New Zealand in India 2012 August 21, 2012

Vettori's absence won't weaken New Zealand attack - Glenn Turner

ESPNcricinfo staff

The absence of left-arm spinner Daniel Vettori from New Zealand's Test squad won't have a huge effect on the outcome of the two Tests against India as he wasn't a primary wicket-taker in his team's attack, former New Zealand captain Glenn Turner has said. Vettori was ruled out of the Tests with a groin injury that he had picked up on the West Indies tour, where New Zealand lost the Tests and the limited-overs legs comprehensively. The first of the two Tests begins on Thursday in Hyderabad.

"Vettori has to bowl too many overs to take his wickets," Turner told DNA. "This is evidenced by his very high bowling strike rate of 79.6. He is very good at tying up an end, but needs wicket-takers at the other end to win games. His batting is useful, but his position in the order now appears to have settled in at No 7 or 8, positions that are less likely to make a significant difference."

Turner did not, however, feel it would be a cakewalk for India. "If the pitches take considerable turn, New Zealand will struggle. Their batsmen have still demonstrated an inability to bat for long enough periods to make big hundreds. Although India are obviously stronger, like most teams they are not immune from playing to the level of their opposition. Therefore, it would be unwise to write New Zealand off," Turner said.

Turner indicated New Zealand wouldn't be disadvantaged due to the lack of experience in their squad and the demoralising tour of the West Indies. "Experience can be overestimated when applied to both individuals and the assistance other current players are perceived to be able to pass on.

"I have little faith in the accuracy of making assumptions about collective mindsets (after the West indies tour). What I would say though, is that if individuals don't have good enough skills, they don't have genuine belief in their game, and all the positive talk is just mindless bluff."

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  • nitish on August 22, 2012, 7:20 GMT

    Completly agree as his strike rate has alwaz been on d higher side..last evn he tied down indain batsman bt it was crish martain's spell at amehadab which caused concern 4 india..

  • Anver on August 22, 2012, 5:30 GMT

    But i don't agree 100% ...... on Indian soil Vettori will be handy & he has shown that in the past, so i wonder NZ will miss him for this series too !!!!!

  • Jay on August 22, 2012, 5:07 GMT

    @MattyP1979: You got a point there. Dan 'The Man' Vettori has been a shadow of his former self lately. He's become more of a containing bowler than wicket taker. I wonder why. He's also been injured a lot the last couple of years. It's sad NZ won't have his services for the tests. But he will come back in time for the T20 fixture. I don't see any point in that. However, Vettori the batsman will be certainly missed by the kiwis. He's been their prolific run getter for some time now. Reminds me a lot about India's own Harbhajan Singh, who IMO is becoming more of a lower order batsman than the lethal off spinner he once was.

  • Akhil on August 22, 2012, 4:05 GMT

    @MattyP1979 - Guessing the 2-0 loss hasn't sunk in yet? And when you say "inability with the ball" - to an extent true in recent times when they play on pace/swing friendly pitches but i highly doubt that will be the case in home conditions. Eng will get its biggest bum whooping ever come this november. Just sayin

  • Dummy4 on August 22, 2012, 2:42 GMT

    Well said Turner, ultimately a lot boils down to the ability of individual players. This was open for all to see during the 8-0 drubbing india got in away tours of eng and aus.

  • Mathew on August 22, 2012, 1:26 GMT

    DV has been a force for NZ, but never IMHO a match winner (especially of late). NZ might struggle in these tests to dismiss Ind. Hope for a good series. NZ should take heart in their oppositions inabilty with the ball and all the pressure is on them.

  • Dummy4 on August 22, 2012, 1:25 GMT

    Hey, Strokerkiwi. You are so right: cricket is awesome!

  • Conrad on August 22, 2012, 0:26 GMT

    I'm a big NZ supporter, but I get the feeling some players have a reasonable performance every third game and that seems to be enough to warrant their selection on a regular basis. They should only stay selected on the basis they have the odd bad game, not the odd good game! On the latest results, Guptil and Boult would be the only sure places. On saying that, this line-up but for missing Gillespie and a second genuine opener, is about as good as NZ can front at the moment.

  • Andrew on August 22, 2012, 0:25 GMT

    I would suggest that saying that Vettori's absence won't weaken the bowling, is a bit of a slap in the face to Dan! Probably will weaken the batting at least!

  • Dummy4 on August 21, 2012, 22:04 GMT

    I feel that if New Zealand grinds it out for two days, India will lose its composure. The same 'whitewash' saga went around when New Zealand toured India last time around; but as we know it, we had two boring draws!

    Indian bowlers cannot take 20 wickets, unless the opponents gift it to them. Our bowling attack is a big fat zero, perhaps even worse than the Kiwis.

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