England v West Indies, 2nd Test, Trent Bridge, 3rd day May 27, 2012

West Indies' good work undone in a flash

After two sessions of hard work from the bowlers West Indies ended on the verge of defeat after a batting collapse
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Kirk Edwards, the West Indies vice-captain came to Trent Bridge in the morning, reported sick, and returned to the team hotel once the doctor had diagnosed he was suffering from flu. Nobody, including Edwards himself, would have been overly concerned by his absence as everyone expected England to build a substantial lead on a flat pitch under bright and blue skies.

But the expected script does not always come to pass. The persistence of Ravi Rampaul and an explosive spell of fast bowling from Kemar Roach in the first session spoilt England's lunch and forced them back on the field much earlier than expected with a slender lead.

Facing a deficit of only 58, and with seven sessions remaining, Darren Sammy would have told his batsmen to see out the 34 overs left in the day and lay a platform. Resolute centuries from Sammy and Marlon Samuels in the first innings and comfortable knocks from England's pair of Andrew Strauss and Kevin Pietersen had made it clear that the pitch was still full of runs.

Yet to the horror of the motley crew of West Indies fans gathered in the New Stand, not to mention Sammy and Ottis Gibson in the dressing room, England's fast men broke the spine of the opposition batting effortlessly. Two wickets fell in three balls during the penultimate over of the day with Edwards the second of those. As things turned out, he had to drag himself out of his bed having received an SOS call from the team management once the West Indies openers had failed to survive even half an hour. But Edwards only lasted two deliveries and became the joke of the day.

It would be unwise to share that joke with Rampaul, who did not mask his annoyance at the end of the day, blaming his batsmen for offering such weak resistance. He was right to vent his fury and the same would have been true of his bowling colleagues Roach and Sammy, all of whom, having copped some body blows at various points in their bowling spells, had bounced back to deny England gaining the upper hand.

Even at Lord's last week, West Indies' bowlers had revealed their heart for the fight despite the failure of batsmen in the first innings. On that occasion England were 259 for 3 at stumps on the second day but were restricted to 398. Here in Nottingham, Strauss and Pietersen had put England in a dominant position by Saturday evening.

That the England juggernaut did not flatten the visitors' spirits on Sunday morning was only because Rampaul showed what a smart bowler he is. Rampaul is only deceptive because people wonder how a man of his heavy girth and round hips can even hurl the ball at 80-85 mph. A quick arm takes care of the velocity while a thinking brain helps Rampaul utilise both the new and old balls smartly. His biggest asset is he will not stop coming back at you.

Pietersen was beaten by a ball that ducked into him due to the reverse swing Rampaul managed to generate early in the morning. With his stifling wicket-to-wicket line, Rampaul continued to strangle the batsmen for runs. In the process, he also managed to build the confidence of Roach, who had returned after the horrific Saturday where he became the no-ball king.

Roach started the new day fresh. All those doubts about over-stepping seemed in the distant past (although he would bowl three later) as he came up with an aggressive first spell, which exposed the technical deficiencies of the inexperienced Jonny Bairstow.

At the other end Sammy was all perseverance despite going at four an over in his first 20-overs, which again questioned his ability to fulfil the third seamer's role. But he rallied, tempting Strauss to chase a wide delivery, and be caught at the wicket.

It was a frustrating day for West Indies; their bowlers had learned from their mistakes the previous evening, but the batsmen continued to repeat the same errors.

"It is tough watching six batsmen get out especially after the bowlers worked so hard in the first two sessions," Rampaul said. "It isn't easy to bowl 120-odd overs, to bowl out a team and then looking at your batsmen not applying themselves and losing their wickets. I don't fault any one of them. I just give them confidence and ask them to focus more; apply themselves more."

Rampaul admitted England were in control now but urged Samuels and Sammy, the two centurions for West Indies in this series, still to believe. "It is quite hard to set a target after being six down," he said. "Tomorrow our batsmen need to go out there and apply themselves. The early damage has already been done."

Nagraj Gollapudi is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • JG2704 on May 29, 2012, 22:18 GMT

    @AKS286 on (May 29 2012, 04:23 AM GMT) We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. WI have had times both vs Eng and Aus where they have been on top but not been able to stay there

  • AKS286 on May 29, 2012, 4:23 GMT

    @JG you always says WI fight bravely but the result of every fight is defeat. WI is not have the capability to even draw a series. don't be emotional but its true since 93 all out wills WC WI is still struggling. don't blame the WICB only. gayle will take retirement from test cricket so he can play the t20 tournamnt without any hurdle. when lara was in the team from last 10 yrs the result was same.WI is poor in all dept. what will happen if shivy retires. namibia progress very well namibia is a balanced team. WI is not ELIGIBLE FOR TEST CRICKET beliv me. ENG LIONS BEAT THEM in just before 4 days any comment.

  • JG2704 on May 28, 2012, 19:43 GMT

    @YorkshirePudding on (May 28 2012, 06:44 AM GMT) - re "a 5 Man attack doesnt work in the UK" - It could work , but it depends on who you have in your ranks. I agree that it has failed before but by the same token look at the balance of the 2005 Ashes winning side. I thought that worked rather well and I'd say the lower order of Prior,Bres,Broad,Swann,Anderson,Finn would be at least the equal of Flintoff,Jones,Giles,Hoggard,Jones,Harmisson.

  • JG2704 on May 28, 2012, 19:33 GMT

    @AKS286 on (May 28 2012, 04:57 AM GMT) England are ruthless on home turf these days. I still disagree re WI being undeserviing of test cricket status.They're being competitive at certain stages through all their matches. They lack consistency to win these matches at present but that could change.

  • JG2704 on May 28, 2012, 19:29 GMT

    @Warren Mendes on (May 28 2012, 02:13 AM GMT) How do you work out that Pollard would be a success? And you're absolutely right re the other names as they made a massive difference last time they toured England

  • JG2704 on May 28, 2012, 19:25 GMT

    @MrPontingToYou on (May 28 2012, 00:33 AM GMT) Bairstow is a proper batsman - but maybe not up to the job. It's certainly not nailed on that Taylor would do a better job. I think JB has been averaging higher than JT this year. I agree with the 5 man bowling attack but doubt England would do that. Probably the best choice for the SA series (barring the 5 bowlers) would be Nick Compton IMO.

  • on May 28, 2012, 16:19 GMT

    scottyg - totally agree. WI can dominate if the board ends its arrogant policies.

  • mrhamilton on May 28, 2012, 15:49 GMT

    I have been Sammy and Gibsons biggest supporter but enough is enough they need to add to the discipline, fighting spirit and pride they have shown and add some man management and reconcilliation for the greater and bring back Gayle and J Taylor back immediately at the expense of Edwards and Shillingford who should never have been seclected ahead of bishoo who himself is 2nd to the ipl based narine .all shillingford did is bowl great on his home turf. england different ballgame. Ive said all along Sammy needs to be no 6 to silence his critics so an extra bowler can be accomodated which should be narine. Samuels can move up to 3rd

  • RednWhiteArmy on May 28, 2012, 10:05 GMT

    All the England haters must be crying themselves to sleep!

  • TheLight on May 28, 2012, 10:00 GMT

    @Sean . Random is back k in the team because Baugh missed no less than 7 chances against autralia and failed miserably with the bat.

  • JG2704 on May 29, 2012, 22:18 GMT

    @AKS286 on (May 29 2012, 04:23 AM GMT) We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. WI have had times both vs Eng and Aus where they have been on top but not been able to stay there

  • AKS286 on May 29, 2012, 4:23 GMT

    @JG you always says WI fight bravely but the result of every fight is defeat. WI is not have the capability to even draw a series. don't be emotional but its true since 93 all out wills WC WI is still struggling. don't blame the WICB only. gayle will take retirement from test cricket so he can play the t20 tournamnt without any hurdle. when lara was in the team from last 10 yrs the result was same.WI is poor in all dept. what will happen if shivy retires. namibia progress very well namibia is a balanced team. WI is not ELIGIBLE FOR TEST CRICKET beliv me. ENG LIONS BEAT THEM in just before 4 days any comment.

  • JG2704 on May 28, 2012, 19:43 GMT

    @YorkshirePudding on (May 28 2012, 06:44 AM GMT) - re "a 5 Man attack doesnt work in the UK" - It could work , but it depends on who you have in your ranks. I agree that it has failed before but by the same token look at the balance of the 2005 Ashes winning side. I thought that worked rather well and I'd say the lower order of Prior,Bres,Broad,Swann,Anderson,Finn would be at least the equal of Flintoff,Jones,Giles,Hoggard,Jones,Harmisson.

  • JG2704 on May 28, 2012, 19:33 GMT

    @AKS286 on (May 28 2012, 04:57 AM GMT) England are ruthless on home turf these days. I still disagree re WI being undeserviing of test cricket status.They're being competitive at certain stages through all their matches. They lack consistency to win these matches at present but that could change.

  • JG2704 on May 28, 2012, 19:29 GMT

    @Warren Mendes on (May 28 2012, 02:13 AM GMT) How do you work out that Pollard would be a success? And you're absolutely right re the other names as they made a massive difference last time they toured England

  • JG2704 on May 28, 2012, 19:25 GMT

    @MrPontingToYou on (May 28 2012, 00:33 AM GMT) Bairstow is a proper batsman - but maybe not up to the job. It's certainly not nailed on that Taylor would do a better job. I think JB has been averaging higher than JT this year. I agree with the 5 man bowling attack but doubt England would do that. Probably the best choice for the SA series (barring the 5 bowlers) would be Nick Compton IMO.

  • on May 28, 2012, 16:19 GMT

    scottyg - totally agree. WI can dominate if the board ends its arrogant policies.

  • mrhamilton on May 28, 2012, 15:49 GMT

    I have been Sammy and Gibsons biggest supporter but enough is enough they need to add to the discipline, fighting spirit and pride they have shown and add some man management and reconcilliation for the greater and bring back Gayle and J Taylor back immediately at the expense of Edwards and Shillingford who should never have been seclected ahead of bishoo who himself is 2nd to the ipl based narine .all shillingford did is bowl great on his home turf. england different ballgame. Ive said all along Sammy needs to be no 6 to silence his critics so an extra bowler can be accomodated which should be narine. Samuels can move up to 3rd

  • RednWhiteArmy on May 28, 2012, 10:05 GMT

    All the England haters must be crying themselves to sleep!

  • TheLight on May 28, 2012, 10:00 GMT

    @Sean . Random is back k in the team because Baugh missed no less than 7 chances against autralia and failed miserably with the bat.

  • scottyg on May 28, 2012, 9:56 GMT

    The West Indies would have a decent team if they didn't have so many players lost to IPL/ County Contracts. To ensure the future of test cricket in the lower ranking test sides, they should put in a window of a month for the IPL, so test cricket can be organised in accordance. The IPL sides should be able to loan players, while other are on national duty. Imagine- the WI side would look like this: Gayle Powell Sarwan Darren Bravo Chanderpaul Samuels Dwayne Bravo Randim Narine Roach Rampaul. This eliminates the jokers that have somehow won a test cap- Barath, Brathwaite, who all wouldn't have made an Australian first class side.

  • zenboomerang on May 28, 2012, 9:43 GMT

    @YorkshirePudding... Agree with your 5 man bowling attack - its been used by Oz & SA successfully for years - Watson & Kallis... Actually Watsons (bat@37.5 / bowl@28.9) & Bresnans (bat@35.8 / bowl@26.8) stats are fairly similar... With Prior averaging @42.7 I cannot see any problems with moving him to no.6 & bringing in another bowler... Although pitches & opposition should dictate the team - the UAE & SL series come to mind where a specialist bowler could have easily changed both series...

  • MrPontingToYou on May 28, 2012, 9:42 GMT

    @ Sean Tyndall... who would you put?

  • zenboomerang on May 28, 2012, 9:40 GMT

    @tjsimonsen & others - re: Gayle... Seems many think they know how Gayle thinks without looking at the circumstances leading up to that "said" comment... I think that his "I don't care" should be taken in context to what had happened between him & the WICB... Maybe more of a sour grapes comment in "putting it up" the Board... Plus as a captain who watched team mates (friends) careers being destroyed by poor management skills - Sarwan, Taylor - Gayle probably has reasons for those sour grapes...

    Seeing that Gayle hasn't repeated this comment, it may be a case of him wishing he

    never uttered it... Could be wrong though :) ...

  • MrPontingToYou on May 28, 2012, 9:35 GMT

    @ YorkshirePudding, I would'nt be so quick to write off the idea of 5 bowlers. Twice already in this series WI recovered from unhealthy positions to score over 300, while Bairstow at 6 has been a failure so far. Despite this they still won the first test and should easily win this one. But soon SA will be there, and England can ill afford to have their number 6 failing while they find difficulty breaking partnerships against a team of that class. I think Finn should be included, Prior is good enough for 6, and Bresnan, who is more than a bowler that can bat, could slot in at 7.

  • Snick_To_Backward_Point on May 28, 2012, 8:05 GMT

    Can't believe how negative some of you Windies fans are. Yes, it's frustrating the IPL and politics are affecting your team but come on guys! There's some real positives too! For starters, Windies players seem to be playing with desire, energy and pride again. They have far more fight about them. Yes, they're making silly errors and failing to seize the initiative at crucial times BUT AT LEAST THEY ARE GETTING THEMSELVES INTO THOSE POSITIONS! For what? 10-15 years they've not even competed. So why not get behind your team? Most pundits seem to have their knives out for Sammy but I think he;s been a breath of fresh air for you. It'll come - no doubt about it, have faith.

  • Truemans_Ghost on May 28, 2012, 7:22 GMT

    Although England's score was a disappointing, reading the press today you would have thought they had been bowled out for 248 not 428 and that the Windies were in full control until this top order collapse. It is a shame Bairstow struggled- I think everyone wants him to succeed, but hopefully he'll bounce back. In general I'd love to see a five man attack with Prior at six, but if you look at England's recent matches, the bowling is working fine but the batting is havingoccassional problems. At this moment, why would you weaken the batting to strengthen the bowling?

  • on May 28, 2012, 7:16 GMT

    @nafzak - Whose wicket is worth more, Edwards' (even when well) or Sammy's? With no more than a few deliveries remaining, sending in Edwards as a nightwatchman to protect their one remaining asset was a very good move.

  • YorkshirePudding on May 28, 2012, 6:44 GMT

    @MrPontingtoyou, a 5 Man attack doesnt work in the UK, and using the 6th slot for prospective batsmen is a very good option. as you then keep a very stable top 5 who make most of the runs, and the new player has a cushion. So far I have to say Bairstow hasnt performed to expectations, so I expect to see another player tried either in the next test (Taylor/Compton) or against SA, Bairstow needs to go back to the county game for a year or two and learn how to play the fast short ball, I'd still pick him for an overseas tour as back up keeper.

  • tjsimonsen on May 28, 2012, 6:38 GMT

    @ Adam Mommsen: KP may or may not be easy to manage, I honestly don't know that. But he has never, ever been hiding his love for test cricket. If he had denounced test cricket publicly and stated that he would be happy if the format died althogether - at the eve of a series and as the side's captain at that (as Gayle did), I am 100% sure that he would have been out of the side for good. Gayle is a fantastic limited-over batsman, but IMO 'only' very good at test-level. And brining a player who evidently doesn't want to play the format, will unsettle the dressing room even more. landl47 is spot on: brining Gayle back will be looking backwards, not forward.

  • YorkshirePudding on May 28, 2012, 6:38 GMT

    I'm amazed, before this test, Shillingford was being touted as the saviour of West indies cricket on this tour, and after ONE game becuase he didnt take a hat full hes being tossed aside in favour of someone who probably wouldnt have been effective either....Sarwan has stated that he will not Play for the Windies this summer as hes commited himself to Leicestershire, Gayle could have jumped on a plane from the IPL and been in the UK this week, he could have issued a statement to the fact that he would like to be considered for selection, but hes not done that as far as I know.

  • everfaithful77 on May 28, 2012, 6:29 GMT

    Once again SAMUELS and SAMMY have to DIG REAL DEEP in order to give Windies a fighting chance. It would be really tough for them after their heroic efforts in the 1st inn and having to contribute significantly to the bowling. However don't matter what happens tomorrow it was really heartening to see the way the BOWLERS stuck to the task of dismantling this strong England batting line-up. The bowlers' DISCIPLINE and sensible FIELD PLACING were strong factors in achieving this and capt Sammy was brilliant in rallying the team. They must maintain this level of performance in order to beat the top teams like England. With the BATTING it's quite obvious that changes are needed at the top of the order. If GAYLE is available he should be selected to replace BARATH in the next test and partner POWELL who is more organized. Also K. EDWARDS should be dropped for the 3rd test after a string of low scores stretching back to the recent series against Australia and replaced by DEONARINE.

  • Meety on May 28, 2012, 5:36 GMT

    @Giovaughn Wilson - re: NZ's bowling, bear in mind that NZ had the Saffas in trouble in most of those matches. The Kiwis also performed very well against India in India recently. The bowlers are quite good & they'll have another quality SA ex-pat available to play for them. I would say NZs bating is not reliant on any one batsmen as what the WI do at the moment, (although I am expecting Bravo to unleash soon). NZ are also a very good fielding unit, I think it will be a toss of a coin.

  • Erebus26 on May 28, 2012, 5:29 GMT

    I really do not know how long the Windies selectors can persist with this opening partnership of Barath and Powell at test level. Both have obvious talent, and it's admirable that they have been given a run but the same lack of temperament and ill-discipline is being shown. A half decent opening partnership should have cashed in on this pitch. Kirk Edwards has gone backwards. I really like this lad but he's hardly had much cricket to build up his confidence after coming back from injury and it's showed.

  • AKS286 on May 28, 2012, 5:08 GMT

    @optimistic fans if k.edward was not suffering frm flu the score will be 161/0 LOL. except gayle fans have written in all column about russell, pollard, naraine, d. smith what a joke. gayle plus sarwan plus taylor what was the result earlies? Bring Irish or dutch or namibia into test send WI to ICC Intercntl.

  • AKS286 on May 28, 2012, 4:57 GMT

    @vivgilchrist ,JG & FANS I Told again and again WI IS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR TEST CRICKET. in the first innning some fans are over excited. NOW AGAIN the fans will shout WI fights bravely and the result of 12 yrs of fighting is defeat. naraine sinks KKR and Bravo sinks CSK in IPL. now again fans will shout bring gayle then again team will loose then shouts brings sarwan, russell, bravo, taylor,pollard again teal will loose then again shouts bring lara, richardson, clive llyod , hooper, haynes .WI should play ICC intercontinental matches i guarantee namibia, irish, dutch will defeat WI. WI is not capable to even draw a match.same result if play in home or outside.

  • on May 28, 2012, 4:35 GMT

    @ Iline Richards Yes West Indies is weak but New Zealand are not all that either. despite the fact that they got lucky & drew a series vs Australia they would have been pummeled by South Africa in their own backyard if it were not for rain. Also Australia struggled to beat us on their tour to the Caribbean. New Zealand's batting is just as prone to collapse as ours & @ least we have the excuse of silly people in charge not selecting our best batsmen. I dare say our bowling is also better than New Zealand's as we have decent pace bowlers who can bowl over 130 kph consistently & take wickets as well as we have @ least 4 spin bowlers of which New Zealand's batsmen know little about. In our home conditions I would be very disappointed if we did not win the series vs the Kiwis in the summer.

  • Patchmaster on May 28, 2012, 2:51 GMT

    Narine surely has to play soon.

  • on May 28, 2012, 2:13 GMT

    For God sake, let some common sense come to the WICB selectors! Edwards, Powell, Barath and Darren Bravo need to be sent home and replaced for the final test. Bring in Gayle, Dwayne Bravo, Dwayne Smith Sarwan. Or we could bring in Pollard. Also, let's dump Ramdin and get another wicketkeeper. Finally, please swap Shillingford for Narine. At least give us a chance to win the third test.

  • on May 28, 2012, 2:02 GMT

    Can anyone tell me why Dinesh Ramdin is back in the West Indies team?

  • subbass on May 28, 2012, 1:31 GMT

    "westindies will win this test"

    -----

    Then you shall be a rich man my friend as they are 40/1 to do so.

  • MattyP1979 on May 28, 2012, 0:39 GMT

    Reference everyone saying a one day bowler(Narine) instantly transforming the fortunes of a struggling team is becoming a joke. He has found success as a spin bowler in India....shock horror.

  • landl47 on May 28, 2012, 0:37 GMT

    I'm not sure I'm all that sympathetic to the WI bowlers. England has so far made 398, 193-5 and 428, which isn't exactly being rolled over. Yes, the WI batsmen haven't done as well as England, but 345 in the second innings at Lord's and 370 in the first innings here weren't dismal efforts. The fact is that England is a bit stronger in every department than the WI and over the course of a test match that shows itself in the sessions won. England's batsmen have won more sessions than the WI bowlers and England's bowlers have had breakthroughs at crucial times. WI have a young, inexperienced team and that kind of thing is going to happen as they grow together. Looking backwards and bringing in players like Gayle and Sarwan is only going to delay the time when they return to the top. Narine, on the other hand, should be in the team- he's a very promising bowler and needs the experience.

  • MrPontingToYou on May 28, 2012, 0:33 GMT

    England need to stop wasting time with the number 6 position and do one of two things, either put Prior at 6, and Bresnan at 7 to accomodate another bowler, or bring in a proper batsman like Taylor at 6. Either way please stop wasting time with the likes of Bopara, morgan and bairstow who are not test level. On another point i feel bad for K Edwards, but like i said, unless WI make a few changes they are not worthy of test status, they may compete yes, but always they will lose.

  • Baundele on May 28, 2012, 0:28 GMT

    Now that he is speaking up, I fear for Rampaul's future in this WICB team setup.

  • Sinhaya on May 28, 2012, 0:27 GMT

    My goodness! Why could n't Ramdin last another over?? Pitch does seem to show signs of wearing out but considering England's batting depth, it is all England's game now.

  • nafzak on May 27, 2012, 23:39 GMT

    Why did Sammy not come in before Edwards who was sick. No excuse, just bad management by Gibson and captaincy by Sammy.

  • on May 27, 2012, 23:24 GMT

    It is good to see that there is a player in the W.I team who has a' thinking brain'. Its only a pity it cannot be said of the captain, selectors and the coach. What is K Edwards claim to fame to propelled him into the vice captaincy? Edwards is suffering from stage fright which manifested into physical ailement and was not helped by the selectors. However, fate has done for the selectors what they could not have the brain to do for themselves - dropped Edwards and play Mohammed. Has the history of the pitch been taken into consideration in the composition of the present team? If it was then, Shillingford would not have been on the team. If only the selectors had a 'thinking brain'. How many sentimentalist believe that captain marvel can come to the rescue one more time? Does anyone really believe that this team can beat New Zealand? Its always going to be more of the same - they show improvement under Sammy.

  • on May 27, 2012, 22:37 GMT

    westindies will win this test

  • on May 27, 2012, 22:07 GMT

    Windies board is a joke, their best bowler is Narine and Best batsman in Gayle..and cant give either of them contracts ! people say Gayle is difficult ? it is about man management, i am sure KP is not easy to manage ? but they dont keep him out their team. It is about playing your best 11. It is not about who trains the hardest, cricket is about talent and eye hand co-ordination. Some of these players would not score runs in a Club match here in England they are so void of technical ability and cricketing talent!

  • jmcilhinney on May 27, 2012, 21:50 GMT

    It was said before this series that WI bowlers might trouble England but that the batting was the weak link and that has been shown to be the case. It was definitely tough for Kirk Edwards to have to come in and bat when he was obviously not well but, given his tour so far, there's no specific reason to believe that he would have done much more had he been healthy. It's hard to see his not being replaced for the third Test. Rampaul is experiencing now what England's bowlers experienced in UAE, although I'm sure that he has experienced the same before anyway. It's now up to Samuels and Sammy to again put away their attacking instincts and nut it out if they can. The pitch should still be quite good for batting so there is some hope, but it's hard to see WI putting on more than about another 150 at the absolute most, which shouldn't pose any problems for England again.

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  • jmcilhinney on May 27, 2012, 21:50 GMT

    It was said before this series that WI bowlers might trouble England but that the batting was the weak link and that has been shown to be the case. It was definitely tough for Kirk Edwards to have to come in and bat when he was obviously not well but, given his tour so far, there's no specific reason to believe that he would have done much more had he been healthy. It's hard to see his not being replaced for the third Test. Rampaul is experiencing now what England's bowlers experienced in UAE, although I'm sure that he has experienced the same before anyway. It's now up to Samuels and Sammy to again put away their attacking instincts and nut it out if they can. The pitch should still be quite good for batting so there is some hope, but it's hard to see WI putting on more than about another 150 at the absolute most, which shouldn't pose any problems for England again.

  • on May 27, 2012, 22:07 GMT

    Windies board is a joke, their best bowler is Narine and Best batsman in Gayle..and cant give either of them contracts ! people say Gayle is difficult ? it is about man management, i am sure KP is not easy to manage ? but they dont keep him out their team. It is about playing your best 11. It is not about who trains the hardest, cricket is about talent and eye hand co-ordination. Some of these players would not score runs in a Club match here in England they are so void of technical ability and cricketing talent!

  • on May 27, 2012, 22:37 GMT

    westindies will win this test

  • on May 27, 2012, 23:24 GMT

    It is good to see that there is a player in the W.I team who has a' thinking brain'. Its only a pity it cannot be said of the captain, selectors and the coach. What is K Edwards claim to fame to propelled him into the vice captaincy? Edwards is suffering from stage fright which manifested into physical ailement and was not helped by the selectors. However, fate has done for the selectors what they could not have the brain to do for themselves - dropped Edwards and play Mohammed. Has the history of the pitch been taken into consideration in the composition of the present team? If it was then, Shillingford would not have been on the team. If only the selectors had a 'thinking brain'. How many sentimentalist believe that captain marvel can come to the rescue one more time? Does anyone really believe that this team can beat New Zealand? Its always going to be more of the same - they show improvement under Sammy.

  • nafzak on May 27, 2012, 23:39 GMT

    Why did Sammy not come in before Edwards who was sick. No excuse, just bad management by Gibson and captaincy by Sammy.

  • Sinhaya on May 28, 2012, 0:27 GMT

    My goodness! Why could n't Ramdin last another over?? Pitch does seem to show signs of wearing out but considering England's batting depth, it is all England's game now.

  • Baundele on May 28, 2012, 0:28 GMT

    Now that he is speaking up, I fear for Rampaul's future in this WICB team setup.

  • MrPontingToYou on May 28, 2012, 0:33 GMT

    England need to stop wasting time with the number 6 position and do one of two things, either put Prior at 6, and Bresnan at 7 to accomodate another bowler, or bring in a proper batsman like Taylor at 6. Either way please stop wasting time with the likes of Bopara, morgan and bairstow who are not test level. On another point i feel bad for K Edwards, but like i said, unless WI make a few changes they are not worthy of test status, they may compete yes, but always they will lose.

  • landl47 on May 28, 2012, 0:37 GMT

    I'm not sure I'm all that sympathetic to the WI bowlers. England has so far made 398, 193-5 and 428, which isn't exactly being rolled over. Yes, the WI batsmen haven't done as well as England, but 345 in the second innings at Lord's and 370 in the first innings here weren't dismal efforts. The fact is that England is a bit stronger in every department than the WI and over the course of a test match that shows itself in the sessions won. England's batsmen have won more sessions than the WI bowlers and England's bowlers have had breakthroughs at crucial times. WI have a young, inexperienced team and that kind of thing is going to happen as they grow together. Looking backwards and bringing in players like Gayle and Sarwan is only going to delay the time when they return to the top. Narine, on the other hand, should be in the team- he's a very promising bowler and needs the experience.

  • MattyP1979 on May 28, 2012, 0:39 GMT

    Reference everyone saying a one day bowler(Narine) instantly transforming the fortunes of a struggling team is becoming a joke. He has found success as a spin bowler in India....shock horror.