Australia news January 15, 2013

Beer's case bolstered by Maxwell's struggles

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Should Glenn Maxwell go to India on next month's tour it will only be as Australia's third-choice spinner, with Michael Beer heavily favoured to be named the second spinner behind Nathan Lyon, for the four-Test series.

Earlier this summer, Maxwell was chosen ahead of Beer as the lone spinner in the Australia A team that faced the South Africans at the SCG, and was later 12th man for the Test on the same ground. But his struggles for wickets against Sri Lanka's batsmen have made it clear that the Victorian allrounder is still well short of international standard as a bowler.

Known for his customary brio in interviews and the dressing room, Maxwell has admitted that so far, the Sri Lankans have had much the better of him. In this his comments recalled Stuart MacGill when he was rendered bereft by India's batsmen during the 2003-04 summer. Giving away 50.78 runs per wicket during the series, MacGill remarked that it wasn't so much that the visitors could read what he was bowling, more that they didn't care.

"Their (Sri Lanka's) feet are a lot crisper, they go forward and back a lot easier and they seem to have a lot better idea on where they can hit and where they can score," Maxwell said. "They've been excellent in the few games I've played against them. It's been tough. I played the Chairman XI's game [in Canberra] and they played me really well and hit me to wherever they wanted.

"I've been coming on when they've been consolidating their partnership or there wasn't a whole lot of pressure. The other night they were 30 runs away from winning. Any time when you come on as a spin bowler on a seaming wicket it's not a good time to come on, especially if we've only got 170 on the board and that was the batters' fault. I've got to keep hanging in there."

Six matches into his ODI career, Maxwell remains wicketless, and scores of five and eight in the first two matches against Sri Lanka did not inspire a great deal of confidence with the bat either. Beer meanwhile has been bowling solidly as ever for the Perth Scorchers in the BBL, digging the ball into the pitch and changing his pace in a manner reminiscent of the best method for taking wickets in India.

Beer's summer has not always appeared likely to end with a spot on Australia's next Test tour. At the start of the summer the national selector John Inverarity indicated that another left-armer, Jon Holland, was the man next in line behind Lyon. Holland was then invalided out of the season with a serious shoulder injury, but Maxwell was preferred for Australia A. Before that match, Inverarity spoke of Beer in measured and not altogether promising tones.

"Michael is well regarded and is a good, steady spinner," Inverarity had said. "We feel that he's a known quantity, we don't need to find out a lot more. And he'll be bowling in the Shield game [for Western Australia v Victoria]. It's an ideal opportunity for Glenn Maxwell. You're the spinner, you get on with it, and see how he responds to that."

Now that Maxwell has admitted this spin-bowling business is not easy, Beer's known quantity will be more reassuring for Inverarity and his panel.

Daniel Brettig is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo. He tweets here

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  • trex1981 on January 15, 2013, 23:46 GMT

    Zampa is more of a long term prospect, best not to throw him in at the deep end before he's ready. Maxwell is not a world-class spinner, he lacks variety and batsmen can get settled with his bowling too easily (as he found out against Sri Lanka). The Aussies should be looking at a left-arm spinner for India, and Beer is a reasonable choice, given that he has one of the better first-class records for a spinner in Australia at the moment. I'd like to see O'Keefe given a shot as well, as he's been around the first class level for a while (though hasn't played as many matches as Beer), has a FC bowling average of 29, and he can bat a bit.

  • blink182alex on January 15, 2013, 18:09 GMT

    Beer is an obvious selection for India for me. He bowled well in the Windies when he played his last test match. Maxwell, Smith and Doherty shouldn't be anywhere near the test squad as a spin bowling option, we saw with India v England tests that Panesar came in and was the difference, Beer isn't as good as Monty but could still do a decent job similar to Ohja. Also, i don't see any reason why Lyon, Beer and O'Keefe all can't be in the test squad for India, England took Swann, Panesar and Tredwell and had 19 players in their squad.

    My Squad: Cowan, Warner, Hughes, Clarke, Watson, Khawaja, Bailey, D.Hussey, Wade, Haddin, Lyon, O'Keefe, Beer, Siddle, Starc, Bird, Johnson, Pattinson, Harris or Cutting

  • Meety on January 18, 2013, 1:43 GMT

    @Moppa on (January 16 2013, 10:20 AM GMT) - I think the NSP are lured by Maxwell's batting stats first, then his bowling stats. Batting-wise he does not look like a Test batsmen, but he scores consistantly (& quickly). Add to bowling that seems to wink out wickets in the Shield ( no easy feat), they wonder whether he could replicate at Test level. I am a bit hot & cold on him. At one point I thought he might be a specialist batsmen that bowls a bit of useful spin, now I am not sure.

  • on January 17, 2013, 4:36 GMT

    I reckon Hauritz needs to be tossed something, hes a great spin bowler with expierence that just needs confidence.

  • Chris_P on January 16, 2013, 21:52 GMT

    @James_Murphy. Fair comment, but when they have gone head to head at the SCG, SOK has finished clearly the better bowler, again due to his experience on these type of tracks. But will we face Perth type pitches in India or SCG types of pitches? That said, Beer has shown enough to suggest he can improve, & from what I have seen in shield games at the SCG, Maxwell is a long, long way behind both these bowlers. He isn't even a front line spinner. Shaun Marsh? His form is awful in first class (dropped form the WA shield team) & is even struggling getting runs in Perth grade. For tests, he is so far over the horizon, it's not funny. Huss short term is a good call (as long as he starts scoring runs on the resumption of the Shield). Too long producing quality results cannot be ignored.

  • VivGilchrist on January 16, 2013, 21:09 GMT

    Someone posted that Beer outbowled Lyon in WI..... On checking the stats in the only Test Beer played he took 2 wickets while Lyon took a 5 for. As usual uninformed comments make it through......

  • James_Murphy on January 16, 2013, 13:01 GMT

    @Meety good call re Panesar's figures that game. He is an underrated bowler. Beer not in his class. I guess I haven't seen enough of SOK to back him in but would love for him to get a chance at least in the touring party. By the third or fourth test it could even be Beer and SOK together leading the attack if Lyon's variety continues to be 89mph, 90, 89, 90, 89, 91, 90, 89. 90, 89, 91, 90.

  • Meety on January 16, 2013, 11:57 GMT

    @James_Murphy on (January 16 2013, 08:44 AM GMT) - fair enough, but early in SO'Ks career he often played with Hauritz & Smith (Smith did actually take wickets once upon a time). re: Panesar, he took 8/237 for that match which was NOT that bad!

  • Moppa on January 16, 2013, 10:20 GMT

    No news here - the underlying headline is "Glenn Maxwell is not an international quality spinner". Apparently the only people in Australia who didn't already know this are the NSP. As for Beer being next in line, that is the author's (reasonable) assumption. As many here have noted, O'Keefe is out of favour despite offering the interesting possibility of playing five bowlers in India. Hauritz, Boyce and Zampa are nowhere near. Whilst I'm not exactly excited by the prospect, and I doubt Cheteshwar Pujara is quaking in his boots, I think Beer will acquit himself well in India.

  • James_Murphy on January 16, 2013, 8:44 GMT

    @Meety SOK bowls 50% of the time at the SCG, Beer the WACA. I know who should have the better figures. Not sticking up for Beer here but you can't always go off Stats. Also remember what Gilly did to Panesar at the WACA, nearly ended his career. Give Beer a chance if he is selected, will be dangerous. I'd take DHussey and Shaun Marsh as 5 and 6, Huss can bowl 15 overs if required. Shaun Marsh's record in sub continent one of the best in the country in all forms.

  • trex1981 on January 15, 2013, 23:46 GMT

    Zampa is more of a long term prospect, best not to throw him in at the deep end before he's ready. Maxwell is not a world-class spinner, he lacks variety and batsmen can get settled with his bowling too easily (as he found out against Sri Lanka). The Aussies should be looking at a left-arm spinner for India, and Beer is a reasonable choice, given that he has one of the better first-class records for a spinner in Australia at the moment. I'd like to see O'Keefe given a shot as well, as he's been around the first class level for a while (though hasn't played as many matches as Beer), has a FC bowling average of 29, and he can bat a bit.

  • blink182alex on January 15, 2013, 18:09 GMT

    Beer is an obvious selection for India for me. He bowled well in the Windies when he played his last test match. Maxwell, Smith and Doherty shouldn't be anywhere near the test squad as a spin bowling option, we saw with India v England tests that Panesar came in and was the difference, Beer isn't as good as Monty but could still do a decent job similar to Ohja. Also, i don't see any reason why Lyon, Beer and O'Keefe all can't be in the test squad for India, England took Swann, Panesar and Tredwell and had 19 players in their squad.

    My Squad: Cowan, Warner, Hughes, Clarke, Watson, Khawaja, Bailey, D.Hussey, Wade, Haddin, Lyon, O'Keefe, Beer, Siddle, Starc, Bird, Johnson, Pattinson, Harris or Cutting

  • Meety on January 18, 2013, 1:43 GMT

    @Moppa on (January 16 2013, 10:20 AM GMT) - I think the NSP are lured by Maxwell's batting stats first, then his bowling stats. Batting-wise he does not look like a Test batsmen, but he scores consistantly (& quickly). Add to bowling that seems to wink out wickets in the Shield ( no easy feat), they wonder whether he could replicate at Test level. I am a bit hot & cold on him. At one point I thought he might be a specialist batsmen that bowls a bit of useful spin, now I am not sure.

  • on January 17, 2013, 4:36 GMT

    I reckon Hauritz needs to be tossed something, hes a great spin bowler with expierence that just needs confidence.

  • Chris_P on January 16, 2013, 21:52 GMT

    @James_Murphy. Fair comment, but when they have gone head to head at the SCG, SOK has finished clearly the better bowler, again due to his experience on these type of tracks. But will we face Perth type pitches in India or SCG types of pitches? That said, Beer has shown enough to suggest he can improve, & from what I have seen in shield games at the SCG, Maxwell is a long, long way behind both these bowlers. He isn't even a front line spinner. Shaun Marsh? His form is awful in first class (dropped form the WA shield team) & is even struggling getting runs in Perth grade. For tests, he is so far over the horizon, it's not funny. Huss short term is a good call (as long as he starts scoring runs on the resumption of the Shield). Too long producing quality results cannot be ignored.

  • VivGilchrist on January 16, 2013, 21:09 GMT

    Someone posted that Beer outbowled Lyon in WI..... On checking the stats in the only Test Beer played he took 2 wickets while Lyon took a 5 for. As usual uninformed comments make it through......

  • James_Murphy on January 16, 2013, 13:01 GMT

    @Meety good call re Panesar's figures that game. He is an underrated bowler. Beer not in his class. I guess I haven't seen enough of SOK to back him in but would love for him to get a chance at least in the touring party. By the third or fourth test it could even be Beer and SOK together leading the attack if Lyon's variety continues to be 89mph, 90, 89, 90, 89, 91, 90, 89. 90, 89, 91, 90.

  • Meety on January 16, 2013, 11:57 GMT

    @James_Murphy on (January 16 2013, 08:44 AM GMT) - fair enough, but early in SO'Ks career he often played with Hauritz & Smith (Smith did actually take wickets once upon a time). re: Panesar, he took 8/237 for that match which was NOT that bad!

  • Moppa on January 16, 2013, 10:20 GMT

    No news here - the underlying headline is "Glenn Maxwell is not an international quality spinner". Apparently the only people in Australia who didn't already know this are the NSP. As for Beer being next in line, that is the author's (reasonable) assumption. As many here have noted, O'Keefe is out of favour despite offering the interesting possibility of playing five bowlers in India. Hauritz, Boyce and Zampa are nowhere near. Whilst I'm not exactly excited by the prospect, and I doubt Cheteshwar Pujara is quaking in his boots, I think Beer will acquit himself well in India.

  • James_Murphy on January 16, 2013, 8:44 GMT

    @Meety SOK bowls 50% of the time at the SCG, Beer the WACA. I know who should have the better figures. Not sticking up for Beer here but you can't always go off Stats. Also remember what Gilly did to Panesar at the WACA, nearly ended his career. Give Beer a chance if he is selected, will be dangerous. I'd take DHussey and Shaun Marsh as 5 and 6, Huss can bowl 15 overs if required. Shaun Marsh's record in sub continent one of the best in the country in all forms.

  • Meety on January 16, 2013, 8:25 GMT

    @Shaggy076 on (January 16 2013, 07:47 AM GMT) - Richie Benaud got over 50 wickets @ 18, but Warney was no Benaud - LOL! Really hope Warner continues to develop his leggies, as 4 wickets @ 43 is NOT far behind most of our lead spinners Shield averages!

  • Meety on January 16, 2013, 7:58 GMT

    @ hyclass (cont)- I think T20 cricket has clouded the parameters of what is needed to get selected into an ODI side, combined with rule changes. IF, we were able to keep Baseball-style stats on fielding, there is a fair chance that Maxwell & Smith would start to look like much more justifiable selections, certainly Maxwell's back to back run outs the other night put a big nail in the Lankan coffin. So I wonder HOW important is it to be able to have brilliant fielders in the covers both sides of the wicket? There should be a measurable stat for that, at the moment is just gut feel. I think Maxwell saves about 10 runs more than the AVERAGE fielder would in the covers. I think all the changes the NSP made in these two games were all correct on an individual basis, but combined had a poor net affect. What if Pup re-injured his Hammy? What if Wade had a complete career defining shocker due to mental fatigue? The NSP have a lot to juggle, I am happy to cut some some slack!

  • Shaggy076 on January 16, 2013, 7:47 GMT

    I agree with Hyclass - Dont include a wrist spinner for India, Warne was never successful there and Boyce and Zampa are no Warne. The turn is too slow on these tracks.

  • Meety on January 16, 2013, 7:45 GMT

    @ hyclass on (January 16 2013, 05:26 AM GMT) - I disagree re: NSP though. I think the Test selections the NSP have made under Inverarity have beenclose to spot on. We don't the severity of the Starc situation on Boxing Day Test, so I am more than happy to ASSUME they have more factors at their disposal to ponder. There are 3 players in Oz cricket that are currently playing that consider themselves hard done by (1. DHussey, 2 Rogers, 3. SO'K, could throw in Hughes but he has got 15 tests or so to his name). Since the Inverarity has taken charge of the NSP - ALL 3 have had injuries or poor form. The issues IMO most people have with the NSP is in the other formats. I couldn't really give a toss about T20s, so I will discuss ODIs. I think the NSP got it wrong with Forrest last year, although there was a brief period of time where he COULD of been a great selection. (cont)

  • Meety on January 16, 2013, 7:36 GMT

    @hyclass on (January 16 2013, 05:40 AM GMT) - whilst not a leggie, I remember a bowler who had a surprisingly good record in India (& Pakistan when they had really good batsmen) was Funky Miller. I mention him, as you noted "..quicker thru the air..." leggies. I think the same is required for offies, to try & keep the Indians trapped on the crease. That is part of the reason why the Swann/Panesar combo worked so well for England, Panesar is faster thru the air (from memory) & Swann flights it more. So they were a good tandem. I really think Lyon's debut now has limited impact on his overall stats (33.7 v 32.5), so I rate him ahead of Hauritz on pure bowling. I was impressed with Hauritz improvement with his batting & his fielding seems to be sharper than I remembered in the past (he was very good for the Heat last night). Anyways, I wouldn't of selected Boyce based on his dissappointing Shield this season & I wouldn't be picking Zampa as he is too raw (would for an A-tour)!

  • hyclass on January 16, 2013, 5:40 GMT

    @Meety...I would not consider a wrist spinner to India, particularly those who rely on flight and turn. Only the quicker through the air, over spun top spinners and googlies style wrist spin bowling is able to hold its own in Indian conditions. For me that rules out Boyce. I'm sure the Indians and even the English would love Doherty to play but his record screams 'no'. Krezja had a game out but paid a huge price for his wickets and has rarely threatened any other time. Lyon's figures are bloated by his debut Test and an ICC sanctioned Galle track that was near unplayable-figures that he still hasnt bettered.He' s had reasonable fortune with difficult from day 1 Test strips. Statistically, Im sure he's already penned in. O'Keefe has demonstrated that he also has the character to be unfazed at International level, though his continued selection in his worst format remains a mystery. Hauritz' form after being dropped included 2 x 100's and 2x 5 wicket hauls in 2 games.Theres not much else

  • hyclass on January 16, 2013, 5:26 GMT

    @Meety...if someone spent a weekend reviewing 1st class players careers, the opposition, the venues, physical endurance, character and recent form, they would easily refute 90% of the public statements and selection metier by CA and the NSP. It seems that in an information age that the ignorance and misuse of information has become the dish du jour. I doubt both the intelligence and the integrity of process of the men in charge. It's impossible not to be struck by a leadership group that appears to make its own rules while staggering drunkly from one farce to another. When process and results are opened to public examination, there is either anger or its explained away as future development. Its my observation that little of substance has changed since Argus. I had high hopes that Inverarity would prove to be more than a morose, self indulgent PR man for processes that go nowhere and accomplish little. The Shield and A tours are the proving grounds-Not the national side and BBL.

  • mikey76 on January 16, 2013, 5:23 GMT

    Good luck Australia, you're gonna need it. They may as well just play a lone spinner as none of the other names mentioned have any pedigree. Swann and Panesar are both world class, Lyon and Beer are patently not. I think Ohja will have a field day with this green Aussie top six on tailor made turners.

  • Meety on January 16, 2013, 5:07 GMT

    @ Jediroya on (January 16 2013, 03:52 AM GMT) - please explain how Beer "outbowled" Lyon in the WIndies? Beer got 2 wickets, Lyon 5 in the only test they played together, I recall Beer did well in an innings on a tour match getting 4 wickets, the match tally Beer 4, Lyon 5 wickets!!!!! @Andrew202 on (January 16 2013, 03:38 AM GMT) - I think it is because his (Zampa) Shield debut was impressive, done well in T20s, List As & Futures League. Whereas Boyce has had a tough year, & is averaging over 50, although has done well in T20s. 5 Shield wickets in 4 games, (no matter how tough the conditions for a spinner) is not really very inspiring. I did rate him ahead of Holland until Holland play well against India in a tour game.

  • Big_Maxy_Walker on January 16, 2013, 4:23 GMT

    doesnt anyone including the author of this article remember beer bowling for australia? he doesnt turn the ball and at best is economical, lyon doesnt turn it either, and despite what channel 9 says, he hasnt improved at all. i would be going for cam boyce and steve okeefe

  • Meety on January 16, 2013, 4:17 GMT

    @Gilly4ever on (January 16 2013, 00:07 AM GMT) - "...He bowls very unusually, which upset the Sri Lankans a lot..." - he hasn't taken a wicket in 15 overs this summer v Sri Lanka, & if you remove his first match against them, his ave is 52. I really don't think he troubles the Lankans much at all. @Shaggy076 on (January 16 2013, 00:12 AM GMT) - that sounds good in theory, but I am not convinced. Beer's last test match was on a pitch with variable bounce in the WIndies against opposition who are of a lower batting pedigree than India & whilst he wasn't bad, I wouldn't think he'd cause much grief to the Indians.

  • Meety on January 16, 2013, 3:56 GMT

    @hyclass on (January 15 2013, 13:27 PM GMT) - I now take it that my original response to you didn't make it where I put forward a view as to why SO'K doesn't get picked for International teams. Won't repeat it, as it would appear to be too sensitive - even though it was tongue in cheek. I cannot fathom how SO'K could be overlooked for Beer, when on all domestic bowling parameters in the Shield, SO'K is ahead of Beer, (inc. being the leading sicket taker in the Shield for Spinners). It is not just this year, but career as well. The only SLIGHT negative, is that SO'K has not bowled a lot of balls per match as other lead spinners (until this year), but that doesn't stop Maxwell being put forward. If it is a left hand offie that is needed for India (I would say yes), than SO'K has to be the bloke given a go. The only time he has ever been given a decent go, was against the in-form touring Poms, (featuring their test top 6), SO'K = the total lead spinners for Oz in the Ashes in 1 innings!

  • Jediroya on January 16, 2013, 3:52 GMT

    at last some common sense from the selectors. watch Beer bowl he is actually a very good bowler there is no need to waste time on batsmen who occasionally give the ball a twirl. even Warner is a better bowler than Maxwell and he is very much a part-timer. Beer is comfortably Australia's 2nd best spinner and in some situations the best, he should be an automatic selection for most if not all tours (and should be strongly in consideration for Sydney and Adelaide). Beer outbowled Lyon in WI and i predict he will do so again in India.

  • Edwards_Anderson on January 16, 2013, 3:42 GMT

    I haven seen a bit of Maxwell and I have real concerns. Anyone in the top 6 has to be able to hold down a spot as a batsman. Nos 7 and 8 are for all-rounders. I've seen nothing to suggest that Maxwell is a top 6 player. The odd successful slogfest of 40 off 25 balls does not make an international batsman in my eyes. Guys like Steve Waugh, Shane Watson and Andrew Symonds were good enough to hold down their spots in the top 6. Simon O'Donnell was not and subsequently batted more at 7 or 8.A genuine all-rounder has to be able to bowl 10 overs if required. The fact that they had to squeeze Smith and Maxwell into the top 6 to get the 5th set of 10 overs was a joke. I can't see Australia getting ten valuable overs from his nude nuts, particularly against teams from the subcontinent. He seems a sharp fieldsman.That he's being touted as a potential test player in India scares me. I would take Beer as the second spinner and Khawaja as Hussey's replacement with Chris Rogers as the backup.

  • Andrew202 on January 16, 2013, 3:38 GMT

    I find it interesting how in some of the comments here and in the media, Zampa's name has started to come up. Meanwhile you've got Cameron Boyce, another leg spinner, playing almost regular first class cricket for Qld and doing a decent job when he gets his opportunities (and good on Darren Lehmann for sticking by him and picking him regularly). I'd say Boyce is the only leg spinner in Australia playing regular first class cricket (could be wrong but I think that's the case) and, yet, the NSW player who has played 1 first class game is starting to get brought up in these discussions regularly. Wonder why that is? Could it be because he's from NSW?

  • Nerk on January 16, 2013, 3:37 GMT

    We need two spinners to go to India, that is something we all agree on. But they need to be front-line spinners. Maxwell, even at state level, is not a front line spinner. He is many years away from being a front line spinner. To take him to India on the basis of his bowling would be a grave error by a selection panel that has made a number of those already.

  • on January 16, 2013, 3:28 GMT

    I love how Maxwell blamed the batsmen for not scoring enough runs; unless my memory is completely wrong, Glenn "I'm an allrounder" Maxwell failed worse than most in our innings.

  • Big_Maxy_Walker on January 16, 2013, 2:27 GMT

    what has okeefe done to the selectors? he has the best spinners record in the coubtry and is a leftie so would make a good combo with right handed lyon. plus hes a good batsmen

  • johntycodes on January 16, 2013, 1:48 GMT

    Please selectors announce that lyon needs a rest and you will be rotating him out of the india tour. I don't understand why everyone keeps reffering to these options as spinners. The only spinner mentioned was krezja the others are just slow bowlers they certainly never spin the ball.

  • Buckers410 on January 16, 2013, 1:27 GMT

    O'Keefe, Lyon and Beer should be the main ones. Smith and Maxwell are not bowlers. They are bastman (Maxwell is a haq) who can bowl you some overs. I'd take Smith as a batsman and Maxwell is perfect fpr ODI and T20

  • AngryAngy on January 16, 2013, 1:21 GMT

    It's funny, everyone scoffed at Beer's emergence during the Ashes, but he's effectively remained the "other guy" ever since.

  • Shaggy076 on January 16, 2013, 0:12 GMT

    I would have thought Beer would have to go; We have an off-spinner, leg spinners even teh great SHane Warne have struggled in India so we need a left arm orthodox to go with Lyon. I prefer the tall Beer to the smaller O Keefe and Doherty as Beer will bet much more bounce variation with is height.

  • Ozcricketwriter on January 16, 2013, 0:07 GMT

    I'd give Doherty another shot. He bowls very unusually, which upset the Sri Lankans a lot and would probably upset Indians too.

  • SevereCritic on January 15, 2013, 22:04 GMT

    What about Zampa ? Too young and not bled in yet?

  • hycIass on January 15, 2013, 21:39 GMT

    Beer should go over Maxwell, Maxwell's bowling doesn't stand up at the top level. My squad would be:

    Cowan, Watson, Warner, Hughes, Watson, Khawaja, Calrke, Cowan, Wade, Haddin, Lyon, O'Keefe, Beer, Siddle, Starc, Bird, Johnson, Pattinson, Harris or Cutting

  • sifter132 on January 15, 2013, 19:57 GMT

    Hyclass describes Beer as "A mediocre spinner,modest fielder and batting bunny." Have no problems with that description, but it also fitted a certain Monty Panesar, and he's just had a great tour of India. I wonder if the selectors aren't just hoping for their version of Monty. Absolutely bore the Indian batsmen out with left arm line and length, and hope the occasional ball does something. For me, I'd take O'Keefe so that the option to play 5 bowlers is a realistic one. O'Keefe, Johnson, Siddle and Starc is a decent 7-10 in a batting order. If Pattinson is fit and playing instead of one of the lefties, same diff.

  • Jaffa79 on January 15, 2013, 17:52 GMT

    I'd like to see Doherty back in the Aussie team.

  • Peterincanada on January 15, 2013, 17:14 GMT

    A trip to a country of turning pitches with Beer and Lyon does not fill me with confidence. Hopefully the faster bowlers can drop their pace and bowl cutters.

  • DylanBrah on January 15, 2013, 14:31 GMT

    I don't think any of Maxwell/Beer/O'Keefe will perform well in India if given the opportunity. Maxwell actually has the best average for a spinner in the shield this season (besides Zampa who played one match), with 7 wickets @ 25.42. O'Keefe - 9 wickets @34.55, Beer - 8 wickets @46.37. Take your pick. Here's hoping Clarke's back is okay because he will prove to be a more than handy option I think - always looks far more threatening than Lyon.

  • rydberg on January 15, 2013, 14:10 GMT

    doherty, hauritz ,steven smith, could be better choices jason krezja has an amazing record in india

  • mjcoxx on January 15, 2013, 13:49 GMT

    If Lyon and Beer go to India they will go as Australia's number 2 and 3. The current number one? .... Michael Clarke.

  • on January 15, 2013, 13:36 GMT

    as much as i dont like beer to much, i think he is the best spinner in aus for the india tour. Not england and not at home but the indian tour. i think with his height and pace he bowls at will be effective then Lyon or any other spinner

  • bobagorof on January 15, 2013, 13:33 GMT

    Charlie101 - he's not injured. He played in tonight's hit-and-giggle.

  • ScottStevo on January 15, 2013, 13:31 GMT

    Agreed, heathrf1974. Both Maxwell and Smith are bits n pieces players that only hold any value in T20. Maxwell is being so hyped by selectors and pundits and it's completely sickening me as he's near on useless with the ball and plays one in ten short format innings half decently. To top it off, the kid goes raving online about being the x-factor before a major tournament (in which he failed miserably). Arrogance is one thing, but if you can't back it up on the field, then you're just a fool - and that's what Maxwell is. I hope he's nowhere near the Australian cricket set up in any format of the game until he learns to talk with the numbers on the scoreboard rather than a chat board...

  • hyclass on January 15, 2013, 13:27 GMT

    Excellent.A mediocre spinner,modest fielder and batting bunny. Just the thing to take to India where finger spin is rare. I cringe every time someone from CA,the NSP or the team itself steps up to the microphone.Surely the last five years of masochism at the microphone should have cured their foot in mouth, but it seems it hasnt. Apparently,an equally competent or better spinner in O'Keefe, who can also bat, isnt an option worth considering.Fascinating. If only the coaches had video analysts, assistant selectors,match review committees and a wealth of well paid supposedly professional support staff to encourage better due diligence and decision making...oh wait...they do. And still the heads shake in disbelief...

  • on January 15, 2013, 13:20 GMT

    What about Cameron Boyce? A tour to India would be incredibly beneficial to the most promising spinner in the country.

  • on January 15, 2013, 13:18 GMT

    Why oh why did the selectors pick Maxwell previously when there is such a rich literary vein to hoe with a name like Beer? And of course Bird.

  • heathrf1974 on January 15, 2013, 13:16 GMT

    Beer is our next best option. Unfortunately Maxwell at the moment is a bit-type player like Steve Smith, neither a quality batsman or bowler, although a fine fieldsman.

  • PFEL on January 15, 2013, 13:15 GMT

    Hauritz is still the best spinner in Australia.

  • Charlie101 on January 15, 2013, 13:00 GMT

    Where is Nathan Haurizt- he seems to have disapeared since his row with Ricky Ponting . Is he injured or just not playing well enough ???

  • landl47 on January 15, 2013, 12:55 GMT

    Beer is a much better complement to Lyon than Maxwell would be. A left-armer turning the ball away gives the batsmen more to think about. As England's experience showed, two genuine spinners are a must for India.

  • landl47 on January 15, 2013, 12:55 GMT

    Beer is a much better complement to Lyon than Maxwell would be. A left-armer turning the ball away gives the batsmen more to think about. As England's experience showed, two genuine spinners are a must for India.

  • Charlie101 on January 15, 2013, 13:00 GMT

    Where is Nathan Haurizt- he seems to have disapeared since his row with Ricky Ponting . Is he injured or just not playing well enough ???

  • PFEL on January 15, 2013, 13:15 GMT

    Hauritz is still the best spinner in Australia.

  • heathrf1974 on January 15, 2013, 13:16 GMT

    Beer is our next best option. Unfortunately Maxwell at the moment is a bit-type player like Steve Smith, neither a quality batsman or bowler, although a fine fieldsman.

  • on January 15, 2013, 13:18 GMT

    Why oh why did the selectors pick Maxwell previously when there is such a rich literary vein to hoe with a name like Beer? And of course Bird.

  • on January 15, 2013, 13:20 GMT

    What about Cameron Boyce? A tour to India would be incredibly beneficial to the most promising spinner in the country.

  • hyclass on January 15, 2013, 13:27 GMT

    Excellent.A mediocre spinner,modest fielder and batting bunny. Just the thing to take to India where finger spin is rare. I cringe every time someone from CA,the NSP or the team itself steps up to the microphone.Surely the last five years of masochism at the microphone should have cured their foot in mouth, but it seems it hasnt. Apparently,an equally competent or better spinner in O'Keefe, who can also bat, isnt an option worth considering.Fascinating. If only the coaches had video analysts, assistant selectors,match review committees and a wealth of well paid supposedly professional support staff to encourage better due diligence and decision making...oh wait...they do. And still the heads shake in disbelief...

  • ScottStevo on January 15, 2013, 13:31 GMT

    Agreed, heathrf1974. Both Maxwell and Smith are bits n pieces players that only hold any value in T20. Maxwell is being so hyped by selectors and pundits and it's completely sickening me as he's near on useless with the ball and plays one in ten short format innings half decently. To top it off, the kid goes raving online about being the x-factor before a major tournament (in which he failed miserably). Arrogance is one thing, but if you can't back it up on the field, then you're just a fool - and that's what Maxwell is. I hope he's nowhere near the Australian cricket set up in any format of the game until he learns to talk with the numbers on the scoreboard rather than a chat board...

  • bobagorof on January 15, 2013, 13:33 GMT

    Charlie101 - he's not injured. He played in tonight's hit-and-giggle.

  • on January 15, 2013, 13:36 GMT

    as much as i dont like beer to much, i think he is the best spinner in aus for the india tour. Not england and not at home but the indian tour. i think with his height and pace he bowls at will be effective then Lyon or any other spinner