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Carberry questions Giles and selectors

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April 1, 2014

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Michael Carberry played positively for his 47, Prime Minister's XI v England XI, Tour match, Canberra, January 14, 2014
Michael Carberry made 47 against the Prime Minister's XI in Canberra but did not get an opportunity during the ODI series © Getty Images

England opener Michael Carberry has questioned the man-management skills of coach Ashley Giles and expressed surprise at England's decision to end Kevin Pietersen's international career, declaring Pietersen had been "very helpful" on the Ashes tour.

Pietersen and Carberry were England's two leading run scorers during their disastrous Ashes series in Australia but by February Pietersen was gone from England's future plans and Carberry was unsure where he himself fitted in. Carberry was ignored by the England selectors throughout the ODI series that followed the Ashes and he said Giles, the limited-overs coach, had not shed any light on why that was the case.

"I had a brief chat with Ashley Giles during the fifth ODI in Adelaide and his response was that he didn't really know," Carberry said in an interview with the Guardian. "If you don't know, mate, I sure as hell won't know.

"It's that age-old word: man-management. I've accepted over my short and breezy England career that that's the way the selectors tend to do things. I wouldn't say I've been in the loop when it comes to why I've been left out. I've had to try and work it out for myself which, again, is disappointing."

Despite being one of England's more solid performers during the Ashes defeat, Carberry said that response from Giles left him wondering about his international future in all forms of the game, especially if Giles is named as Andy Flower's replacement as Test coach.

"Leaving Adelaide after our brief chat I've got to be honest, it didn't fill me with a great deal of optimism," Carberry said. "I feel that this is a question he should have answered. And, okay, if it's not him answering, it should be one of the selectors. But that's the way England like to do things. It disappoints me because I'm quite an approachable guy. Maybe I'm a bit straight-talking but it's the best way to be in this world - say what's on your mind."

Carberry said that "some very, very strange decisions have been made" since the tour of Australia, not least the ending of Pietersen's England career despite him being the team's leading run getter in the Ashes. As a 33-year-old trying to make a success of his second chance in the Test side, Carberry said he benefited from Pietersen's advice on the mental side of the game during the Ashes tour.

"It was a big surprise because I don't think anyone saw that coming," Carberry said. "Through the tour, certainly, Kev was very helpful to me. Over the years Kev, as one of the greats of the game, has always been very helpful in talking about the mental side. In England's position you want to retain that knowledge as much as you can. You hope he will still be around the county game for the benefit of the next generation."

Carberry also said he felt he received better feedback from the Australians than he had from within the England camp. "I've played against enough Australians to know they're very cagey with their compliments," he said, "so I must have shown a glimpse of something for them to say: 'Look, mate, you stood up through some serious spells'."

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Posted by JG2704 on (April 3, 2014, 8:04 GMT)

@milepost-You say the word "We" in a way that make it looks like you are the voice of reason and you speak for everyone on this thread.

The reality is that you and an other (could be the same) both continually slate England at any opportunity and this is a golden one.

Carberry should have his say and be taken seriously but does an Ashes average of 28 indicate he was decent/justifying his place? Yes better than most but still not good and many of us were strongly questioning the non selections of guys like Compton,Taylor and Onions and ironically enough the slections of Carberry and Tremlett pre tour so it's not just a hindsight thing. Not sure I agree with Buttler being in the side but I agree with the other names he mentioned. Most of the other guys you mentioned have been strong performers for Eng at some time or another while others have earned their call by decent domestic form. We know Carberry doesnt pick himself.On that series only 2 players justfied their places

Posted by milepost on (April 2, 2014, 12:52 GMT)

@John Duffield didn't we already politely ask you to keep your stats only approach to yourself? Carberry justified his Ashes selection with decent performances. There's the same commenters here saying Carberry never justified selection despite some good knocks and some very unlucky dismissals whilst ignoring the fact that the much hyped Joe Root has failed over and over and over and over and over again. Prior, Root, Bairstow, Bresnan, Tremlett, etc. now there are some players whose selection isn't justified. Meanwhile Onions and Compton were at home during an Ashes England got flogged in. Don't blame Carberry, he's a good player and deserves to be there when they take on Sri Lanka.

Posted by   on (April 2, 2014, 9:31 GMT)

as far as averages go, there is little to choose between kp and cook. there needs to be closure on the kp issue ! you cannot just dump a great and expect there to be zero noise about it ! he may not be the best bet, but I am in favour of broad as the cap for all 3 formats, just for the effort he puts in and the way he supports his mates !

Posted by DaisonGarvasis on (April 2, 2014, 9:13 GMT)

That sounds bad man. That shows there is division in the team - you are either with cook and flower or you are against them.

Posted by Ms.Cricket on (April 2, 2014, 8:32 GMT)

Carberry is right - sack the inefficient administrators and selectors at the ECB, not your best batsman!

Posted by JG2704 on (April 2, 2014, 7:44 GMT)

Reading this article properly it makes me think that Carberry is questioning the set up in general rather than the axing of KP. Agree with the comms that Carberry should not have been selected for the Ashes and that we had better candidates. He (like KP) had better stats than many but not significantly better so it was more a case of the rest of the side being abysma; than him being good. I wouldn't have picked him for the T20WC or the series in WI but I wouldn't have picked him for the Ashes either, I would however have told him why. I would have said that he had not transformed his domestic SF form (and more importantly the way he went about the game) to England games. In the Australia ODI series last year he mostly failed but more importantly he played without the intent showed consistently for Hants. I would say to him to work at his game and if selectedd again to go out and express himself more and do what he does for Hants.

Posted by   on (April 2, 2014, 7:26 GMT)

And what exactly has the side done to deserve our support

Posted by CrikiLeaks on (April 2, 2014, 6:34 GMT)

@Paul Rone-Clarke - even to NL? Happy days then I guess.

Posted by ThatsJustCricket on (April 2, 2014, 3:16 GMT)

After an abject thrashing from the dutch, it would be interesting to see who is sent to the gallows this time with no KP around to be the convenient scapegoat.

Posted by   on (April 2, 2014, 2:57 GMT)

Seriously. Carberry should be never have been near the England test XI in the first place. He only scored 1 Division 2 Champiosnship 100 in twos seasons. 1 in the 2 seasons. How can you get picked to open the batting for England with a record like that? He was an awful selection to begin with. As I said first division players with better run scoring records like Compton, Chopra and Nash were much more deserving of being in the team.

The England team should be picked from the best players in county cricket not just on "hunches". Come the first test in May the likes Compton, Taylor, Butler and Onions should all be in the side.

Posted by Nik84 on (April 2, 2014, 1:02 GMT)

England team will always be in rebuild phase, thats what they do. If you want start fresh then sack the coach and selectors and start fresh with new brains. England will be again same average team who will win at home but will lose everywhere i thought Vaughan and Strauss got the culture of winning matches back but seems cook took it away. Cook doesn't look captain material, no aggression, no fight nothing just standinging there in slips and hands on his head. I think even if they call KP back he should refuse it. Trott went home, Swane retired in mid series who does that. They keep ignoring samit patel who is a decent allrounder. All they think is about Cook and Joe Root. Other opened who played well in india lost his spot and they decided Root will open. England only knows how to make a good player worst player in the team. Anysways who follows english cricket now.most ppl go for EPL only not ECB.

Posted by LeeHallam on (April 1, 2014, 21:06 GMT)

I have some sympathy for Michael Carberry, he put up a good fight in his innings and it nice that he got some recognition for that. However he never looked like he could go on and make a big score, and as an older player, you get fewer chances. His comments about Pietersen's helpfulness are in line with other comments, but there seem also to have been concerns that Pietersen's influence on the younger player was not a positive one. One day we will find out what the substance of that is, till then we will have to accept that England will need to move on, without KP or I suspect Carberry.

Posted by Kulaputra on (April 1, 2014, 20:50 GMT)

Engkand in LO cricket should be playing qualifying rounds before joining the big boys. They have lost to the dutch in T20 before at Lords, to Ireland in Bangalore in 50 over game and now to the Dutch again at Chittagong. Even if they win a competition, this defeat will rankle.

Posted by stumpedlloyd on (April 1, 2014, 18:32 GMT)

So the result of all of this is that the top two scorers for England in the Ashes in Australia will no longer be part of the English test side. Meanwhile, Captain Deer In Headlights and Wicket Keeper Sir Drops-a-Lot will be in the side because they don't upset a delicate Flower. Brilliant!

Posted by SirViv1973 on (April 1, 2014, 15:51 GMT)

@notimeforcricket, Don't get me wrong from what i've seen of him Robson looks like a decent player but he's also another steady accumaltor. If we go back to Trott at 3 which I think we will (though maybe not straight away) we need someone opening with Cook who is a bit more dynmaic and can score at a decent rate, what happened in Aus this winter should have at least taught us this.

Posted by SirViv1973 on (April 1, 2014, 15:36 GMT)

I have some sympathy with Carbs here. Although he didn't make a pressing claim for a future test place during the ashes he didn't perform any worse than any of the other Eng batsman. If I were picking the team I wouldn't have discarded him on form but his age (33) would have been the concern. When you are trying to rebuild a test side you want to be bringing in guys who are likley to be around for the next 5 - 10 yrs & MC won't. However I don't think age is such an obsticle in the shorter formats. Someone like Micheal lumb has come to Int cricket late but found a place for himself in the T20 team. Given the opportunity MC may have done the same. In terms of the 50 over side there are clearly still places up for grabs for the WC & I agree MC has not been given a fair crack of the whip. Perhaps if he starts the season well with hants whoever is in charge may look at him for the games against SL but by the sounds of it if it is Giles that seems unlikley.

Posted by godshand on (April 1, 2014, 15:12 GMT)

KP needs to return as ENG Ship will drown soon and they will be relegated to associates !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by   on (April 1, 2014, 14:55 GMT)

@TimmyFromTimbuktu. I think Peter Moores is the last person on earth likely to ask for KP back after KP got him sacked as England coach 5 years ago.

Moores is one of the long, long list of managers, coaches and support staff from Natal, England, Hampshire and Nottingham who has suffered with KP. It was a disgrace then that a player managed to get a coach sacked single handedly . He won't be allowed to do it again.

Maybe everyone is wrong and KP is right? Who knows. Most in England couldn't care-a-less. KP is gone and it seems only supporters of other sides actually miss him.

I would rather England lose without KP than win with him

Posted by Trevie on (April 1, 2014, 14:35 GMT)

What a mixed bag of comments. Each to their own opinions but why the vitriol against Carbs. Someone who should have been picked earlier for various games but sadly overlooked and then his serious illness. He came back from that with a double and treble century (don't carp on about featherbed wickets). His record in 2013 ODI's more than stands up to the other players. Then in the Ashes he gets castigated for slow scoring. Don't you think that he was trying to hold 1 end up - everyone was failing around him. Consequently he never played his natural game - scurrying quick cheeky singles and rotating strike. He ended up just a few runs off KP's aggregate and 3rd in averages. And bear in mind the player in 2nd place only played 4 innings - not 10. Then overlooked for ODI's and T20WC. His record at those levels are second to none. And his averages are consistent - not an eye catching 116 followed by a series of very poor scores. Not mentioning any names! Well done for speaking your mind.

Posted by MiddleStumpMike on (April 1, 2014, 14:23 GMT)

In the current pervasive atmosphere of farce I think I can see where this is headed. Peter Moores will be appointed head coach and will promptly request KP Reintegration II .......

Posted by crockit on (April 1, 2014, 13:47 GMT)

he stood fire does not cut itm and at times batted well, can't say he does not cut it. However, he was not a success story either so its simply that selectors are looking to sweep out some of the older players and start fresh

Posted by steve48 on (April 1, 2014, 13:37 GMT)

@big-al81, fair enough, KP's figures have declined, but not to the point where there are 5 better batsmen in England! As to 'team ethic ', what evidence is there that we even have one? Players running home mid series, terrible capitulations once the match or tournament seems lost, open criticism by people who were actually there of the conduct of the tour, more than one player so overcome with nerves he can't perform, I could go on. All KP 's fault? Doubt it...

Posted by wapuser on (April 1, 2014, 13:32 GMT)

Two of the so called big 3s are gone. I dont understand what make them big, cricket?????

Posted by   on (April 1, 2014, 13:03 GMT)

English cricket is a joke, always has been. Beaten by Holland at the 20/20? - Please! Beaten 5-0 in an Ashes series - banish your best batsman!

Posted by big_al_81 on (April 1, 2014, 12:58 GMT)

I grow very tired of hearing that Pietersen was the highest scorer for England in the Ashes, especially when those words are usually preceded by 'despite being...'. Being the least awful of a whole load of awful batting performances doesn't mean you've done well. The entire team were dreadful apart from Ben Stokes and as someone pointed out on another forum in the last few days Pietersen's figures have been steadily declining year on year for the last 4 years or so. The match-winning innings have been few and far between of late. If he had the potential to become a great player he's had long enough to fulfil that and shown that he was, overall, a very good, but certainly not great, cricketer. He's been a liability for the team ethic for some time so good riddance.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (April 1, 2014, 12:55 GMT)

Given that Carberry was a bit of a left-field selection in the first place, I'm not necessarily surprised that Giles didn't quite know what to do with him. That said, he seemed like a more natural fit for the limited-overs squads than the Test squad. He certainly didn't set the world alight during the Ashes but then no England batsman did. I for one would not be too critical of Carberry but it is hard to see how he fits in. Yes, many other batsmen failed too but most of them either already have a track record or have future promise. Carberry doesn't really have either. Maybe he is being looked at as a stopgap measure until Root matures enough to open but then it seems that Root was supposed to be the man at the start of the tour so he was the backup at that stage. It all seems rather strange so I'm not surprised that Giles is a bit confused too.

Posted by Hummingbird0 on (April 1, 2014, 12:55 GMT)

Is there any more low that England can sink?

Posted by   on (April 1, 2014, 12:44 GMT)

Carberry questioning .....that's rich from a club level player who should not be in the England set up remove him from future selection possibilities immediately and by the way I am an England fan

Posted by Moneypenney on (April 1, 2014, 12:39 GMT)

Good to hear England players speaking their mind about what goes in this magic 'team bubble'. After years of tepid clich├ęd statements about taking positives and executing skills properly I was getting really tired of the almost disrespectful way the England camp treats the media. Let's face it, the likes of Carberry and Compton have good reason to express their disappointment about the way they have been treated and good on them for doing so.

Posted by Robster1 on (April 1, 2014, 12:38 GMT)

I think we all know that Giles is suitable for managing England. And all the young players on the Ashes tour have said how helpful and pleasant Pietersen was.

Posted by Fifthman on (April 1, 2014, 12:35 GMT)

It's fairly clear from the comments made by Carbs and KP that players expressing an opinion that's 'off message' is not only unwelcome in the England setup, but can lead to you being overlooked and ejected on a flimsy excuse or no excuse at all. One can well imagine the state of the England dressing room in the Ashes; afraid to speak their mind, told how to think, micro-managed and having to deal with a rampant Aussie team and press. No wonder the Ashes were such a car-crash for England. KP was the scapegoat, but nothing will improve until the players are allowed and encouraged to think for themselves and be responsible for their own destiny, rather than the coach relying on Big Data to run the show.

Posted by steve48 on (April 1, 2014, 12:23 GMT)

There is a lot of unfair criticism of Carberry here; he was unlucky a couple if times, and failed to kick on from promising starts, but against a quality attack and with team mates failing all around him I thought he did well enough to stay on. Please don't mention age, he is fit and a fine fielder- the Aussies haven't discarded Rodgers, have they?! These comments, however, have probably finished him. You do get the feeling that some players are brought into the inner sanctum more than others though, don't you? Almost 'your here for the long haul ' against 'you'll do for now'. Several players have seemed overwhelmed appearing in this side, from Carberry dropping dollies despite being a top fielder, to Kerrigan, to Compton's strokelessness etc. Is this simply individual nerves, or are some new boys made to feel more long term and welcomed than others? Certainly with some key players leaving or being left, we seem in a terrible state right now, not just in performance but morale also.

Posted by MarkTaffin on (April 1, 2014, 12:14 GMT)

While Carberry only got picked simply because he wasn't Compton (and there was no way the management were going to pick Compton, even when Trott came home, so they didn't pick anyone), he's perfectly entitled to his opinion of the management disaster on the tour. Unfortunately, ageing "friends of KP" coming out like Carbs and Tremmers won't count for much, and we can't expect the key players to break rank. Nor the ECB to care if they did.

Posted by countjimmoriarty on (April 1, 2014, 11:56 GMT)

Doesn't matter what anyone says here. Pietersen is NOT coming back to the England side. Whether you think that's right or wrong, that's the fact. Move on, people - support the side, not individuals.

Posted by   on (April 1, 2014, 11:55 GMT)

Deserves another chance if hes in form in county cricket. We actually won the 50 over series in WI - probably our best suit right now! Id give him a go in that squad, but not t20. Wonder if david willey continues form of last season- he could play in all forms as allrounder

Posted by amitgarg78 on (April 1, 2014, 11:50 GMT)

To those who say MC wasn't good enough to play, I don't think he would've objected to being told clearly that he doesn't cut it. And why. It's the lack of clarity, that's baffling when one is in a limbo. The least he would hope form from those in charge is to know what he needs to do, to get back in favor. In some ways, this reminds me of brad hodge, who was never told why he doesn't make the squad, when we had quite a few mediocre guys playing for Australia. At least Aussies got his selection right after a decade!

Posted by geoffboyc on (April 1, 2014, 11:15 GMT)

I don't think Carberry was good enough either, and he was second in the averages by default. That doesn't mean to say he shouldn't express an opinion about the way he was managed on tour. It's not his fault someone selected him; he did his best and understandably feels that as part of the team he deserved some feedback or encouragement from the coaches. So much for the over-vaunted "team ethic". Maybe if he was "straight-talking" that explains his treatment.

Posted by brusselslion on (April 1, 2014, 11:14 GMT)

I have a soft spot for Carberry as he was badly treated at Surrey (nothing new there), and came back from serious injury to forge a decent career for himself at Hampshire: However, I did think that Compton should have gone to Oz ahead of Carbs, but all-in-all Carbs did OK. His figures weren't great but, as he points out, the Aussies remark that: "..you stood up through some serious spells" is an endorsement. The way that Compton and (seemingly) Carberry have been simply discarded without a by-your-leave, doesn't say much about the quality of the England management team at the moment.

Posted by   on (April 1, 2014, 11:12 GMT)

I don't think the ECB want to tell anyone why Pieterson was dropped. best batsmen on the tour. why he was not selected for the T20 world cup is even more baffling

Posted by RoBoBobster on (April 1, 2014, 10:08 GMT)

One/Two of the big names make a similar statement and a change may be forced.Anderson/ Bell are the key and if one of them complains the newer players may be able to back them up without fear. If KP has a good start to the season, and Cook a bad one...

Posted by DingDong420 on (April 1, 2014, 9:29 GMT)

Giles is a wet blanket, all he'll ever do is make excuses for why they lost with the usual positive bluff

Posted by   on (April 1, 2014, 9:18 GMT)

carberry was along with kp were the best batsman in aussie ashes series. and also should have been in both odi and t20 squads for England. his opinion has weight

Posted by   on (April 1, 2014, 9:16 GMT)

KP back in 2015 - WC and Ashes!

Posted by ThirteenthMan on (April 1, 2014, 9:03 GMT)

Carberry should not have gone to Australia...he isn't good enough. Now he has been discarded he fails to accept his inadequacy and shows a very chavvy attitude. Better off without him.

Posted by JackTrez on (April 1, 2014, 9:01 GMT)

@featurewriter "A Test average of 28 just doesn't cut it, my friend."


Posted by LillianThomson on (April 1, 2014, 8:48 GMT)

England are playing a very, very dangerous game.

The exclusion of their best player has discouraged quality coaches like Kirsten and Rixon from even applying for the job.

Ashley Giles will now be "The Chosen One" just like David Moyes at Manchester United, and just like Moyes he has no track record of winning anything to fall back upon.

The thing about good coaches is that they can tolerate diversity. You only have to go back one year to see Mitchell Johnson and Shane Watson marginalised and humiliated, whereas Lehmann has the skills and maturity to get the best out of them for the benefit of the team and the country.

What a shame that the people who control England's cricket lack the management skills of Lehmann and have had to discard their only world class player.

Posted by JG2704 on (April 1, 2014, 8:43 GMT)

@ EnglishSaint on (April 1, 2014, 8:12 GMT) He did play ODIs vs SL last year and TBH he didn't look the part at all. His SR was pedestrian so maybe that's why they thought he was better suited to the test game?

Posted by   on (April 1, 2014, 8:43 GMT)

Long may the Selectors, Giles and Flower hold the reins of 'Team' England, as for as long as they do English cricket will have the life squeezed out of it. It IS comedy gold however!! One illogical decision after another......Compton, Carberry, KP, Bell, Dernbach etc etc are just some of the many bizarre decisions that no rational person can explain. This is a 'New' Era though, or so we keep hearing. A new era where you don't question orders no matter how damaging, an era where team ethic (keeping your mouth shut) trumps ability and experience. A new era where form is temporary and ignorance of form is permanent. Can't wait for the next hilarious episode! Who pays these imbeciles??? Oh THATS right, it's US!!!

Posted by JG2704 on (April 1, 2014, 8:41 GMT)

@ Front-Foot-Lunge-Needs-A-Hug on (April 1, 2014, 7:04 GMT) No - JD is spot on with his comms. OK he may have been the 2nd highest run scorer in that series but it doesn't make his stats any on that tour any good does it? I do however think Carberry and Tremlett both know their England careers are probably over but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to speak out with fear of reprocussions

Posted by Hutton364 on (April 1, 2014, 8:38 GMT)

How they treat those on the periphery of selection...............

Good examples are Compton - who was treated appallingly and also blew his top and spoke to the media and Bairstow (!), who has been left hanging and lost a lot of confidence. Players perform when people have faith in them. England's lack of faith in Bairstow has been palpable and predictably he has gone backwards. Remember the 90-odd v Steyn and co at Lord's - what happened to that more self-expressive player? Bairstow has a lot of flair. He needs to be backed to play his natural attacking game.

And Finn - wow, another one who has gone backwards. How have England managed to undermine so many players' confidence?

A clue came in a recent discussion I had with a management consultant who trains people to work internationally. He said British managers are the worst in Europe at communicating. They are simply hopeless at giving feedback. England's management seems to fit the bill.

Posted by Manxmuppet on (April 1, 2014, 8:36 GMT)

I thought the dressing room was supposed to be a happy place now. Tremlett speaks out in favour of KP, Carberry speaks out in favour of KP and faces as long as a wet weekend in the England dugout as they got whooped by an associate nation in the WT20. Golly, imagine if the dressing room wasn't so happy.....

Posted by Green_and_Gold on (April 1, 2014, 8:32 GMT)

@John Duffield - So the 10,000 runs scored in first class cricket means nothing then? Lets also consider that Cook was made to look amateurish, Trott left and Swann left - these are your senior players and if these guys couldnt do well then its a bit harsh to criticize the new bloke.

Posted by Diaz54 on (April 1, 2014, 8:32 GMT)

I am not surprised Carberry for better response and feedback from his enemies the Aussies! For those who think Carberry did not play well must have been watching some other sport. He looked relatively comfortable against Johnson. To ask him to excel in his first important outing in these circumstances is very unreasonable when you have guys like Trott and Swann packing up! The way I look at it is Carberry is expendable and was given an impossible task.....knowing it did not matter.

Posted by EnglishSaint on (April 1, 2014, 8:12 GMT)

As a Hampshire fan I was very surprised to see Carbs in the Test team. A good solid player but never thought test standard. Then I was also surprised he did not play ODI and not selected for T20 world cup. In these formats his stats are amazing. England must go back to playing in form players in the format they excel. And form is not two good matches for a 'big' county !!!!!!!

Posted by   on (April 1, 2014, 7:59 GMT)

It has become obvious that straight talking doesn't cut it in the England dressing room. KP was invited to speak his mind in the Aussie tour and then discovered that frank talk was unacceptable. It seems bland talk keeps you part of the group-do not rock the boat at all costs. Well with that attitude nothing will change depite the ambitions of 'a fresh new approach' whatever that may mean apart from a promising soundbite.

Posted by jackiethepen on (April 1, 2014, 7:50 GMT)

I should have thought the answer was obvious. Not sure why the question was asked or why Giles didn't provide the answer. Carberry was brought into the ODI side when Cook was rested with Bell in Autumn 2013 after the first leg of the Ashes. KP was moved up the order from 4 to open with him. It was a bit of a disaster. After the second leg of the Ashes 2014 Cook and Bell returned to the side to open and KP was rested. Carberry hadn't earned any place in the ODI side after his poor performance in the autumn. The ODI side is separate from the Ashes team. In Trott's absence Root was moved up to 3 and Ballance was tried at 4. Carberry's best chance of international duty was a return as opener in the Test side because Root has still not nailed that place down. But by complaining Carberry is likely to have scuppered his chances. It is one thing supporting KP, it is another to attack the selectors.

Posted by ruester on (April 1, 2014, 7:49 GMT)

Just another indication of the little inner circle of power that has formed in the England set up. ECB spout on about the players being honest with themselves over performances, does Captain silent, does Silent. Flower, does incompetent Giles, does Pompous Clarke take a good hard look at how they perform? It does not seem so, if they did they would know who to blame. I am sure they read the thousands of negative comments written about them and think, what does that person know about cricket! Well many contributors to this sight have been following cricket for many decades and have played at varying levels, we do know that the current England set up is a shambles and the KP decision has backfired all mightily on them. I believe they thought the fans thought little of KP, but he may not be perfect but we all recognize his talent and match winning abilities, that is why there is such overwhelming support for him.

Posted by   on (April 1, 2014, 7:48 GMT)

This is coming from a man who has scored just two fifties in 17 international innings hardly awe inspiring and deservedly dropped

Posted by   on (April 1, 2014, 7:44 GMT)

I don't un-rate him but guys need to really click of they are going to have a decent career when debuting when greats of the past were almost retiring.

I thought he lost england the Melbourne test in the second dig. Would have dropped him after that.

Seems a good bloke. No shame to have played for England and done OK.

Posted by Big_Chikka on (April 1, 2014, 7:09 GMT)

sadly, very sadly for english cricket when some players speak the truth in public many supporters and administrators cannot accept their words. carberry did better than most, and deserved a honest answer! as long as this ridiculous idea of "in the group" remains players will under perform and get sick, sick of being in the so called group...........! time to take stock of poor communication and man management skills.

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge-Needs-A-Hug on (April 1, 2014, 7:04 GMT)

Read the article. Carberry was second leading run scorer. He didn't fly home because he was burnt out, he didn't retire, he didn't stop trying. Trott, Swann and pretty much everyone else did. @John Duffield, it is a good thing you are not a selector. If you think stats are the only measure of selection what do we need selectors for? What a silly comment.

Posted by   on (April 1, 2014, 7:02 GMT)

As things stand now more and more Enland players are speaking openly in favour of KP. Wonder where is Mr.Cook hiding.As usual sitting on the fence. Amazing why the selectors did not bother to ask opinion of players in the team or were they led astray by AF.

Posted by Farooq3 on (April 1, 2014, 6:47 GMT)

Not every one can handle world class talent - ECB is infested with mediocre players (barring Gooch!) who feel more comfortable working with average players that are their "yes" men!

ECB needs people like Michael Vaughn at the helm of affairs that have successfully nurtured raw world class talent like KP and Flintoff!

Time to wake up ECB before its too late - the world cup is just around the corner!

Posted by xylo on (April 1, 2014, 6:25 GMT)

I don't understand what Carberry found confusing about Giles' clear answer - If you don't know, mate, I sure as hell won't know. Giles is the force that will guide England to glory in the future.

Posted by   on (April 1, 2014, 6:07 GMT)

What about Samit Patel, chubby yes but also the right cricketer in these conditions. He did pretty well in India so why not give him a go here. He would have been better than parry, Ali and any other "spinner"

Posted by EdwinD on (April 1, 2014, 6:04 GMT)

Personally I thought Carberry batted very well early on in the Tests, and was unfortunate to have got out a couple of times to brilliant catches - certainly two that the English fielders wouldn't have got - but he seemed to get worse as the tour went on (which is a shame)....but then no other batsmen did well either.

Posted by   on (April 1, 2014, 5:55 GMT)

The blunt truth is that Carberry should never have been picked and he was never going to be good enough. In the two seasons leading up to be selected he scored only one second division century in two seasons! Only one! I still don't understand how he got anywhere near the England team off the back of such an appalling record. His inability to capitalise on solid starts and build big innings was horribly exposed at Test level and was utterly predictable considering his poor county form. Compton, Chopra and Nash all had much better records as openers in the County Championship and they were playing in Division 1! Carberry's selection really was confirmation that Andy Flower has started to lose the plot. Along with Bairstow, Borthwick, Tremlett and Finn Carberry shouldn't have been anywhere near the England XI. Gobbing off now is hardly going to help his cause. He was very lucky to have played for England in the first place.

Posted by drnaveed on (April 1, 2014, 5:48 GMT)

Eng went into the world T-20 event with a team that was not the best for the conditions available in BD. i mean , they thought that they were playing in Eng conditions and not on turning pitches in BD .they picked so many fast , medium fast bowlers in their side , and just a few spinners. it should have been the other way round. they didn't had any express fast bowler around 150 km speed , in their side ,who could had surprised the batsmen with his express pace , but they depended too much on those medium fast bowlers .in addition ,sorry to say , but their is no place for broad in the playing eleven ,i think ,without him ,Eng would have done slightly better. Eng could not feed the correct playing eleven , even uptill their last match. the other thing , it was a wrong decision not to pick KP, he is still their best player, he has class ,so is difficult to handle by the management ,but it is their work to handle him in a correct way, give respect and take respect for both the parties.

Posted by GlobalCricketLover on (April 1, 2014, 5:25 GMT)

@featurewriter, I dont know which rock age you live in, but in today's age it is a player's right to be told where he stands in their plans and more importantly 'why so'. He is not asking for him to picked, he is asking for update from his coach on what their plans are with him. If coach is not going to tell him this who else is supposed to do that? and why? No issue if the coach told what gaps they found in him and what he needs to do to be picked again.

Posted by amitgarg78 on (April 1, 2014, 5:25 GMT)

MC was one of the better performers on the tour. Yes, he didnt set the stage on fire, but then no English player really did. Even Stokes came in after all was already lost. And yet, there are people in English media such as Jonathan Agnew, who continue to question his place in the team. It does make you wonder how the setup goes up building a team. A workplace where there is no job security and transparency, can command no loyalty. People need to know the plan and where they fit in it. You certainly don't hope for the boss to tell you that he has no clues. If Giles wasn't the one making decisions on the ODI squad, who was? This just fuels the view that AF was still in charge with a remote in hand. As for KP, well... We know that no one in the establishment is going to come clean with specific details till October. I don't expect the senior decision makers in the setup to come out of it looking good. Bravo Tremlett and MC for your courage to speak out and ask questions.

Posted by soumyas on (April 1, 2014, 4:49 GMT)

definitely results wud have been different if KP and Root were there, I'm not sure abt Carberry, but looking at his performance he deserved a place more than Lumb...

Posted by notimeforcricket on (April 1, 2014, 4:43 GMT)

Carberry would have been a decent pick for the T20 World Cup. Always thought he was a solid battler. That said, I am sure Sam Robson will come in now so this will end his chances. It seems that Compton missed out for non cricketing reasons, Pietersen also. the comments from Tremlett and Carberry (both of whom can speak freely, knowing that they have virtually no chance of playing for England again). I cannot see how they can appoint Giles now. They have to go outside of the current group. We never know what actually goes on in teams. Even at club level 1 bad apple (however talented) can spoil everything. It seems, however, that the case against KP is not as strong as we thought. However, remember KP's knee has restricted his movement and he is not the player he was. I guess the view is that he is good enough to hold his place but only if he tows the line. He is more a guy who will chip in now rather than one who will dominate attacks

Posted by t20-2007 on (April 1, 2014, 4:29 GMT)

I guess if carberry didnt get any ans...then same could be said for trotty (sick),Root(ala Rohit sharma- talented but) and i'm not able to recall any othr player in Eng team who deserve to be mentioned

Posted by cloudmess on (April 1, 2014, 2:40 GMT)

Brave of Carberry to say all of this, as it will surely cut off any further opportunities at international level. But he sounds a good guy and it's just a pity he didn't get opportunities earlier in his career. Giles' response to his omission does make you wonder if he is simply been put into the coaching role as a puppet for Downton and Flower - and told exactly what to think and say. And - yet another England Ashes player, who no longer has need to worry about upsetting the management, gives his honest view on the KP sacking.

Posted by electric_loco_WAP4 on (April 1, 2014, 2:06 GMT)

At least Giles does'nt have ignominy of Ashes ww in his cv. That means he's better man manager than AF, no?Of course Eng have been beaten by Ned.But he didnt have KP to play with!-:)

Posted by Umair_umair on (April 1, 2014, 1:54 GMT)

May be its because that Tremlett and Carberry already think their careers are over, so thats why they are speaking out now. But still, by speaking even that much, they have effectively ended their any little bit of remaining career hopes too. That still says a lot. Expect more from the other Ashes squad members about KP when they retire from international duties.

Posted by   on (April 1, 2014, 1:51 GMT)

Dropping Pieterson was baffling but also there were some very uncomplimentary noises about Carberry from English media and fans which puzzled me. As an Australian I thought Carberry did what openers are supposed to do - he made the opposition work for his wicket while seeing off the bowlers at their most dangerous - he certainly out-batted Cook.

Posted by featurewriter on (April 1, 2014, 1:28 GMT)

A touch of arrogance there, Michael. Why do you deserve to be told anything by the coach or selection panel? They choose the players who will make them team, and then they have conversations with them. Does the unknown guy playing first-class cricket for Kent who wasn't selected deserve an answer too? Take a good hard look at your figures mate, your ODI and Test scores and averages aren't worthy of a call-up. I expected more out of you in Australia - and you sadly disappointed with a lack of technique and temperament at the top level. A Test average of 28 just doesn't cut it, my friend.

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