Australia news July 21, 2013

Sacking 'totally unfair', says Arthur

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Mickey Arthur has claimed he had no choice but to take legal action against Cricket Australia over the "totally unfair basis" for his sacking. Arthur has also said he was given a positive appraisal by Cricket Australia before the Ashes tour and that his reputation had suffered extensive damage after his axing, which would make it hard for him to find another job.

Arthur has been in South Africa since his sacking and on Sunday arrived in Perth, where he delivered a statement to the media. Arthur reiterated that he was not responsible for last week's leaking of details of his legal claim against Cricket Australia, in which a rift between Michael Clarke and Shane Watson was detailed. But he homed in on the CA chief executive James Sutherland's admission that Arthur had been made a "scapegoat" as the key to his case.

"James Sutherland himself said that, to an extent, I had been made, I quote, 'a scapegoat'," Arthur said. "I find that a totally unfair basis to end my career. The damage to my reputation and career has been immense, which means the chances of me getting a senior job are that much less. I was truly shocked and devastated by my dismissal. I had received a positive appraisal on all my key performance indicators just prior to departing for the Ashes tour.

"I am told that David Warner's conduct was 'the last straw' for the board. I received no hearing at all over that issue, and no one was doing more to improve discipline in the young Australian team than I was. After my dismissal, I received nothing in writing from Cricket Australia, no contact, and no payment at all, not even of my basic leave pay, until I was forced to bring in lawyers to assist in the process. I had tried on a number of occasions to make direct contact at a very senior level of Cricket Australia, for days there was just no response.

"I thought, perhaps naively, that, under all the circumstances of my dismissal, that Cricket Australia would be willing to have sensible and good faith talks in private. Sadly that hasn't happened. And here we are today. I never wanted to launch legal action but Cricket Australia simply left me no option."

Arthur said the handling of David Warner's punch at Joe Root in a Birmingham bar during the Champions Trophy had been the catalyst for his axing, despite his attempts to instil discipline in the developing squad.

Responding to Arthur, CA released the following statement: "Cricket Australia stands by its earlier statements on this matter and disputes a number of claims made by Mickey Arthur today. We will not be articulating these disputes publicly except to say that we are confident in our legal position, are comfortable with the level of support provided to Mickey and look forward to resolving this matter in an appropriate manner."

Arthur and CA will hold conciliation talks this week in Sydney.

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  • CricketChat on July 21, 2013, 14:35 GMT

    Arthur may have a point, not that it is going to help him now. If results are the sole criteria for job safety, then no Aussie coach will feel safe for the next few years. It is a widely known fact that Aus coaches looked better than they actually were due the presence of once in a generation type of cricketers in Ponting, Hayden, Warne, McGrath, Lee, Gilchrist and many other top cricketers in the same team. With their retirement, Aus team has come down to the ranks again. This is a natural occurrence.

  • CapitalMarkets on July 24, 2013, 10:09 GMT

    I agree that, if Arthur was not subjected to a disciplinary process, it is constructive dismissal ... or the equivalent in Australian law. However, Arthur has been found seriously wanting as a man manager. Failing to instil a disciplined and professional approach into younger players is almost as serious as losing the confidience of the senior players. Professional sportsmen have to learn to "handle triumph and disaster and treat those two imposters just the same" (according to Rudyard Kipling) without recriminations or complacency. Treating twenty and thirty something men as adults is imperative and that means instilling an understanding of expectations. There is no need to insist on writing things down (as in the "homework incident"), as long as you instil the desire to improve and the knowledge of where improvement is required. There is little point in playing cricket professionally if this is not a life-enriching experience and the head coach has the responsibility to ensure it is.

  • on July 23, 2013, 9:38 GMT

    Forget this twitt the problem is with cricket Australia's admin and control, it stems down to junior cricket especially in QLD where I have first hand experience for 9 years.. then it jumps forward into rep cricket where Fathers belong to Area groups ie. Cricket Gold Coast for an example, and it is rife through all areas and levels (not just Junior Cricket) it makes me sick when I see phenomenal talent passed over just to get the son of a president or secretary' of a certain club or zone into a representative position, at the expense of good honest hi potential players. I am disgusted at the ineptitude displayed by this team, admin and management. Take the whole bunch to a showing of the videos of their pathetic performances and objectively review their individual performance,actions and results. I played 1st grade cricket @19 I am now 72 and I have had cricket, despite the fact that I am passionate about. I challenge anyone from Cricket Australia to contact me. They won't

  • RichardG on July 22, 2013, 13:36 GMT

    wellrounded87: "I'd say they're all exceptional players the rest of the team is weak but any other country (except maybe SA with the bowlers) would love to have one those four in their side."

    Despite being an England fan, I've still been a fan for Siddle for a long, long time. Quite probably the most under-rated bowler in world cricket. Harris - when fit - is a genuinely good bowler. But I'm still to see Pattinson as a bowler who is effective other than when everything is going for him. In this respect, he seems like Mitchell Johnson (or from an English perspective, Steve Harmison). I don't think he'd get in this England team, or the Pakistan one, and I think in the course of time, Mitchell Starc will be seen as the third seamer to add to your list of Australian assets.

    Bowling isn't the problem, though. Australia have one batsman who would get in the New Zealand team. And he has a bad back and, at 32, has stated how he doesn't intend to play on until his late-30s. Worrying times.

  • 2.14istherunrate on July 22, 2013, 11:30 GMT

    Poor old Mickey Arthur. He does not understand the real situation. seriously he should be celebrating with extravagant champagne from one end of South Africa to the next. Why? Because he been so let off the hook. The poison chalice of Aussie coach has been taken away before the mortal draught hit his lips and he has been saved from becoming the biggest fall guy in recent cricket history. He should grateful. He should have beens een rapidly wishing Lehmannn good luck before hustling to the airport and a waiting plane out the creek. One day he will realise he should be paying them not vice versa.. Alas poor Darren, not Mickey.

  • vsroc on July 22, 2013, 10:41 GMT

    Posted by Venkat Sraman on (July 22,2013) Australian coach Micky Arthur of South Africa is not happy about his sacking from the the post of coach of Australian cricket team.Due to his sacking on an unfair basis,Arthur has no other choice except to take legal action against CA.However, CA stands by its previous statements and disputes a number of claims made by Arthur in this regard. CA is confident in their legal status since it will not be articulating these disputes.However,law will take its own course of action.

  • robheinen on July 22, 2013, 9:46 GMT

    ' I had received a positive appraisal on all my key performance indicators just prior to departing for the Ashes tour' If this is so, then he'll probably have them in writing, so why worry? Then CA has made an procedural fool of itself and there's no damage done, is there?

  • ooper_cut on July 22, 2013, 9:26 GMT

    India went through this phase even with the great trio of batsmen and the duo of bowlers, now Australia is going thru this phase during its rebuilding time. The time will pass and Oz will be a great team once again. Well, England have been like for a very very long time not too long ago.

  • nasimmushtaque on July 22, 2013, 8:24 GMT

    Mr. Arthur u should been sacked immediately after the disaster tour of India, i dont feel shame or sorry to say that you are no good at all, u better go and try to coach a district or club level team

  • AidanFX on July 22, 2013, 7:33 GMT

    Whether he was the right coach or not - I think he has a point and a case. As far as I know the usual protocol for sacking a coach of a professional sport always involves a payout of the contract, It seems to me he did try to work on those off field issues. Either way, he was made a scapegoat. Again Lehman might turn out to be a better coach but Australia's problems run deeper than Aurthur. For a man with a high reputation he was treated like rubbish and as an Australian I am a bit embarrassed.

  • CricketChat on July 21, 2013, 14:35 GMT

    Arthur may have a point, not that it is going to help him now. If results are the sole criteria for job safety, then no Aussie coach will feel safe for the next few years. It is a widely known fact that Aus coaches looked better than they actually were due the presence of once in a generation type of cricketers in Ponting, Hayden, Warne, McGrath, Lee, Gilchrist and many other top cricketers in the same team. With their retirement, Aus team has come down to the ranks again. This is a natural occurrence.

  • CapitalMarkets on July 24, 2013, 10:09 GMT

    I agree that, if Arthur was not subjected to a disciplinary process, it is constructive dismissal ... or the equivalent in Australian law. However, Arthur has been found seriously wanting as a man manager. Failing to instil a disciplined and professional approach into younger players is almost as serious as losing the confidience of the senior players. Professional sportsmen have to learn to "handle triumph and disaster and treat those two imposters just the same" (according to Rudyard Kipling) without recriminations or complacency. Treating twenty and thirty something men as adults is imperative and that means instilling an understanding of expectations. There is no need to insist on writing things down (as in the "homework incident"), as long as you instil the desire to improve and the knowledge of where improvement is required. There is little point in playing cricket professionally if this is not a life-enriching experience and the head coach has the responsibility to ensure it is.

  • on July 23, 2013, 9:38 GMT

    Forget this twitt the problem is with cricket Australia's admin and control, it stems down to junior cricket especially in QLD where I have first hand experience for 9 years.. then it jumps forward into rep cricket where Fathers belong to Area groups ie. Cricket Gold Coast for an example, and it is rife through all areas and levels (not just Junior Cricket) it makes me sick when I see phenomenal talent passed over just to get the son of a president or secretary' of a certain club or zone into a representative position, at the expense of good honest hi potential players. I am disgusted at the ineptitude displayed by this team, admin and management. Take the whole bunch to a showing of the videos of their pathetic performances and objectively review their individual performance,actions and results. I played 1st grade cricket @19 I am now 72 and I have had cricket, despite the fact that I am passionate about. I challenge anyone from Cricket Australia to contact me. They won't

  • RichardG on July 22, 2013, 13:36 GMT

    wellrounded87: "I'd say they're all exceptional players the rest of the team is weak but any other country (except maybe SA with the bowlers) would love to have one those four in their side."

    Despite being an England fan, I've still been a fan for Siddle for a long, long time. Quite probably the most under-rated bowler in world cricket. Harris - when fit - is a genuinely good bowler. But I'm still to see Pattinson as a bowler who is effective other than when everything is going for him. In this respect, he seems like Mitchell Johnson (or from an English perspective, Steve Harmison). I don't think he'd get in this England team, or the Pakistan one, and I think in the course of time, Mitchell Starc will be seen as the third seamer to add to your list of Australian assets.

    Bowling isn't the problem, though. Australia have one batsman who would get in the New Zealand team. And he has a bad back and, at 32, has stated how he doesn't intend to play on until his late-30s. Worrying times.

  • 2.14istherunrate on July 22, 2013, 11:30 GMT

    Poor old Mickey Arthur. He does not understand the real situation. seriously he should be celebrating with extravagant champagne from one end of South Africa to the next. Why? Because he been so let off the hook. The poison chalice of Aussie coach has been taken away before the mortal draught hit his lips and he has been saved from becoming the biggest fall guy in recent cricket history. He should grateful. He should have beens een rapidly wishing Lehmannn good luck before hustling to the airport and a waiting plane out the creek. One day he will realise he should be paying them not vice versa.. Alas poor Darren, not Mickey.

  • vsroc on July 22, 2013, 10:41 GMT

    Posted by Venkat Sraman on (July 22,2013) Australian coach Micky Arthur of South Africa is not happy about his sacking from the the post of coach of Australian cricket team.Due to his sacking on an unfair basis,Arthur has no other choice except to take legal action against CA.However, CA stands by its previous statements and disputes a number of claims made by Arthur in this regard. CA is confident in their legal status since it will not be articulating these disputes.However,law will take its own course of action.

  • robheinen on July 22, 2013, 9:46 GMT

    ' I had received a positive appraisal on all my key performance indicators just prior to departing for the Ashes tour' If this is so, then he'll probably have them in writing, so why worry? Then CA has made an procedural fool of itself and there's no damage done, is there?

  • ooper_cut on July 22, 2013, 9:26 GMT

    India went through this phase even with the great trio of batsmen and the duo of bowlers, now Australia is going thru this phase during its rebuilding time. The time will pass and Oz will be a great team once again. Well, England have been like for a very very long time not too long ago.

  • nasimmushtaque on July 22, 2013, 8:24 GMT

    Mr. Arthur u should been sacked immediately after the disaster tour of India, i dont feel shame or sorry to say that you are no good at all, u better go and try to coach a district or club level team

  • AidanFX on July 22, 2013, 7:33 GMT

    Whether he was the right coach or not - I think he has a point and a case. As far as I know the usual protocol for sacking a coach of a professional sport always involves a payout of the contract, It seems to me he did try to work on those off field issues. Either way, he was made a scapegoat. Again Lehman might turn out to be a better coach but Australia's problems run deeper than Aurthur. For a man with a high reputation he was treated like rubbish and as an Australian I am a bit embarrassed.

  • on July 22, 2013, 6:54 GMT

    Australians are just showcasing their so called professional legacy. Mr. Greg Chapell did it with India and now Mr. Arthur is at the receiving end. Instead they should have kicked the back of Warner , Watson , and non performers. The best team could have been Wade , Clarke , Usman Khwaja , George Bailey , Adam Voges , Hodge, Lyon , Siddle , Harris , Jonson , Cummins

  • devlsmurf on July 22, 2013, 5:29 GMT

    @funkybluesman - It seems you have no understanding of professional sports. IF Arthur had been dismissed because of sporting reasons, he would have been dismissed after the India tour, not 2 weeks prior to the ashes, when the team is already in England.

    As he himself noted, he had good appraisals prior to departing to England, where CA seemed satisfied with him, and then after what happened with Warner, the whole situation changed and he was dismissed without any pretext. Now I don't know what job you have, but it is rather normal that if you are to be dismissed, there is a formal process that has to be followed when firing someone. A process that CA has obviously not followed if all facts are to be believed.

    It's ok to not like Arthur, and even be happy that he's not the coach anymore, but fair call, if you got sacked without warning, and then told to "get over it", would you?

  • wellrounded87 on July 22, 2013, 2:51 GMT

    @Balaji Kumar I agree with the sentiment that Australia having an awesome team is a thing of the past. But the rest of your comment is ridiculous.

    Who exactly is a have been? Clarke is in a bit of a slump at the moment but it wasn't too long ago he scored 4 double centuries in a calender year. Siddle is still taking wickets. Harris is more of a could have been than a have been though he is still killing it.

    Maybe Haddin, but i wouldn't see he's ever "been" anything other than a sub par replacement for Gilchrist.

    The rest of the side are never was's (rogers) never will's (Watson, Hughes) or not yets (Pattinson, Agar, Starc).

    As for 'no decent players since Hussey retired' Right so Clarke, Pattinson, Siddle, Harris aren't decent players? I'd say they're all exceptional players the rest of the team is weak but any other country (except maybe SA with the bowlers) would love to have one those four in their side.

  • Kak-mal_Khan on July 22, 2013, 1:52 GMT

    I think Australia knew that this tour to England was going to be beyond their current players capabilities. The changing of coach with a former Australia player was a tactical move just to gee up the players so that they could trust advise with someone familiar with Ashes cricket. Also did not help Mickey Arthur's cause with poor showing during the Champions Trophy with zero wins out of 3, Warner'gate' was just icing on the cake for Arthur's demise. I'm sure there is IPL stint available out there for Arthur until another international assignment beckons, enjoy your time with family mate!

  • funkybluesman on July 22, 2013, 1:27 GMT

    Arthur really needs to get over it. As a coach, you are the first in line for a sacking when the team isn't performing. It's the way the world over in all professional sports. With contracts and things such sackings may well require payouts, and if CA has reneged on them, then taking legal action to get his required payouts is reasonable, but crying about the "unfair" nature of his dismissal is just ridiculous. It just shows he has no understanding of modern professional sports and the coaches place in it!

  • on July 21, 2013, 22:49 GMT

    arthur should get a payout as per his contract, but why is he back in WA we dont want him here....

  • disco_bob on July 21, 2013, 21:55 GMT

    Surely more damage would have been done to Arthur's reputation had he remained in charge of this hapless squad. If CA argue along these lines they may be able to mitigate the payout. Indeed if the rest of the series continues as it has begun, we could see CA demanding a payout from Arthur for saving his reputation from complete meltdown.

  • Newlandsfaithful on July 21, 2013, 20:28 GMT

    Arthur never struck me as the greatest coach, all the same, I think Cricket Australia dealt with this matter even worse than the woeful manner that their team is dealing with England. The serious disciple problems in the team was a time for the boardroom to address the issue with intelligence, not scapegoats. As it is, I don't think Australia has resolved anything and the problems will continue to haunt them. I seriously doubt Lehmann will have any answers for this team.

  • tokoloshe on July 21, 2013, 19:40 GMT

    I don't think Mickey Arthur was the right coach for SA nor for OZ but lets get something straight... it was not homework that he asked players to do. It was not the fact that they didn't do the task but the defiance in the team. He had to take a stance. I am just thankful hes not coaching SA anymore. Good luck to him...

  • whatawicket on July 21, 2013, 19:38 GMT

    markdal if you have a contract and get sacked then you have every right to take your employer to court to get whats due to you. the contract works both ways

  • whatawicket on July 21, 2013, 19:26 GMT

    in the UK the PL managers merry go round sackings you can in most cases blame team performances that costs the manager his job. its the 1st time i have heard the conduct of a player cost him his job. if that is the case then it stinks, Warner should be disgusted with himself.

  • on July 21, 2013, 19:11 GMT

    Cricket Australia have the right to change the coach. All they have to do is to pay Mickey Arthur as per the clause in his contract. If all he gets is a months pay then so be it.

    Not fair to blame him for the trouble in the team. Australia look woeful at the moment. I doubt they will be able to win a single test in this series.

  • on July 21, 2013, 19:10 GMT

    @Daniel Ahmed: Please put the first sentence of your line in the past tense my friend. Australia no longer have an awesome team. They are a bunch of 'have beens'. Arthur was never the issue to begin with. It's just that, the Aussies didn't have any decent players after Mike Hussey's retirement. Slowly but surely, Australia will collapse further in the rankings if they keep playing like this in test cricket. Get rid of the Big Bash League and Australia could be saved from further embarrassment.

  • Greatest_Game on July 21, 2013, 15:38 GMT

    CA wild fold like a wet cloth. This will cost them millions. That hurts, and as always, another scapegoat will be required. Someone's head will roll. I reckon Sutherland should get himself a lawyer, and carefully examine the terms of his contract!

  • IntegralCoach on July 21, 2013, 15:21 GMT

    Mickey needs to go hard here, CA's ethics are questionable. Boof has not proved to be the messiah he was touted to be, no doubt Mickey would have been better than this rubbish.

  • on July 21, 2013, 15:20 GMT

    Coach was not issue at all . Honesty is that we don't have batsman except Clarke and Watson , later is limited over as we all know. So what Lehman can do different than arthur except sitting at dressing room

  • Guruprasad.S on July 21, 2013, 15:14 GMT

    Mickey Arthur might not have made a difference to Australia's fortunes going into the Ashes. The fact is that this Australian test team is very poor on skills, especially batting skills, and also in the mental strength aspect. Other than Clarke, Siddle and Haddin, there is no one in the test team who applies himself and puts up a fight. However, the manner of Arthur's sacking by CA is not acceptable. Worse still is the fact that CA remains out of contact for Arthur. Australian cricket has many thoughtful ex-players who should be involved. Instead, they are struck with James Sutherland who appears rather insipid. It is now time to go back to a rigourous approach adopted by Bob Simpson as coach.

  • on July 21, 2013, 15:13 GMT

    Arthur was making complex and tough for team, but look at Lehman how simple he is and making easier for team that u go and play your natural is in it??. That's what they doing and output are simple and clear as well

  • gsingh7 on July 21, 2013, 15:04 GMT

    totally with micky on this one. if u hire a coach and it turns out that talent pool have dried up from the country , then u cant sack coach just for lack of basic skills by aussie batsmen and bowlers. they lost 5 in a row with 4 wickets away from 6th loss.what have new coach done other then seeing his team getting beat comprehensively.ca must pay micky full amount,either in court or outside.bangladesh wont just keep hiring new managers for sake of it. u need better talent which have not been coming up for australia,

  • on July 21, 2013, 14:48 GMT

    I agree but in general Australia has an awesome cricket team and silly to see them treated like kids. Doing homework is a bit too much, do you not agree! Saying all that Arthur sacking is not justified and its really unfair; CA and higher officials could have resolve through discussions. On a different note, why not coach Bangladesh, seriously! Bangladesh players lacks disciple, physical fitness and most importantly mental toughness, a person like Arthur may work wonder for Bangladesh cricket. Anyhow Best of luck.

  • Jaffa79 on July 21, 2013, 13:56 GMT

    James Sutherland is the person in Australian cricket that should be held to task. He has made countless poor decisions and harsh statements and saying Arthur is a scapegoat!! He is not the most intelligent of chaps is he? Enjoy the nest egg coming your way Mickey!

  • bobbo2 on July 21, 2013, 13:48 GMT

    Well given the way the Aussies are playing, it seems the coach was not the issue

  • kangaroussy on July 21, 2013, 13:12 GMT

    Im no lawyer, but I'm guessing that calling Arthur a scapegoat will end up being a very expensive mistake.

  • din7 on July 21, 2013, 12:59 GMT

    this is indeed the best decision CA take....arthur has brought aussies to his level...yes there arent good test batsmen available but they playin even below their level...though they will lose this ashes badly..it will take time for lehmann to bring some confidence to the team!

  • on July 21, 2013, 12:31 GMT

    I don't think you get it, Markdal. Arthur wasn't axed because of results. He is taking legal action because of the unprofessional manner in which his dismissal was handled. Coaching is a result-based career like pretty much every other career. If your employer gives you a good report at an evaluation then dismisses you shortly after without any warning, you have recourse to take legal action whether you are a cricket coach or a number puncher in a finance company.

  • Markdal on July 21, 2013, 11:08 GMT

    As a sports lover in general, I hope that Arthur's case comes to nothing. Coaching is a result-based career, regardless of the sport, and if he is successful with his claim, in spite of his mediocre record, then surely every coach in every sport will be suing their respective former employers.

  • TopC on July 21, 2013, 10:47 GMT

    One has to ask the question: "Why wasn't David Warner, rather than Mickey Arthur, dismissed by Cricket Australia?" No wonder Australia are getting flogged in the Ashes series, despite the efforts of saviour DL.

  • TopC on July 21, 2013, 10:47 GMT

    One has to ask the question: "Why wasn't David Warner, rather than Mickey Arthur, dismissed by Cricket Australia?" No wonder Australia are getting flogged in the Ashes series, despite the efforts of saviour DL.

  • Markdal on July 21, 2013, 11:08 GMT

    As a sports lover in general, I hope that Arthur's case comes to nothing. Coaching is a result-based career, regardless of the sport, and if he is successful with his claim, in spite of his mediocre record, then surely every coach in every sport will be suing their respective former employers.

  • on July 21, 2013, 12:31 GMT

    I don't think you get it, Markdal. Arthur wasn't axed because of results. He is taking legal action because of the unprofessional manner in which his dismissal was handled. Coaching is a result-based career like pretty much every other career. If your employer gives you a good report at an evaluation then dismisses you shortly after without any warning, you have recourse to take legal action whether you are a cricket coach or a number puncher in a finance company.

  • din7 on July 21, 2013, 12:59 GMT

    this is indeed the best decision CA take....arthur has brought aussies to his level...yes there arent good test batsmen available but they playin even below their level...though they will lose this ashes badly..it will take time for lehmann to bring some confidence to the team!

  • kangaroussy on July 21, 2013, 13:12 GMT

    Im no lawyer, but I'm guessing that calling Arthur a scapegoat will end up being a very expensive mistake.

  • bobbo2 on July 21, 2013, 13:48 GMT

    Well given the way the Aussies are playing, it seems the coach was not the issue

  • Jaffa79 on July 21, 2013, 13:56 GMT

    James Sutherland is the person in Australian cricket that should be held to task. He has made countless poor decisions and harsh statements and saying Arthur is a scapegoat!! He is not the most intelligent of chaps is he? Enjoy the nest egg coming your way Mickey!

  • on July 21, 2013, 14:48 GMT

    I agree but in general Australia has an awesome cricket team and silly to see them treated like kids. Doing homework is a bit too much, do you not agree! Saying all that Arthur sacking is not justified and its really unfair; CA and higher officials could have resolve through discussions. On a different note, why not coach Bangladesh, seriously! Bangladesh players lacks disciple, physical fitness and most importantly mental toughness, a person like Arthur may work wonder for Bangladesh cricket. Anyhow Best of luck.

  • gsingh7 on July 21, 2013, 15:04 GMT

    totally with micky on this one. if u hire a coach and it turns out that talent pool have dried up from the country , then u cant sack coach just for lack of basic skills by aussie batsmen and bowlers. they lost 5 in a row with 4 wickets away from 6th loss.what have new coach done other then seeing his team getting beat comprehensively.ca must pay micky full amount,either in court or outside.bangladesh wont just keep hiring new managers for sake of it. u need better talent which have not been coming up for australia,

  • on July 21, 2013, 15:13 GMT

    Arthur was making complex and tough for team, but look at Lehman how simple he is and making easier for team that u go and play your natural is in it??. That's what they doing and output are simple and clear as well