Thailand November 23, 2007

Thailand board fails accountability test

It's a year since the Cricket Association of Thailand held its last election
32

It's a year since the Cricket Association of Thailand held its last election. In the intervening period Thai cricket has been blighted by an internal dispute which has done serious harm to the standing of the game both inside and outside the country.

On November 9, 2006 the CAT's AGM took place in Bangkok. When it came to election of officers, there were two candidates for chairman. One was Ravi Seghal, the incumbent, the other was Vaughan McClear, an Australian national and a long standing vice president and adminstrator. A secret ballot of the 13 constituent clubs was held and McClear emerged the winner by eight votes to five. It was not an unexpected result as Sehgal's methods were not universally popular. The rest of the meeting proceeded normally and after less than two hours the AGM concluded.

But Seghal was not prepared to go quietly. On November 14 the Sports Authority of Thailand (SAT) sent a letter to the Asian Cricket Council in which it advised that it had appointed a brand new committee to run the CAT. It was ostensibly a purge of all foreign nationals, which included McClear. His replacement as chairman was Seghal. It later emerged that this committee had been appointed six weeks earlier but nobody had seen fit to mention it.

Everyone was astounded. At no stage in the past had this been raised as an issue, but within days of Sehgal's ousting the SAT had stepped in. What's more, the ACC seemed eager to accept what they had been told. McClear was sent a remarkable email by the ACC's chief executive Syed Ashraful Huq in which he signed off: "We sincerely hope that you will continue to help and support the development of cricket in Thailand as you have done so admirably and actively in the past."

The issues were twofold. One was that not only had the democratic process been completely ignored - there was not even a question of there being a fresh election with Thai-only candidates - but also that many of those on the SAT list had few or no cricket credentials.

McClear and those who backed him tried to find a compromise solution but the SAT backed Seghal to the hilt, as did Huq. His committee were all from one club - Seghal's - and what angered people more was that letters, which critics insist were back-dated, were produced to back Seghal's position. What those letters stated was that the president of the CAT had to be a Thai national. That was of little consequence as McClear was not standing for that post. But what it did was to allow the president - General Suebsant Trantranont - to appoint his own board.

What was of real concern was why Seghal had not mentioned any of this before the meeting on November 9. It appears that he had hoped to win the election, but when he did not then he resorted to his back-up plan. Quite why the ACC was so eager to support Seghal was equally strange.

One stakeholder told Cricinfo: "No one knows 99% of the people on the new committee, and this committee knows nothing about cricket or cricket in Thailand . They are not even a real committee since they have been shoe-horned into existence."

So what has Sehgal's band of brothers done in the last year. The answer is not much other than to try to eliminate all opposition. His version of the CAT decided that it did not want McClear running the local cricket league, and so it launched with a new league and have took steps to seize control of all the cricket grounds in Bangkok so that McClear could not run the Bangkok Cricket League as there were no available venues.

To do this it entered a contract with Asian Institute of Technology (AIT) for control of its ground. The CAT is paying AIT a monthly fee and in return the institute is supposed to provide groundsmen to maintain the facility. But the turf wicket built by the CAT at AIT is completely useless, and has been since last January when all maintenance was stopped. The artificial wicket that was paid for by the local league teams is still in good order and was used extensively last season.

It is estimated the CAT receives around US$130,000 from the ICC and ACC. This money should be spent on the development of cricket for the benefit of all, but how it is actually spent is unclear, and with the committee now an effective closed shop, it is less certain if anyone will be able to find out.

Sehgal counters that he has been running cricket in Thailand for over 20 years now, and he has done a fantastic job, so he should keep going. The reality is that there are now fewer people playing, fewer grounds, no sponsors, and the national team goes from bad to worse. There is also the fact that he appears to have taken charge in what amounts to a coup and to be running a completely undemocratic body. The website has been taken down and emails go unanswered.

The ACC is unlikely to do anything as it has a friendly, some might say too cosy, relationship with Seghal. The only hope the stakeholders have is that the ICC might sit up and take notice, as it has done in the USA where another dysfunctional board is in place. Until then, Seghal appears set to carry on regardless.

Martin Williamson is executive editor of ESPNcricinfo and managing editor of ESPN Digital Media in Europe, the Middle East and Africa

Comments have now been closed for this article

  • elennazef on August 21, 2010, 8:33 GMT

    Hello everybody, I saw this site recently and I think it is time for me to say something. I'm attracted to your topics here. Thanks for the strory here. C ya around

  • What cricket on May 10, 2008, 10:41 GMT

    Mr.Watcher, keep watching.There has been a good season of cricket here in Bangkok organized and run by BCL without much publicity around.Semi finals and Finals will take place in next week.Thanks to all the participant teams and good management.Coming back to the committee ,not sure what is going on??? If you find any cricket committee here,please post the address for every one.At this moment cricket is growing in an orphanage and will grow slower than an Ant's pace.

  • Committee Watcher on April 24, 2008, 18:30 GMT

    So are we to believe, that whilst the shenanigans have gone quiet (because people have been threatened against speaking out), that cricket is going anywhere in Thailand under the present management?

    Until all of you decide that it should be better, nothing will change, or are we to put up with distribution of medals at U13 games as being seen as an achievement for Thai cricket as a whole?

  • ICC on April 7, 2008, 6:37 GMT

    Elections? Progress? Development? Co-ordination? Association? Turf wickets? Annual reports? Funds? Freedom of speech and expression? What does that all mentioned mean to guys here??

    Forget it folks! Enjoy yourself. Happy Songkran. Go and watch Hua Hin 6's after successful Chiangmai 6's. If it is not enough then go to Phuket and watch some action there. Take care.

  • Scrutineer on April 2, 2008, 13:16 GMT

    As per the constitution, it is due in November 2008 but we all know that it will not be held and the same old crocs will stay in power. It has been 18 months since Mr Sehgal was beaten and refused to step aside and what has happened since? Nothing. AIT is a turf wicket but has never been used apart from some age tournaments. The local league still plays on the astro wicket. No website, no transperancy and the word out there is that the CAT is not even registered with the Sports Authority thus making their associate membership to the ICC a cover up.....has anyone seen the original documents?? Where is the annual report and annual accounts that should be put out for review by the regions / rest of the country. The only thing being sent out are letters threatening legal action against those who write on freedom of speech blogs.

  • Comittee Man on March 4, 2008, 14:57 GMT

    So when or if is the next vote for president?

  • Happy New Year on December 29, 2007, 14:12 GMT

    Happy New Year to all the cricketers in Thailand . Lets all hope that while you guys in Bangkok enjoy the local league run by a group of dedicated people who want to see cricket move forward in Thailand, that possibly the 5-6 people on the CAT Committee make a new years resolution to step aside and let those who want to do good, do good in 2008...I am sure the present Chairman (unelected!)can see the sense in this and relieve some pressure from himself and his peers??.

    Watch out for the eye of the storm?

  • Missing the Point on December 11, 2007, 8:56 GMT

    Missing the point here everyone.

    An election was held on fair ground, a fair vote was cast and a fair decision was made. This all has got to do about somebody not being fair...not about who plays cricket and where it is played and who runs it and who supports it!!

    Back on track guys - the CAT committee is self elected, deceitful and a farce.Headed up by a defeated chairman who refuses to step away and is backed by corrupt powers above. Sorry, that is the fair truth.

  • Harry on December 8, 2007, 4:56 GMT

    Hi Peter, I and BCL is not selfish to play the league in Bangkok.Rest of Thailand have their own leagues and if they have problems then they should come up.Do they need advocates? Thailand is not cricket playing Nation and in any developing country there are a lot of problems.Change is the law of nature and changes take time and for any adjustments think tanks are very important. So lets be positive.Cricket will grow here. If you were given a chance to speak one sentence about some one,what would you speak??Good or bad?Sure bad words would make you enemies and bring hatred for you where as good words will bring you appreciations.Please think before you speak or write.I must agree that you did write good words in your last comments. We have played together and have had good understanding.You know about my passion for cricket.I respect every one around and really do not care about ethenic differences. We are working hard to stand and work for development of cricket in Thailand.Harry

  • Another Option on December 7, 2007, 13:40 GMT

    Mr Peter, agree with you but here is another choice to Mr CAT Committee........Stand Down and let others do something worthwhile for cricket and not themselves such as what has been happening in the past many years.

    The ACC, CAT, are a disgrace to the name of cricket. Just a few rotten apples spoil the whole basket hey?

  • elennazef on August 21, 2010, 8:33 GMT

    Hello everybody, I saw this site recently and I think it is time for me to say something. I'm attracted to your topics here. Thanks for the strory here. C ya around

  • What cricket on May 10, 2008, 10:41 GMT

    Mr.Watcher, keep watching.There has been a good season of cricket here in Bangkok organized and run by BCL without much publicity around.Semi finals and Finals will take place in next week.Thanks to all the participant teams and good management.Coming back to the committee ,not sure what is going on??? If you find any cricket committee here,please post the address for every one.At this moment cricket is growing in an orphanage and will grow slower than an Ant's pace.

  • Committee Watcher on April 24, 2008, 18:30 GMT

    So are we to believe, that whilst the shenanigans have gone quiet (because people have been threatened against speaking out), that cricket is going anywhere in Thailand under the present management?

    Until all of you decide that it should be better, nothing will change, or are we to put up with distribution of medals at U13 games as being seen as an achievement for Thai cricket as a whole?

  • ICC on April 7, 2008, 6:37 GMT

    Elections? Progress? Development? Co-ordination? Association? Turf wickets? Annual reports? Funds? Freedom of speech and expression? What does that all mentioned mean to guys here??

    Forget it folks! Enjoy yourself. Happy Songkran. Go and watch Hua Hin 6's after successful Chiangmai 6's. If it is not enough then go to Phuket and watch some action there. Take care.

  • Scrutineer on April 2, 2008, 13:16 GMT

    As per the constitution, it is due in November 2008 but we all know that it will not be held and the same old crocs will stay in power. It has been 18 months since Mr Sehgal was beaten and refused to step aside and what has happened since? Nothing. AIT is a turf wicket but has never been used apart from some age tournaments. The local league still plays on the astro wicket. No website, no transperancy and the word out there is that the CAT is not even registered with the Sports Authority thus making their associate membership to the ICC a cover up.....has anyone seen the original documents?? Where is the annual report and annual accounts that should be put out for review by the regions / rest of the country. The only thing being sent out are letters threatening legal action against those who write on freedom of speech blogs.

  • Comittee Man on March 4, 2008, 14:57 GMT

    So when or if is the next vote for president?

  • Happy New Year on December 29, 2007, 14:12 GMT

    Happy New Year to all the cricketers in Thailand . Lets all hope that while you guys in Bangkok enjoy the local league run by a group of dedicated people who want to see cricket move forward in Thailand, that possibly the 5-6 people on the CAT Committee make a new years resolution to step aside and let those who want to do good, do good in 2008...I am sure the present Chairman (unelected!)can see the sense in this and relieve some pressure from himself and his peers??.

    Watch out for the eye of the storm?

  • Missing the Point on December 11, 2007, 8:56 GMT

    Missing the point here everyone.

    An election was held on fair ground, a fair vote was cast and a fair decision was made. This all has got to do about somebody not being fair...not about who plays cricket and where it is played and who runs it and who supports it!!

    Back on track guys - the CAT committee is self elected, deceitful and a farce.Headed up by a defeated chairman who refuses to step away and is backed by corrupt powers above. Sorry, that is the fair truth.

  • Harry on December 8, 2007, 4:56 GMT

    Hi Peter, I and BCL is not selfish to play the league in Bangkok.Rest of Thailand have their own leagues and if they have problems then they should come up.Do they need advocates? Thailand is not cricket playing Nation and in any developing country there are a lot of problems.Change is the law of nature and changes take time and for any adjustments think tanks are very important. So lets be positive.Cricket will grow here. If you were given a chance to speak one sentence about some one,what would you speak??Good or bad?Sure bad words would make you enemies and bring hatred for you where as good words will bring you appreciations.Please think before you speak or write.I must agree that you did write good words in your last comments. We have played together and have had good understanding.You know about my passion for cricket.I respect every one around and really do not care about ethenic differences. We are working hard to stand and work for development of cricket in Thailand.Harry

  • Another Option on December 7, 2007, 13:40 GMT

    Mr Peter, agree with you but here is another choice to Mr CAT Committee........Stand Down and let others do something worthwhile for cricket and not themselves such as what has been happening in the past many years.

    The ACC, CAT, are a disgrace to the name of cricket. Just a few rotten apples spoil the whole basket hey?

  • Peter Goodchap on December 4, 2007, 13:37 GMT

    It is easy to criticise the CAT for the disqualification of the Under 15 team due to players being overaged, but truth be told, this is absolutely nothing to do with the CAT board and mismanagement. You know how I would love to hang the CAT out to dry, but I will have to put my hand up this time and say... It is not CAT's fault.

    CAT do ensure the boys in the teams all are the correct age according to their passports, and as the CAT has absolutely no control over issue of passports, and no control over how old the boys think they are or parents say they are. Kader has always done his utmost to fulfill the ACC requirements and as such we can certainly put no blame on CAT for this mess.

    I know most of the boys personally, and I think I know a couple which might have been said to be over aged. One boy in particular is larger than most for his age, but he has certainly not pretended to be younger than he is.

    So I think the age verification testing will come under further scrutiny, and Asia being what it is, with a terrible system for birth certificates and alike, it will certainly be hard to come up with an answer for this.

    Back to local politics, comments from "The Truth" are spot on. The local Bangkok league players dont seem to care about the big picture of Thailand cricket, and Harry admits that in his comments.

    Time to stop being selfish and thinking only of your self, and thinking about the entire welfare of cricket in Thailand. STAND UP AND DO SOMETHING WORTHWHILE FOR THE FUTURE OF CRICKET!

  • The Truth on December 3, 2007, 6:20 GMT

    As reported in the Bangkok Post today, The ACC disqualified 7 countries including Thailand for fielding overage players in a U-15 competition (according to the ACC you are only supposed to field 2 overage players). As a result, only two teams were left to play in the Tournament. Other nations disqualified were host nation Nepal, Afghanistan, Hong Kong, Oman, Malaysia & Saudi Arabia.

    So, from a Thailand perspective, how did this happen? What does the national coach & those who administer the game here in Thailand under the auspice of CAT have to say about this highly embarrassing situation?

    Without wishing to labour the point but all the rhetoric about cricket thriving here in Thailand (not Bangkok) at the grassroots level is a profound understatement to say the least.

    I have read all of comments from people in relation to the original article and a large number of you miss the point and that is the CAT is failing to administer the game properly despite happily accepting funds / grants from the ACC. This has nothing to do with the BCL which has over the years been run very successfully without funding from the ACC. The BCL is a cricket league for teams located in Bangkok not Thailand!

  • Harry on December 2, 2007, 11:01 GMT

    BCL started its league under the CAT umbrella today.The first match between BCC2 (Bangkok cricket cub) and PCC ( Punjab cricket club) was played at AIT grounds.BCC2 won the match.It was a close match but Win is a Win. Congratulations to BCC and its captains.PCC is also a good team this season and I am sure they will also win few games very soon.

    On the 5th Dec.enjoy the game between Bangkok Stars and BC Elite at the Polo grounds starting at 9 a.m.Sure I am the captain of the Bangkok Stars and might give you good news again.

    Well,cannot talk about the rest of Thailand cricket as it is not my business and I do not like to get involved in their affairs.I better mind my business as there are better things to do in life.

  • Concerned on December 1, 2007, 12:17 GMT

    Thats the problem isn't it..You people are Bangkok Cricketers..not Thailand cricketers

  • Bangkok cricketers on November 30, 2007, 12:50 GMT

    Hi Peter, We Bangkok cricketers don't mind living here and playing here in any conditions so long you keep away from our internal problems.We know how to handle BCL and CAT.Yes,we will enjoy our league.Other regions in Thailand are already enjoying their cricket.Don't worry Mr. Please have fun in Aussie summer.

  • Peter Goodchap on November 30, 2007, 4:52 GMT

    It is great to hear that a compromise has been made and that the league will be up and running very soon.

    BUT what about the rest of Thailand, and the national teams and the future development of cricket which is still in the hands of the person who has been making a mockery of cricket in Thailand. What incentive is there for Ravi Sehgal to change now and improve things??? NONE!!

    Now it is a case of all the Bangkok cricketers can sit back and play cricket, allowing the same abuse of power to continue.

    Dont think the league beginning achieves anything but a group of people playing cricket in Bangkok, it certainly isnt going to assist the outer regions who have been crying murder for many years without anyone seemingly doing anything about it.

    The hard work of building cricket in Thailand has not yet begun, and never will with this dictator and his committee!

    But you fellas have fun playing in the league!

  • Concerned on November 30, 2007, 0:37 GMT

    The reason we have to keep blaming cricket is because unlike you we want to see Thailand cricket develop past a 15 team club league in Bangkok, see schools play, see junior teams do well, see more grounds, see more coaches, see better national players...It isn't all about just having fun when you have 130,000 dollars being pumped into the game each year..certainly not an individual problem.

  • Ron on November 29, 2007, 14:13 GMT

    Lets forget every thing.We have a game on Sunday. Why blame Thailand cricket any more. Thailand cricket is for all the cricket community in Thailand. Individual problems should be left out. No one is perfect.We know we are going to have fun.

  • None-Too-Concerned-but-surprised on November 29, 2007, 8:25 GMT

    There seems to be too many comments in favour one party ... it all seems too fishy ... looks more of a dispute between two individuals than the democratic process, as is made out to be.

    EDITORIAL COMMENT: We publish the feedback we get, aside from any that are offensive/libellous. We have repeatedly asked the board to comment but our emails are not acknowledged.

  • Ron on November 29, 2007, 5:16 GMT

    Good to know about the cricket league starting this week.We have received e-mails confirming the first games.Fun starts at AIT this Sunday.

    Let us not forget the hard work of Mr.Harry and all others involved as peace makers.I am sure he had tough time convincing these 2 parties to come forward and make good compromise.

    Well,congratulations to Mr. Kader and Vaughan along with CAT and BCL members for this excellent arrangement and bold decision to let cricket to be played again on a smooth track.Let the Bangkok cricketers enjoy few good days of cricket.Good luck to all.

  • Player on November 28, 2007, 13:11 GMT

    Good to see the Bangkok Cricket League getting started again. They are the true winners. It is a great competition run by great people and played by all those who admire this sport. That is playing cricket at its best.

    I must have to agree with Arjun, the administrators of the whole cricket country are not up to speed. The ACC and ICC are not up to speed. Makes one laugh really but hey, the local cricketers are getting on with it so a job well done to you players.

  • Arjun Chaudhuri on November 28, 2007, 6:31 GMT

    The internal problems plaguing Thai cricket is a blemish on cricket as a whole. Internal problems has been wrecking Zimbabwe cricket for quite some time now. Zimbabwe’s crisis comes to the fore more often than does Thailand’s issues because the former is, or rather used to be, for a number of years, a Test playing nation, without much success though. Thailand, on the other hand, is hardly a force to reckon with even in the Asian cricket scenario; Nepal can be an Australia for them.

    Nevertheless, while a depleted Zimbabwe can still shock Australia in a Twenty20, and the spirited Bangladeshi tigers tame the Aussie kangaroos in a One-dayer, Thailand cannot even dream of creating mere ripples in international cricket, until and unless they have a sensible cricket administration at home. A corrupt administration manned by people with vested interests is toying with Thai cricket. This is a bewildering situation, in view of the fact Thailand looked set to try making it bigger in international cricket when it appointed Nayan Mongia as the coach of its national team participating at the Asian Cricket Council Trophy 2004.

    The ICC should look into the matter seriously, and intervene for good. In fact, the ICC could well consider creating an active damage control cell, for taking care of the Zimbabwes and the Thailands, that keep cropping up disconcertingly.

  • Harry on November 28, 2007, 4:52 GMT

    This message is for all those critics/wellwishers of Thailand cricket.Here is the news for all of you who have been impatient to know about the peace process and cricket league in Bangkok.

    Let me ring the bells close to your ears please. The league is starting this week.Compromise has finally taken place.You can check with Vaughan McClear who is leading the BCL and uncle Kader who is helping league as development officer.

    All Bangkok cricketers are happy to play some cricket.I will not go in much more details as both parties have agreed upon terms and conditions.From now onwards,it is our home affair.We will handle it with our respect and dignity.You all are welcome to watch good cricket here in lovely Thailand.Just smiles! please.

    Thank you all for leaving us alone.Hope you will hear about successful cricket season of Bangkok Cricket league.CAT is very keen to help in development of cricket.The new Era of cricket starts from this week.Sure ,we senior cricketers will help the young cricketers in Thailand and to make them tough and better cricketers.

    Good luck guys. Captain Harry Singh.

  • Ex USA Cricketer on November 27, 2007, 16:08 GMT

    What is the origin of this problem?

    It may not be the people within Thailand Cricket. Looking further into the main story, could it be the inappropriate ways of the ACC and some of its members? The ICC leaves the region in question to the ACC and why is it that a certain CEO is turning a blind eye to this all.

    Deja Vu USA, Kenya, Zimbabwe.......

    When will there be some good news to read about cricket over there?

  • Concerned on November 27, 2007, 16:00 GMT

    The shame is that there have been so many people disenfranchised by this situation.

    The youth coaches are trying as best they can, but there have been so many people cut out by this mess.

    I sincerely hope that the league continues as the status quo this year and everyone enjoys it very much.

    Youth cricket development is a completely different matter.

    There are retired first class, 2nd class and 1st and 2nd grade cricketers in this country who are only too willing to help for free and have done in the past.

    However if the organisation they are helping cannot even honour a simple vote this is a very difficult situation. Everyone wants to feel that there is a plan. Some of the Under 15 cricketers around at the moment are probably some of the most talented that Thailand has ever had, and this is far more important than who is individually president.

    Cricket development needs everyone to be selfless. The situation shows that there are some who are not honoring the simple tenet of do no harm.

    I sincerely believe that anyone who has voluntarily coahed cricket in Thailand has never done it for the kudos. Currently it appears that the administrators see their role very differently.

    I do not personally care who is the president, vice president or the such. I would simply like to feel that people in charge are as selfless as those who have donated their time, experience and knowledge for free.

    This is a developing cricket nation and as such, changes will come and go, and not honouring a vote is enough to tell me that the governance here is very wrong.

  • Peter Goodchap on November 27, 2007, 10:41 GMT

    Dear Concerned,

    Your comments are very true, and it is a very sad state of affairs.

    For those who think these comments and blogs should not be written, I ask you, if they were not written and therefore people finding out what is happening, what incentive would there be for the CAT to listen to the people. They have gone along for so long already disregarding everybody else and the correct way to do things, and it has only been since this has come out into the open that the possibility of progress has been achieved.

    Lets hope that common sense prevails and that a decent cricket league runs in Bangkok this year and that those who have made things worse suffer a similar fate to that of Thailand's cricket development until now.

    With the Thailand Under 15 team, it is not surprising they have been beaten so heavily, Oman is a very strong junior team and most of the Thailand squad are inexperienced..... just another example of how poor the development has been to see how poor our teams are. I also see that the manager on tour is a RBSC member and has never been involved in junior development before!

  • Dog training on November 27, 2007, 10:04 GMT

    Very interesting... as always! Cheers from -Switzerland-.

  • Concerned on November 26, 2007, 11:03 GMT

    I am amongst many others have been involved with Thailand Cricket for a long time, and the situation is exactly how it has been drawn out in the above article. I simply do not understand how the ACC could stand aside and watch as this happens. One plausible explanation is the extent of Ravi Sehgal's influence and reach within the ACC, BCCI, and the Sports Authority of Thailand

    He says he's helping Thailand Cricket but lets have a look at whats been happening over the last few years.

    - There is no conceivable school cricket to speak off in the country. - Bangkok is the only city with a proper league, and national players are picked from this league of about 20 teams out of which there are only 25 -30 players who are good enough to keep Thailand competitive even against teams like Maldives and Bhutan. - Thailand does not have its own national ground, nets, and facilities - Coaches are paid peanuts (there are only 8 or 9 who anything anyway in a rather disjointed fashion from each other.) - No-one knows where any of the money from the ACC/ICC goes. - Thailand's junior and senior teams have performed pathetically over the last 5 - 10 years and its definitely not getting better. The U-15s just lost to Oman by 10 wickets. Oman aren't even an ICC Associate.

    Something definitely has to be done!

  • Legend on November 26, 2007, 10:25 GMT

    A fair and accurate assessment of what is going on in Thailand cricket. I for one, who has played here for some years now is totally disgusted by the ACTIONS of one Mr Sehgal and cohorts. Some of their antics are simply disgraceful and would not be tolerated in my home country.But that's the problem, I am not on my home country and it seems this type of skulduggery is quite the norm in these parts, much to the detriment of the great game.

  • The Truth on November 26, 2007, 6:24 GMT

    I'm not sure who wrote this well informed article but at last the truth is out!!

    This information has been suppressed from the general public for far too long and it's about time it was aired in the public domain. Perhaps those who are genuinely interested in seeing cricket develop here within Thailand will now take note of the issues that have prevented decent hard working individuals who want cricket to thrive here in Thailand.

  • Concerned player on November 26, 2007, 2:09 GMT

    This is highly damaging. Both the fighting factions moving forward here for a compromise which is in the interest of Thailand cricket. Your comments at this time may turn out to be the spoiler. Let your comments appear if the compromise fails. Cricinfo should play a role of helping the cause of cricket and not destroying it. None will object at your above comments if the compromise efforts here are dismissed. But your comments should not become the reason for the compromise to be dismissed. Pls. come back here with these comments when you hear that compromise process was not respected. Help the cause and not worsen it. Thailand cricketers will highly appreciate your understanding on the sensitivity of this matter.

  • badman on November 25, 2007, 20:30 GMT

    Why do all these corrupt regimes thrive in cricket circles and why does the I.C.C. not get involved and throw these people out?

  • No featured comments at the moment.

  • badman on November 25, 2007, 20:30 GMT

    Why do all these corrupt regimes thrive in cricket circles and why does the I.C.C. not get involved and throw these people out?

  • Concerned player on November 26, 2007, 2:09 GMT

    This is highly damaging. Both the fighting factions moving forward here for a compromise which is in the interest of Thailand cricket. Your comments at this time may turn out to be the spoiler. Let your comments appear if the compromise fails. Cricinfo should play a role of helping the cause of cricket and not destroying it. None will object at your above comments if the compromise efforts here are dismissed. But your comments should not become the reason for the compromise to be dismissed. Pls. come back here with these comments when you hear that compromise process was not respected. Help the cause and not worsen it. Thailand cricketers will highly appreciate your understanding on the sensitivity of this matter.

  • The Truth on November 26, 2007, 6:24 GMT

    I'm not sure who wrote this well informed article but at last the truth is out!!

    This information has been suppressed from the general public for far too long and it's about time it was aired in the public domain. Perhaps those who are genuinely interested in seeing cricket develop here within Thailand will now take note of the issues that have prevented decent hard working individuals who want cricket to thrive here in Thailand.

  • Legend on November 26, 2007, 10:25 GMT

    A fair and accurate assessment of what is going on in Thailand cricket. I for one, who has played here for some years now is totally disgusted by the ACTIONS of one Mr Sehgal and cohorts. Some of their antics are simply disgraceful and would not be tolerated in my home country.But that's the problem, I am not on my home country and it seems this type of skulduggery is quite the norm in these parts, much to the detriment of the great game.

  • Concerned on November 26, 2007, 11:03 GMT

    I am amongst many others have been involved with Thailand Cricket for a long time, and the situation is exactly how it has been drawn out in the above article. I simply do not understand how the ACC could stand aside and watch as this happens. One plausible explanation is the extent of Ravi Sehgal's influence and reach within the ACC, BCCI, and the Sports Authority of Thailand

    He says he's helping Thailand Cricket but lets have a look at whats been happening over the last few years.

    - There is no conceivable school cricket to speak off in the country. - Bangkok is the only city with a proper league, and national players are picked from this league of about 20 teams out of which there are only 25 -30 players who are good enough to keep Thailand competitive even against teams like Maldives and Bhutan. - Thailand does not have its own national ground, nets, and facilities - Coaches are paid peanuts (there are only 8 or 9 who anything anyway in a rather disjointed fashion from each other.) - No-one knows where any of the money from the ACC/ICC goes. - Thailand's junior and senior teams have performed pathetically over the last 5 - 10 years and its definitely not getting better. The U-15s just lost to Oman by 10 wickets. Oman aren't even an ICC Associate.

    Something definitely has to be done!

  • Dog training on November 27, 2007, 10:04 GMT

    Very interesting... as always! Cheers from -Switzerland-.

  • Peter Goodchap on November 27, 2007, 10:41 GMT

    Dear Concerned,

    Your comments are very true, and it is a very sad state of affairs.

    For those who think these comments and blogs should not be written, I ask you, if they were not written and therefore people finding out what is happening, what incentive would there be for the CAT to listen to the people. They have gone along for so long already disregarding everybody else and the correct way to do things, and it has only been since this has come out into the open that the possibility of progress has been achieved.

    Lets hope that common sense prevails and that a decent cricket league runs in Bangkok this year and that those who have made things worse suffer a similar fate to that of Thailand's cricket development until now.

    With the Thailand Under 15 team, it is not surprising they have been beaten so heavily, Oman is a very strong junior team and most of the Thailand squad are inexperienced..... just another example of how poor the development has been to see how poor our teams are. I also see that the manager on tour is a RBSC member and has never been involved in junior development before!

  • Concerned on November 27, 2007, 16:00 GMT

    The shame is that there have been so many people disenfranchised by this situation.

    The youth coaches are trying as best they can, but there have been so many people cut out by this mess.

    I sincerely hope that the league continues as the status quo this year and everyone enjoys it very much.

    Youth cricket development is a completely different matter.

    There are retired first class, 2nd class and 1st and 2nd grade cricketers in this country who are only too willing to help for free and have done in the past.

    However if the organisation they are helping cannot even honour a simple vote this is a very difficult situation. Everyone wants to feel that there is a plan. Some of the Under 15 cricketers around at the moment are probably some of the most talented that Thailand has ever had, and this is far more important than who is individually president.

    Cricket development needs everyone to be selfless. The situation shows that there are some who are not honoring the simple tenet of do no harm.

    I sincerely believe that anyone who has voluntarily coahed cricket in Thailand has never done it for the kudos. Currently it appears that the administrators see their role very differently.

    I do not personally care who is the president, vice president or the such. I would simply like to feel that people in charge are as selfless as those who have donated their time, experience and knowledge for free.

    This is a developing cricket nation and as such, changes will come and go, and not honouring a vote is enough to tell me that the governance here is very wrong.

  • Ex USA Cricketer on November 27, 2007, 16:08 GMT

    What is the origin of this problem?

    It may not be the people within Thailand Cricket. Looking further into the main story, could it be the inappropriate ways of the ACC and some of its members? The ICC leaves the region in question to the ACC and why is it that a certain CEO is turning a blind eye to this all.

    Deja Vu USA, Kenya, Zimbabwe.......

    When will there be some good news to read about cricket over there?

  • Harry on November 28, 2007, 4:52 GMT

    This message is for all those critics/wellwishers of Thailand cricket.Here is the news for all of you who have been impatient to know about the peace process and cricket league in Bangkok.

    Let me ring the bells close to your ears please. The league is starting this week.Compromise has finally taken place.You can check with Vaughan McClear who is leading the BCL and uncle Kader who is helping league as development officer.

    All Bangkok cricketers are happy to play some cricket.I will not go in much more details as both parties have agreed upon terms and conditions.From now onwards,it is our home affair.We will handle it with our respect and dignity.You all are welcome to watch good cricket here in lovely Thailand.Just smiles! please.

    Thank you all for leaving us alone.Hope you will hear about successful cricket season of Bangkok Cricket league.CAT is very keen to help in development of cricket.The new Era of cricket starts from this week.Sure ,we senior cricketers will help the young cricketers in Thailand and to make them tough and better cricketers.

    Good luck guys. Captain Harry Singh.