MCC news December 15, 2010

MCC recommends lie detector tests

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The MCC World Cricket Committee has recommended that the laws of the game be amended in a bid to rid the sport of corruption, and has called for the use of lie detector tests to reinforce the need for transparency in the wake of the spot-fixing scandal that erupted during Pakistan's tour of England in August.

Following a two-day meeting in Perth ahead of the third Ashes Test, the club's working party, including two former Ashes-winning captains in Steve Waugh and Mike Brearley, issued a statement containing a wide range of proposals including "the legalising and regulating of betting markets in India as proposed by the Delhi Court; the length of bans; non-selection of tainted players; the possible use of lie detector tests; the provision of integrity officers; and the inclusion of anti-corruption clauses in all professional playing contracts in all countries."

"The greatest issue facing the game right now is match-fixing," said Waugh. "How can we make players more accountable for their actions? Personally, I think if you've not done anything wrong, why wouldn't you want to have a lie detector test? You can't make it compulsory but like I said, if you've got nothing to hide, why wouldn't you take it? If we sit back and don't do anything about corruption, it's going to get worse."

In its statement, the committee also complimented the ICC and its Anti-Corruption & Security Unit (ACSU) for its work to clean up the sport, but urged the game's governing body to commit more resources - and increased powers - to tackle the single biggest menace to the integrity of cricket.

"The education of players should not be a meaningless formality; the message should be pressed home with regularity by figures known and respected by the players," the statement read. "Furthermore, the committee believes that team captains - as enshrined in the Laws and Spirit of Cricket - should accept greater responsibility for the conduct of their players."

Speaking on the eve of the Perth Test, England's captain, Andrew Strauss gave a cautious welcome to the notion of introducing lie detectors to the game. "That's hard for me to answer at this stage," he said. "I don't know about the accuracy of lie detector tests. But what I do know, and is probably more important, is that we don't want the whiff of anything suspicious going on in the game.

"We've seen how disruptive and detrimental to the game of cricket it is," added Strauss. "The devil of all these things is in the detail. If we have to take extreme measures in order to be 100% confident the game is being played in the right spirit, then I'd certainly be happy to do that.

"I'd have to think about the arguments [for lie detector tests] one side and another first. But the principle, of having 22 guys on the pitch that the supporters are absolutely 100% certain are playing the game for the right reasons, is a good thing."

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  • mailinsiddu on December 17, 2010, 23:16 GMT

    No.. no.. Lets Wait for Wikileaks to release more facts which we should know...

  • Alexk400 on December 17, 2010, 7:11 GMT

    I don't mind wiretapping players on TOUR!.

  • on December 17, 2010, 5:10 GMT

    Put lie detector in a lie detector test and it will say "I AM NOT TELLING THE TRUTH"

  • on December 17, 2010, 1:49 GMT

    if lie detectors were accurate then why v still c corruption in world , all lies would hav been detected , lol

  • AndyZaltzmannsHair on December 16, 2010, 23:11 GMT

    According to BCCI logic, the technology is not 100% foolproof, nor has it been universally adopted, and is open to much abuse and interpretation. Therefore the technology should never be used. I'm being facetious of course, but c'mon, a lie detector test?? That's ridiculous, who actually uses lie detectors these days?

  • on December 16, 2010, 17:15 GMT

    The lie detector tests have been refuted almost everywhere. In Pakistan 10 years ago, in India this year, in SA, AUS, ENG, WI, NZ.. all banned the polygraph a long long time ago because it is utterly unreliable. If you are a sociopath, or even remotely skilled in lying, you won't get caught even if guilty, on the other hand if you are nervous while taking it, often you'll be incriminated even if not guilty. Its a well known fact the Polygraph is rubbish, have the old men at the MCC been hibernating? Or are they really this oblivious?

  • LarryD on December 16, 2010, 16:32 GMT

    So, what happens if a player refuses to take the lie detector test? Does it automatically make him guilty? Also, some people might be "skilled" enough to beat the lie detector. As Mr.Costanza would say - "It's not a lie, if *you* believe it"!!!

  • on December 16, 2010, 15:44 GMT

    We should be concentrating on improving cricket . Liemdectors are a waste of time just like match referees.

  • klobania on December 16, 2010, 11:17 GMT

    look who is calling for lie detector test poor steve waugh whose very own brother once part of match fixing. @Vinoth Babu Iyer u r talking about justice a person from a country whose players just refuse to use UDRS (which according to them not 100% accurate) n instead support naked eye decisions of umpires which r hardly 50% accurate. if such tests r get into practised then private leagues like ipl will suffer the most. @INDIA_AUS_RICH_BOARDS lets dhonis money be kept with him better as after a shameful defeat in upcoming world cup n once u pple start setting his home in fire he will be the one who needed that money most. btw when sachin n dhoni will start playing for country as they always r ready to play ipl n pvt leagues but when it comes to international assignment they start complaining of too much cricket

  • on December 16, 2010, 10:16 GMT

    The so called 'custodians of cricket laws' should first have thier IQ tested. After lie detecto testsr, what next? narco analysis brain mapping? or body scanner as in the US of A airports to check for grease and seam-cutters? The biggest joke of them all is "...the legalising and regulating of betting markets in India as proposed by the Delhi Court..". Excuse me, MCC is not the Supreme court of India.

  • mailinsiddu on December 17, 2010, 23:16 GMT

    No.. no.. Lets Wait for Wikileaks to release more facts which we should know...

  • Alexk400 on December 17, 2010, 7:11 GMT

    I don't mind wiretapping players on TOUR!.

  • on December 17, 2010, 5:10 GMT

    Put lie detector in a lie detector test and it will say "I AM NOT TELLING THE TRUTH"

  • on December 17, 2010, 1:49 GMT

    if lie detectors were accurate then why v still c corruption in world , all lies would hav been detected , lol

  • AndyZaltzmannsHair on December 16, 2010, 23:11 GMT

    According to BCCI logic, the technology is not 100% foolproof, nor has it been universally adopted, and is open to much abuse and interpretation. Therefore the technology should never be used. I'm being facetious of course, but c'mon, a lie detector test?? That's ridiculous, who actually uses lie detectors these days?

  • on December 16, 2010, 17:15 GMT

    The lie detector tests have been refuted almost everywhere. In Pakistan 10 years ago, in India this year, in SA, AUS, ENG, WI, NZ.. all banned the polygraph a long long time ago because it is utterly unreliable. If you are a sociopath, or even remotely skilled in lying, you won't get caught even if guilty, on the other hand if you are nervous while taking it, often you'll be incriminated even if not guilty. Its a well known fact the Polygraph is rubbish, have the old men at the MCC been hibernating? Or are they really this oblivious?

  • LarryD on December 16, 2010, 16:32 GMT

    So, what happens if a player refuses to take the lie detector test? Does it automatically make him guilty? Also, some people might be "skilled" enough to beat the lie detector. As Mr.Costanza would say - "It's not a lie, if *you* believe it"!!!

  • on December 16, 2010, 15:44 GMT

    We should be concentrating on improving cricket . Liemdectors are a waste of time just like match referees.

  • klobania on December 16, 2010, 11:17 GMT

    look who is calling for lie detector test poor steve waugh whose very own brother once part of match fixing. @Vinoth Babu Iyer u r talking about justice a person from a country whose players just refuse to use UDRS (which according to them not 100% accurate) n instead support naked eye decisions of umpires which r hardly 50% accurate. if such tests r get into practised then private leagues like ipl will suffer the most. @INDIA_AUS_RICH_BOARDS lets dhonis money be kept with him better as after a shameful defeat in upcoming world cup n once u pple start setting his home in fire he will be the one who needed that money most. btw when sachin n dhoni will start playing for country as they always r ready to play ipl n pvt leagues but when it comes to international assignment they start complaining of too much cricket

  • on December 16, 2010, 10:16 GMT

    The so called 'custodians of cricket laws' should first have thier IQ tested. After lie detecto testsr, what next? narco analysis brain mapping? or body scanner as in the US of A airports to check for grease and seam-cutters? The biggest joke of them all is "...the legalising and regulating of betting markets in India as proposed by the Delhi Court..". Excuse me, MCC is not the Supreme court of India.

  • on December 16, 2010, 10:13 GMT

    Well i totaly agree with What Imtiaz Just said let start with Logart , ICC, BCCI,PCB and all other boardS OFFICIALS AND Players. I dont mind that but it should be implemented on all players , For Mr. Logart his 6th or i dont 7th sense have already said that they are at guilt... why not Raina Was suspended over Suspision of contact with book maker story is same ... Logart is a book Maker him self so he know everything ;)

  • sudhs_107 on December 16, 2010, 7:22 GMT

    Come on.. If something is proved on these 3 pak players through lie detectors, they will say, its all done to defraud them and the system is not foolproof.

  • 3BBAY on December 16, 2010, 6:48 GMT

    each country's boards should be responsible for their own integrity.......so don't lift the banns on crook players.....India and Pakistan????

  • WaleedImtiazShah on December 16, 2010, 5:54 GMT

    1st off, the whole idea is a joke! It is laughable and simply stupid to have something of the sort implemented to root out corruption. What do they say about banning betting? They wont, because then people like shane warne will loose sponsors like 888.com. While you are at it, why not start by stripping former players of all the records they have? Gibbs, Warne, Waugh, Azhar, Jadega and the list goes on. They want transparency? Let us all be made aware of the evidence they have. Let us question Logart on; how can you make definitive statements on 3 players before the hearing? What was the purpose of the sham hearing at ICC? Why not start implementing anti corruption measures bottom up (Big bash, Twenty 20, IPL) rather than top down? ICC is a commercial organization which in itself can be bought if you have the money. Let us start by having the big wigs get tested by the lie detector! Let us have the commentators involved as well! Absolute JOKE!

  • 3BBAY on December 16, 2010, 5:26 GMT

    I agree..would like the ICC to set the example and take the lie detecter test followed by all the cricket boards...and make gambling legal in India...the ses pit of corruption lies in the bookmakers in India......

  • ScriptWriter on December 16, 2010, 4:57 GMT

    Lie Detector Tests are outlawed in India because they go against the Fundamental Right - No person can be forced to provide testimony that can incriminate that same person. In a Democratic society, polygraphic evidence should never be allowed in any court of law. But how would the MCC members know that, being that good old England is still a monarchy?

  • on December 16, 2010, 4:45 GMT

    This is the best way to solve the problem. If your honest you will pass and have your rep higher and if you cheat then there 2 word for them bye bye. cricket is still one of the fairest sports but it need to stamp this problem out.

  • Ray24 on December 16, 2010, 3:59 GMT

    Sounds like a joke. Why not just ban the players for life if proven guilty - this will serve as the most effective deterrent than any other thing.

    People suggesting that the Pakistan team should take it must note that there have been many more Indians banned for match fixing. Cronje also had links to the Indian bookies. It seems that due to deep pockets of the Indian board, their players are now being protected unduly. Whatever happened to the recent Suresh Raina case? It just died down. Most of these illegal bookies originate from India - the Indian underworld has a great stake in all this. Thinking aloud, is there a conspiracy theory behind the Indian bookies and Pakistani player connection? Maybe the legalizing of betting in India is an option that should be explored.

  • on December 16, 2010, 3:26 GMT

    Perhaps lie detectors need to be used on the administrators and various boards first before it is used on any player. If you want to stamp out corruption start from the top. Some of Test boards need a good clean out for the good of the game!

  • Diceyy on December 16, 2010, 3:16 GMT

    You can trust the MCC to suggest a measure which has been proven to be inaccurate.

  • Nuheen on December 16, 2010, 2:52 GMT

    There is a reason why lie detector tests aren't used in judicial process, they have a good chance of being wrong. Someone who can keep their nerve can easily fool it, whereas someone who is nervous can pay a heavy price. Ridiculous suggestion over all.

  • Joshima on December 16, 2010, 2:29 GMT

    Lie detector test.....hmmmmm.......If that's the case then the whole of Britain would be found guilty...It is the most deceitful and dishonest country I have ever been too. The most pretentious and 2 face society I have ever lived in.

    What a big joke by MCC......how can the criminals be the judges?

  • on December 16, 2010, 0:48 GMT

    Ronnie / Babu & other extremists :p ... : Guys after some years we/Pakistani can prepare guess papers of these lie detector test and than no team can take highest marks ...lol ;) ....

  • on December 16, 2010, 0:24 GMT

    Hah! That is funny. I don't think most players would agree for lie detector whether they cheat or not. It is easy for Waugh to say that but these are sportsmen, not criminals. They cannot be treated as such. The ICC has to find other ways to control match fixing and lie detectors are not the way. May be they can be used once there is some evidence against a player. But no routine testing.

  • jchiu on December 15, 2010, 23:43 GMT

    The false positive (saying someone has lied when he has not) rate is quite high on these things. For instance, in a consultancy that executes American government contracts, each staff member must pass a polygraph. The awarding office and consultancy both understand it is not unusual for an employee to pass on his/her third attempt.

    On the flipside, it is part of standard operative training to beat these tests. It would not be hard to coach a cheating player to pass, and bookies with substantial funding would conceivably do so.

    Therefore, adding polygraphs is reminiscent to creating the TSA, an American airport security organisation that is neither efficient nor effective. We should not allow cricket to succumb to the same farce that is crippling American airports.

  • on December 15, 2010, 22:21 GMT

    wel wel MCC lol why dont mcc try this at there own members 1st and then icc and then talk about players, why do alwys players are made scapegoat when every one knows with out them no one cares about cricket. and does any one knows these mcc members names? lol i bet very few have idea about these shamefull acts who just sit on sofa all day make stupid rules everytime it goes against india australia and england!

  • on December 15, 2010, 20:48 GMT

    Agreed but how far it would be foolproof is the one question which raises and i am damm sure those three players would not take it, in fact the whole pakistan team should take it.

  • on December 15, 2010, 20:06 GMT

    Why is that necessary? its only pakistan whoz involved with spot fixing, cant think of any reason why other nations should pay for paki crime...

  • raopreetam on December 15, 2010, 18:23 GMT

    well well well, now if lie detectors are introduced, am sure pakistan players will have coaching classes on how to beat the test. am absolutely sure.

  • Omarrz on December 15, 2010, 17:44 GMT

    stormy16...are you stormy daniels by any chance?? :D

    anyway, I think there is no harm of having a lie detector test... we will know the truth!

  • sunnymachoo on December 15, 2010, 17:43 GMT

    Are they serious? This is the funniest idea ever and doesn't look like its coming from MCC. What do they want? Turn cricket game into an interrogation cell or something? And bigbang07 is very right that lie detector is all psychological detector. I could be telling the truth but my nervousness can lead to lie detection and so and so.And as stormy16 says, it is the responsibility of respective boards to educate their players. I think, if found guilty, player like Amir would be victim of lack of education and guidance. Although every man is supposed to do the right thing but money has so much lust that it can take your noble character away in seconds....

  • bharath74 on December 15, 2010, 17:43 GMT

    Lie detector tests, UDRS, hot spot and then later i guess we will use water boarding as well: God save the great sport.

  • yenjvoy1 on December 15, 2010, 17:25 GMT

    First and foremost, Pakistan to arrest and prosecute or deport Indian mafia dons staying in Karachi under Pak government protection, starting with Javed Miandad's son's father in law. This will be the single most effective step in cleaning up the Indian betting syndicate. Second, focus on Pakistani players and their contacts, because they are the most vulnerable to external influence.

  • on December 15, 2010, 17:00 GMT

    Excellent idea. I would suggest taking it further. Accept Ponting's idea of taking the fielder's word on low catches, and then make the fielder go through the lie detector. </sarcasm>

  • Arsala on December 15, 2010, 16:39 GMT

    I think these Australians now have nothing left in Ashes so changing their focus to something else where they can say something :P

  • jackiethepen on December 15, 2010, 15:12 GMT

    Of course lie detector tests work.

  • Alexk400 on December 15, 2010, 14:19 GMT

    Lie detector test is stupid. It is administrator are corrupt. Players are just scapegoats.

  • Naren on December 15, 2010, 14:11 GMT

    If they had lie detector test for the Sydney test, we would have known a few things like if Ponting thought he took a clean catch and appealed or if Harbhajan really said 'Maa Ki' and not Monkey... lol. Not sure if BCCI would let this be used anywhere.... They might say the technology is not dependable yet..

  • on December 15, 2010, 13:54 GMT

    Next what asking the players to play "Moment of Truth" /"Sach Ka Samna" game?

  • on December 15, 2010, 13:51 GMT

    Gentleman's game seems to be not gentle anymore. Now lie detectors, next what? grilling the players in "Moment of Truth's" program? Are all these fool proof enough to stop foul play? Hard fact is,.. the flavor of the game is getting diluted with all these unfortunate things surrounding it.

  • CharlieAlanJakeHarperFamily on December 15, 2010, 13:38 GMT

    @zahidsaltin yeah poor nation pakistan players desperately need some donated money from ms dhoni he is sucking up all the million and millions of dollars dhoni please donate few millions to poor pak players it won't affect your bank balance but it will surely to pak players yeah DHONI-THE PHILANTHROPHIST

  • usmanHM on December 15, 2010, 13:32 GMT

    Vow, legalizing betting what a suggestion? These suggestions are coming from Steve Waugh who himself has been a fixer...FKK u off. His record should be written off first. Further, why Suresh Raina, Gibbs and others who have been involved not penalized? Better is this that leave talking all this rubbish and accept what ur father INDIA says.

  • bigbang07 on December 15, 2010, 12:54 GMT

    I may be wrong regarding lie detector tests (polygraphs?) but im fairly sure that they are not foolproof. Example: You may be telling the truth but your body sends various signals which may make it appear that you're lying.

  • stormy16 on December 15, 2010, 12:41 GMT

    Sad state of affairs for the gentlemans game! Policing will be the greatest challenge here no matter what is introduced. There must be serious repurcussions for the guilty. I think the focus has all been on the players but the ICC shoudl also hold the board accountable for the state of affairs surrounding cricket in their respective countries. The boards must forced to take steps to minimize the risk of match fixing and be held accountable when it fails. There is nothing worse than wathcing a game wandering if its being fixed and everything must be done to take away that ellement.

  • Zahidsaltin on December 15, 2010, 12:38 GMT

    And add this:

    (1) All players must declare their assets at the end of every calender year. In the case of Asian nations they should voluntarly submit assets of parents and siblings.

    (2) A frofessional security firm hired by the authorities must have access to transcripts of telefon calls made or recieved by every player 4 days before, and during any match. The professional firm will then undertake clause of secrecy.

    (3) All cricket nations should give 2% of their financial earnings to ICC. The fund should be used to support poorer test nations to pay better salaries to their players.

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  • Zahidsaltin on December 15, 2010, 12:38 GMT

    And add this:

    (1) All players must declare their assets at the end of every calender year. In the case of Asian nations they should voluntarly submit assets of parents and siblings.

    (2) A frofessional security firm hired by the authorities must have access to transcripts of telefon calls made or recieved by every player 4 days before, and during any match. The professional firm will then undertake clause of secrecy.

    (3) All cricket nations should give 2% of their financial earnings to ICC. The fund should be used to support poorer test nations to pay better salaries to their players.

  • stormy16 on December 15, 2010, 12:41 GMT

    Sad state of affairs for the gentlemans game! Policing will be the greatest challenge here no matter what is introduced. There must be serious repurcussions for the guilty. I think the focus has all been on the players but the ICC shoudl also hold the board accountable for the state of affairs surrounding cricket in their respective countries. The boards must forced to take steps to minimize the risk of match fixing and be held accountable when it fails. There is nothing worse than wathcing a game wandering if its being fixed and everything must be done to take away that ellement.

  • bigbang07 on December 15, 2010, 12:54 GMT

    I may be wrong regarding lie detector tests (polygraphs?) but im fairly sure that they are not foolproof. Example: You may be telling the truth but your body sends various signals which may make it appear that you're lying.

  • usmanHM on December 15, 2010, 13:32 GMT

    Vow, legalizing betting what a suggestion? These suggestions are coming from Steve Waugh who himself has been a fixer...FKK u off. His record should be written off first. Further, why Suresh Raina, Gibbs and others who have been involved not penalized? Better is this that leave talking all this rubbish and accept what ur father INDIA says.

  • CharlieAlanJakeHarperFamily on December 15, 2010, 13:38 GMT

    @zahidsaltin yeah poor nation pakistan players desperately need some donated money from ms dhoni he is sucking up all the million and millions of dollars dhoni please donate few millions to poor pak players it won't affect your bank balance but it will surely to pak players yeah DHONI-THE PHILANTHROPHIST

  • on December 15, 2010, 13:51 GMT

    Gentleman's game seems to be not gentle anymore. Now lie detectors, next what? grilling the players in "Moment of Truth's" program? Are all these fool proof enough to stop foul play? Hard fact is,.. the flavor of the game is getting diluted with all these unfortunate things surrounding it.

  • on December 15, 2010, 13:54 GMT

    Next what asking the players to play "Moment of Truth" /"Sach Ka Samna" game?

  • Naren on December 15, 2010, 14:11 GMT

    If they had lie detector test for the Sydney test, we would have known a few things like if Ponting thought he took a clean catch and appealed or if Harbhajan really said 'Maa Ki' and not Monkey... lol. Not sure if BCCI would let this be used anywhere.... They might say the technology is not dependable yet..

  • Alexk400 on December 15, 2010, 14:19 GMT

    Lie detector test is stupid. It is administrator are corrupt. Players are just scapegoats.

  • jackiethepen on December 15, 2010, 15:12 GMT

    Of course lie detector tests work.