South Africa v Australia, 2nd Test, Johannesburg, 2nd day November 18, 2011

Time for Ponting to walk

Good timing is one of the finest attributes a batsman can possess. Ricky Ponting needs to show his by retiring after this Test. It's time to take the blinkers off and see the bigger picture
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John Inverarity, Australia's new national selector, said before this match that blooding young players was desirable but "you have got to balance that with picking your best side". Sadly, it has reached that point with Ricky Ponting where no balancing is required. Difficult as it is to accept, he is no longer part of Australia's best XI or of their long-term future.

Of course, at his peak he would be the first picked in the side. But with each failure, Ponting's peak becomes a more distant memory. A 36-year-old who averages 25.44 in his past 14 Tests cannot continue to be selected indefinitely, regardless of his greatness - and there is no question that Ponting is one of Australia's all-time greats.

Ponting has achieved everything there is to achieve in cricket and should end his career on his own terms. Even if he manages a match-winning century in the second innings in Johannesburg, he should not play on. Ponting has grabbed plenty of opportunities over the years and that would be the perfect chance to go out on a high, allowing regeneration during next month's series against New Zealand.

As Ponting walked off the Wanderers in his 156th match in the baggy green - the same number played by Allan Border, who bowed out in South Africa in 1994 - he kicked the ground in frustration. Another duck. Another lbw shuffling across his stumps. And agonisingly, it seemed inevitable. He was out the same way in both innings in Cape Town and once during the tour match in Potchefstroom.

With every poor result it gets harder for Ponting to make that career-ending call, for he wants another chance to prove that he still has it. For the selectors, their decision is only becoming easier. They have introduced Pat Cummins in this Test and he has shown encouraging signs. They handed Shaun Marsh a debut in Sri Lanka and he responded with a century. They want to give other young men a chance.

Cummins was not yet born when Ponting made his first-class debut, but this is as much a matter of form as forward planning. On neither count can Ponting continue to justify his place in the team.

His duck at the Wanderers was the seventh time in the past 13 innings that he has failed to reach double figures. His last half-century came in the opening Test of the Ashes, nearly a year ago. He last scored a Test hundred 22 months ago. He cannot risk becoming a burden on a developing side.

He has been overtaken by Marsh at No.3 and every Test that he remains in the team, he prevents a young man like Usman Khawaja or David Warner from being given a chance. It can be argued that they are not in Ponting's class, and over his career that is clearly true. But not this year. And not this version of Ponting.

Ponting has been overtaken by Shaun Marsh at No.3 and every Test that he remains in the team, he prevents a young man like Usman Khawaja or David Warner from being given a chance. It can be argued that they are not in Ponting's class, and over his career that is clearly true. But not this year. And not this version of Ponting.

"Test cricket is very tough to come in and do well," Steve Waugh, former Australia captain, said on Thursday. "You want to ideally bring [young players] into an environment where they're not playing the best side in the world but a team that's five or six in the world. New Zealand would be a good time to bring someone in."

To play Ponting against New Zealand might sound like a good idea. He could regain his touch against a side that nearly lost to Zimbabwe earlier this month. But runs against Ross Taylor's men would prove little, and would be no gauge to how he would perform in a tough home series against India.

In late 2008, Brett Lee was under pressure and took nine wickets in a Test against New Zealand to shake off any doubts about his position. In his next two Tests, he faced a much tougher South African side and took 1 for 249 in a series loss. He did not play Test cricket again.

Australia cannot afford to make a similar mistake with Ponting. Better to give Khawaja a chance to settle into the team, or Warner an opportunity to prove himself. They can't do much worse than Ponting is at the moment, and the upside to giving them experience is significant.

There is nothing left for Ponting to achieve. He is Australia's leading Test run-scorer and the third-highest in the world. He is the only man to have played in 100 Test victories. He has captained more Test-winning teams than anyone else in history. He has played in series wins in every country, a feat that few cricketers achieve.

He is in every way one of the greats. Rod Marsh predicted as much when he first saw Ponting as a 16-year-old prodigy at the academy in Adelaide.

Having spent close to 20 years with a single-minded focus on the game, perhaps Ponting cannot envisage life beyond cricket. But at 36 and with two young children, it can be every bit as rewarding as his playing career. It's time to take the blinkers off and see the bigger picture.

Brydon Coverdale is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • POSTED BY TheOnlyEmperor on | November 21, 2011, 8:16 GMT

    The OZ board will keep Ponting on the pitch as long as Sachin and Dravid are around. If Ponting were to be given the boot now, his average would be be just about 53, VERY average. The Oz would then also see Kallis and Sangakkara go past him and Ponting legendary status would be as dead as the Tasmanian tiger. People would come and go, but Ponting would never be dropped. He'll survive the next ashes series and prosper when he plays Zimbabwe and Bangladesh. The Oz will keep chanting "Ponting is the next greatest batsman after Bradman" till Ponting scores a century and then claim "I told you so". As for me, I'm just waiting for Kallis to go past Ponting in the aggregate list now that he is already ahead in the centuries list...

  • POSTED BY GoldenAgePrince on | November 21, 2011, 7:12 GMT

    The knives are out for Ponting, and there are not many people standing for him. The main argument against him is that other youngsters are not getting a chance. But all said, I think putting too many youngsters can also lead to the downfall of a team. Besides, Ponting in many ways brings to Australian dressing room, what Sachin brings to India. I think by his presence there, he can help groom new players. I think in knife edge match situations, you need experience of players like Ponting. Also, he can be a good help to Clarke in crunch situations.

  • POSTED BY maddy20 on | November 20, 2011, 1:25 GMT

    @5wombats I have never seen you praise a player than one of your own, but get this. The no.1 position will not last long. If SA beats Aus in this test they will move up to 122 point and if England lose to a spin heavy Pakistan(1-0) they will go down 5 points and will be back to no 2 , 2-0 they will go down 6 rating points. Even a 1-1 draw in all tests will push England to no 2. End note, Eng will lose no.1 ranking by 2012 feb or even sooner(by Jan 7, 2012) if SA beat SL 3-0(SA will have 126 rating points, Eng has 125) and then ofcourse there is the tour of India where our spinners will tear through your batting lineup.

  • POSTED BY maddy20 on | November 20, 2011, 1:04 GMT

    Regardless of Ponting's performance in recent times, he should be given another chance when Aus tours NZ. That will be his best chance to score some runs and build up some confidence. If he cannot score there it is safe to say that he will not score anywhere else and he can call it a day/selectors may show him the door.

  • POSTED BY hyclass on | November 19, 2011, 23:29 GMT

    How is it possible for so many players to be performing below their best in a team replete with top level coaches.How are so many players injured so often in a team filled with physios,strength & conditioning coaches.How are those coaches appointed & by what measure are the physios employed.The wrong people,in the players are being targeted.So many arrived in this side & then lost form & fitness,that it must dawn on people that the players are in a badly flawed environment-hence Argus.Ponting is a master batsman.How hard can it be to coach him?Haddins coach was a keeper.What happened?Marsh hasnt played more than 5 Shield games in a season in over 3 years due to his back.Why was he selected as a long term option?Harris is constantly injured.Why was he selected for Tests?Warner has only 3 1st class 100s ever.Hes never played at the Gabba,Adelaide Oval & has 0 in his only innings at the WACA.His success has come vs weak attacks on flat pitches & small grounds.His record is full of holes.

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 17:33 GMT

    ponting should retire only after the end of indias tour of australia so that we can see ishant-ponting and sachin battle once again

  • POSTED BY Scube on | November 19, 2011, 17:04 GMT

    @ Mikecricket & Travelunlimited: Pls note that this is already the last test of the series! This isn't a 3 test series! By the way, I don't know what Clarke was trying at the start of this series when he sounded a "Ponting warning" predicting him to have the best series of his career! Probably that added further pressure on Ponting and he now has one innings to save his captain's face!

  • POSTED BY cheguramana on | November 19, 2011, 16:15 GMT

    Ponting is one of the all time greats from Australia. Also one of the greatest batsman in the world. There's nothing left for him to achieve. arguably, his achievements as batsman and captain are ahead of his illustrious predecessors, viz., Steve waugh, mark Taylor and Allan border. Certainly on personal milestones with the bat and as captain of world cup winning teams, he's ahead of them. The only blemish is that of having lost the Ashes thrice as captain, which is a first in Australian cricke history. But really, how can u blame only Ponting for that? Fact is, there's seems to be no compelling reason for him to continue. Sure, Steve Waugh had grand send-off when he retired. if pointing is waiting for a similar 'retire on a high' scenario, that's a bit selfish. Timing is everything as a batsman ! Among all the batting greats, perhaps only Sunil gavaskar timed his retirement perfectly!

  • POSTED BY m_ilind on | November 19, 2011, 15:49 GMT

    Ponting needs to enjoy his cricket like Sachin, now that he is free from the burden of captaincy. He is too good a player to be dropped.

  • POSTED BY dariuscorny on | November 19, 2011, 15:41 GMT

    @ 5wombats ur joy can be understood, as once in a lifetime English team can get to the number one ranking in tests.but sorry to say very soon u will witness ur team being toppled from the top position.say in 4-5 mnths time.well talking about Ponting i feel he is still capable of carring this Australian team forward as this Aussie team desperately needs a Legend of his class its just a matter of one good innings.we would love to see Ponting of old as the game needs players like him.come on Ponting

  • POSTED BY TheOnlyEmperor on | November 21, 2011, 8:16 GMT

    The OZ board will keep Ponting on the pitch as long as Sachin and Dravid are around. If Ponting were to be given the boot now, his average would be be just about 53, VERY average. The Oz would then also see Kallis and Sangakkara go past him and Ponting legendary status would be as dead as the Tasmanian tiger. People would come and go, but Ponting would never be dropped. He'll survive the next ashes series and prosper when he plays Zimbabwe and Bangladesh. The Oz will keep chanting "Ponting is the next greatest batsman after Bradman" till Ponting scores a century and then claim "I told you so". As for me, I'm just waiting for Kallis to go past Ponting in the aggregate list now that he is already ahead in the centuries list...

  • POSTED BY GoldenAgePrince on | November 21, 2011, 7:12 GMT

    The knives are out for Ponting, and there are not many people standing for him. The main argument against him is that other youngsters are not getting a chance. But all said, I think putting too many youngsters can also lead to the downfall of a team. Besides, Ponting in many ways brings to Australian dressing room, what Sachin brings to India. I think by his presence there, he can help groom new players. I think in knife edge match situations, you need experience of players like Ponting. Also, he can be a good help to Clarke in crunch situations.

  • POSTED BY maddy20 on | November 20, 2011, 1:25 GMT

    @5wombats I have never seen you praise a player than one of your own, but get this. The no.1 position will not last long. If SA beats Aus in this test they will move up to 122 point and if England lose to a spin heavy Pakistan(1-0) they will go down 5 points and will be back to no 2 , 2-0 they will go down 6 rating points. Even a 1-1 draw in all tests will push England to no 2. End note, Eng will lose no.1 ranking by 2012 feb or even sooner(by Jan 7, 2012) if SA beat SL 3-0(SA will have 126 rating points, Eng has 125) and then ofcourse there is the tour of India where our spinners will tear through your batting lineup.

  • POSTED BY maddy20 on | November 20, 2011, 1:04 GMT

    Regardless of Ponting's performance in recent times, he should be given another chance when Aus tours NZ. That will be his best chance to score some runs and build up some confidence. If he cannot score there it is safe to say that he will not score anywhere else and he can call it a day/selectors may show him the door.

  • POSTED BY hyclass on | November 19, 2011, 23:29 GMT

    How is it possible for so many players to be performing below their best in a team replete with top level coaches.How are so many players injured so often in a team filled with physios,strength & conditioning coaches.How are those coaches appointed & by what measure are the physios employed.The wrong people,in the players are being targeted.So many arrived in this side & then lost form & fitness,that it must dawn on people that the players are in a badly flawed environment-hence Argus.Ponting is a master batsman.How hard can it be to coach him?Haddins coach was a keeper.What happened?Marsh hasnt played more than 5 Shield games in a season in over 3 years due to his back.Why was he selected as a long term option?Harris is constantly injured.Why was he selected for Tests?Warner has only 3 1st class 100s ever.Hes never played at the Gabba,Adelaide Oval & has 0 in his only innings at the WACA.His success has come vs weak attacks on flat pitches & small grounds.His record is full of holes.

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 17:33 GMT

    ponting should retire only after the end of indias tour of australia so that we can see ishant-ponting and sachin battle once again

  • POSTED BY Scube on | November 19, 2011, 17:04 GMT

    @ Mikecricket & Travelunlimited: Pls note that this is already the last test of the series! This isn't a 3 test series! By the way, I don't know what Clarke was trying at the start of this series when he sounded a "Ponting warning" predicting him to have the best series of his career! Probably that added further pressure on Ponting and he now has one innings to save his captain's face!

  • POSTED BY cheguramana on | November 19, 2011, 16:15 GMT

    Ponting is one of the all time greats from Australia. Also one of the greatest batsman in the world. There's nothing left for him to achieve. arguably, his achievements as batsman and captain are ahead of his illustrious predecessors, viz., Steve waugh, mark Taylor and Allan border. Certainly on personal milestones with the bat and as captain of world cup winning teams, he's ahead of them. The only blemish is that of having lost the Ashes thrice as captain, which is a first in Australian cricke history. But really, how can u blame only Ponting for that? Fact is, there's seems to be no compelling reason for him to continue. Sure, Steve Waugh had grand send-off when he retired. if pointing is waiting for a similar 'retire on a high' scenario, that's a bit selfish. Timing is everything as a batsman ! Among all the batting greats, perhaps only Sunil gavaskar timed his retirement perfectly!

  • POSTED BY m_ilind on | November 19, 2011, 15:49 GMT

    Ponting needs to enjoy his cricket like Sachin, now that he is free from the burden of captaincy. He is too good a player to be dropped.

  • POSTED BY dariuscorny on | November 19, 2011, 15:41 GMT

    @ 5wombats ur joy can be understood, as once in a lifetime English team can get to the number one ranking in tests.but sorry to say very soon u will witness ur team being toppled from the top position.say in 4-5 mnths time.well talking about Ponting i feel he is still capable of carring this Australian team forward as this Aussie team desperately needs a Legend of his class its just a matter of one good innings.we would love to see Ponting of old as the game needs players like him.come on Ponting

  • POSTED BY purposeful on | November 19, 2011, 15:34 GMT

    Dont compare ponting with indian batsmen who only score in their country and for themselves ponting has done well all around the world and won matches for his country, its time to call it a day, just like what collingwood did and see the england side today! and india will suffer badly when all their great batsmen will retire at same time leaving team in disarray!

  • POSTED BY stFleming on | November 19, 2011, 15:16 GMT

    Aah well Ricky Ponting is one of my favourite batsman of all time...I m really disappointed and disheartened to see him struggle so much...I expected him to play next year as well...But i don't think this will ever happen again...If Ponting wants to save his career, then he'll hv to play out of his skin and score a century in the final innings...Good Luck to the true Legend Ricky Ponting who is according to me better than Sachin Tendulkar...

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 15:15 GMT

    Well said, Bryan: as you've said, the best thing would be for Ponting to retire, rather than being forced out. In spite of all the praise you've given Ponting, many commenters here still think Ponting's greatness is not appreciated. Dealing with aging greats is always a challenge. Some do push through the lean patch and become like Dravid. But not everyone. At some point, if Ponting continues this way, he's got to go.

  • POSTED BY Saksham197 on | November 19, 2011, 15:03 GMT

    For all those citing the example of Sachin and Rahul Dravid, think about it. Pontings lean phase dates back to 2009. Dravids lean phase was barely a few months. But everyone remembers it because it was overhyped since he was old and not scoring. Its very easy to target such kind of people. But Dravid is a class apart. His technique is almost perfect, if not totally perfect. Not everyone is in his league. I'm not saying Ponting is not good enough. But citing his example to say that Ponting will hit back may not be the right thing. Yes, it can definitely inspire Ponting to do better, but 2 years is a VERY long time to have a pronged lean phase, both in Tests and ODIs. It might be a bitter pill to swallow, but probably the Australian batting great's playing days are behind him. If he really did have to bounce back, he would hav till now. Two years is a LOT of time to "bounce back".

  • POSTED BY Wefinishthis on | November 19, 2011, 14:56 GMT

    While we're removing Ponting, could we PLEASE finally get rid of the pathetic Peter Siddle? All this talk of heart is irrelevant if he is USELESS! I could bowl plenty of rubbish deliveries with plenty of heart as well. Also please remove Johnson and Haddin and put Hughes and Clarke on notice as well. The ONLY players deserving their spots right now are Watson, Marsh and Harris and all three are injury-prone. Lyon and Hussey had a good tour in SL so they're forgiven. Rogers and D.Hussey should have already been in the team during this transition period. The team we need going forward is: Warner, Marsh, Khawaja, Clarke, Hussey, Watson, Wade, Butterworth, O'Keefe, Cummins/Harris (when fit), Copeland. Reserves would include Cooper, Cutting, Faulkner and Coulter-Nile. I never want to see Hilfenhaus, Johnson or Siddle playing for Australia ever again. We will never be no.1 carrying those 3 in the team. Even Chris Gayle basically said they were rubbish.

  • POSTED BY vaidyar on | November 19, 2011, 14:55 GMT

    In case of Dravid, although the form had dipped, he never went 13 tests or 2 years without a century. Everytime there was an easy pitch, he made it count. Even in bad form, he got the century against SA on a belter. Like one commentator said, "I'll give him 10 tests. If he can't come good, I'll drop him". In the 7th such test in the sequence, he made it count with the century at Mohali. His bad form was never that extended with a total dry spell for centuries. Ponting has gone far too long and looks like being sorted out! I'd say he's probably in his 5th or 6th test of trials. His century against India in the WC was a class act. So probably he can come good. Or that might be his last. No way to tell. Going to be a call of faith for the selectors if they keep him on.

  • POSTED BY Sameer-hbk on | November 19, 2011, 14:46 GMT

    When talking about the retirement frenzy that arose a few years back regarding Tendulkar, I remeber Peter Roebuck penning down an article that said "Leave a genius to his own devices". Without wanting to start discussions on Ponting vs SRT, I must say the same holds for Ricky. Unlike lara and Sachin Ponting has always been a very polarizing individual. People love him and others love to hate him. Irrespective of where u stand he is a modern day great and his retirement should be a decision best left to him.

    A man as proud as Ricky Ponting would not wanna earn a spot on favors for sure!! He knows...

  • POSTED BY cric_freak88 on | November 19, 2011, 14:14 GMT

    well some ppl made a big deal of katich being axed , i tell u what ? had ponting been dropped prior to the SA series , im sure u would've written an article on how can they(selectors) drop ponting !! its just a matter of time, im sure hes gona make tons of more runs , he is 36 ( dravid went through a drought when he was also 36 , see he has came out a winner all the way , being india;s best batsman in 2011(not to mention he's 38). a big hundred from ponting is around the corner !

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 14:06 GMT

    johnson should also be dropped forever.......dnt know why there is scarcity of fast bowlers in australia

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 14:00 GMT

    Ponting's pull and hook are exemplary.Nobody plays the pull and hook better than him.I would pay anytime to watch a rocked back six over square leg pull of Ponting.A bad patch isnt just enough to tick off somebody like Ricky Ponting.If the Aussie selectors do make a mistake of leaving Ponting out they have some huge boots to fill which is too much to ask for the likes of khwaja and co.and @Si Jacob tagging India as minnows is awesome humour.One bad series doesnt make you minnows,if thats the case,the Aussies and The englishmen have been minnows since long then,with whitewashes in India.Even with exemplary bowling units as proclaimed,i dont see a lot of success for South Africa and England in the previous years and for time to come leaving out certian exceptions.Aussie bowling attack is far from good at the moment.Hope to see Ponting play through all this,and silence all his critics.

  • POSTED BY sansyas on | November 19, 2011, 13:46 GMT

    we'll he is only 36 . he has achieved everyhing in his cricket carrier ,but he should be given the chance against newzealand and india . Australia requires him especially against india. One of the greatest player. whether i like or dislike him i like his timing a lot. SALUTE TO SUCH A GREAT PLAYER.

  • POSTED BY cricketpurist on | November 19, 2011, 13:43 GMT

    They said "Endulkar" ,crack in the "Wall" ,and see whats happening now!!God is back with a bang & every one chanting "great wall of India" please d'ont write off Ponting wait with patience there is more to come from the champion...

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 13:28 GMT

    Under tough conditions, Ponting's class will show. Ponting should take regular breaks and come back fresh as we see Sachin taking numerous breaks.

  • POSTED BY Saksham197 on | November 19, 2011, 13:21 GMT

    yeah..beat india in the comforts of your own backyard and get excited. Come play a test series in india, you'll know what exactly a whitewash is. Trust me, there is no team in the world which are true world beaters like the australian team of the last decade. They beat everyone, everywhere. Not just at home. At the moment, all teams are just lions in their own backyard. Go somewhere else, and even an average team beats you in home conditions. Just the way England made merry at home this summer.

  • POSTED BY AlanHarrison on | November 19, 2011, 13:11 GMT

    Interesting how much discussion the idea of discarding Ponting has evoked: this discussion now has more comments than Ponting has caps! Decisions like this are always difficult. Interesting to note Steve Waugh chipping in implying Ponting should be dropped: some might say that he has a vested interest in protecting his Australian record for the number of test caps, but perhaps he's also remembering the end of his brother's career in 2002: the berth thus created in the side ultimately helped let in Michael Clarke. As then there are certainly plenty of alternatives for Australia (one might also mention David Hussey), and the possibility isn't also considered above that far from New Zealand being soft opposition against whom Ponting could find some form, Ponting could easily fail against them too (the Kiwis have some decent bowlers). However, while Ponting is 36, which seems old, we should remember that the likes of Gooch, Tendulkar, etc, were still scoring big runs beyond that age

  • POSTED BY Navex on | November 19, 2011, 13:08 GMT

    Ponting is a world class player, He is one of the gem of cricket. Aussie's should appreciate his contribution to Ausssies as well as the world cricket. What an amazing treat to watch him bat. Ricky deserve's more than that for sure. Ricky should be given an opportunity to leave in his own terms. What a talent. Who in the world doesn't like to see his world class batting. Ricky should be respected for serving the australia for 16+ years.

  • POSTED BY Navex on | November 19, 2011, 12:58 GMT

    Ricky Ponting is a Gem of the cricket, Even if you ask best players in the world they all want to see ricky batting, Even if you ask south africans, indians, srilankans any one in the world they all want to see ponting playing. If styne knows this what they going to do to ponting even he wouldn't got him out, Every cricket lover in world want to see ricky playing, I hope some senior players from aussie step in the selection. I am sure he been playing long enough, he knows when to retire, I am praying he comes back, comes back strong. It will be sad day in the cricket world if they force him to retire.

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 12:55 GMT

    I don't agree with author . .Ponting should be given more chance . .He is an Icon .

  • POSTED BY Front-Foot-Lunge on | November 19, 2011, 12:40 GMT

    As the title of this article states, it's been a long time for Ponting to walk. A superior batsman in his time, it is time he went.

  • POSTED BY 5wombats on | November 19, 2011, 12:35 GMT

    Love the indian sense of humour!!! Guys nobody took England seriously after The Ashes whitewash of 2006/7. Now that india have been whitewashed by England in 2011 - you can guess the implications.....

  • POSTED BY Tigg on | November 19, 2011, 12:21 GMT

    Spot on.

    He should go now, averaging 25 is poor for an allrounder, which ponting is not. The rest of the side has plenty of experience, time to let go.

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 12:14 GMT

    Players like ponting should not be judged by their scores , it is like writing off any all time great. It is the ability to bounce back that differentiates players like ponting. Am sure he will get a century and save the test for australia

  • POSTED BY Leggie on | November 19, 2011, 12:13 GMT

    If I were to wear the cap of merely an "Indian cricket fan", would love to see Ponting dropped for the series against India. It would be such a relief for the Indian bowlers. Judging by his past record, I'm certain that he will flourish against the likes of NZ or India - especially in his backyard whether he is in "form" or not.. As a true cricket enthusiast though, it will be sad to see if one of the greats of world cricket is not given an opportunity to leave in his own terms.

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 12:09 GMT

    He should no 1 slpt at least in India series. Then we will decide

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 11:56 GMT

    Sad to see such an end of a great batsmen. No matter how much I disliked him, would NEVER forget his pull/hook shots!!

  • POSTED BY Scube on | November 19, 2011, 11:47 GMT

    I'm not sure why everyone is after 5Wombats! That's the confidence & arrogance that comes along when your team did well recently! Remember that he is THE fan of the best Rest of the World team when playing anywhere in the UK especially against teams that are down to 9 or 10 by the first or second day! But all that will change by mid-next year though!

  • POSTED BY hyclass on | November 19, 2011, 11:43 GMT

    My sympathy lies with the Australian players at this time.No-one should forget that the reputation of the wicket and conditions at Capetown when cloud closes in were well understood before the match commenced.There is an article on this site highlighting that point.To use that as an excuse for wholesale changes creates unnecessary and unproductive anxiety.This team was chosen by the departing Hilditch and bears his impress.The fielding,team direction & upheaval subsequent to the Argus review has left everyone struggling to concentrate and find their best.Watson highlighted it in public statements from his recently released book.The squad is replete with injuries,including Marsh,who has failed to play more than 5 1st class games in any of the last 3 seasons due to his back and was playing only his 3rd Test.Lyon has 10 wickets at 56 since his debut 5/34.The Katich/Clarke issues,interim coach,change of captain,spiteful tour match wicket and 1st Test conditions have all played their part.

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 11:37 GMT

    I dont agree with the author. Ponting is one of those rare talents that arrive once a generation and against the best of them all deliver. when sachin tendulakar was having a similar patch a few years back they were all harping on that India should drop him. It is evident that would have been a wrong decision. I still believe that Ponting has a lot to give to the game and a rough patch shouldn't define what a wonderful career has proven no shown to be some amazing batting against the best bowling attacks of the world...

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 11:36 GMT

    Ponting is too arrogant a person to retire as a player. It takes a man to step when he's on top and this sadly is not Ponting. They are gonna drop him and that's even worse. I hope he sees that and does the right thing.

  • POSTED BY hyclass on | November 19, 2011, 11:26 GMT

    Pontings failure is symptomatic of a mind that lacks clarity.That lack of clarity is mirrored by all those who have endured the Nielsen,Hilditch,Sutherland,Jack Clarke tyranny.There is no question in my mind that the actions of those men were methodical and carefully considered to diminish the standing of 1st class & Test cricket in Australia.They did this in order to promote their own interest in the business of Australian 20/20.It is possible to reason back from effect to cause.Hayden,while still a CA & QLD Board member announced that he had no interest in traditional cricket,other than the 2 big 20/20 money powerhouses,India & England.CA made no statement on their own position,despite Hayden being an employee.Its unthinkable to not refute such a damaging statement.Hayden also announced his intention to seek BBL ownership,an obvious conflict of interest.The BBL was pushed through a year ahead of time,before adequate debate,against the states wishes and before Argus could prevent it.

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 11:08 GMT

    I personally never liked ponting as a human!! he is really a bad one but i love his batting. I guess u guyz can see the recovery that Rahul Dravid has make. I still remember that Ponting and Dravid use to go neck by neck and their averages were more than 58.5 at some time(when they had already played about 100tests). Rahul dravid has had the roughest patch and see the endland series where only he scored some runs and it was written RAHUL DRAVID V/s England. Ponting can also that. Give him time till india series atleast!! and i m pretty sure that ponting will score runs against us(as always). so give him some time!!! i wud love to see him retiring when he will be playing the song with his bat!! :)

  • POSTED BY travelunlimited on | November 19, 2011, 11:07 GMT

    ponting can be consider as a great bestman along lara n sachin . He will surely comeback in 2nd innings . He should allow to play till 3rd test . Its Now or Never for Ponting

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 11:02 GMT

    I hope Ponting is given the oppurtunity to leave on his own terms.Even Sachin suffered similar slump around 2004 to 2007 but he came back.While Australia seeking redemption under new captain and his bad run has coincidentally collided, feel Ponting will be the best person to decide his future and he should be allowed to do that!

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 10:55 GMT

    I dont Agree!!pointing is one of the gem of cricket!!he shud be given more chances atleast till the new zealand series!!!

  • POSTED BY Mary_786 on | November 19, 2011, 10:33 GMT

    Time to drop Ponting and give someone like Khawaja a few more tests like Hughes has had to cement his spot or to prove himself, we have to look to the future and the next Ashes and ponting is not in those plans.

  • POSTED BY SamAlex2 on | November 19, 2011, 10:29 GMT

    Sachin came back from poor form. So can Ponting. He deserves more chances. It's not like there are great new batting talents ready to take his place anyway.

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 10:14 GMT

    @Si Baker then this makes Aussie batsmen the schoolteam "extras" coz they cant even play the popgun attacks. Just recently they were routed 2-0 by minnows and score of 21/9 makes them fit to compete the under 12 side of India. Whenever they tour they cant bat. Especially in the subcontinent. And without a doubt Australia can bed a few youngters coz i hope they will be better than the pontings and waughs and will be able to score atleast 48 withot the help of no10 and no11 to save them the humiliaton.

  • POSTED BY Saksham197 on | November 19, 2011, 10:09 GMT

    @5wombats..at it again! Your england team did wonders when they came to India right?

  • POSTED BY nktoofan on | November 19, 2011, 10:04 GMT

    What goes up must come down and there is a life outside cricket, so Ponting please hang your batting glows now. You know you can indulge in betting full time after cricket with great success and no one can stop you because you will no more be the part of cricket and can use your inside out knowledge on cricket to create a very rewarding career in betting on cricket....

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 9:46 GMT

    Ponting Should retire .He was one of the all time Greats No doubt about that but now the time has came he got to go.He might consider himself lucky that being consitenlty not playng well he dont shown the door directly by the selector just like Steve Waugh even he is playing well

  • POSTED BY spiritwithin on | November 19, 2011, 9:25 GMT

    @5wombats.."""On real cricket pitches, i.e, any pitch outside of india, this india bowling poses no threat whatsoever""",ur statement is very contradicting,on one hand u fans despise indian batsman when they score on indian pitches calling it flat but when their bowlers takes wickets on the same pitch its 'not a real pitch',u also seems to judge a team based on just one series,india was poor in eng but one series does'nt define a team no matter how badly they lose and the same team & the attack was consistent all over the world for the last 4yrs,the same attack won a tests 9months back in SA and levelled the series 1-1 against whom the aus is struggling at the moment.....coming to ponting,he's a great player and sud be allowed to bow out with his own terms,we can just hope that ponting also gets back his form like sachin & dravid,ponting at his best is a delight to watch..he's the best batsman alongwith lara and sachin in this generation,good luck to him

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 9:19 GMT

    Ponting is a great player when gets a start. but his shuffle across the line during early part of his innings always put him in trouble. earlier umpires rescued him ... but with DRS .. he cannot survive those initial moments..

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 9:14 GMT

    Dont agree with the article at all.. Ponting will definitely find his rythm and bounce back. If not anything, he should be given a chance till the Indian series. Watching India take on Australia without Ponting in their line-up would be really disheartening.

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 9:04 GMT

    oh come on y that much hype about this great batter of all time it is very bad to see such a great man struggling hope to see him retiring on a high node

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 8:58 GMT

    pls pls pls stop criticizing ponting ....without him der's no meaning in watching cricket.. i want to watch him play atleast against india in down under.... he's a fighter... he will come back nicely... common ponting not only u but ur fans are also desperate to c u scoring runs... u r still my no.1 cricketer and captain...

  • POSTED BY Simon74 on | November 19, 2011, 8:41 GMT

    I think Ponting needs to go, unfortunately. In no way does that tarnish what he has achieved or his status as one of the greats of the game. But Australia can't keep a batting slot open indefinitely just so that he can have a nice send off at some point in the future. They're a Test match side, not Party Planners. Aussie sides of the past wouldn't have blinked at dropping someone who wasn't pulling their weight, regardless of reputation.

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 8:17 GMT

    I agree with below... Ponting is one of the greatest players ever, he deserves at least one more chance in front of Australian crowds. Khawaja etc will have their time. Give Ponting the sendoff a player of his calibre deserves. Who knows, if he knows he's a goner after the NZL series, he might play with the freedom of old. I'm a Kiwi, and I'd like to see Punter one last time against our lads.

  • POSTED BY 5wombats on | November 19, 2011, 8:15 GMT

    @Si Baker - agreed and nicely put;" the popgun joke bowling attack of India". Sweet. On real cricket pitches, i.e, any pitch outside of india, this india bowling poses no threat whatsoever. The thing is - Ponting would fill his boots against this india "bowling" - thus keeping him in the team even longer. Then a problem develops as The Ashes get even closer. Still, it's a problem the wombats don't mind; if Ricky comes back to England in 2013, it'll be fun to watch.

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 8:02 GMT

    this author is crazy....has no idea wht he's saying....

  • POSTED BY VinodGupte on | November 19, 2011, 8:02 GMT

    someone as great as Ponting needs a farewell before the AUS crowd, not before sparse SA crowd. he must be included in the team for NZ's tour of AUS. In the last one year, i felt terribly sorry for Ponting - once when ENG won the ashes and then again when AUS lost to IND in the WC QF. a terrific player, one of the all-time greatest but now only a substandard photocopy of himself.

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 8:02 GMT

    Sad but true. Ponting's dream of a second wind sounds increasingly unrealistic. His shuffle towards the offside was always going to become a problem once his reflexes slowed, and the number of times he has been getting out leg before or caught mistiming the pull show clearly that his reactions are no longer as quick as they once were. Ponting was once a great batsman, but not anymore. Its time for him and Australian cricket to move on.

  • POSTED BY ravi_hari on | November 19, 2011, 7:58 GMT

    It is sad to see a champ in such a bad form. Greg Chappel announced his retirement and scored a big hundred in his last innings. Steve Waugh scored a match saving 80 in his last innings after announcing retirement. I think Ponting should have read the writing on the wall, announced retirement before the SA series and should have gone on to bat freely without any pressure. Even now it is not too late. He can announce retirement and bat Aussies to victory. That would end a superb career in the most fitting way. He should not give the selectors a chance to drop him. He is too good a player to be dropped, but if form is the criterion, he does not deserve a place in the XI. He has one last chance to redeem himself and tell the world I am leaving on top. He will not be playing in the next Ashes for sure so, this would be the best place to retire. His reflexes as a fielder are still better than most youngsters, but as a batsman he has slowed down a lot and SA fast bowlers are exploiting it.

  • POSTED BY brenno23 on | November 19, 2011, 7:54 GMT

    comeon punter, a big hundred in the second innings and everyone will once again be calling you a match winner! he should take inspiration from the likes of dravid, tendulkar, kallis and co. I am sure that he is capable of performing as well as ever, and, if he were to walk away from tests, he has shown in recent times that he is still valuable to the one-day side, surely he has another couple of years in him!

  • POSTED BY Mikecricket on | November 19, 2011, 7:43 GMT

    I think give Ponting a chance to play in the last test against South Africa and see how he goes. If Ponting fails maybe it is time to retire and give David Warner, Usman Khawaja, and all the other young players who want a chance to play at test level, having said all that if Ponting plays a cracker game and gets Man Of The Match he might be able to keep going to play against New Zealand over here in Australia and get his form back and keep playing but maybe he has to give it up before the Series against India, but i think lets give Pointing one more chance to prove that he still has that WONDERFUL form that he has shown in his test career.

  • POSTED BY Satv007 on | November 19, 2011, 7:40 GMT

    Dropping ponting will be a blessing in disguise for team indian when they tour australia this summer. For the first time India will be a stronger team than the aussies. If India manages to take clarke and hussey early then they will nail aussies in the test series. It will hard for any player as good as ponting to digest retirement but he should not be asked to step down rather must do so on his own. Personally, ACB can give ponting farewell after the series against India.

  • POSTED BY Samu on | November 19, 2011, 7:34 GMT

    In my opinion, Ponting is not going anywhere...I may not like him for his on field antics, but cant deny the fact the he has been among the greats we have had in last 10 years. I would hope he is dropped , but I am sure he will be a major threat for India in the upcoming Aussie summer!!!

    Watch out India....

  • POSTED BY Percy_Fender on | November 19, 2011, 7:31 GMT

    When Rahul Dravid was in a similar spot a few years ago they said the same about him Mr Coverdale. What happens is that in the midst of failure, and one keeps on only introspecting all the while,the input from someone else remains unavailable. Then someone wise comes along and things get back to what they were. In Rahul's case, Duncan Fletcher made that difference as Dravid himself acknowledges. Ricky Ponting needs that outside influence. I remember he used to shuffle across even before. Even to the very fastest bowlers when they bowled outside leg or on leg stump. But he never got out lbw as often as he has in recent times. Is it something that causes him to be slow now. Someone must give him the answer because he has another couple of years of good cricket in him. I am sure he will overcome whatever it is that is holding him back.He has to leave in a blaze of glory not in a whimper as you suggest. I do not see any Ponting in the young brigade in Australia yet.

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 7:26 GMT

    Dear Mr. Ponting,

    Please do not retire before India's tour to Australia. I want to see you play against our team in the Test series as well as the ODI series. You would most probably be easy pickings for our young pace bowlers and dismissing such a world class batsman so cheaply will boost up their confidence.

    Thanks

    A True Indian Fan

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 7:21 GMT

    Ponting is definitely a good player but i don't think he is great. Having team mates like Hayden, Langer to give good start and Martyn, Waugh to back up in case of a rare collapse, any decent first class player would have grabbed the opportunity and done better like Ponting. There is no pressure for Ponting while he got into team and got a long rope to stabilize, nurtured under Waugh...He is always surrounded with Match winners, Gilly, Warney, McGrath...Once the greats are out of team, Ponting faded out...he cannot bounce back like Sachin or Dravid because, he isn't mentally strong and if someone isn't mentally strong cannot be a great. Stop calling him great and drop him for the cause of Team Aussie.

  • POSTED BY lokesh.agarwal on | November 19, 2011, 7:19 GMT

    With Australia, currently trying to regain its former glory.. i think Ponting still has a role to play in Australian Cricket. I think its about finding form, and he still has all the potential to get some more valuable runs for australia. Everyone seems to forget his glory days.... and it doesnt take much to regain the kind of knick he was in. One good knock.. and he can be on his way to silence all his critics. Everybody wrote him off ODIs, before 2011 World Cup.. and he came up with a valuable, resilient century against India when it mattered most. So, I would still like to see Ponting dominating a bowling attack.. andf i feel he still has it in him. Go Punter!!

  • POSTED BY Jabulani on | November 19, 2011, 7:11 GMT

    I find it interesting that most of you who are supporting Ponting are Indian supporters, is it perhaps that you are biased by you affection for Sachin? Listen, it doesn't matter how great a player was, once they are not pulling their weight and are at retirement age they must go.

  • POSTED BY AKS286 on | November 19, 2011, 7:05 GMT

    HE IS A HERO, A LEGEND, WARRIOR,AND PLAYER. LAST 14 TEST TO DROP BUT WAT ABOUT 20 YRS. & HIS MILESTONE ?CURRENT Oz TEAM IS LIKE PREDICT & WIN CONTEST. NO STABILITY IS THERE. PONTING WILL STRIKE DEFINATELY.

  • POSTED BY Vikramaditya100 on | November 19, 2011, 7:04 GMT

    I ve never been a great fan of Ricky Ponting but its never nice to see a great player struggle. Every innings he fails makes the viewers cringe more and more making us wonder whether he is non cricketing twin of the once player he was. If he succeeds in the second innings that will give him some breathing space and then he can clearly think about his future.If not I think the selectors have to make a tough call.

  • POSTED BY Sankara on | November 19, 2011, 6:58 GMT

    Interesting the number of Indian fans supporting Ponting here. In contrast, Oz fans seem to be veering towards the view that his use-by-date is over

  • POSTED BY Gordo85 on | November 19, 2011, 6:55 GMT

    It looks like it is time for Ricky to go back to domestic cricket and play for Tasmania for awhile and try to force his way back in which wouldn't be easy at all. Otherwise if he doesn't want to go back to First Class cricket and he only wants to play Internationaly well then he should get dropped and sacked at the same time for not doing what Cricket Australia suggested for him to do either he goes back to try to find form or he doesn't and he gets dropped and then retires. Other players like Brad Haddin in my mind is finished at Test level and should never have another look in again only in ODI if he is playing well enough. And the other one is Michael Hussey he is finished in Test form and he may continue to prolong his carrer in ODI's. I knew this day would come for Australia you play too many so called older players at one point they will fail and you will have to accept it.

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 6:51 GMT

    One of the greatest cricketers ever! He, Kallis, Lara, Dravid & Tendulkar were treat to watch!!! sad to see such slump in form! I love his style & swagger! Hayden, Gili ma have been more dominating while mark waugh more stylish! but there is something about punter! it is upto him when he want to retire! I hope he retires with one classy innings! a fan from India!

  • POSTED BY sum333 on | November 19, 2011, 6:48 GMT

    i am seeing all indians are supporting ponting(emotional ppl)...but i thinks its time for ponting to go..no emotions..

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 6:46 GMT

    I'm an Indian & a great fan of Punter. Only Ponting need is some support from his surrounding to retain his form. Dravid, Laxman & sachin are doing good for India if they can why not Ponting. Do you think is he the one for the recent losses for Australia.

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 6:41 GMT

    baker..excuse me? minnows? ok just for the record..in their last 2 outings against the aussies-we lost 1 series (we all knw what happened in 2007/2008 and mind u we did give a tough fight) and won the other last year....2-0!! yes the recent eng tour was a debacle..bt lets accept it england is a much better and much more balanced team than both India and australia... calling India minnows wud be an understatement... coming to ponting- he shud nt be axed now...i think he brought it on himself by makin ridiculous statements before the series started..as sme1 pointed out here, retirement will be on his mind...ashes is still 18 months away..the right time wud be retire after the series against India...later!!

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 6:39 GMT

    Comparisons to Dravid are futile - Dravid's poor form was a couple of series, whereas Pontings form has been average for a few years now. It is nobodys right to a spot in a test team, it must be earned and continue to be earned. Ponting is no longer one of the best 8 batsmen in Australia and it is scandalously unfair to those not getting an opportunity just to cater to the ego of a once great player.

  • POSTED BY DaveFish on | November 19, 2011, 6:36 GMT

    Punter doesnt know how to "walk". He's a great player, history shows us all....all the best with the future.

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 6:30 GMT

    Huh, judging and deciding ponting's retirement. It's ridiculous. Comeon, he has been the best batsman for Australia for a decade, one of the top batsman of the world. Won Aus two worldcups, consistent test no.1, and innumerable multi-national, icc and bilateral series. Give the guy a break. He was a captain of a team with improper selections. He is just adjusting to the change in the team and his batting altogether, adding to it the extra pressure of perform or perish kind of attitude from the day he stepped down from the captaincy. He is just 36, he knows when his time is up. Nobody I mean nobody should push him. Considering the changes in the team, how about Johnson? How about Haddin ?. In the youngsters, Hughes is working with a flawed technique, Marsh has got recurrent injury issues, Khwaja seems solid but hasn't performed yet. Having the experience of ponting in the team is of great help to these upcoming guys. Get that!

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 6:25 GMT

    all those years i hated ponting cuz he was getting closer to srt...now i feel sorry for him...strange to see indian r supporting ponting more than aussies...

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 6:24 GMT

    Ricky Ponting & Sachin Tendulkar are two of the modern cricket's greats. But, in recent times, I notice a pattern in the case of both. Both are getting out to LBW quite often. Even when they are not getting out, the ball is hitting the pad, instead of the bat. Have they started finding it difficult to read line & length. They use horizontal shots less often, compared to many others. Even then they got out to LBW a few times in recent years --more often than in the past. Are they finding it difficult to read the bounce too? Hope,not. If the answer is YES for all the three metrics (line, length & bounce), they should seriously consider to elevate themselves to the next level -- just being guiding lights to dozens of youngsters who would like to emulate the good old Sachin & Ponting..

  • POSTED BY ats78 on | November 19, 2011, 6:20 GMT

    Well Brydon Ponting has not won a series in India as a Captain, FYI that was under Adam Gilchrist that they won the series.

  • POSTED BY Clyde on | November 19, 2011, 6:15 GMT

    It is ridiculous to compare a slugger like Warner with a batsman like Ponting. We waited for a long time for Ponting and we will wait a long time to see one as good. I am prepared to wait. I am a simple fan. I am sick of mediocre talent talked up as if it were good. Dreary, cross-bat wallopers like like the unfortunate Hughes are a turn-off for the simple cricket-lover. Were you listening to the radio when Lillee arrived? Stars are noticeable. Play the game. Put it, not insecurity and the chimera of the win, first. Stars will arrive, but - what is so sad about Australia - some are being thwarted by notions that it is not necessary to swing the ball or know how to put the bat on a swinging ball. Batting is what Booth and Redpath did. Staying in is basic.

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 6:14 GMT

    One cannot write off masters ...whether its Dravid or ponting!!Dravid did almost pathetic from 2007 to 2009, and he is one of the best player this year!!..Ponting cannot be dropped atleast not against INDIA!!!

  • POSTED BY shuvo_bba on | November 19, 2011, 6:07 GMT

    Well Ricky, nobody's gonna forget your championship but this is not these days & you just need to help your team by any means. If you can't make it out with the bat then support the transitional activities and give places for youngsters like Ferguson or Khawaja !

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 5:39 GMT

    To the tune of 'Livin' on a Prayer' by Bon Jovi:

    Ricky used to bat near the top/His form is shot, he's had a few ducks/It's tough, so tough/Ricky used to captain the side/Now he's hoping to just stay alive/It's harsh, so harsh/He says you've got to hold on to what you've got/It doesn't make a difference if you have a good knock/Just grit your teeth and pray you don't get dropped/For now...he'll give it a shot/Whooah, you're halfway there/Whooah-oah, battin' on a prayer/Take on Dale Steyn if you dare/Whooah-oah battin' on a prayer/Ricky lost the Ashes 1-3/He gave up his wicket at the MCG/For what? Not much/Ricky's batting on borrowed time/The way that he pokes outside the line's/A crime, a crime/He says you've got to hold on to what you've got/It doesn't make a difference if your reflexes are shot/12 000 runs must count for a lot/Give me....just one more shot/Whooah, you're halfway there/Whoah-oah, battin' on a prayer/Bye-bye Ricky, we'll miss your flair/Whooah-oah battin' on a prayer

  • POSTED BY Jaggadaaku on | November 19, 2011, 5:21 GMT

    ACB probably wouldn't give a chance to Khawaja in next test because his poor performance, but they wouldn't drop Punter. Punter's last 15 innings after the whitewash in India, he got out on '0' tree times, out with single figure including those 3 zeroes 9 times, and hit only one just half century (51*) when the test was already confirmed as draw. Apart from Hughes and Watson, every batsmen got failed even though AUS were 174/1. BUT only Khawaja wouldn't be the part of next test. @ Sarma Katrapati, Believe it or not, Punter is the greatest bad luck of Australians' future. You want AUS to forget about his FEW poor scores, but he got failed in his last 15 innings with 8 times under 10 runs. And 15 innings never consider as "Few". and by the way, he is the worst cricketer ever in history of cricket. If you guys read the last few years article about him, you wouldn't argue. I never seen any cricketer who breaks the TV because of frustration of poor performance. Only 5 years old can do it.

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 5:21 GMT

    has he ever come to the crease in a situation like dravid and laxman came through.never. he will always come to the creaase with plenty of runs in lead.but when ever dravid and laxman comes to crease there will be only deficit of runs only.burt they hardly fails the team.you should remember one thing ,both laxman and dravid are older than ponting and even now u give them a situation wat happend in 2001 aus-ind series at eden garden they wil again play like champion players.but in case of ponting,he will succumb to the pressure.thats wat happend in newlands in last series.u people may tell him as all time lucky player instead of all time great.

  • POSTED BY AjayB on | November 19, 2011, 5:20 GMT

    As an Indian, i am glad to see so many Indians supporting Ponting. I have criticised him in the past, for his short-comings as a captain, but I still think as a batsman and even as a cricketer he deserves utmost respect. It is not merely the question of his skills or achievement - it is a lot more than that. What has this man not done for Australia? For all that he has done so far, he deserves an extended run. His short-comings, so to speak, are coming to the fore only because no one else is covering up for him. The least he deserves is a right to fade into the sunset on his own terms. I concur with most others, get off his back. He has done more for his country than most of his contemporaries. I read somewhere that Waqar refused to bounce to Sir Viv, towards the fag end of Sir Viv's career. That is what respect is. This man has done no less. Let him be, he has enough courage in him to admit when his time has come.

  • POSTED BY yogi.s on | November 19, 2011, 5:19 GMT

    even after seeing the turnarounds made by tendulkar and dravid at a similar phase of their careers..i'm surprised the author has decided to write off ponting so emphatically . The author says even if ponting makes runs against NZ he might not do well against India but i for one am wary of an out of form ponting finding form against Ind like he did in the WC QF and plundering runs at their cost... so I would be relieved if he is indeed dropped :p .

  • POSTED BY MysticalSpirit on | November 19, 2011, 5:17 GMT

    Though Ponting looks past his best, I still feel that he can bounce back or at the very least can have one last great series to his name. I hope he plays till the india series. I'd love to see some of the world's best players like sachin, dravid and ponting playing on the field at a test level for one last time. We will never get a chance to see test cricket's top 3 run scorers playing in the same series/ same match. As a fan of test cricket, this will be a wonderful treat to enjoy such wonderful greats facing off for the final time in their career. Hope ponting gets the rich farewell that he deserves as we won't be seeing the likes of ponting or for that matter sachin, dravid, kallis for a long long time. They don't make them like these legends anymore.

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 5:15 GMT

    Is this the way you seek to reward a great player? If all the heads are thinking in this way there is no doubt as to the reason of the decline of australian cricket. Ricky still has a lot to offer including runs. Cricket is all abot experience and ricky has it just the form is lacking for now.

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 5:14 GMT

    dont tell he is all time great. he might have scored morethan 12000 runs.But the pretext in which he scored runs are very important.He scored as many as runs when the aussies team have players like hayden,waugh,gilchrist,symonds,lehmanlanger.they r all very gud players.so ther is no real pressure on ponting.so he scored easy runs.he never score many runs in india.jusr a century in his lifetime.and also capataining such a team containing players like mgcrath,warne,lee ,hayden ,gilchrist and winning morethan 100 matches is not a matter at all. even a ranji team capatain can win all the match with these kind of player and he can boast himself i am the best captain ,cricket has ever produced.now in the aussies team there is no star or iconic player.let him prove himself that he is a so called all time great.sachin ,dravid not only scoring runs in india only they have all scored tons of runs in australia also.but ponting scored runs against india only in australia never in india.

  • POSTED BY vamanan on | November 19, 2011, 5:01 GMT

    Oh Great Ponting, how merciless the human can be!. He has been playing for his country wholeheartedly. He was out of the action in his peak for almost 3 months to save a boundary in an ODI against PAK. The PAK innings was almost dying at the stage. No question on his commitment. Yes, this is a lean, tough patch that he goes through. But won't a great batsman be allowed to choose his retirement on his will. He supported his team for 100 test victories. Won't the team support him until he chooses his exit gracefully. And Warner in tests in place of Punter. This is the best joke I ever heard in this year. Punter will bounce back with a bang to prove his critics were wrong.

  • POSTED BY Gunnerseleven on | November 19, 2011, 4:59 GMT

    Being a hardcore ponting fan over all these years,I would say Brydon is too harsh on ponting. Definitely it's a matter of one innings where he can regain his touch and it's hard to judge his performance based on 3 to 4 innings.Same thing happened to SRT and Dravid also and they managed to find form.In NZ test series last year,dravid regained his touch and Ponting has to be in the squad for NZ series.The current Aus team is in the rebuilding phase and with Marsh getting injured frequently,Ponting has to definitely play for an year atleast.

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 4:55 GMT

    It's really heart to see Punter struggling like this. Now it look that time has came to say bye to Punter. Even though we r thinking like this but he will not be thinking the same. He will be encouraging himself & hoping for the next & probably the last opportunity to play the real cricket. So we hope that everything will be fine with Great Legendary Punter.

  • POSTED BY chandau on | November 19, 2011, 4:50 GMT

    The issue with Ponting may be the broken finger. I remember when Sanath Jayasuriya got hit on the finger in Australia and it took him many test and ODI matches to get the batting form back. Presently DIlshan is also showing a simillar poor vein of from after getting hit on the finger in England. As a batsman there is nothing more painful than getting hit on the finger and breaking it. Some may say getting hit down under is more painful but somehow people laugh it off, although at that moment it is nothing but funny when ur underbelly cramps up. Ponting shud have gone to state cricket and built his mental form but als he had no time in a busy calendar. In Sri lanka he never looked comfortable against medium pacies. No wonder he finds Steyn too much at 145kmph+. Maybe its time to give Warner a chance and push Watson to 5 and Hussey to 6. Like the writer says given the marginal contributions from Ponting, things can only improve with a new boy. Cheers Punter - time to go gracefully!

  • POSTED BY Behind_the_bowlers_arm on | November 19, 2011, 4:49 GMT

    Even when he was at his peak Ponting was a vulnerable starter as was pointed out and I did say to someone before the Ashes ( when he was a year into his decline already) that when the end came for him it would come quickly. It is sad to see any great player reduced to the ranks of mere mortals but the time comes when everyone knows the gift is gone. I'm sure Ponting knows it in his heart and all I would hope is that Inverarity calls him to one side and tells him they are intending to drop him and give him the option of retiring rather than the humiliation of being dropped. Time waits for no man and Australia can't afford the indulgence of farewell tours or the like. This current isn't going to be a winning one and it's time to start finding players who will be part of the next one. It takes time and probably some more defeats but it needs to happen. And it will be right even if none of the 6 home Tests upcoming are won.

  • POSTED BY REH223 on | November 19, 2011, 4:39 GMT

    @Brydon Coverdale:".....and would be no gauge to how he would perform in a tough home series against India."............ OH COME ON. WE ALL SAW HOW TOUGH INDIA WERE IN THE ENGLAND TOUR.

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 4:24 GMT

    The man was one of the most consistent players in the previous decade. He is going through rough patch. He will be back. Next two series are against NZ and India. Even though I dont want him to score heavily against Indians, i would like him to score a hundred. Warner for Punter? really? no match!!Sehwag might think Warner can do well at Test cricket but i dont think so!!!

  • POSTED BY sunny1307 on | November 19, 2011, 4:20 GMT

    Whol is Bryon Coverdale to decide what punter shall do.These critics are sore losers.Had the greats gone by the word of critics Sachin would have retired in 2006,Dravid in 2009 and Mike Hussey before 2010 Ashes,but look where these blokes are now after looking down the barrel for a while.Ponting has failed in only past 3 test series ashes,Sri Lanka and now South Africa.Selectors need to hold their head and persist for ponting atleast for another year,then in 6 months ashes 13 will come and he will retire as he said.These critics are loosers who only find faults in champions and don't have a life of their own........

  • POSTED BY amitksingh on | November 19, 2011, 4:19 GMT

    Ponting is the best batsman the world has ever pproduced. He is the most fearless cricketer. As an Indian I really like his batting. I can never forget his big century in world cup final against India. He is a great batsman. All he need is a short break and a good holiday. He will be back in form. Ponting, (Lara), Dravid, Tendulkar these players already know what is best for them and their team.

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 4:17 GMT

    The reason why they've got him, Clarke and Hussey in there is that at the moment they are the only ones who know how to win series, bat for longer than a day, etc. If you lose them Asutralia is going to be stuck for a few years with no experience in the team. Even if Ponting goes, half the team deserves to go with him.

  • POSTED BY gr8cricketfan on | November 19, 2011, 4:12 GMT

    Ricky Ponting era is over and he is no more a reliable aggressive batsman,he is just going through emotions of his career ending here.a best sportsmen always retires @ his peak and Ponting proving again to be greedy by not paving way for the younger generation,what r u trying to prove here MR Ponting by getting ducks after ducks(0) we all agree you are one of the best batsmen in the world but its all past.....Ponting shoul'd not loose his dignity after all he did for Australian cricket?he should not be pushed out of the australian dressing room.....if it happen's all ponting fan's are going to curse only Ponting for this.....so resign

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 3:59 GMT

    ponting should play till 2013 Ashes...becoze there is no replacement for him at that time

  • POSTED BY psyclops222 on | November 19, 2011, 3:59 GMT

    Let e start off by saying I am indian, hence an indian fan.. But a HUUUGE fan of Ponting.. as a batsman.. what a player!! i am lucky to have been able to watch this guy bat.. the century he made against us (indians) in the 2003 WC final has to be one of the best and the most significant knock ever in a world cup final..

    For his sake, i hope he breaks thru this lean patch .. i want to remember him as the batsman who used counter-attack when australia is 1/1 or 100/1.. he is pure class!

    ps: I wish us, cricket lovers and more importantly those of us who can understand and appreciate cricket from an unbiased point of view, i hope we get to see these amazing cricketers at their best for a very long time.. ie, Sachin, Ponting, Kallis, Dravid, VVS etc.. these guys are legends.. n every legend deserves and commands respect.

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 3:58 GMT

    Ricky Ponting is one of the greatest batsmen the game produced. When he was at his prime it seemed he ll go past sachin easily in every terms. Being an Indian my heart didn't want that to happen but at the same time he is very close to the heart as well. Now the inevitable is visible... Couldn't accept a genious leaving the game... I pray for a turn around :(

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 3:45 GMT

    @Si Baker...just about your comment.. "It's not every summer that Australia will be able to bed in their youngsters against minnows like New Zealand & India". There is no hiding of the fact that India was murdered in England. But considering India and NewZealand to be at the same level just shows the greatness of your cricketing knowledge...And BTW, I am not sure a team with a scoreline of 22/9 few days ago should have the right of considering even Congo or Zambia a MINNOW....let alone India.

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 3:30 GMT

    @Baker.. Even after suffering collapses after collapses, u guys seem to think tat u are the best batting side in the world.. We will see which attack is pop gun next month..

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 3:21 GMT

    Si Backer, Come on, india - minnows. please check the latest icc test rankings, what is aus ranking & what is india's before commenting.

  • POSTED BY xylo on | November 19, 2011, 3:12 GMT

    With the selectors having pulled the plug on a performer Simon Katich, and Katich having made a comeback as tough as he can by letting his temper loose, I guess the selectors do not have a choice, and are forced to stick with Ponting whether or not he strikes gold.

  • POSTED BY skkh on | November 19, 2011, 3:11 GMT

    Yes it is time for Ponting to bow out with grace. He has proved beyond doubt that he is in terminal slump. But honestly where are the replacements? Khawaja..?? he looked all at sea and does not appear to belong to this class. Shaun Marsh is a good replacement and I am sure Warner would fill in the boots easily. Hussey who has had such a good phase of late seems to be batting in a daze. So does Haddin. Testing times ahead for the greenbags.

  • POSTED BY Aussierise on | November 19, 2011, 3:01 GMT

    I would like to see the aussie selection panel show left field thinking....try something different.... a) give punter a final role of the dice against new zealand and india as an opener...aka j langer. Punters personality is very determined, gutsy, and he always likes to stand his ground and get after the bowlers. Batting him in the middle order gets him very figity and all he just wants is to get out there into them. Gives him time to think about his downfall too long. Let him crack at opening which allows watson into mid order. Would love to see this in 2013 ASHES - 1 Ponting, 2 Marsh, 3 Clarke (needs to man up as captain and bat at 3 as our best batsman, lead from the front in england 2013), 4 Khawaja, 5 watson, 6 paine (he is good enough at 6), butterworth/christian/m marsh at 7 (extra bowling + batting firepower), 8 cutting, 9 coulter-nile (swingking in England), 10 cummins or siddle (as workhorse), 11 lyon/o'keefe. ext squad 12 maxwell, 13 ferguson, 14 warner, 15 Harris/Copeland

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 2:57 GMT

    India a reaped benefits in retaining our greats in the team and carry them during there tough periods, and ponting should be given that chance and time. He is far more fitter than our Dravid, laxman and Sachin...

  • POSTED BY Chris_Howard on | November 19, 2011, 2:33 GMT

    Ponting's average has dropped from the new measure of greatness - 55 plus - to 52 in recent times. Those looking thru stats in the future will see Kallis (57), Tendulkar (56), Sangakkara (56) as quite a bit better than Ponting, which is not entirely true. Those of us who know better, will know he was just a guy who didn't know when to retire - like Hayden, Gilchrist and Hussey before him. The old guys are all hanging around too long nowadays. And that's one of the reasons there's a lack of young guys putting the pressure on. What 23 year old thinks they'lll ever get picked to replace an out of form Hayden, Hussey, Ponting or Gilchrist? Despite all losing form badly in their later years, all have been allowed to go out on there own choosing, thus locking out positions for younger guys. So then those younger guys start focusing where they can get opportunities - T20 and one dayers. And then we wonder why the young guys aren't knocking down the door to play Tests.

  • POSTED BY yuio3456 on | November 19, 2011, 2:13 GMT

    ponting should not be left in the dark. to drop a player who has served australia so well would be not right. out of everyone who has played for australia in the last 50 years ponting is the person who is most deserving of a good send off.

  • POSTED BY Hodra99 on | November 19, 2011, 1:55 GMT

    Very good article. Ponting has been a legend of the game, not just for Australia. It is actually quite sad to see a champion carrying on like this at the moment. Ricky must surely call time on his career now to give Warner an opportunity. It is also time for Haddin to be axed, and Wade to get his opportunity. Watson despite his 88 in the 1st innings should assume a Kallis type position in the team, his bowling is too precious to the team, and dropping down the order may help him manage his workload/pressure. My 1st test team vs New Zealand at Brisbane in bating order would be: Warner, Hughes, Marsh, Watson, Clarke, Hussey, Wade, Cutting, Siddle, Harris, Cummins, 12th Lyon

  • POSTED BY mangocube6 on | November 19, 2011, 1:41 GMT

    Time to go Ricky. The numbers say it all. The side is carrying you.

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 1:38 GMT

    Ponting's greatness is such that, he should be shown the door with due respect and on his own terms. Don't embarrass a legend. The worst one can do to Ponting is a relative comparison of Khwaja and Marsh with his skills. Show him the faith, give him his due and he will definitely stretch himself beyond what most consider he is capable of at this time. Give him a couple more series. He will turn things around - and Australia will be the greatest beneficiary.

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 1:36 GMT

    As good (great) as he was Pontings time has come and... gone.Compared to when he was averaging nearly 60 in tests its now not only the thing that's been falling steadily for the last 2/3 years because the way he's been literally and almost falling over at the crease in recent dismissals is a seriously worrying technical issue for a batsman of his class. All the past and current greats have and continue to say they'll keep playing while they are a) contributing and b) enjoying the game.Regrettably his ignominous duck in the current SA test and other low scores before it demonstrate that he isn't doing the former and from his body language while walking off at the Wanderers it looked as if he'd quite simply had had enough.Well if he doesn't know it now it may not long before Cricket Australia has had enough of him!!.He deserves to go on his own terms but he could be running out of time to do it with grace & dignity.

  • POSTED BY number-09 on | November 19, 2011, 1:31 GMT

    A comparison between and Dravid at 36 is unfair. Dravid is an accumulator, perfect in defence and pointing is an attacking batsman. Pointing has slowed down and his brilliant attacking and not to perfect technique is suffering with loss of reflexes. Dravid on the other hand will not be affected as much with a slight loss of reflexes. pointing is a Thoroughbred losing his speed with age and dravid is the steady mule maintaining that steady pace.

  • POSTED BY Eejalab on | November 19, 2011, 1:20 GMT

    Ponting definitely has some cricket left in him.... I still wont call him one of the best batsmen in last 20 years simply because all the best bowlers were playing for him.... But he must get back to Sheffield Shields and score few runs to get back the confidence.... Home summer against NZ & India (weaker bowling units) will be his real tests.... If he fails there., he should quit before he's thrown out of the doors...........

  • POSTED BY OhhhhMattyMatty on | November 19, 2011, 1:11 GMT

    England ended Ponting's career! We broke his spirit. Those 3 Ashes defeats will haunt him FOREVER! Enjoy your retirement Richard. You will see Straussy and Vaughany when you sleep! :-)

  • POSTED BY tfjones1978 on | November 19, 2011, 1:10 GMT

    "His last half-century came in the opening Test of the Ashes, nearly a year ago. He last scored a Test hundred 22 months ago." i think the stats tell the story. Selectors should base a players performance on international and domestic matches in the last 12 months with: Test Matches 0-6 mths=100% value (7-12=50% value) First Class 0-6 mths=50% value (7-12=25% value) ODI 0-6 mths=40% value (7-12=20% value) ODD 0-6 mths=20% value (7-12=10% value) T20I 0-6 mths=20% value (7-12=10% value) T20D 0-6 mths=10% value (7-12=5% value)

    If a domestic player is regularly value scoring 150%+ of an international player, then its time that the domestic player gets an opportunity.

    Ponting value (batting): (T0-6) 132 for 7 (T7-12) 113 for 8 (O0-6) 280 for 8 (O7-12) 324 for 9 (no T20s & domestic unknown).

    Using this formula: 393 runs for 16 innings value (value average of 25).

    Thus, domestic player scoring 600+ runs over 10 innings should replace him.

  • POSTED BY bonner on | November 19, 2011, 1:09 GMT

    Ponting has always been a team man and, while I support him exiting on his own terms, I would be disappointed to see him continue to fail while searching for some lost glory days - especially if this is keeping in-form young guns carrying the drinks. If Ponting is dropped for the Aussie summer then he is a party to this sad scenario as he's had ample opportunity to exit gracefully. An Ali-like ending to such a great career would be a tragedy.

  • POSTED BY landl47 on | November 19, 2011, 0:54 GMT

    I admit to being mystified by this 'give him the respect he deserves' stuff. This is professional sports. Ponting, and every other player, only deserves to be in the team if either he is helping the team to win now through his performance or he is part of the long-term plan and needs experience. Clearly Ponting isn't the latter and since Aus isn't winning and Ponting isn't contributing, he isn't the former either. The Ponting Count (innings since he last made a test 50) is up to 13 and a new stat is beginning- innings since he made a test run (currently 2). His technique seems totally gone- squaring up to straight full-pitched balls is a recipe for disaster and Ponting has been out that way in all 3 innings in this series. Ponting is 37 next month; either the selectors 'give him respect', continue to lose and delay Aus's rebuilding or they make a move. The respect I'd give him is to tell him quietly that now would be a good time to announce his retirement. If not......

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 0:50 GMT

    With the next Ashes series little more than 18 months away, now is absolutely the right time for the new Aussie selectors to show that they mean business; & showing that they mean business means indicating in the most robust way possible that they won't allow their hearts to overrule their heads. Should Ponting be allowed an utterly facile 'farewell tour' during the home series against a promising but still weak New Zealand & the popgun joke bowling attack of India? Absolutely not, as it'll mean that whoever replaces him will be a vital six Tests short of the experience he'll need against seriously good bowling sides like England, South Africa & Pakistan. The same goes for Haddin, Johnson & Lyon as well; & perhaps even Hussey & Harris. It's not every summer that Australia will be able to bed in their youngsters against minnows like New Zealand & India. Here's hoping they don't waste a golden opportunity simply for the sake of misplaced sentimentality.

  • POSTED BY on | November 19, 2011, 0:39 GMT

    It is really sad about those poor people to make comment about such a gr8 player...even Dravid was not in a good form..Didnt he perform?? Give Ricky a break..he will surely perform in home..i think its wise decision to rest him against NZ and give him chance to play in Border Gavaskar trophy..If his performance is not good in that series too,then he can think about retiring..everybody wants to retire in their home..I think Ponting himself might have a plan to retire at the end of series against IND as Steve Waugh retired in 2003-04 Border Gavaskar Trophy..He deserves the right to take his decision to retire..Such a player should not be axed

  • POSTED BY Mooky on | November 19, 2011, 0:30 GMT

    Ricky needs to be given at least one more year in the Aussie team. We need him there for the next Ashes series and should be re-instated as captain. Love it

  • POSTED BY indianpunter on | November 18, 2011, 23:48 GMT

    @wexfordwonder.. bravo! i salute your fairness. I am huge fan of Ponting and support him ( except against India). I have always felt that he will bounce back with a bang. But, sadly, for the first time.. yesterday.. he looked a man out of sorts, like a man who dint belong.. i know he was there only for 3 balls.. but i have watched him for 15 yrs and his body language was all negative.. Vamos, Punter...go on your terms.. score big in the 2nd inns and take a bow, when they still want you. Please please.. do not wait to be pushed. It is not the way for a genuine great of the game to go.

  • POSTED BY wambling_future on | November 18, 2011, 23:39 GMT

    Ponting is running out of time. His time is over and one could see it coming soon after all the Australian greats retired from the game. He was having a amazing of form when all the aussie superstars around him were also contributing with runs. Hence there was no pressure on him and he could play naturally. He knew he could afford to attack and even if he fails others were still there to score. But since those retirement not his captaincy took a dip which eventually he lost, but also his batting has suffered now that all the pressure is back on him. Openers are not consistent, middle order is fragile and hence Ponting is feeling the heat and he has been exposed. Time is running out for him to show that he can still contribute with the bat even after the retirement of his buddies. He has 100 victories right.. how many wins and losses he has post 2007 WC ??? Not many...retire gracefully before you are forced to quit...

  • POSTED BY on | November 18, 2011, 23:35 GMT

    Get of Ponting's back. Just in comparison - Dravid from India had a terrible series in SA last year same time. Since then he has scored 5 centuries and just short of 1000 runs for the calendar year. Dravid did well in WI - which help confidence to be single performer for India in Eng with 3 centuries

    Similarly Ponting possibly some really good time in the middle and NZ & India both represent less intensive bowling than SA - which could be the right recipe for him to come back to form. In case he does not 'recover' after both test series - review/ retire option has more currency - not till then.

  • POSTED BY rameshbabu74 on | November 18, 2011, 23:31 GMT

    People, give that a guy a break. He will find his form and good enough to play for another couple of years.

  • POSTED BY Benster2 on | November 18, 2011, 23:11 GMT

    It's David Warner's time now he's in peach form. Do not wait - it's the perfect time for Warner to start. Punter will never get back to even close to where he was. Punter - thanks for the memories and being an unbelievable batsman for the last decade or so. But now it's time to go.

  • POSTED BY ddrath on | November 18, 2011, 23:10 GMT

    Well he wont be in long term plans!he is 36!! that is obvious isnt it?!!! but they cannot drop him because of last 14 test!! what about Haddin?? Hughes??? well i hope this cheif selector is better that MR. GREG CHAPPELL!!!!

  • POSTED BY on | November 18, 2011, 23:09 GMT

    In my opinion,Ponting should be allowed to play as long as he wants as he is such a great player and is very valuable to the team,forget about few poor scores

  • POSTED BY playitstraight on | November 18, 2011, 23:07 GMT

    It is time for Ponting to start thinking about retiring from Tests, to compare his stats with a guy like Gambhir shows that he has not been performing of late. But I will give credit for his ODI form, because he has been scoring runs in that format. If Ponting is ignorant and keeps his place merely because he is an Aussie great and is the country's leading run scorer in both formats, then it will not only cost him his place and reputation, but the team overall. Michael Clarke, as a selector, really needs to think about Ponting's place. With the India vs Australia series coming up, if Ponting does not start scoring, then Australia will be in trouble at their home ground.

  • POSTED BY magpie22 on | November 18, 2011, 22:37 GMT

    Ponting is a legend, but it is time for him to let go for the benefit of the team. This is still not Clarke's team because he is still there. Let the new skipper mould his team and not feel obligated to back his old boss. BTW, I don't think the Kiwis will be pushovers this Aussie summer.

  • POSTED BY NRI- on | November 18, 2011, 22:34 GMT

    Before the Ashes, Mike Hussey was completely written off by all & sundry. Then at least for the first 3 tests, he was by far the best batsman and streets ahead of Clarke & Ponting in that series. Until Sri Lanka, he continued to do well. He is older than Ponting. Just remember that.

  • POSTED BY heathrf1974 on | November 18, 2011, 22:33 GMT

    Ponting most likely should retire after this test. His reflexes are too slow making him get out to too many lbws. I'm just concerned who could replace him? Usman Khawaja didn't look convincing and our batting depth isn't looking too flash.

  • POSTED BY NRI- on | November 18, 2011, 22:26 GMT

    Collingwood didnt go on a high, Swombats, he was the one embarassment ina strong English side that beat Australia and he was preventing Ian Bell from batting higher in the order. What have the Indians got to do with it? Dravid was written off, having had two years worse than Ponting before he scored a face saving century against Australia in the last test in 2009. Then he was still indifferent through 2010 but rose to GREAT heights in 2011. Ponting's ODI form is good, his showing against SL (in ODIs) very good and he also scored a fine century in the World Cup against a major side. But Hobart against NZ would be a great farewell, his home ground.

  • POSTED BY on | November 18, 2011, 22:26 GMT

    I'll never forget players like McGrath, Warne, Langer, Gilchrist and Hayden all being able to end their careers in Australia in front of Australian supporters, just as I'll never forget Healy not being allowed one final Test in front of a home crowd at the Gabba and end his career in Zimbabwe and Mark Waugh ending his in the UAE. There is always the future to look towards but not at the expense of treating the greats well.

    Hopefully Ponting gets to finish with a 'home' Test in Hobart against the Kiwis.

  • POSTED BY bobagorof on | November 18, 2011, 22:17 GMT

    The time for Ponting to retire was after his injury during the Ashes. It would not have been a career high to go out on, but not everyone gets a fairytale and the writing was on the wall even then. He would have allowed a clean slate for the new captain to build his own team, and allow younger players into the side. Every innings Ponting plays is taking the sheen off his illustrious career. He has always come across to me as being stubborn, and while that has been useful while batting it is not serving him well now. Best to give up his spot and allow Khawaja a few Tests in a row to cement his spot for the future.

  • POSTED BY Maui3 on | November 18, 2011, 22:16 GMT

    @Snowbats: "what on earth have any of those india players got to do with it? Ponting is pretty much done"

    Thats where we disagree. How many said the same about Dravid and tendulkar that they were done?

  • POSTED BY Ontu on | November 18, 2011, 22:15 GMT

    @5wombats: You have a point. But with all due respect to Mr. Paul Collingwood, he is not in the same class as Mr. Ricky Ponting. Ponting is one of the best batsmen to have EVER played this game. I can not comment on whether he should be dropped or not, let the selectors and Ponting decide (or think about) that.

  • POSTED BY yezdi70 on | November 18, 2011, 22:13 GMT

    " He is the only man to have played in 100 Test victories. He has captained more Test-winning teams than anyone else in history. He has played in series wins in every country" - These are all essentially team achievements...surely cant give Ponting all the credit !

  • POSTED BY on | November 18, 2011, 22:05 GMT

    i feel really sad about this. Ricky Ponting was my favourite player when in 1995 this little skinny kid. He really has been our 2nd best batsman since bradman. most of his career he has averaged above 55. infact a few years ago he was pushing 60 and now because of the last 2 years his average is 52. i believe he was a better batsman then 52. i only wished he could make some runs. I hope we all give him the respect he deserves. Great Career Ricky, thanks for the memories and all the success we had as a nation. Thanks Mate.

  • POSTED BY on | November 18, 2011, 21:41 GMT

    Class is permanent. Ponting is just going through a lean patch due to a busy schedule. Don't forget he made a WC QF century in tough conditions just few months back ....

  • POSTED BY InnocentGuy on | November 18, 2011, 21:10 GMT

    @sifter132, For Ponting, scoring runs against current NZ team is not as much a challenge as scoring against current SA or current Eng. For a man of his stature, scoring runs against NZ cannot be used to prove he is still a good player. For Warner though, scoring against any team in a Test match, is a good thing because he is inexperienced. Maybe it isn't as much a challenge for him as well, but it would boost the morale of a youngster and he could be a good option in the long run. In any case, I personally feel Ponting deserves to be played at least till the end of the Ind-Aus series.

  • POSTED BY MinusZero on | November 18, 2011, 21:10 GMT

    It would be advisable for Ricky to jump before being pushed.

  • POSTED BY BMayuresh on | November 18, 2011, 21:09 GMT

    Mr. Coverdale, you seem to be too harsh on Punter. Being an Indian fan, I do know how things can change, just take a look at SRT, he turned the tides and so can Ricky. Give the man some time and see how he will amuse us all.

  • POSTED BY on | November 18, 2011, 21:08 GMT

    Time waits for no batsman in international cricket. All great players know instinctively when its time to go...Lara (& Richards before him) did; in the twilight of their test careers both Tendulkar & Dravid WILL know, and even though he's younger and has played fewer matches Kallis I suspect won't be that far behind them. Even Collingwood..... only a moderately good player by comparison.....got the timing, occasion, and venue absolutely right. Ponting should admit the inevitable...he's not the player he was so he should retire while the decision is still his to make otherwise he is going to embarrass himself and Australian cricket in much the same way Warne did when he carried on perhaps longer than he should have done. Muralis powers were also just starting to decline when he went but he'll still be remembered as an all time great as Ponting will be if he goes now.

  • POSTED BY here2rock on | November 18, 2011, 21:03 GMT

    India a tough opponent? You gotta be kidding me, their batting might look very strong on paper but they generally struggle on bouncy/true tracks like we found out in England. Their bowling is so poor that everybody should be queuing up to face them and improve their averages. It will be a perfect time for Pointing to recover his old touch. He is one of the greatest number 3 batsman in the history of the game so let's give him some respect. We need to trust his judgement that he is still good enough to play at this level. He is not a SELFISH player.

  • POSTED BY Number_5 on | November 18, 2011, 21:02 GMT

    Pontings fate is out of his hands now, selectors will surely drop him for NZ series.Has been a great player but its time to move on and plan ahead for the ashes..

  • POSTED BY on | November 18, 2011, 20:36 GMT

    Any argument for keeping Ponting now is highly flawed. The inexperienced youngsters are pretty consistently outscoring him now. His form slump has reached a point where introducing debutants into the middle order can't weaken the side at all, because he's apparently unable to stay in for more than a handful of overs against any world class attack and lucky to reach double figures - if you think Warner, Bailley, Cowan, MacDonald, Ferguson, Maddison, Wade or any of the fine young players we have out there will do worse it will take a hell of an effort on their part. But, unlike Ponting, every game they get will strengthen the team's prospects and give them very valuable experience. This is still a hangover of the selectors getting it very wrong which has hung over the team too long. Ponting's dropping is the bitter pill we have to swallow to have a chance in the next Ashes.

  • POSTED BY BlueyCollar on | November 18, 2011, 20:33 GMT

    i've got a question for the stats junkies. Have a higher percentage of the total runs scored in test matches been from boundaries in the last decade than the decade before that.It seems modern batsman have forgotten how to build an innings. What happened to the "picket fence" in the score book at the start of an innings or playing in the "V" until your seeing the ball well enough to play cross bat shots or wearing the bowlers down or leaving anything that is not going to hit the stumps for your first 20 balls. Aussies could stiffen up their batting line up by bringing in Wade for Haddin. Wade seems to be adequate with the gloves and is very consistent with the bat. Haddin just doesn't value his wicket like Wade does.On Ponting - I think his place in the side should be dependent on whether he is likely to have a significant impact on the results this summerand I think undoubtably yes he will. So keep him in for the home series and reassess after that.

  • POSTED BY on | November 18, 2011, 20:25 GMT

    Ponting is really under an extreme high pressure. But once he regains his form then he will certainly come up with a bang and blast. If he does not score in the 2nd innings of this test match, then he should accept his fate and hang up his boots. It would not good stuff to show the exit door to a legend, especially for a iconic player like Ponting....

  • POSTED BY Sudeeksh on | November 18, 2011, 20:22 GMT

    Strange how ppl feel about Ricky Ponting. This is the same man who once threatened to overtake even Sachin Tendulkar with his rich vein of from about 5 years ago. I think a great player like him deserves another chance. Let him play the Series with India. After that if he feels like retiring then nobody is stopping him from doing so.

  • POSTED BY on | November 18, 2011, 20:20 GMT

    He is Great, and a he should retire after the complete series against INDIA. He needs to score 2 centuries atleast in the series to end up on HIGH !!!!

    Where as in limited overs, he may continue till the time, he is getting 40s and 50s !

  • POSTED BY nnvv on | November 18, 2011, 20:20 GMT

    @Maui3, Could you tell the readers a time when SRT/Dravid failed to score a HALF century for almost a year? Even in the recently concluded ind-eng test series in which SRT failed to contribute significantly, he scored 2 50s with 91 as highest score...

  • POSTED BY sifter132 on | November 18, 2011, 20:19 GMT

    I'm not sure how Ponting scoring big against NZ "would prove little", yet David Warner could play against NZ as "an opportunity to prove himself". Either NZ is competent or it isn't and surely both players need runs at international level, Ponting to get his confidence back and Warner to show that he can play Tests competently...Anyway, I believe Ponting should be told he is going to be dropped this summer, I believe the selectors should tell him they are willing to let him play out the summer as a kind of farewell tour because Ponting deserves it (think Steve Waugh 2003/04), and then Ponting can decide whether he wants to retire now or retire after the summer, based on his hunger I guess and how he'd like to be remembered.

  • POSTED BY ironmonkey on | November 18, 2011, 20:16 GMT

    After Tendulkar and Dravid both finding form after being written off, I find it amusing that Ponting is being given the same treatment by the media. Ponting is having a bad run of form. All batsmen go through a phase where they do not perform for long stretches of time, but, as they say, "Form is temporary. Class is permanent".

  • POSTED BY nnvv on | November 18, 2011, 20:16 GMT

    Wasn't it the best time for ponting to say goodbye to odis after WC QF? He missed that chance. He will never get a bigger ODI stage to say goodbye to the shorter format, what a pity... He must decide now, exactly when he wants to leave the game. Aus has had great cricketing competition against Eng, SA and Ind. And if I am not wrong, after the Ind series there won't be any games involving these teams till ahses. My suggestion: Take rest while oz play nz, and play against India as the final showdown.

  • POSTED BY mansman on | November 18, 2011, 20:12 GMT

    Time for Mr Chappell to dust his magic mirror and hand it to Mr. Ricardo Thomas Ponting.

  • POSTED BY TruthPrevails on | November 18, 2011, 20:08 GMT

    Ponting is an all time great and most successful modern captain so this phase is hard to accept for his fans. Critics might say he wasn't effective against quality spin bowling but his record speaks for itself. Like a true champion, he should time his exit sweetly.

  • POSTED BY 5wombats on | November 18, 2011, 20:00 GMT

    @Maui3 - what on earth have any of those india players got to do with it? Ponting is pretty much done. But if they are waiting from him to go of his own accord they could be in for a long wait. The self belief that made him a great cricketer for Australia for all those years is now blinding him to the reality. It is time for him to step down and let a new young batsman have a go. Paul Collingwood saw the writing on the wall and went at the pinnacle in grace and good spirits - and example Ponting could do well to follow.

  • POSTED BY sk29 on | November 18, 2011, 19:55 GMT

    Whole team is struggling not just ponting, it wud be more disastrous to ask him to leave now.Can khwaja and Co achieve half of what ponting did ? It would be too much to expect runs from him against such a quality attack specially when he is down in form. Let him play against Newzealand & India, he is all time great don`t compare him with bret lee.

    If team starts winning he will do good, he is a team guy.

  • POSTED BY aashish337m on | November 18, 2011, 19:54 GMT

    Although there is no doubt over his greatness but he should retire now to save himself from the shame & defeat Aussies will face in coming months again India.

  • POSTED BY spence1324 on | November 18, 2011, 19:53 GMT

    Ha Ha I dont think you should use ponting and walking in the same sentence!

  • POSTED BY aashish337m on | November 18, 2011, 19:53 GMT

    Although there no doubt over his greatness but he should retire now to save himself from the shame & defeat Aussies will face in coming months again India.

  • POSTED BY BigDataIsAHoax on | November 18, 2011, 19:47 GMT

    Feel sorry for Ponting.Hope he scores a big 100 in the 2nd innings and hangs his boots up. Btw, if Pietersen/Trott were to be dropped 'cos of bad form they can still go and play for south africa. But, for TRUE greats like Ricky there is no such cushion. Once you are gone, you are gone. So, go and get that 100 mate!!

  • POSTED BY donda on | November 18, 2011, 19:43 GMT

    Let Ponting play his last summer in australia and like steve he can retire against india. Ponting is a legend and i know aussies do respect their legends a lot and they will not screw Ponting by firing him. He is the second best batsman ever played for australia and best batsman in ODI for australia. One should give respect and honor to great man and he should also understand that its time to end it. India last series.

  • POSTED BY Fareen on | November 18, 2011, 19:39 GMT

    I really hope Ponting will prove you guys wrong. You guys said the same thing about M. Hussey before the Ashes but he's still scoring runs for his country. I'm sure Ponting will do the same. And Mr. Bryan Coverdale, I really want you to write another story apologizing to Ponting after he returns to form. It's funny how cricinfo let you guys humiliate a living legend.

  • POSTED BY zico123 on | November 18, 2011, 19:35 GMT

    with every game he drags himself on, he is ruining his own image, reputation as the legand of the game. i hope he doesn't want to be remembered as a selfish player who had to be dragged out by selectors

  • POSTED BY zico123 on | November 18, 2011, 19:30 GMT

    opponent teams love to see Ponting and Johnson playing, as they know they have 1 less batsman to content with and 1 less bowler to worry about, i.e. Australia is 1 batsman and 1 bowler short effectively

  • POSTED BY zico123 on | November 18, 2011, 19:29 GMT

    Ponting is a burden on the side for last 2 years, he is lucky he was not dropped, he is testing patience of selectors, he has to walk off now, or else selectors should take the hard call.

  • POSTED BY zico123 on | November 18, 2011, 19:24 GMT

    this is the best article i read in a while, Ponting has nothing left in him, he must move on, he can not use NZ series to find form, Australia will win NZ series easily, so it is the best time to experiment with some young players

  • POSTED BY on | November 18, 2011, 19:21 GMT

    ideally he should retire at the end of the series before he is dropped

  • POSTED BY on | November 18, 2011, 19:18 GMT

    Rubbish! I'm an English man and Ponting has always been a player that we have loved to hate, largely due to the fact that he was such an immoveable force when he had bat in hand. I can understand the calls to drop him but I do not agree, that would not show him the respect that he deserves, that decision should only rest with him. There is nobody in state cricket banging on the Test cricket door loud enough for it to be an issue. I hope he is given the Australian summer to recapture some form of old, yes NZ are a weak Test team, but so what. I predict Ponting will have a good summer with the bat and I wouldn't be surprised if he then calls it a day, I'm sure going out on a high will be important to him. This is the very least one of the greatest batsman the game has ever seen deserves.

  • POSTED BY Wexfordwonder on | November 18, 2011, 19:10 GMT

    Even as a South African supporter, I do not wish this end on Ponting. Hard, uncompromising, brilliant and fair. Come on Ricky, give us a show.

  • POSTED BY on | November 18, 2011, 19:06 GMT

    I don't agree to any call for Ponting's retirement. It's just a lean patch he is into, where all great players enters sometimes in their career. But I am certain he has at least 3 more years of good cricket still in him. Also I think everyone who has watched him play will agree that problems he is facing currently are not of technique or age but just of mindset- at core he is still the great batsman that he ever has been.

  • POSTED BY shankyyy on | November 18, 2011, 19:02 GMT

    Ponting is very much an overrated player.. he was playing in the best team.. tats y he got runs.. his bowlers restricted opposition.. so wen he came out, he didnt have any pressure.. he scored runs heavily against mediocre bowlers.. wen he was in his peak he didnt hve to face steyn, simon jones, matured james anderson..

    he cant play backfoot shots.. he always commit into shots very early.. so wen the ball swings, he is exposed.. a quality player shud b very balanced, shud play both front foot as well as back foot shots at ease.. shudnt fall over the all.. shudnt play accross the line when the ball swings.. but he has all these bad habits.. LUCKIEST CRICKETER EVER TO BE SURVIVED THIS LONG..

  • POSTED BY on | November 18, 2011, 19:00 GMT

    Ponting should retire after India series... that would be the best... else he is gonna be screwed badly again in ashes...

  • POSTED BY Peterincanada on | November 18, 2011, 18:59 GMT

    It is indeed time for him to go. And he should take Haddin with him. A great start was thrown away by a middle order that has been fragile for far too long. Glad to see Hughes cement his place against NZ. It is time to give Usman and Warner an extended run. We could really have used Marsh's grit. His fitness record is a concern. Nevertheless an exciting finish looms.

  • POSTED BY Maui3 on | November 18, 2011, 18:42 GMT

    The trade-off for the selectors is if he can re discover his touch, like Tendulkar and Dravid (and Laxman) did, it's worth keeping -im in the side and tolerate the failures. Both Tendulkar and Dravid had poor 2-3 years, but the rest of the batsman (Sehwag, Gambhir) covered for them during their down years. The onus should be on Clarke, Hussey, Watson, Hughes and company to make up for ponting poor form, when he needs help. He's kept Australia floating single-handedly for about 2 years after Gilchrist and company retired.

  • POSTED BY on | November 18, 2011, 18:40 GMT

    As much as I hate to say this, Ponting usually plays well against India in tests and it would be great if Inverarity and co allow him this swansong. This might well allow him to go on his terms.

  • POSTED BY Marcio on | November 18, 2011, 18:34 GMT

    I picked Ponting to get a big score in the 1st innings, and he got a duck! I'm rarely wrong, just quietly. Let's call it a gut feeling, but he'll get a big one in the second innings. Not saying he should stay on, though. Probably time to go out on a high.

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  • POSTED BY Marcio on | November 18, 2011, 18:34 GMT

    I picked Ponting to get a big score in the 1st innings, and he got a duck! I'm rarely wrong, just quietly. Let's call it a gut feeling, but he'll get a big one in the second innings. Not saying he should stay on, though. Probably time to go out on a high.

  • POSTED BY on | November 18, 2011, 18:40 GMT

    As much as I hate to say this, Ponting usually plays well against India in tests and it would be great if Inverarity and co allow him this swansong. This might well allow him to go on his terms.

  • POSTED BY Maui3 on | November 18, 2011, 18:42 GMT

    The trade-off for the selectors is if he can re discover his touch, like Tendulkar and Dravid (and Laxman) did, it's worth keeping -im in the side and tolerate the failures. Both Tendulkar and Dravid had poor 2-3 years, but the rest of the batsman (Sehwag, Gambhir) covered for them during their down years. The onus should be on Clarke, Hussey, Watson, Hughes and company to make up for ponting poor form, when he needs help. He's kept Australia floating single-handedly for about 2 years after Gilchrist and company retired.

  • POSTED BY Peterincanada on | November 18, 2011, 18:59 GMT

    It is indeed time for him to go. And he should take Haddin with him. A great start was thrown away by a middle order that has been fragile for far too long. Glad to see Hughes cement his place against NZ. It is time to give Usman and Warner an extended run. We could really have used Marsh's grit. His fitness record is a concern. Nevertheless an exciting finish looms.

  • POSTED BY on | November 18, 2011, 19:00 GMT

    Ponting should retire after India series... that would be the best... else he is gonna be screwed badly again in ashes...

  • POSTED BY shankyyy on | November 18, 2011, 19:02 GMT

    Ponting is very much an overrated player.. he was playing in the best team.. tats y he got runs.. his bowlers restricted opposition.. so wen he came out, he didnt have any pressure.. he scored runs heavily against mediocre bowlers.. wen he was in his peak he didnt hve to face steyn, simon jones, matured james anderson..

    he cant play backfoot shots.. he always commit into shots very early.. so wen the ball swings, he is exposed.. a quality player shud b very balanced, shud play both front foot as well as back foot shots at ease.. shudnt fall over the all.. shudnt play accross the line when the ball swings.. but he has all these bad habits.. LUCKIEST CRICKETER EVER TO BE SURVIVED THIS LONG..

  • POSTED BY on | November 18, 2011, 19:06 GMT

    I don't agree to any call for Ponting's retirement. It's just a lean patch he is into, where all great players enters sometimes in their career. But I am certain he has at least 3 more years of good cricket still in him. Also I think everyone who has watched him play will agree that problems he is facing currently are not of technique or age but just of mindset- at core he is still the great batsman that he ever has been.

  • POSTED BY Wexfordwonder on | November 18, 2011, 19:10 GMT

    Even as a South African supporter, I do not wish this end on Ponting. Hard, uncompromising, brilliant and fair. Come on Ricky, give us a show.

  • POSTED BY on | November 18, 2011, 19:18 GMT

    Rubbish! I'm an English man and Ponting has always been a player that we have loved to hate, largely due to the fact that he was such an immoveable force when he had bat in hand. I can understand the calls to drop him but I do not agree, that would not show him the respect that he deserves, that decision should only rest with him. There is nobody in state cricket banging on the Test cricket door loud enough for it to be an issue. I hope he is given the Australian summer to recapture some form of old, yes NZ are a weak Test team, but so what. I predict Ponting will have a good summer with the bat and I wouldn't be surprised if he then calls it a day, I'm sure going out on a high will be important to him. This is the very least one of the greatest batsman the game has ever seen deserves.

  • POSTED BY on | November 18, 2011, 19:21 GMT

    ideally he should retire at the end of the series before he is dropped