Champions League Twenty20 October 4, 2012

T&T players roll back on CLT20 pull-out

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A major embarrassment for the Trinidad & Tobago Cricket Board (TTCB) and the WICB was avoided after the Trinidad & Tobago players departed for South Africa to compete in the Champions League Twenty20 after initially threatening to pull out of the tournament over a monetary dispute with the TTCB.

"The players from T&T have decided to travel to South Africa," Suruj Ragoonath, the TTCB chief executive, told ESPNcricinfo. "In the meantime, the TTCB and WIPA, who have good relations, continue discussions on the matter."

The dispute began on October 3 when five T&T players - Denesh Ramdin, Darren Bravo, Ravi Rampaul, Lendl Simmons and Samuel Badree - currently in Sri Lanka representing West Indies in the World Twenty20, told the TTCB that they would participate in the CLT20 only if the board shared with them the $450,000 it received for allowing Kieron Pollard, Dwayne Bravo and Sunil Narine to represent their IPL teams instead of their country.

The players' emissary was Dinanath Ramnarine, the former WIPA president. Ramnarine, who has had numerous run-ins with the WICB on various issues, had recently helped Simmons and Ramnaresh Sarwan claim damages from the WICB for breach of their player contracts.

It is understood the situation worsened on Thursday morning, when the ten other members of the T&T squad also refused to travel to South Africa on their 5pm flight from Port-of-Spain unless the demands were met. The problem had arisen six days before T&T's first game in the qualifying stage of the Champions League and it caught the TTCB off guard.

Reacting to the development, the TTCB initially explained to the players that a guaranteed sum of more than $20,000 was assured to each individual for two qualification matches. Ramnarine pointed out that in case the team advanced to the main round, the TTCB had guaranteed an additional $200,000 before taxes. It was also reported that 75% of the monies and any other prize money would be shared among the squad.

That, however, did not change the players' minds and so the TTCB reportedly asked the selectors to appoint five replacements. Former West Indies players Mervyn Dillon, Daren Ganga, and Dave Mohammed were sounded out, along with the pair of Justin Guillen and Stephen Katwaroo.

The TTCB also contacted WICB officials and informed them about the development. "The WICB was told that the players had put down a condition to travel which the TTCB did not believe was fair," a CLT20 official told ESPNcricinfo. "TTCB said that the money paid by the IPL franchises had nothing to do with the T&T squad and they were not willing to share. They have reached deadlock."

The WICB officials went scrambling to try and organize a Jamaica squad, who were runners-up in the Caribbean T20 last season, as a replacement team. "The WICB felt they had to send a team to represent the Caribbean and the board was is in talks with the Jamaica Cricket Association to send a team," the official said.

However, after last-minute negotiations, the T&T players decided to board the flight to Johannesburg.

Nagraj Gollapudi is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • POSTED BY Bruisers on | October 6, 2012, 5:56 GMT

    Its a heavily depleted T&T side.. The best playing XI could be - Barath, Simmons, Perkins, Bravo, Ramdin, Mohammed, Cooper, Ganga, Badree, Rampaul, Gabriel

  • POSTED BY sifter132 on | October 6, 2012, 5:38 GMT

    Absolute greed from these 5 T&T players - instead of playing for the honour of representing their country...nope...they need cash if they are going to front up...very sad.

  • POSTED BY BRUTALANALYST on | October 5, 2012, 21:22 GMT

    It's the IPL sides that are paying for Pollard Bravo Narine not to play for them so they can represent their franchises.The CLT20 has become a farse after the first series when the IPL sides did not qualify they changed the rules&contracts so players had to represent IPL sides this only hurts INDIAN cricket as it again prevents Indians playin under pressure or learning form these competitions like the IPL as they always have superstars from aroun the wrld whether that is with the bat or ball to win the game & play the pressure situations! THE CLT20 could have been a brilliant tournament if it stuck to the finalists frm each Country &India had Domestic sides nt IPL so Indians could actually play and learn and take charge in a good standard of cricket instead it has been destroyed by $ & IPL which even has 4 sides that do not have to qualify whilst the solo W.I & other nations winners have to qualify depsite winnin their comp & with added insult without their best players! it won't last

  • POSTED BY ruhkungkuhtungkung on | October 5, 2012, 20:29 GMT

    To clarify: 1. Gayle does not play for TnT, he's Jamaican. 2. TnT players wanted to play for TnT, but the IPL teams would have remembered that and given them a hard time next year, so they were cowed into compliance with the IPL. 3. In light of that fact, TnT is fielding a weakened team, thus their chances of progressing and thus earning more money for the players is diminished, so it seems justified that they would ask for a portion of the money received from the IPL teams for the contracted players. Lost revenue to the TnT squad. And let's be totally clear, T20 is all about milking the cash cow dry, nobody is in it for pride and all that crud. Cricket used to be the gentleman's game, now it is huge money, with India at the epicentre. There is a bit of hypocrisy that everyone engages in that players should choose country over club (aka money) but not all countries pay the same amount to their players and who will take of the players when they retire or can't play anymore? Any one ofu?

  • POSTED BY on | October 5, 2012, 18:43 GMT

    @U.T.K.A.L the players have no choice in the matter or representing either country or club. the ipl rules clearly states that the ipl club has first prference over the players.

  • POSTED BY Jamdowner on | October 5, 2012, 17:23 GMT

    Why is Gayle's name mentioned in this discussion ?

  • POSTED BY mannatshergill on | October 5, 2012, 15:53 GMT

    where money enters, game get spoiled..ALWAYS and EVERYWHARE

  • POSTED BY on | October 5, 2012, 13:55 GMT

    What an ugly & embarrassing situation. Sad to c what WI cricket has degenerated into. Make money your God and it will plague U like the Devil. I hope they didn't pay them a cut cent. That money is for the development of TT & WI cricket. Maybe a TT school boys' tour to Eng, etc.

  • POSTED BY Mr.Infinity on | October 5, 2012, 12:56 GMT

    @ tauhid_aks That does not happen in Soccer because they have league seasons clashing with each other. In T20 Leagues that's not the case, we have short spanned league seasons. This allows players to play in multiple leagues without conflicting any of them and Problem occurs when multiple teams a player represent qualify for Champions league. I personally think it's a players decision about playing in which league as long as it's not conflicting nation team's interest (and his home league team is getting paid). But asking for money which the club got from transfers? That's ridiculous. :)

  • POSTED BY on | October 5, 2012, 12:10 GMT

    Why am I not surprised at any of this and why am I not surprised Ramnarine had somethin to do with it.

  • POSTED BY Bruisers on | October 6, 2012, 5:56 GMT

    Its a heavily depleted T&T side.. The best playing XI could be - Barath, Simmons, Perkins, Bravo, Ramdin, Mohammed, Cooper, Ganga, Badree, Rampaul, Gabriel

  • POSTED BY sifter132 on | October 6, 2012, 5:38 GMT

    Absolute greed from these 5 T&T players - instead of playing for the honour of representing their country...nope...they need cash if they are going to front up...very sad.

  • POSTED BY BRUTALANALYST on | October 5, 2012, 21:22 GMT

    It's the IPL sides that are paying for Pollard Bravo Narine not to play for them so they can represent their franchises.The CLT20 has become a farse after the first series when the IPL sides did not qualify they changed the rules&contracts so players had to represent IPL sides this only hurts INDIAN cricket as it again prevents Indians playin under pressure or learning form these competitions like the IPL as they always have superstars from aroun the wrld whether that is with the bat or ball to win the game & play the pressure situations! THE CLT20 could have been a brilliant tournament if it stuck to the finalists frm each Country &India had Domestic sides nt IPL so Indians could actually play and learn and take charge in a good standard of cricket instead it has been destroyed by $ & IPL which even has 4 sides that do not have to qualify whilst the solo W.I & other nations winners have to qualify depsite winnin their comp & with added insult without their best players! it won't last

  • POSTED BY ruhkungkuhtungkung on | October 5, 2012, 20:29 GMT

    To clarify: 1. Gayle does not play for TnT, he's Jamaican. 2. TnT players wanted to play for TnT, but the IPL teams would have remembered that and given them a hard time next year, so they were cowed into compliance with the IPL. 3. In light of that fact, TnT is fielding a weakened team, thus their chances of progressing and thus earning more money for the players is diminished, so it seems justified that they would ask for a portion of the money received from the IPL teams for the contracted players. Lost revenue to the TnT squad. And let's be totally clear, T20 is all about milking the cash cow dry, nobody is in it for pride and all that crud. Cricket used to be the gentleman's game, now it is huge money, with India at the epicentre. There is a bit of hypocrisy that everyone engages in that players should choose country over club (aka money) but not all countries pay the same amount to their players and who will take of the players when they retire or can't play anymore? Any one ofu?

  • POSTED BY on | October 5, 2012, 18:43 GMT

    @U.T.K.A.L the players have no choice in the matter or representing either country or club. the ipl rules clearly states that the ipl club has first prference over the players.

  • POSTED BY Jamdowner on | October 5, 2012, 17:23 GMT

    Why is Gayle's name mentioned in this discussion ?

  • POSTED BY mannatshergill on | October 5, 2012, 15:53 GMT

    where money enters, game get spoiled..ALWAYS and EVERYWHARE

  • POSTED BY on | October 5, 2012, 13:55 GMT

    What an ugly & embarrassing situation. Sad to c what WI cricket has degenerated into. Make money your God and it will plague U like the Devil. I hope they didn't pay them a cut cent. That money is for the development of TT & WI cricket. Maybe a TT school boys' tour to Eng, etc.

  • POSTED BY Mr.Infinity on | October 5, 2012, 12:56 GMT

    @ tauhid_aks That does not happen in Soccer because they have league seasons clashing with each other. In T20 Leagues that's not the case, we have short spanned league seasons. This allows players to play in multiple leagues without conflicting any of them and Problem occurs when multiple teams a player represent qualify for Champions league. I personally think it's a players decision about playing in which league as long as it's not conflicting nation team's interest (and his home league team is getting paid). But asking for money which the club got from transfers? That's ridiculous. :)

  • POSTED BY on | October 5, 2012, 12:10 GMT

    Why am I not surprised at any of this and why am I not surprised Ramnarine had somethin to do with it.

  • POSTED BY u.t.k.a.l on | October 5, 2012, 11:22 GMT

    In my view a player should play for his country not for another countries club.... so i feel ashamed of Gyale, Bravo, Pollard and Narine, these all guyz r mean.... T&T should not allow them for further matches...... i mean how can they ditch their own team ??? i feel sad for T&T... i am from INDIA .:)

  • POSTED BY on | October 5, 2012, 11:08 GMT

    why t&t will play clt20. Clt20 is for clubs not for a country.

  • POSTED BY RNH73 on | October 5, 2012, 10:47 GMT

    The TTCB should not see a precedent where they were held to ransom by a group of 5 ungrateful cricketers. Ramdin in his first foray as captain on an international stage should have been an instrument of unity rather than a pawn of destruction. The TTCB should strongly consider his removal as captain after this tournament. These players have no right or entitlement to transfer fees of other players, their ingratitude and selfishness is now for all to see

  • POSTED BY on | October 5, 2012, 9:25 GMT

    big question . WHERE IS GAYLE!!!!!!????

  • POSTED BY on | October 5, 2012, 9:09 GMT

    Westindeas players always did like that, they preferred their own money to countries cause. I have an example Shoaib Malik preferred to represent Sialkot Stallions rather than he could bye part of Uva Next but he preferred his own country.

  • POSTED BY Munkeymomo on | October 5, 2012, 8:35 GMT

    @nkoch: To be fair T&T and the rest of the Caribbean countries are in a unique position in that they are effectively domestic sides, so in reality they are considered the same as say, New South Wales or Cape Cobras, the only difference being a sense of national pride when playing for what is essentially a domestic team. Whilst the champions league highlights the problem of players playing for multiple clubs, removing this option would serve no purpose other than weakening most domestic leagues, probably leading to loss of interest, revenue and eventually, league managers making drastic changes or worse!

  • POSTED BY tauhid_aks on | October 5, 2012, 5:02 GMT

    Why do players get to play in so many clubs together at a time? Do we see Man U and Chelsea fighting for a Rooney or Lampard before the Champs League? Narine, Bravo and Pollard shud never b allowed to play in IPL, as they already represent T& T.

  • POSTED BY nkoch on | October 5, 2012, 3:01 GMT

    Utter disgraceful act. Countries should never allow players to prefer foreign local teams over own country team. Pollard, Bravo and Narine should play for T&T, not IPL teams. Monitory compensation to country board is simply not justified. World cricket is doomed!!

  • POSTED BY boyie83 on | October 5, 2012, 2:56 GMT

    Bravo, Pollard and Narine shouldn't be allow to play elsewhere... The money should be shared with the patriots!

  • POSTED BY Dashgar on | October 5, 2012, 2:49 GMT

    This tournament is about money and absolutely nothing else. BCCI know this and the players should realize it too. The entire tournament is just an ad for the IPL and should be banned until it is made fair for all cricketing nations' teams to be able to compete. I don't blame the players for chasing the money at all.

  • POSTED BY on | October 5, 2012, 2:46 GMT

    They are fully within their rights to ask such questions. Why should the Board be paid to allow some of its players to not represent their country, instead playing for the IPL teams, while the other players that DO play for their country end up in an understrength team missing their team members. They are the ones at a disadvantage - the board just cashes the cheques.

    @Imran Khan - what is wrong with these players from T & T? Nothing, considering they aren't the ones making in excess of 50 million dollars a year from sponsorships like MS Dhoni. If anything, the T&T players are the most humble, underpaid players. The IPL and India in general has done this to cricket players. Yay

  • POSTED BY on | October 5, 2012, 2:21 GMT

    we can conclude from this that money is really the devil, put it this way, play good, hard cricket and the money would come your way guys - don't look for it easy..

  • POSTED BY Burbon on | October 5, 2012, 2:06 GMT

    "Biting the hand that feeds you" "Creating a Monster" , anyone of those cliches would discribe these greedy Cricketers from T&T. Who is Ramdin in particular to demand money from anyone , maybe he thinks he could buy a run with the extra cash.

  • POSTED BY Greenhurricane on | October 5, 2012, 1:57 GMT

    Its not about country...champions league,ipl,slpl all are here for only one purpose and thats TO MAKE MONEY.And i don't blame players for trying to get a piece of pie too.....if they refuse playing for their COUNTRY then we have a problem.

  • POSTED BY on | October 5, 2012, 1:53 GMT

    WICB/Ramnarine; TTCB/Ramnarine. What is the common denominator here?

  • POSTED BY BetterReading on | October 5, 2012, 1:49 GMT

    So many West Indies players in CLT20. It would be fun to watch their aggressive batting style.

  • POSTED BY Heisenburg on | October 5, 2012, 1:48 GMT

    So many people whining about how players should play for their country, it's franchise T20 for christ sake, many of these players have cricket boards which don't pay them as much as richer boards, leave them alone.

  • POSTED BY on | October 5, 2012, 1:28 GMT

    I understand, makes sense. You can't take patriotism to the Supermarket.

  • POSTED BY on | October 5, 2012, 1:10 GMT

    I am disappointed by the players actions. Yes, I understand that they want money and stuff but at the same time it's not a club or franchise their playing for but their very own country. Are they choosing money over country? That's very unfortunate in my opinion, btw I'm from Trinidad and Tobago myself and I wish the guys best of luck and hope they bring back the trophy when they return !

  • POSTED BY Metman on | October 5, 2012, 0:41 GMT

    The TTCB allowed those players to represent their clubs instead of their country ? I thought all along that those players CHOSE clubs over Country.,and why that gang of 5 players want a cut of the money and not the whole team ? Someone needs to tell them that.... that money is for the development of cricket in TnT....maybe those players know something that we don.t know.

  • POSTED BY on | October 5, 2012, 0:16 GMT

    Our players are professional, regardless of pride et al, they should be paid accordingly...pride and patriotism does not put a roof over their heads...Go Brave Read Force....

  • POSTED BY boxer44 on | October 4, 2012, 22:56 GMT

    All these players forget about pride if country when the dollar sign flashes in front their eyes, same thing West Indies and England went thru with Gayle and KP

  • POSTED BY shafi ahmed on | October 4, 2012, 22:26 GMT

    Totally make sense. First of all board shouldnt let any players play outside of their team.

  • POSTED BY on | October 4, 2012, 21:42 GMT

    It's unusual for players from the Caribbean to be at loggerheads with various boards about money....

  • POSTED BY on | October 4, 2012, 21:26 GMT

    money issues again! what wrong with these players from T & T and Windies. Start winning first and then we can talk about money.

  • POSTED BY Cpt.Meanster on | October 4, 2012, 20:29 GMT

    It's a fair ask by the players and at the same time a bit of sour grapes as well. A good performance in the CLT20 for T&T and who knows, a few of them could be picked up by an IPL club next season. Good luck to T&T in the CLT20. They should qualify easily.

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  • POSTED BY Cpt.Meanster on | October 4, 2012, 20:29 GMT

    It's a fair ask by the players and at the same time a bit of sour grapes as well. A good performance in the CLT20 for T&T and who knows, a few of them could be picked up by an IPL club next season. Good luck to T&T in the CLT20. They should qualify easily.

  • POSTED BY on | October 4, 2012, 21:26 GMT

    money issues again! what wrong with these players from T & T and Windies. Start winning first and then we can talk about money.

  • POSTED BY on | October 4, 2012, 21:42 GMT

    It's unusual for players from the Caribbean to be at loggerheads with various boards about money....

  • POSTED BY shafi ahmed on | October 4, 2012, 22:26 GMT

    Totally make sense. First of all board shouldnt let any players play outside of their team.

  • POSTED BY boxer44 on | October 4, 2012, 22:56 GMT

    All these players forget about pride if country when the dollar sign flashes in front their eyes, same thing West Indies and England went thru with Gayle and KP

  • POSTED BY on | October 5, 2012, 0:16 GMT

    Our players are professional, regardless of pride et al, they should be paid accordingly...pride and patriotism does not put a roof over their heads...Go Brave Read Force....

  • POSTED BY Metman on | October 5, 2012, 0:41 GMT

    The TTCB allowed those players to represent their clubs instead of their country ? I thought all along that those players CHOSE clubs over Country.,and why that gang of 5 players want a cut of the money and not the whole team ? Someone needs to tell them that.... that money is for the development of cricket in TnT....maybe those players know something that we don.t know.

  • POSTED BY on | October 5, 2012, 1:10 GMT

    I am disappointed by the players actions. Yes, I understand that they want money and stuff but at the same time it's not a club or franchise their playing for but their very own country. Are they choosing money over country? That's very unfortunate in my opinion, btw I'm from Trinidad and Tobago myself and I wish the guys best of luck and hope they bring back the trophy when they return !

  • POSTED BY on | October 5, 2012, 1:28 GMT

    I understand, makes sense. You can't take patriotism to the Supermarket.

  • POSTED BY Heisenburg on | October 5, 2012, 1:48 GMT

    So many people whining about how players should play for their country, it's franchise T20 for christ sake, many of these players have cricket boards which don't pay them as much as richer boards, leave them alone.