Pakistan news November 10, 2013

No extension for Whatmore as Pakistan coach

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The PCB will not renew Pakistan head coach Dav Whatmore's contract, when it expires ahead of the Asia Cup in late February 2014. The PCB said in a release that Whatmore informed the board earlier this month that he would not be seeking an extension in the job due to personal and family reasons. His last assignment with Pakistan will be the upcoming Sri Lanka series in the UAE, between December 2013 and January 2014.

The release said the two parties had "mutually agreed to conclude the contract on February 28, 2014". "Everyone at the PCB wishes Mr Whatmore the very best at a personal level and in the world of cricket in the future," the statement said.*

ESPNcricinfo understands that PCB had been mulling releasing Whatmore after the Champions Trophy in June, in which Pakistan didn't win a match, but held back on such a move to avoid the compensation (three months' salary) they would have had to pay him if they terminated the contract.

"We are not against a foreign coach," PCB Interim Management Committee head, Najam Sethi, recently said in the UAE. "Our problem is, with foreign coaches our players are not able to communicate freely. The players are not that well educated when it comes to English. So there is a lot of problem in communicating with each other and they don't understand fully."

Whatmore was appointed head coach in March 2012 and Pakistan have failed to win a Test series under him, and have only won two out of the 10 matches they've played so far. After feedback from various players in the team, it is learnt, the PCB is not satisfied. A top PCB official said that some players are not quite comfortable around Whatmore and the suggestion is to bring in a local coach.

Sethi told Gulf News: "I personally think the coach has done a decent job but his contract expires in February, so we have to seriously look at it. In fact, I think Whatmore himself will be looking at it. I won't deny that there is tremendous pressure to appoint a home-bred coach."

Recently, spinner Saeed Ajmal had said on television that there was no difference between Whatmore and a local coach, and that language was proving to be a barrier. "There is no difference, just that we are paying more to him, otherwise there is no difference," Ajmal said. "Dav is a foreign coach, he doesn't know our language much, but he is a coach and has done coaching for various countries and has helped other teams win, he is not that bad. We had our coaches, we have our language."

Whatmore, 59, while talking to ESPNcricinfo in September, confirmed that there would have to be a mutual understanding between him and the PCB if his contract is to be renewed. "When you are about to conclude your contract, these questions do emerge," Whatmore said. "But the renewal depends on mutual willingness. I know what I do is done with the best of intentions and at the end of the day I can sleep straight, comfortably."

*04.25GMT, November 13: This article was updated after the PCB sent out a statement.

Umar Farooq is ESPNcricinfo's Pakistan correspondent. He tweets here

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  • J751 on November 10, 2013, 10:47 GMT

    Pakistan's experiences with foreign coaches in the past have not been particularly happy.Results under Whatmore have not been great.But the team was not too keen on his appointment to start with.Don't know why the PCB is so obsessed with appointing foreign coaches in the first place.There are many Pakistani cricketers who can do the job.Appointing a local coach will help to get rid of the needless controversies that arise whenever a foreign coach is appointed.But I won't be surprised,if after a while,the clock comes full circle and yet another foreign coach is appointed again.

  • on November 13, 2013, 20:39 GMT

    Told Early and Now see the horror;s as players have no coach any longer for next 3 months until he's tenure's finished.

  • on November 12, 2013, 8:56 GMT

    it's about time he went I dont see anything special in him or his training methods

  • on November 12, 2013, 8:15 GMT

    It seems PCB still has not understood the facts! Appointing foreign coaches or local coaches wont change the teams ability to perform... PCB needs to change the entire team except for 4 who have performed (Junaid, Irfan, Ajmal & Sohaib). The rest should be replaced immediately...

  • ashyusuf on November 12, 2013, 6:52 GMT

    Pakistan selectors are not select right players they give chance to veteran cricketers.

  • Bilal_S on November 11, 2013, 23:24 GMT

    PCB infuriates with every move they make. Why disclose that you are going to axe the coach 4 months before he has to go? How is he supposed to do his job in the meantime? Not like he has to take this team to play against the best team in the world on their home turf or anything...

  • Fijicricket on November 11, 2013, 23:24 GMT

    There is no point in blaming the coach when you just dont have players that can play at the level required. And doctoring pitches at home for some sort of victory in the long term makes it difficult to readjust to real pitches. Instead of getting rid of the coach, get rid of doctored pitches!

  • ameen786 on November 11, 2013, 23:17 GMT

    Dear All,

    you should understand the politics of PCB we cannot blame a Coach of Calibare like whatmore where he improve Srilanka, Bangladesh,Lancashire also NCA in India.. A Coach can only teach he cannot perform on the field on behalf of players. Misbah is the batsmen who is scoring good in the team so we cannot blame him. What kind of cricket Does Hafeez and Afridi play they will not even Qualify in Austrailian Club Cricket.

    please keep Misbah and just throw hafeez afridi Tanveer.....

  • on November 11, 2013, 22:39 GMT

    Personally, I think the only deserving and proven coach is Mohsin Khan. His results speak volumes!! I hope someone is sensible enough to good for the team for a change

  • on November 11, 2013, 21:53 GMT

    I am amazed that Mr. Sethi can announce such news while the current coach is still serving his tenure. This is certainly a moral let down. How do you suppose Mr. Whatmnore and team will play during the SL series?

  • J751 on November 10, 2013, 10:47 GMT

    Pakistan's experiences with foreign coaches in the past have not been particularly happy.Results under Whatmore have not been great.But the team was not too keen on his appointment to start with.Don't know why the PCB is so obsessed with appointing foreign coaches in the first place.There are many Pakistani cricketers who can do the job.Appointing a local coach will help to get rid of the needless controversies that arise whenever a foreign coach is appointed.But I won't be surprised,if after a while,the clock comes full circle and yet another foreign coach is appointed again.

  • on November 13, 2013, 20:39 GMT

    Told Early and Now see the horror;s as players have no coach any longer for next 3 months until he's tenure's finished.

  • on November 12, 2013, 8:56 GMT

    it's about time he went I dont see anything special in him or his training methods

  • on November 12, 2013, 8:15 GMT

    It seems PCB still has not understood the facts! Appointing foreign coaches or local coaches wont change the teams ability to perform... PCB needs to change the entire team except for 4 who have performed (Junaid, Irfan, Ajmal & Sohaib). The rest should be replaced immediately...

  • ashyusuf on November 12, 2013, 6:52 GMT

    Pakistan selectors are not select right players they give chance to veteran cricketers.

  • Bilal_S on November 11, 2013, 23:24 GMT

    PCB infuriates with every move they make. Why disclose that you are going to axe the coach 4 months before he has to go? How is he supposed to do his job in the meantime? Not like he has to take this team to play against the best team in the world on their home turf or anything...

  • Fijicricket on November 11, 2013, 23:24 GMT

    There is no point in blaming the coach when you just dont have players that can play at the level required. And doctoring pitches at home for some sort of victory in the long term makes it difficult to readjust to real pitches. Instead of getting rid of the coach, get rid of doctored pitches!

  • ameen786 on November 11, 2013, 23:17 GMT

    Dear All,

    you should understand the politics of PCB we cannot blame a Coach of Calibare like whatmore where he improve Srilanka, Bangladesh,Lancashire also NCA in India.. A Coach can only teach he cannot perform on the field on behalf of players. Misbah is the batsmen who is scoring good in the team so we cannot blame him. What kind of cricket Does Hafeez and Afridi play they will not even Qualify in Austrailian Club Cricket.

    please keep Misbah and just throw hafeez afridi Tanveer.....

  • on November 11, 2013, 22:39 GMT

    Personally, I think the only deserving and proven coach is Mohsin Khan. His results speak volumes!! I hope someone is sensible enough to good for the team for a change

  • on November 11, 2013, 21:53 GMT

    I am amazed that Mr. Sethi can announce such news while the current coach is still serving his tenure. This is certainly a moral let down. How do you suppose Mr. Whatmnore and team will play during the SL series?

  • Fineline on November 11, 2013, 18:52 GMT

    Appointing foreign coaches is not gonna work as they just come for money.PCB should learn from their mistakes and appoint deserving coaches.Our team was doing a fabulous job under Moin Khan but he was removed due to unknown reasons.

  • on November 11, 2013, 16:59 GMT

    Blaming the coach entirely for the team's results is not smart. Pakistan need to realize that they are going through a lean patch with paucity of talent. Also I have noticed that teams generally do not do well when their controlling bodies are in disarray. Language should not be a barrier at all. Communication is beyond language and understanding culture is not a big deal for an international coach these days. Those who criticize a coach of the calibre of Dav Whatmore, including the cricketers are only exposing superficial knowledge of the science of sports, the development of skills and building of a sporting psyche that nurtures a winning culture.

  • on November 11, 2013, 11:04 GMT

    Time to bring Whatmore to Sri Lanka again.

  • ICCexpert.... on November 11, 2013, 10:17 GMT

    Make Yunis captain for South Africa tour, give Misbah, Afridi, Hafeez, Ajmal rest. Include players lik Sharjeel Khan, Sohaib Maqsood, Harris Sohail, Hammad Azam, Raza Hasan and M. Talha. Create a team for future.

  • on November 11, 2013, 9:58 GMT

    Sethi should NOT have announced Whitmore's departure. Whitmore is an excellent coach who could NOT understand how the internal Pakistani politics worked and why "dead weights" were always a part of Pakistani cricket team.

    Sethi has done a disservice to Pakistan by announcing a premature departure of Whitmore and should offer his apology.

  • on November 11, 2013, 9:31 GMT

    I think his tenure proved a nightmare for Team and nation. The result team yield during his tenure can easily be achieved without any coach and the deterioration we observed is deniable. Pakistan board should hire some professional who who work professionally or go without coach id we have to loss in the manner Pakistani team shown in his era.

    Bye bye whatmore leave us and don't come back

  • on November 11, 2013, 9:31 GMT

    In my opinion it is PCB's failure for Player & Board politics which they could not get rid of. Dav Whatmore has a CV which no Pakistani coach has except Intikhab Alam. Pak players are the one who are at the loss because they could not learn from Dav. Bring back Waqar and appoint a batting coach

  • on November 11, 2013, 9:25 GMT

    Simple... Whatmore is a great coach, he has proved himself with other teams! PCB and the team need to get educated if they wish to catch up with the rest of the world,paying Miandad millions of rupees for a 1 off training session is not the way. Lawson previously complained how difficult it was to implement a strict diet into the players. Our players are over weight, have their heads up in the sky..too much politics.. it should be simple....if you cannot put in a performance after being given 5 games to prove yourself, bring in someone else. We have too many old players getting into the team due to their contacts with politicians. PCB said major changes will take place after we didnt win a single game at the ICC trophy, NOTHING CHANGED SINCE! these players are not professionals, absolute shambles from the top right thru the team. Getting a local coach is taking 10 steps back,you need an international coach, INTERNATIONAL CRICKET players who are not educateD???? GET THEM EDUCATED!

  • on November 11, 2013, 9:14 GMT

    I think it's really good call because if we have heard that when PCB was hiring whatmore meanwhile PCB got a phone call from Sirilankan team members and they told PCB not to hire him because they have already gone through with it. I really don't understand why we are paying huge money to a foreign coach, as we already know we got really big names in list like INZIMAM, ZAHEER ABBAS and the like.I really hope Pakistan team will be on top when they have a honest coach and a brave Captain.

  • on November 11, 2013, 7:49 GMT

    I don't think that the problem lies in language, cricket itself is a global language, i think it is the board, worthless domestic circuit, and players internal politics that Whatmore couldn't figure out. Whatmore is a pure and simple man, so hes having hard time to deal with all this, but still if the job is not done for whatever reasons, he should be changed, nothing personal against him, i think during his period Pakistan's, graph has fallen down, they were doing better, specially when Mohsin was around, batsmen were more confident.

  • on November 11, 2013, 7:38 GMT

    Whatmore is an excellent coach & should not be blamed for the failures of the Pakistani batsmen. Currently the bowling has been good & what needs improvement is the temperament of the batsmen. The language between the coach & the players is just an excuse for failures & should not be used to fire the coach. An interpreter could be intorduced to improve the communication & help resolve this trivial concern. In my opinion the pakistani batsmen need a psychologist more than change the coach to improve their temperament & concentration while batting. I have noticed that most of the pakistani batsmen have very good talents but fail due to lack of temperament or getting out to please the crowd or over indulging in shots that result in them loosing their wickets. Its time that PCB implements a personnel development program for the palyers & start thinking of out of the box solutions. Changing the coach will not change the attitude of the palyers

  • on November 11, 2013, 7:29 GMT

    No matter how many coaches are changed, it makes no difference. The coach will not be going on the field to perform. This is not school boy cricket that the boys have to be tutored with the basics. At the international level the players are just supposed to be polished. How is the coach responsible for a rash shot played or misfields or bad balls bowled. Player power has always been a major setback in Pakistani cricket and until this nusiance is dealt with sternly, no coach can do any good to our cricket. Aafridi, Hafeez, Umar, Misbah, Jamshed, Shahzad, and the list goes on...every single batsman is a match winner and it has been proved previously. Then its difficult to digest how is it impossible to chase a total below 300 on a good batting wicket. Something somewhere is seriously wrong and the players need to realize and accept their role and responsibility for the country.

  • on November 11, 2013, 6:48 GMT

    Actually the fact is that governance of PCB is very poor in the decision making because they only want to see their player playing in the team, either they are performing or not and one thing i can assure you all cricketing minds that none of the player in all over the countries play according to the instructions given to them, but the situation available in the field and coach gives jut few final touches to the that situation . In Our Case , our team has nothing to do with it, i.e. players having their own mind while in the field, so none of the coaches either Local or international can teach them with less minds. Sorry for harsh wordings

  • aanfrompakistan on November 11, 2013, 6:26 GMT

    Agreed that Whatmore is a great coach and i wanted him to coach pakistan as well but now i realize pakistani players need a harsh coach and captain to get best out of it, A coach and captain who doesn't spare you when u throw your wicket like pakis are doing for 2 years..... Imran Khan, Moin khan, Wasim Akram were better captains then calm captains like Waqar, Amir sohail, Saeed Anwer, Javed Miandad and now Misbah, bcoz pak guys don't perform at their potential until they are kept at their toes!!!!

  • Omar-Briganto on November 11, 2013, 6:08 GMT

    You cannot blame Dav Whatmore alone, what can he do when our batsmen are not willing to stay on wicket and continuously throw their wickets in every game. They are mentally weak with fear and lack of confidence.

    Under Misbah's captaincy the young guys does not play with attacking instincts or perhaps killer instinct, they play with defensive frame of mind and never look to score runs rather ducking lot of deliveries. I am not criticizing Misbah ul haq's batting here. I believe everyone is at fault here and need to put their act together.

    In my opinion Watmore would have given his best being an excellent professional, however there are other areas of grave concern need to be addressed.

  • on November 11, 2013, 5:48 GMT

    Players who left playing cricket 25 years ago are still interested in the job. what good a local coach can do if he is out of modern cricket for more than a decade. Miandad, Intikhab, Zaher Abbas etc. were great players but to be honest we ness start thinking beyond them. People like Waqar did a commendable job but appointing a local coach is not a solution to our problems. We have poor domestic structure, bad governance in the PCB, politics and selfishness in th epeople running the cricket affairs. PCB should groom local coaches by appointing them in cricket academies and regional teams. Right now many cricket pundits in Pakistan are only good for talk shows.

  • on November 11, 2013, 5:47 GMT

    I think it's about time we replace whatmore with a local coach. I quite agree with the fact our players are uneducated and they there's a communication gap between them. But i don't agree with all the facts. Whatmore's job is to groom the players and tell them how to play but we also need to realise our domestic circuit isn't really well maintained. Like i said in other forums, we need to bring the young guns and for that some suitable measures PCB has to make. Firstly change the domestic circuit along with the coaches and focus more on the batsman. All bowling is fine and dandy, but it's our batting that lacks technique and consistency. The lights of Inzimam as batting consultant could be a better option, however i would love to see mohsin khan as the coach again. Our team has wonders in the lights of him.

  • on November 11, 2013, 5:24 GMT

    Inzi as a batting coach is a little iffy,inzi relies on brute force and a towering personality unless our average batsmen are 6'3" 250 + his batting method Won't work. Batting coach should be a stroke maker smooth and surgical drives 1.ZaheerAbass 2.Majid Khan 3.Javed Miandad (angry at everything and nothing) 4.Saeed Anwar (threw away a career with all due respect for his Decision) 5.Muhammad yousuf (a natural born stroke maker if able to communicate To relay his blessed talent).

  • on November 11, 2013, 5:18 GMT

    I dont agree .. he has done wonders to teams like sri lanka. sri lankan language isnt english as well. Cricketers all around the world are not that educated for sure. The only problem i see with him is that over the years he has failed to find new talent neither has he improved the technique of majority of players. A country who has produced bowlers like wasim, waqar, shoaib is currently without any super quickie. The coach i think has to be blamed for this atleast.

  • on November 11, 2013, 5:01 GMT

    The team was playing really well when mohsin khan was the coach as all the players respected him..they all trusted him and he too knew that which player was capable or incapable and our team was progressing well under him...it did not make sense to me when they changed him...Pakistan team has great potential, we only need someone who understands the player and what is needed to be done to bring the best out of them..

  • Arasar on November 11, 2013, 4:57 GMT

    Crazy decision .. First they should understand that technique is more Important than language..They are making fun of coach who has done wonders with other team..In football many clubs have coach who doesn't know local language where the club has performed very well. it is the attitude is most important

  • on November 11, 2013, 4:54 GMT

    A coach does not play as much of a role in Cricket as other sports. Whatmore is a world class coach and we can't take that away from him. Face it guys, we just can't produce the batsman anymore. Our 1st class cricket is like the local club cricket in other countries.

  • on November 11, 2013, 4:27 GMT

    change of coach is not a solution for getting improvement in pakistan cricket. they should hve to improve their cricket structure in the country.first class cricket is below standred.players dont have jobs.how can quality players r produced who compete very well in international level.

  • docsunny on November 11, 2013, 3:42 GMT

    ...and we know full well the track record of Pakistani coaches . They don't want to deal with the capricious nature of Pakistans board either and most of them suffer the same fate after a series loss. Otherwise Waqar would still be coaching and Wasim would be willing to help. But bowling is fairly decent , its the batting which is an embarrassment to say the least. Who will teach them the batting skills ? does any one come to mind. In my opinion there is immediate need for a strong sports psychologist who can inculcate in them the temperament required to stay at the crease for extended time and not throw away their wicket in twenties and thirties. Lets forget about fielding for now as that would be too munch of an ask..

  • on November 11, 2013, 3:00 GMT

    Who ever replace Whatmore the batting problem is not going to change cuz changing coach can not change the mind of afridi or Jamshed etc. they got to change the batting line or they have to bring some new players cuz the don't have finishers they got bring new players with fresh mind those committed to play for win big innings. Pak team required player change not coach change

  • CricketChat on November 11, 2013, 1:53 GMT

    Doesn't matter who the next coach is, no one will last more than 2 yrs. Even Waqar Younis couldn't last long! Like for SL, BD, Pak's coaching job is a revolving chair for the foreseeable future. The fun continues.

  • IRPK on November 11, 2013, 1:34 GMT

    I think Waqar and Inzamam together can do a reasonably good job.

  • alizafar_1108 on November 11, 2013, 1:13 GMT

    We got to understand Coach cannot play in the ground he can just tell , its all depend on the player how much work hard he put in his efforts, Pakistan do not need coaches they need a good planner who could understand the situation of the game correctly and make the right decision with the captain such as change of batting order in any given situation , good selection of the team , understand the psychology of his and opponents players , understanding of pitch and ground conditions . What coach can teach the players like Misbah , Younis or Afridi , who has played so much cricket and they are about to retire , as far as Afridi goes he wll never learn will never understand its useless to waste the time on him he is such a senseless player a complete waste, known as a "ALLROUNDER" what a joke, such a over rated player.

  • Cric_fever_forever on November 11, 2013, 0:00 GMT

    actually im from old school of thought coaches doesnt win matches its capatin who does. so i wont be blaming coach. generally these days there is lot of focus around coaches by different boards i think boards should make there captain strong so that he could motivate his troops. if coaches win matches then asscoiates member must hire likes of viv richard , SRT, OR even other big names.but having said that if they are really obssesed with coaches then one must hire some one who has played in mordern era coz cricket is changed game was it was 20 years back. in this case i blame selection committe for being weak and providing captain not so strong arsnal plz publish my comments thanks

  • on November 10, 2013, 23:06 GMT

    For past few years i believe the team selection has been the biggest conundrum and simple solution to that was selecting players on merit whom have good domestic cricket averages insha allah . Now days the cricket matches pretty much overhyped by pakistan media and players get influenced by that so it will be thoughtful how the upcoming COACH will help resolve those issue of the players and their performance doesn't get affected and other will be how the coach will have his say in Selection and that is very important point and to have good governing team you need good governing board what's the future for the cricket board management of pakistan as it's undergoing changes ordered by the Pakistan Courts. So everything from top to bottom of this cricket infrastructure is undergoing changes in a way and maybe need changes to help them too for betterment insha allah thus i call this pakistan cricket revolution LOL .

  • jb633 on November 10, 2013, 23:05 GMT

    I feel the role of Pakistani coach will be impossible until the board can sort themselves out. Over the years one gets the impression that the coaches are having to do the job with both hands ties behind their back because of all the off field politics. I still rate Whatmore as an excellent coach and believe that wherever he goes next he will be a success.

  • on November 10, 2013, 22:52 GMT

    The article is just discussing DEV and pakistan coach ,so why bring in MISBAH-ul-Haq into this i.e his batting or captaincy.To me Misbah-ul-Haq initially was a player who needed to change his strategy for batting & captaincy but his recent tour to WI,SA & ZIM & UAE all showed improved Solid Character with each series masha allah ,he;s not your playing 11 there;s other players in team too so just stop just judging him & look elsewhere if you love to criticize people & judge them. Dev is history so stop criticizing him too whatever your reason either valid or invalid it just cant be justified in any way now that its part of "past".Yes anything that works with the psyche of the players will help bring change to this team for the betterment insha allah as in every game when the score reached above 250 the team seem to given up hope of reaching that target as it could be seen from the player's faces however last game team showed some courage under DEV & played like a team combined effort

  • Jda123 on November 10, 2013, 22:44 GMT

    You cant blame Whatmore, it's not his fault that the Pakistan players have no common sense.

    And Inzi didn't do anything, he was a consultant for the India tour and look at it, the batting failed in the 3rd game which I do believe was rigged.

  • Chaudry_Cricket on November 10, 2013, 22:26 GMT

    To be honest I was optimistic that he would transform our national team but I have definetly been dissapointed in his lack of out of the box ideas which Ratunga did warn the PCB about. I believe he was to laid back and let the 'senior players' call the shots. His passive approach was harmful to the team.

    I believe we should have a team director who is responsible for the planning and final 11, a bowling coach, batting coach and fielding coach.

    Bowling coach - Waqar Younis Batting coach - Inzamam, Salim Malik Fielding coach - Julien Fountain

  • on November 10, 2013, 22:09 GMT

    What's wrong with the great enzi, what about wasim akram. How about asking imran khan for help in terms of dealing with most of the things related to cricket. What about ramiz raja. Look around in your own vicinity first. Why not mohsin khan

  • on November 10, 2013, 21:24 GMT

    Misbah is the wrost ever batsman i have ever seen.. I agree he scores but at the end he gives his wicket away and then pakistan lose. he will be never a match winner .

  • on November 10, 2013, 21:04 GMT

    First of all we need to understand what is the role of a Coach at this level. We need a Coach who can understand the weakness of the team, take part in team selection, help identify new emerging talent from domestic cricket. Understand the politics between players and the board. Should be very analytical (know the international venues/pitches very well) This can only be achieved by appointing Local Coach the only trouble with that be he should be a honest man and have no match fixing and betting history. Inzi can fit in the above criteria very well but, Is he strong enough to handle the political aspect of our cricket, can he eliminate politics from cricket??

  • on November 10, 2013, 20:53 GMT

    SriLanka shud grab Whatmore R Rodrigo

  • on November 10, 2013, 20:05 GMT

    Would be better if PCB compensate 3months salary to Whatmore and let him Leave in peace instead of dragging him around with the team when everyone Knows his services won't be required soon very awkward for him and the Pakistan Players.Immediate change is required don't wait too long.

  • Behind_the_Wicket on November 10, 2013, 20:00 GMT

    @ Captain_Tuk_Tuk , Agreed about Whatmore should coach our under19 team and work without infulence of Misbah.But I am disagree about Afridi or Malik being a captain , I think these both players hardly justify their place in the team if Hafeez then he should play on 5th or 6th number and I know he is permanent ODI bowler in the team and by his econmy rate he is one of the best bowler in recent time.Fortunatily or unfortunatily Misbah is not going to leave his captaincy untill Sethi is here.

  • kickassPakistan on November 10, 2013, 19:51 GMT

    Pakistan is the untamed horse which can't be tamed. It's more hurtful than pleasurable but after Imran,no captain or coach could harness their potential to the fullest and the players themselves were to be blamed for their own follies. Cricket teams need strong captains. Misbah needs to be retained and assured of his place as a batsmen but it's time to move on and put your bet and trust on something new.

  • on November 10, 2013, 19:42 GMT

    good news ... a local coach is far more beneficial for our players

  • wrenx on November 10, 2013, 19:40 GMT

    Let's not get too carried away with Mohsin Khan. Yes, he did a great job in tests, and deserves a lot of praise for that. However, he had only one proper ODI assignment, and Pakistan bombed 4-0 under him without getting close to winning a match. If we can get Mohsin back as test coach, that would be great, he has good affinity with our future mainstays like Azhar and Shafiq. But we need a more proactive and imaginative ODI coach than Whatmore. Might be hard to convince Mohsin though, as he said: " I am always available to help Pakistan, but I don't want anyone to take me for granted" - then he got dropped for Whatmore.

  • gujratwalla on November 10, 2013, 19:14 GMT

    Whatmore may be a good coach but Sethi is right about the language barrier.Another thing is most of us Pakistanis are egotists and need a firm and hard hand to bring us back to reality.Imran Khan was one such a person who would stop the bickering on and off the field and make the team feel united.Perhaps Inzamam ul Haq would fit in but he has to stand up to the players and make them feel responsible.

  • Captain_Tuk_Tuk on November 10, 2013, 19:08 GMT

    @kingsland I hate Misbah too but we aren't suppose to talk about him like that. He is a good batsman but unfortunately he doesn't have qualities of a leader he is doing wrong selection example was preferring Umar Amin over Shoaib Maqsood we need someone like Afridi, Hafeez or even Malik to captain the side.

    As far as Whatmore coaching skills, when he used to coach KKR in IPL they were on the bottom of table and Pakistan picked him as a coach. Even Ausis sacked there coach before contact was over why can't we do the same? He can coach under 19 team until his period is over Inzi or Mohsin Hassan Khan can coach our national team instead.

  • somethingdifferent on November 10, 2013, 19:00 GMT

    Honestly Whatmore has not done that badly. One has to appreciate that he is not the one playing on the field. It is the players who need to perform and implement the strategies laid down by the coach. The primary issue is that the coach is not the one selecting the squad, if the selection panel selects undeserving players based on contacts, connections and influence, how can the coach give results with such players. The only thing he can be blamed for is incorrect selection of the playing eleven, but no one knows of the internal arrangement, may be the captain insists on the selection of certain undeserving players which is the cause of indifferent results.

  • drnaveed on November 10, 2013, 18:50 GMT

    well, misbah is the only Pakistani showing that "what is the role of a Batsman is , what are his responsibilities , he doesn't throw way his wicket mostly " .he has scored the most runs in one day this year than any one , the rest of our batsmen just don't deserve to be called batsmen.they come and go,don't want to stay on the wicket. if they keep on scoring 5 to 10 runs in each innings ,than it is better to try all new faces on each new trip, they will not have a big name and too will score same number of runs , but atleast they will have an enjoyment trip abroad as most of the current players are having. still than some friends are talking of getting rid of misbah. i think ,if he is not there , our team's score will be more regularly-regular below the 100 runs mark , whether it will be test matches or one day matches. i think so ....

  • on November 10, 2013, 18:35 GMT

    I really want inzamam as head coach because when he was the batting consultant, it really helped our batsmen. Bowling and fielding coach is fine. Maybe for more help, Muhammad yousef should be the batting coach with inzamam the head coach

  • drnaveed on November 10, 2013, 18:27 GMT

    well ,when it comes to coaching ,the Pakistani cricket team doesn't need any coaching staff at all. when miandad was the coach , urdu was the language of communication than, but even than he and the players had problem with one another. when mohsin was the coach he was giving some results , but the than board started saying that he is not a proper professional coach, and they wanted to bring a foreign coach . now , they had a professional foreign coach ,but they now have language problems and also he was not giving them the results they wanted.well , honestly speaking ,there is no role of a coach in a Pakistani team .when miandad and mohsin were the coaches ,they used to tell the boys from the boundary line to calm down,but no one listened to them.a coach is not going to go on the field and play in place of the batsmen ,it is the batsmen ,who should realize their role and responsibility as a batsmen, if they want to achieve any thing for the Country Pakistan.

  • Cpt.Meanster on November 10, 2013, 17:58 GMT

    Honestly, Dav Whatmore doesn't deserve to coach a mediocre team like Pakistan. He's better off coaching an IPL team instead who will at least play well to "win" games. This Pakistan team is so poor that they need coaches from back home to help them which means speaking Urdu is most important. A foreigner cannot form that bridge. What Pakistan need is a strong domestic structure over the present system. They need to breed batsmen who can play long, hard innings like their former greats. I have never seen a team who consistently fail to post 200 even on flat pitches. I feel sorry for their bowlers who are always under pressure to win them games from hopeless situations. Some thing has to give sooner.

  • samramzan on November 10, 2013, 17:45 GMT

    It will be good to say Goodbye to Whatmore. Though we appreciate his services and believe his true intentions for Pak but sometimes things doesn't work as it should be even with good individuals, so better to say him good bye. I recon Inzamam Ul haq to be the batting coach fore sure or also head coach if no other foreign options for head coach.

  • BilgramiH on November 10, 2013, 16:49 GMT

    I think a coach should be kept at under 19 teams level, however a manager and training team should be with the national team, in case of any technical issue or improvement the individual should be assisted by the national academy.

  • i_amVIVA on November 10, 2013, 16:44 GMT

    You need to understand: players win a game, coaches don't. Also, english is the international language, you're better of learning it. Also, Whatmore's aloofness may have something to do in it. He was wanted to stay in BD, but neglected their request, and left.....

  • Crick_Expert on November 10, 2013, 16:38 GMT

    Dav Wahtmore is great cricket coach, I don't think he is responsible in PAK defeats. Only PAK selection Board, PAK team Capt/Mr. tuktuk are responsible. So MR. Najam should fire Mr. tuktuk and Selection Board first.

  • Rubic on November 10, 2013, 16:19 GMT

    Those who are praising Mohsin for a 3-0 win to England..pls go back and read the score hour by hour and innings by innings...That could have easily be a 3-0 win for England without the DRS, miraculous bowling from Ajmal & Abdul Rehman and the two exceptional innings from Azhar, Yonus…If you able to read all those comments..you will forget the -ve approach of Misbah and DW…Waqar was much better choice but I am sure he will never re-join PCB...Actually..no sensible person will shake his hand with PCB…

  • on November 10, 2013, 16:11 GMT

    Mohsin Khan and Bob Woolmer were the best coaches in Pak history and Wat more the worst ever........

  • on November 10, 2013, 16:00 GMT

    @StarHawk well said, i think it shouldnt have been disclosed to anyone other then Dev Whatmore and closer to the time should have been revealed to the public however revealing now is still in the interests of Dev And the board insha allah as they will have more time to openly opt out for their future position decisions.

  • on November 10, 2013, 15:58 GMT

    Well, well, well! Typical Pakistan I'm afraid. My beloved countrymen, why couldn't you wait till the Coach's tenure was over to announce such news? Now all you've done is made a bigger mess out of a team that is already in tatters. And what did you all expect from Mr. Whatmore? Without any power that a head Coach and the Captain should really have over selection, even God wouldn't be able to turn a team around if he was made coach. First, send Mr. Moin Khan and his family back home from the UAE, and let the actual decision makers, Misbah and Whatmore select a team SINCERELY, without any political intervention, and then you'll see the miracles of the talent that this beloved country of mine has. But, alas, that doesn't seem like happening at least in my lifetime.

  • Nadeem1976 on November 10, 2013, 15:57 GMT

    i believe it is great time to get rid of dav and misbah and build a good aggressive ODI team for next WC in 2015. Neither dav or misbah are able to provide any substanial result in last two year. Yes misbah is in form but he is not wining matches.

    one or two match wins in 10 to 15 matches is not good performance. I think pakistan should make mohsin the coach and afridi the odi captain.

    pakistan should continue with misbah as test captain and get rid of foreign coaches as soon as possible.

  • on November 10, 2013, 15:56 GMT

    The same Whatmore as India U-19 and India NCA Academy coach brought India U-19 World Cup 2008 and helped in good development of future India stars like Virat Kohli , Ravindra Jadeja and other players .

  • StarHawk on November 10, 2013, 15:46 GMT

    PCB never ceases to amaze. Why are they announcing this in the middle of a series? What motivation will Whatmore have to help the Pakistani players for the reminder of this series, the one in SA and his final assignment in SL? Maybe they could've waited till the end of his term to announce that he will not be coming back as the Pak coach. The players will not respect him as much now that they know that he will not be continuing as their coach and it will only make matters worse for Pakistan team.

  • Energetic. on November 10, 2013, 15:34 GMT

    Pakistan team is old and untalented.

  • on November 10, 2013, 15:22 GMT

    Lastly Investment is always necessary step for results for both in terms of money and time(preparation). So the strategy should be accordingly appointing different coaches for different departments and these coaches should have a strong say in Selection of team for their specialities taking into account merit insha allah this will make the team strong for many years to come.

  • on November 10, 2013, 15:17 GMT

    Waqar younis should be bowling coach for sure NO DOUBT insha allah and saqlain mushtaq as spin bowling coach perhaps. For batting coach the services of Mohsin khan / Inzamam-ul-haq should be attained insha allah , I would say mohsin khan as he has worked with the team and understands the issue's well within board or in team perhaps but is he willing to take on the same job? maybe not after he was not appointed/approved by Zaka Ashraf in past so his appointment should be based on his interest otherwise it may not work out as he may not be interested to deliver with full-heartedness. GOOD LUCK in your decisions insha allah :D . I just wish to see a strong cricket foundation in pakistan which may benefit all its associates insha allah

  • Manager_Alamgir on November 10, 2013, 14:57 GMT

    Pakistan team should have a psychologist onboard. a trainer and a manager.. I don't know if a coach has ever done any good for Pak team. several coaches should be available at the National cricket academies at regional levels and major city cricket centers. Manager should manage the team, groom it and provide a mentoring role. The salary we pay for a coach for Pak team can make way for payment to groom more coaches as given above. The local coaches were replaced with foreign to avoid regional politics and avoid confrontations between players and coach. PCB should make sure that the players are atleast HSSC cleared and include raw illiterate talent into an education plan along with grooming them.

  • on November 10, 2013, 14:48 GMT

    guys we lost 4-0 right after white wash of england under mohsin khans coaching.

  • Rajesh.Kumar on November 10, 2013, 14:27 GMT

    Poor Whatmore, I feel sorry for him. What can a coach do when the players simply don't have the skills to play cricket at this level? Pakistan team is composed of gentlemen who can't bat, bowl, or field, yet they want to play cricket!!!

  • Kays789 on November 10, 2013, 14:22 GMT

    Maybe thy could all learn some english so that the services of great coaches like this aren't wasted?

  • JB34 on November 10, 2013, 13:51 GMT

    It was a shame when Mohsin Khan was replaced as coach by Dave Watmore by the then PCB Chairman Zaka Ashraf because Mohsin had an extra-ordinarily successful tenure.

    This wrong decision has hurt Pakistan team badly and it is about time to rectify it.

  • on November 10, 2013, 13:47 GMT

    I think its good time to bring some innovative coach and bold captain. Misbah is good player and must remain part of team. YK can also be brought back to strength the middle order. But both of these should be given a role in team. Drop Hafeez and bring in some more young guys from U19. Bring Afridi at number 4 and if he fails , Say him Good buy. Umar Akmal should play up the order. Bottom line is, Aggression is always the best defense for Pakistan team. we don't need a coward captain.

  • on November 10, 2013, 13:38 GMT

    Give him a Farewell.

  • on November 10, 2013, 13:34 GMT

    Well I guess Mohsin hassan khan did a great results of his coaching, he is also a positive and aggressive approach of mind, Inzamam-ul-haq is another good option he was a world class plyaer also can improve batting of Pakistan team as he did with Indian tour and he is a senior player very respected, another option is make Mohsin hassan khan as a head coach and Inzi bhai as a batting coach, bowling coach must b the Legend Wasin Akram not M Akram PCB should think about batting and bowling coaches also spin bowling coaches such as Abdul Qadir or Saqlain Mushtaq

  • on November 10, 2013, 13:19 GMT

    The horrible problems of Pak cricket team are biased selection and fearful and poor batting line-up. Its proved by fearless batting performance of debutant Sohaib Maqsood and poor batting by remaining batsmen in 4th OID against SA. The team performance can only be improved by keeping all politicians away from decision makings related to team.

  • loke_cricfan on November 10, 2013, 13:01 GMT

    Its time for Pakistan to hire batting coach from India, because the batting is their main concern, hence communication will not be a problem. Should try to hire Rahul Dravid or VVS....We Indians should hire bowling coach from Pakistan Waqar Bhai, Saqlain, or Wasim....

  • on November 10, 2013, 12:59 GMT

    PCB should give whatamore a well deserved farewell after SL series. Hope Pakistani team contribute to his farewell by winning both test and limited over series.

  • on November 10, 2013, 12:54 GMT

    What the hell they were thinking when they were hiring Him.Such a waste of time,money.Former crickets should be appointed for Coaching.Why not ask Moin Khan,Inzi Bhai,Wasim Akram,Miandad to coach team specially in critical tours.

  • wrenx on November 10, 2013, 12:52 GMT

    Good news. Foreign or local, as long as it's not Whatmore

  • on November 10, 2013, 12:52 GMT

    I think Mohsin Khan did a great job while he was there as an interim coach before Whatmore. IMO he should be considered for the position.

  • CricketFever11 on November 10, 2013, 12:40 GMT

    In order to bring cricket back to Pakistan and to improve the image of the country, Pakistan should appoint a foreign coach. It is not all about winning. It is a long term vision.

  • imranmujtaba on November 10, 2013, 12:25 GMT

    good coach but destroyed by PCB poor strategy and Misbah very poor leadership. why captain is not made accountable for losses as well. Pak should get rid of Misbah..... Dev Whatmore has done very well with many countries ---- I believe Misbah is main cause of Dev's downfall (Pak team distruction as well) . Misbah can not handle pressure and he can not response to presssure - he has not learnt in last 4 years and clearly it become more difficult with his age..... Pak will see result if they get rid of Misbah atleast from ODI and T20.... His attitude is even not acceptable todays' test cricket.

  • 4_Best_Cricket on November 10, 2013, 12:23 GMT

    Good news for Pakistan. No more foreign coach as language remains a huge barrier.

    Now please get a local 'urdu speaking coach who can better guide Pakistan team and someone who can help Pakistani batsmen with their mental strength. Pakistani batsmen certainly have the talent, just not mental strength. If you already have talented coaches at home, why look abroad?

  • Batmanindallas on November 10, 2013, 12:21 GMT

    I dont get it. PCB knew the english speaking skills of the team before Whatmore was appointed. They believed either Pakistani players will speak English or Whatmore learn Punjabi in a few months time. Foreign coaches have succeeded in India and Lanka as they are better at the language and communicate with the coaches

  • Metro-ant on November 10, 2013, 12:09 GMT

    Bring him back to Sri Lanka. We need to go back to basics and I'm sure we'll achieve that if he's at the helm. They should have given him more time because the language barrier is a terrible excuse if you are an international team.

  • on November 10, 2013, 12:02 GMT

    Changing Misbah along with Whatmore would certainly help pakistan cricket. these 2 gentlemen have confined team in a shell. where they are not allowed to play their natural game. We need aggressive & shrewd coach. Moin would b a better choice...

  • on November 10, 2013, 12:02 GMT

    no more foriegn coach. just get local and more importantly ex batting great.

  • on November 10, 2013, 11:47 GMT

    Whatmore done well and he's a very good coach ; though the fact this team doesnt understand english well so maybe it's better for the players to have someone whom they can talk to freely and discuss their problems insha allah , BUT he (whatmore) has done tremendous hard work with this team NO DOUBT and is very top class coach .

  • on November 10, 2013, 11:47 GMT

    I think the defensive approach of Misbah and Whatmore has dint Pakistan cricket very badly. Pakistan team is very talented and players are aggressive in nature, so it will be better to replace coach and captain with anyone who is a good coach and a better strategist. Also the selection committee must be changed completely they dont know hoe to get cream from milk.

  • on November 10, 2013, 11:42 GMT

    What's happening with Pakistan cricket has nothing to do with Whatmore its the players fault they are just playing poorly

  • on November 10, 2013, 11:40 GMT

    its total players option that they play well or not each & every players knows very well how to play but if they don't play for success than how any coach gets batter result select some sincere players is batter than change the coach if you select wrong team than what will do any coach please change the dev whatmore because he is very expencive for pakistan hire any pakistani coach who batter than dev but select rite players who play for pakistan not for each others or play themselfs

  • on November 10, 2013, 11:32 GMT

    i don't think that it will change the team loosing habits because dev or any other local coach can advice players but its players duty to perform in the field any coach can't do if pakistan's players realy play for country play for success they will beat any team at any place of the world all the players are most experinced and had lot of international experience no one can teach them like mr boom boom play more than 350 ODI's and no coach changed him as math finisher player its their own duty to play batter & best so i think dosen't matter local or forin coach but a imported coach effect PCB's accounts not the players if Mr sethi realy want for batter team he should some kick out non perfomance players from team and always team select 110% on marrit

  • THOR7 on November 10, 2013, 11:30 GMT

    Pakistan used to play well under attacking captains like Imran Khan/Wasim Akram/Afridi etc... Thats their natural game... They need to attack but sadly, Misbah is not an attacking type of captain... Pakistan needs to look at an attacking pair of openers like Umar Akmal, Shahid Afridi etc...

  • on November 10, 2013, 11:29 GMT

    He may be good guy & coach.

    I think it is right step but i must say spoken out early. still 2 series ( short tour to SA m & SL tour ) left during his tenure so it should not have been said now so openly.

    Some body mentioned here that misbah's strategy..

    But it is coach's job to tell captain if he is not doing right thing or not selecting right players in playing 11.

    Or there are any other issues going on in dressing rooms then its coach's job to address those issues.

    Batting has been issue for a while but has he asked board for a batting coach?

    Also i think communication gap is a big problem. I dont think guys like M Irfan who cannot speak english may be able to understand him .

    However this is not the lone reason for failures. You have to look at team selection, and more importantly address the dressing room politics.

    It has been stated in media many times that something is going on in dressing room. some ex cricketers also raised concerns on some senior players in team.

  • on November 10, 2013, 11:15 GMT

    Dean Jones best coach

  • Cric_fever_forever on November 10, 2013, 11:13 GMT

    nothing surprising to me. this was always on the cards. u can feel it if ur were pak fan.i think next 10 to 12 days b4 south africa tour begins we might see new coach. i guess this is the start. who knows capatin might be nxt in line.

  • on November 10, 2013, 11:04 GMT

    Whatmore is not an outstanding coach and Misbah is not a great captain. Yes, Misbah is a good player but so defensive approach. Is there any problem if Umer Akmal and Ahmed Shahzad open in one day matches, Asad Shafique comes as one down and then Misbah himself....

  • on November 10, 2013, 10:55 GMT

    Pakistan team has a lot of talent and our team is an attacking team we don't need coach we need planner who give plan to team plus and an attacking captain like Imran Khan.

  • Stark62 on November 10, 2013, 10:49 GMT

    I think the real problem is the selection committee!!

    The fact that, guys like Shafiq, Amin, Malik (many opportunities) and Faisal were chosen ahead of a talented guy like Sohaib is a real concern.

    You have to step back and think, how many more talented and deserving players are being kept out?

    Lastly, Misbah's strategy of keeping wickets for the latter overs is good, IF you're batting first but a disaster if you're chasing because you should look to reach the target as quickly as possible and Ind are a prime example (i.e. Ind vs Aus 2nd ODI).

  • RafPragmatic on November 10, 2013, 10:22 GMT

    Whatmore failed badly as Pakistan Coach.He lacks in strategies and is predictable. His plans to confront South African challenge were pretty ordinary. I would've liked to see him taking some risks with new players and playing some attacking Cricket. Pakistan is good when we attack, defense is not what goes with us! He should've know it better.

  • Smiling on November 10, 2013, 10:16 GMT

    The toughest gig in world cricket, I bet Whatmore will be a happier man when he finishes this job. When your hands are tied, your mouth sewn shut the whole time no one benefits. Check out Whatmore's record before this and you wonder why on so many levels this one didn't go to plan. Saw him live on GEO and he said he could close his eyes and name a whole list of up and coming players ready and waiting. Obviously his word and knowledge means nothing to them, so leave them well alone Mr Whatmore and move on to greener climes. Only Pakistanis should coach Pakistan.

  • on November 10, 2013, 10:06 GMT

    Pakistan team need a mental coach not a cricket coach they just forget how to won a match there is a lack of planning in the team and no one take responsibility they just through away there wickets after having set on the crease they must learn how to finish the game making fifty odd and getting out in the middle phase is not done

  • on November 10, 2013, 9:53 GMT

    Rubbish statement. Mr.Sethi should be bold enough in stating that Whatmore hasn't achieved much during his time. If he had done well then why not extend his contract? In my opinion Mohsin hasan khan did an excellent job before whatemore destroyed it.

  • on November 10, 2013, 9:49 GMT

    India took a good decision and didn't appoint him!

  • on November 10, 2013, 9:49 GMT

    India took a good decision and didn't appoint him!

  • on November 10, 2013, 9:53 GMT

    Rubbish statement. Mr.Sethi should be bold enough in stating that Whatmore hasn't achieved much during his time. If he had done well then why not extend his contract? In my opinion Mohsin hasan khan did an excellent job before whatemore destroyed it.

  • on November 10, 2013, 10:06 GMT

    Pakistan team need a mental coach not a cricket coach they just forget how to won a match there is a lack of planning in the team and no one take responsibility they just through away there wickets after having set on the crease they must learn how to finish the game making fifty odd and getting out in the middle phase is not done

  • Smiling on November 10, 2013, 10:16 GMT

    The toughest gig in world cricket, I bet Whatmore will be a happier man when he finishes this job. When your hands are tied, your mouth sewn shut the whole time no one benefits. Check out Whatmore's record before this and you wonder why on so many levels this one didn't go to plan. Saw him live on GEO and he said he could close his eyes and name a whole list of up and coming players ready and waiting. Obviously his word and knowledge means nothing to them, so leave them well alone Mr Whatmore and move on to greener climes. Only Pakistanis should coach Pakistan.

  • RafPragmatic on November 10, 2013, 10:22 GMT

    Whatmore failed badly as Pakistan Coach.He lacks in strategies and is predictable. His plans to confront South African challenge were pretty ordinary. I would've liked to see him taking some risks with new players and playing some attacking Cricket. Pakistan is good when we attack, defense is not what goes with us! He should've know it better.

  • Stark62 on November 10, 2013, 10:49 GMT

    I think the real problem is the selection committee!!

    The fact that, guys like Shafiq, Amin, Malik (many opportunities) and Faisal were chosen ahead of a talented guy like Sohaib is a real concern.

    You have to step back and think, how many more talented and deserving players are being kept out?

    Lastly, Misbah's strategy of keeping wickets for the latter overs is good, IF you're batting first but a disaster if you're chasing because you should look to reach the target as quickly as possible and Ind are a prime example (i.e. Ind vs Aus 2nd ODI).

  • on November 10, 2013, 10:55 GMT

    Pakistan team has a lot of talent and our team is an attacking team we don't need coach we need planner who give plan to team plus and an attacking captain like Imran Khan.

  • on November 10, 2013, 11:04 GMT

    Whatmore is not an outstanding coach and Misbah is not a great captain. Yes, Misbah is a good player but so defensive approach. Is there any problem if Umer Akmal and Ahmed Shahzad open in one day matches, Asad Shafique comes as one down and then Misbah himself....

  • Cric_fever_forever on November 10, 2013, 11:13 GMT

    nothing surprising to me. this was always on the cards. u can feel it if ur were pak fan.i think next 10 to 12 days b4 south africa tour begins we might see new coach. i guess this is the start. who knows capatin might be nxt in line.

  • on November 10, 2013, 11:15 GMT

    Dean Jones best coach