August 30, 2012

LV= County Championship, Thursday, August 30

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6.30pm: Jon Culley at Warwickshire v Nottinghamshire

Nottinghamshire are at least making a fight of this. After James Taylor trod on his stumps going back to a ball from Chris Wright and Adam Voges flashed at a wide ball that kept low from Tom Milnes to be caught brilliantly by William Porterfield at gully, Chris Read and Alex Hales have added 119 for the fifth wicket with the Warwickshire bowlers as yet unable to separate them. Full report to follow.

6.05pm: David Lloyd at Somerset v Surrey

Chris Adams, Surrey’s team director, has been to the press box to talk about the run-out incident. He revealed that Barrow had been warned, earlier in the over, by Kartik for backing up too far – although a warning is no longer a requirement of the law.

“I think in terms of upholding the laws of cricket it was the right decision (but) I think the situation certainly challenges the spirit of cricket,” said Adams. “That is regrettable.

“I will support the captain in this because I have been out there in many, many situations where it is very intense. These are very intense days for a lot of teams, but especially us. It has been a very, very difficult summer (Surrey’s young player Tom Maynard died in mid-summer) and we find ourselves in a position where every point, every wicket and every run appears to be of the highest premium.”

Adams recalled the dismissal of Ian Bell at Trent Bridge last year, when India ran him out after he thought tea had been called. “In that incidence they (India) had 20 minutes of a tea-break to reflect, discuss and consider and whether it was right to change that decision.

“I think we all breathed a sigh of relief when that decision was overturned. I would like to think that had we been afforded the same 20 minutes that perhaps we would have come to the same outcome. Perhaps we wouldn’t.

“But Gareth is very forthright he considered everything and he got to that decision for the right reasons. He’s had to reflect and asked himself if he made the right decision. He’s convinced that in that decision he did. Would he in the future make the same decision? He doesn’t know.

“I would suggest maybe in the goodness of time we could all say that the one thing that hasn’t been totally upheld is the spirit of cricket, and that is regrettable.”

Kartik, meanwhile, has tweeted: "Everyone get a life, please.. if a batsman is out for a stroll inspite of being warned does that count as being in the spirit of the game?"

4.35pm: David Lloyd at Somerset v Surrey

There is real anger here, and hardly surprising. When Surrey’s players left the field at tea they were booed into their dressing room as spectators gathered by the Andy Caddick pavilion.

One man, who announced himself as a Surrey member, shouted that Batty and Kartik should resign, adding that the team should be “ashamed” of themselves. And among the comments from Somerset supporters was the cry: “You are a disgrace to cricket.”

Somerset captain Marcus Trescothick, who has promised to speak after the day’s play, came down during the tea interval to placate a home supporter who was particularly furious. But a 20-minute interval did nothing to reduce the general strength of feeling.

When Surrey trooped out for the final session, with Batty and Kartik in the leading group, the boos rang out again.

4.30pm: Myles Hodgson at Lancashire v Durham

There may have been a bit of a row brewing at Taunton this afternoon regarding batsmen being run out backing up, but up in the North they appear happy to follow the spirit of cricket. Cricket dressing rooms are notorious for gossip spreading quickly, so it unlikely the two sides emerged after tea at Aigburth unaware of Murali Kartik’s run out.

Whether that influenced Simon Kerrigan, Lancashire’s left-arm spinner, or not is yet to be determined, but he opted to warn non-striker Michael Richardson when he backed up too far rather than appeal for a run out.

Kerrigan would have been in a good mood anyway, having just broken a 90-run opening stand with Mark Stoneman being caught at short leg at the second attempt by Steven Croft.

3.45pm: Jon Culley at Warwickshire v Nottinghamshire

Even though the vast new grandstand has given Edgbaston an imposing feel, it still is a somewhat bleakly utilitarian cricket venue compared, say, with Trent Bridge. But at least it is still called simply Edgbaston. You can understand the commercial benefits of selling naming rights to a stadium but I've always felt that The Oval's various prefixes have cheapened the old ground's tradition. And no sooner had we become used to the Rose Bowl and Riverside in the fixture list than they ceased to exist at all.

I fear for Edgbaston's identity, though, in a city where even the local suburbs appear to have sold their souls for sponsorship. I have been staying during this match at my daughter's flat in Harborne, one of those posh urban enclaves that likes to think of itself as a village. As you enter the High Street there is a sign by the road welcoming visitors, upon which the most prominent word is 'Waitrose'. Much bigger than 'Harborne', which appears in small letters underneath.

This is a worrying trend. Should it be known now as Waitrose Harborne? And how long before they drop the 'Harborne' altogether?

Meanwhile, after a stoppage for bad light, Nottinghamshire are 36-1 in reply to Warwickshire's 504-6 declared. Alex Hales and Michael Lumb, neither of whom will be available for the return match between these sides the week after next, are at the crease. Riki Wessels is the man out, having gone rather tamely when he flicked a ball from Wright to square leg.

3pm: David Lloyd at Somerset v Surrey

No-one is laughing here now. Kartik has just run out Alex Barrow for backing up too far at the non-striker’s end. Umpire Peter Hartley, at the bowler’s end, apparently asked Surrey captain Gareth Batty three times whether he wanted to withdraw the appeal but the Surrey man was not for turning.

The boos started to ring out as Barrow departed – and they continued when it became clear that the batsman was not going to be called back. Then when Kartik bowled again, the boos continued, followed soon after by some slow handclapping.

2.50pm: David Lloyd at Somerset v Surrey

There was a hint that Murali Kartik might be up for this match against his former county when he walloped 23 runs while btting at No 11 on Tuesday. And boy was he ticking this afternoon.

Bowling from the River End, with the strong wind at his back, the left-arm spinner won three lbw decisions in the space of 14 balls to send Somerset staggering from 151 for two to 167 for five.

Hildreth, Jones and Jos Buttler were all beaten – Hildreth trying to sweep and the other two defending – and all of them were left in no doubt how much their departures delighted the bowler. He whooped and hollered and, in the case of Hildreth, clearly said something that found little favour with the batsman.

These things are almost always shrouded in doubt but it is safe to say that Kartik’s move from Somerset to Surrey at the end of last season wasn’t concluded with smiles and handshakes all around.

Anyway, Kartik was laughing early this afternoon – and Somerset needed to rebuild.

2.05pm: Myles Hodgson at Lancashire v Durham

It is difficult for batsmen to resume their innings when a day has been washed out by rain and so it proved for Tom Smith, who had been stranded on 86 while he watched the rain fall yesterday. When he did finally take guard again at 1.00pm, his innings was quickly disrupted by a brief rain shower that was so intense it prompted Paul Collingwood and Phil Mustard to start running off the field even before the umpires had signalled an interruption.

Only 27 balls after taking the new ball, however, Smith was returning to the dressing room again after edging Graham Onions behind for 91 having shared a crucial 110-run stand with Kyle Hogg. To underline the difficulty Smith had in mastering Onions, he scored only four runs off 48 balls faced from the England bowler.

Onions completed his fifth five-wicket haul in 11 matches this season in his next over, removing Glen Chapple’s middle stump as he attempted a heave to the leg-side. He has also conceded only 36 runs in his 25 overs and been hit for only four boundaries off his bowling.

1.15pm: Les Smith at Yorkshire v Gloucestershire

My cautious optimism of twenty minutes ago was misguided. Umpires David Millns and Steve O’Shaughnessy took a brief walk around the fringes of the square, had a chat with the groundsman, and decided that, although it’s no longer raining, there is no prospect of the field being fit for play today.

That means that Yorkshire have now lost the equivalent of 23 County Championship days out of a possible 55, including 13 complete days. So, depending on how the captains, Andrew Gale and Hamish Marshall, decide to play it, we might see something contrived tomorrow, or a day of Yorkshire trying to maximise the returns from a draw. Either way, the weather forecast is for a marked improvement, and we’ll all be grateful just to see some cricket.

1.20pm: Jon Culley at Warwickshire v Nottinghamshire

It has been a tough morning for Nottinghamshire, who have seen Warwickshire's total expand from 298-5 overnight to 456 for the loss of only one wicket, which has effectively put the Trent Bridge side out of the title race this year.

There is no Andre Adams, so it has been left to Andy Carter, Paul Franks and Luke Fletcher to work out a seam-bowling rota with Graeme White twirling in between. Chris Wright was caught at mid-off when his attempt to hit second six off the left-arm spinner flew off a leading edge to mid-off, where Carter took a well judged catch.

Wright was ostensibly a nightwatchman but didn't bat like one as he completed his first half-century since moving to Edgbaston from Essex last season. It was a loan move initially but he bowled so well, taking 22 wickets in four first-class matches, he earned a full contract. He is their joint leading wicket-taker in the Championship this year with Keith Barker, on 45. If there was a better signing last winter, it escaped me.

Tim Ambrose, meanwhile, is unbeaten on 122 after reaching his first century in three years with a couple of boundaries off Paul Franks that took his tally to 17 and he has added two more since. The departure of Wright, meanwhile, merely heralded the arrival of Ian Blackwell, who has been in his meaty element against the flagging Notts attack, smiting 50 off only 39 balls and finishing the morning by clubbing Carter for his fourth six.

Warwickshire have five batting points but after the loss of all of the second day they will try to add a few more before attempting to bowl Notts out twice.

1.10pm: David Lloyd at Somerset v Surrey

The wind, gusting furiously at times, may have helped to dry the outfield but it is causing our old friends from ‘elf and safety’ a few concerns, and rightly so. With the pitch well to one side of the square, Somerset have extended the sight-screen by using large sheets – turning the thing into a sail!

Like Somerset’s batting, it is holding firm at the moment. Actually, the men in the middle are doing rather better than that.

In defence of my earlier comment about Meaker being a handful, he has caused problems with his pace and bounce – and should have had James Hildreth caught at leg gully for 25. Rory Burns made a hash of a stomach-high two-hander, a mistake which has already proved costly.

Hildreth reached 50, from 83 balls, while his third-wicket partner, Chris Jones - a Durham University student - has also passed 40 in this his fourth championship innings of the season. Together they have added 100-plus for the third wicket and taken the hosts to 124 for two with a delayed lunch still 20 minutes away.

12.55pm: Les Smith at Yorkshire v Gloucestershire

In the event that we lose a second full day at North Marine Road, Yorkshire will face a dilemma. Their three bowling bonus points gained on the first day brought them to within ten points of second placed Hampshire. Three additional points for the draw and up to five batting bonus points might potentially reduce the deficit to two points, with a home game against bottom placed Glamorgan to come next week. The alternative would be to go for broke and approach Gloucestershire with a view to setting up a run chase tomorrow afternoon.

In fact, during the last fifteen minutes we’ve seen, while the players have been taking their early lunch, the first signs today that it might not come to that. The heavy rain has finally moved offshore, though the few hardy souls out in the open still have umbrellas up. The cold wind hasn’t abated, though, and while it might help to dry the outfield, it’s likely to make for unpleasant playing conditions for the players if they do get onto the field later.

11.35am: Myles Hodgson at Lancashire v Durham

Talkiing of door-stepping interviews, I was present at one of the finest doomed attempts to get away from the media in recent times at Trent Bridge a few years ago. Michael Vaughan, making one of his comebacks after a knee operation, had been seen, unexpectedly, warming up out in the middle. This attracted the attention of those media in the box, who went down to meet him and try and get a quote.

We were told he had gone to the indoor school, so we followed him there and after completing his net, he answered a couple of questions before attempting to leave our presence. Unfortunately for him, the lift was slow to arrive so he began furiously pressing buttons to try and hasten his departure and end the impromptu press conference. He tried changing the subject to Sheffield Wednesday before the lift finally arrived, which is not a tactic you would expect from Mr Pietersen.

As you can gather from my rambling anecdote, there has been no play so far here at Aigburth. We are already on our third inspection of the morning with Nigel Cowley and Martin Bodenham, the umpires, still looking at the outfield suspiciously.

11.30am: Les Smith at Yorkshire v Gloucestershire

Former Yorkshire and England off spinner Geoff Cope phoned a small Scarborough hotel yesterday to book a room for himself and his wife. The receptionist asked him whether he used to play for Yorkshire, and when he confirmed that he did was told that an ex-colleague was staying there. “His name’s Boycott”.

That, I regret, is the most interesting news I can bring you just now. Lunch will be taken early at 12.30. Yorkshire coach Jason Gillespie has expressed a view on the weather in robust Australian terms, and the groundsman reckons we have a 40% chance of play. Rain is not the only issue; it’s also very windy and as I write a steward is retrieving his hat from the roof of the refreshments hut behind the eastern terrace.

We remain jaunty.

11.20am: David Lloyd at Somerset v Surrey

The outfield is good enough for football – well, Surrey’s version of that game, anyway – and now the umpires have decided it is good enough for cricket. Or will be at 11.40, to be precise.

Good news. And only two overs have been lost from the day’s scheduled allocation of 96 so this game could still make significant progress this morning. You have to fancy, as well, that Stuart Meaker, with his express pace, will be a real handful this morning.

10.50am: David Lloyd at Somerset v Surrey

Well, after yesterday’s torrential rain it would have needed a miracle for play to start on time this morning – and we didn’t get one. But what we do have is some decent sunshine and a drying wind so all is not lost, by any means.

Umps Peter Hartley and Steve Gale have had one look and will tread the turf again at 11.15am. It is wet but where there’s a will... And both teams must want to play – Somerset to keep their admittedly slim title hopes alive and Surrey to try to clinch the win that would surely make them safe.

The visitors look better placed just now with 317 runs on the board and two Somerset wickets, including Marcus Trescothick’s, in the bank at a cost of 42 runs.

10.30am: Les Smith at Yorkshire v Gloucestershire

Jaunty as can be at North Marine Road this morning. The bad news is that there’ll be no play before lunch; the good, such as it is, is that at the top end of the ground, in front of the Tea Room, the puddles that were lying on the outfield half an hour ago have disappeared, even though it’s continued to rain heavily. Common sense says that shouldn’t happen, but then common sense also says there should be no spectators in the ground, yet there’s a handful sheltering in the Trafalgar Square Enclosure already. Chins up.

10.15am: The Rise and Shine

How many of you caught the Sky TV interview with Kevin Pietersen yesterday? Doorstepping journalism at its finest, the doostep in this case leading to the dressing rooms at Taunton. Already the Have I Got News For You research team will be sniffing around to ensure that KP's fulsome tribute to Andrew Strauss will be aired again this weekend.

That is the definition of "fulsome" as in "turning away in confused, mute, slightly hounded fashion, as if you never want to speak to the media again in your life." Not surprising really.

Would you have liked to see Andrew Strauss spend a couple of years on the county circuit at the end of his caeer or is that too much to expect for an ambitious man of 35 with other fish to fry? Is it simply impossible to retreat to county cricket after you have scaled the heights with England? And would he have just been blocking up places for younger players anyway?

Shower your opinions upon us.

With most of the attention focused on Strauss in Switch Hit this week, we have an addional county podcast this week where we all pretend that the climax to the season will not be ruined by the weather.

And we hope that Kenny Shovel will be along soon. At least his deadline is here, even if his column isn't.

I seem to be somewhat maudlin this morning. That is what comes off three swift pints of Landlord and a Thai curry at 10 o'clock at night. Time perhaps to leave it to our jaunty team of writers. They will be along shortly.

David Hopps is the UK editor of ESPNcricinfo

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  • paul on August 31, 2012, 2:20 GMT

    I strongly agree with Kartik, there's a crease at both ends of the pitch....and there's only so far you can creep down before you are brought to task.....The bowler's end ''stumping'' rule is there to ensure players don't take off half way down the pitch before the ball is even bowled.....IT can't be compared to a player WALKING off the pitch because he thinks it's tea time...and we aren't seeing players run out for have a mid pitch conference....GOOD job Kartik. ....and very decent of you to warn the batsman...earlier that he was ''overstepping the mark''

  • paul on August 31, 2012, 2:20 GMT

    I strongly agree with Kartik, there's a crease at both ends of the pitch....and there's only so far you can creep down before you are brought to task.....The bowler's end ''stumping'' rule is there to ensure players don't take off half way down the pitch before the ball is even bowled.....IT can't be compared to a player WALKING off the pitch because he thinks it's tea time...and we aren't seeing players run out for have a mid pitch conference....GOOD job Kartik. ....and very decent of you to warn the batsman...earlier that he was ''overstepping the mark''

  • paul on August 31, 2012, 2:15 GMT

    I strongly agree with Kartik, there's a crease at both ends of the pitch....and there's only so far you can creep down before you are brought to task.....The bowler's end ''stumping'' rule is there to ensure players don't take off half way down the pitch before the ball is even bowled.....IT can't be compared to a player WALKING off the pitch because he thinks it's tea time...and we aren't seeing players run out for have a mid pitch conference....GOOD job Kartik. ....and very decent of you to warn the batsman...earlier that he was ''overstepping the mark''

  • Philly on August 30, 2012, 19:26 GMT

    I'm completely supportive of Kartik.

    He warned the batsman, who continued to try to take advantage. I'm not sure when it became acceptable for batsmen to 'cheat' this way.

    It's within the letter of the law and the spirit of the game.

  • ElBeeDubya on August 30, 2012, 19:17 GMT

    The spirit of Cricket should not allow the batsmen to possibly cheat a run by getting a head start. If a shot gives batsmen plenty of time to complete a run, why do players try to leave the crease too early? Me thinks that this must have something to do with the ancient norm in county cricket where those from the upper classes preferred playing as batsmen and the lower classes were relegated to the more physically strenuous work of serving the deliveries to be hit. Any claim that giving the batsman the opportunity to cheat is in the spirit of the game is BIZARRE.

  • Mark on August 30, 2012, 18:46 GMT

    I personally think the Kartik dismissal is perfectly fine, and I am a Somerset fan. Kartik warned Barrow about backing up, then AFTER that warning, Barrow decided he would CONTINUE BACKING UP. Perfectly fair dismissal, and completely stupid from Alex Barrow. Now if Kartik had not warned the batsmen, that is the only time I would not think that a mankad is the right thing to do. Maybe batsmen around the world should stop backing up then this situation would be avoided completely. No sympathy for the batsman at all

  • Mark on August 30, 2012, 18:46 GMT

    I personally think the Kartik dismissal is perfectly fine, and I am a Somerset fan. Kartik warned Barrow about backing up, then AFTER that warning, Barrow decided he would CONTINUE BACKING UP. Perfectly fair dismissal, and completely stupid from Alex Barrow. Now if Kartik had not warned the batsmen, that is the only time I would not think that a mankad is the right thing to do. Maybe batsmen around the world should stop backing up then this situation would be avoided completely. No sympathy for the batsman at all

  • Mathew on August 30, 2012, 18:21 GMT

    I didn't want to comment to quick on this one but it seems Kartik did give Barrow a warning and if that is the case then it's fair. To be honest it's pritty stupid from Barrow if you are warned earlier in the over especially in a four day game then you make sure you are in your ground. I have been warned a couple of times myself but once you are warned there is no excuse so fair play to Batty and Kartik for not being put off making the right decision by the crowd. It's a big fuss over nothing and the batsman should be too blame.

  • Matt C on August 30, 2012, 18:18 GMT

    @ELPR - it is only as irrelevant as it is to apply something that is NOT in the Laws to this mode of run out. Even the Lord's/MCC has been on Twitter to confirm compliance with the Laws so those arguing differently are on a losing battle. If taking the argument into the realms of the spirit of cricket (which can never be legalistic, by its very nature) then there are arguments on both sides.

    @Samuel - agreed, with today being a prime example, all out for 3 runs shy of another point. If Philander were to return next season that would be fantastic, and an appropriate repayment of faith for Somerset giving him such a good opportunity to reacquaint himself with English conditions ahead of the Test series, which he out to rather excellent use! My wish list for next season would be a genuine strike quality seamer (not Kirby or Hussain), another steady batsman somewhere at 4-6, and Hildreth to become full-time captain so that Tresco can just focus on batting and staying fit!

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  • paul on August 31, 2012, 2:20 GMT

    I strongly agree with Kartik, there's a crease at both ends of the pitch....and there's only so far you can creep down before you are brought to task.....The bowler's end ''stumping'' rule is there to ensure players don't take off half way down the pitch before the ball is even bowled.....IT can't be compared to a player WALKING off the pitch because he thinks it's tea time...and we aren't seeing players run out for have a mid pitch conference....GOOD job Kartik. ....and very decent of you to warn the batsman...earlier that he was ''overstepping the mark''

  • paul on August 31, 2012, 2:20 GMT

    I strongly agree with Kartik, there's a crease at both ends of the pitch....and there's only so far you can creep down before you are brought to task.....The bowler's end ''stumping'' rule is there to ensure players don't take off half way down the pitch before the ball is even bowled.....IT can't be compared to a player WALKING off the pitch because he thinks it's tea time...and we aren't seeing players run out for have a mid pitch conference....GOOD job Kartik. ....and very decent of you to warn the batsman...earlier that he was ''overstepping the mark''

  • paul on August 31, 2012, 2:15 GMT

    I strongly agree with Kartik, there's a crease at both ends of the pitch....and there's only so far you can creep down before you are brought to task.....The bowler's end ''stumping'' rule is there to ensure players don't take off half way down the pitch before the ball is even bowled.....IT can't be compared to a player WALKING off the pitch because he thinks it's tea time...and we aren't seeing players run out for have a mid pitch conference....GOOD job Kartik. ....and very decent of you to warn the batsman...earlier that he was ''overstepping the mark''

  • Philly on August 30, 2012, 19:26 GMT

    I'm completely supportive of Kartik.

    He warned the batsman, who continued to try to take advantage. I'm not sure when it became acceptable for batsmen to 'cheat' this way.

    It's within the letter of the law and the spirit of the game.

  • ElBeeDubya on August 30, 2012, 19:17 GMT

    The spirit of Cricket should not allow the batsmen to possibly cheat a run by getting a head start. If a shot gives batsmen plenty of time to complete a run, why do players try to leave the crease too early? Me thinks that this must have something to do with the ancient norm in county cricket where those from the upper classes preferred playing as batsmen and the lower classes were relegated to the more physically strenuous work of serving the deliveries to be hit. Any claim that giving the batsman the opportunity to cheat is in the spirit of the game is BIZARRE.

  • Mark on August 30, 2012, 18:46 GMT

    I personally think the Kartik dismissal is perfectly fine, and I am a Somerset fan. Kartik warned Barrow about backing up, then AFTER that warning, Barrow decided he would CONTINUE BACKING UP. Perfectly fair dismissal, and completely stupid from Alex Barrow. Now if Kartik had not warned the batsmen, that is the only time I would not think that a mankad is the right thing to do. Maybe batsmen around the world should stop backing up then this situation would be avoided completely. No sympathy for the batsman at all

  • Mark on August 30, 2012, 18:46 GMT

    I personally think the Kartik dismissal is perfectly fine, and I am a Somerset fan. Kartik warned Barrow about backing up, then AFTER that warning, Barrow decided he would CONTINUE BACKING UP. Perfectly fair dismissal, and completely stupid from Alex Barrow. Now if Kartik had not warned the batsmen, that is the only time I would not think that a mankad is the right thing to do. Maybe batsmen around the world should stop backing up then this situation would be avoided completely. No sympathy for the batsman at all

  • Mathew on August 30, 2012, 18:21 GMT

    I didn't want to comment to quick on this one but it seems Kartik did give Barrow a warning and if that is the case then it's fair. To be honest it's pritty stupid from Barrow if you are warned earlier in the over especially in a four day game then you make sure you are in your ground. I have been warned a couple of times myself but once you are warned there is no excuse so fair play to Batty and Kartik for not being put off making the right decision by the crowd. It's a big fuss over nothing and the batsman should be too blame.

  • Matt C on August 30, 2012, 18:18 GMT

    @ELPR - it is only as irrelevant as it is to apply something that is NOT in the Laws to this mode of run out. Even the Lord's/MCC has been on Twitter to confirm compliance with the Laws so those arguing differently are on a losing battle. If taking the argument into the realms of the spirit of cricket (which can never be legalistic, by its very nature) then there are arguments on both sides.

    @Samuel - agreed, with today being a prime example, all out for 3 runs shy of another point. If Philander were to return next season that would be fantastic, and an appropriate repayment of faith for Somerset giving him such a good opportunity to reacquaint himself with English conditions ahead of the Test series, which he out to rather excellent use! My wish list for next season would be a genuine strike quality seamer (not Kirby or Hussain), another steady batsman somewhere at 4-6, and Hildreth to become full-time captain so that Tresco can just focus on batting and staying fit!

  • Bill Edmunds on August 30, 2012, 18:07 GMT

    I would have thought that Andrew Strauss would have at least seen the season out with the Country that nurtured him and gave him his chance to become a Test Cricketer. I am really impressed with Paul Collingwood returning to Durham and taking on the Captaincy. It is strange that people can play a game for years like Strauss and not enjoy the game itself.

  • salim ali on August 30, 2012, 17:51 GMT

    hi sorry i dont blame kartik for that.being a player myself even at as minor level-its something that happens alot.why not boo the batsman for trying to cheat .the poor excuse of bringing the game into disrepute.utter rubbish

  • salim ali on August 30, 2012, 17:51 GMT

    hi sorry i dont blame kartik for that.being a player myself even at as minor level-its something that happens alot.why not boo the batsman for trying to cheat .the poor excuse of bringing the game into disrepute.utter rubbish

  • William Franklin on August 30, 2012, 17:45 GMT

    Backing up out of your crease, to make it easier to get a run, could also be argued to not be in the spirit of the game could it not?

  • Alan Gardner on August 30, 2012, 17:40 GMT

    @Zenek, Ordinand Unfortunately, New Road is a game we haven't been able to staff this round ... but keep coming back and discussing Worcestershire's chances on here and we might one day be able to get a reporter at every ground.

  • Samuel on August 30, 2012, 17:36 GMT

    I personally think it's a bit of a sharp trick to be honest, especially without warning. If the batsman is backing up too far, then why doesn't the umpire step in first perhaps? It does take a mode of dismissal out of the game though, which fielding sides won't be happy about. But then again, who goes into a game expecting to Mankad people out?

    @Matt C - what's more frustrating is that in the last few games we've quite disastrously missed out on batting points, falling just short of 250 and 300 a couple of times. With the weather that's been about they could have been massively important. We need bowlers desperately - Thomas is beginning to look his age, and Trego, whilst having been superb this year, is hardly a prolific wicket taker. Hopefully we'll have Philander back for at least the start of next season and Dibble can regain fitness - if not, reach for the chequebook Mr Rose!

  • Ordinand on August 30, 2012, 17:29 GMT

    Why are there so few comments from New Road? Is it that nothing is really happening, or is it a lack of people willing to update you on what's happening?

  • ELPR on August 30, 2012, 17:17 GMT

    If we're talking about the spirit of the game, then it is gentlemanly to warn the batsman BEFORE running them out. In schoolboy cricket, they get two warnings. Gentlemanly conduct is not archaic, and I'm sorry, Matt C, but applying the situation to "other" dismissals is actually irrelevant.

    Please also note it won't just be the Somerset Members upset by this; if Trescothick and Dockrell (say) behaved in a similar fashion towards a young and inexperienced Surrey batsman - Alex Barrow is but 20 - I would be thoroughly ashamed of them and my cricket team as a result.

  • Matt C on August 30, 2012, 16:43 GMT

    ...allowed him to scrape home. I dare say your opinion would be quite different then.

    I agree that there are clearly other issues in the mix here as well, given Kartik's history, but that doesn't change the Laws.

    This season is turning into a bit of a nightmare for Somerset, though, as Samuel has pointed out we've thrown away some decent positions. Having to bring in Saj on loan to "bolster" our attack is embarrassing as well - a player who couldn't make the XI of a team looking likely to be relegated. Let's hope the Overton twins are available again soon, or that Gregory recovers fully from injury.

  • Matt C on August 30, 2012, 16:38 GMT

    Let me point out, before I get started, that I am an ardent Somerset fan...

    The "Mankad" is absolutely a fair dismissal. It is made very clear in the Laws of the game. Nowhere in the Laws does it make mention of a requirement, or even a suggestion, that a warning should be given first.

    It simply occurs due to an archaic notion of fair play, but for other modes of dismissal does it require a warning first? Of course not, and no one would suggest such a thing. For instance, should Matt Prior have warned Morne Morkel that he was at risk of wandering out of his crease when he stumped him in the Lord's Test last week?

    Consider how often a run out decision comes down to a matter of even just an inch or two, and the frustration that you feel when your team misses out on a vital run out by that margin. Then think again how you would feel if another replay showed the batsman in question pinching inches/feet/yards (some players today make no attempt to remain in the crease) that...cont

  • Father Time on August 30, 2012, 16:23 GMT

    @ Tom H and William Franklin - if, after a quiet word or warning from the bowler, a batsman was run out after excessively backing up (and we don't know how "excessive" it was in this case) then I don't think anyone would say that the batsman didn't deserve to go. However, to sneakily run out a young batsman without warning is in my view both grossly against the spirit of the game and extremely ungentlemanly behaviour.

  • Stewart on August 30, 2012, 16:13 GMT

    I would love to see William Franklin and Tom H after they had been run-out backing up. Pretty poor state of affairs to be honest.

  • Tom H on August 30, 2012, 15:58 GMT

    Sounds like there's unrest amongst the spectators at Taunton, but I have to completely agree with Mr Franklin. Whilst backing up is part of cricket, and doing so excessively has seemingly become part of the game especially with the shorter and faster formats of the game have developed, it doesn't mean it is right to do so. Backing up (therefore stealing ground) could said to be as much as a breach of the Spirit of Cricket as much as people are saying the Kartik is for running out the non-striker. Whilst the Somerset spectators/members are upset and voicing their anger over the situation, I hope we are not going to see any further action or reaction to this incident.

  • Martin P on August 30, 2012, 15:21 GMT

    @Samuel - Yes, Arul hasn't quite done it for you this year has he?

  • Samuel on August 30, 2012, 14:56 GMT

    Once again, our batting is struggling to click - since Compton's drop in form (relative to the amazing start he had of course) and his injury, we've been struggling to hammer home decent positions. 150-2 has become 240-6 - we could do with a consistent opener to go up top with Trescothick next year I think.

  • William Franklin on August 30, 2012, 14:17 GMT

    Barrow - get back in your area. A lesson for you. Why should the appeal be withdrawn no matter how much the Somerset members do not like it.

  • Zenek on August 30, 2012, 12:45 GMT

    Why no reports from New Road and one of the few (only?) matches in which something is actually happening?

  • SanjayN on August 30, 2012, 12:04 GMT

    @ Martin

    This is only going to make us more determined to do the double this year: the title and CB40. I'm already making plans for Lord's.

    Hugh Bear.

  • Martin on August 30, 2012, 11:57 GMT

    @Sanjay and Drew

    Don't be so precious, ladies. That's a mighty large chip you seem to be hauling around on your shoulders.

    Plus, of course, rain at North Marine Road is infinitely more interesting than anything that will ever happen at the home of "you Bears"!

    Noitch!

  • Drew Lilley on August 30, 2012, 11:40 GMT

    Too right SanjayN. Warwickshire secure maximum batting points and have got 71 off the last 10 overs as they maintain their stranglehold on the title, but let's report on there being no play at Yorkshire before lunch. Why are lots of the media so anti-Warks? Because Giles is a selector and you think he favours Bears? Because Dermot Reeve rubbed people up the wrong way 15 years ago? I'd love to know why...

  • Ash on August 30, 2012, 10:49 GMT

    The key reason that Strauss gave for retiring was that he no longer has the motivation. Seems to be selling county cricket rather short to suggest that a player in this situation can carry on playing for their county.

  • SanjayN on August 30, 2012, 10:37 GMT

    Perhaps, KP can hire Straussy as his new agent.

    ps: Typical of the journalists to ignore Warwickshire this morning, Edgbaston is one of the few places where there's play this morning but not a peep. They're only top of the table, you see.....

  • tweaker on August 30, 2012, 10:32 GMT

    Sometimes it is best to let bygones be bygones, but since the topic has been raised, I would say Hussain's abrupt departure from all forms of cricket was terribly unfair on Essex players and supporters. We had seen little enough of him in the year or two previous (was that about the time central contracts were introduced?) and he was clearly in good shape to score many more runs and contribute in other ways to county cricket.

  • Samuel on August 30, 2012, 9:54 GMT

    To be honest, KP couldn't win yesterday, could he? If he said something, the more hysterical areas of the Press (seemingly most of them over the past couple of weeks) would have dismissed it as a cynical attempt to regain some face and probably got angry that he dared to say anything. And then, of course, the fact he has said nothing is another stick to beat him with. Personally, I think he probably should have said something, but I can understand him keeping his mouth shut.

    Wouldn't have minded Strauss playing on for a season or so - surely Middlesex's youngsters could only have benefited from his presence. Hopefully he'll find a way to stay in the game - he'd make a cracking Head of the MCC...

  • Backwater on August 30, 2012, 9:48 GMT

    I'd have liked Straussy just to give the county circuit a season, just as a show of faith really. I know he has had some exciting moments, but that's life really. It;s not all one orgasmic moment. You get older. Get on with it. Wish he had had a farewell tour.

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  • Backwater on August 30, 2012, 9:48 GMT

    I'd have liked Straussy just to give the county circuit a season, just as a show of faith really. I know he has had some exciting moments, but that's life really. It;s not all one orgasmic moment. You get older. Get on with it. Wish he had had a farewell tour.

  • Samuel on August 30, 2012, 9:54 GMT

    To be honest, KP couldn't win yesterday, could he? If he said something, the more hysterical areas of the Press (seemingly most of them over the past couple of weeks) would have dismissed it as a cynical attempt to regain some face and probably got angry that he dared to say anything. And then, of course, the fact he has said nothing is another stick to beat him with. Personally, I think he probably should have said something, but I can understand him keeping his mouth shut.

    Wouldn't have minded Strauss playing on for a season or so - surely Middlesex's youngsters could only have benefited from his presence. Hopefully he'll find a way to stay in the game - he'd make a cracking Head of the MCC...

  • tweaker on August 30, 2012, 10:32 GMT

    Sometimes it is best to let bygones be bygones, but since the topic has been raised, I would say Hussain's abrupt departure from all forms of cricket was terribly unfair on Essex players and supporters. We had seen little enough of him in the year or two previous (was that about the time central contracts were introduced?) and he was clearly in good shape to score many more runs and contribute in other ways to county cricket.

  • SanjayN on August 30, 2012, 10:37 GMT

    Perhaps, KP can hire Straussy as his new agent.

    ps: Typical of the journalists to ignore Warwickshire this morning, Edgbaston is one of the few places where there's play this morning but not a peep. They're only top of the table, you see.....

  • Ash on August 30, 2012, 10:49 GMT

    The key reason that Strauss gave for retiring was that he no longer has the motivation. Seems to be selling county cricket rather short to suggest that a player in this situation can carry on playing for their county.

  • Drew Lilley on August 30, 2012, 11:40 GMT

    Too right SanjayN. Warwickshire secure maximum batting points and have got 71 off the last 10 overs as they maintain their stranglehold on the title, but let's report on there being no play at Yorkshire before lunch. Why are lots of the media so anti-Warks? Because Giles is a selector and you think he favours Bears? Because Dermot Reeve rubbed people up the wrong way 15 years ago? I'd love to know why...

  • Martin on August 30, 2012, 11:57 GMT

    @Sanjay and Drew

    Don't be so precious, ladies. That's a mighty large chip you seem to be hauling around on your shoulders.

    Plus, of course, rain at North Marine Road is infinitely more interesting than anything that will ever happen at the home of "you Bears"!

    Noitch!

  • SanjayN on August 30, 2012, 12:04 GMT

    @ Martin

    This is only going to make us more determined to do the double this year: the title and CB40. I'm already making plans for Lord's.

    Hugh Bear.

  • Zenek on August 30, 2012, 12:45 GMT

    Why no reports from New Road and one of the few (only?) matches in which something is actually happening?

  • William Franklin on August 30, 2012, 14:17 GMT

    Barrow - get back in your area. A lesson for you. Why should the appeal be withdrawn no matter how much the Somerset members do not like it.