The Investec Ashes 2013 July 22, 2013

Pattinson ruled out of Ashes series

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James Pattinson has been ruled out of the remainder of the Investec Ashes series in England after being diagnosed with a stress fracture of the lower back.

Pattinson reported "hip and back soreness" after the final day of the second Test at Lord's and subsequent scans, which he underwent in London on Monday, showed the early signs of a stress fracture.

He will travel with the squad to Sussex and then on to Manchester before returning home to Australia. His place was likely to have come under scrutiny ahead of the Old Trafford Test after two disappointing performances at Trent Bridge and Lord's, where he has taken seven wickets at 43.85.

This is the latest injury setback in Pattinson's career following a rib injury he picked up against South Africa last year and a foot problem he sustained against India the during the 2011-12 season.

Cricket Australia team doctor Peter Brukner said: "We had some scans done today in London that have identified an early stage low back stress fracture. Unfortunately he will not take any further part in this Test series and will commence a rehabilitation program with the aim to have him back for the Australian summer."

Pat Howard, the Cricket Australia team performance manager, added: "While we are obviously disappointed for James, the selectors have five bowlers fit and ready to perform in England, providing them with many options.

"It is also important to note that several players have been performing for Australia A and are available to be called up at any stage if the NSP required them. We've been well planned to have as many bowlers fit and available in the lead-up to this important series and while this set-back for James is disappointing, we are confident we have good fast bowling depth."

The other pace options currently in England, who weren't selected at Lord's, are Mitchell Starc, Jackson Bird and James Faulkner. The fast bowlers currently on duty for Australia A in Zimbabwe and South Africa are Pat Cummins, Josh Hazlewood, Chadd Sayers, Nathan Coulter-Nile and Gurinder Sandhu.

Cummins, regularly billed as one of the brighest talents in Australian cricket, has played one Test and is being handled very carefully by Cricket Australia after he, too, suffered a number of injuries. Hazlewood, who has appeared in one ODI and one Twenty20, is another who has had fitness issues.

Sayers has played just 14 first-class matches but put his name in contention with an impressive 2012-13 season and showed eye-catching form when Australia A were in the UK ahead of the Ashes series. Coulter-Nile was part of Australia's squad for the recent Champions Trophy in England.

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  • dalboy12 on July 23, 2013, 2:54 GMT

    This is huge for the Aussies, as they have used Pattinson is their enforcer and he was good in the first test (not to mention his batting). Starc is a great bowler but like Johnson he is a bit hit and miss. But being 2-nil down maybe they will call Johnson in --- I mean he may deliver 8- for not much and win them a test. Or of course he may produce 0-100. Personally, I reckon a bowling attack of Bird, Harris and Siddle is the Aussie's best anyhow. Harris and Bird are more contestant line and length bowlers, that have enough pace and move the bowl enough to be very useful in English conditions and Siddle could be asked to get fired up and bowl the fast short spells.

  • on July 22, 2013, 20:41 GMT

    It sounds like a pretty bad injury - not the type you want to hear for a fast bowler. He's put a lot of effort in, and even though it didn't really happen for him at Lord's, you can see he's got a lot of heart and the ability to take wickets. I hope he gets over that injury soon.Looks like Starc or even Faulkner to come in for him, although surely it's not the time for the young lad just yet - not at 2-0 down.

  • thebatsmansHoldingthebowlersWilley on July 22, 2013, 20:34 GMT

    That is a shame for Pattinson. He's had more than his fair share of injuries. I'm an England fan but it is a shame to see a young fast bowler of any country suffer from these types of injuries, it seems to be a rite of passage for young fast bowlers until their bodies toughen up in their mid to late twenties. I'd have thought Bird would be worth a go. Or will the selectors be tempted to go for Faulkner to boost the batting? The bowling is the least of their worries

  • Gandery on July 24, 2013, 7:49 GMT

    Trent Copeland must surely come in consideration now?

  • popcorn on July 24, 2013, 0:42 GMT

    This is a huge blow for us. I hope he gets well before this summer's Ashes.Jackson Bird should get his place. What is the situation on Pat Cummins and Trent Copeland? Mirchell Johnson and Ben Hilfenhaus are waiting to have a go too.

  • Shan156 on July 23, 2013, 21:44 GMT

    @H_Z_O, I don't disagree that it is a backward step. I was just saying that even these players may outperform the current squad. I do think that Hussey still had a year or 2 of cricket left in him before his retirement and Katich still offers Aus. a lot more than any of the current openers. Of course, Aus. would not recall them as, you rightly point out, it would be a backward step. I still think the Aussies have some life left in this series. England's top order has not exactly fired for a while now and I think the Aussies have good plans for Cook and Trott. At least once in the series, the Aussies will win the toss and post a good first innings score and we will have to see how England responds to that.

  • cricinfo_is_the_best on July 23, 2013, 18:51 GMT

    Already the aussies were facing numerous batting problems and now they have lost one of their top three batsmen(not to mention the speedster of bowling attack).Well until and unless the alter the current setup of the team, they are going to be hammered in the same way.They need to try something new say change the batting order-hughes and watson need to exchange their roles for obvious reasons.

  • gsingh7 on July 23, 2013, 16:07 GMT

    pattinson is overrated. look how he failed miserably outside aus. also he is light weight and cannot stand rigors of test cricket , he broke in indian tests as well. all talent is a waste without proper physical attributes. recall johnson he plays with heart which i have not seen from any other aus bowler except siddle. but siddle lacks talents which johnson posses. he can change a game within a spelll or two.

  • SirViv1973 on July 23, 2013, 15:45 GMT

    Further to my previous, I guess Aus may consider Fawad as a replacement. I strongly suspect that we have seen the last of Agar in this Ashes seires & Lyon will surely play at OT. I have though heard Lehman mention the possibilty of going with 2 spinners which could be feasible at OT or the Oval. Although Fawad is still an unknown quanity Aus would have nothing to loose by thowing in him in to a side with Lyon given the dry nature of the pitches we are seeing. However if they are thinking of bringing Fawad in they should do it now & get him in the side for the game against Sussex at the weekend.

  • venkatesh018 on July 23, 2013, 13:13 GMT

    Pattinson looks like another Cummins in the making. May be after another two years of a stop-start International career, will his mind give up and turn to the lure of the T20 leagues. If that happens, it will be a monumental waste, not only for Australia but for world cricket.

  • dalboy12 on July 23, 2013, 2:54 GMT

    This is huge for the Aussies, as they have used Pattinson is their enforcer and he was good in the first test (not to mention his batting). Starc is a great bowler but like Johnson he is a bit hit and miss. But being 2-nil down maybe they will call Johnson in --- I mean he may deliver 8- for not much and win them a test. Or of course he may produce 0-100. Personally, I reckon a bowling attack of Bird, Harris and Siddle is the Aussie's best anyhow. Harris and Bird are more contestant line and length bowlers, that have enough pace and move the bowl enough to be very useful in English conditions and Siddle could be asked to get fired up and bowl the fast short spells.

  • on July 22, 2013, 20:41 GMT

    It sounds like a pretty bad injury - not the type you want to hear for a fast bowler. He's put a lot of effort in, and even though it didn't really happen for him at Lord's, you can see he's got a lot of heart and the ability to take wickets. I hope he gets over that injury soon.Looks like Starc or even Faulkner to come in for him, although surely it's not the time for the young lad just yet - not at 2-0 down.

  • thebatsmansHoldingthebowlersWilley on July 22, 2013, 20:34 GMT

    That is a shame for Pattinson. He's had more than his fair share of injuries. I'm an England fan but it is a shame to see a young fast bowler of any country suffer from these types of injuries, it seems to be a rite of passage for young fast bowlers until their bodies toughen up in their mid to late twenties. I'd have thought Bird would be worth a go. Or will the selectors be tempted to go for Faulkner to boost the batting? The bowling is the least of their worries

  • Gandery on July 24, 2013, 7:49 GMT

    Trent Copeland must surely come in consideration now?

  • popcorn on July 24, 2013, 0:42 GMT

    This is a huge blow for us. I hope he gets well before this summer's Ashes.Jackson Bird should get his place. What is the situation on Pat Cummins and Trent Copeland? Mirchell Johnson and Ben Hilfenhaus are waiting to have a go too.

  • Shan156 on July 23, 2013, 21:44 GMT

    @H_Z_O, I don't disagree that it is a backward step. I was just saying that even these players may outperform the current squad. I do think that Hussey still had a year or 2 of cricket left in him before his retirement and Katich still offers Aus. a lot more than any of the current openers. Of course, Aus. would not recall them as, you rightly point out, it would be a backward step. I still think the Aussies have some life left in this series. England's top order has not exactly fired for a while now and I think the Aussies have good plans for Cook and Trott. At least once in the series, the Aussies will win the toss and post a good first innings score and we will have to see how England responds to that.

  • cricinfo_is_the_best on July 23, 2013, 18:51 GMT

    Already the aussies were facing numerous batting problems and now they have lost one of their top three batsmen(not to mention the speedster of bowling attack).Well until and unless the alter the current setup of the team, they are going to be hammered in the same way.They need to try something new say change the batting order-hughes and watson need to exchange their roles for obvious reasons.

  • gsingh7 on July 23, 2013, 16:07 GMT

    pattinson is overrated. look how he failed miserably outside aus. also he is light weight and cannot stand rigors of test cricket , he broke in indian tests as well. all talent is a waste without proper physical attributes. recall johnson he plays with heart which i have not seen from any other aus bowler except siddle. but siddle lacks talents which johnson posses. he can change a game within a spelll or two.

  • SirViv1973 on July 23, 2013, 15:45 GMT

    Further to my previous, I guess Aus may consider Fawad as a replacement. I strongly suspect that we have seen the last of Agar in this Ashes seires & Lyon will surely play at OT. I have though heard Lehman mention the possibilty of going with 2 spinners which could be feasible at OT or the Oval. Although Fawad is still an unknown quanity Aus would have nothing to loose by thowing in him in to a side with Lyon given the dry nature of the pitches we are seeing. However if they are thinking of bringing Fawad in they should do it now & get him in the side for the game against Sussex at the weekend.

  • venkatesh018 on July 23, 2013, 13:13 GMT

    Pattinson looks like another Cummins in the making. May be after another two years of a stop-start International career, will his mind give up and turn to the lure of the T20 leagues. If that happens, it will be a monumental waste, not only for Australia but for world cricket.

  • thebrotherswaugh on July 23, 2013, 12:46 GMT

    @Chris Sun - McGrath never bowled consistently at 145 kph, not even in his dreams. He bowled high 130's to low 140's at best. I also question the validity of a lot of fastest ball results from that time - much better to look at average bowling speeds, even if you omit the slower balls. He's still one the greatest fast bowlers of all time, certainly OZ's best.

  • Brennan_Azza on July 23, 2013, 11:52 GMT

    I would love to see Josh Hazlewood or Pat Cummins brought in....Hazlewood had great figures against Zimbabwe last week, is very tall, fast, and moves the ball off the seam. However, he's a bit more of a 'hit the deck short of a length bowler' and if England are going to keep rolling out these pitches with less life than Antarctica, we're more likely to go for probably Starc back in the XI again.

  • jmcilhinney on July 23, 2013, 11:51 GMT

    @gbqdgj on (July 23, 2013, 10:55 GMT), Cummins has been injured repeatedly since then. He's healthy at the moment and playing for Australia A, but I have my doubts whether they'll pick him for the first XI again any time soon. Pattinson is three years older and still having injury problems so they'll likely want to give Cummins at least a year or two of domestic and A cricket to strengthen his body more before subjecting it to the rigours of a full international schedule again. He certainly does a genuine prospect though, which makes managing him even more important.

  • VivGilchrist on July 23, 2013, 11:46 GMT

    Well, I guess this is the result of our batsmen not giving our bowlers a decent break. Bird will probably come into contention for the next Test as his control will be an advantage ( Patto wasted the new ball at Lords). Sayers should be drafted into the squad as he is in great form and is tailor-made for bowling in England. To all those funny people commenting on Patto having the best Aussie batting average this series, it's interesting to note that he also has a better average than Cook, Pietersen, Bairstowe, and Prior.

  • Brennan_Azza on July 23, 2013, 11:45 GMT

    @gbqdgj - Cummins was Man of the Match that one test against the South Africans and he has shown a ton of ability and talent. However, despite having just turned 20, in the past 2 years he has had an injury list to rival most fast bowlers whole careers...mainly back and foot stress fractures. Australia have since taken an extremely conservative approach with him and have been re-modelling his action, and he is currently in action for Aus A in South Africa bowling very limited spells. Take out the injury trouble and he is without a shadow of a doubt in Australia's best XI in all three forms. He just needs to get his body right and hopefully, if we don't see him in this test series, we are unable to unleash him on the poms back home.

  • SirViv1973 on July 23, 2013, 11:44 GMT

    Pattinson will be dissapointed with his first Ashes campaign he bowled reasonably well at TB but really struggled at Lords. It will also be a concern for CA that he has not been able to complete another series. I feel sure Aus will call for a replacement, espically considering Harris is unlikley to be fit enough to play 4 tests in 5 weeks. I was under the imperssion that Johnson was first reserve but from what I hear any replacement will come from the A team in SAF which would mean either Hazelwood, Sayers or Coulter Nile. Surley CA would not risk bringing Cummins in to an Ashes series after 1 FC game in 20 months, would they?

  • on July 23, 2013, 11:27 GMT

    1,warnar. 2,watto.3,Clarke.4,vogas.5,Bailey.6,d.hussey. 7,haddin.8,coulter Nile.9,Lyon.10,Johnson.11,McKay.

  • philipg33 on July 23, 2013, 11:26 GMT

    Australia should have picked johnson in the squad from the start. He will always win a you a test per series. sure he will be wayward at times but he will also win you a test match at some point in the series. The last two Ashes tests that Australia won were Mitchell johnson led. Headingley 09 and Perth 11. Australia's selectors have become as bad as ours used to be. back Johnson up with bird, siddle and harris and bat haddin at six. Lyon in for Agar Add Katich to the mix of Watson, Clarke, Warner and Kawaja and you have a test standard side that can push England for the rest of the series. Sad for James Pattinson, he will come back stronger though.

  • on July 23, 2013, 11:06 GMT

    Pick Faulkner. least he can bat unlike the top 6. Maybe he should open.

  • gbqdgj on July 23, 2013, 10:55 GMT

    I've only seen a very brief amount of Cummins, and he looks quick. Can some of you Aussies on here tell me if he could be the 'real deal' and if so, does anyone know why he wasn't selected after his only test? Thanks.

  • Dannynz on July 23, 2013, 10:30 GMT

    The Aussie batsmen should collectively apologise to Pattinson and the other bowlers, a brief rest while the batsmen capitulate quickly on a consistent basis is a recipe for killing your bowlers.

    Agar is not up to it yet and if there is no faith in Lyons then play Faulkner and Bird with Siddle and Harris and let Smith and Warner do the spin bowling (assume Clarke not bowling due to back issues?).

    The batting cupboard is bare for Australia, Warner needs to come in for any of Rogers, Watson or Hughes. Swallow your pride and give Katich a call! I'd also give Haddin the sword and bring in Wade, they will lose nothing behind the stumps and The Aussies really need people to front in the first innings. Aussie cricket really have to ask how things have got so bad. Clarke, grow a pair and bat at no lower than 4!

  • brusselslion on July 23, 2013, 10:19 GMT

    1 (Harris) - unfortunate; 2 (Cummins) - coincidental; 3 (Pattinson) - ?: There does seem to be a problem keeping Aussie quicks fit. Everyone on here has, no doubt, got their theories about the causes but, surely, there are people working for CA, who are being paid a decent sum of money to actually KNOW (or at least, find out) what the real problem is?

  • HaroldLarwood on July 23, 2013, 10:17 GMT

    All this hand-wringing and commiserating with Pattinson from England fans? Do me a favour. It's so trite. Can any of you honestly say, hand on heart, you weren't secretly pleased when you heard he was ruled out? Firstly it's hardly career- threatening for the lad. Secondly, he's been decent enough so it weakens them further. Thirdly, he had plenty to say in the lead up to this series, so maybe he'll keep his mouth shut in future. And finally, do you think the Aussie fans would be so sympathetic if this was one of our quicks? I give you Simon Jones in Brisbane 2002 as an example of their fair mindedness. In my opinion we shouldn't give a monkey's about Australia's team or their injury woes. Leave that to them.

  • SDHM on July 23, 2013, 10:15 GMT

    I'd probably bring Starc back in at Old Trafford. It's a quicker pitch than any of the others being played on this series even if it is no longer anywhere near as quick as it used to be, and it should reverse swing; it always does at OT. Better conditions for Starc than Bird if you ask me, who should come in at Durham, a traditional seamer's ground, and with them being back to back Tests I doubt Harris is going to be able to make it through both of them, so Bird could come in to replace him if needed. Good luck to Pattinson - now's not really the time to be discussing his place in the team or his talent, and wish him well. You don't like to hear of any young cricketer picking up a serious injury, especially seeing as he's had back problems before.

  • Moppa on July 23, 2013, 9:58 GMT

    @Steve McShane, I'll be shocked if Bird doesn't come in for the third Test. Faulkner's best chance is to replace Watson - surely he can make 20 and then get trapped plumb lbw? Unfortunate for Pattinson, who really hasn't shown his best this series - he looked to me to be striving too hard for pace and therefore not finding his rhythm, and ironically therefore losing pace. I still think he has tremendous potential and will come back better and stronger. I do think though that he has a bit of a 'mixed' action, his front foot points quite straight (typical of a chest on bowler) but the he twists through to complete a more conventional side-on bowling action. Hopefully this won't be the source of continual back/torso problems for him.

  • Big_Maxy_Walker on July 23, 2013, 9:40 GMT

    Faulkner is like Hastings, not enough penetration. And to pick him based on improving the batting is silly. Time that the batsmen stepped up, not rely yet again on the tail enders to bail them out. Johnson is worse than Mitchell Starc. Hilfenhaus bowled well in 2009, 4 years ago! Cummins is more injury prone than Patto. The only option is Jackson Bird who played well in the warm ups, has been in the squad the whole time, has an excellent first class record of under 20 per wicket, sticks to an accurate line and keeps the pressure on, and really should have been in the squad from the start. He was also man of the match in one of the 2 tests he has played. The only argument I have seen against him is his lower pace. Which is ridiculous considering all the Aussie bowlers are down on pace, and the England bowlers have shown that pace doesn't mean much next to consistent line and length. Copeland is another who could be considered.

  • H_Z_O on July 23, 2013, 9:33 GMT

    @Shan156 backward step. Winning a Test or preventing a whitewash or any of that isn't worth the issues that'll arise when those guys retire again. Ponting and Hussey are 38, Katich not far behind, Warne's nigh-on 44.

    I actually think clinging on to a non-performing Ponting is one of the reasons they haven't been able to produce a proper top 4. Since stepping down as captain, he'd scored just 2 hundreds, those at home against India in a series they won 4-0, and averaged 37.59. If that's the best you're going to get, aren't you better off playing someone with "potential" and giving them Test match experience? Sometimes the best Test match players don't have great First Class records behind them, but you "discover" their capability in the Test arena.

    The irony is that Katich was dropped despite averaging 48 in the previous calendar year, and with a career average of 50 as an opener, but Punter with a worse record was persisted with even after resigning as captain.

  • Chris_Howard on July 23, 2013, 9:21 GMT

    It's time for Australia to forget about winning, and focus on learning. Short term pain for long term gain.

  • Sharath274 on July 23, 2013, 9:21 GMT

    Guess this time his batting will be missed by the aussies more than his bowling !!!

  • on July 23, 2013, 9:19 GMT

    This is my team and my solution to the bowling etc for the third test. It won't happen but my team is based on being competitive for this summer rather than this series... Watson, Silk, Katich, Smith, Clarke, Warner, Haddin (but prefer one of our younger unknown WK) Copeland, Sandhu, Starc, Ahmed/Lyon... and get Agar working with Warnie and bring him back in the summer to work in tandem with Smith/Katich/Ahmed...

  • DeckChairand6pack on July 23, 2013, 9:11 GMT

    In his delivery stride Pattinson reminds me of Dale Steyn in full flight. That is where any comparison ends. As soon as the ball is bowled he reminds me a bit more of his brother that played 1 test for England. But I am sorry for him, the game can be tough on fast bowlers. At 2 nil down I would go for Cummins who is seriously quick and talented. He has an x factor which the other options don't. It looks as if the experiment with Agar has not worked either so another hole will need to be plugged.

  • on July 23, 2013, 9:10 GMT

    I think he is special talent but needs to work on his fitness..

  • Ozcricketwriter on July 23, 2013, 9:05 GMT

    There are plenty of good bowlers waiting in the wings. This is an opportunity to send in a batting replacement, which is so desperately needed. George Bailey looks like the man most likely so why not send him? The way things are going we will need him very soon.

  • HawK89 on July 23, 2013, 9:04 GMT

    Maybe they can use Pattinson as a batsmen? he averages close enough to all the other top order batsmen, around 30. Hopefully Australia uses Siddle, Bird and Harris. I want to see Bird get a chance and not Starc who is nothing bowler once it stops moving. Can't even bowl a consistent line for an over.

  • 5wombats on July 23, 2013, 8:58 GMT

    @Nampally on (July 23, 2013, 1:13 GMT) - what does IPL have to do with cricket? Please tell us.

  • PrasPunter on July 23, 2013, 8:36 GMT

    @ nallapaiyan , i concur with you - no words can match the action. Not sure why these guys talk themselves up, only to end up eating humble-pie. That said, I dont see a huge difference to the proceedings because of his injury - Aus batting would continue to be pathetic and bowling just as ok as it has been the case.

  • on July 23, 2013, 8:26 GMT

    where is Ben hilfenaus the Austrlian Should call him he is leading wicket tacker vs india and mike hussey sholuld be called back for remaining test

  • king78787 on July 23, 2013, 8:18 GMT

    The fact is that even the aussies bowlers lack quality. They can compete but there is no match winner among them. Without Pattinson who was expensive but gets wickets their attack is nowhere near as vicious or pacy. Bird, Faulkner are both little more than medium pace, Starc will play the next test anyway as Harris will need a rest. Bird has line and length but no pace or substantial swing, Faulkner is not up to bowling with the new ball or as second change as he can't swing it. He is perfect to bowl just before the new ball is due/ overs 40-79.

  • shinewindies on July 23, 2013, 8:12 GMT

    Well no one to steady their innings for Aussies now, wonder who would bat to take them over 200 now. One very good batsmen lost due to injury.

  • on July 23, 2013, 8:11 GMT

    Batsman have to accept some of the responsibility for this. Aussie bowlers needed a rest after the first innings at Lords, but the batsman gave them less than two sessions.

  • on July 23, 2013, 8:09 GMT

    i would go for either james faulkner or mitchell johnson as a replacement !!

  • JG2704 on July 23, 2013, 8:09 GMT

    Unfortunate for the guy and you wonder if it was long spells bowling or long spells batting where he picked up the injury? Seriously , I'm not sure re Aus but I often think Eng overrest their players and while you have to balance it I think you're not building up strength/stamina for long tests if you're resting - never mind getting into a rhythm/form etc. I know his stats are fairly good but I've often thought of him as pretty wayward. I presume Hilf is still injured , if not what sort of form has he been in over the last year? I suppose the 1 consolation is that Aus have plenty of capable pace bowlers in their ranks. I'd definitely go 5/1/5 if in Aus shoes now

  • nallapaiyan on July 23, 2013, 8:02 GMT

    Has anyone forgotten the noise Pattinson made before the start of the first test? Please see this article on cricinfo espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/647455.html . Where's the person who wanted vengeance now? Oh, so sad! Good luck to your son to do it for you, because I don't see you doing it anytime sooner. You're just aggressive with your words and proven to be totally ineffective with the ball. Go back and learn the basics before talking of vengeance.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on July 23, 2013, 7:59 GMT

    Terrible news... Aus. batting dented even further now. If it was just a bowler needed, Clint McKay would be the obvious shoe-in, but unfortunately they need an all-rounder so probably Faulkner will get the nod.

  • SamWintson92 on July 23, 2013, 7:56 GMT

    a) Very unfortunate for Pattinson. He's recently recovered from an injury. Sad to see young Australian fast bowlers struggling with injuries b) Jackson Bird should definitely come straight in the XI. I would have had him in the 1st test XI also c) With Starc & Faulkner as the reserve pacers, I feel Aus should call up Fawad Ahmed, an aggressive legspinner instead of a seamer & give him a go. Agar failed with the bat.

  • YorkshirePudding on July 23, 2013, 7:54 GMT

    @AussieSam, I think you're being optomisitc to say he will be back in for the Aussie summer at a push he might be back intime for the Boxing day test, it really depends on the severity of the injury.

    In recent times Onions and Tremlett have had similar problems and they were out for 6-12 months, so if we are very optomistic and say 6 months that makes the boxing day test a possibility, but will he be match fit?

    In some ways it could be a good thing and get him to remodel like Lillee who was far more dangerous after his back issues.

    As I said before I wish the lad well as hes a promising bowler.

  • muzika_tchaikovskogo on July 23, 2013, 7:52 GMT

    I wonder where Ben Hilfenhaus has vanished. If he's not injured, he ought to have been an automatic pick for English conditions which suit his style of bowling.

  • Thefakebook on July 23, 2013, 7:38 GMT

    Jackson Bird is my straight replacement but James Faulkner is more likely to get a call due to his all round talent or Mitch Starc will be back.I think Bird is perfect for English condition and is economical unlike Starc and or Patto,I'm not saying any one can win OZ the match because the batting will fail again how bad not sure.But Bird can fly Australia out of some tricky situations!

  • on July 23, 2013, 7:21 GMT

    It is said that everything happens for a reason.Aussies need to send an SOS to Mitchell Johnson. He can also double up as an opener!!! He won't be doing any bad than Watson. Plus he would definitely get a few more wickets!!!

  • Thegimp on July 23, 2013, 7:15 GMT

    Hmmmm what was I saying in another post about young bowlers not getting enough overs? An under 17 quick bowler can not bowl more than 16 overs in a day and no more than 6 in a spell. If a 17yo plays both juniors and seniors on a given Saturday and bowles say 10 overs in the morning you have to drop him from your side because he is useless to you, he is only good for 6 overs in a 72 over afternoon. A kid can get to 18yo never having bowled a 10 over spell. Yes we will have more quicks coming through but they are not battle hardened and break too easily.

  • jmcilhinney on July 23, 2013, 7:15 GMT

    @Playfair on (July 23, 2013, 5:54 GMT), given his own injury issues, I'm guessing that we won't see Cummins back in the Test side for at least a year or two no matter how well he bowls. Pattinson is a couple of years older and appears susceptible to injuries so they likely won't want to stress Cummins too much again yet.

  • Amit_13 on July 23, 2013, 7:14 GMT

    Oh no!!!! They've lost their best batsman!!!

  • dizzay on July 23, 2013, 7:04 GMT

    Anyone who is suggesting Johnson has clearly never been a bowler themselves, have you forgotten his last ashes over there?! The guy has never been able to hold the seam in an upright position, kids stuff. Should be getting Cummins and Sayers within striking distance.

  • on July 23, 2013, 6:46 GMT

    Blow for the Aussies to lose their best batsman (I'm not even joking - he has the best batting average for Aus in the Ashes so far...)

  • IcePhase on July 23, 2013, 6:42 GMT

    @BenGundry Surely they'd have to call up Sayers before MJ? He bowled pretty darn well in the Aus-A matches in England.

  • on July 23, 2013, 6:25 GMT

    sad - looked a decent Bat

  • spot_on on July 23, 2013, 6:21 GMT

    Please bring in Faulkner. He is really as quick as Wahab and has all the techniques in the box which a left arm seamer should have. We know Cook's, KP's weakness against left arm bowlers. Ex: Zaheer Khan and Aamer !!! Jeez I wish OZ had Mohammed Aamer in their team by now.

  • AussieSam on July 23, 2013, 6:15 GMT

    This is a shame for Patto, but one positive is at least it's happened early in the series so he has time to come good for the Australian summer (where he will be a bigger threat to the Eng batsmen anyway). As good as he is (and will be) he probably needs to become a little more accurate to really cause problems in England. Bird will have to come in now. I do think its strange that Johnson isn't even in the squad but I think as long as Harris is fit he can play as the strike bowler better than any of the other options (including Pattinson) anyway. Siddle and Bird keeping things tight, Harris bowling short attacking spells. And for god's sake, put Lyon back in the team!!! Yes, he doesn't get as many wickets as Swann or some of the other spinners around but he has shown he can tie batsmen (who aren't MS Dhoni) down and we were sorely missing that in the last Test. I'm not just saying this because Agar failed (with the ball), I was thinking it from the moment I heard Lyon wasn't picked.

  • jmcilhinney on July 23, 2013, 6:11 GMT

    @Faisal_Nazir on (July 23, 2013, 3:29 GMT), I've heard it said that CA didn't believe that Khawaja could control a game the way they wanted. It seems they are more impressed with someone like Hughes, who might blaze a match-winning innings every now and again, than someone like Kahwaja, who will likely provide solid contributions regularly.

  • on July 23, 2013, 5:59 GMT

    is there any possiblity to play him as batsmen in top three.

  • Playfair on July 23, 2013, 5:54 GMT

    Cummins should be an ideal replacement

  • BenGundry on July 23, 2013, 5:53 GMT

    Why are several people mentioning Johnson. I agree he would provide an x-factor, but he's not in the squad or the A-team. Surely it will be a toss up between Bird, Faulkner, or Starc.

    If they also lost Siddle, then i can imagine they will think of bringing other more experienced players into the squad.

  • Big_Fat_Dan on July 23, 2013, 5:44 GMT

    Whatever happened to Ben Hilfenhaus? He usually liked playing over here and got bit swing over here.

  • jmcilhinney on July 23, 2013, 5:36 GMT

    @Cpt.Meanster on (July 23, 2013, 3:42 GMT), Anderson had cramp towards the end of the Trent Bridge game according to England and, given that he came back and cleaned up the tail, to suggest anything else is pure speculation. As for after Lords, any fast bowler will be tired and sore after a Test match but I'm not aware of anything specific to suggest that Anderson was anything other than normal at that stage. Not making things up to illustrate your point, are you? As for what Test cricket does to players, given that Test cricket was the only form of international cricket for many years, you can hardly say that anything that happens now and didn't then is caused by Test cricket. More likely it's the fact that all the gaps are packed with 50- and 20-over cricket so there's no respite. I have nothing against T20 in principle but if you consider that Test cricket is cricket and the others are derivative then it's the lack of rest that they cause that is hurting bowlers.

  • on July 23, 2013, 5:22 GMT

    Best replacement is Faulkner,,,Or Johnson,, they both can bat too in crunch times,,,

  • thebarmyarmy on July 23, 2013, 5:21 GMT

    Big loss for Australia. Just when they needed strength in their batting, they have lost one of their only true hopes.

  • Syd_F on July 23, 2013, 5:18 GMT

    I'm not with people who are bashing this Australian side. This side has all the talents it needs to be successful, they just needs some temperament & some sense of direction, which Boof can provide aplenty. In 1st test they were 15 runs away from victory. Watson behaves, thinks & acts like a teenager not a senior. So, he should be kept out of the side, to sort his mental issues. He needs to grow up. @dalboy12, having Siddle, Harris & Bird together would make the attack one-dimensional. Siddle is not an enforcer any more. He has turned himself into a work-horse. So, this injury might turn as blessings in disguise for Australia. They should now include Faulkner for Pattinson, Lyon for Agar, & Cowan in for WATSON. At least Cowan will play 70-80 balls and take some shine off it, and most probably won't mess with DRS. If Clarke is so eager for No.5 slot just keep him there. So my lineup will be, Cowan, Rogers, Khwaja, Smith, Clarke, Hughes, Haddin, Faulkner, Siddle, Harris & Lyon

  • on July 23, 2013, 5:10 GMT

    Aus have so many bowling options. Maybe they should pick 9 Bowlers (+ Haddin + Clarke) for the next test, coz anyways the bowlers are making the majority of runs!!

  • VVSR92 on July 23, 2013, 5:08 GMT

    major blow for aussie but good decison to pull him out so they can get him fit for 2nd leg of ashes tests downunder which are the ultimate deciders .

  • monisri on July 23, 2013, 4:56 GMT

    Agar was picked to get wickets and he proved he can bat too. But in present scenario, Agar should be dropped and get a wicket taking spinner who can bat a bit . Pattison can be replaced by Faulkner. Bring back Fawad Ahamed as this time of the summer weather is okay for a le spinner. If Australia wins the toss bat first put good total on the board. England will be under pressure in the 4th innings. My bets are with Ozies, if they bat first and cross 350 mark in the first innings, they will definitely going to win. _Nizam_

  • cric_J on July 23, 2013, 4:47 GMT

    This is a big blow to Australia. Although I rate Siddle as their best bowler , Pattinson surely is the most aggressive and threatening one. He hadn't been at his best in the series yet. He was average at Trent Bridge ,very poor in the 1st inngs at Lord's when he struggled to adjust his line and length due to the slope of the pitch but bowled his best in the series in the second innings. So , just when he had started to gain some form and just when I expected him to damage the England top order in the coming game or so, he has been ruled out. Being an England supporter , I think I'd take that gladly enough.

  • tjsimonsen on July 23, 2013, 4:36 GMT

    @Cpt.Meanster: No, this is what T20 does to cricket!

  • on July 23, 2013, 4:35 GMT

    Australia doesn't know how to manage Pattinson well, or any of their other fast bowlers apart from Glenn McGrath who manages himself. McGrath slowed down his pace a lot to prolong his career and with his pinpoint accuracy he still got a lot of wickets. He rarely went above the 130kph mark later in his career, but during the 1990s he was bowling at 145kph.

    Best to not try and bowl as fast as you can.

  • on July 23, 2013, 4:01 GMT

    The replacement should be Faulkner into the side

  • on July 23, 2013, 3:45 GMT

    Mitchell Johnson can play because he can bat a bit too

  • LillianThomson on July 23, 2013, 3:42 GMT

    I agree with Mervo. Starc, Siddle, Harris and Bird are all in the 132-142K speed range.

    Mitchell Johnson should be there for both his extra pace and his batting. If he can score big runs against SA he can do it against England.

  • Cpt.Meanster on July 23, 2013, 3:42 GMT

    Sad news for Australia. This is what test cricket does to fast bowlers nowadays, it destroys them. Lasith Malinga and Brett Lee anybody ? This could happen to England too. I hope their fans don't get too pleased about their bowlers' supposed fitness. Anderson is slowly but surely on his way towards an injury. There were signs of it after Trent Bridge and Lord's. Anyway,l it seems Jackson Bird will surely get a game now. Now Australia have two fronts to worry about: batting, and bowling.

  • on July 23, 2013, 3:42 GMT

    Where is Mitchell Johnson? My first choice!

  • Faisal_Nazir on July 23, 2013, 3:29 GMT

    Khwaja looks miles ahead of philip hughes and ed cowan,technically as well as mentally.I have no idea why on earth were they persisiting with cowan and hughes both.Khwaja has been treated unfairly throughout.Kept on the bench and never given substantial oppurtunity to prove himself.Maybe he wasnt in clarke's good books.

  • on July 23, 2013, 3:23 GMT

    @Nampally @ cloudmess Would love to have M Hussey and Ponting back, but they have both already ruled themselves out. IMO The aussies need to stick with the same batsman for the next test and back them to come good. The only changes should be Clarke to come in at 3 or 4. He is the team best batsman and the other batsman will benefit from batting with him, Jackson Bird to replace Pattison (injured) and Agar (injured) to be replaced by Faulkner or Lyon depending on conditions.

  • on July 23, 2013, 3:16 GMT

    All the best patto with your recovery mate. I'd like to see Jackson bird get an opportunity. Is accurate and can swing the ball well. As for batting woes I think warner should play the next test down the order in place of Watson. Put hughes as opener. Watson needs to go back and work on his technique he is getting out far too often lbw to the in swinging ball. Sort this out and he will become more than just a short form specialist.

  • Beef_ on July 23, 2013, 3:10 GMT

    This should hit Australia really hard... He was their best bat after Agar!!!:)

  • heathrf1974 on July 23, 2013, 3:09 GMT

    The Aussies should bring in Bird for Pattinson. He is a tight bowler along the lines of Terry Alderman.

  • Patchmaster on July 23, 2013, 3:08 GMT

    To be fair - Pattersons skill could never match his hilariously lame stares at batsmen - anyone would think he was Michael Holding....he he.....

  • on July 23, 2013, 2:55 GMT

    Chadd sayers should come into the squad with bird playing the next test

  • mudders on July 23, 2013, 2:53 GMT

    Hopefully he is ready for the return series. He hasn't been at his best so far this tour, but should bowl better in Australia.

  • ecricl on July 23, 2013, 2:50 GMT

    pretty sad for australia.now they have lost one of their most inform batsman in this series.......................mor problem for MC & Co lol

  • Buckers97 on July 23, 2013, 2:49 GMT

    Bring in Coulter-Nile and Sayers and Pat Cumins

  • on July 23, 2013, 2:48 GMT

    Australia have lost one of their best batsmen.

  • on July 23, 2013, 2:38 GMT

    Please bring Pat cummins in to this line up to go with Harris and Siddle. That would help and send Huges and cowan back to Australia and bring Katich & Adam Voges in. That's the only way Aussies can even think of saving at least two matches...Ashton Agar is playing as a bowler so he needs to pick up wickets. He has a long way to go... If you need your number 11 to come out and hit a century to save the game, you dont need a top order... Bring Lyon in. Agar couldn't pick up a single wicket on a pitch which assisted spin to part timers like Root & Smith. That shows how bad Agar as a bowler is.. But I'm pretty sure Aussies can send Agar in @ 4 instead of Huges... As a specialist Batsmen & he will bat way better than Huges...

  • Dangertroy on July 23, 2013, 2:37 GMT

    What a blow to lose our only batsman whose average has gone up during this series (apart from agar...)

    Not sure if they will replace him on the tour, theres bird starc and faulkner still to come in, but harris is unlikely to play the next three, so another injury andyou're out of reserves... If we call someone up, I'd like it to be Copeland, he had a great spell in county.

  • jmcilhinney on July 23, 2013, 2:28 GMT

    Very disappointed for Pattinson. Australia really do have as good or better depth in their fast bowling compared to any other country but it looks like they'll need it because they seem more injury-prone than most. Obviously England's choice to bat on was a ploy to wear down the Australian bowlers and fielders but I'm sure that actual injury was not a specific aim. It was always a risk for Australia though, given their history. One wonders how much this contributed to Pattinson's disappointing display during both Tests but the second in particular. At least it sounds like they may have caught it early so the period of convalescence will be as short as possible. He may yet be a handful for England back on his home turf.

  • Shaggy076 on July 23, 2013, 2:03 GMT

    Nampally; Lets not just stop at Mike Hussey how about we go with Bob Simpson and Neil Harvey as well. Why do you feel the incessant need to keep dropping names of retired players. If you feel like you need to comment on australian cricket perhaps be informed first.

  • deadite11 on July 23, 2013, 2:01 GMT

    Please dont bring Mitchell johnson, he'll bleed runs and not taking wickets. For better results bring Hilfenhaus.

  • thebrotherswaugh on July 23, 2013, 1:57 GMT

    Unfortunately, he is injury prone, and I can't see that trend ending. The news just gets worse for OZ. We've lost one of our more consistent batsmen who also happens to open the bowling. There are no easy fixes to the current situation. Bird in for Pattinson, Starc in for one of the misfiring batsmen (he can bat a bit as well), but no ther changes. Agar needs to bowl well. The remaining batsmen need to improve and score runs but also occupy the crease, so our bowlers get a decent amount of downtime between innings. Let this side finish what they began. @Mervo - We've been down that path too many times before - he can stick to ODI's. I'd much prefer Bird or Starc into the side. @TWIC - Yeah, really insightful and intelligent comments there. Anyone else out there understand Gibberish? What truly amazes me is that the Board and the CEO (aka the Teflon Kid) continue to escape scrutiny. They are supposedly in charge, so they need to be held to account.

  • on July 23, 2013, 1:56 GMT

    I'd say it will be Harris Siddle Bird, but something about that attack doesn't give me confidence they can bowl England out. Think they might opt for Starc. Also Nathan Lyon needs to return. I know it's harsh to drop Agar, but while he's bowled relatively tidily, he hasn't looked like taking a bagful. Say what you will about the batting order but I think the best thing they can do now is just leave it as is. There will be no Ponting/Katich/Hussey fairytale. Just need to bat with patience, I can't and won't believe that the players we've picked are that technically inept.

  • Shan156 on July 23, 2013, 1:46 GMT

    As some have mentioned, I am sure Warne, Ponting, Hussey, and Katich would do a good job, even win a test for Aus. if picked now. Doubt if the Aussie selectors, coach, and pup would pick them even if the aforementioned gentlemen want to play but it maybe worth a try to get at least 2 out of the 4.

  • 214ty on July 23, 2013, 1:28 GMT

    Blame the batsmen. If they had scored runs and occupied the crease, Pattison might have had less bowling and might not have been injured.

  • on July 23, 2013, 1:24 GMT

    @Cloudmess Are there any other players retired from first class cricket you think should be picked? Brad Hodge? Steve Waugh? Allan Border? The real answer is to take talent-scouting more seriously. The structure of the Shield and the BBL at the moment encourages old players to play longer. Although the oft-heard cry is that the young batsmen aren't good enough, there simply aren't enough of them getting any games..

  • Nampally on July 23, 2013, 1:13 GMT

    @cloudmess: One of the 2 guys pulled up on discipline is Katich. OZ team cannot afford to pull guys off the team when they do not have batting. Maxwell was considered by some as a good All rounder at least for IPL. Lyon is needed to reinforce spin. Johnson bowled well in IPL. I don't know whether Ponting will produce due to being out of practice. But he was a great player.

  • dizzay on July 23, 2013, 1:07 GMT

    Part 1.c) of my manifesto. The Australian Trinity of Cricketing Dysfunction (take note CA):

    1. Generation Y: a) Inattention and immediate gratification. b) Preoccupation with image rather than substance. c) Generally being mentally soft and overstating injuries. Blaming bad performances on 'injuries' but still getting contract money. 2.The lack of interest in cricket with kids primarily due to popularization of Soccer (no offence intended, its just a quicker and easier game to learn and everyone gets to be involved plus there is potentially much more money to be made and poster boys/girls are more glamorous.) 3. BBL/IPL and rewarding outrageous contracts for little work/talent. Eg. Maxwell scoring 1 mill for 30 runs in 3 matches. Maybe a minor commission based system should be used for our test players. What incentive do players have to be playing quality test cricket when they are already sitting on cushy 20/20 contracts?

  • AngryAngy on July 23, 2013, 1:04 GMT

    Pattinson earned the support of selectors not only for his initial bursts at home, but also with his surprising successful bowling in India, so it was going to be more difficult to drop him for a couple of rough games (pity Lyon has struggled to earn that same respect). On the short term, it may be seen as a good thing, because there are bowlers waiting in the wings, but few like to dwell on the medium term, to think that maybe he could have come good and produced some of his devastating best.

    On the bright side, it's another good long spell in the batting nets for a young man who made a hundred batting at 3 for the Dandenong 2nd XI 5 years ago.

  • riahcmra on July 23, 2013, 0:39 GMT

    lets face it he wasn't bowling well anyway ... why did we pick 3 RH quicks anyway? regarding our batting ... someone has to say it. For far too long going right back to Steve Waugh our "best" batsmen have cowered in the middle order waiting for a softer ball with less bounce, and leaving the young guys to be cannon fodder at the top order - Ponting being the only exception. No way should Clarke continue this spineless tradition ... is it any wonder we have top order problems with our "best" leading from the rear for so long ...

  • Greatest_Game on July 23, 2013, 0:37 GMT

    What terrible news. This could scarcely be worse for Aus. Pattinson plays a vital role in the Aus lineup, and as numerous well-informed posters here have repeatedly confirmed, he is of critical importance to Aussie fortunes. For example, his injury last year in the Adelaide test is the reason Aus could not finish off SA & take that test, why Aus lost the Perth match, and therefore why Aus lost the series. No wonder Aus were unable to settle in and focus at Lords: Pattinson was nursing a niggle!!! The world's best young quick is so essential to Aus' strategies, that as goes James, so goes the team. His loss means that Eng now may have a chance of retaining the ashes. Wow, what unbelievably bad luck that it has happened again, and just when Aus are only 3 matches away from taking back the Urn, and reclaiming the number 3 spot in the rankings.

  • TheBigBoodha on July 23, 2013, 0:35 GMT

    Big_Maxy_Walker "The only fast bowler in the squad who can keep the runs down and is accurate."

    Have you not been watching the series? The English top order have been scoring at two runs an over most of the time. And how anybody could say Harris and Watson are not accurate is beyond me.

  • TheBigBoodha on July 23, 2013, 0:29 GMT

    Disappointing, but it was obvious there was something wrong, the way he was bowling within himself, not committing his body fully at the crease. I thought maybe someone had told him to bowl like an English medium pacer, but at least now we know why he was bowling like that.

    Won't make any difference to the AUS bowling, as we have guys like Bird, Starc etc who will come in and probably do a better job. It's a pity Cummins and Hazelwood are underdone with the AUS A team, as either of those fully fit would be fantastic.

  • CricketChat on July 23, 2013, 0:06 GMT

    With Mitchell Starc disappointing in the opener, they have no choice but to bring in Bird.

  • Optic on July 23, 2013, 0:04 GMT

    The Aussie lot will be gutted, they will be missing their best batsman. I don't think there has ever been an more over hyped bowler come over here since 2009 and Mitch Johnson. All this talk of 90+mph this and that, those that were coming out with such claims can't have watched him bowl at home, he's at best about Jimmy Anderson's speed but without all the mad skills.. The fact he's got the vast majority of his wickets at home against India should speak volumes.

    Anyway seriously though, no one wants to see a young bowler go down with a serious injury, I wish him all the best.

  • whoster on July 23, 2013, 0:03 GMT

    Got to feel for any bowler who misses so much cricket through injury - hope Pattinson comes back soon. As for his replacement, take your pick. None of them are experienced or proven at Test level. With their batting being so apocalyptically bad, hard to see the Aussies winning a Test.

  • Potatis on July 22, 2013, 23:47 GMT

    Looking forward to seeing Bird play, he should have been in the team for all 5 tests.

  • OneEyedAussie on July 22, 2013, 23:44 GMT

    Pattinson's pace was down at Lords and he looked out of sorts. It's not surprising he pulled up injured considered the number of overs he's had to bowl because the Australian batsmen can't bat long enough to give the bowlers a proper rest between innings. The good news is that it sounds like the problem has been picked up in it's early stages so hopefully we will see Pattinson bowling again in Brisbane.

  • bobagorof on July 22, 2013, 23:40 GMT

    @John Verdal: I'm sure Warner's 17 runs for Australia A have been ideal preparation.

  • Mad_Hamish on July 22, 2013, 23:40 GMT

    Can we play him as a batsman only?

  • wellrounded87 on July 22, 2013, 23:34 GMT

    Bird or Sayers to come in for Pattinson. I like Sayers he has hardly put a foot wrong since his first class debut

  • Gary_the_Pom on July 22, 2013, 23:23 GMT

    i blame the unpires and the DRS

  • RednWhiteArmy on July 22, 2013, 23:20 GMT

    I sense another potential excuse is brewing.

  • H_Z_O on July 22, 2013, 22:49 GMT

    I'm sure he'll be disappointed but this might be a blessing in disguise. He's looked a little out of rhythm (which has shown in his pace being well down) and struggled to control the swing with the Dukes. If he can rest up and be fit for the return series, I would expect him to pose a much deadlier threat on the faster bouncier tracks we'll likely encounter out there.

    I said before the series that this insistence on getting rid of the rotation policy just because Mickey Arthur got sacked was a bad decision. You can take it too far, but it just doesn't make sense to bowl these young guys into the ground before they have a chance for their bodies to adapt to the workloads they're under.

    Of course it doesn't help when their batsmen keep getting out quickly (it's not even the low scores, it's the shortness of the innings) so they get very little rest between innings. The batsmen should feel bad because this is mostly their fault. He's batted better than many of them too!

  • on July 22, 2013, 22:45 GMT

    I think he is the most unfit 23 year old player

  • Wefinishthis on July 22, 2013, 22:41 GMT

    Mervo - Has he? In MJ's last series in India, he couldn't bowl even two balls in the same spot. Lmaotsetung - Starc is the weakest of all of the bowlers in the Australian squad, other than perhaps Agar or Lyon. I'd be more concerned with Jackson Bird who will now likely come into contention.

  • on July 22, 2013, 22:23 GMT

    Without Pattinson, the Aussie batting is going to be severely weakened.

  • on July 22, 2013, 22:19 GMT

    Another young quick bites the dust. Has anyone put two and two together here and realized that there's something systemically wrong? Could it be their footwear? Landing hard on bad shoes with an intrinsic design flaw can play havoc. Could it be insufficient "bowling fitness" and too much of the other type -- which will probably wind up still growing musculoskeletal frames to the point where these injuries can happen too easily? Either way, time to bring Jackson Bird in. He's a bit older and has more metronomic accuracy. And -- he's not been worn out.

  • landl47 on July 22, 2013, 22:13 GMT

    It's not good to hear that a young player is injured, but this was entirely predictable. Ryan Harris can't carry a full load or he'll break down, so to have him in the side with Pattinson and Watson was pretty much bound to end with someone going down. I'm sorry it was Pattinson, who has a lot of heart and never gave up in either test.

    Pattinson was going to be the spearhead for the Aussie attack, but wound up being used as a stock bowler. 7 wickets @43 was not what Aus was hoping for from him.

    Aus's problem now is that they have numbers but not experience. Bird and Faulkner have 2 tests and less than 60 FC games between them. Starc has more test experience and has played in England, but it's the same problem with him as with Pattinson, if Harris plays he'll be used as a stock bowler which isn't his best role.

    I never thought I'd be saying this, but right now Aus needs Mitch Johnson.

  • Mitty2 on July 22, 2013, 22:11 GMT

    Well he always looked out of rhythm and definitely would have had some niggles. In India he was bowling at 150km/h regularly and averaged a brilliant 27 for the series... But even then before it was revealed he was injured he looked out of sorts bowling at just 135. In this series, he was bowling at a disappointing 130-135, although he gained impressive reverse in the first stage. Some English have said his hype is unjustified, and based on that performance it's true, but if you can use injuries as an excuse for Jimmy's overall average, then the same can be said for Patto, all the best. Although I do have my doubts about his overall durability.... His action is too stressing (same as Cummings)

    In comes Bird, who should've played the first test. He is - with Harris - the best quick in the country for many reasons - not withstanding his durable action. Sayers should come in to the squad - he's a gun. Starc shouldn't play for the rest of the series.

  • thebarmyarmy on July 22, 2013, 22:09 GMT

    Bring back Johnson! Im sure he will do well.

  • coldcoffee123 on July 22, 2013, 22:04 GMT

    Is this what the Aussies have accomplished by player-load management, rotation, injury prevention, filing diet reports and logbooks.?? Way to go.

  • on July 22, 2013, 21:58 GMT

    This is why England batted on. Aussie seamers are not only no-where near as good as the Aussie press have been making them out to be for the past 12 months - but as brittle as rice paper hammers. England bat on to destroy them. Send the sicknotes home. I wanted England to bat to 20 minutes after lunch and maybe Harris would be on his way home as well. Still - 3 more tests to get these chocolate fire-guards well and truly roasted.

  • typos on July 22, 2013, 21:55 GMT

    I notice that this type of injury is now happening with greater frequency. I wonder if more medical research is required to help recover the careers of really promising fast bowlers some of whom were destined for greatness; the likes of Bruce Reid, Ian Bishop, Shane Bond spring to mind.

  • WallFly on July 22, 2013, 21:53 GMT

    Australian quicks seem to be more susceptible to injury than on average. While it is understandable that some are more prone to injuries than others (e.g. Clarke's back problems), the rising number of incidents affecting the bowling corps cannot be put down merely to the innate frailties of each bowler's body. Perhaps the training programme or the Physio's adeptness should be brought into question as well.

  • on July 22, 2013, 21:48 GMT

    Australia should callback Mitchell Johnson. He has experience and can be a handful against England with his pace and bounce.

  • Puffin on July 22, 2013, 21:46 GMT

    Inevitable really, what with the batsmen failing so badly and piling pressure onto the bowlers. They're like overloaded beasts of burden.

  • on July 22, 2013, 21:40 GMT

    Disappointing for Patto but he'll be back i'm sure, I hope this is something they found pretty early and that there is not too much damage done. I can't see the selectors going past Bird as a replacement, who, incidentally suffered the same type of injury in February.

  • blink182alex on July 22, 2013, 21:39 GMT

    Shame for Patto, didn't show his quality in the 2nd test but 47 wickets @ 26 speaks for itself. However, fortunately it's in a seam attack where there are no problems, i think in all honesty we are the only country that can have a couple of injuries to our fast bowlers and still not loose out by bringing in other bowlers who are just as good.

    Much may depend on the Sussex tour match where it may be a bowl off between Starc and Bird, although Harris for sure won't play the 4th test if he plays the 3rd.As for Cummins he can't be seriously considered for the test side until well into the next Ashes series in December 2013, hopefully after a good Shield start for NSW.

  • CricketingStargazer on July 22, 2013, 21:36 GMT

    My guess is that the selectors will announce very quickly that Fawad Ahmed will be the official replacement . There is plenty of fast bowling in the squad, but the spin bowling resources are very thin, which was the deciding factor in this Test. The one thing that Australia can do to try to reverse things is to call up a wrist spinner and this us the perfect opportunity.

  • saravanan.s on July 22, 2013, 21:31 GMT

    I think Aus Batsman will be more worried than any one else, as they have to some how score that Extra Runs (what James was scoring). On the other hand Eng will be thinking like - OK OT-3rd Test match will lost long for 3 days (max). Because I'm sure James is out, Agar will be Out and if all these calculations are True then they are looking after to bowl 65 Over all together in both the INN to AUS. Come On Aus, they these comments are little too much, I also still have a Hope that AUS can come back only If they go with this option Drop ROGER Immediately, Bring back Warner, then we are looking like Warner, Watson, Khawaja, Steve Smith, Clarke, Wade, Haddin, Lyon, Bird, Siddle, Harris. If Warner Fires then I'm sure Eng Bowling will shake little a bit (I saw that when Clarke & Khawaja made 98 Runs Partnership). More over Eng will miss Kevin and their other batsman except Bell is also struggling. So then that will open up this contest....

  • UndertheGrill on July 22, 2013, 21:28 GMT

    Weakens the batting, if nothing else!

  • recycle-bin-is-empty on July 22, 2013, 21:25 GMT

    Aus are probably going to miss Pattinson more as a batsmen compared to as a bowler. Get well soon champ :) one of the very best fast emerging bowler in cricket.

  • 2.14istherunrate on July 22, 2013, 21:25 GMT

    Why am I not surprised? Because along with one or two Aussies this guy is injury prone. He was always going to be sidelined by injury. His batting will be sorely missed. next to go down? well it won't be Siddle who seems quite fit. Replacement? They could send Johnson. I guess most of the England side would meet him at the airport and give him the red carpet. At Manchester Bird will get a game possibly, or Starc return. How long will Harris last is the next question. Why was Hilfenhaus not picked? He took 24 wkts in 2009. They could play 2 spinners of course. They are in a tailspin of horrendous proportions. reminds me of one or tours downunder for us.

  • KenaMara on July 22, 2013, 21:23 GMT

    Usually when a player does not perform well and there is fear of being dropped from the next match, they suffer an injury and this is exactly what has happened in Pat's case. All the best Mitch Starc for the remainder of the series!

  • on July 22, 2013, 21:22 GMT

    I expect Australia to perform much better in the third test match. our bowling will be much better. I hope our batsmen can perform better. 1.rogers 2.watson 3.khawaja 4.doolan 5.clarke 6.warner 7.haddin 8.siddle 9.harris 10.lyon 11.bird

  • StJohn on July 22, 2013, 21:20 GMT

    That's a shame - Pattinson is a great bowler and a great prospect. I don't think it'll matter much to Australia though as they do have so many good fast bowlers in the wings. I think Bird will bowl very well. But Australia won't be able to rely on him to score many runs!

    Where's Hilfenhaus too? He bowled well in England in 2009!

  • on July 22, 2013, 21:16 GMT

    Australia need to send cowan and hughes to Australia a squad and replace them with david warner and alex doolan.

  • cloudmess on July 22, 2013, 21:14 GMT

    Nampally - as well as Mike Hussey, it might be time to stiffen the batting with two other fine Australian batsmen who never seem to get to picked these days - Simon Katich and Ricky Ponting. Ponting was, I hear, in quite good form recently. Similarly, now that Warnie has retired from BBL, it should free up more time for him to come and rescue Australia out of a disastrous Ashes series;)

  • hhillbumper on July 22, 2013, 21:11 GMT

    I wish him all the best for the future and hope that his injury clears up soon.No one wants to see players injured.

  • Whatsgoinoffoutthere on July 22, 2013, 21:09 GMT

    @ Cyril_Knight

    "Everyone knew that at least one of the Aussie quicks would have a series ending injury, so this is no surprise. "

    Yes it is, the surprise being that the bowler wasn't called Ryan Harris!

  • Mervo on July 22, 2013, 21:08 GMT

    Mitchell Johnson since he reformed his action has been fast and accurate. He has over 200 Test wickets and should be there.

  • TWIC on July 22, 2013, 21:02 GMT

    Pat Cummins won't do, with 5 first class matches he's already got too much experience for an aus bowling attack. I rate Lehman should send for a U19 or U21 state prospect with about 2 or 3 first class matches under his belt. That appears to be the way the aus team has been put together anyway, promise and prospect over past performances

  • Shan156 on July 22, 2013, 21:01 GMT

    I was going to post yesterday that Pattinson may be dropped or he might be injured. Too bad that he is injured. Hopefully, he will be fit for the return series down under. Hopefully, the rest of the Aussie attack will be fit for this series. Although Pattinson was not taking a lot of wickets, his batting was actually quiet good. Aussie fans would probably miss his batting more than his bowling in this series. Most likely Bird will be playing in OT.

  • YorkshirePudding on July 22, 2013, 21:01 GMT

    Its a shame for the Lad it he has a promising career if he can sort out the injury problems, depending on the nature, and if its like Onions or Tremlett both of which suffered similar injuries, he could be out for anything from 6-18 months.

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on July 22, 2013, 21:00 GMT

    Disappointing for Pattison, but he was always going to be dropped anyway after Anderson out bowled him by a thousand miles and was much quicker than him too. Australia should bring in Falkner, who could prove useful. His 79mph long hops will be lethal against the English batmen on the Old Trafford pitch, one of the paciest in the country. Could be a tight match.

  • Big_Maxy_Walker on July 22, 2013, 20:59 GMT

    It has to be Bird to replace him. The only fast bowler in the squad who can keep the runs down and is accurate

  • on July 22, 2013, 20:55 GMT

    Australian seamers in third test match should be harris, bird and siddle.

  • Nampally on July 22, 2013, 20:54 GMT

    Sad to see Pattinson go. He will be missed more in batting than bowling. Now is the ideal time to get a replacement in Mike Hussey, to reinforce batting. OZ team needs him more than any bowler. He will also boost the team confidence by mere presence. Also the 2 openers who are dropped on disciplinary grounds need to be considered. Australia need batting more than bowling. Their 2 sub par scores at lords shows how badly they batted. Better to admit your weakness & address it rather than brush it under the carpet.

  • 2MikeGattings on July 22, 2013, 20:52 GMT

    The revolving door to the Australia changing room takes another swing...

  • Cyril_Knight on July 22, 2013, 20:52 GMT

    Everyone knew that at least one of the Aussie quicks would have a series ending injury, so this is no surprise. Who will replace him?

    The best bowler I have seen in County cricket this season, has been Magoffin. I doubt he'll get the call, but he is solid, quick enough, very fit and moves the ball. He is also in form and playing for a winning side. I don't think any of the bowlers in the A side would perform better than him.

  • on July 22, 2013, 20:50 GMT

    I cant understand why selectors are forgetting Mitchell Johnson???

  • thebatsmansHoldingthebowlersWilley on July 22, 2013, 20:46 GMT

    Actually I just noticed Pattinson is top of the Australia batting averages. Says it all. Never seen such a spineless top 6 - where's the fight? Even when England were getting beaten regularly throughout the 90s we still had Thorpe, Atherton and Stewart scoring tons, often in a losing cause, against Ambrose, Walsh, Waqar, Wasim, Donald, McGrath...but at Lords the Aussie batsmen didn't even show any fight

  • cryptoknight1 on July 22, 2013, 20:46 GMT

    Thats too bad. After all, how much batting can his hip/lower back take?

  • on July 22, 2013, 20:43 GMT

    james pattinson injury continues. I feel sorry for patto. I think its right time to pick chadd sayers. he is the best swing bowler in Australia at the moment. common boof lets pick chadd sayers and alex doolan.

  • Hillaire on July 22, 2013, 20:42 GMT

    Mental and physical disintegration!

  • Big_Maxy_Walker on July 22, 2013, 20:41 GMT

    Jackson Bird time! He should have been picked from the first test. We have struggled to tie one end down and he has a nagging line which I think he would keep bowling under pressure in an ashes series.

  • on July 22, 2013, 20:38 GMT

    could not win with him... can't do worst without him

  • sonicattack on July 22, 2013, 20:36 GMT

    Always sad to see a young player - from any country - ruled out of a series through injury. Clearly he was desperate to perform well and hadn't, as yet, and now won't get the chance.

  • on July 22, 2013, 20:36 GMT

    It will be interesting to see how Steve McGoffin (sp?) bowls at them. Also Monty P!

  • poms_have_short_memories on July 22, 2013, 20:30 GMT

    The curse continues, I just hope that Pattinson and Cummins don't turn out like Bruce Reid.

  • on July 22, 2013, 20:28 GMT

    Shame about Pattinson, he looks a good prospect, talking of good prospects, send for Pat Cummins.

  • on July 22, 2013, 20:28 GMT

    Shame about Pattinson, he looks a good prospect, talking of good prospects, send for Pat Cummins.

  • poms_have_short_memories on July 22, 2013, 20:30 GMT

    The curse continues, I just hope that Pattinson and Cummins don't turn out like Bruce Reid.

  • on July 22, 2013, 20:36 GMT

    It will be interesting to see how Steve McGoffin (sp?) bowls at them. Also Monty P!

  • sonicattack on July 22, 2013, 20:36 GMT

    Always sad to see a young player - from any country - ruled out of a series through injury. Clearly he was desperate to perform well and hadn't, as yet, and now won't get the chance.

  • on July 22, 2013, 20:38 GMT

    could not win with him... can't do worst without him

  • Big_Maxy_Walker on July 22, 2013, 20:41 GMT

    Jackson Bird time! He should have been picked from the first test. We have struggled to tie one end down and he has a nagging line which I think he would keep bowling under pressure in an ashes series.

  • Hillaire on July 22, 2013, 20:42 GMT

    Mental and physical disintegration!

  • on July 22, 2013, 20:43 GMT

    james pattinson injury continues. I feel sorry for patto. I think its right time to pick chadd sayers. he is the best swing bowler in Australia at the moment. common boof lets pick chadd sayers and alex doolan.

  • cryptoknight1 on July 22, 2013, 20:46 GMT

    Thats too bad. After all, how much batting can his hip/lower back take?

  • thebatsmansHoldingthebowlersWilley on July 22, 2013, 20:46 GMT

    Actually I just noticed Pattinson is top of the Australia batting averages. Says it all. Never seen such a spineless top 6 - where's the fight? Even when England were getting beaten regularly throughout the 90s we still had Thorpe, Atherton and Stewart scoring tons, often in a losing cause, against Ambrose, Walsh, Waqar, Wasim, Donald, McGrath...but at Lords the Aussie batsmen didn't even show any fight