Ireland news November 9, 2010

Joyce cleared to represent Ireland at World Cup

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Former England batsman Ed Joyce has been cleared to represent Ireland at the World Cup in February next year after being granted a special dispensation by the ICC. However, ex-New Zealand international Hamish Marshall's request to be allowed to play has been denied, meaning he won't be eligible to play for Ireland until April.

Both players last played international cricket for their respective former countries at the 2007 edition of the World Cup, and under normal ICC regulations would not have become eligible to play for Ireland in official ODIs until April next year. Looking to strengthen their squad, Ireland asked the ICC earlier this year to allow a slight shortening of the usual four-year qualification period to allow both to take part in the World Cup.

"Ed was granted permission for his four-year standout period to be slightly reduced so that he could compete in the World Cup," explained an ICC spokesperson. "This was done on the basis of exceptional circumstances and the unique facts of his specific case, which included his Irish background and his very strong ties to Irish cricket from childhood up to senior national representation."

"It's obviously tremendous news," said Joyce, who had already joined Ireland on a pre-World Cup training camp in India. "Playing for Ireland again is something I've given a lot of thought to over the last few years and to be given the opportunity to do so, a little earlier than expected and on the biggest stage, is absolutely fantastic.

"Having seen the talent and work ethic of the squad over the last week or so in India, I feel Ireland will, once again, make a huge impact at the World Cup and I look forward to hopefully offering a lot to the team in the tournament and the whole of 2011."

Joyce, 32, was one of Ireland's strongest batsmen at ICC Trophy level, scoring 758 runs in 14 matches between 2001 and 2005 at an average of 84.22. He had played in 50 games for Ireland - the last of which was in the ICC Trophy final against Scotland in July 2005 - before he switched allegiance to England and made his one-day international debut against his former team at Belfast in June 2006.

"It's a huge boost to have Ed available for the World Cup, adding to the selectors' headaches in an already strong squad - but that's a nice problem to have," said Ireland coach Phil Simmons. "Of course, it would have been fantastic to have both Ed and Hamish available, but it's not to be.

"I've seen first hand over the past 10 days here in Pune just what hard working and talented players both are. Their dediciation and professionalism is evident for all to see, and everyone has responded positively to their being with us. I feel very sorry for Hamish, but this squad will be at other big tournaments - of that I'm certain."

Marshall, 31, was born in Auckland and played the last of 66 ODIs against Ireland at the 2007 World Cup. He subsequently turned down a New Zealand contract so that he could continue his county career with Gloucestershire as a non-overseas player and also joined the ICL. But in April this year he made clear his intentions to qualify for Ireland as an Irish passport holder, and is also eyeing a coaching role in Irish cricket.

"Cricket Ireland is delighted to welcome back Ed to the fold again, and we are sure he will make a massive contribution to the squad," said chief executive Warren Deutrom. "We regret that Hamish has missed out on this occasion, but we have no doubt he will play a huge part in future World Cups and we are looking forward to him taking the field against England at the RSA Challenge ODI next August in Dublin.

"We would like to thank the ICC for its positive consideration of the case for Ed, and express our special appreciation to both the England and Wales Cricket Board and New Zealand Cricket for their great cooperation and generosity throughout this process in terms of facilitating Ireland to have its best possible squad at the sport's showcase event."

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  • on November 16, 2010, 4:35 GMT

    I'm glad to see Ed Joyce back in Irish colours, he will obviously provide a big boost to their batting at the World Cup. His experience will be invaluable for the future and I hope he stays with Irish cricket in a coaching role once finished, I'm sure he could teach the young players a lot about cricket. As for Marshall, it is a little disappointing he has missed out, but at the same time it is completely understandable that the ICC has denied his request to be made available for Ireland. Although he will provide valuable experience for Ireland in the near future as a player and particularly as a coach. With Ed Joyce being made available, Ireland suddenly look like a formidable opponent for any competition. They won't be push overs again in 2011, and I will not be surprised to see a few upsets in the World Cup.

  • Sportsscientist on November 15, 2010, 0:30 GMT

    sipower - I agree with everything you say. The ICC cannot expect the game to survive in its present state with only a hadful of top nations involved. Their continuous courting of the USA proves that they're worried......looking for a big nation with a large marketable population to buy into cricket. They should not ignore a smaller passionate nation on their doorstep dying to get in and be apart of the test arena, with a team that is far superior. I believe cricket scotland are launching a 3-day competition for 2011??? They aren't waiting on the ICC and using their own know how to do so. William Duetrom take note - don't wait on the ICC.....get things going yourself & the Test status will come.

  • sipower on November 14, 2010, 3:38 GMT

    Sportsscientist you are right of course ... Ireland needs to have a base to work from. The (credit where due) fantastic high level coaching does not presume a lower level take-up. But its an unusual situation - Ireland WAS huge in cricket until 1930 - it was THE game - its not now ... and by rights should have no makeup but the excelllent leadership and coaching means it is possible to build the game from the top - all the Irish underage teams have been great for about 8 years now (and you can tell with the senior performances and the great kids). So what do we do now? Ireland have been good for 10 years excellent in the last 5 .... junior teams great - national game non existant ...its tricky ... BUT if the ICC handle it right Ireland could add to the global game .... we have the coaching and the players and a track record over a number of years which means we will continue to add Dockrells and Stirlings - I dont know what the answer is but it would be a waste if the ICC dont use it

  • tfjones1978 on November 13, 2010, 2:15 GMT

    Cricket needs international & domestic overhall to improve the system. (1) Test cricket should be 12 team comp (inc Zimb, Ireland & Assoc XI) over 4 years with bottom team switching with ICup winner @ 2 years (exc Assoc XI). (2) Players from non-test countries play in "Assoc XI" test team. (3) Playing for Assoc country requires 4 years waiting to play for full member. (4) Domestic cricket should be played regionally instead of country based with tiers of 8 teams that move up/down each year. 6+ teams per full member, 1-3 teams per assoc member. (5) ICup 5 days. A Teams, Associate or unofficial full member tests over 3+ days classified as "Test A" (level between Test & First class). (6) ODI cricket league of 10 full & 6 assoc teams, top 8 teams qualify for ODI WC & next 4 play WCL Div 2 in 10 team eliminator qualifiers for 2 ODI WC spots (7) T20 WC of 32 teams (8 grps 4=>2 grps 4=>Semi=>Final, games delayed until rained matches finished), 100 team qualifiers exc host top 7 in last T20 WC

  • Sportsscientist on November 11, 2010, 23:28 GMT

    sipower - I feel it for Ireland. Not only from a moral stand point, but as a cricket fan. The game will only grow if the world embraces the game. More nations need to play test cricket for the game to grow. If Ireland want to be taken seriously somethinghas to be done domestically. Why isn't multi-day cricket being played in Ireland? There needs to be an Irish semi-pro multi-day tournament. Also, is there an economic capacity to sustain cricket? Could they host ODI matches in front of big crowds? Would a TV station sponsor/screen matches??? The ICC are not helping.......so Ireland need to help themselves.

  • sipower on November 11, 2010, 3:05 GMT

    There is an easy solution ... give Ireland test status then if Rankin/Porterfield/Dockrell go then we know that they want to win and not just play tests and this conversation dies. In the meantime we think other countries (England so far) are just trying to use Ireland as a feeder club. Within the rules - fair enough. And as an Irish fan thats all I am asking .... give us the "how" to become a test nation and we will work to get there - once that happens we still may lose players (e.g Pieterson type situation) but understandable .. what is unacceptable is being used to train and expose players to international competition and then creaming off the top. It hurts not just Irish cricket but global cricket .... sort it out ....

  • on November 11, 2010, 1:41 GMT

    @WASPUSA, he said there is no chance he will go back, well I believe he won't now...

  • Sportsscientist on November 11, 2010, 0:18 GMT

    bobagorof - your right about the regulations. Because scot, wales, eng, & N.ire are part of the UK. If you are born in ANY of those countries you share the same passport, so it's easier to get players born outside england, but inside the UK - as associates nations scot & ire are in tricky situation. County cricket can fast track & develop their most talented players. But also England can easily poach then because there is no separate residency laws/passport nationality. This makes ireland & scotland's situation unique. Ireland now have a pool of cricketers playing on the county circuit in england - so they need to keep them to progress to test status

  • eire on November 10, 2010, 23:11 GMT

    @WACPUSA joyce stated that he would not return to play for england again if thy came calling in a recent interview....After a man of the match performance in a CB40 trophy match during the summer the interviewer asked did he think this form could get him bak in the england squad and he replied that he was not interested....Remember Joyce was born n bred in South Dublin and is a 100% irish, and for the majority irish people do not like english sporting teams...Morgan is a little diff cos he has an english mum....Joyce only decided to play for eng to play test cricket and ireland were nowhere near this point;however ireland have developed grtly since then

  • Philly.rocks on November 10, 2010, 21:34 GMT

    How on earth these team want to be succeeded. Someone failed to get a chance in another country and they go grab him. Where is the core group of players who can replace one one or two selfish individuals who leave their country for money. If you can not build that core group of players it will remain as a day dream to compete at elite level. Forget about crying for Morgan and co. Ed Joyce went to play for Eng leaving IRE, now he shouldnt be allowed to play for IRE for the sake of young Irish players who filled the vacancy with patriotism not greedy of Ed. And ICC's role in this case seems to be confusing. If you have a rule then why not stick with the rule and you are breaking your own rule for an individual which will create a very bad example for the cricket boards to dominate on ICC.

  • on November 16, 2010, 4:35 GMT

    I'm glad to see Ed Joyce back in Irish colours, he will obviously provide a big boost to their batting at the World Cup. His experience will be invaluable for the future and I hope he stays with Irish cricket in a coaching role once finished, I'm sure he could teach the young players a lot about cricket. As for Marshall, it is a little disappointing he has missed out, but at the same time it is completely understandable that the ICC has denied his request to be made available for Ireland. Although he will provide valuable experience for Ireland in the near future as a player and particularly as a coach. With Ed Joyce being made available, Ireland suddenly look like a formidable opponent for any competition. They won't be push overs again in 2011, and I will not be surprised to see a few upsets in the World Cup.

  • Sportsscientist on November 15, 2010, 0:30 GMT

    sipower - I agree with everything you say. The ICC cannot expect the game to survive in its present state with only a hadful of top nations involved. Their continuous courting of the USA proves that they're worried......looking for a big nation with a large marketable population to buy into cricket. They should not ignore a smaller passionate nation on their doorstep dying to get in and be apart of the test arena, with a team that is far superior. I believe cricket scotland are launching a 3-day competition for 2011??? They aren't waiting on the ICC and using their own know how to do so. William Duetrom take note - don't wait on the ICC.....get things going yourself & the Test status will come.

  • sipower on November 14, 2010, 3:38 GMT

    Sportsscientist you are right of course ... Ireland needs to have a base to work from. The (credit where due) fantastic high level coaching does not presume a lower level take-up. But its an unusual situation - Ireland WAS huge in cricket until 1930 - it was THE game - its not now ... and by rights should have no makeup but the excelllent leadership and coaching means it is possible to build the game from the top - all the Irish underage teams have been great for about 8 years now (and you can tell with the senior performances and the great kids). So what do we do now? Ireland have been good for 10 years excellent in the last 5 .... junior teams great - national game non existant ...its tricky ... BUT if the ICC handle it right Ireland could add to the global game .... we have the coaching and the players and a track record over a number of years which means we will continue to add Dockrells and Stirlings - I dont know what the answer is but it would be a waste if the ICC dont use it

  • tfjones1978 on November 13, 2010, 2:15 GMT

    Cricket needs international & domestic overhall to improve the system. (1) Test cricket should be 12 team comp (inc Zimb, Ireland & Assoc XI) over 4 years with bottom team switching with ICup winner @ 2 years (exc Assoc XI). (2) Players from non-test countries play in "Assoc XI" test team. (3) Playing for Assoc country requires 4 years waiting to play for full member. (4) Domestic cricket should be played regionally instead of country based with tiers of 8 teams that move up/down each year. 6+ teams per full member, 1-3 teams per assoc member. (5) ICup 5 days. A Teams, Associate or unofficial full member tests over 3+ days classified as "Test A" (level between Test & First class). (6) ODI cricket league of 10 full & 6 assoc teams, top 8 teams qualify for ODI WC & next 4 play WCL Div 2 in 10 team eliminator qualifiers for 2 ODI WC spots (7) T20 WC of 32 teams (8 grps 4=>2 grps 4=>Semi=>Final, games delayed until rained matches finished), 100 team qualifiers exc host top 7 in last T20 WC

  • Sportsscientist on November 11, 2010, 23:28 GMT

    sipower - I feel it for Ireland. Not only from a moral stand point, but as a cricket fan. The game will only grow if the world embraces the game. More nations need to play test cricket for the game to grow. If Ireland want to be taken seriously somethinghas to be done domestically. Why isn't multi-day cricket being played in Ireland? There needs to be an Irish semi-pro multi-day tournament. Also, is there an economic capacity to sustain cricket? Could they host ODI matches in front of big crowds? Would a TV station sponsor/screen matches??? The ICC are not helping.......so Ireland need to help themselves.

  • sipower on November 11, 2010, 3:05 GMT

    There is an easy solution ... give Ireland test status then if Rankin/Porterfield/Dockrell go then we know that they want to win and not just play tests and this conversation dies. In the meantime we think other countries (England so far) are just trying to use Ireland as a feeder club. Within the rules - fair enough. And as an Irish fan thats all I am asking .... give us the "how" to become a test nation and we will work to get there - once that happens we still may lose players (e.g Pieterson type situation) but understandable .. what is unacceptable is being used to train and expose players to international competition and then creaming off the top. It hurts not just Irish cricket but global cricket .... sort it out ....

  • on November 11, 2010, 1:41 GMT

    @WASPUSA, he said there is no chance he will go back, well I believe he won't now...

  • Sportsscientist on November 11, 2010, 0:18 GMT

    bobagorof - your right about the regulations. Because scot, wales, eng, & N.ire are part of the UK. If you are born in ANY of those countries you share the same passport, so it's easier to get players born outside england, but inside the UK - as associates nations scot & ire are in tricky situation. County cricket can fast track & develop their most talented players. But also England can easily poach then because there is no separate residency laws/passport nationality. This makes ireland & scotland's situation unique. Ireland now have a pool of cricketers playing on the county circuit in england - so they need to keep them to progress to test status

  • eire on November 10, 2010, 23:11 GMT

    @WACPUSA joyce stated that he would not return to play for england again if thy came calling in a recent interview....After a man of the match performance in a CB40 trophy match during the summer the interviewer asked did he think this form could get him bak in the england squad and he replied that he was not interested....Remember Joyce was born n bred in South Dublin and is a 100% irish, and for the majority irish people do not like english sporting teams...Morgan is a little diff cos he has an english mum....Joyce only decided to play for eng to play test cricket and ireland were nowhere near this point;however ireland have developed grtly since then

  • Philly.rocks on November 10, 2010, 21:34 GMT

    How on earth these team want to be succeeded. Someone failed to get a chance in another country and they go grab him. Where is the core group of players who can replace one one or two selfish individuals who leave their country for money. If you can not build that core group of players it will remain as a day dream to compete at elite level. Forget about crying for Morgan and co. Ed Joyce went to play for Eng leaving IRE, now he shouldnt be allowed to play for IRE for the sake of young Irish players who filled the vacancy with patriotism not greedy of Ed. And ICC's role in this case seems to be confusing. If you have a rule then why not stick with the rule and you are breaking your own rule for an individual which will create a very bad example for the cricket boards to dominate on ICC.

  • WASPUSA on November 10, 2010, 19:57 GMT

    How long do you think it would take for Joyce to jump ship if England came calling again? My guess is not long. International sport has become exactly like club/franchise sport with players moving from team to team at will.

  • eire on November 10, 2010, 18:44 GMT

    also i must say im delighted that joyce is again representing ireland...the country where he learned the game,where he was born n the country where he grew up.

    This would be my Irish line-up for the world cup:1) WTS Porterfield - Bating + Captain 2) PR Stirling - Bating + Bowling 3) Ed Joyce - Bating 4) NJ O'Brien - Bating + Wicket keeping 5) Gary Wilson - Batting 6) KJ O'Brien - Bating + Bowling 7) John Mooney - Batting + bowling 8) Alex Cusack - Bating + Bowling 9) DT Johnston - Bowling + Bating 10) GH Dockrell - Bowling 11) Boyd Rankin -Bowling

  • eire on November 10, 2010, 18:38 GMT

    Both Morgan n Joyce have tried their luck wid England to play tests.Thy were allowed changed allegiances in a few wks

    This will remain the case as 1 of the requirements of test status is to be able to support a domestic 1st class structure which would have to be fully professional. They will never be able to support a pro league either, as even in their popular/mainstream sports this does not occur. The GAA is amateur, their football league is semi-pro n their rugby teams play in a joint Irish/Welsh/Scotish/Italian. The simple demographics of the countries dont allow it.

    They are continuing to produce players good enuf for 1st class cricket.For example 4 players under21 have signed pro contracts wid counties in the last yr.

    Thus Cricket Ireland find themselves in the ultimate catch 22 situation; if thy produce any world class players they will leave,while those left cannot gain test status. ICC give Ireland some funding/help so that they can become the 11th test nation.

  • on November 10, 2010, 16:56 GMT

    @ W0mbat I have no problem with player playing for different countries if their not needed by their present country, for example Trent Johnston has stated he knows he's not good enough for Australia, but he got a chance with Ireland,

    there is a big difference I think with players trying to just play for a country, and then players who are a better class of player and going to play for a country,

    also you're right about these guys getting their skills over in the UK, England do sniff around these players, Boyd Rankin being called up for the ECB's enhanced England Performance Programme...

  • delboy on November 10, 2010, 14:09 GMT

    Go get him IRELAND:

    http://www.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/player/43860.html

  • StevieS on November 10, 2010, 13:36 GMT

    No problems James Mark, give Marshall the option of giving away his NZ citizenship and password and play for Ireland, yeah didnt think so.

  • on November 10, 2010, 13:30 GMT

    @Trickstar, you're right nobody forced him to play for England, but there is the option there for the better players to play for England if they want to, I just don't see how Ireland can get better as a team if their best players are being approached,

    if Ireland were to have Morgan or even just bring Marshall and Joyce in, I think we could compete with the West Indies, Pakistan, New Zealand, Bangladesh, in a Test Match, and you could argue to include England into that list...

  • W0mbat on November 10, 2010, 9:11 GMT

    I'm getting pretty fed up of these lazy comments about England 'stealing' all the Irish players. They are not forced to play for England, they choose to. Just like they choose to come to England to earn a living and develop their skills playing cricket. If the ICC want to change the rules then fine, but stop laying it all at England's door. It happens in all sports. The Eire football team has picked loads of English players with loose Irish connections over the years, and the All Blacks often pick players that originate from outside New Zealand. If they found some decent cricket players in Fiji they'd soon be on the plane to play for another country. Just stop the whining

  • kausrosy on November 10, 2010, 8:07 GMT

    I THINK RULE SHOULD BE CHANGED HERE,ONCE YOU PLAYED A TEST MATCH FOR ANY NATION THEN YOU CAN,T REPRESENT ANY OTHER NATION ANY TYPE OF GAME....AND ALSO ITS A QUITE HORRIBLE PRECEDENT SET BY THE ENGLAND BOARD TO PICK THE PLAYERS FROM OTHER COUNTRIES,THEY SHOULD ALSO BE GIVEN A CHANCE TO GROW AROUND THAT PLAYER..

  • on November 10, 2010, 7:16 GMT

    BoomBoomAdnan Bollinger never played for the Netherlands. But I think it should be fair that players can't just change allegiances. Where would we be if players could change counties as easy as changing clubs

  • on November 10, 2010, 6:08 GMT

    Eoin morgan should be given some sort of ultimatum.So these kind of problems can be kept away in future.He might face the same.

  • on November 10, 2010, 5:46 GMT

    This is ridiculous. Why in the first place England was even allowed to pick the players from other nations. Gavin Hamilton is another example. He played for Scotland and then for England and then again for Scotland. Ireland has already lost Eoin Morgan. England should not be allowed to ruin other teams. How will they ever grow?

  • cricket2011 on November 10, 2010, 5:31 GMT

    My Dream Team 2010 world cup.

    1) WTS Porterfield - Bating + Captain 2) PR Stirling - Bating + Bowling 3) Hamish Marshall - Bating 4) Eoin Morgan - Bating 5) Ed Joyce - Bating 6) NJ O'Brien - Bating + Wicket keeping 7) KJ O'Brien - Bating + Bowling 8) Alex Cusack - Bating + Bowling 9) DT Johnston - Bowling + Bating 10) GH Dockrell - Bowling 11) Boyd Rankin -Bowling

    Back up members. 1) John Mooney - Batsman 2) Andrew White - Batsman 3) Gary Wilson - Batsman + WK 4) Peter Connell -Bowler 5) Andre Botha - All rounder

    Hope this will like you.

  • on November 10, 2010, 5:24 GMT

    Hamish holds an Irish Passport , this should goto court.

  • on November 10, 2010, 4:59 GMT

    that is pretty lame that they aren't letting Marshall play, as an NZ-er I don't see any harm in that. If anything it'd help an underpowered nation at least be able to compete a bit better. Good to see Joyce got selected, can't believe England don't pick him, I reckon he is awesome. Maybe there's something there that I don't know about?

  • ahamedirshad123 on November 10, 2010, 4:11 GMT

    @ BoomBoomAdnan: It's not bollinger,It's dirk nannes

  • bobagorof on November 10, 2010, 3:06 GMT

    BoomBoomAdnan, I think you're referring to Dirk Nannes, not Bollinger. The issue in his case was that he wasn't being selected by his first choice - Australia - and decided to play for another country that he was eligible for. But the rules should be applied consistently - if an associate country has a qualification period applied to players after they play for another country, then so should Test nations. As Sportsscientist incidated, England can pick an Irish-born player for their team without any qualification period. This situation does seem to be peculiar to Ireland though, and I think it has to do with Ireland's inclusion in the UK. However, the rules should be clarified/modified so that they are consistent across all countries, so that Ireland is not discriminated against and having their players poached.

  • Nerk on November 10, 2010, 2:00 GMT

    I think these problems could be bipassed if players like Joyce and Morgan could play test cricket for England, yet still retain the option to play for Ireland in ODI and 2020. And the reason why Joyce and not Marshall is because Joyce has been involved in Irish cricket all his life, having been born and raised there. Marshall on the other hand was born and raised in NZ, and only recently been involved in Irish cricket. I would like to see Marshall back with the Kiwis, because they need more batsmen of his calibre in their ranks.

  • andrew.henshaw on November 10, 2010, 1:54 GMT

    My Ireland WC XI (dependent on injuries/# of spinners) : 1. p stirling, 2. w porterfield, 3. e joyce, 4. n obrien, 5. g wilson, 6. k obrien, 7. a cusack / a white, 8. t johnston, 9. a botha / van der merwe, 10. g dockrell, 11. b rankin

  • Trickstar on November 10, 2010, 1:14 GMT

    @Colm Mooney I was always under the impression that Joyce choose to play for England to further his career, no body made him do anything and could have been always playing for Ireland if he wanted to,but he didn't.

  • Keith.Parker2 on November 10, 2010, 0:23 GMT

    Just to correct BoomBoomAdnan it was Dirk Nannes not Bollinger who played for Netherlands and then Australia

  • on November 10, 2010, 0:12 GMT

    i think you mean nannes, adnan. but agreed, it is strange that there are rules for some but not for others. if ireland get test status, they should be immediately allowed to regain all players from test playing nations i.e. eoin morgan

  • Meety on November 9, 2010, 23:55 GMT

    AS A THOUGHT - why not introduce a transfer fee for players swapping countries, like in Soccer. This would be to offset a shorter a qualification period. In the case of Joyce, the ECB could pay Ireland $500k for developing him. This is a win/win in that Ireland gets much needed funds to develop their talent, Joyce gets a big fat ECB contract, Ireland's profile is raised, cricket's profile in Ireland is raised, ECB boost their playing depth, & the world gets to see more diversity. I would not like to see this go mad, & it would have to be reversed engineered so that if say Brad Hodge wanted to play for Scotland, the Scots wouldn't have to pay $500k to Oz, but Hodge would have to serve a qualification period. If Joyce returned to Ireland - there would be NO Transfer payment required.

  • Meety on November 9, 2010, 23:52 GMT

    @BoomBoomAdnan - the player you are thinking of is Nannes. This arrangement worked in favour of the Netherlands as Nannes wasn't selected by Oz for the previous T20 w/cup. Then Nannes was a star & has been selected for Oz, this has been a win/win - as Nannes had not really qualified for the Netherlands in the first place - but had some heritage loop hole that allowed him to play. @Sportsscientist - agreed re: "If england wanted to pick Ed Joyce again, they would not have to wait 4 years to be selected" - you should not have to have a qualification period to play for your country of Origin.

  • andrew.henshaw on November 9, 2010, 23:46 GMT

    Great to see Joyce back. Im not too fussed about Marshall to be honest as playing him would have taken away a spot from a player developed in the irish system.

  • Rezaul on November 9, 2010, 23:45 GMT

    Is it a free pass for British Irish? whenever you wish to play for a country and you are given clearance, wow ICC, WOW! You turned down the rule to allow an individual to play for IRE. Imagine a same case from a player in Kenya or UAE or Barmuda. I bet you, the player in that case would not be given clearance by breaking the rule.

  • Meety on November 9, 2010, 23:43 GMT

    I am shocked to say - I think the ICC got it right his time! Joyce was a no-brainer, I think returning to your country of origin should require a shorter qualification period - if at all. Marshall on the other hand is a NZ player & rightly should have to wait 4 years to qualify for Ireland. @Warren Smith - agreed re: talent. My only gripe about the Poms pilfering their players are that they should be allowed to return to Ireland as soon as not required. If Ireland were to be granted Test status today, I feel that E Morgan should be required to play for Ireland straight away. Players like Morgan & Joyce made very good business decisions. @Colm Mooney & Neutral Fan - Players have a 4yr qualification to go from Ireland to England, Marshall hasn't served his 4 yrs from NZ. Back in the 80s Hick had to wait 4 or 5 yrs to play for England, from Zimbabwe, @ the time he had just scored 400+ in a county game. It does cut both ways.

  • thewayitwass on November 9, 2010, 23:13 GMT

    Ed joyce is a disgrace has no national pride, switched to england for the money, got dumped and now crawls back to ireland coz england dumped his sorry a**.

  • BoomBoomAdnan on November 9, 2010, 21:43 GMT

    icc shud allow non test playing nations to b able to get playesr from other countries and not the other way around bollinger was playing for netherlands one week and for australia the next

  • Sportsscientist on November 9, 2010, 21:01 GMT

    The rules and regulations would dictate that getting Marshall clearance to play for Ireland would be difficult, especialy coming from another test nation.....suppose Ireland were to beat new zealand this winter????? and marshall takes decisive wickets/catches, or scores a hundred........what would people say then???........Clive Lloyd would have been forced to consider this & I am sure that there would have been pressure for him not to let Hamish play for Ireland so soon. Morally the bigger picture is why do the eledgibility rules benefit full test members and handicapp associates. If england wanted to pick Ed Joyce again, they would not have to wait 4 years to be selected, and that cannot be right. How can Ireland grow as a potential test nation??? I wish Both would have represneted Ireland at the world cup....and I hope Ireland get test status very soon.

  • on November 9, 2010, 19:17 GMT

    It's a pity about Marshall, and you're 100% correct _NEUTRAL_Fan_, why does Ireland get it's players taken from it's team and sent to England, and when we need to boost our squad we can't get any real help,

    I just can't wait to see Joyce back in the team, and I hope he scores some big runs in the World Cup and after...

  • QingdaoXI on November 9, 2010, 18:03 GMT

    WHY HAMISH AND WHY NOT JAMES

  • pianofan on November 9, 2010, 17:18 GMT

    They should have allowed Marshall to play also

  • _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on November 9, 2010, 16:46 GMT

    I don't know why they couldn't make an exception for Marshall. Ire gets its talent sucked but can't get an allowance to boost its squad? ICC really doesn't care for Ire much do they?

  • SurlyCynic on November 9, 2010, 16:35 GMT

    Yes, teams like Ireland should have their strongest team available but this chopping and changing of teams is a joke. The ICC should spread some more of their millions around to the DESERVING smaller teams so they can keep more of their best players and improve.

  • on November 9, 2010, 16:05 GMT

    Good that Ed returns to Ireland. He is a good player.

  • M400 on November 9, 2010, 16:04 GMT

    Great to see Ed Joyce back in the Irish team should make a huge contribution. Good Luck Ireland in 2011 hope to see some upsets once again.

  • on November 9, 2010, 15:49 GMT

    I really believe that Ireland have the talent to become a serious cricketing nation. If only Enlgand wouldt stop using them for their own ends and the BCCI under the guise if the ICC would allow another non asian country to become a test playing nation.

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  • on November 9, 2010, 15:49 GMT

    I really believe that Ireland have the talent to become a serious cricketing nation. If only Enlgand wouldt stop using them for their own ends and the BCCI under the guise if the ICC would allow another non asian country to become a test playing nation.

  • M400 on November 9, 2010, 16:04 GMT

    Great to see Ed Joyce back in the Irish team should make a huge contribution. Good Luck Ireland in 2011 hope to see some upsets once again.

  • on November 9, 2010, 16:05 GMT

    Good that Ed returns to Ireland. He is a good player.

  • SurlyCynic on November 9, 2010, 16:35 GMT

    Yes, teams like Ireland should have their strongest team available but this chopping and changing of teams is a joke. The ICC should spread some more of their millions around to the DESERVING smaller teams so they can keep more of their best players and improve.

  • _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on November 9, 2010, 16:46 GMT

    I don't know why they couldn't make an exception for Marshall. Ire gets its talent sucked but can't get an allowance to boost its squad? ICC really doesn't care for Ire much do they?

  • pianofan on November 9, 2010, 17:18 GMT

    They should have allowed Marshall to play also

  • QingdaoXI on November 9, 2010, 18:03 GMT

    WHY HAMISH AND WHY NOT JAMES

  • on November 9, 2010, 19:17 GMT

    It's a pity about Marshall, and you're 100% correct _NEUTRAL_Fan_, why does Ireland get it's players taken from it's team and sent to England, and when we need to boost our squad we can't get any real help,

    I just can't wait to see Joyce back in the team, and I hope he scores some big runs in the World Cup and after...

  • Sportsscientist on November 9, 2010, 21:01 GMT

    The rules and regulations would dictate that getting Marshall clearance to play for Ireland would be difficult, especialy coming from another test nation.....suppose Ireland were to beat new zealand this winter????? and marshall takes decisive wickets/catches, or scores a hundred........what would people say then???........Clive Lloyd would have been forced to consider this & I am sure that there would have been pressure for him not to let Hamish play for Ireland so soon. Morally the bigger picture is why do the eledgibility rules benefit full test members and handicapp associates. If england wanted to pick Ed Joyce again, they would not have to wait 4 years to be selected, and that cannot be right. How can Ireland grow as a potential test nation??? I wish Both would have represneted Ireland at the world cup....and I hope Ireland get test status very soon.

  • BoomBoomAdnan on November 9, 2010, 21:43 GMT

    icc shud allow non test playing nations to b able to get playesr from other countries and not the other way around bollinger was playing for netherlands one week and for australia the next