England news January 31, 2014

Flower's England tenure over

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Andy Flower, one of the most successful coaches in England's history, is to leave his position as team director after five years in the job. England suffered a 5-0 whitewashing in Australia earlier this month, losing the Ashes in humiliating fashion, and Flower has now become the chief casualty.

The ECB, in a formal announcement released several hours after the story first broke in the Telegraph, said that Flower had informed the board of his desire to stand down. He will stay on as a selector in the short term and consider taking up an alternative role, most likely at the National Performance Centre in Loughborough, with the ECB keen to retain his services.

Having said in the aftermath of the Test series that he wanted to continue in the role and oversee England's rebuilding, Flower has seemingly given in to a change of heart. In confirming his departure, Flower said he had reached the conclusion that the team director should have responsibility across all formats, a challenge he felt was beyond him.

Paul Downton, England's new managing director, said he was "very disappointed" by Flower's decision. As the defeats in Australia piled up, Flower had received emphatic expressions of support from both the ECB chairman, Giles Clarke, who pronounced that he would be in charge beyond the 2015 World Cup, and chief executive, David Collier, who insisted that England needed stability.

Suggestions that Flower had been forced to stand down were denied by the ECB. Downton, who officially begins in the job on February 1, has been conducting a review of England's disastrous tour, which got worse with defeat in the T20 series, and met with Flower on Thursday.

Downton said: "We respect his decision and the reasons for it but we are keen to keep Andy's experience and outstanding knowledge within the ECB. We are at advanced stages of negotiating a role for Andy within the ECB structure which will best utilise his undoubted skills."

Flower, who took over in 2009, deserves to be recognised as one of England's most successful coaches, even if events in Australia suggested that his natural shelf life was coming to an end. He oversaw England's rise to the No. 1 ranking in all three formats, winning three consecutive Ashes series and the World Twenty20 during his time in charge.

The limited-overs coach, Ashley Giles, is currently in charge of the team and England do not play a Test series until June. The ECB will advertise the job externally but Giles would likely be a frontrunner and he is scheduled to give a press conference on Saturday morning, Australia time. If another candidate were to be appointed, a reunification of the Test and limited-overs coaching roles would threaten Giles' current position.

Reports of a rift with Kevin Pietersen - Flower denied having made an ultimatum about Pietersen's involvement in the team but pointedly did not give the player his backing - had clouded the end of a stormy tour of Australia, during which England's senior players collectively failed to live up to their billing. After the defeat in Melbourne, ESPNcricinfo's George Dobell wrote that Flower's time was up and that it was "highly likely that, sometime over the next few days or weeks... Flower will take the decision to resign".

However, Collier insisted in January, ahead of the fifth Test, that Flower retained the backing of the ECB until 2015.

Flower returned to England after the Ashes and discussions about the way forward with Downton and Alastair Cook, the Test and one-day captain, had been expected to stretch well into February. Instead, Downton will begin the process of identifying Flower's successor.

Should Flower move to the national academy, he would remain in a senior position and exert considerable influence over England's future success. He relinquished control of England's limited-overs teams at the start of 2013, due to the considerable demands of touring, and a full-time role in the UK would enable Flower to spend more time with his young family.

As in 2006-07, a 5-0 Test defeat in Australia has precipitated a change in head coach. Flower, like Duncan Fletcher before him, ends on the lowest of notes but his reign will be remembered as a period of great success. Taking over from Peter Moores, after a damaging internal dispute that also cost Pietersen the captaincy, Flower improved England's fortunes in all three formats.

Flower's England began by winning the 2009 Ashes, then secured a first global limited-overs trophy in the Caribbean, at the 2010 World T20. An historic 3-1 win in Australia - England's first Ashes triumph away from home in 24 years - followed, as Flower and the captain, Andrew Strauss, developed a highly efficient, widely admired partnership. The 4-0 whitewashing of India at home in 2011 took England to No. 1 in the Test rankings, though the next two years produced more fitful success as a slow decay set in.

Defeat against South Africa at home presaged the loss of the top ranking and Strauss' retirement but, in Cook's first series as permanent Test captain, England won in India for the first time since 1984-85. A 3-0 victory over Australia last summer gave England their third consecutive Ashes, a feat not achieved in more than 30 years, but they held the urn for only a few months longer, eviscerated by Australia on a debilitating tour.

Flower's intense, meticulous nature was seen as a strength that became a weakness as England were accused of being increasingly data driven; questions were also asked about the team's relish for the challenge and continued ability to think on their feet.

England's schedule over the next few months consists of short-form cricket, firstly in the West Indies and then at the World T20 in Bangladesh, before Test series against Sri Lanka and India. With changes expected in the playing staff - three debutants were fielded in Sydney - these will be interesting times.

Alan Gardner is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo. He tweets here

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  • jb633 on January 31, 2014, 16:54 GMT

    Excellent news in my opionion. Flower has done a good job with this side and we should be thankful for that. However we had to change as this series has been humiliating and very very telling. It was obvious to me that we were sliding down as a side since beating India at home in 2011. Whilst people may say we only did well against whoever we beat an Aus side in Oz with Hussey, Clarke, Haddin, Mitch Ponting etc and an Indian side with Dravid, Sachin and Laxman. Talking about test cricket the problems we have had on this tour go nad in hand with a) our approach to the game since 2011 and b) the decay (not ageing) of some good cricketers. I do not think exhaustion is an excuse. The bowling in the tests was not too bad but they were time and again let down by the batsmen. With the batting there has been no tempo in the innings for 3 years. Crawling around 2 rpo is asking for trouble against good bowlers. We must play with a degree of risk if we are ever to get back up there.

  • H_Z_O on February 2, 2014, 12:17 GMT

    Just seen Gillespie's ruled himself out. There goes that then.

    So we're left with either Giles (looking worryingly likely) or throwing a pile of cash at Gary Kirsten until he can't say no. Despite the money the ECB has, I doubt he's going to leave South Africa when they've got a really juicy series against Australia coming up. He is South African, after all, and if he were to leave now there'd be a really good chance the Aussies might steamroller them. As it is I reckon that'll be an incredibly close series although I do think the Saffers should have enough to come out on top (mainly in the batting department; the two bowling attacks are very close in quality, imho).

  • H_Z_O on February 2, 2014, 9:14 GMT

    (Contd.)

    As for Flower, I'd like to see him in a non-Coaching role, some sort of executive role is a good shout. He's clearly a smart guy who can offer some insight to the ECB, but I think his style of Coaching is ill-suited to the current team. He's an excellent Coach for a bunch of top quality cricketers at the peak of their powers. Which he had for much of his reign. But what we've got now is nothing of the sort, and I'm not sure his approach will work with this group of players.

    The "senior" players are declining. And the young players coming through have regressed and gone backwards the longer they've been under this Coaching setup. If Stokes is the one bright spark of this series I'm glad this coaching setup won't get the chance to ruin him too.

    We need a fresh start. I still think Gillespie's the man for the job but I suspect we'll be stuck with Giles. Hopefully he does a better job with Tests than he's done with one dayers.

  • H_Z_O on February 2, 2014, 8:55 GMT

    @JG2704 on (February 1, 2014, 19:52 GMT)

    UAE was brushed under the carpet despite forming part of what we can now see is a clear pattern. In 2005 we were excellent against a genuinely great Australian side but immediately afterwards got pummelled by (funnily enough) Pakistan, and then had the 5-0 in Australia.

    In 2011 we annihilated India. That's the last time I think we truly performed as a unit. The innings and 242 run victory at Edgbaston was as comprehensive a victory as I've ever seen, even in light of this dreadful Ashes tour. There was a legitimate reason to believe we were the best side in the world; we were playing like it.

    Then came the UAE. Whitewashed. Sri Lanka was another example of our problem with the first Test on tour, and had it been a 3 match series I suspect we'd have won it.

    South Africa was a perfect example of England's lack of a plan B against a top class batting unit.

    It wasn't hard to see what went wrong in each series and yet nothing changed.

    (Contd.)

  • JG2704 on February 1, 2014, 19:52 GMT

    @HZO - Indeed the 3 sub par performances of 2012 in UAE and SL and at home vs SA were all under Strauss's captaincy. I really believe both guys were more on field supervisors for Flower. I like Flower alot as a bloke but if he is working for the ECB it needs to be well away from the team and manager iteslf. The whole thing needs freshening up - new ideas,no baggage etc

  • H_Z_O on February 1, 2014, 14:13 GMT

    @JG2704 on (February 1, 2014, 10:25 GMT) I wouldn't say the door should revolve more,but I do think it shouldn't be shut either. I think that's the real problem.

    Certain players are immune from being dropped, while other players have almost no chance of being selected no matter how well they do in domestic cricket (Nick Compton, Graham Onions etc). It's not that we need to drop all the players or make wholesale changes every match, but the threat of losing your place has to be there to keep players on their toes (and it's not).

    More importantly, we've made absolutely no effort to blood players until we've had to. It's far easier for a new player to come into a winning side than a losing one yet how often when we were doing well did we make an effort to bring in youngsters?

    I also agree that it's too simplistic to blame Cook's captaincy. The signs were there under Strauss, we just buried our heads in the sand. We papered over the cracks but eventually we ran out of paper.

  • ZCFOutkast on February 1, 2014, 12:53 GMT

    Is that the same @Brian Murphy, former Zimbabwe reserve cricketer and accidental captain? Mediocre English players? If you're the same Brian Murphy, then you weren't of a leggie yourself you know. Worse than mediocre actually. This isn't the English football team you know - so Cook, Broad, Jimmy, Swann&Bell mediocre? Any County/Club side turn you down? At least we agree on one thing gutter press. But it does serve its purpose now and then doesn't it. Feeds all you guys out there all the drivel about us out here in Africa.

  • Front-Foot_lunge on February 1, 2014, 11:30 GMT

    As an England fan, I feel the humiliation meted out by Australia during this tour, will be complete if they appoint an Australian to the position of coach of the English cricket team. I know fans and the media crowed about our brief time in the sun, but now winter is here, this is a good hard reality check to the hubris of fans and the english media pack.

  • on February 1, 2014, 11:05 GMT

    Garry Kirsten. In my vision, please do not entertain any "friendly" invites from ECB at this stage. I do not mean that England have run short of Heroes of your calibre. Enjoy the best weather, home love and Boerewors braais "my broer". I just have a feeling that you could be approached. Undoubtedly they would prefer that you raise them above us as you did miracles before, making India and South Africa alike to be No.1. You fought against your beloved Country and celebrated their defeat before when India won. Don't do it again you naughty boy! Highly motivated and formidable Aussies are knocking at our doors coming to play us this February 2014 month and trying to snatch our aspired and honoured No.1 test match ranking in the whole big World and to make us another whitewashed England at home!Do not allow that boy. Leave with this as your daily homework preparation until we thoroughly punish Aussies also as an avenge for England.

  • Madpashcrickers on February 1, 2014, 11:05 GMT

    Most sports and none more so than cricket are primarily played with instinct, desire and will to win - not by metrics and methodologies.

    Owing to some notable successes for the current group of players, it seems to me that the England management headed by Flower had fallen victim to the classic leadership self-delusion that the success was all down to their own work, whether on the tactical side, the coaching side or the selection side, and therefore the recipe for further success was more and more management intervention.

    This appears to have gradually fossilised the England team into a numbed and supine state, and now the Aussies have come along and shattered the fossil beast.

    There is a place for calm and methodical cricket management but that is more in the organisational aspects of tours and facilities rather than the playing side.

  • jb633 on January 31, 2014, 16:54 GMT

    Excellent news in my opionion. Flower has done a good job with this side and we should be thankful for that. However we had to change as this series has been humiliating and very very telling. It was obvious to me that we were sliding down as a side since beating India at home in 2011. Whilst people may say we only did well against whoever we beat an Aus side in Oz with Hussey, Clarke, Haddin, Mitch Ponting etc and an Indian side with Dravid, Sachin and Laxman. Talking about test cricket the problems we have had on this tour go nad in hand with a) our approach to the game since 2011 and b) the decay (not ageing) of some good cricketers. I do not think exhaustion is an excuse. The bowling in the tests was not too bad but they were time and again let down by the batsmen. With the batting there has been no tempo in the innings for 3 years. Crawling around 2 rpo is asking for trouble against good bowlers. We must play with a degree of risk if we are ever to get back up there.

  • H_Z_O on February 2, 2014, 12:17 GMT

    Just seen Gillespie's ruled himself out. There goes that then.

    So we're left with either Giles (looking worryingly likely) or throwing a pile of cash at Gary Kirsten until he can't say no. Despite the money the ECB has, I doubt he's going to leave South Africa when they've got a really juicy series against Australia coming up. He is South African, after all, and if he were to leave now there'd be a really good chance the Aussies might steamroller them. As it is I reckon that'll be an incredibly close series although I do think the Saffers should have enough to come out on top (mainly in the batting department; the two bowling attacks are very close in quality, imho).

  • H_Z_O on February 2, 2014, 9:14 GMT

    (Contd.)

    As for Flower, I'd like to see him in a non-Coaching role, some sort of executive role is a good shout. He's clearly a smart guy who can offer some insight to the ECB, but I think his style of Coaching is ill-suited to the current team. He's an excellent Coach for a bunch of top quality cricketers at the peak of their powers. Which he had for much of his reign. But what we've got now is nothing of the sort, and I'm not sure his approach will work with this group of players.

    The "senior" players are declining. And the young players coming through have regressed and gone backwards the longer they've been under this Coaching setup. If Stokes is the one bright spark of this series I'm glad this coaching setup won't get the chance to ruin him too.

    We need a fresh start. I still think Gillespie's the man for the job but I suspect we'll be stuck with Giles. Hopefully he does a better job with Tests than he's done with one dayers.

  • H_Z_O on February 2, 2014, 8:55 GMT

    @JG2704 on (February 1, 2014, 19:52 GMT)

    UAE was brushed under the carpet despite forming part of what we can now see is a clear pattern. In 2005 we were excellent against a genuinely great Australian side but immediately afterwards got pummelled by (funnily enough) Pakistan, and then had the 5-0 in Australia.

    In 2011 we annihilated India. That's the last time I think we truly performed as a unit. The innings and 242 run victory at Edgbaston was as comprehensive a victory as I've ever seen, even in light of this dreadful Ashes tour. There was a legitimate reason to believe we were the best side in the world; we were playing like it.

    Then came the UAE. Whitewashed. Sri Lanka was another example of our problem with the first Test on tour, and had it been a 3 match series I suspect we'd have won it.

    South Africa was a perfect example of England's lack of a plan B against a top class batting unit.

    It wasn't hard to see what went wrong in each series and yet nothing changed.

    (Contd.)

  • JG2704 on February 1, 2014, 19:52 GMT

    @HZO - Indeed the 3 sub par performances of 2012 in UAE and SL and at home vs SA were all under Strauss's captaincy. I really believe both guys were more on field supervisors for Flower. I like Flower alot as a bloke but if he is working for the ECB it needs to be well away from the team and manager iteslf. The whole thing needs freshening up - new ideas,no baggage etc

  • H_Z_O on February 1, 2014, 14:13 GMT

    @JG2704 on (February 1, 2014, 10:25 GMT) I wouldn't say the door should revolve more,but I do think it shouldn't be shut either. I think that's the real problem.

    Certain players are immune from being dropped, while other players have almost no chance of being selected no matter how well they do in domestic cricket (Nick Compton, Graham Onions etc). It's not that we need to drop all the players or make wholesale changes every match, but the threat of losing your place has to be there to keep players on their toes (and it's not).

    More importantly, we've made absolutely no effort to blood players until we've had to. It's far easier for a new player to come into a winning side than a losing one yet how often when we were doing well did we make an effort to bring in youngsters?

    I also agree that it's too simplistic to blame Cook's captaincy. The signs were there under Strauss, we just buried our heads in the sand. We papered over the cracks but eventually we ran out of paper.

  • ZCFOutkast on February 1, 2014, 12:53 GMT

    Is that the same @Brian Murphy, former Zimbabwe reserve cricketer and accidental captain? Mediocre English players? If you're the same Brian Murphy, then you weren't of a leggie yourself you know. Worse than mediocre actually. This isn't the English football team you know - so Cook, Broad, Jimmy, Swann&Bell mediocre? Any County/Club side turn you down? At least we agree on one thing gutter press. But it does serve its purpose now and then doesn't it. Feeds all you guys out there all the drivel about us out here in Africa.

  • Front-Foot_lunge on February 1, 2014, 11:30 GMT

    As an England fan, I feel the humiliation meted out by Australia during this tour, will be complete if they appoint an Australian to the position of coach of the English cricket team. I know fans and the media crowed about our brief time in the sun, but now winter is here, this is a good hard reality check to the hubris of fans and the english media pack.

  • on February 1, 2014, 11:05 GMT

    Garry Kirsten. In my vision, please do not entertain any "friendly" invites from ECB at this stage. I do not mean that England have run short of Heroes of your calibre. Enjoy the best weather, home love and Boerewors braais "my broer". I just have a feeling that you could be approached. Undoubtedly they would prefer that you raise them above us as you did miracles before, making India and South Africa alike to be No.1. You fought against your beloved Country and celebrated their defeat before when India won. Don't do it again you naughty boy! Highly motivated and formidable Aussies are knocking at our doors coming to play us this February 2014 month and trying to snatch our aspired and honoured No.1 test match ranking in the whole big World and to make us another whitewashed England at home!Do not allow that boy. Leave with this as your daily homework preparation until we thoroughly punish Aussies also as an avenge for England.

  • Madpashcrickers on February 1, 2014, 11:05 GMT

    Most sports and none more so than cricket are primarily played with instinct, desire and will to win - not by metrics and methodologies.

    Owing to some notable successes for the current group of players, it seems to me that the England management headed by Flower had fallen victim to the classic leadership self-delusion that the success was all down to their own work, whether on the tactical side, the coaching side or the selection side, and therefore the recipe for further success was more and more management intervention.

    This appears to have gradually fossilised the England team into a numbed and supine state, and now the Aussies have come along and shattered the fossil beast.

    There is a place for calm and methodical cricket management but that is more in the organisational aspects of tours and facilities rather than the playing side.

  • on February 1, 2014, 10:58 GMT

    Please not long Tom Moody. I remember him taking over at Worcestershire in the early 2000's and presiding over a disastrous period where selections were bizarre, no new players came through, they were relegated to div 2 and never got past the group stage in the knock out cups...then he left.... Somehow being talked of a success. His reputation seems to be excellent despite his results both nationally and internationally being really poor. Seems people just like the bloke and that's not a reason to hire him.

  • Madpashcrickers on February 1, 2014, 10:44 GMT

    Most sports and none more so than cricket are primarily played with instinct, desire and will to win - not by metrics and methodologies.

    Owing to some notable successes for the current group of players, it seems to me that the England management headed by Flower had fallen victim to the classic leadership self-delusion that the success was all down to their own work, whether on the tactical side, the coaching side or the selection side, and therefore the recipe for further success was more and more management intervention.

    This appears to have gradually fossilised the England team into a numbed and supine state, and now the Aussies have come along and shattered the fossil beast.

    There is a place for calm and methodical cricket management but that is more in the organisational aspects of tours and facilities rather than the playing side.

  • JG2704 on February 1, 2014, 10:25 GMT

    @H_Z_O on (February 1, 2014, 9:50 GMT) I still think it needs to be slightly more revolving (the door). It's a tough ask - whoever comes in. Swann is a huge loss - we have no one anywhere near his quality to replace him right now. Obviously he was a late bloomer so there could be someone out there whose game develops.

    @Paul Herring on (February 1, 2014, 9:56 GMT) To be fair , there were plenty of comms about Cook's captaincy throughout the Ashes , but as I've said before on these boards - do you see Cook as his own man as a captain because I see him as a Flower on field supervisor ? I don't see too much different from Cook's captaincy to Strauss's. Both are good man managers but both err big on the side of caution. Difference was that Strauss had all his top men firirng and the plans Flower put in place were then working. Even before Cook took the reins we lost 3-0 in UAE , drew in SL and lost 2-0 at home to SA. All 3 were below par results and all 3 were under Strauss

  • MarkTaffin on February 1, 2014, 10:07 GMT

    For all the reasons stated, it was time for Flower to go. He was totally out of ideas, completely reactive, became far too dictatorial. So why would anyone want hms to work at the national academy? His ability to identify new players has become more obviously a weakness in recent times; indeed who has he brought in since 2009 with any success other than Trott? Could the academy job be merely an ECB sinecure, a nice salary to prevent the warts-and-all behind the scenes book once he's out of contract????

  • on February 1, 2014, 10:02 GMT

    Giles? Hardly a record of success to boast of. After England's performances at the shorter games I might have expected him to go as well. Gooch and Saker have achieved nothing.

    Sorry to see the end of Flower's tenure - he did a lot of good but ran out of ideas and saw many players slump in form. Poor team selections did not help and someone needs to be held responsible for not understanding the condition in which Trott and Swann were before the tour started. That is certainly down to Flower as are the selection of Panesar, Finn, Tremlett and Rankin.

  • on February 1, 2014, 9:56 GMT

    Lots of reasons given here for Australia's strong win over England in all three facets of cricket. None has acknowledged what I've said several times in this forum: Cook's captaincy was passive, reactive and generally stodgy, far too conservative. Such is acceptable after one loss, but to continue with containment rather than winkling Australia out and then and not learn from what his opposite number was doing to win matches means Cook failed miserably as captain. More than anyone, he bears responsibility for this dismal Ashes series (from Eng;land's point of view).

  • H_Z_O on February 1, 2014, 9:50 GMT

    @JG2704 on (February 1, 2014, 9:34 GMT) RE: the Central Contracts, I couldn't agree more. Returning to the "revolving door" policy of the 90s would be, quite possibly, the worst thing we could do.

    If anything, I think some of England's struggles come down to a slight return to that. Compton dropped after just two poor performances and ignored completely, for example. Onions left out because he had a couple of poor *tour* games, even though he out-bowled both Bresnan and Finn in his last *Test* match for England.

    Dropping players nilly-willy will do us no good. The last two tests where we made substantial changes, at The Oval and the SCG, how well did those debutants fare?

    Exactly.

    Not saying they're bad players, or should be discarded, just saying that we need to recognise that new players need experience around them. Heck, Australia did just that. They went too far down the "youth" road, but then they realised they needed experience, and now the "blend" looks right.

  • BailsRgo on February 1, 2014, 9:49 GMT

    So, 24 hours on and no definitive word from the ECB. Just how long does it take to provide a formal announcement of what is going on? Firstly, we hear Flower has been sacked - then it's 'he's left his position' - and now it's 'he took the decision to leave'. Whilst it would be pleasing for the ECB for Flower to resign to circumnavigate financial costs in 'ending' his contract this is just to crazy for words - actually epitomising the Ashes debacle all round.

    We know the ECB are more concerned about their 'finances' than they are about the cricket. When one impacts upon the other it is a serious matter. But there is something highly unsatisfactory about what is happening now and the ECB seem blissfully unaware of just how stupid (again) they look! Is there anyone there who can 'man up' and take responsibility for this shambles?

    incredibly, the England cricket team still have one match of this wretched tour to complet and to dat Trott, Swann, Finn and now Flower have all departed! So??

  • JG2704 on February 1, 2014, 9:45 GMT

    Flower's main weakness was lack of adaptability.His plans/strategies were a big part of Eng getting to number 1 but his reluctance to change were also a big part of our decline. I'd like to see someone from outside the current set up come in. Tom Moody's name has been mentioned by several on here and that doesn't seem a bad shout. Is Ian Harvey a qualified coach. He's another guy who speaks alot of sense and I wonder if he could come in and do a job in the shorter formats. He was immense for Gloucs. Whoever comes in has a tough ask as there is still the expectancy in the media but he is starting off without 2 of the most consistent England performers from the last 4 or 5 years in Swann and Trott. KP could be nearing the end and Bell and Cook seem to have one brilliant series followed by several mediocre series. Prior and Jimmy could also be nearer to the end than we would have thought a year ago.Always said Swann would be the hardest to replace and now here's the grim reality.

  • H_Z_O on February 1, 2014, 9:37 GMT

    @DickCam on (February 1, 2014, 7:00 GMT) Don't think too many people (the likes of Front-Foot-Lunge aside) dispute that Australia were comfortably the better side.

    You'd have to be blind to deny that.

    The question is how did England go from winning a series 3-0 (and while the series as a whole was close, it's funny how quickly the Lord's mauling has been forgotten in the wake of Australia's dominance at home) to losing the return 5-0?

    While obviously Australia's improvement had a lot to do with that, that might be an acceptable explanation had England lost by 2 or 3 Tests. Losing 5, in the manner it happened (the batsmen looked beaten before they even got out there) must cause questions about whether England performed as well as they can.

    The planning was poor. Odd selections, odd omissions, inadequate preparation, the team's inability to change strategy when plan A wasn't working...there was a lot we got wrong and need to fix.

    None of that takes away from Australia's performance.

  • JG2704 on February 1, 2014, 9:34 GMT

    @jb633 on (January 31, 2014, 16:59 GMT) Moody came across extremely well as a pundit on Sky this summer. I too would prefer someone fresh in as opposed to someone who will basically just recycle Flower's methods - that would seem pointless to me

    @David Allen on (January 31, 2014, 18:39 GMT) The CC thing certainly has it's flipside.

    @CodandChips on (January 31, 2014, 21:17 GMT) Think it's Geoff Cook. Has done an amazing job at Durham but I think he had some illness last year and (I might be wrong) but I think it was heart related so I'd say that was a non starter

  • 11_Warrior on February 1, 2014, 9:19 GMT

    I am thinking if I take out last four month from Flower's tenure, how will I rate him as coach? They defeated Australia in Australia last time they visited. They defeated India in India. I am an Indian and I believe that with the same yard stick BCCI should have sack Duncan Fletcher and Dhoni long back.

  • DickCam on February 1, 2014, 7:00 GMT

    Pop! The bubble has burst. It's a beautiful thing. You wonder if England will ever be able to admit that they were just beaten by a better team.

  • Micky.Panda on February 1, 2014, 6:34 GMT

    @jb633 You are not right to say the England bowling was not too bad. Swan was right when he said he didn't have it anymore. He was cannon fodder. Anderson also did not have it in Australian conditions. Stokes did quite well and Broad was acceptable. Wrong team selection for Australian conditions. The England batting was not that far behind Australia batting which was very frail. Without Haddin, Australia would look weak. Bell did not rescue England this time. KP never given an over. Monty hardly.

    England's attrition type of play had get them found a against a strong opponent eventually. Champion teams have never played that way. SA has underperformed in the past though being too conservative.

    Two key factors in England's hiding. Australian bowling unit vastly better than England in the local conditions. England's stagnant attritional play. Australia get on with it.

    I really think England struggle with a Kookaburra ball that has less swing (doesn't have a sticky side either).

  • vrn59 on February 1, 2014, 2:42 GMT

    Looks like this is the best decision for the team. Andy Flower was a phenomenal part of England's set-up for a long time, and was one of the chief reasons for England's recent successes. The feeling after the Ashes loss in 2013-14 was that the team environment needed a change, and Flower is an unfortunate casualty of that. He must be credited as England's best ever coach and thanked for his contributions to English cricket.

  • on February 1, 2014, 0:17 GMT

    Potentially a good decision but not if the job to Giles who seems obsessed with Warwickshire players. England need to get rid of the post of batting coach. Find Goochie something else to do. Our batsman appear burdened by team tactics which is not an appropriate way forward for Test cricket. Batsmen shouldn't go out with a plan for Test cricket - that's for ODIs and T20. Whatever happened to simply playing every ball on its merits? 5 days is plenty enough time for that approach. Test batsmen do not require a batting coach! And Front Foot - you say England should sack the Chairman of selectors? Er....the hugely successful Geoff Miller resigned just before the Ashes in favour of James Whittaker. Tough times ahead - particularly in the spin department if Monty can't find his best (and I do mean best) form.

  • Moppa on January 31, 2014, 23:37 GMT

    The first step to resolving any problem is admitting you have a problem, and Flower's resignation is therefore a positive step for England. They have enough good players to bounce back quite quickly, but need a fresh approach and new energy. Dare I say it, a Lehmann-esque breath of fresh air. This is not to say that the Ashes debacle is all Flower's fault, just that the team reached a juncture where it could no longer sustain the all-intensity all-effort approach and must now go back to basics and enjoy the game again (yep, that is Lehmann-esque too). Agree with those saying that Giles is not the man. In fact, he's the antithesis of the man. Both Gillespie and Moody (put forward by HZO and jb633 respectively) seem reasonable suggestions. Of those two, I'd pick Moody. And I'm sure there would be other (non Australian) candidates. As an Australian fan, I'm mildly disappointed that England have probably now reached rock bottom and are on their way back, but this is good for world cricket.

  • bigwonder on January 31, 2014, 23:35 GMT

    Glad too see his back. I can never forget the scene where flower and Strauss walked into Indian dressing room to talk to Dhoni about recalling one of the England's batsmen. Never in the history have I witnessed a coach and captain steep to such a low. I am over-joyed to see this over-rated coach go. Long live cricket.

    Cricinfo, please publish.

  • dunger.bob on January 31, 2014, 23:31 GMT

    Did he jump or was he pushed? Not that it matters I suppose since the result is the same. For what it's worth I think he was a goner from the moment the boys on the board trumpeted their unequivocal support for him in early January. A bulls-eye was painted on his forehead right there and then.

    As far as replacements are concerned, I believe Mickey Arthur is looking for a gig. Here's one for you. Kerry O'Keefe. Kerry will do absolutely anything for a few bucks and even more for some laughs. Give him a year or so and England will definitely be the funniest team on the circuit.

  • Robster1 on January 31, 2014, 23:27 GMT

    Thank goodness Flower has gone - decent man, but not an inspirational, uplifting leader. New Zealand home and away confirmed the turgidness of the current England squad. Time for a fresh face and new, young players too. Not at all sure that Giles id the right man, merely the next cab off the rank. And worrying too that Downton was "very disappointed" by Flower's departure - how out of touch is he?

  • on January 31, 2014, 23:21 GMT

    I know it's a long shot but would love to see either Tom Moody or Graham Ford take the role. Moody did wonders with SL which Ford followed up in the last 2+ years. Though Ford moved to Surrey so he could have an off season with his family, compared to the heavy touring schedule of international cricket.

  • N00dles on January 31, 2014, 23:17 GMT

    People here are pretty quick to be unforgiving. It is an enigma that Flower could get this team believing in itself to accomplish amazing things to where it is now post Australia. Ian Bell was seeing the ball like a watermelon in England but went missing in Australia. Anderson likewise was brilliant but could do nothing in Australia near his own standards. Haddin and Johnson were both considered earlier in the year in the same gloom like a lot of you now see Bell and Anderson but they stepped up in Australia and without them Australia would have struggled to get anywhere near the same results without those two. There isn't that much daylight between both teams if you compare both summers and hypothesise if the above 4 were different.

    It seemed to me that the whole setup didn't plan laterally enough to maintain their players belief in themselves after Trott's leaving destroyed any batting order plans they took with them on the plane. All that is needed is fresh air at the top!

  • on January 31, 2014, 23:17 GMT

    The Australians seem to have cottoned on to the Flower format, which he seemed unable to adapt. Finn's problems really should have been ironed out by now too - it's more the mind set than the physical skills. Next? Gary Kirsten, perhaps? Not Tom Moody - unless his man mangement skills have improved a lot since his time at Worcs.

  • on January 31, 2014, 22:37 GMT

    After losing in all three formats in Aus Flowers position was untenable. How can such high ranking team fail so miserably? Therefore flower did the right thing by resigning. Let somebody else with fresh ideas come in and do his magic on England just like he did 5 years ago. I personally feel the bad team selection was root cause of England's demise down under followed by lack of preparation and game plan!

  • CodandChips on January 31, 2014, 21:30 GMT

    Finally, Cook and Bell to rebuild test team. Joint captaincy anyone?

    Morgan to lead white ball sides. Doesn't play test cricket, so has less schedule burden. Is automatic selection. Tactically sound. Strong leader.

    Test team for SriLanka at home:1.Cook 2.Root 3.Bell 4.Taylor (Ballance) 5.Ali 6.stokes/woakes/Borthwick 7.Davies 8.Broad 9.Jordan 10.Anderson (Onions) 11.Kerrigan

    ODI team for West Indies- experimentation and giving Root a rest- 1Hales 2.Ali 3.Taylor 4.Morgan 5.Ballance 6.Buttler 7&8.(2 out of Stokes/Woakes/Borthwick) 9.Broad 10.Jordan 11.topley/Briggs -other reserves Vince Davies

    KP, Anderson, Root to come back in the summer (as well as Finn and Willey)

    T20i team (excluding Willey) 1.Hales 2.Lumb 3.KP 4.Morgan 5.Buttler 6.Stokes 7Ali 8.Broad 9. Napier 10.Jordan 11Parry/Briggs -reserves Root, Davies, Borthwick, Gurney

    (I know Briggs isn't great but who else- Parry was playing 2nd 11 cricket- but looked decent on sky. 2 T20i spinners is a must.

  • CodandChips on January 31, 2014, 21:17 GMT

    Thanks Andy Flower for everything. Number 1 in all formats. Ashes series win. Win a series in India. Win a limited overs ICC completion.

    But this ashes tour has been shambolic and so changes are needed. Well done Andy for stepping down. Personally my choice of replacement would be the guy in charge of Durham (sorry forgot name) as he has had prolonged success in all formats since 2007-Durham have won championships and reached finals..Giles had 1 successful season and has had a poor record with England (1 series win in ODIs since 2012) (although he has had to rest certain players).

    Would also change coaches- particularly Saker (eg issues with Finn). Perhaps selectors need a shuffle (many ashes blunders, not just 1 or 2). I'd also stop central contracts, as I feel it means certain players are less likely to get dropped than others.

  • T-800 on January 31, 2014, 20:45 GMT

    This is nothing more than a sham. Andy Flower is being made a scapegoat.

    Lets consider the main reason England flopped in Australia - England's much reputed top order batsmen proved incapable of handling hostile pace bowling. They had never seen anything like the Mitchell Johnson barrage up until that point. (Glenn McGrath doesn't count because he was a great bowler but mainly a line and length bowler). England's batting lineup comprising Cook, Trott, Petersen, Bell et al stood thoroughly exposed.

    To cover for these gentlemen's failures, poor Andy Flower is being made the scapegoat.

  • on January 31, 2014, 20:18 GMT

    Just get a feeling that the Flower has been acknowledged for his services and a dignified exit has been devised for him. Why would a guy who has been gung ho about rebuilding his team will decide to jump a ship so soon? If you read between the lines seems like the total control which he so desired and got in the previous regime wasn't provided. However it is a high time for change in guard. Not such a bad thing for England. The only way is up from here. just get a feeling Cook will be following the suit. It will take a guy with highest resolve and determination to come out of hiding and mental scars provided by Aussie series and Cook doesnt seem to be that character. Good luck Broad and Morgan

  • Nutcutlet on January 31, 2014, 19:39 GMT

    I cannot pretend that I'm filled with optimism, or even a small measure of reassurance, at the prospect of Ashley Giles taking over, yet he is the heir-apparent. For me, AG has been too closely identified with the back-end of Flower's tenure - the time when things began to unravel rapidly - and if he's been cutting his teeth on the ODI & t20 preparation, well, that's hardly a glowing testimonial, is it? Like jb633, I'd like a fresh face, with fresh ideas setting the tone for the immediate and medium term: Jason Gillespie or Tom Moody would be my front-runners, or even Gus Fraser. Unfortunately, because of the dead (or deferential) hand of protocol, I suspect that we'll be made to suffer a bout of Ashey G first. By the end of that time, he may have moved on from the King of Spain to the the Prince of Pain. I fear it has to happen, but Paul Downton could - just could - save us the detour. We can but hope...( NB & PS: It's why I suggested a probationary period for AG in an earlier post.)

  • seantells on January 31, 2014, 19:29 GMT

    and it's time too, and no way ENG going put Giles it will be a weight on sinking Vessel, kick off fruitless traditions and get a good Coach, Tom Moody perhaps

  • on January 31, 2014, 18:39 GMT

    I find the description of Flower as a successful coach quite bizarre. He got the job with a successful team but as players retired replacements haven't been quite up to it. However it is certain that whoever is appointed it will be the wrong person. I'm afraid that is how the cricketing establishment work. Even Flower is up for a plumb job after disastrous failure. The problem with English cricket is lack of consequence and central contracts once lauded as the salvation of English test cricket now serve only to offer security to players when it isn't deserved. So many English players don't get a chance as selection is all about picking 'my boys' and the establishment of favourites. At the end of each test match the worst performing bowler and batsman should be automatically dropped, sent back to his county and the next cab of the rank called up based on 4 day county performance. And so it could continue. There is no real competition for places at all in the current set up.

  • xylo on January 31, 2014, 18:10 GMT

    If Giles is going to replace Flower, there is going to be no fresh influx of thoughts. They might as well have a rock.

  • on January 31, 2014, 18:08 GMT

    It is extremely sad when your nations sporting future is governed by the gutter press...

  • rohan024 on January 31, 2014, 17:50 GMT

    Is there a chance ECB could consider Duncan Fletcher nomination? Please.

  • on January 31, 2014, 17:05 GMT

    please not ashley giles !!!

  • PeerieTrow on January 31, 2014, 17:03 GMT

    According to GOV.UK coaches are subjected to an annual test similar to the MOT for cars. I suspect if messrs Giles, Gooch and Saker were subjected to a formal test for coaches there would be considerable remedial action required.

  • jb633 on January 31, 2014, 16:59 GMT

    I personally would like Tom Moody to get the job. He seems a very likeable man, has experiences in all quarters of the globe and has a relaxed demaneour that would suit a side in transition. He did very well with SL and I believe he would be perfect. I would hate them to give it to another dull, old boy like Giles who would bring very little to the table. I would like a guy who is seasoned in international cricket and has been everywhere and done it. The first thing we need to address is talent. The harsh truth about a lot of guys who have represented England on this trip are they do not possess the ability to compete. Bairstow will never make runs with his technique, showing a quick bowler all 3 stumps is not good enough. Same goes for Borthwick. I am sorry to be harsh but he bowls 3 bad balls an over even at county level. Whilst he has a good temprament with the bat he cannot be a sole spinner. We must think again about who we have in the lions programme and who goes on A tours.

  • AussiePhoenix on January 31, 2014, 16:55 GMT

    People are forgetting the away NZ series early 2013. Draw, but England got lucky and just avoided losing the series. Matt Prior's last meaningful score. Troubles are running deep. Whether it was Flower alone, time will now tell.

  • H_Z_O on January 31, 2014, 16:51 GMT

    Contd.

    It's worth pointing out that Australia's turnaround (after the India debacle) didn't come about because of new players, and in fact had more to do with rehabilitating old ones (such as Haddin, Rogers and Johnson) who were discarded prematurely.

    In the same way as Lehmann gave Australia breath of fresh air, perhaps we could benefit from some new ideas.

    Not sure Giles is the man, though. My choice'd be Jason Gillespie (who's done an excellent job at Yorkshire, including bringing through some talented youngsters). He may not want it, mind. Then again, I'd question the sanity of any Coach who jumped on board this sinking ship with both feet. Things will almost certainly be getting worse before they get better.

  • H_Z_O on January 31, 2014, 16:43 GMT

    Think it had to happen. People say "blame the players" but when the same players go from beating a side 3-0 to losing to them 5-0 (and we were lucky to get 0) in the space of a few months, something's not right with the coaching. England's infamous struggles in the first Test on tour, for example, have been there for years, yet nothing's changed.

    And that's the key. Did Flower feel changes were necessary? If not, maybe he's taken the team as far as he can? People have said Cook now has the chance to rebuild the team in his own image; the same is now true for the new coach.

    The other thing is, as hard as Flower will be to replace (and he will be) he's a lot easier to replace than the players whose heads everyone is calling for. The fact is, other than a few strange omissions (Compton and Onions being the most glaring) there aren't many players in County Cricket better than those selected.

    Contd.

  • on January 31, 2014, 16:37 GMT

    all eng cricket players they will play good in big bash but they won't play for mother country that means what they play good if they get more money.

  • charliebear on January 31, 2014, 16:17 GMT

    George Dobell = top journalist. Excellent work my man. Th There was always the suspicion that this team was greater than the sum of its parts. IE they overachieved through sound management, teamwork, character and favourable home conditions. Stats sometimes tell a story. Best two seamers for the past two years - Broad and Anderson. Both fine bowlers but neither average below 30. Not consistent enough to be top notch. Our "great" batsmen Cook and Pietersen. Have played amazing innings but averages for both are in freefall. I reckon KP a spent force Test-wise. Cook not a captain and we need his runs to return. However don't see another skipper candidate. Finally - the loss of Swann is the biggest hammer blow. To my mind the one truly consistently world-class English player of the past five years. He brought balance, skill, perspective and most of all wickets. His long spells also allowed others to shine. Bresnan not a Test player yet some were desperate for his return. Says it all.

  • on January 31, 2014, 16:14 GMT

    This is Giles Clarke's decision. He runs the show on all thiongs and certainly on this.

  • on January 31, 2014, 15:52 GMT

    Typical blame culture of today's society. One team just happens to be better than another team and beats them, so you sack the coach of the team that loses. Brian Murphy's comments below are a good analysis.

  • JG2704 on January 31, 2014, 15:43 GMT

    CTD The Australian side Eng beat in Aus in 2010/11 was arguably stronger (battingwise). They still had Hussey and Ponting and the Eng side has not changed much in those 2 years. So I wonder if it's mostly a case of sides working out how to play against England and Eng being unable/unwilling to change/adapt. Unless you are absolute masters of your trade , the more predictable you are means that is surely becomes easier to make plans for. It could be that Flower has over achieved with the players he's had and he's a victim of his early success and that the new man in will really have his work cut out to even match what Flower has achieved. However , after the 4-0 win at home to India in summer of 2011 we had such a points advantage that we still stayed above SA after the 3-0 whitewash in UAE.We are now a massive 26 points behind SA , 10 points behind India and 4 behind Aus so this is not a kneejerk reaction to the Aus series which was the final straw

  • Zakirali on January 31, 2014, 15:43 GMT

    Nothing wrong with flower and the England team they will bounce back like lion they are ..... When they go they will be good bounce to beat ... Time will tell when they go to WC in BD

  • on January 31, 2014, 15:38 GMT

    Well Well Pakistan has started their down start by defeating them with 3-0 in Dubai. So finally we are hearing some noise which used to be air tight when it was performing and especially when it was No 1 Team.

  • Gevelsis on January 31, 2014, 15:36 GMT

    First rule for the new coach: No-one is allowed to refer to their team mates using the diminutive form, i.e Bellie. Cookie, Broadie, Rootie. For Goodness sake you are grown men, behave like men, not school chums. You sound like characters from a Boys Own story.

  • on January 31, 2014, 15:31 GMT

    Andy Flower for West Indies head coach! I wish!! Thankless move by England, if true. The team has made incredible achievements under his charge. His legacy will be what was done under the Flower/Strauss partnership.

  • stumpedlloyd on January 31, 2014, 15:30 GMT

    Brilliant! Now with Giles coaching all formats, we can finally see Jade Dernbach play test cricket. England opponents beware: Jade's coming for ya. Albeit at 6-10 runs an over, but he's coming for ya!

  • Gevelsis on January 31, 2014, 15:30 GMT

    Andy Flower is a good man and a focussed, respected coach. If you were fighting a battle, you'd want him by your side. A better option might have been to change the batting and bowling coaches first. It has all become too heavy.

  • JG2704 on January 31, 2014, 15:29 GMT

    I think he had to go. There really is a huge amount to admire about him as a person and he took England to the top of the rankings. In the 1st half of his tenure he had us winning every series bar one which was a drawn series in SA which is also a great result. This included a 4-0 win vs the then number 1 side India and a 3-1 win in Australia. Yes Australia weren't the side of old but no other team has won a series by more than one test for decades I would think and no one has won in Aus by more than a solirtary test since. From beginning of 2012 til now we have had one above par win in India , but this seems to be a one off. We were whitewashed in Pak , drew in SL (Aus won there) , beat WI (as expected) , lost 2-0 to SA (a draw would probably have been par) drew 0-0 in NZ (poor result and were lucky not to lose) beat NZ 2-0 (par result , overcaution nearly cost us the 2nd test win) , the 3-0 win vs Aus (great result but flattering) and now we are whitewashed by the same Aus side

  • on January 31, 2014, 15:24 GMT

    The coach job for international cricket teams is given excess importance. Coaches need great players to deliver the results.

    The impact of Flower on the English is given excess credit. Just that there were some great players in the English side (primarily KP at his pomp) that helped England win matches all over the world. As the greats started fading, so did Flower.

    Can Gary Kirsten make the current Indian team touring India win matches. Impossible, the quality is pathetic.

    Shane Warne got it right in his opinion of coaches coaching international cricket side.

  • bobmartin on January 31, 2014, 15:19 GMT

    I'm not surprised one bit. I don't think it was necessarily the defeats per se as much as the manner of them.The team looked jaded, lacking enthusiam and even worse gave up almost it seems without a fight.With a couple of exceptions, the team looked as if it would have been beaten by Zimbabwe they were that bad.So how does a team go from being virtually unbeatable to one who got clobbered by,lets face it,a less than great team.That's the question which needs answering and quite clearly Andy Flower had run out of answers.The next question is who will replace him, hopefully not Giles in the long term otherwise we're in for a pretty boring time but who else is available and would want the job ? And which players will be cast aside Quite clearly some have to go. Cook is secure as is Bell, blue-eyed boy Root looks safe Pietersen it goes without saying seeing as how the ECB have bent over backwards to accomodate him.Stokes is OK as are Broad & Anderson. Take your pick from the rest

  • CricLook on January 31, 2014, 15:15 GMT

    Why people rating Ashley Giles so high..? I don't think he has the discipline and strategy that make a shrewd coach. England should find someone more worthy. May be Gooch himself or Graham Ford, the outgoing SL coach or Gary Kirsten as ECB has a fascination with the Africans.

  • CricketMaan on January 31, 2014, 14:59 GMT

    No matter who is in charge of future English team, i expect easy wins over both SL and India in summer!

  • on January 31, 2014, 14:58 GMT

    Justice has finally been done!! Now it's time for the England selectors to return NICK COMPTON into the England XI before they sink any lower!

    Good luck on your return Nick, and good riddance Andy Flower!

  • Ashpro79 on January 31, 2014, 14:53 GMT

    @ peter56.................. your comment is absolutely ridiculous. Forget KP- it is not ALL about him. However, you really need to look at his credentials. I think Alastair Cook looked a bit wet to me in Aus- more to blame than KP this time around.

  • nursery_ender on January 31, 2014, 14:51 GMT

    I'm prepared to give Giles a chance without Flower looking over his shoulder. I'm more concerned about Saker, given what he's done to Finn in particular.

  • mensan on January 31, 2014, 14:50 GMT

    He served well but 5 years is a long period. He doesn't possibly contribute anything new to ENG team.

  • on January 31, 2014, 14:50 GMT

    Sad that the press seem to have more say in this than a seasoned, logical and cricket orientated approach...you, the English, build up your mediocre players into paper heroes then reach for a box of matches !! I might be biased being a Zimbabwean and a friend of Flowers but he has taken you to heights undreamed of a few years ago. I just hope that his contribution is recognised and acknowledged and that you exercise some uncomplicated and uncunning thought process in your next selection of a coach. Remember, the wheel is round ............

  • on January 31, 2014, 14:49 GMT

    So if Flower is going, that means Pietersen is staying? Wrong call.

  • WarVdm on January 31, 2014, 14:45 GMT

    Look how the limited overs teams that are managed/coached by Giles are getting tharshed too. It is not Flower's fault, never has been, he was responsable for England's most properous period in 30 years. A scapegoat is needed after such a thrashing, and it is easier to fire one than 11. ECB probably hopes that a new coach will mean a new and fresh start for players and fans. See how it works out, but whoever comes in will probably not be as good as Flower (unless it's Kirsten, of course, but he left the Proteas because he wanted more time for his family and interests). It might work for a series or two, but not much longer.

  • Arrow011 on January 31, 2014, 14:35 GMT

    If KP is the reason then KP should be the winner in this clash of egos. UK fans are not seeing the truth, KP is an immigrant but has served double to English cricket than Cook, Bell, Vaughan, Hussain & all in modern history of English cricket. KP has scored run a ball centuries in SL to win a test, near run a ball century against India again to win a test, has scored successive ODI centuries in UAE against Pakistan, scored quick centuries in Ashes series in the UK, Australia (not this year series), scored so well against South Africa & is the man of the tournament in the only ICC cup England won since 1971 for England's T20 World cup win. What more should a player do? If he is ignored then god bless English cricket as England cannot match 3 players with 1 KP's talent. People go ga-ga over Cook, Bell, Root & Trott have they even achieved half of what KP did? All KP needs is an IPL window for that he is being punished, it is time to see the realities & accept the character he is.

  • on January 31, 2014, 14:34 GMT

    Flower is excellent... Cook is excellent... ...but together - the chemistry is not there :)

    ...or is it they've not still recovered from the loss to Pakistan in UAE...

    ... but I believe England losses can be attributed to one single psychological factor... the DRS... ever since it came in a big way, England have not looked the same, except in India where its use was limited. It has been so obvious in UAE, against SA etc... they cannot play ordinary bowling at times with fear of DRS.

  • drshahidsiddique on January 31, 2014, 14:32 GMT

    thx to all who commented on it and made us all to know the subject from different angels but I feel all the management of the team should resign and leave the team in hands of such people who are willing to rebuild and can give them the confidence again and make them a team. They all are shattered like jonathan trott , graham swann and the way alistar cook with dropped shoulders and there was no one to pick them up and show the character. English team has the best players of the world but there was no one in the management who was able to lift them when titanic started to drown and I feel all the management should leave the job to the new ones and make English men proud again thx

  • IdreesAhmed95 on January 31, 2014, 14:23 GMT

    Dav Whatmore for Eng, Andy Flower for Pak? haha, would be astonishing if that happens. Wouldn't mind Andy Flower at Pakistan mind you, since he knows how to groom players into better players. Need to get someone in before the Asia Cup, and this man would be great. Alike to what Salar Ahmed said, he'll do all them things, and will give a big boost to the squad since it's a coach who's come from ENGLAND, i.e: the "big 3" coaches. Only time will tell, good luck to Andy Flower

  • ruester on January 31, 2014, 14:20 GMT

    Oh my goodness peter 56, do you really believe that KP had anything to do with the ECB sacking flower? Don't you think it was the worst ashes tour in history that cost him his job? Flower is the team coach, if he has a problem with managing his players and getting the best out of them then he is at fault. KP may have an ego but what great sportsmen doesn't ? KP works hard and trains hard to be as good as he can be. He has represented England for many years and scored more runs than any other player in our history. But all people like you do is criticize him. England are lucky to of had him. I'm happy flower has gone! hopefully our players will now enjoy themselves again and feel that they can express themselves using their own intuition and not what a stats guy tells them how to play!

  • on January 31, 2014, 14:20 GMT

    call for Davey Houghton

  • on January 31, 2014, 14:17 GMT

    Firstly, thanks for all the great work Andy. Just think of your predecessors: Stewart - not liked, helped to remove England's best batsman, Gower; K. Fletcher - just not with it; Illingworth - players hated him; Lloyd - headless chicken; D. Fletcher - great work; Moores - not respected. Flower should be immensely proud of his achievements and in terms of England coaches, only second to D. Fletcher. I just hope people don't just remember his last series in charge like they do with D. Fletcher. I am looking forward to your autobiography!

  • on January 31, 2014, 14:16 GMT

    Andy Flower sent on his bike. Why do I get the feeling that the bike is immaculately prepared, but its wheels fall off at the slightest hill?

  • yorkslanka on January 31, 2014, 14:10 GMT

    Does this mean he is heading to india as the last time England sacked their coach, india picked him up. There was no other result following the last Ashes tbh. Just hope that Giles doesn't get the job as he seems to not have a clue!

  • wanatawu on January 31, 2014, 14:07 GMT

    I hope Ashley Giles take over, there not a more deserving person for the post.

  • BradmanBestEver on January 31, 2014, 14:02 GMT

    They need to get rid of the dead wood in the team also

  • Nutcutlet on January 31, 2014, 13:58 GMT

    2nd post: I think that Paul Dowton is to be applauded in being his own man (I had my hands together hoping he would!). This was a call that flies in the face of the noises coming out of the higher echelons on the ECB in recent weeks (CEO David Collier: quoted above). And, of course, it opens up the position of 'Team Director' - or does it? I'm not happy with that title; it sounds highly autocratic & a tad pompous; I would suggest that it too has had its day & should be retired along with the one man who's held that postion. Let's have an old-fashioned Team Manager once again. But who? I suppose Ashley Giles gets the position by default, but I'd let him know that he needs to serve a probationary period. He needs to find a way of allowing England's teams to play more adventurous cricket (not rash, just positive & reacting to the dynamics of a game rather than going according to some prepared script). And for this to happen, he needs a new capt, who actually looks like one. Bell, perhaps?

  • on January 31, 2014, 13:58 GMT

    Nutcutlet is bang on the money IMO..

  • on January 31, 2014, 13:54 GMT

    I wouldn't mind if Andy Flower takes over as Pakistan's head coach. Being someone famous for bring consistency and discipline into the side, it would be just the right tonic for our mid table team with players with raw talent but no application. Come on PCB offer him a job, language shouldnt be that great a barrier.

  • on January 31, 2014, 13:53 GMT

    Great newssss.. Dav Whatmore is leaving next month.. Bring him in PCB

  • on January 31, 2014, 13:48 GMT

    Sandeep Patil? Are you sure? I'd rather have Boycott's mother in the job. Mickey Arthur would be my bet, but Giles? Absolute disaster waiting to happen there.

  • steve48 on January 31, 2014, 13:45 GMT

    This decision had to be made. Flower has his methods and philosophy and they were just what we needed after the Moores/Pieterson show. However, a coach has a lifespan in motivating a set group of players and even in the summer there were signs that his time was coming to an end. I think that apart from clich├ęs such as familiarity breeding contempt, the problem always is that a coach cannot reinvent himself with a new approach, so if he stays too long with the same group of players it is either more of the same or even more of the same; in this case ever increasing micro management. The only way a coach can stay long term is to remove players as they seem to tire/resist him, a la Alex Ferguson. Tougher to do with a national side and so Flower maybe should have quit after the summer. Trouble with that was the time a new coach would have had. Couldn't have gone any worse though, could it?

  • on January 31, 2014, 13:42 GMT

    It's all gone downhill since Ashley Giles got involved. Now he is getting his way and taking it All over; I really don't know how low England will plunge under Giles' "leadership." but we would be lucky to be in the Inter-Continental Cup if he's in charge for more than a year. I despair of the whole lot.

  • TheChap on January 31, 2014, 13:41 GMT

    This has to be about Pietersen...??

    Good luck Andy, whatever and wherever the next role may be - you've been fantastic in my opinion.

  • on January 31, 2014, 13:39 GMT

    "Indications are that Giles will take on the added responsibility, with a press conference scheduled for Saturday morning."

    Yes, let's replace one of the best coaches England have ever had with one of the most mediocre and clueless coaches ever to be handed a position within the ECB - that's bound to turn the ship around.

    Giles' appointment as limited overs coach was a jobs for the boys pick in the first place. He's absolutely useless.

    Thanks for all the successes, Andy. It may well be a long time until we see them again.

  • Nutcutlet on January 31, 2014, 13:35 GMT

    No one can doubt that Andy Flower is a totally sincere man who will do any job he's given with great conscientiousness. He has taken England's Test team to the top (albeit briefly) and when his methods have worked, Eng has been relentless in steamrollering the opposition. He has, indeed, been a 'methods' manager- it's his MO, characterised by consistency in selection, belief in a core of players who, happily for Eng, managed to peak in 2010 - 11. Its last hurrah wasn't the lucky Ashes win last summer, but the win in India over a year ago. For too long the cracks have been showing & with Strauss's going, things were always going to be different and tougher. Sides are now wise to his methods & can (& have) rumbled them. The downside to AF's tenure has been a failure to evolve, an over-defensive mindset & perhaps most of all, an evident loss in the joy of playing. It's all looked like thankless hard work recently. Cook's part in it all has to be admitted; he's not the captain Eng needs.

  • peter56 on January 31, 2014, 13:33 GMT

    I cannot believe this Pietersen wins again a second england coach is fired to placate the underperforming Pietersen .Is there no end to the grovelling the ECB is prepared to do to accomodate the fading egomaniac. He will fill his boots against the useless Indian bowlers this summer, as will all the England Batsmen, but these easy runs will proove nothing.All they will do is give people like Georgr Dobell,and Michael Vaughan an excuse to gloss over the truth and proclaim yet again Pietersens greatness,He has never been,is not,or never will be great. at least 10 of his contemporaries in the cricket world have much better test records than he does,he has played some great innings but then so has Chris Gayle,Kp is probably cracking open a bottle of champagne to celebrate. even more so when his choice Ashley Giles is the likely replacement. So far Moores,Flowers,Strauss,Swann, sacrificised ,an ever growing list of casualties cost of accomodating KP.

  • on January 31, 2014, 13:32 GMT

    As an outsider I'm not liking the decision - I think England will suffer for it, but only those on the inside will know if it's right. Who has better creds who could come and do the job - Gary Kirsten? But he has the Delhi Daredevils deal. Can't see who they'll get with superior creds to Flower...

  • 122notoutWestByfleet1996 on January 31, 2014, 13:32 GMT

    Please let us not forget the success that England experienced with Flower at the helm. Yes his methods may no longer be relevant, but 2 Ashes victories and an away series win in India were great achievements.

    It is time for a change and it is a good sign of Downton's leadership that he has taken this decision. A fresh start is what England need -just look at the change in Australia's fortunes this winter!

  • on January 31, 2014, 13:32 GMT

    andy flower did a great job for england as head coach but again his treatment with KP and also his attitude did not help england in last 6 months.

    thanks andy flower for your great services but i believe your time was over in england you can now go and help other countries who need system.

  • willsrustynuts on January 31, 2014, 13:32 GMT

    He made some good decisions and some bad.

    This tour was not about AF though.

    Sack the board. Time to reform the ECB.

  • peter56 on January 31, 2014, 13:31 GMT

    I cannot believe this Pietersen wins again a second england coach is fired to placate the underperforming Pietersen .Is there no end to the grovelling the ECB is prepared to do to accomodate the fading egomaniac. He will fill his boots against the useless Indian bowlers this summer, as will all the England Batsmen, but these easy runs will proove nothing.All they will do is give people like Georgr Dobell,and Michael Vaughan an excuse to gloss over the truth and proclaim yet again Pietersens greatness,He has never been,is not,or never will be great. at least 10 of his contemporaries in the cricket world have much better test records than he does,he has played some great innings but then so has Chris Gayle,Kp is probably cracking open a bottle of champagne to celebrate. even more so when his choice Ashley Giles is the likely replacement. So far Moores,Flowers,Strauss,Swann, sacrificised ,an ever growing list of casualties cost of accomodating KP.

  • Arrow011 on January 31, 2014, 13:29 GMT

    England should make Sandeep Patil as their coach, he is more instinctive unlike Andy flower. Sandeep was the guy who brought Kenya to World cup semi finals in 2003. England has not reached semi final berth in recent world cups so it is time for England to seriously look for a good coach like Sandeep & also take more interest in ODIs where they are very bad now. England looks like the only team which has no goals for WC 2015.

  • on January 31, 2014, 13:29 GMT

    The George Dobell Story would make an excellent biopic. Starring Danny DeVito.

  • porridgemcgee on January 31, 2014, 13:28 GMT

    If this is true, congratulations Andy. As an Aussie, you gutted us for the best part of 5 years and we are definitely glad to see the back of you :)

  • on January 31, 2014, 13:27 GMT

    Some notable results, such as the home whitewash of India, away series win against the same opponents and home Ashes win, but three major black marks on his record - thrashing by Pakistan in UAE, less than impressive home defeat to SA and the horrendous current tour. He survived two bad series, couldn't survive the third.

    The big question, though - if not Flower, who else? Letting Giles take over in all three formats would be a big mistake, as his record in ODIs hasn't been that great. It needs to be someone from outside the current set-up, and no candidate immediately stands out as the obvious choice.

  • on January 31, 2014, 13:25 GMT

    Interesting timing. I hope the the ECB have a replacement in mind.

  • Yasi_Gee on January 31, 2014, 13:24 GMT

    Don't cross KP and if you do then you are going to loose your job. It happened to Peter Moore and now it happened to Andy Flower. Players are bigger than the coach or the game itself.

  • Arrow011 on January 31, 2014, 13:24 GMT

    If any international cricket coach had to be booted out he is Duncan Fletcher not Andy flower.

  • ZCFOutkast on January 31, 2014, 13:23 GMT

    Nothing new. This was to be expected. Right decision in my opinion. I suspect Dunc will have to clear his table soon after the ODIs embarassment. Can't see how the Indian top order will be able to deal with the NZ seamers in those conditions during the Test series as well. Since they happen to be the best batsmen India has to offer, while their pace attack is arguably the worst in world cricket alongside BD, there can only be one scapegoat and that's him. So Andy will naturally be the favourite there if the BCCI doesn't yield to justified internal pressure to appoint a local coach. Just so he knows, ZC won't hire him, even if it's for pro bono, so he better hope Fletcher get the sack.

    As far as the ECB is concerned, I'm not sure if Giles is ready. But if Vaughan throws his name into the hat, let's hope no one finds it. What's Alec Stewart up to? Wouldn't be a bad idea if Thorpe was given the role and fired KP first thing 1st day at work. Scenes of Dunga-Ronaldinho 2010FWC selection...

  • kpisa---- on January 31, 2014, 13:23 GMT

    Flower has done a good job for English cricket but its clear the whole setup now needs an overhaul. I sincerely hope that Giles does not get promoted, he has shown his credentials in the ODI's and now the T20's.

    There should now be a few players and backroom staff worried about their futures with England. I have thought that there was something wrong for some time with the attitude, it needs sorting out so that England can get back to their best and perhaps once again look like they are enjoying what is a very priviledged lifestyle being a very well paid international cricketer!

    Unfirtunately I think they also need a very strong captain in the coming months and that is something that they dont have amongst the current squads other than KP, and that isnt going to happen again (I hope!).

  • Front-Foot_lunge on January 31, 2014, 13:22 GMT

    I warned, years ago, about the small but emerging fractures in the English set-up as soon as they split the test and limited overs coaching roles. Flowers approach, moulded in the 'obey at all costs' bureaucracy favoured by regimes such as North Korea, could not survive another 'chief', in the form of Giles.

    Add to this, the massive rise in the backroom staff and you get a beuracratic juggernaut, which eventually collapses under the weight of its own making. England loves it's institutions but historically has such trouble re-inventing them for contemporary conditions.

    Fans, and it seems the administrators, blinded by short-termisn with regards to results, crowed and crowed. The reality is very much different.

  • Bhamo on January 31, 2014, 13:22 GMT

    Best thing happened to English Cricket in last few years !!

  • Hammond7249 on January 31, 2014, 13:21 GMT

    I'm not sure how I feel about this as the team should really take the brunt of the criticism over a poor winter tour. If he is to go then the ECB need to think long and hard about appointing the right person for the job. I wish I knew who that was.

    Crowing Australians should not forgot that they lost 3 Ashes series in a row. One series win doesn't make them superstars again.

  • on January 31, 2014, 13:20 GMT

    correct decision. let him take a few months off until fletch gets emptied by india qnd he can have that gig for a few years.

  • InfiniteWhite on January 31, 2014, 13:19 GMT

    Ashley Giles has also been losing in humiliating fashion. Is he the replacement? 'chuckle'

  • Bhamo on January 31, 2014, 13:15 GMT

    Best thing happened to English Cricket in last few years !!

  • real_gone_gadd on January 31, 2014, 13:12 GMT

    Wonder what he'll do next? Gary Kirsten for England coach?

  • on January 31, 2014, 13:08 GMT

    I was among those who vociferously criticised Flower's way of functioning, bracketing with Mickey Arthur's, and requesting for his removal.

    HOWEVER, I humbly request all of us to refrain from kicking a fallen man. That will not be gentlemanly. That won't be cricket!

  • akmalkakar on January 31, 2014, 13:08 GMT

    Now it'll take more time for England to rebuild without Andy Flower...he had given so much to the team and he knew them so closely plus he himself said that he was motivated to lead the rebuilding...I can't see a better person to replace him...

  • Potatis on January 31, 2014, 13:07 GMT

    He was an ashes winning coach last year, and England beat India in India. Then England lose a series and it's all over. The defeats go beyond just Flower, how can anyone explain the failure of a whole cricketing system funded by millions of pounds? There must be a lot of things wrong in a lot of places, so hopefully for England Flower's removal is just the beginning of the shake up.

  • Jeeves_ on January 31, 2014, 13:07 GMT

    Difficult to keep the team director and captain on, after such an abysmal tour. It's difficult to find any positives from the tour. Mostly, the team never looked like a team, and never looked like they were having fun. What is the excuse? These guys are paid a fortune.

  • AJ_Tiger86 on January 31, 2014, 13:06 GMT

    Good decision! Now it's time for Cook to be sacked as captain.

  • StJohn on January 31, 2014, 13:04 GMT

    Any chance he can open the batting for us instead?

  • AnotherCricketFan on January 31, 2014, 13:04 GMT

    Good for England. The micro-management just took the 'fun element' for these professional cricketers. Though it is a job, no one likes to be micro-managed in their work - especially at this high level.

  • BradmanBestEver on January 31, 2014, 13:01 GMT

    Well it had to happen. They are being flogged mercilessly by average Australian teams.

    There are no Warne-, Gilchrist-, Ponting- or McGrath-calibre players available for Australia at the mo - just a bunch of good standard guys who try like hell. England's poor attitude and weak character was shown up by them.

    It will be a long hard road for the English. The gap is so wide

  • wanatawu on January 31, 2014, 13:01 GMT

    He was hailed as a visionary coach a couple of years back. How the mighty has fallen

  • CamS71 on January 31, 2014, 13:00 GMT

    If true I say thanks Andy, genuinely. You brought us 3 Ashes & probably the best sustained success of my viewing lifetime. That you've run out of steam is merely what happens in sport. Enjoy whatever you choose to do next & again, many thanks.

  • on January 31, 2014, 12:59 GMT

    Correct decision. Time to infuse new thoughts. But well done to Andy. He brought the sense back to England and enabled them to win in Australia after eternity.

  • Front-Foot-Lunge-Needs-A-Hug on January 31, 2014, 12:57 GMT

    It's no surprise, I would have been surprised if he kept the job. It's not the 5-0, the side has been cracking up for some time. I expect the chairman of selectors might be best advised to look for a new job as should Flower's staff. Cook is next. So much for all the hot air about England whitewashing Australia before the series. Australia wiped England out on and off the field. @FFL, normal service has resumed.

  • on January 31, 2014, 12:57 GMT

    Can't say I'm that surprised, and I think England need something different. However, you can't hold the coach responsible for the batsmen batting like rabbits in the headlights, especially as they did it in the ODI's and T20's too (which Flower wasn't involved in). He's done a good job (mostly) but it's time to move on.

  • virtualpradeep on January 31, 2014, 12:55 GMT

    He has been made a scapegoat, sad to see him go after helping achieve the feat of No. 1 team. But hey, only way to re-build is to start somewhere!

  • virtualpradeep on January 31, 2014, 12:55 GMT

    He has been made a scapegoat, sad to see him go after helping achieve the feat of No. 1 team. But hey, only way to re-build is to start somewhere!

  • on January 31, 2014, 12:57 GMT

    Can't say I'm that surprised, and I think England need something different. However, you can't hold the coach responsible for the batsmen batting like rabbits in the headlights, especially as they did it in the ODI's and T20's too (which Flower wasn't involved in). He's done a good job (mostly) but it's time to move on.

  • Front-Foot-Lunge-Needs-A-Hug on January 31, 2014, 12:57 GMT

    It's no surprise, I would have been surprised if he kept the job. It's not the 5-0, the side has been cracking up for some time. I expect the chairman of selectors might be best advised to look for a new job as should Flower's staff. Cook is next. So much for all the hot air about England whitewashing Australia before the series. Australia wiped England out on and off the field. @FFL, normal service has resumed.

  • on January 31, 2014, 12:59 GMT

    Correct decision. Time to infuse new thoughts. But well done to Andy. He brought the sense back to England and enabled them to win in Australia after eternity.

  • CamS71 on January 31, 2014, 13:00 GMT

    If true I say thanks Andy, genuinely. You brought us 3 Ashes & probably the best sustained success of my viewing lifetime. That you've run out of steam is merely what happens in sport. Enjoy whatever you choose to do next & again, many thanks.

  • wanatawu on January 31, 2014, 13:01 GMT

    He was hailed as a visionary coach a couple of years back. How the mighty has fallen

  • BradmanBestEver on January 31, 2014, 13:01 GMT

    Well it had to happen. They are being flogged mercilessly by average Australian teams.

    There are no Warne-, Gilchrist-, Ponting- or McGrath-calibre players available for Australia at the mo - just a bunch of good standard guys who try like hell. England's poor attitude and weak character was shown up by them.

    It will be a long hard road for the English. The gap is so wide

  • AnotherCricketFan on January 31, 2014, 13:04 GMT

    Good for England. The micro-management just took the 'fun element' for these professional cricketers. Though it is a job, no one likes to be micro-managed in their work - especially at this high level.

  • StJohn on January 31, 2014, 13:04 GMT

    Any chance he can open the batting for us instead?

  • AJ_Tiger86 on January 31, 2014, 13:06 GMT

    Good decision! Now it's time for Cook to be sacked as captain.