'We will bring out something that will incentivise Test players'
The BCCI's new president, Anurag Thakur, talks about reforming the board, Test cricket in the IPL era, the fan experience in India, and more
I never thought about positions. All I wanted in life was to play for the country. When that dream ended - especially after I did well in junior cricket, played against England Under-19s, and in the Ranji trophy - I was totally disconnected from the game. Since my re-entry into cricket as the president of the Himachal Pradesh Cricket Association, I have given my 100%. Posts never mattered to me. I was offered the position of [BCCI] vice-president way back in 2001, which I did not accept because I wanted to do something for Himachal cricket. Once I felt Himachal could thrive and survive on its own, only then did I switch over to BCCI positions.
Destiny plays its role. Many people in the BCCI know that things could have happened a year and a half back but, as I said, it was never the position that mattered to me. At the time we thought Mr Dalmiya was the best person, and then Mr Manohar. But then others decided that I should take over and run the board.
Life throws us a challenge every day, so we have to accept that [and think] how do we convert this into an opportunity. From my playing days I have believed hard work and sincerity works. Despite limited means in Himachal, what we [in the state association] delivered in the first five years was much more than could be expected.
I have highest respect for the judiciary. But at times you need to sit back and look at the judgement also. What has Maharashtra gained from that? Or lost? I am nobody to comment, let people judge it.
"The ICC is looking at BCCI for some kind of leadership, to take cricket to the next level. So the ICC is incomplete without the BCCI"
I think there are many important issues in this country that are pending for the last several years. You take the Nirbhaya case, for instance, there has been a lot of hue and cry but justice has still not been delivered. Many issues about things like government formation etc are yet to be decided. So it depends what is important for the country and what isn't.
That is for the court to decide, I am nobody to. What I am trying to say is, there are many important things in society and the court takes a call from time to time.
I will not comment on that since the matter is sub judice.
He did that after he quit the position of BCCI president, not before.
I think most of us were on the same page when we discussed that internally. He is no more BCCI president and he understands, as ICC chief, how the game will suffer, how the ICC and BCCI will suffer, if the recommendations are implemented in their totality. He has been very open, and it's nice of him to have expressed his point of view.
It's not about being on the same page or not. He has been president of the BCCI and he has tried to, during his term, bring in reforms. After his experience of doing that, and being a lawyer himself, it was nice of him to express his point.
You have to look at cricket from a global perspective. The ICC is also looking at the BCCI for some kind of leadership, to take cricket to the next level. So the ICC is incomplete without the BCCI.
I was very happy working with him. We had a very good equation, which continues even today. Every decision we took in the last nine months, or even before with Mr Dalmiya, we were on the same page. There were hardly one or two areas where we had a difference of opinion.
He is a friend and was a colleague, now he is ICC chairman, and I would love to work with him in any position he takes, because ultimately you have to serve the game of cricket wherever you are: ICC or BCCI.
Let the time come, we will let you know what our position is.
The house authorised the president and secretary to negotiate and discuss the matter with the ICC.
No.
No, not really. The power has been given to the president and secretary.
Yes. It is just at the discussion stage.
We started the reformation process well before the recommendations came in. So you can't say what reforms have [already] been put in place, we will go through the recommendations again and do that [again]. Many practical things that are required to be a part of the system, that has been done. Every institution goes through reform from time to time. Wherever we find reform practical and in the interest of cricket, we will do that.
I have never met him in my life.
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Is that as per law? The established law of the land will work.
"Three areas concern me. One, conditions such as the dew factor. Second, in tier-two cities can we expect crowds to come every day with play ending after 11pm? Three, is this the only way to encourage Test cricket?"On day-night Test cricket in India
Again, I don't want to go into the recommendations. If you look at the other side of the DDCA story, in a short space of time they hosted two IPL knockout matches, World T20 matches, and an India-South Africa Test. You can't see only one side of the story.
We have a federal structure in India. The states have independent powers. From time to time, if any state association has any problems, they can learn.
I understand what you are saying, but many times things were beyond our control. During the IPL, for instance, many people had bought tickets for matches in Mumbai, Pune or Nagpur, but what happened - was it in my hands? The courts jumped in and passed an order. Similarly, in other associations a lot of politics has been brought in. In Himachal itself, a clothing exhibition from Pakistan was held but the [Pakistan] team wasn't allowed to play. So a Pakistani exhibition can go on but the match can't be held. It's a large country, you have to face these situations and live with it.
The first thing I said on taking over as president is that we want to enhance the fan experience. Whether it is to have a separate area for old or specially abled people, 10% tickets to students especially during Tests, clean stadiums and green stadiums - I have earmarked Rs 100 crore (US$ 14.8m approximately) for green stadiums.
We will do whatever is required for the fan. For example, seat numbering. Anyone can say, what is the big deal in this? But for someone who buys a ticket and goes to the ground and doesn't find his seat, it is a big deal. This may look small, but I have said, without seat numbers associations won't get games.
If I am somewhere for cricket, then that is my focus. Hardly 1-2% of my time will be dedicated to political activity then.
The BCCI represents India, we form a team for India. So whatever decision we take, it is in the interest of the country. As a BJP MP, I will think along the same lines. As I've said about this matter, for a multilateral tournament we have never said no [to Pakistan's participation]. For a bilateral series, though, if there is any commitment, you have to look at the situation between the two countries. If both the governments agree only then can we play, because there are security and diplomatic reasons involved.
I think we have not invested enough in research and development. For example, if you look at our National Cricket Academy (NCA), we still look at Australia for any new technology or new systems that they have put in place. The BCCI has to do that [research and development] for Indian cricket, and that can further help world cricket. I think we can't be followers, we have to become leaders in that direction. We have appointed professionals in various jobs. I think the next challenge is to bring in more efficiency at the state level.
You sell what is liked by your viewer. If the fan wants to see T20s and ODIs, you have to play those formats. But at the same time you have to put in efforts to generate interest in Test cricket.
Of course. I have already put systems in place to give me suggestions on how to incentivise Test players. Like Cheteshwar Pujara isn't picked by a [IPL] franchise, how do we incentivise those good-quality players?
"I agree one or two mistakes may have been made in the past, but then there are shortcomings in every organisation. We can't go for an overhaul in everything. Is there an overhaul of the judiciary or the bureaucracy? No"
Within a month or so we will be able to bring out something that will incentivise the Test players.
I have my doubts. Three areas concern me. One, the conditions such as Indian pitches and the dew factor. Second, in tier-two cities how can we expect crowds to come every day with play ending after 11pm five days in a row? Three, is this the only way to encourage Test cricket or could there be some other way? In the last few years, perhaps through the influence of T20 and ODI cricket, the attitude [of players in Tests] has changed and we are getting more results. How are countries to be incentivised to win more games? But globally, day-night Test cricket is being tried, so we can't sit back and say we won't.
Depends on the Duleep Trophy. If the feedback from there is good, then we will take a call.
I think you need to expose the India A and Under-19 teams to the conditions where the national team will be playing the following year. For example, the Indian team will be playing in England in 2018, so the India A and Under-19 teams must travel to England in 2017, so the players who are your bench strength get enough exposure to play in those conditions. Since becoming secretary, I have introduced that concept. Over the last 15 months, India A and Under-19 teams have played a fair bit overseas.
I am glad that both Ravi Shastri [as India team director] and Rahul Dravid accepted the offer and came forward to take on these roles. It is important because after the introduction of the IPL, many ex-players have become coaches [for the franchises] but they don't see working with a national side as a lucrative option since it is a time-consuming and challenging option. So that's a new challenge we are facing.
We are waiting for the results of the tests the ICC is conducting at MIT. Once they come out with a report, we will take a call. I personally feel that if the technology isn't 100% - after spending thousands of dollars per match, you still aren't sure - then why introduce it?
I think it is for the selectors to decide who will lead the team. None of us told Dhoni to retire when he did from Test cricket.
I think it is not up to you and me to decide, it is up to the selectors. We have given them the responsibility, they are being paid for this job. They have taken the right decisions in the past and they will do justice on this one too.
I personally supported that when it was discussed at the ICC meetings. And I insisted that if there is only a single nomination, allow that person to take over as ICC chairman from that day only, otherwise for 15-20 days [more, while the election process played out] the BCCI representative would have been the ICC chairman.
I simply said let the situation [play out], the power has been given to president and secretary. As to whether we agree or disagree, Mr Manohar also hadn't taken a decision at that time, so how do you say we disagree? (laughs)
Every administrator who works with responsibility leaves something behind. Look at the past presidents, they have all given something to the game. We learn from their experiences and we take decisions in the best interests of the game. There is a lot of criticism of Mr Srinivasan but he should also get due credit for the work he did.
I want to see the Indian team as No. 1 in all formats. We [the BCCI] want to be more transparent, accountable and bring in more professionalism. Apart from that, we want to look at green initiatives, support deaf and dumb cricket etc. There will be many reforms that will change the people's perception of the BCCI.
Gaurav Kalra is a senior editor at ESPNcricinfo. @gauravkalra75