NZ v WI, 2nd Test, Wellington, 3rd day December 13, 2013

Bowlers failed in helpful conditions - Sammy

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Darren Sammy has been involved in his fair share of West Indies batting collapses, but his team's third-day demise in Wellington caught even him off guard.

Barely 72 hours after he had not been able to wipe the smile from his face on winning the toss, he was left to the survey the scene of West Indies' third innings defeat in four matches. His contribution to the clatter of 16 wickets on the third day was a pair; in the first innings he was bowled the delivery after having a problem with his eye and in the second there was a forlorn feeling about his call for the DRS.

Sammy admitted the batting was not up to international standard, but although the double collapse gave the Test a rapid conclusion, he added that it was the performance with the ball, where they let New Zealand make 441 on a green pitch, that had sown the seeds of what was to follow. New Zealand's bowlers did as much right as West Indies' had done wrong.

"I though as a team we left Dunedin with confidence, especially the way we played to save the Test," he said. "To come down here and lose 16 wickets in a day is very disappointing. The first Test we batted well in the second innings, this Test we barely faced 100 overs which is not good for any international side.

"I think we've had the better part of the pitch on both occasions, good conditions to bowl. Credit must go to the New Zealand bowlers, especially Trent Boult. The way he exploited the conditions is something as a bowling group we've not been able to do here.

"If you look at our pitch maps we will probably be scattered all over the place. If I look at the New Zealand bowlers they'll be hitting that fuller, six-meter length more often than us which is where you tend to create most chances. Neither did we did not back the bowlers up in the field with some costly dropped catches."

The result, and the manner of it, will not come as a shock to the fans who remain loyal to this team. So often any morsel of hope, such as Darren Bravo's fighting double hundred in Dunedin, has been followed by a sharp reminder of why they languish in the bottom half of the Test rankings.

"I guess we've found ourselves in these situations a few times," Sammy said. "I believe we have the mettle in the dressing room to come back and keep remaining hungry because we value the fans back home.

"They're up late, or early in the morning, watching us," he added, perhaps forgetting there is no mainstream TV coverage of this series in the Caribbean. "We've got to give them something to shout about. Christmas time is soon around the corner. It's a time to be jolly so we've got to go down to Hamilton and give them a little Christmas gift."

Sammy gave a strong indication that the spinner Sunil Narine, who West Indies had been keen to play here, would come into the side for Hamilton. "So far, we've got two grassy tops and we've not been able to get the wickets," Sammy said. But never mind a Christmas gift, it might need a Christmas miracle for West Indies to level the series.

Andrew McGlashan is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • on December 17, 2013, 22:45 GMT

    Sammy is forever making excuses the so call coach sits there and just stare that man cannot give advice to his players so just what is his use of being a coach. just what is Sammy place on the team the man can't bowl and he can't bat select a new captain who can do something to help the team he is a waste in the lineup.Shannon Gabriel has got to go also the man is a clumsy ox that bowls long hop at least give that kid Santokie (from Jam) a chance he is far better than Best and Gabriel.BUT THE COACH MUST GO

  • Windies2Dheart on December 14, 2013, 14:25 GMT

    this was always comming.... i agree with sammy. Even though patting was pityful, our bowling was woefully worse. Common sense for any bowler is much better than being able to hit 135+ consistently. I was so embarassed as the commentators exposed Gabriel's inability to hold a cricket ball properly as a fast bowler. Even more embarassed as best and gabriel continue to pitch it short when everything else was screaming "straight and Full). Ocassionally best's emotion and agression can be accepted. But come on, What can we say about a bowler who seem to have forgotten the how to thing during play. Maybe he doesnt deserve to be on the team.

  • Lermy on December 14, 2013, 6:33 GMT

    Almost another disgraceful performance by NZ, letting the WI off the hook and not taking a wicket for ages in the second innings. NZ almost can't buy a test win. Here is the WI offering them the opportunities on a platter, such as in the first test, and they seemed embarrassed to take them. There is just no killer instinct in this team. At least Boult seems to be getting some reward now, how often has he bowled beautifully for no result. I actually think he's nowhere near his best in this series, yet perversely he's finally getting a decent haul.

  • on December 14, 2013, 2:15 GMT

    Wrong assessment, again Mr Captain. First, the bowling is clearly not up to test level. Perhaps this works at a regional level where the likes of Best and company bulldoze batsmen with short pitch bowling. It is hard to understand that bowlers cannot ASSESS a pitch and deliver what the pitch has to offer. The NZ bowlers were sending down bouncers at 130KPH and we had no answers. Whereas Best comes in @140 KPH and get hammered all over the park. I cannot imagine that Gibson is not asking for bowlers to keep the ball up. So it is safe to say Best is not learning and should go home. So should Gabriel, for he needs to learn to bowl---he has to demonstrate that he can produce in swing/outswing, reverse, slower ball, Yorker off cutters etc at will. No bowler should be allowed to play test cricket if he cannot do these things on demand. As for the batsmen, Powell, Edwards, Bravo, Samuels, Deonarine, and Sammy needs to learn the two types of cricket shots.

  • delboy on December 14, 2013, 1:16 GMT

    Most of the current West Indies squad are suffering from cricket fatigue. Marlon Samuels needs a break from the game. In case some of the keyboard experts do not know or appreciate it, cricket requires a certain degree of mental ability from the individual which is very illusive whenever you are losing. Although this is a team sport; it demands at least one exceptional individual performance to gain a result. Repeated failure by individuals and the team lead to the indecisions which are so evident in this match. Short two/three test series only make matters worse because once the first game is lost panic and worry takes over. Just maybe if today WI cricketers were less smart and internet savvy they would focus more on events on the field of play and leave all the baggage of statistics and rankings to others.

  • on December 13, 2013, 23:50 GMT

    If Sammy has any class he would quit because everyone knows he is not worthy of a place on any test team. He should advice Gibson to do likewise.

  • on December 13, 2013, 23:11 GMT

    Whatever happened to "catches win matches" - the bowlers bowled up to their rankings, and the WI's cannot afford to drop Taylor for duck. That was the pivotal point for the momentum of the game. New Zealand then came out and showed how to take your chances. Narine MUST play in the next test however if they are to stand any chance of getting 20 wickets.

  • on December 13, 2013, 22:37 GMT

    Just another disappointment. Disappointment? We are used to it. The newest excuse by Sammy is our bowlers, I hope he understands he is included. What about the batting?. We could not make 200 hundred runs. Sammy's contribution a pair of zeroes. He took credit for the 1st test draw.Give the rain some credit. Sammy was elated after the 1st test that the NZ bowlers were tired.Why then after having won the toss give them more rest time? The same old rhetoric comes up over and over we are going into the next test being positive. Don't hold your breath. If we have so much talent and cannot produce it clearing means that the one who is being paid for guidance and motivation has failed miserably and should be removed along with the captain.

  • on December 13, 2013, 21:17 GMT

    I wonder if people realize that Sammy can't bat or bowl for people. He is just the captain. He can't be asked to take blame for batting failures. We said we wanted Gayle in the side and he has failed, Samuels is struggling and our bowling on this trip is weak. Maybe other players could be tried and at this point we can't lose. But i'm disappointed in Powell. He has a chance to cement himself and is failing. Once Gayle is back he gotta know he is out and Edwards in. Edwards i think is a good player and deserves a run. Ramdin is just not ready but the others are weak as well. As far as bowling goes Shillingford is a keeper and we need Roach and Rampaul back in the setup. Gabriel needs more time and Best working with the others is good because he is a hard worker. Gibson can't bat and bowl for players and neither can the captain. I like Sammy but i think noe he should concentrate on the shorter formats.

  • maxwelltroy on December 13, 2013, 20:36 GMT

    well well what a terrible performance by waste indies i think west indies cricketer should be pay on performance and i think the coach should be fired , we need a good bowling coach like curtly ambrose and not forgetting a batting consultant viv richards and the captain should be sailing on the next ship, he is captain with half talent

  • on December 17, 2013, 22:45 GMT

    Sammy is forever making excuses the so call coach sits there and just stare that man cannot give advice to his players so just what is his use of being a coach. just what is Sammy place on the team the man can't bowl and he can't bat select a new captain who can do something to help the team he is a waste in the lineup.Shannon Gabriel has got to go also the man is a clumsy ox that bowls long hop at least give that kid Santokie (from Jam) a chance he is far better than Best and Gabriel.BUT THE COACH MUST GO

  • Windies2Dheart on December 14, 2013, 14:25 GMT

    this was always comming.... i agree with sammy. Even though patting was pityful, our bowling was woefully worse. Common sense for any bowler is much better than being able to hit 135+ consistently. I was so embarassed as the commentators exposed Gabriel's inability to hold a cricket ball properly as a fast bowler. Even more embarassed as best and gabriel continue to pitch it short when everything else was screaming "straight and Full). Ocassionally best's emotion and agression can be accepted. But come on, What can we say about a bowler who seem to have forgotten the how to thing during play. Maybe he doesnt deserve to be on the team.

  • Lermy on December 14, 2013, 6:33 GMT

    Almost another disgraceful performance by NZ, letting the WI off the hook and not taking a wicket for ages in the second innings. NZ almost can't buy a test win. Here is the WI offering them the opportunities on a platter, such as in the first test, and they seemed embarrassed to take them. There is just no killer instinct in this team. At least Boult seems to be getting some reward now, how often has he bowled beautifully for no result. I actually think he's nowhere near his best in this series, yet perversely he's finally getting a decent haul.

  • on December 14, 2013, 2:15 GMT

    Wrong assessment, again Mr Captain. First, the bowling is clearly not up to test level. Perhaps this works at a regional level where the likes of Best and company bulldoze batsmen with short pitch bowling. It is hard to understand that bowlers cannot ASSESS a pitch and deliver what the pitch has to offer. The NZ bowlers were sending down bouncers at 130KPH and we had no answers. Whereas Best comes in @140 KPH and get hammered all over the park. I cannot imagine that Gibson is not asking for bowlers to keep the ball up. So it is safe to say Best is not learning and should go home. So should Gabriel, for he needs to learn to bowl---he has to demonstrate that he can produce in swing/outswing, reverse, slower ball, Yorker off cutters etc at will. No bowler should be allowed to play test cricket if he cannot do these things on demand. As for the batsmen, Powell, Edwards, Bravo, Samuels, Deonarine, and Sammy needs to learn the two types of cricket shots.

  • delboy on December 14, 2013, 1:16 GMT

    Most of the current West Indies squad are suffering from cricket fatigue. Marlon Samuels needs a break from the game. In case some of the keyboard experts do not know or appreciate it, cricket requires a certain degree of mental ability from the individual which is very illusive whenever you are losing. Although this is a team sport; it demands at least one exceptional individual performance to gain a result. Repeated failure by individuals and the team lead to the indecisions which are so evident in this match. Short two/three test series only make matters worse because once the first game is lost panic and worry takes over. Just maybe if today WI cricketers were less smart and internet savvy they would focus more on events on the field of play and leave all the baggage of statistics and rankings to others.

  • on December 13, 2013, 23:50 GMT

    If Sammy has any class he would quit because everyone knows he is not worthy of a place on any test team. He should advice Gibson to do likewise.

  • on December 13, 2013, 23:11 GMT

    Whatever happened to "catches win matches" - the bowlers bowled up to their rankings, and the WI's cannot afford to drop Taylor for duck. That was the pivotal point for the momentum of the game. New Zealand then came out and showed how to take your chances. Narine MUST play in the next test however if they are to stand any chance of getting 20 wickets.

  • on December 13, 2013, 22:37 GMT

    Just another disappointment. Disappointment? We are used to it. The newest excuse by Sammy is our bowlers, I hope he understands he is included. What about the batting?. We could not make 200 hundred runs. Sammy's contribution a pair of zeroes. He took credit for the 1st test draw.Give the rain some credit. Sammy was elated after the 1st test that the NZ bowlers were tired.Why then after having won the toss give them more rest time? The same old rhetoric comes up over and over we are going into the next test being positive. Don't hold your breath. If we have so much talent and cannot produce it clearing means that the one who is being paid for guidance and motivation has failed miserably and should be removed along with the captain.

  • on December 13, 2013, 21:17 GMT

    I wonder if people realize that Sammy can't bat or bowl for people. He is just the captain. He can't be asked to take blame for batting failures. We said we wanted Gayle in the side and he has failed, Samuels is struggling and our bowling on this trip is weak. Maybe other players could be tried and at this point we can't lose. But i'm disappointed in Powell. He has a chance to cement himself and is failing. Once Gayle is back he gotta know he is out and Edwards in. Edwards i think is a good player and deserves a run. Ramdin is just not ready but the others are weak as well. As far as bowling goes Shillingford is a keeper and we need Roach and Rampaul back in the setup. Gabriel needs more time and Best working with the others is good because he is a hard worker. Gibson can't bat and bowl for players and neither can the captain. I like Sammy but i think noe he should concentrate on the shorter formats.

  • maxwelltroy on December 13, 2013, 20:36 GMT

    well well what a terrible performance by waste indies i think west indies cricketer should be pay on performance and i think the coach should be fired , we need a good bowling coach like curtly ambrose and not forgetting a batting consultant viv richards and the captain should be sailing on the next ship, he is captain with half talent

  • rishiupersad on December 13, 2013, 20:08 GMT

    Well, well - another failure from the West Indies to last at least four and a half days. Thank God for rain in one of the Test we were able to secure a draw. Darren Sammy, you should resign with immediate effect - you have served absolutely no purpose on the current team. Better we pick a set of school boys and loose for one day we would have a strong team and I am sure we will return to the winning ways. Guys - Do you all feel happy being ousted in as little as three days? If so please give the supporting public something to work with. The guys at the top needs to bat for at least 150 overs like Haynes and Greendige use to do.

  • on December 13, 2013, 20:00 GMT

    I agree with Sammy that it is our bowlers who lost the match for us or perhaps set the stage for our loss. Why do I say this when it is the batters that allowed us to be bowled out twice? Well, in my view this wicket was a par 320 runs wicket given the way it was favorable to good quality fast bowling. That is if good quality batting met good quality bowling on this pitch, 320 runs would be the average score. Well by allowing NZ to put so much runs on the board our batters were never in the game from the start because of their bowlers bowled like test match bowlers. We lost it right there, then lack of character took over and sent us down the drain without a fight. We must jettison Best right away, no matter that he took 4 wickets. Gabriel does not have it. He is too mechanical. No flowing delivery and seeming to aim the ball all the time. He is a manufactured bowler. There must be better potential out there. Is there no one who can teach them to swing/move the ball like professionals?

  • ilyas on December 13, 2013, 19:19 GMT

    Well well well. Why is anyone surprised? Besides chanders, bravo occasionally and Edwards to a degree who else looks like they can occupy the crease? As someone else has posted there seems to be something wrong with Samuels - he looks dreadful. Maybe the injury as caused some physical damage but mentally he looks shot. He seems afraid to go forward. Deonarine, ramdin, Sammy and best have to go. Powell should be given a wArning that getting 20s mean nothing and that his place is in danger. Gabriel needs to spend a season playing cricket in england - club cricket if he cannot get a county stint. Oh yes Gibson must go!!!

  • on December 13, 2013, 18:55 GMT

    A lot of the comments here are about the state of WI cricket. As a long time NZ fan we have had our share of lows. I prefer to focus on our positives. Taylor is now applying his talent with a method that works for test cricket and is looking world class. We have a young and talented seam attack who have the ability to be the best pair we've ever produced and a promising spinner. In these tests our superior tail has also made a difference psychologically. We have been pumped by the Windies so many times over the years just let us enjoy this.

  • Mayfield on December 13, 2013, 17:32 GMT

    This guy always has excuses to give. Bowlers failed to exploit conditions. The so called captain scores two ducks, but the bowlers failed. When it is not the batsmen, its the bowlers. NZ scored 400+ on the same pitch. Were there different batting conditions for the WI? IAs the captain, he needs to stand up and say WE did not perform. Stop singling out the batsmen or the bowlers. It seems like he is always shifting the blame. I am not a batsman so its the batsmen fault. I am not the frontline bowler, so its the bowlers fault. What role does he play? As a great WI fast bowler said, CHEERLEADER.

  • DonclydeBrown on December 13, 2013, 17:31 GMT

    Even though I shared my appointments about the players, I agree with Gary about the infrastructure of cricket or lack thereof in the WI. How can a player play 3-4 games per year score 200 and odd runs and then deemed ready for test. It is a big joke. When a player is dropped, there is no system for him to go back to and correct his problems. From recollection, the WI is the only test playing nation apart from Pakistan where the first class season does not coincide with home test matches. We don't play enough cricket and the senior players are not hanging around to help and groom the youngsters.I love cricket and will always love cricket but I hate to see the game being taken for granted by administrators and players. Interest is still in test cricket regardless of what some people might think. Just look at the interest in the ashes. I long for a return of a competitive WI team. The world is still waiting. From 1995 until now is too long. Come on guys.

  • on December 13, 2013, 16:46 GMT

    Being a New Zealander myself, it's sad to see West Indian fans (or others) turning on the players saying "kick this person or that person".

    The thing is, like New Zealand, West Indies doesn't have the player bases of the big powers like India, England, Pakistan etc. If you kick out Tino Best, as one person has suggested, who would you replace him with? It's all good to kick out player A for player B, or even a player C who is untested, but what happens when that doesn't work? What then? Then you have a team that's constantly unsettled, which doesn't promote consistant performances either.

    The problem lies less with the players representing the country and more on the infrastructure that promotes them up to international level. I'm no expert on the infrastructure of WI cricket, but from what I read it's not exactly great.

    I guess the point is, it's all great saying "kick out this player" but could be smart to think about WHY the situation is as it is?

  • Rising_Edge1234 on December 13, 2013, 16:06 GMT

    It's a wonder Sammy didn't say they" learnt a lot from this defeat and hopefulluy we will go on to the next match and able to put up a good performance" lol. I did tweet to him after he posted on twitter that he just landed in NZ(from India) "Why? For another thrashing?"

  • on December 13, 2013, 15:10 GMT

    We need to get Jason, Ravil & Sunil to NZland as quickly asap for the 3rd test so we could rest Sammy & Best for the Odi series. Sammy already had an injury scare on tour while averaging a whopping 24 overs an inning & Tino has been putting out a lot of effort in the test matches so far averaging 21 overs an innings. That way Sammy & Tino will be a bit fresher when the ODI series starts & Jason & Ravi should get a proper work out in kiwi conditions to help prep for the ODI series as well. Maybe if they bowl well in the 3rd Test that could play on the minds of the kiwi batsmen going into the 1st odi @ Aukland. Gabriel has also been working hard averaging almost 20 overs an innings he needs a rest as well. If the conditions in Hamilton favor spin bowling then Narine could be brought in to support Shillingford giving him some miles in the legs before the Odi series begins on boxing day. If not Then the left arm pacer Sheldon would add variety to the bowling @ Hamilton

  • rsurex on December 13, 2013, 14:54 GMT

    A bowler came to my mind was Jerome Taylor in WI few years back I do remember he took a hat-trick against Australia in a champions trophy match in India!!! where is he? compare him to Sammy/Best performance.... he should play both ODI & test... come on wake up WI...s

  • on December 13, 2013, 13:08 GMT

    Sammy talks too much and does too little, it's time for him to go ,as a matter of fact he should have gone a while back. at the end of the first test he was gleeful that the NZ bowlers were tired , he should have paid more attention on his team not NZ. IT'S TIME FOR HIM AND THE SELECTORS TO GO.

  • larathegreatone on December 13, 2013, 12:53 GMT

    The west indies public has had it with these types of performances, where is the fight, where is the brain. where is the passion and love for the game, where is the fighting attitude gone.

    we as fans and lovers of the game keep making comments on the disgraceful performances of the west indies team. we all have our two cents to put in but it appears to me that the wicb likes what is going on with this team.

    The west indies have now become the laughing stock of the cricket world.

    just think that the we now instead wanting and fighting to win test matches we are praying for rain in order to get a loss in five days or by some miracle draw a test match.

    I am hoping that in least my life time that the west indies team be at least a competitive outfit but sadly with what has been going on with this team i may be long gone and buried before this happens.

    At least I got to see the west indies of the 80's 90's and early 2000's

  • on December 13, 2013, 12:45 GMT

    I love Sammy he is from my home town but no excuses. In my years growing up West Indies team was top of the line, but now we just scratching the surface. That's not acceptable, they do have young talented men give them a chance. I love cricket and also played in youth living in the USA but I watch the games every day. I want them to do well and have their best interest at heart, come on guys let make this happen.

  • CricketChat on December 13, 2013, 12:17 GMT

    Sammy has got a good cricketing brain, but doesn't have the skill to back it up. Agree with Sammy's assessment. After letting NZ get as much as 425+ on a bowler friendly pitch, the writing is pretty much on the wall. But for that once in a while knock from Bravo in the last test, that kind of total would prove too much for WI batsmen given their reluctance to stay at the wkt for long periods. Before this series, I thought NZ and WI are on the same level as far tests are concerned. I guess WI will go down a rung now. Must be hurtful for all those fans who enjoyed unparallelled success of their teams in the 70s and 80s.

  • on December 13, 2013, 12:05 GMT

    bowlers didnt fail they bowled to their ability the selectors failed as they sent the b" side bowling line up face it best is quick but wild, shannon, inexperienced and for Shane , he is bowling good but apart from this pitch that didnt help spin as much as the last, why is sunil narine not selected in front of Shane? being the best spin bowler in the world. selectors must go for WI to move up

  • on December 13, 2013, 12:02 GMT

    I can't believe this, how could the West Indies team with a chance of a lifetime and being so passive. This is not the movies. Having an opportunity to represent your country is huge, for blowers to be blowing wide shot balls that goes for runs without taking wickets and batters getting out to full pitched delivers, what's the logic can they not learn form the New Zealanders. This is the international level guys wake up sleepy heads. Time missed can't be redeemed you only get one chance at this do make the best of it, or els you will regret this. I am hopeful that you guys get a hold of this.( incredible) I am this made.

  • kelbov on December 13, 2013, 11:59 GMT

    what is Sammy saying!! how do you blame the bowlers when the batsmen failed to reach 200 in both innnings, this compounds the current mind of the set up... sammy was boasting how his bowlers would be fresher and still he bowled first against a supposed 'worn out' New Zealand bowlers.. how do you post a good score when your last four batsmen make zero??

  • on December 13, 2013, 10:58 GMT

    Darren Sammy, Best and the lower half shouldn't be playing another test cricket. They do make the West Indies team that I have love from my youth looks terrible. Something has to be done quite sooner than later.

  • on December 13, 2013, 9:44 GMT

    What is Sammy saying , everyone knows the test was saved by the rain and not the team. How long more will the Caribbean people will have to endure the mediocrity of our selectors who gave us a captain who should not be in the team and a number of players that are chronic recycled failures such as Best, Deonarine, Ramdin, Gabriel and Sammy . The current crop of selectors were failures themselves as when they played so I can see that the problem is genetic.

  • on December 13, 2013, 9:40 GMT

    Lightening Boult strikes 10 times and the Wellington wind blows woeful windies away !

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  • on December 13, 2013, 9:40 GMT

    Lightening Boult strikes 10 times and the Wellington wind blows woeful windies away !

  • on December 13, 2013, 9:44 GMT

    What is Sammy saying , everyone knows the test was saved by the rain and not the team. How long more will the Caribbean people will have to endure the mediocrity of our selectors who gave us a captain who should not be in the team and a number of players that are chronic recycled failures such as Best, Deonarine, Ramdin, Gabriel and Sammy . The current crop of selectors were failures themselves as when they played so I can see that the problem is genetic.

  • on December 13, 2013, 10:58 GMT

    Darren Sammy, Best and the lower half shouldn't be playing another test cricket. They do make the West Indies team that I have love from my youth looks terrible. Something has to be done quite sooner than later.

  • kelbov on December 13, 2013, 11:59 GMT

    what is Sammy saying!! how do you blame the bowlers when the batsmen failed to reach 200 in both innnings, this compounds the current mind of the set up... sammy was boasting how his bowlers would be fresher and still he bowled first against a supposed 'worn out' New Zealand bowlers.. how do you post a good score when your last four batsmen make zero??

  • on December 13, 2013, 12:02 GMT

    I can't believe this, how could the West Indies team with a chance of a lifetime and being so passive. This is not the movies. Having an opportunity to represent your country is huge, for blowers to be blowing wide shot balls that goes for runs without taking wickets and batters getting out to full pitched delivers, what's the logic can they not learn form the New Zealanders. This is the international level guys wake up sleepy heads. Time missed can't be redeemed you only get one chance at this do make the best of it, or els you will regret this. I am hopeful that you guys get a hold of this.( incredible) I am this made.

  • on December 13, 2013, 12:05 GMT

    bowlers didnt fail they bowled to their ability the selectors failed as they sent the b" side bowling line up face it best is quick but wild, shannon, inexperienced and for Shane , he is bowling good but apart from this pitch that didnt help spin as much as the last, why is sunil narine not selected in front of Shane? being the best spin bowler in the world. selectors must go for WI to move up

  • CricketChat on December 13, 2013, 12:17 GMT

    Sammy has got a good cricketing brain, but doesn't have the skill to back it up. Agree with Sammy's assessment. After letting NZ get as much as 425+ on a bowler friendly pitch, the writing is pretty much on the wall. But for that once in a while knock from Bravo in the last test, that kind of total would prove too much for WI batsmen given their reluctance to stay at the wkt for long periods. Before this series, I thought NZ and WI are on the same level as far tests are concerned. I guess WI will go down a rung now. Must be hurtful for all those fans who enjoyed unparallelled success of their teams in the 70s and 80s.

  • on December 13, 2013, 12:45 GMT

    I love Sammy he is from my home town but no excuses. In my years growing up West Indies team was top of the line, but now we just scratching the surface. That's not acceptable, they do have young talented men give them a chance. I love cricket and also played in youth living in the USA but I watch the games every day. I want them to do well and have their best interest at heart, come on guys let make this happen.

  • larathegreatone on December 13, 2013, 12:53 GMT

    The west indies public has had it with these types of performances, where is the fight, where is the brain. where is the passion and love for the game, where is the fighting attitude gone.

    we as fans and lovers of the game keep making comments on the disgraceful performances of the west indies team. we all have our two cents to put in but it appears to me that the wicb likes what is going on with this team.

    The west indies have now become the laughing stock of the cricket world.

    just think that the we now instead wanting and fighting to win test matches we are praying for rain in order to get a loss in five days or by some miracle draw a test match.

    I am hoping that in least my life time that the west indies team be at least a competitive outfit but sadly with what has been going on with this team i may be long gone and buried before this happens.

    At least I got to see the west indies of the 80's 90's and early 2000's

  • on December 13, 2013, 13:08 GMT

    Sammy talks too much and does too little, it's time for him to go ,as a matter of fact he should have gone a while back. at the end of the first test he was gleeful that the NZ bowlers were tired , he should have paid more attention on his team not NZ. IT'S TIME FOR HIM AND THE SELECTORS TO GO.