was! our boys obviously heard him and obliged. bowling coaches, batting coaches, fielding coaches, mind coaches, yes they can all help but we need to believe in our own ability and back ourselves a bit more, never give up!!

  • asad on May 16, 2011, 18:46 GMT

    A rookie test bowler like Ravi Rampaul who has played 3 or 4 test matches prior to this one,and who has a very unflattering record in those test previous showed all how fast bowlers should bowl on such wickets.Contrast his performance with Umar Gul who is suppose to be the spearhead of Pakistan attack, fails to take a single wicket with all his test experience.He cut a pathetic picture in that test and confirms what I have always suspected of him,he is mentally weak and can be classed as a 20/20 bowler nothing else.Two quality openers needs to come through for pakistan not those jokers,Hafeez and taufique,at present there are only 3 batsmen in that pakistan team,misbah,shafiq,and umar akmal.The wicket keeper doesn't appear to have a clue as how he should bat,replacing him as well would be a good idea.

  • Karim on May 16, 2011, 18:38 GMT

    Watching the match, it was apparent that the Pakistan batsmen lacked the same self-belief of the West Indians. After all most of the players e.g. Asad or Azhar Ali scored some runs in one of their two innings and we all know that ability only gets you thus far. You ahve to be mentally strong too and their nerves failed them as it has too often in recent times. Although they do not have the same level of ability as their predecessors, this was still a gettable total if they had shown some mental strength and applied themselves. And as for Misfired ul Haq this was yet another instance of failing to finish the job. But that's a minor detail for really the team's cricketing regression is only a reflection of the mess the country is in.

  • Srini on May 16, 2011, 18:27 GMT

    Only in Kamran's last article, I mentioned PAK will win the Test series easily due to their superior bowling department. But, I completely forgot about the utter fragility of PAK's batting. PAK team had the match in pocket with less than 225 runs to make in the 4th innings, but batters made a hash of it. They definitely need a batting coach to help them master Test cricket batting needs.

  • Shehryar Khan on May 16, 2011, 18:26 GMT

    Pakistan's batting barring a brief period with Imran and Miandad in the late 80's and early 90's have always been "paper tigers", even when we had Majid, Zaheer, and Co. in our line up. Who can forget the dismal display when we succummed to th Aussies for 62 at Perth or our frequent collapses for 50 odd in both innings to the Aussies in Dubai and to England more recently. What's making matters worse is the stubborn insistence and bias of our selectors and PCB to continue to "favour" mediocre non-test class players over the years like Shoaib Malik, Mohammad Hafeez, and Co. For some reason neither Imran Farhat nor Yasir Hameed, who are far better test calibre players have been ignored on this tour. Both can play long innings and our vastly better test players than Hafeez and Taufeeq. Meanwhile, our "THINK TANK" insists on playing Umar Gul and Abdul Rehman, who are NOT test class bowlers. On a most helpful pitch where Windies got swing and seam, our pace bowlers did nothing!

  • Jibzi on May 16, 2011, 18:05 GMT

    Great article first of all. We really have a big problem with the batting and without the experience of Younis Khan and Mohammad Yousuf, who is playing county cricket, it was always going to be hard. This defeat really hurt badly, because we just seemed to lose wickets on alot of balls that went straight past our defences at ease (without swinging much for the pacemen) hence the number of LBWs and yes while the pitch was awful at Test level, it wasnt an excuse to score below 200 on both occasions.

    More importantly, we really need to kill off the opposition's innings, and in the space of 15 months, I've seen Hussey/Siddle for Australia, Trott/Broad for England, and now Chanderpaul/Bishoo for WI drag their team from potentially losing to challenging/winning positions as we continually fail in the fielding/catching areas. What happened to Adnan Akmal? Not saying he's a Gilchrist but I thought he was impressive in his stint as WK and finally Umar Gul has to start getting some wickets.

  • qasemh on May 16, 2011, 18:00 GMT

    Youngsters have an impressionable mind. When Afridis of this country are the role-models, you are sure to produce more Afridis. Umar Akmal is another Afridi-wanna-be. No application, patience or hard-work, just short cuts and hard (blind) hitting.

  • Osman Aftab Ahmed on May 16, 2011, 17:55 GMT

    A change is badly needed starting with the whole of PCB. They need to replace nepotism and political cronyism with standards and merit. Everyone starting from the very top in the PCB needs to be transparent and accountable.

    Furthermore, when they booted Saeed Anwar, that was the biggest blunder they made. Don't look at the age or appearance of the player and instead judge everyone by standards. If they had found a better opener than Anwar, final relegate him to the Pakistan B team. These idiot have made the same damn mistake with Muhammad Yousuf. This chap just played a gem of an innings for Warwickshire, on an unplayeble pitch. He top scored for the county in both innings. Get him back for God's sake and please Mr Butt & co leave Pak cricket alone. Please look at facts and figures, and adjust these statistically to have a reliable selection process in place - it is not rocket science!

  • David Spence on May 16, 2011, 17:46 GMT

    I have watched cricket all over the world and I am a big fan of Pakistan. The pitch was not up to test standards in this match. The test should have been abandoned and rescheduled at another location.

  • Tanveer on May 16, 2011, 17:36 GMT

    Hafeez and Umar Akmal should not be part of Test squad. They are OK for ODIs. In Test you need batmen that have patience and can build a big innings. Both Hafeez and Akmal has the propensity to throw their wicket away at any time. We need a solid opener, who once gets a good start can carry on to make a big score. Also, after Amir and Asif's departure we need good test quality fast bowlers. Gul is OK for ODI and T20s but for test matches he does not have the skills to take wickets. Same goes for Wahab Riaz. In any event, Pakistan should've won this match.

  • Ahmed on May 16, 2011, 17:15 GMT

    Good analysis. In addition to what you have written, team Pakistan is becoming more and more Lahore-11. There is clear injustice being meted out to Khi players like Kaneria, Sarfaraz and Fawad Alam. Similarly Tanvir Ahmed is much better test bowler compared to Wahab "the misguided" Riaz and Umar Lul. Umar Gul should be sent back for being so bloody pathetic throughout the test, cant bat, cant bowl, cant field....Waqar Younis has done his job and should be replaced by some foreign coach who is basically a batsmen and is also extremely agressive. Someone like Steve Waugh, Graham Gooch or Greg Chappel....

  • Manjeet on May 16, 2011, 17:08 GMT

    Whn your youngsters idol to emulate is Afridi....whose batting idea is to just cone in and blindly whack bat ..hoping it will connect and 6 and 4 will happen..what else can happen...True once in a 50 innings you will connect everything and end up with 40 ball 100s but its equally true 49 times you will fail and be a walking wicket. On other hand an organised batter like Misbah is riducled and joked and cursed. He may have failed few times but he has scored a lot many times. There in lies the reason for chronic batting problems.

  • DaGameChanger on May 16, 2011, 17:03 GMT

    You cannot expect to produce a great cricketers when Shahid Afridi a lower end mediocre player has been glorified to legendary status of Wasim and Waqar. Pakistan batting is worse than Bangladesh at this time.

  • ali jamal on May 16, 2011, 16:59 GMT

    no surprises here. i am going to support hockey now

  • harshvardhan on May 16, 2011, 16:24 GMT

    this is terrible no fidel edwards,jerome taylor,darren powell,gayle,sarwan,bravo and still they lose i am speechless as to how they cant score 200 odd against this WI team where is KIWIROCKER guys he may help everyone out

  • asim on May 16, 2011, 16:22 GMT

    I would suggest a different spin. for the last 20 years Pakistan has won mostly on the basis of their bowling. even in our batting hayday, consistency was limited. our current problem is the lack of incisive bowling. barring Amir and Asif, our bowling has lost the ability to run through quality line ups. the current WI team would not have reached 100 in either innings ten years ago (if the bowlers were sincere) against us. when you get the chance, I hope you will look into what is the cause of this dirth in bowling talent?

  • Veeray on May 16, 2011, 15:58 GMT

    I dont know y fawad isnt selectd in test team,& once i saw a bowler jamsheed ahmad in u19 cup.he is vry talentd,were is he now.?

  • sern on May 16, 2011, 15:45 GMT

    Mr.Abbasi,

    have you stopped to think why your bowlers did well, may be it is because pitch was helpful otherwise they fall in same class as their batsmen.

    so don't blame batsmen blame bowlers who allowed last pair to score more than 70 runs in both innings.

  • Omar Hussain on May 16, 2011, 15:33 GMT

    Not a bad article Kamran but you are missing the whole point of the defeat!Pakistan have the batsmen but it is the old old problem of nerves that is the cause of our defeat.It happened when Majid,Zahir,Mushtaq and Asif where at their zeinth and it happenend when even Imran when was roaring at his top but for some reasons the tailenders got away with murder.At just over 100 with the last man in Pakistan were almost home+dry but instead of going for the kill our bowlers allowed the last pair to put on over 50 runs and this proved to be decisive in the end!I have good expectations of our young players like Shafiq and Wahab Riaz but i am not in favour of U.Akmal because he is always getting out when well set.Anyways we have to cheer up our team for the next test+remember even the excellent South Africans lost to a West Indies side just as weak as this one!I would not call this WI side that weak because it is showing great character and fighting harder than the sides of a few years back.

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  • Omar Hussain on May 16, 2011, 15:33 GMT

    Not a bad article Kamran but you are missing the whole point of the defeat!Pakistan have the batsmen but it is the old old problem of nerves that is the cause of our defeat.It happened when Majid,Zahir,Mushtaq and Asif where at their zeinth and it happenend when even Imran when was roaring at his top but for some reasons the tailenders got away with murder.At just over 100 with the last man in Pakistan were almost home+dry but instead of going for the kill our bowlers allowed the last pair to put on over 50 runs and this proved to be decisive in the end!I have good expectations of our young players like Shafiq and Wahab Riaz but i am not in favour of U.Akmal because he is always getting out when well set.Anyways we have to cheer up our team for the next test+remember even the excellent South Africans lost to a West Indies side just as weak as this one!I would not call this WI side that weak because it is showing great character and fighting harder than the sides of a few years back.

  • sern on May 16, 2011, 15:45 GMT

    Mr.Abbasi,

    have you stopped to think why your bowlers did well, may be it is because pitch was helpful otherwise they fall in same class as their batsmen.

    so don't blame batsmen blame bowlers who allowed last pair to score more than 70 runs in both innings.

  • Veeray on May 16, 2011, 15:58 GMT

    I dont know y fawad isnt selectd in test team,& once i saw a bowler jamsheed ahmad in u19 cup.he is vry talentd,were is he now.?

  • asim on May 16, 2011, 16:22 GMT

    I would suggest a different spin. for the last 20 years Pakistan has won mostly on the basis of their bowling. even in our batting hayday, consistency was limited. our current problem is the lack of incisive bowling. barring Amir and Asif, our bowling has lost the ability to run through quality line ups. the current WI team would not have reached 100 in either innings ten years ago (if the bowlers were sincere) against us. when you get the chance, I hope you will look into what is the cause of this dirth in bowling talent?

  • harshvardhan on May 16, 2011, 16:24 GMT

    this is terrible no fidel edwards,jerome taylor,darren powell,gayle,sarwan,bravo and still they lose i am speechless as to how they cant score 200 odd against this WI team where is KIWIROCKER guys he may help everyone out

  • ali jamal on May 16, 2011, 16:59 GMT

    no surprises here. i am going to support hockey now

  • DaGameChanger on May 16, 2011, 17:03 GMT

    You cannot expect to produce a great cricketers when Shahid Afridi a lower end mediocre player has been glorified to legendary status of Wasim and Waqar. Pakistan batting is worse than Bangladesh at this time.

  • Manjeet on May 16, 2011, 17:08 GMT

    Whn your youngsters idol to emulate is Afridi....whose batting idea is to just cone in and blindly whack bat ..hoping it will connect and 6 and 4 will happen..what else can happen...True once in a 50 innings you will connect everything and end up with 40 ball 100s but its equally true 49 times you will fail and be a walking wicket. On other hand an organised batter like Misbah is riducled and joked and cursed. He may have failed few times but he has scored a lot many times. There in lies the reason for chronic batting problems.

  • Ahmed on May 16, 2011, 17:15 GMT

    Good analysis. In addition to what you have written, team Pakistan is becoming more and more Lahore-11. There is clear injustice being meted out to Khi players like Kaneria, Sarfaraz and Fawad Alam. Similarly Tanvir Ahmed is much better test bowler compared to Wahab "the misguided" Riaz and Umar Lul. Umar Gul should be sent back for being so bloody pathetic throughout the test, cant bat, cant bowl, cant field....Waqar Younis has done his job and should be replaced by some foreign coach who is basically a batsmen and is also extremely agressive. Someone like Steve Waugh, Graham Gooch or Greg Chappel....

  • Tanveer on May 16, 2011, 17:36 GMT

    Hafeez and Umar Akmal should not be part of Test squad. They are OK for ODIs. In Test you need batmen that have patience and can build a big innings. Both Hafeez and Akmal has the propensity to throw their wicket away at any time. We need a solid opener, who once gets a good start can carry on to make a big score. Also, after Amir and Asif's departure we need good test quality fast bowlers. Gul is OK for ODI and T20s but for test matches he does not have the skills to take wickets. Same goes for Wahab Riaz. In any event, Pakistan should've won this match.