Eng v Ind, 3rd Investec Test, Ageas Bowl, 5th day July 31, 2014

Dhoni defends four-bowler strategy

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'We need to be patient when using a four-bowler attack' - Dhoni

When Bob Dylan asked who killed Davey Moore, the answer was everyone involved with boxing. Yet they didn't want a finger pointed at them. MS Dhoni, after enduring a Test where everything went wrong, didn't mind pointing that finger. In Ishant Sharma's absence, the bowlers were flat. Forget 20, they didn't look like picking up 10 wickets. India's shoddy slip catching contributed to debutant Pankaj Singh ending up wicketless. The opening partnership is yet to add 50 outside Asia. The middle order got in and fell to soft dismissals. Mooen Ali taking six wickets against accomplished players of spin was the perfect riposte to Ishant's bouncing out of England's batsmen at Lord's.

"That's what international cricket is all about," Dhoni said. "It was not like we were expecting England to win. We knew they would come back strongly at us, and for us also it was a new challenge to keep the momentum going after the Lord's win. This Test showed some areas where we have to improve.

"To win Test matches, we need to take 20 wickets. But in this particular game we were not able to take even 10 wickets, and that was a setback to a certain extent. I thought our batsmen played the fast bowlers better, but we allowed Moeen to bowl his line and length. There was considerable amount of wear and tear on the pitch that went his way, and there were a lot of close-in fielders too. I just felt that we could have been a bit more positive against him."

Dhoni admitted the first two Tests might have taken a lot out of his bowlers. The casualty list included Ishant, who has been ruled out of the Old Trafford Test, and Bhuvneshwar Kumar also looked down on intensity on a pitch that didn't suit his put-it-there accurate bowling.

"I think Bhuvi seemed a bit tired," Dhoni said. "He came back nicely after that first spell, but I thought he was slightly on the shorter side. He got the right length in the first two Tests, but here he was slightly short. Apart from that I am quite happy with the effort put in by the fast bowlers. It was a different kind of wicket, where you have to hit the surface hard to get some purchase. That's where I found Pankaj very impressive. He is a tall guy and got a fair amount of bounce and was unlucky not to get a few wickets. Overall I am happy with him."

In the first innings, everyone in India's top seven, except Shikhar Dhawan, reached 20, but the top-score remained 54. Dhoni was obviously disappointed, but wasn't too fussed. "It will become a bit [of a] concern once it becomes repetitive," Dhoni said. "Let's hope that it doesn't become a habit. But the good thing is that the batsmen are getting good starts and hopefully they will convert those starts into big innings. Getting starts is more difficult that converting starts. Hopefully, they will come back strong."

Rohit Sharma slugging Moeen to mid-off five minutes before tea on the fourth day drew a lot of criticism, but he also had Dhoni's sympathy given India didn't want Moeen to settle. "You will go for your shots and get out at times," Dhoni said. "I am not really bothered about it because the attitude is more important. I think that's why he tried to step out and play Mooen. But you also have to choose your timing because if you have five or 10 minutes remaining for the tea or lunch then slightly curb your instincts. But overall I am happy with the way he [Rohit] went out to play his shots."

Dhoni rubbished the suggestion that picking Rohit and deviating from the new five-bowler strategy was a defensive plan to sit on the lead while Ishant missed the match. "[If playing extra bowlers is positive], then to be positive you should play eight bowlers in the next game," Dhoni said. "You also need to see the combination. You can have a third man and deep point, and that could be an aggressive option against someone like [Virender] Sehwag, and for other batsmen it may not be. It's all about how you look at it.

"In the first couple of games we played with that extra bowler, who was part of the side. But we never really used him to that extent, giving him only eight to 10 overs. That's the reason we thought of making our batting stronger by getting Rohit in. At the same time, he could also give us those eight to 10 overs or more. That was the thinking behind it, and we need to go back and think what's needed to be done according to the wicket for the next two Test matches."

Dhoni defended the opening combination, which could suggest another chance for Dhawan. "Vijay is batting well at the moment, and Shikhar is finding his tune now. It is not easy to come and score runs at every time, you need to work hard sometimes for your runs. The English bowlers were bowling well, especially [James] Anderson. They know exactly where to bowl, which line and length, in their home conditions. It will be a challenge for Shikhar to score runs here. In international cricket, the bowlers will try to find out your weak spot all the time. You need to learn to survive that and try to score runs."

Dhoni expects a stern test of character and fitness in the last two games, which will be played over a period of 13 days. "We have not played a five-match series before, but England have played five-match series earlier. So it will be a test of character for all of us, and our fitness also."

Sidharth Monga is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • spinkingKK on August 4, 2014, 6:19 GMT

    @OMANAKUTTANN, very valid point. Indian captains never make a sportive declaration (Except for Ravi Shastri in the only test match he captained). It is how we grew up. Somebody is always there to blame you when things don't work as expected. So, we always make sure that we don't get the blame, even if it means our gain is minimized.

  • here2rock on August 3, 2014, 23:38 GMT

    I ask Dhoni, is he the best choice for India in test matches? He has been a great servant for the Indian cricket, I would like to seem him continue in ODIs and T20s but he should consider his future in test matches outside India.

  • here2rock on August 3, 2014, 23:35 GMT

    Extra batsman also tends to lead to complacency in this side. Extra batsman in the team does not work as India found out especially if the opposition wins the toss, bat first on a good batting track and score big. Normally the first day in a test match is the best day to bat. Ideally an ideal test team should have 5 batsmen, one keeper batsman (I don't think Dhoni is the best choice at the moment), one all rounder and 4 bowlers. The Indian team for the 4th Test match should be, Vijay, Pujara, Kholi, Rahane, Rohit, Dhoni, Jadeja, Ashwin, Kumar, Pankaj and Varun. After Dhoni calls it a day, I would like to Naman Ojha and Amit Misra in the side instead of Jadeja and Dhoni but that will be in the future.

  • on August 3, 2014, 16:51 GMT

    GUYS GUYS GUYS! Please wake up! Our DHONI is clearly a strong character with extreme likes and dislikes. Once he dislikes, he NEVER forgets. Now, why should he select GAMBHIR? You do realize that if GAMBHIR succeeds, it could mean his Captains job. Burst is not yet ready! I can guarantee you, that GAMBHIR will only warm the benches, and return home, without playing a SINGLE test! Any takers for the bet???

  • on August 3, 2014, 15:37 GMT

    Kohli being out of form needs a little break too .he is too good a batsman to be lost to test cricket. I would say that Dhoni, Shami, Jadeja need some break too as they are going through lean patches too. I am sure with these changes slowly the team can gradually integrate into a world class team capable of delivering when needed. With some dedication , application and good commitment the team can turn into a fighting unit.

  • on August 3, 2014, 13:07 GMT

    We r not fully utilizing our resources that we have. In Ashwin we had a proven allrounder (action speaks louder than words - 100 wickets + 2 centuries and some fifties in test matches is no ordinary achievement ). Gambhir has been a proven test cricketer with fantastic and consistent batting performances . Other good capable and proven pacers in the squad could also have been utilized. In the current team - there are no less than 4 players including Kohli who have consistently failed in this series .

    Even readers have endorsed similar views. At this moment a total strategic change is necessary to integrate the indian team into a world class unit. Dhawan needs to rest in test matches and mature himself a bit more.

  • on August 3, 2014, 12:37 GMT

    Appears to me that Dhoni is not at all comfortable batting at 6. He doesn't have the technique, especially on pitches outside the sub-continent, and he realizes this. Since India does not have a genuine all-rounder like Kallis or even Watson who can bat within top 6, this leaves no option but to play 6 batsmen. We won't solve this problem till Dhoni retires from tests, allowing the team to have a wicket-keeper with better test batting skills (e.g. W. Saha) at no.6. Or some one like Bhuvi/Ashwin has to improve his batting significantly so that he can bat in the top 6 as a true all-rounder.

  • OMANAKUTTANN on August 3, 2014, 10:45 GMT

    No need to blame anyone and nobody wants to loose a test match.Tean management should pick the best eleven for a 5 day pitch and try to win the game. Don't expect pitch will bring a win. if it is dead pitch , players should change their mentality and try to win the game. For example at Trent bridge india should have to declare when the lead was around 260 and give bowlers to try for a win, Indiaan bowlers definitely missed match situation and i have never seen an Indian captain declare an innings at a win/ loose situation. time to change the mentality.

  • jo_n on August 3, 2014, 6:56 GMT

    Dhoni not ahead of the game in test matches. Bowlers are not bowling fast and aggressive because of heavy workload. 5 bowlers should be permanent for india in test matches

  • jo_n on August 3, 2014, 6:51 GMT

    5 bowlers in test is a must for india otherwise bowlers will be worn out before the series ends. Selectors are picking players by favouritism not by merit. Amit mishra, umesh yadhav, praveen kumar, irfan pathan are surely better than some of them picked. Praveen kumar, buvaneshwar, mishra, umesh, ashwin would have been better for english pitches.

  • spinkingKK on August 4, 2014, 6:19 GMT

    @OMANAKUTTANN, very valid point. Indian captains never make a sportive declaration (Except for Ravi Shastri in the only test match he captained). It is how we grew up. Somebody is always there to blame you when things don't work as expected. So, we always make sure that we don't get the blame, even if it means our gain is minimized.

  • here2rock on August 3, 2014, 23:38 GMT

    I ask Dhoni, is he the best choice for India in test matches? He has been a great servant for the Indian cricket, I would like to seem him continue in ODIs and T20s but he should consider his future in test matches outside India.

  • here2rock on August 3, 2014, 23:35 GMT

    Extra batsman also tends to lead to complacency in this side. Extra batsman in the team does not work as India found out especially if the opposition wins the toss, bat first on a good batting track and score big. Normally the first day in a test match is the best day to bat. Ideally an ideal test team should have 5 batsmen, one keeper batsman (I don't think Dhoni is the best choice at the moment), one all rounder and 4 bowlers. The Indian team for the 4th Test match should be, Vijay, Pujara, Kholi, Rahane, Rohit, Dhoni, Jadeja, Ashwin, Kumar, Pankaj and Varun. After Dhoni calls it a day, I would like to Naman Ojha and Amit Misra in the side instead of Jadeja and Dhoni but that will be in the future.

  • on August 3, 2014, 16:51 GMT

    GUYS GUYS GUYS! Please wake up! Our DHONI is clearly a strong character with extreme likes and dislikes. Once he dislikes, he NEVER forgets. Now, why should he select GAMBHIR? You do realize that if GAMBHIR succeeds, it could mean his Captains job. Burst is not yet ready! I can guarantee you, that GAMBHIR will only warm the benches, and return home, without playing a SINGLE test! Any takers for the bet???

  • on August 3, 2014, 15:37 GMT

    Kohli being out of form needs a little break too .he is too good a batsman to be lost to test cricket. I would say that Dhoni, Shami, Jadeja need some break too as they are going through lean patches too. I am sure with these changes slowly the team can gradually integrate into a world class team capable of delivering when needed. With some dedication , application and good commitment the team can turn into a fighting unit.

  • on August 3, 2014, 13:07 GMT

    We r not fully utilizing our resources that we have. In Ashwin we had a proven allrounder (action speaks louder than words - 100 wickets + 2 centuries and some fifties in test matches is no ordinary achievement ). Gambhir has been a proven test cricketer with fantastic and consistent batting performances . Other good capable and proven pacers in the squad could also have been utilized. In the current team - there are no less than 4 players including Kohli who have consistently failed in this series .

    Even readers have endorsed similar views. At this moment a total strategic change is necessary to integrate the indian team into a world class unit. Dhawan needs to rest in test matches and mature himself a bit more.

  • on August 3, 2014, 12:37 GMT

    Appears to me that Dhoni is not at all comfortable batting at 6. He doesn't have the technique, especially on pitches outside the sub-continent, and he realizes this. Since India does not have a genuine all-rounder like Kallis or even Watson who can bat within top 6, this leaves no option but to play 6 batsmen. We won't solve this problem till Dhoni retires from tests, allowing the team to have a wicket-keeper with better test batting skills (e.g. W. Saha) at no.6. Or some one like Bhuvi/Ashwin has to improve his batting significantly so that he can bat in the top 6 as a true all-rounder.

  • OMANAKUTTANN on August 3, 2014, 10:45 GMT

    No need to blame anyone and nobody wants to loose a test match.Tean management should pick the best eleven for a 5 day pitch and try to win the game. Don't expect pitch will bring a win. if it is dead pitch , players should change their mentality and try to win the game. For example at Trent bridge india should have to declare when the lead was around 260 and give bowlers to try for a win, Indiaan bowlers definitely missed match situation and i have never seen an Indian captain declare an innings at a win/ loose situation. time to change the mentality.

  • jo_n on August 3, 2014, 6:56 GMT

    Dhoni not ahead of the game in test matches. Bowlers are not bowling fast and aggressive because of heavy workload. 5 bowlers should be permanent for india in test matches

  • jo_n on August 3, 2014, 6:51 GMT

    5 bowlers in test is a must for india otherwise bowlers will be worn out before the series ends. Selectors are picking players by favouritism not by merit. Amit mishra, umesh yadhav, praveen kumar, irfan pathan are surely better than some of them picked. Praveen kumar, buvaneshwar, mishra, umesh, ashwin would have been better for english pitches.

  • wolf777 on August 2, 2014, 18:49 GMT

    "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein defining Insanity. Look at India's results when they used only four bowlers in overseas tours...4 loss in England, 3 loss in Australia (4 bowlers were used in Perth), 1 loss in NZ and 1 loss in SA. India was able to draw 2 games (SA almost won one of the two!) and there are no wins. Why continue with the same combination that is not a winner?

  • barryrichardsfan on August 2, 2014, 18:20 GMT

    vijay pujara gambhir kohli rahane dhoni ashwin bhuvneshwar Aaron Pandey Pankaj. Quite clearly knowing the inability of bowling unit on many fronts, MS does not seem to learn. An inform Gambhir is the guy whom India need as an aggressive leader in tests.

  • on August 2, 2014, 16:22 GMT

    I don't know why people blame everything on Dhoni Just go to your flashback, Has he failed in his Bating or keeping. Answer is BIG NO. of course he failed in picking right team in this test. but Dhoni is Brilliant captain I have seen in my experience (I am watching and hearing(commentary in radio) cricket more than 35 years). Mr Cool is Right Choice for Captain.

  • Nampally on August 2, 2014, 16:18 GMT

    My advise to Dhoni is to understand that a Test match needs 5 Bowlers to WIN. It could be a combination of 4 seamers + 1 spinner- with one Bowling all rounder. Every country in the world follows this approach. It is insane to blame bowlers wen you select just 3 specialist bowlers for a 5 day test match. You can play 7 Batsmen only if you have 4 genuine bowlers who are all wkt. takers NOT just keeping down runs. India has 6 pace bowers in the squad -Kumar, Shami, Aaron, Pankaj, Ishant & Pandey. If Ishant is injured, you bring in Aaron the only genuine fast bowler India has. Military medium pace of Bunny is useless. So Get Aaron in XI along with Pankaj. Kumar, Shami or Pandey as 4 seamers. Ashwin who has 100+ Test wkts should be the 5th bowler-spinner. He is the #1 choice ahead of Binny or Jadeja. If Dhoni wants only 4 bowlers then 3 seamers + Ashwin. If you Restrict England to <350 with 5 bowlers- 6 Batsmen can win. But Giving 600 runs with 3 bowlers even 8 Batsmen cannot WIN!

  • ShanNachimuthu on August 2, 2014, 16:13 GMT

    Dhoni should realize that the 4 bowler strategy making his bowler not only physically but also mentally tired in quick time even under helpful conditions. Adding extra batsman induces the complacency among batsmen which lead to soft dismissals. Also all these injury concerns due to this 4 bowler strategy. Dhoni asks what if the fifth bowler did not take wicket. But he should also acknowledge the fact if Six batsmen can't do then 7th also can't, which is what happened in 3rd test match. The 5th bowler can at least reduce the workload, which should be carefully dealt in such a long 5 match test series. But Ashin is not that bad 5th bowler,who can also contribute much better than Rohit with his bat. If Moeen can do it against so called best spin batting then Ashwin can also do something against this new line ENG batsmen. Dhoni is too smart for test cricket. He wanted to be different but he should be more positive then being different.

  • on August 2, 2014, 13:55 GMT

    @vrkp , u said exactly right..bhuvi really over bowled getting into sore ankle..He is not that bowler who bowls 35 overs under 4 bowling combination just a stubborn to him affected his performance and fitness , bhuvi is a quality bowler use him in short spells, also a mindful skillfull batsman like rahane. .so 4 fast bowlers bhuvi ( allrounder) , shami, pandey, Aaron, ashwin ( all rounder) ideal in this circumstances in absence of umesh yadav and praveen kumar kind of bowlers..

  • on August 2, 2014, 11:38 GMT

    simple. india is nt playing the best 11. gambhir, ashwin and a grinding wicket keeper batsman in place of dhawan, rohit and ms. i am a big fan of msd. but hes the real weak link of the team interms of batting and captaining. infact the win at lords was nt tht india won by good balling. it was bizzare battong by england. right test captain will b gauti or kholi.

  • Prasanth4randy on August 2, 2014, 11:20 GMT

    India should call umesh yadav for the remaining test matches because he god pace and can bowl consistantly at 140kph,he also has decent test record 32wkt in 9 test matches.umesh yadav is way better than aaron,ishwar and pankaj

  • vrkp on August 2, 2014, 9:04 GMT

    the one and only reason why we lost the 3rd test and most likely get further thrashing in the last two tests is the 'Team selection'. Eventhough the 4 bowler theory failed in almost every match in the last 3 years Dhoni is adamant in continuing with his failed formula. Now thanks to this stupid selection, we lost the most valuable player in this series with both bat and ball is not going to play.

    this is like killing the golden goose.

    MSD please either retire from Tests or change your mode of captaincy.

    My XI for the next test is Vijay & Ashwin as openers, then Kohli, pujara, Rahane, Binny, Dhoni, Jadeja, Aaron, Pankaj, Shami/Ishwar.

    You have 6 bowlers and batsmen upto 8. Binny haven't done anything worse than Rohit. If he is given responsibility i think he will do better than Nohit. Kohli should be tried at 3 where he normally bats in ODI. Also, please call for Umesh as a backup for Ishant. At least he can play the 5th test.

  • Triceratops on August 2, 2014, 8:17 GMT

    Surely the captain and coach know it better, but the four bowler theory defies logic. Stuart Binny would have been able to relieve some pressure from Bhuvi and Shami had he been in the team for the Southampton Test. OK, military medium is not effective in the conditions, but how do you not have a frontline tweaker like Ashwin in the team? I completely agree with EAS Prasanna that Jadeja is not our frontline spinner, but only a stock bowler. Few changes are needed for the Old Trafford test. Binny, Ashwin and Gambhir should come in for Bhuvi (injury), Rohit and Dhawan. If Ashwin can be asked to warm the bench, so can Dhawan be!

  • captkantor on August 2, 2014, 3:23 GMT

    Look you cannot reason with a Mediocre captain who thinks he is the greatest. For some sanity you need a different captain and coach. Both are useless. Lot of people wll fling Lord's victory, but in our shortsighted memory we forget we won because of taileneders and poor batting by england not exceptional bowling by india. We also forget but for Stuart Binny's innings in first test we could be down 2-1 now. In fact 2nd test could have gone either way and we could actually be down 3-0. Before jumping to praise Dhoni or fletcher, we should stop and actually think nothing has changed. they are both still a very low end options in test cricket.

  • on August 1, 2014, 15:36 GMT

    IPL effect... Effect of playing ample of T20... couldnot remind last when india played a 5 test series.... Players arent fit to play succha long series..... Ishant out... bhuvi in confusion.... batsman are getting run like 30-40.... Lot to see in next two matches

  • on August 1, 2014, 14:23 GMT

    Dhoni is the worst Indian test captain I can ever remember and that's all I want to say.

  • venbas on August 1, 2014, 14:00 GMT

    There were too many baggage's in the team. Guys like Ishant, Rahane and Bhuvi were masking over the cracks in the first 2 tests and it all came apart in the 3rd. Pankaj singh is no Aswhin by any stretch of imagination. The merry go lucky cavaliers like Dhawan and Rohit are nowhere near the caliber of a fighter like Gambhir or Saha. The less said about Binny, Dhoni and Jadeja the better. On top of this Pujara and Kohli were woefully out of form for a Top order batsman. With 6-7 non performers in any given game, Indian should thank the English team for their generosity in earlier games. From hereon I only see the scoreline as 3-1 in Englands favor so long as MSD is steadfast in retaining the same baggage with a ostrich like head-in-sand approach to danger.

  • on August 1, 2014, 13:21 GMT

    England got the advantage by winning the toss and made sure that they are not going to bat in the last innings,which will help Jadeja and it proved by moeen Ali and Jadeja in 3 rd and fourth innings, Indian slip fielding was pathetic not of a test standard which drops Cook and Butler, then the poor decision in favour of Bell when he was at 0 These are the causes of indian defeats, more over Indian batters need to show more application

  • Kashi0127 on August 1, 2014, 13:17 GMT

    High Time Dhoni is sacked as captain, wicket keeper, batsman and cricketer for tests

  • on August 1, 2014, 13:04 GMT

    well.choice.iswerpandy.next.test

  • rajcl on August 1, 2014, 13:02 GMT

    @ Vaibhav Joshi .. OH MY GOD r u kidding man most comfortable batsman Rahane not ur in team for next match

  • Absolutelycricket on August 1, 2014, 12:25 GMT

    why the hell Umesh yadav was not picked up on these swinging pitches?

  • STRIKETHUNDER on August 1, 2014, 12:23 GMT

    Dhoni = Worst Indian Captain Ever.

  • on August 1, 2014, 11:55 GMT

    Dhoti is the best captain and wicketkeeper batsman India ever produced and probably the best captain in the world today. Gambier should play. Koholi is the best batsman in the world. Pujara has the best average. India will bounce back and there are some bad days.

  • AltafPatel on August 1, 2014, 11:52 GMT

    Using 5th bowler helps breaking partnerships. Failure of breaking partnership of Bell-Ballance and Bell-Butler is proof of Dhoni's flawful strategy. This is his 5th tour after four failures, he need to learn accepting fault and correcting them, by putting ego aside.

  • on August 1, 2014, 11:48 GMT

    After the drubbing in Southampton.... Team India needs to ring in the changes.... Dhawan has had his chances in this series without making an impact... In Southampton, he could not see out day 2 in the FIRST INNINGS, and was also dismissed before the close on day 4 in the SECOND INNINGS..... Rohit Sharma showed a lack of applicaton in both innings; suggesting he is a ONE-DAY PLAYER...... Shami has not looked threatening..... while Pankaj bowled his heart out without any rewards..... Ishwar Pandey should replace one of them...

    So my XI for OLD TRAFFORD will be: 1. Gambhir 2. Vijay 3. Pujara 4. Kohli 5. Rahane 6. Dhoni (c&wk) 7. Jadeja 8. Ashwin 9. B Kumar 10. I Pandey 11. Pankaj Singh

    India will 5 specialist bowlers to get 20 wickets.... The batting is also strengthened with Bhuvi at no.9..... Once Ishant is fit then you can drop Pankaj to fit in Rohit Sharma in the XI for the FIFTH TEST...... So I Pandey and Pankaj Singh will make way for Ishant & Rohit Sharma for the FIFTH TEST

  • on August 1, 2014, 11:45 GMT

    why is ishwar pandey not playing. he can be a good choice in the conditions at england. i wish he plays in the next test

  • Rajcrick1707 on August 1, 2014, 11:38 GMT

    Ashwin can score more run than Rohit and he can take wicket also. Dhoni is wrong most of the time in test matches. Jadeja fluke batting is not going to work every time.

  • Realistic_cri_fan on August 1, 2014, 11:10 GMT

    Four changes for next match:

    NAMAN OJHA for MS DHONI.Gambhir for Dhawan.Ashwin for Rohit.Aaron/Pandey for Shami. Team

    XI:Vijay,Gambhir(c),Pujara,Kohli,Rahane,Ojha,Ashwin,Jadeja,Bhuvi,Aaron/Pandey,Pankaj.

  • on August 1, 2014, 11:07 GMT

    Hi All,

    Commanding on Dhoni will do nothing. Hopefully we can see the expected changes on upcoming innings.

    Comeon india. we can do it !!

    Best Test Batting is :

    1. Vijay. 2. Gambhir. 3. Rahena. 4. Kholi. 5. Dhoni. 6. Pujara. 7. Aswin. 8. Bhuvi. 9. Jadaja. 10.Ishant/I.Pandey. 11. V.Aroan.

    Best England VS India ODI Batting:

    1. Vijay. 2. Utthappa/Shewag. 3. Kholi. 4. Yuvi. 5. Dhoni. 6. Raina. 7. Rohit/Binny/Can get some fast bowler Here. 8. Aswin. 9. Jadeja. 10. I.Sharma/I.Pandey/M.Sharma. 11. Bhuvi.

    All the best india for upcoming Test and ODI's.

  • on August 1, 2014, 11:07 GMT

    Rahane and Vijay need to open. You need proper front foot and back foot technique to open. Dhawan needs to sit out and possibly fly back. Rohit (as #5) and Ashwin both need to be included. This will give Dhoni tremendous flexibility. You need people who are matchwinners along with great technique. Rahane, Vijay, Pujara, Kolhi, Sharma will provide solidity. Even if there is a run out or some freak wicket, it wont result into a collapse. After this Dhoni et al can either provide resistance or make quick runs. There is no point in going backwards and playing Gambhir.

  • ShanNachimuthu on August 1, 2014, 11:01 GMT

    1. Vijay, 2.Gambir, 3.Pujara(C), 4.Kholi, 5.Rahane, 6. Saha, 7. Jadeja, 8.Ashwin, 9.Bhuvi, 10. Shami, 11.Pankaj.

  • ShanNachimuthu on August 1, 2014, 10:57 GMT

    Looks like MSD is happy with everyone in this side. Though the outcome, of his poor strategy of not picking 5 bowlers to take 20 wickets, is a defeat, he is happy with his team. He defends his team selection though this team is not able win even a single session, he is happy with team. He mentioned everyone in the team and told that he is happy with him. But he forgot to mention about him. Looks like he is not happy with himself and he thinks to keep himself out for next two matches. But this will not happen, without him there will be nothing too much to talk about. As MSD is happy with everyone in this team he will not change this 'Happy Bunch' for next match and this 'Happy' story will continue. His last media interaction hints that this English summer is 'too hot' for MSD!!! Oil bath would help!!! LOL.

  • RipalParmar1 on August 1, 2014, 10:55 GMT

    Whatever changes India make, England are going to rip them off in the next two tests because they have worked out the weaknesses of Indian players and going to target them. To be honest, there is not a single player in the team has got that temperament to playing long innings on bouncy pitches outside the sub-continent. Bhuv Kumar is the only player has shown some character of threatening opposition with his bowling. Pujara is a good player but can't see him scoring the same runs outside India. Jadeja is just an IPL spinner and most of the players have too much effect of IPL on them. Kohli is just an over-rated player but can't play big innings in the test.

  • B.R.K.R on August 1, 2014, 10:45 GMT

    1. vijay 2. gambhir 3. pujara 4. kohli 5. rahane 6. dhoni 7. jaddu 8. ashwin 9. bhuvi 10. aaron 11. pankaj

  • pollachiprakash on August 1, 2014, 10:43 GMT

    kholi has to bat he is unable to score even a fifty in 5 innings here even shami hit a fifity .

  • on August 1, 2014, 10:39 GMT

    It is not 4 or 5 bowlers, but how you deal with them in flat conditions. India lost on 2nd day when Dhoni was toying for long time with one over spells, which did not make any sense in English conditions. India could have restricted England to less than 400 if they had a proactive captain. Dhoni's Godfather Srinivasan is gone, can Selectors take a brave step to resurrect India's future. Better captain and selections can do wonders. Just you could see Ganguly's impacts with his team in 2002 series.

  • on August 1, 2014, 10:26 GMT

    ok MSD is fine but what abt virat kozhi which is very strange if Binny did not shine in his first match he was removed instantly. But Virat is given so many chances. But Jadeja is not fielder in the slips. In the Slips there should be specialist. This Dhoni should decide not us. Bowlers y ashwin is not in. Gambhir is jus sitting in the benches. India were world class spinners but now all the countries have better spinners than India. Raina is missing in action. OMG. Please do something.

  • on August 1, 2014, 10:22 GMT

    England outplayed India to win convincingly. Poor Ashwin warmed the benches whilst part time bowler Ali routed India. I think Gambhir & Ashwin should come into the side for the next test

  • coolpint on August 1, 2014, 10:14 GMT

    Dhoni has become too defensive, biased and umimaginative as a captain of late. Firstly, why on earth would you want to change a winning team, whether players performed or not, the exception being unavidable injuries, as was rhe case with Ishant. Binny should have been retained as he experienced a win and would have been more confident than those coming in from the cold witout any recent match experience. The bias in Dhoni was apparent in his handling of Binny, who needed to be shown some degree of confidence and faith by the captain. Dhone should not forget that without Binny's contibution in ths second innings of the first test, India would have lost that test! The sooner Dhoni plays without bias the better it will be for Indian cricket.

  • cktspirit on August 1, 2014, 10:09 GMT

    @ramli, I am surprised. You think Dhoni has done well with the bat !!. Look at his stats 169 runs in 6 innings @ 28.16. We need to rethink, opportunities to bowl were not given to Binny, Aswin has been sitting outside. How can you expect Rohit Sharma and Jadeja to win matches, this is neither T20 nor ODI.

    Unforunately Dhoni has not excelled in any department so far: batting, keeping or captaincy.

  • rnkbornfree on August 1, 2014, 9:53 GMT

    Dhoni should himself retire from test or else selection committee should do the honours bring back sehwag and zaheer still they have cricket in them make gambhir captain give young sanju samson chance bring kamran khan young fast bowler (no body even knows about him hero for rajastan royals ) poor selection committee and dhonis ego making india suffer an heavy loss..........

  • on August 1, 2014, 9:40 GMT

    Get Narman Ojha in place of Rohit. Atleast Gambhir or Uthappa or Narman for Shikar. Give shami a rest. Ishant anyway is injured. Pankaj will get lucky. And where are the great spinners? Don't see anyone who can trouble the English. Or atleast ask the bowlers to wear Mitch Johnson's shirt.

    MSD so if your bowlers are tired then why did you not pick Aswin?

    How can you drop Binny who saved the first test?

    Why is Rohit there? He only does well in shorter formats.

    Can't you see that only Rahane and Vijay are in form? Shikar is struggling and Pujara and Kohli are not converting starts.

    MSD is a wasted bat in tests.

  • on August 1, 2014, 9:10 GMT

    Please bring gautam gambhir in. Sikhar dhawan is not fit for this format....

  • Rajiv007 on August 1, 2014, 8:43 GMT

    We won the last TEST not because of Dhoni's brilliance its because England played badly and anyone with some cricketing brain will know and now when England played well we are bound to lose. Please DHoni if you are not interested to play TEST don't just go on just to prolong your career...its very unfair to Gambhir who is a far attacking captain tha Dhoni and he knows that that why he will not give chance to him. Just one fluke win and our fans kept jumping and forgot that it came after 2.5 years!!!

  • Amarjitmadan on August 1, 2014, 8:11 GMT

    MSD seems to h ave turned philosophical like getting starts is more difficult and can be converted into big scores than not getting a start, to me it is a puzzle! If he is happy with Rohit despite this performance then there is a lot more than what meets the eye. Ghambir should have been taken to open the innings with Vijay and Dhawal who has been found wanting with moving fast bowl shifted to 5,6 or 7 depending on the situation he may have scored lot better but our friend doesn't want to think outside his very small circle. Shami should have been dropped and replaced Varuna and 11th place should have gone to Ashwin who not only is a clever bowler but also can give you a forty or so which is decent. Lastly slip cordon one of the most hilarious in World cricket, Dhawan and Jadeja is a waste there and should not be blamed for sharp missed catches for he is an outstanding away fielder from cover gully to any part of ground, and has taken some outstanding catches.

  • on August 1, 2014, 8:10 GMT

    Four bowler strategy is perfectly fine but India is lacking in right combination. With England having six left handers..Ashwin should be regular and Jadeja an option. Also in an extra batsman was to be added Gambhir should have been in the XI before Rohit. Gambhir would have opened with Vijay and Dhawan could have been one down....that would add one more leftie in the team. If Ishant is not available for next one...Ishwar Pandey should come in for Shami....My XI for next test would be Gauti,Vijay, Dhawan, Pujara, Kohli, Dhoni, Ashwin, Jadeja/ Binny/ Rohit, Pankaj, Bhuvi, Ishant/ Ishwar..

  • ramli on August 1, 2014, 8:10 GMT

    Blaming MSD on retrospective analysis is wrong... The 3rd test result was purely because England batted very well and India just did not in spite of an extra batsman ... Eng bowling was just as it was in previous tests but India batting was a let down this time ... also, India bowled with reduced intensity ... what is worrying is that this team did not even compete in this test unlike before ... there will be a lot of changes for the next test for sure contrary to whatever MSD says in the press conference ...

  • on August 1, 2014, 8:06 GMT

    @Muru, cannot agree with you more. Firstly, the tittle itself is weird. How can you defend a 4 bowler strategy when you are playing only 3 1/2 bowlers. Time and again Dhoni insists on Jadeja in the team where he has no place at all. And Including Dhoni himself, India are effectively putting only 9 players on the pitch. How can you expect to win the game?

    And stop criticizing Rohit for God's sake. Yes he failed but he still has a long way ahead of him. What he needs is people getting off his back everytime he fails and give him some breathing space. Only if he enjoyed 10% the leeway Dhoni gets, only if.

    Until Dhoni goes, heart breaks will be a common theme with this team.

  • ramli on August 1, 2014, 8:01 GMT

    @kbza86 ... MSD scored 82 in first test and 50 in third test, both in times of duress ... do you expect him to bail out India every time? That is for the frontline batsmen ... if everyone gets a start and leaves, you don't total enough to win matches ... some amount of responsibility must be there among frontline batsmen ... however pessimistic one can be, MSD still is the best wicket-keeper batsman India has produced across all formats of cricket till date ... of-course, one has to look-out for an alternative very soon (meaning after WC-2015)

  • on August 1, 2014, 7:53 GMT

    I think Indian side can't win a overseas test series because of the paucity of genuine fast bowler. Sharma, Bhuvi or Shami are not match winners. Although Sharma took 7 in second test but still he is not good enough to win series for the side. On the other hand indian batting is also not classy in overseas. records tells it all.

  • baji003 on August 1, 2014, 7:50 GMT

    Bringing ashwin will never change anything, even though i am a CSK fan, have to accept that mystery in his bowling already a open book and away test record is very poor. My team selection preference would be, Rahane,Vijay,kohli,pujara,rohith,dhoni,jadeja,pandey,pankaj,bhuvi,shami. part times would be rohith & kohli , kohli can play duminy role atleat , if he cant contribute with runs, and if cannot drop him as he is star player. Kohli should promoted and should 1 down as his favourite position.

  • Nandu_Athadu on August 1, 2014, 7:50 GMT

    hope dhoni thinks wisely in selecting the team. Drop Dhawan n give Gambhir a chance. Include 5th bowler in place of Rohit..either binny or Ashwin based on the pitch.. Shami looks out of sorts and not at all threatening. Try Varon in place of Shami. We dont have to worry about batting as we know the class of Pujara and Kohli..They will surely bounce back. Bowling needs to be put a thought to win or at least draw the game. As the days progressing, Dhoni's place in the test team is fast becoming a matter of concern in the away tests.. He must quickly decide what he wants to do about this. Another major matter of concern is Slip catching. India has to seriously think about this. try Rahane, Pujara, Vijay at slips. They have the ingredients to be a good slip fielders. All the best team India. We are with you.

  • on August 1, 2014, 7:43 GMT

    Inida need only one change?. remove dhoni and result will follow after that.. please mak gauti as test caption...

  • Nandu_Athadu on August 1, 2014, 7:41 GMT

    this match is yet an example of Dhoni's poor team selection. When you are 1-0 up in a series you would go for the kill, but dhoni choose to be playing for the draw. This was evident from the team selection on the first day..Picking Rohit at the expense of a Seam bowling allrounder you are indicating the opposition your tactics for the match which is playing for the draw. To win a test match you need to take 20 wickets and once you know that last match hero is not fit to play you need to strengthen your bowling dept over batting. of the lot only Bhuvi looked like taking wickets, Shami n Jaddu were not in form and you cant expect a debutant to start taking the wickets from the word GO. Dhoni has to understand that Indian dont have the arsenal to take 20 wickets in test match with 4 bowler strategy.Yes Biiny didnt bowl in the first test becoz of the pitch condition in 1st test and in 2nd test it was Dhoni who didnt use Binny..You need to have fast bowling allrounder to use in OFF days.

  • Naresh28 on August 1, 2014, 7:21 GMT

    India has an abundance of talent in the batting department while choosing bowlers has become a nightmare. We have failed ever since Kumble retired. The batting talent like - Naman Ohja, Manoj Tiwari, R Uthappa to name just a few. Dhawan, Rohit sharma are a waste in test cricket.

  • on August 1, 2014, 7:14 GMT

    Well he always defends that's the problem ;)

  • MagazineReader on August 1, 2014, 7:14 GMT

    Not aligned with the field plan through out the match, Not get alerted though it was a sign when Vijay was running slowly in the first innings when Virat called for a single, Vijay and Pujara were only tend to score in tandem, it seems only a matter of only [..266-167=99-[95-15]80=]19 run defeat. So apart from the heavy feeling this team can still prove if the Batted calmly... Otherwise rest one or two players [like Vijay/Dhawan and Bhuvi/Shami] to give chance to Gambhir,Binny/Ashwin,Varun.

  • on August 1, 2014, 7:12 GMT

    "At the same time, he could also give us those eight to 10 overs or more"..Whats with Dhoni and part timers..i guess one day captaincy is hurting him badly ..you don't win test matches with part timers , Moeen ali bowled FAAAR better than Rohit and Jadeja ..it is not a one dayer where you are trying to fill in the blanks with someone who can roll his arm over..we need specialists bowlers ..Get rid of dhawan/rohit .. ..Move Rahane to open .. ..get ashwin in .it is not rocket science that English players are not very good against quality spin

  • Niranjan8 on August 1, 2014, 7:12 GMT

    India need some high speed quality pace bowlers if they want to win a test series in overseas. The previous test perfomance was worst in England and very pathetic. India team should be like below if India need to win against England. Opening: Murali, Rahena Middle Order: Virat, Pujara, Rohit, Dhoni Bowler: Umesh Jadav, Varun Arun, Isanth Sharma, Bhubaneswar Kumar, Harabhajan Sign.

  • cktspirit on August 1, 2014, 7:11 GMT

    "I think Bhuvi seemed a bit tired,"

    "In the first couple of games we played with that extra bowler, who was part of the side. But we never really used him to that extent, giving him only eight to 10 overs."

    It is admitting his own folly, two bowlers are stretched to the extent one is out and the there is on the verge of it. Is there a good reason not to use a fifth bowler. A lot of blame should go to Dhoni for the debacle, with ridiculous team selection. Better guys sitting out and utility folks trying to win a match !!!

    I am surprised Dhoni saw a good attitude in this match from India, we got to be honest, India did not even seem to attempt to win.

  • on August 1, 2014, 7:01 GMT

    Eshwar Pandey should given chance.

  • srinideva on August 1, 2014, 7:00 GMT

    @ BINNY is really fortunate to play 2 test matches for India. He is not good enough to be in the Test side. Dhoni selected him for the sake of an All rounder who bowl some seam up deliveries. ROHIT and also known as Nohit is not a good option in the overseas tours...Dhoni is trying to make Jadeja as an allrounder for india while there is talented Ashwin waiting for his chance.

  • kbza86 on August 1, 2014, 7:00 GMT

    When do you stop picking someone because they're captain!!!???? How is MS Dhoni contributing to this already weekend Indian team!!?? why is ms Dhoni still in the team? is he picked as a specialist batsman?? or keeper? he is playing like he is wearing the chennai super kings uniform....I don't believe in picking someone just to captain...He always has an excuse why they lose!! Has he ever said anything about his contribution to the team? The tours to SA NO and now Eng. ..what has he contributed to the twsm??? cook has felt the pressure and now starting to contribute, I think he should be treated the same...

  • Dilmah82 on August 1, 2014, 6:52 GMT

    He never use dthe 5th bowler because of his poor captaincy...here with Ishant, his most experienced bowler out, he needed 5 bowlers! He needs to get his selections right instead of being defensive

  • chandimasl on August 1, 2014, 6:44 GMT

    I am a Sri Lankan and I really appreciate Dhoni as a captain. Because he is a better captain in the shorter format of the game.But when it comes to Tests it is quite different and Dhoni is struggling a little bit.

    I feel if India can appoint a new captain for tests it will be ideal. It can be Kohli. becuase he is young and immensly talented. And also by the time when Dhoni rtires from all the formats Kohli must have matured enough to take over the captaincy in all formats. Dhoni should focus on the shorter format. India has a better wicket keeper batsman. Naman Ojha. I saw he has scored heavily in Australia. So he can be a good investment.

  • niazbhi on August 1, 2014, 6:37 GMT

    If we pick 11 best player for a test team (without considering captaincy), Dhoni cannot keep his place. Guys like Uthappa, Saha, Sanju are better batsmen(in tests). Dhoni's keeping is not as crisp any more.

    Dhoni is right about one thing. Ashwin is not an automatic selection over Jadeja. Even in this series Jadeja has got wickets, checked runs (he has not been perfect, but his record is ok for an indian spinner on foreign land and much better than Ashwin's away record). Both Jadeja and Ashwin are non conventional bowlers. They do not have a fixed length like Moeen. They depend on their variations a lot. India preferred them over Ojha and Misra. Was it a mistake? I doubt that.

  • on August 1, 2014, 6:33 GMT

    Arjun Calidas you took words out of my month. Dhoni is a great limited overs captain but a very poor test captain. There is a saying that "a captain is as a good as his team" . I add a "captain is as good as his team he selects". Wicket taking bowlers win you test matches and not containing bowlers. I am sure Dhoni will field the same XI for the next match.

  • sreehk on August 1, 2014, 6:32 GMT

    If Ian Chappel were doing job appraisal of Dhoni, he would have fired Dhoni from playing 11, leave alone captaincy. A person who likes to hide himself behind every opportunity like never plays a responsible test innings or promotes to fight the opposition lead the way for team. NEVER. His after match reasons are rubbish and just spins around some negative theories as if the moves he made were to answer critics rather than aimed at winning the match. CLEARLY, Dhoni's player selection, Dhoni's captaincy strategies, Dhoni's mind set of waiting defensive game, Dhoni's batting at Test level are all severely questionable. Otherwise without your main bowler Ishant and without a genuine spinner, Dhoni went in with 3 bowler strategy, forget 4. Nothing can ever justify this and yet Dhoni defends it by spinning some story. Selectors must drop Dhoni.

  • PaddynairBlr on August 1, 2014, 6:30 GMT

    With due respect to MS Dhoni,I disagree with his four bowler theory.Stuart Binny is a part time bowler.We need a full time bowler and the batsmen would just have to accept the responsibility.The Indian batting is quite good and post reasonable totals of 300-350 etc.Only one real failure and that too because the situation is hopeless-BECAUSE the bowlers keep conceding 600 plus runs

    It is a delight to bat against India.Lords was an exception

    Also feel that Kohli should now become Test Captain.Agree with Ian Chappell

  • ExcuseMaster on August 1, 2014, 6:28 GMT

    Read an interesting comment from excuse maker DHONI.....he says we let Moeen bowl well....so does that mean Engalnd let Ishant bowl well last test....so ordinary bowlers like ishant can be hero is oppositions let him bowl well....shame on you Dhoni....I could see Moeen gave his full to make what happened yesterday...that is your DEFEAT... Give credit where it deserves and let it be their time now....

  • on August 1, 2014, 6:27 GMT

    when cook was not performing england were bad team now all of sudden when captain starts to perform england look different team all together. i saw dhoni batting and he is not able to play swinging ball outside off sump. this will be dhoni disaster tour as far as his batting is concerned and dhoni let his whole team down because he is captain, i am sorry to say this but dhoni do not know hot to bat against foreign bowling attack whriddhiman shah or naman ojha are better wicketkeper batsman than dhoni so my team is rohit, vijayy, virat kohli, rahane, pujara, naman ojha, ashwin, stuwart binny, umesh yadav, ishwer pandy, varun yadav. virat kohli should be captain and he should come in to bat at 1 down not 2 down

  • Htc-Baseball on August 1, 2014, 6:24 GMT

    Please Dhoni, leave the team. U don captain well, neither do u keep nor u bat . Restrain yourself to ODI .

  • Htc-Baseball on August 1, 2014, 6:22 GMT

    Gambhir needs to play and he should captain the team.

  • on August 1, 2014, 6:08 GMT

    team for next test: call up umesh yadav.

    vijay, rohit/gambhir, pujara,kohli, rahane, dhoni, ashwin, aaron, umesh yadav, bhuwanesh kumar, jadeja/pankaj singh/ishwar pandey

  • garysam123 on August 1, 2014, 6:03 GMT

    The team which won the second test in Lords should be restored in the next match too.

  • on August 1, 2014, 6:00 GMT

    Gambhir deserves a chance instead of dhawan, and for God's sake jadeja is no test bowler. Still Dhoni considers his team comprises 4 bowlers (including jadeja). What the hell! Dhoni please put your ego aside and think for team's well being.

  • on August 1, 2014, 5:52 GMT

    Never really used the fifth bowler because you had Binny in the team instead of Ashwin.. First of all, that is not even an excuse.. If you do not use the fifth bowler in the team, you are a bad captain.. You either do not like the player or you do not know how to use him.. And how hard is it to include an off spinner in tracks which offer so much spin against a team which has 6 lefties in the 11?? Why Rohit Sharma?? What is this fetish with him playing attacking strokes?? In a test match, he needs to control the aggression before the intervals.. You cannot afford to lose wickets at the stroke of every interval.. If Dhoni is going to support such lackadaisical approach to the game, he is hardly a good captain.. And the medium pacers.. Wow.. They can give some serious competition to Bangladesh.. Christ, Shami after that self destruct by the West Indies has not performed.. Bhuvaneshwar Kumar was brilliant.. His brilliance is going to be restricted to England only.. Include Aaron..

  • Jackpot6 on August 1, 2014, 5:50 GMT

    After losing a test match in this manner; I would hate if someone tells India plays cricket. Out mental & physical abilities were TESTED and we failed. I don't mind losing; as long as there is a fight and opposition is made to run for their win, but the imbecile cricket India played yesterday was appalling and throwing away weapons in the middle of war. I thought just for once in light years that last day was a perfect set up for Rohit Sharma; 333 was a pure one day score; 90 not 50 over at disposal; had he made good shot selection which he never did & keep the right mental attitude India could have win yesterday match. But the assumption was 1 in billion chances; given Rohit in equation.

  • MelbourneMiracle on August 1, 2014, 5:46 GMT

    Dravid told after the Lord's win that it was a good win coz India played England's game (fast and bounce by Ishant) to beat England. I think in Ageas Bowl, England played India's game (spin and turn by Moeen Ali) to beat India :) was it karma chasing behind India? :)

  • on August 1, 2014, 5:45 GMT

    it was always a concern with bating so many batsman and considering rohit sharma was a crap of defensive mind set of dhoni after ishant injury. why is when a bolwer is injured we replace him with a batsmen and goving a guy debut in england is such a waste of his talent its not so easily he will be thinking ayya what a a waste i am with so many good seaons in ranji trophy ..and why is dhoni sticking with dhawan gambhir is there enjoying with is neww okley glasses day and day out why cant get a chance .i personall feel though dhoni is the greatest champion captain but in test he never had the nerve to go for the kill i felt dravid was little lame in cpataincy as he acted like gentleman but dhoni ahhh u need to be more aggresive man ...and i didnt see a phase of short balls at all , the most wondering aspect wht is wrong with indian pace foundation pankaj sing is like mornie morkel and he goes for 130 kmp bloody helll he should be at min 143 hmm ... better luck soon india...

  • dhoni_sachin_fan on August 1, 2014, 5:41 GMT

    "The fifth bowler bowled only 6-8 overs". Dhoni talks as if he refused to bowl more. You didn't utilize him properly, that's your fault. Vijay and Dhawan bowled ahead of Binny at Lord's. Whose fault is that, the player's or the captain's?

  • on August 1, 2014, 5:24 GMT

    Dhoni picked nearly eight batsmen including Jadeja and additionally Bhuvaneshwar Kumar is contributing scoring runs. With all this what happened in this Test? Is it not better to field your best spinner and your best wicket taking pacers and try to restrict the runs scored by the opposition and then fight it out with your batsmen?

  • on August 1, 2014, 5:21 GMT

    Dhoni,as always,defended his own faulty decisions of playing 4 bowlers & most importantly playing Rohith over Ashwin. Firstly, He defended saying 5th bowler was hardly used in first 2 tests (who told him to under use the 5th bowler, resulting exclusion of strike bowler, Ishant due to over-bowling). Secondly, Dhoni said they did not want to settle Moeen and that's why his favorite kid Rohith went ahead to play a counter attacking shot & got out. Now, if he himself knows how dangerous can be an off-spinner like Moeen, who just stepped in to International arena, why dint he play Ashwin, who could have been the biggest weapon for India. Thirdly, he said Dhawan is getting in to fine tune. If scoring 20 odd runs is fine, then why dont u include the only specialist batsman in the squad who has enough experience of english condition(Gambhir). Dhoni still is the best captain of India, but all he needs to do is to accept his mistake & try to rectify the same regularly. Coz he is not a God !!

  • vj3478 on August 1, 2014, 4:57 GMT

    How can you call Binny a fifth bowler in tests? Why not use Kohli if it's to just get some overs bowled. One has to pick a 'proper' bowler and see the difference... Bits and pieces wouldn't work in tests.... Especially outside Asia. And for gods sake plz drop Dhawan.

  • streetblader on August 1, 2014, 4:45 GMT

    It's ;aughable to see the term "accomplished players of spin" being used for this Indian team. This was true some years back when we had the Fab 4 (Sachin, Dravid, Ganguly, Laxman). Not any more. Look at the teams performance in the matches in Indian sub-continent itself. They lost a test series to England (which no one thought they could), lost a series to pakistan on Indian soil failing miserably to their spin attack, and now in England when they lost on a spin friendly track.

    The fact is, this team knows to play only on absolute dead flat tracks. They can slog and get away with it. But ask them to face a quality pace attack on a singing pitch or put them in front of a quality spin attack- they will crumble. It's high team we accepted that Indians are not the best (or even decent) players of spin any more and stop living in the past. The only thing this team is good for, is playing IPL.

  • shanks1967 on August 1, 2014, 4:36 GMT

    First Credit where it is due. England played with much more intensity and deserved to win. The way they batted in the second innings scoring at will put the game away from India and contributed to a negative approach from the Indians.I think Dhoni was happy to sit on the lead in the series. The key was Murali Vijay's lazy run out. I think only Vijay, Pujara and Rahane have the necessary temperament to bat long in this kind of situation. The Indians who play spin with ease let Moen get settled into a line and good rhythm. Rohit Sharma has been given enough chances and probably should sit outside. Varun Aaron and Ashwin should be playing in the XI. An off color and off form Kohli is really putting pressure on Dhoni and Rahane. Unless the middle order fires it is unfair to keep expecting likes of Bhuvi and Shami to put up brave stands every time.

  • raj_n on August 1, 2014, 4:36 GMT

    Rahul Dravid is Indias mentor on the tour.He taught the boys how to play seamers reasonably well. Now he should consider training them on playing spin.

  • JustIPL on August 1, 2014, 4:35 GMT

    Have agree with dhoni when you are not using fifth bowler better not have one. But for that the four wicket taking bowlers are needed. Looking at the quality of indian bowlers even six bowlers will not be enough. If they are good enough then only couple of them can do the job clinically. Also, using the part timers as full bowlers is a smart choice as the idea is adding bits and pieces bowlers to make one and finding some batting out of them is the only solution with the current indian team. Since you dont want to drop kohli, nohit sharma was included which was harsh on rohit to be asked to replace lowly rated binny to find a place in the team while you persist with kohli. Ishant is also not a guarntee as he only gets wickets when batsmen are hitting out. On the other hand england who dethroned india lost heavily to pakistan so they are not that strong team.

  • RaviUnadkat on August 1, 2014, 4:30 GMT

    It's time to give GG a chance in place of Dhavan, Ashwin for Rohit, V Aron for Shami. Please have Rehane come one down and push Pujara, Kohli down the order so people who are in form and fought for last 3 tests can bat at up so there is less pressure on them. Rehane has looked best Indian batsman on this tour followed by Vijay and Pujara. Since Vijay is doing good let him do opening along with GG who is dying to make come back he will surly put his heart out at batting if given chance. Have Pujara/Kohli at 2 and 3 down position that will give them some kick for not playing well on their positions and also will give some sort of releaf to Rehane who has always played under pressure post Pujara/Kohli get out.

    Ashwin can definately score runs what Rohit scored plus he can be handy in bowling, he may not buy a wicket but he creates 5th bowler, Rohit did not add value to anything, Aron should be given chance in place of Shami who is also non performer, Pace of Aron will be handy.

  • samvarma on August 1, 2014, 4:26 GMT

    Dhoni and our BCCI commentators in Star Sports (except Dravid) are very good in safe guarding the interests and will never honestly admit failures. Whether ardent fans like me admit or not, India's failures are mainly due to lack of skills (whether its mental or technical) to play during challenging situations. Our players don't have the belly to fight. BCCI needs to promote more longer format cricket and also needs to give its emerging players opportunities to play in domestic leagues across the globe. If we keep on playing emerging talents in placid tracks in Ranji, IPL, this is what we going to get. We just lacked the fighting mentaility and skills to draw this test which was heart breaking to see. I agree that we played good test cricket in second test, but I hope it was not a session of madness from English cricketers that gifted us the match.

  • on August 1, 2014, 4:15 GMT

    why dhoni taking flop players like dhawan why not give him chance like gautham, binney, even kholi and pujari has not played well not even 50 in 3 test matches

  • TATTUs on August 1, 2014, 4:07 GMT

    I guess nobody asked him why he bowled Vijay and Rohit Sharma in the second innings when we were 240 runs behind and with the ball just 15 overs old.

  • balaji28 on August 1, 2014, 3:54 GMT

    @nish us I don't agree with you and at present ashwin is the future of india's spin pack.The reason ashwin able to pick much wickets is dhoni who wants him to bowl in a defending while ashwin is a attacking bowler. While ashwin bowled pretty well in asia cup becoz dhoni wasn't there.By the way ashwin needs a support of a leg spinner and so india needs to find a good leg spinner to accompany ashwin. As srilanka has dilruwan perera to accompany rangana herath.

  • on August 1, 2014, 3:53 GMT

    This team needs immense training in slip catching. Poor fielding cost them the match. Also teach them 'Catches win the matches'. Some batsmen must be reminded that they have gone to England to play the cricket not enjoying the life such as Mr. Shikhar Dhawan, Virat kohli. They should play with two spinners (Jadeja & Ashwin), three fast bowlers ( Bhuvi, Shammi & Inshwar Pandey/Ishant Sharma) and 6 Specialist batsmen (Murli Vijay, Gambhir, Pujara, Kohli, Rahane and Dhoni). But fielding department needs immense practice.

  • mysecretme on August 1, 2014, 3:50 GMT

    @Ajanthan His wicket, a 1-0 lead in this series, his overseas record as captain... the list goes on mate :)

  • mysecretme on August 1, 2014, 3:48 GMT

    I think Dhoni's acknowledging his shortcomings in a round about manner. "we played with that extra bowler, who was part of the side. But we never really used him to that extent" He cannot compute beyond the fourth table. Its simple really 4*5=20 and so is 5*4. They don't teach that to TC's.

    He also needs to understand i\It was not Ishant's absence that made the bowlers flat. It was the fact that even though they were creating chances, the fielders were shelling them.

    He said he picked four bowlers in his team. He needs to decide quickly.. Is Jadeja a bowler or an allrounder? If he is a bowler, then Dhoni is guilty of selecting the wrong team combination. India are better off taking a fast bowler in his place like Pandey or Aaron. If he is an allrounder, then Dhoni needs a fourth bowler in the team like Ashwin.

  • balaji28 on August 1, 2014, 3:47 GMT

    I think pujara or vijay should replace dhoni from the captaincy for the windies series and if vijay performs well in the next 2 test against england then vijay should lead the team in windies home test series. It's time to give naman ojha an opportunity he deserves as he showed his red hot form against australia A team in australia and naman scored in each and every match that includes a double century when the whole was crumbling. Best among the worst needs to be selected from the pool of gauti,rohit,virat and shikhar any of the two needs to be selected in this business end of the series and all the guys needs to be dropped from the windies home series. Ashwin can replace rohit while virat can continue to be in the team and so that he can continue his once in a blue moon performance and leave india in dismay for the whole series. Naman ojha can replace shikhar while srilanka had faith on vithanage and dickwella and why not india can show their confidence on ashwin and naman ojha

  • SANATP22 on August 1, 2014, 3:44 GMT

    INDIA XI G Gambhir M Vijay C Pujara A Rahane Rohit S V Kohli MS Dhoni R Ashwin B Kumar I Pandey V Arron

  • Farnoosh on August 1, 2014, 3:39 GMT

    India has to play 5 bowlers outside the subcontinent otherwise our seamers will keep breaking down. Period!!

    India has been failing overseas just because they aren't able to pick 20 wickets. In Lord's they picked it and the result is for everyone to see. Current batsmen are capable of scoring 600+ runs in 2 innings and that will suffice on most occasions.

    Just play 3 seamers along with Jaddu and Ashwin. Both of them are decent batsmen also and along with Bhuvi they will score decent amount of runs down the order.

  • on August 1, 2014, 3:29 GMT

    What has Dhoni not defended?

  • on August 1, 2014, 3:16 GMT

    The main problem was that Dhoni had already figured the Result out as a Draw from Day 1 and so on Day 2 he went on defensive mode. He thought it was difficult to get wickets and the England bowlers would also find it difficult to do so. He did not reckon that our GR8 batsman Kohli, the biggest disappointment of the series so far, has been a big flop and you cant expect much from him. Tail enders have batted better than him. We need some one like Suresh Raina who is fighter and an all rounder in the team. The inclusion of Naman Ojha in place of Writhiman Saha is a good move, he is an attacking batsman and in good touch and can replace either Kohli or Rohit Sharma.

  • balaji28 on August 1, 2014, 3:11 GMT

    I think dhoni's reply to this dismal performance is shocking.How can he support the reckless display of batting by rohit and the reason for selecting rohit sounds absurd. Why he isn't opening his mouth regarding dismal bowling of shami.Jaddu is another bits and pieces allrounder and I don't know how he still survives in test cricket. Shikhar and virat are playing ridiculous cricket but still they are supported by dhoni. Dhoni's batting and wicket-keeping are ridiculous too. I think it's time for dhoni to retire from test cricket as he lacks idea about team selection. How can he expect the fast bowlers and spinner to bowl 40 over each and if they bowl 40 overs each regularly it will hamper their career and it is necessary to have a 5th bowler to assist them. I don't have any idea about the present team as the squad selection is imperfect. I see shikhar and gauti in the same ranks as both are useless.India can play with naman ojha,ashwin,ishwar pandey in place of shikhar,rohit and shami

  • aggiTheGreat on August 1, 2014, 2:59 GMT

    My team: Gambhir, Vijay, Pujara, Rahanr, Kohli, Rohit, Ashwin , Bhuvi, Pankaj, Aaron/Shami

    My guess for england wickets, you should not be looking to bowl more than 90 overs in an innings and 4 bowlers are fine for that. if you are letting opposition play more than 90 overs than 4 or 5 bowlers does not make a difference.

    So 2 changes for sure: Gambhir for Dhawan and Ashwin for Jadega.

  • on August 1, 2014, 1:58 GMT

    My Team for 4th Test - Gambhir, Vijay, Pujara, Rahane, Kohli, Dhoni, Jadeja, Ashwin, Bhuvaneswar, Ishwar Pandey, Sami

  • spinkingKK on August 1, 2014, 1:45 GMT

    One main problem with the test teams in general and India in particular is their defensive approach to batting. A run rate of 2.xx for 5 days of test matches is just boring. I don't bother watching India's batting anymore these days. Because, that will make me hate test cricket. Vijay will go about his business as if it is a timeless test match and then there will be a short stay of Kohli and some brief stroke play of Rehane. Also there are no players with grace in their batting like VVS used have. It's not worth watching at all. We need players like Sehwag, Yousuf Pathan and Irfan pathan in the test team. Anyway, even though I am not planning to watch India play again, my suggestion to the team selection is, bring Aaron for Shami, Ashwin for Jadeja, Gambhir for Dhawan (even though the spectator in me will rather see the back of Vijay) and possibly, Binny again or Pandey for Rohit. All the best for India to win the series, albeit boringly.

  • baba6660 on August 1, 2014, 1:24 GMT

    Ashwin would have taken minimum 5 wickets in the match by which he would have saved over 200 runs on the field and put substantial pressure on the English team. We should always play to our strength's and be aggressive...

  • wide_gully on August 1, 2014, 1:19 GMT

    India need to play Aaron in the next game...Okay, he may not have proven himself to be very accurate but he is at least fast...how else will he learn and get the experience...also, Yadav needs to be flown in from wherever he is...even if these two are not technically that mature, they can generate enough pace and bounce to trouble this mediocre English attack (that was made to look imperious by the Ranji-level bowling by India). Dear India selectors --- pleeeeeeeeeeeeez get this pair in for the next match...even if they do not fire, this will be a much needed experience for them...[guess where Waqar and Waseem would have been if they had been taken along on away-tours but not allowed to play any matches]

  • Nish_US on August 1, 2014, 1:05 GMT

    Totally agree with you...

    Here we have one who played 50+ tests and performs once in a bluemoon and on the otherside there are players who gets dropped even after saving a test for you even when you slap them in the face and never give them a chance to bowl. If the same guidelines apply to ROHIT he should be banned from test cricket for life for having played the way he did in this game.

    Posted by GRVJPR on (July 31, 2014, 16:59 GMT) No way pankaj singh should be dropped. He performed very well. For me even Binny did well. What more you expect you from man on debut than saving a test match for you.

  • Nish_US on August 1, 2014, 1:01 GMT

    As someone pointed before, the biggest plus playing 5 specialist bowlers (or 4 specialist bowlers + 1 allrounder - better option) is the strike bowlers get enough rest to come back strongly each spell. Dhoni is just overusing the strike bowlers, which either (i) breaks them like Ishant (ii) tires them like Bhuvi (iii) makes them in-effective like Shami - and I do not want to make any comments about jadeja or ashwin - never thought either of them are test material... since Dhoni will not let India play a game (whether it is test, odi or t-20) without at least one of them, Ashwin is a better pick.. not because he is a better bowler, but becaues of the no. of LHB in ENG

  • Nish_US on August 1, 2014, 0:50 GMT

    As long as Dhoni does not learn to accept his mistakes and learn from them, he will not taste success. It is ok to make mistakes, but being headstrong and to make them again and again - that is what his problem is.

    Any sane person would add an extra bowler, when your only experienced bowler is injured and replaced by a debutant.

    Ofcorse you will break the bowlers if you do not know how to use the fifth bowler.

  • Indian_Cricket_Fan_Club on August 1, 2014, 0:38 GMT

    @whirlaway agree with you. Either Dhoni did not know when to get Binny to bowl 15-20 overs. Or wanted to keep an excuse for his protectionist 7 batsmen idea.

    @web_guru2003 @Nampally Spot on the 20 wickets need to be taken for test to be won. I doubt Dhoni and selection would not even know it. Just they play the cards that way.

  • on August 1, 2014, 0:18 GMT

    It is amazing that so many people have compiled their own India XIs for the next match @ the Old Trafford but none has excluded Dhoni from the playing XI. Despite his 50 here and 50 there, on conditions like this Dhoni is an embarrassing walking-wicket whose technique is worse than Mohd Shami. When India won at Lord's on the basis of a brilliant performance from Ishant, all the credit was robbed by Dhoni. Now he wants to shift the blame to his tiring bowlers. It is high time India moved on from this mediocre captain in tests.

  • on August 1, 2014, 0:09 GMT

    In the shorter format of the game you can have a passive captain who can calmly inspire his team whenever there are twists and turns in the game. But this may not be true in the longer test format where you need a leader who speaks to his guys for active changes to meet the situations. May be MSD s attitude for tests is too passive. The omly time he showed some proactive steps was in the last over before lunch at Lords and till we won the game. It is difficult to understand why he went back on winning formula of 5 bowlers which at least gave him options. He was the guy who chose not to use the 5th option properly. As many of you have commented 4 bowler strategy is okay if you have world class bowlers like Steyn or Mcgrath. With this listless Indian bowlers who are taking too much time to learn despite opportunities we need 5 full time bowlers. Only then can you keep your bowlers fit and our batsmen under pressure to perform. We had 2 centuries when there were 5 bowlers and none in the

  • Indian_Cricket_Fan_Club on August 1, 2014, 0:01 GMT

    Dhoni comments on playing eight bowlers is absurd and stupid. Sounds he is moving from the open captian to protectionist of under performing batsmen. He has 6 specialist batsmen (some of them world class). Jadeja is a batsmen and less than half bowler. Forget even player a normal sensible 5 bowlers, The selection did not even have 4 bowlers. Pankaj a new bowler, Bhuvi, Shami and co already had long test with Binny just given few overs in the 1st test. This was less than 3.5 bowlers to take 20 wickets and we can compare then to Bret lee, Shane warne or Anderson. Either Ashwin or another bowler should come in for a batsmen. 5 bowlers with Pankaj included. Time for Dhawan to be replaced by Gambir.

  • sammysam on July 31, 2014, 23:33 GMT

    In international cricket, the bowlers will try to find out your weak spot all the time. You need to learn to survive that and try to score runs - Did Dhoni really say this?

  • niazbhi on July 31, 2014, 23:17 GMT

    Dhoni is right on many issues. India misses Umesh and Uthappa. England will get better if they replace Jordan (and possibly Woakes) with Plunkett/Stokes. As Moeen is consistently getting wickets Cook has to let him bowl even if he goes for runs. That will work for England too. India's hopes remain on Kohli, Rahane, Pujara and Pankaj doing better and Vijay/Kumar keep on playing at their best.

  • on July 31, 2014, 23:06 GMT

    1. Get in Ghambir for Dhawan 2. Put Rohit Sharma on the next plane to India 3. Ensure Stuart Binny bowls more 4. Try out Pandey or Arun instead of Shami 5. Odja is in fine form, get him to bat, Kohli can be the 12th man(for his fielding) 6. Sir Jadeja played three now Ashwin can play two(both are almost the same. Playing them in nets Indian batsmen seem to have forgotten to play spin) 7.

  • on July 31, 2014, 22:57 GMT

    Inida need only one change?. remove dhoni and result will follow after that.. please mak gauti as test caption...

  • on July 31, 2014, 22:56 GMT

    Time to leave the CSK team and pick a good Indian team....Bring in Gambhir for dhawan and ashwin for jadeja....jadeja is not the best spinner we have in the country....if dhoni is not ready for change then time to drop him as well.....

  • DevilsCricket on July 31, 2014, 22:47 GMT

    Should've been the other way, as Ishant was out, it was all the more reason to go with 5 bowlers !! Ashwin should've played this test. The problem is he's already counted Jadeja as a specialist bowler. In essense, India played with 3.5 bowlers.

  • on July 31, 2014, 22:45 GMT

    You need five bowlers. Four quicks and 1 spinner every test. Three quicks and two spinners in sub-continnent.

    Anything less and you're setting yourself up for failure.

    Anybody who picks a team with four bowlers should be fired. Tumhair Maa Ki Choot. Has New Zealand taught you nothing?

  • dp19668 on July 31, 2014, 22:10 GMT

    India have to go with five bowlers because they do not have four perfect bowler s. England and Australia always go with five bowlers even though they have very good bowlers. I do not understand why India go with four bowler only since it has been long problem for the bowling. Here is next match selection: Vijay, Gambhir, Pujara, Kohali, Rahane, Dhoni, Jadeja, Ashwin, Bhuvi, Pankaj and varun or Ishwar

  • on July 31, 2014, 21:17 GMT

    Vijay Gambhir Pujara Kohli Rahane Dhoni Jadeja Ashwin Pankaj Bhuvaneshwar Pandey

  • 5wombats on July 31, 2014, 21:12 GMT

    Dhoni should be rightly criticised for consistently playing for a draw every time India are away from home. Here it's much worse though because he has actively picked a team in the hopes of gaining a draw. It's a mistake. On the other hand - what resources has Dhoni got at his disposal? India now have a big problem because this defeats proves his teams weakness against spin - a weakness that England exposed 18 months ago when they defeated India in India. All that is going to happen now is that England will produce what Indians euphemistically call "sporting" pitches at OT and the Oval - and play TWO spinners (Monty???). With this weakness against spin the future doesn't look that bright for India on this tour.

  • HolyShmoly on July 31, 2014, 21:02 GMT

    I wholeheartedly agree Dhoni needs to go in Tests. Ghambir needs to come in place of Dhawan and also be the captain. Jadeja needs to go and Ashwin needs to replace him. Rohit doesn't seem to belong at the international level, if it is not sub continent or lower quality bowling like WI, BAN. As for fast bowling, there aren't many options - Shami, Aaron, Umesh all are same mediocre quality. Ishant is not of the best quality either, but he is the best at the moment especially after his performance at Lords, luck or not. Bhuvi needs the conditions to be perfect unfortunately, but you can't complain considering he took the most wickets in the first two tests and saved India with his batting as well. One fluke win at Lords and everyone was gung-ho. It is back to business and reality now and is going to go hell in a handbasket from here. I wouldn't be surprised if Eng wins the series 3-1.

  • MiddleStump on July 31, 2014, 20:48 GMT

    Dhoni is right. He has not really used more than 4 bowlers. He has also not used more than 2 batsmen, Vijay and Rahane. May be he wants to play 6 on 6 cricket for the remaining tests.

  • on July 31, 2014, 20:48 GMT

    I would sugesst gambhir in place for dhawan an ashvin for rohit shrma. India should atack with 5 premiere bowlers. India's main strength is spin and we are missing ojha and mishra here. Dhoni is the best caption india ever had but he has to take some harsh decision against his favorate players. Like professional aussies who ever is performing should be in the team no matter who else is. So mr MS please go for inform player who can take india to top. I realy proud of u and i realy admire ur trust on player but please think beyond indivisulas. U'll find more talented players in india. Thnx MS...

  • on July 31, 2014, 20:35 GMT

    MY XI for next match .... Gambhir (he will give his wicket easily) 2) vijay (he is in form and he does value his wicket) 3) Virat(make him no3 batsman ..he has loads of run in ODI on same position, Dnt compare him with sachin as our best no4 batsman) 4) Pujara ( he is still indian best middle order batsman he is just one good inning away 5) Rahane (best batsman of india in tour so far) 6) Dhoni (he plays better cricket on this position 7) Ashwin (he has two hundreds and he does play like proper test batsman 8) Jadeja (dont forget he has won the lords match for you...all he needs some confidence on his bowling ...i think he is not bowling his natural line which is flipper in every over, I think dhoni is nt letting him play his naturl game 9) Bhuvneshwar ( give him rest for next couple of days...he will be different bowler 10) Ishwar Pandey (he can extract some bounce from any pitch ...i am bit against varun aaron 11) Pankaj Singh (this guy needs 10% chance what ishant got ..wonderboy

  • thejesusofcool on July 31, 2014, 20:33 GMT

    India not bringing in Ashwin for Binny here was equivalent to winning a World Cup quarter-final 0-1 & then subbing a striker with another defender, all with just an hour gone.

    If it was still 0-1 going in to the last 2 Tests, maybe, but this was the wrong tactic in just the 3rd Test. And, as soon as that Dhawan miss of Cook happened, India just visibly deflated.

    Hope he makes the correct call next time, because we are now on a roll.

  • on July 31, 2014, 20:27 GMT

    India's Lucky hero was S.Binny & they throw ed him out for a rash player like Rohit Sharma... it is such a shame... Dhoni need to understand this... NEVER TOUCH WINNING TEAM ... It is such a SIN ... Bad idea, simply sense of over confidence and ofcose living on his luck factor...

  • Vpd23 on July 31, 2014, 20:26 GMT

    Cric_Dude You said it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Y2G_87 on July 31, 2014, 20:21 GMT

    Make Jadeja fast bowling all rounder, I understand that it will take time. He can be third seamer, he has enough aggression, power and accuracy and more importantly he is young left handed bowler.

    If still team requires someone who turns the ball away from right handed batsmen there are talented left arm orthodox and leg spin bowlers who can be provided international exposure.

    Being 2nd in the test all rounder chart it is shame that Ashwin doesn't have place in playing XI. Considering current slip corridor, Ashwin's presence will be really bonus.

    Every overseas tour clearly proves that fast bowlers in India should take rest after 2 continuous test matches.

    Bhuvi is not as quick as Anderson but still managed to pick wickets so, it is not bad decision to pick a team with 5 bowlers with one spin bowling all rounder (Ashwin) and pace bowling all rounder(Jadeja).

    Remaining Spots can be filled Bhuvi/Sandeep.Mohith (Swing), Ishanth/Aron/Pankaj (Bounce and Pace), Mishra/Ojha/Patel

  • on July 31, 2014, 20:14 GMT

    Dhoni does not need five bowlers. He needs bowlers who can take wickets. Twenty of them. In this team, you can pack eight bowlers, and they won't take more than the 12-13 wickets they seem to average.

    The problem is not a lack of bowlers, it is a lack of wicket-taking bowlers.

    And it is not as if you have a stockpile either. This is it. These are the best and they are on tour.

  • Vpd23 on July 31, 2014, 20:11 GMT

    Ellis!..I second You.. GO BIG INDIA or GO HOME... Don't further embarrass England by making them feel that they are playing against a bunch of No Hopers!!! A strike bowler who needs motivation every single delivery?

  • on July 31, 2014, 19:36 GMT

    My Team for 4th Test: Gautam Gambir, Murli Vijay, Pujara, Rahane, Kohli,Dhoni,Jadeja, Ashwin, Shami, Varun Aaron, Bhuvi.

  • Ellis on July 31, 2014, 19:35 GMT

    A Test that India, and Dhoni in particular, will want to believe never happened. Ashwin is a far better bowler than Moeen Ali and has yet to play in the series. Incredible! Drop Shami, include Ashwin, bringing in Gambhir for Dhawan is also to be considered. Indian slip fielding was very shabby, as was Dhoni's keeping. More fire in the belly needed from the Indians. Anderson largely and Broad are the main threats. Neutralize them and the English bowling cupboard is not overflowing. Despite this Test, Moeen is not a Test class bowler although the English media will now portray him as the second coming.Dhoni is right, Ali should be attacked and taken out of contention. India lost because of a defensive approach. Go big India, or go home!

  • Cric__Dude on July 31, 2014, 19:34 GMT

    These comments are clearly showing how much biased Dhoni is. If Rohit tries to play big shots and get out, he likes his attitude. If Binny tries to play the same shot and get out, its lack of talent. When dropped of Pankaj, Dhoni says he was unlucky. When dropped of Binny, he is mediocre. Great thinking sir. First change India needs in tests is dropping Dhoni. What does he want to do there? Block a wicketkeeper's career. Or block Gauti to play so that captaincy question doesnt even arise. Gauti is clearly better captain in tests. He needs to bat consistently well to keep his place. I am sure Samson will bat better than Dhoni in tests. Fed up of our captain (no doubt about ODIs, only tests) and coach (what is he doing sir). We need a coach like Paddy/Warne/Kumble (great thinkers). I think Strauss & Collingwood too will make good coaches in future. Selectors plz respond. Even if India win this series, Dhoni is clearly not our future in tests. Let him prolong his ODI career till 2019.

  • web_guru2003 on July 31, 2014, 19:20 GMT

    Its almost the unanimous opinion of all the legends/experts that Batsmen can set it up but its the bowlers who win the test matches for you. You HAVE to take 20 wickets and there are no 2 ways about it.

    Dhoni is trying to defend un-defendable and him saying about playing extra batsmen is nothing but defensive mindset. He probably was playing for draw ( last 3 games) to win the series but that did not work.

    Its not the tipping point but soon time will run out for CAPTAIN Dhoni (at least in test matches)

  • Rinay on July 31, 2014, 19:19 GMT

    After the 2nd Test India were really confident on their win and they got out played on their own strength which was spin. As well in this test dropped catches brought Cook in form we helped his confidence and which turned out to be an amazing team performance. Also is pretty hopeless as Pujara is not converting his score in to big innings, Virat, Dhawan, Rohit is out of form. My 11: Gambir, Vijay, Pujara,Virat, Rahana, MS Dhoni, Rohit, Jadeja/ Binny, Ashwin, Bhuvi, Shami, Pankaj/ Pandey

  • Nampally on July 31, 2014, 19:01 GMT

    It is impossible to take 20 wkts. in a 5 dy test match with 3 specialist bowlers & one spinner who is at best economical- waiting for batsmen to make mistakes. If Dhoni calls Jadeja a specialist bowler, he is kidding himself- Nobody else!Even out of these bowlers, 3 of them played 3 Tests in a row & already getting into tired arm syndrome. Dhoni & Indian selectors of XI should get real & make suitable changes which is best for the Indian team & not for the individuals. n batting Dhawan has failed consistently. With the inclusion of N.Ojha, he should replace Dhawan straight away. Kohli is failing consistently. Send Kohli #5 & Rahane #4. In bowling send Ishant back to India as he is injured & will not be fit for the last 2 tests. This should have been done after Test #2.Bring in U. Yadev right into XI to replace Shami. Replace the "Spinner" Jadeja with Ashwin which is long overdue Jadeja is not a wkt. taking spinner & has lower Test batting average than Ashwin. This is the way to WIN!

  • bijumonssss on July 31, 2014, 18:50 GMT

    I think it is the returns cook get from this series. here on no james Anderson,ishant sharma may be bhuvi it will be like batting draws to follow 1-1 ends up the series

  • PROPHESIER on July 31, 2014, 18:47 GMT

    Dhoni is the biggest letdown both as a captain and a player. He is very dogmatic in his views and looks like defends them to his grave. How many times Dhoni won an overseas test match with four bowlers? No way it will happen in this series, India is heading towards ignominious defeat in the next two test matches, if Dhoni decides to go with four bowlers. Dhoni syas 5'th bowlers wasn't much help in the last test, but forgot that Binny is not a specialist bowler and wasn't given enough overs. Though, Its not guaranteed that going with 5 bowlers will result in a test win, but least it will give an option of giving lesser work load to the bowlers and guard them against burnout.

  • whirlaway on July 31, 2014, 18:44 GMT

    "never really used the fifth bowler".

    What a pathetic excuse! He got the top 4 bowlers to bowl 30-40 overs as the opposing team scored nearly 500 runs but could give the 5th bowler only 10 overs??!!

    I mean, they have scored almost 500! If the top bowlers had skittled them out for 200 or 250, then you can say that the fifth bowler was not really needed. NOT when they scored nearly 500. In this case, the fifth bowler could have been used for at least 15 or 20 overs. But Dhoni didn't, either because he is totally clueless or because he wanted to create an excuse to drop Binny in the subsequent Tests...

  • desiboy454 on July 31, 2014, 18:43 GMT

    Dhoni can go with 4 speicalist bowlers, but not when your spinner is run stopper and then your pace bowler SHAMI, cant take a wicket and averages 72 in the series with 5 wickets in 5 innings. Personally MSD needs to bring in Ashwin, jadeja ashwin will be on par with batting and bowling wise, ashwin will attack. Shami needs to be dropped for Aaron, use Aarons pace and bounce aganist england. India really needed Umesh, he gives runs but takes wickets. Dhawan needs to be dropped for GG, no doubt. I am sure GG will not do worse than what dhawan has done so far. My XI: 1. GG 2. Vijay 3. Pujara 4. Rahane 5. Virat 6. MSD 7. Ashwin 8. Jadeja 9. Bhuvi 10. Singh 11. Aaron.. This will give MSD 5 bowlers and Ashwin Jadeja Bhuvi combined can give some effort at the end.

  • on July 31, 2014, 18:42 GMT

    Pankaj Singh did well for a man on debut, but India already have a workhorse in Bhuvneshwar Kumar, who, hopefully, will be fit for the next test. Dhoni went in with five bowlers and it got him a test victory. But unlike others, he wanted to save that 1-0 lead. instead of build on it. Cook has made him pay for that mistake. Moeen Ali picked up six wickets where Jadeja could manage just two, that too one of the wickets was an umpiring error. He is NOT good enough to be the main spinner of even an ODI side, especially abroad. Bring in Ashwin instead, but retain Jadeja as the fifth bowler. The man who comes with 20 mins left for tea, lunch, stumps. The man who bowls in that 10 over gap just before the second new ball. India can still win this series, but only if they go in with FIVE bowlers. Shami looks clueless so rest him. Pankaj doesn't look too impressive either. It's time to give Ishwar Pandey a go. Next XI : Gambhir, VJ, Che, VK, Rahane, Dhoni, RJ, Ash, Bhuvi, Aaron, Ishwar.

  • chaskamaska on July 31, 2014, 18:39 GMT

    firstly dhoni has to be droped from the playing xi. when binny looks and performs better than dhoni when binny can be dropped why not dhoni? make pujara captain only current player who can make double hundred. dhoni decisions are shocking pick and choose of players.

  • Speng on July 31, 2014, 18:37 GMT

    @Ind.rosh11: difference is Aus and SA have 4 quality bowlers. With Ishant out Bhuvi can't take them all. Jaddu has 8 in 3 matches (mostly gift), Shami has 5. Where are the wickets going to come from? Even if Pankaj got 6 in this match India would have been 3 or 4 wickets short. So they do need a 5th who can take wickets. Whether that's Ashwin or one of the other quicks I don't know. I reckon Ashwin for Jaddu is a no brainer as he must be a better wicket taker and (as well as Jaddu's batted) you won't likely loose much with Ashwin's batting. Shami is not getting it done so it's time for a different quick. Maybe those 4 but i doubt it as i think Bhuvi's been overused as he looked a bit tired this match.

    Not as though England don't have the same problem... Broad banged up, Woakes and Jordan didn't take any wickets and if Anderson and Moeen hadn't taken 14 between them the match would've been a draw. if Jimmy gets suspended things get hairy.

  • on July 31, 2014, 18:34 GMT

    I wonder why Suresh Raina was not picked for tests. He plays well under pressure and has a great attitude. He is definitely better choice than Jadeja.

  • cktspirit on July 31, 2014, 18:32 GMT

    My XI for next match would be, Murali, Pujara, Rahane, Kohli, Ojha, Dhoni, Bhuvi, Shami, Aswin, Pankaj/ Varun, Jadeja/ Pandey.

  • on July 31, 2014, 18:27 GMT

    How could India loose to England? Man for man India is streets ahead in talent, technique, ability and experience. So why did India loose? One word answer? "Doni" poor captancy, poor tactics. poor run rate and possibly well past the sell by date! So when was the last time India won a series and who was it against? Let me see was that against Bangaldesh? So why is India keep loosing when they are touring? Its time the BCCI paid attention to India's success rate abroad. Some might say they are just flat track bullies. But I think they are better than that. Just make few adjustments at the top and India will have a world beating team! Just get ride of the Captain and the coach!

  • on July 31, 2014, 18:26 GMT

    This whole article is written with emotions, why dont you guyz understand basic fact of India... they can only play at home or can grab some victories in asia, when they are outside Asia they are not talented enough yet over rated by media to perform and thats the thing that Dhoni knos

  • on July 31, 2014, 18:16 GMT

    Yes, 4 bowlers would be a good strategy if your bowlers are Marshal, Garner, Holding & Roberts, not if your bowlers are Bhuvi, Shami, Pankaj & Jadeja !

    Given the application demonstrated by Dhoni's specialist batsmen so far coupled with the enhanced need for bowlers to produce wicket-taking balls (to compensate for catches dropped), here's the squad I recommend for the 4th test -

    Vijay, Rahane (competent batsmen this series so far), Sharma (not enough failures this series to merit exclusion), Gambhir (New into the playing 11), Dhoni, Jadeja, Ashwin, Bhuvi, Panday, Aaron & Pankaj

    4 quicks & 2 spinners means Dhoni always has at least 2 fresh bowlers to choose from most of the time.

  • magician123 on July 31, 2014, 18:09 GMT

    Moeen Ali figures are realy overrated..i can be sure next match he ll definitly go for leather hunting

  • india_boy33 on July 31, 2014, 18:05 GMT

    Australia & S. Africa world's 2 strongest bowling line-ups are always go with 4 specialist bowlers in test matches. i.e. Aus- Johnson, Harris, Siddle/Pattinson & Lyon & SA are with Morkel, Steyn, Philander & Tahir/an additional pacer. If these world's Top 2 sides are going with 4 specialist bowlers then what's wrong with Dhoni's tactics to go with 4 bowlers.

  • on July 31, 2014, 18:05 GMT

    A fifth bowler whether - Ashwin or Binny in this test match would have surely scored more than Rohit Sharma!!! They could have as well have played an unchanged 11, except for bringing in Pankaj for Ishant.

  • Aaranya on July 31, 2014, 18:05 GMT

    Jadeja got a couple of wickets not because of good bowling. Just batsmen went after him for quick runs. The way Dhoni defending his 4 bowler strategy with Jadeja , who is not of test standard, one among that 4 is really disgusting. He is 'happy' with Rohit's 'approach' though he failed with bat and his 10 overs as bowler. He conveniently forgets that Binny scored match saving runs in first test. Binny in place of Sami and Ashwin in place of Rohit should be the changes for next test. Yes, Dhawan needs another chance and there is no sense in hurrying backwards and bring in Gambhir.

  • cricpolitics on July 31, 2014, 17:53 GMT

    The Indian defeat should not come as a surprise. Their last win at Lords was just an aberration and nothing else. And to think that Ishant Sharma is the kind of bowler who can repeat the same performance again and again is trying to reach the stars. Indians should expect more defeats in the up coming test matches.

  • on July 31, 2014, 17:44 GMT

    its really sad to mr dhoni not giving the due credits to the oppesition team players.. om moieen ali he says we allowed him to bowl well!! what a silly comment?

    if jadeja or vijay took this six wickets his statement will b diffrent..

    hats off to cook and his unslfish attitude..

    in eng 2nd inninings when cook declared he is batting on 70 and more then 4sessions were remaing,he can easly bat for 3,4 overs and try to get his 100 but he declared i am very much sure if any of the indian batsman captain batting they will surely go for the 100..

  • Jammu_Cricketer on July 31, 2014, 17:31 GMT

    I think at some point some batsmen need to play it like a 1 day game or even t20 because when you play so defensive you are getting out defending silly balls. You might as well go out fighting. I know it's test and slow is the way to go, just go on the attack and let the bowlers know you aren't afraid like Jadeja batted in couple of the innings. When the bowler knows they can corner you and you are afraid, that's it. You have already lost.

  • Surajrises on July 31, 2014, 17:22 GMT

    May how much ever Cricket fans and experts break their heads regarding Dhoni's defensive Captaincy and tactics, he is going to continue to what he wants to do. With Ishant Sharma, we have lost Bhuvi as well due to side strain. Shammi looked jaded so now no one has idea what Dhoni is actually end up doing at Manchester. Now that Naman Ojha has been drafted from the India A team, even Umesh Yadav should be called back immediately. So for the next match I am hoping this would be the team: Gambhir, Vijay, Pujara, Kohli, Rahane, Jadeja, Dhoni, Ashwin, Umesh Yadav, Ishwar Pandey & Pankaj Singh. In this particular situation, this is the best possible side that could at least put up some kind of fight but I still feel India are losing this series from hereon.

  • LinearSpline on July 31, 2014, 17:17 GMT

    MS, instead of saying you don't use a 5th bowler anyway, you could perhaps actually pick one and make sure you use him like a proper bowler, so that you don't end up bowling one or more of your other bowlers into the ground (e.g. Bhuvi), and lament their tiredness/injuries later.

    With a relatively weak, inexperienced attack, it's foolish to only play 4 bowlers on flat pitches. India may escape with Jadeja bowling 10 overs for 50 with the occasional wicket in ODIs, but a front-line bowler needs to be better than that, even to draw test matches. Ashwin's record overseas isn't great, but he hasn't really had an extended run. He's a better batsman than Jadeja too.

    Squad selection has been a bit nuts for all 3 tests. How about Bhuvi, Pankaj, Aaron, Ashwin, and I guess Jadeja as a 5th bowler for the next test. It's easier to replace a batsman with two/three bowlers who can bat a bit, rather than a bowler with two/three batsmen who hardly ever bowl (e.g. Rohit, Dhawan, Vijay).

  • on July 31, 2014, 17:17 GMT

    its really time to drop dhawan and jadeja ... I know jaddu was heroic in one innings at lords but he s a very costly risk to take in test cricket ... his bowling has been modest at best and he has failed to hang around for long with the bat too... gambhir has the experience and hunger to get on the field and play ... also please give ashwin a proper chance to prove his abilities... as far as pankaj Singh goes I'm not too sure he s got the pace or stamina to prize out wickets on a consistent basis... I wish we had umesh yadav here but Aaron seems to be a more pacy option ... at least swap shami who seems quite jarred at the moment ... he needs a break

  • FiGhtCluB_99 on July 31, 2014, 17:03 GMT

    Jadeja is a 6th choice bowler at best. He isn't even a spinner and his batting is awful. He is not a Test match player, period. Dhoni has the habit of picking players for the wrong format. Dhawan, Jadeja, Ashwin, Binny all are limited-overs specialists and should not be picked in the Test team. Rahane, Rohit (yes Rohit), Ishant should play only Tests. Dhoni himself is a limited-overs player and he does not have Test captaincy mindset. Drop Dhoni from the Test team and all problems are solved.

  • GRVJPR on July 31, 2014, 16:59 GMT

    No way pankaj singh should be dropped. He performed very well. For me even Binny did well. What more you expect you from man on debut than saving a test match for you.

  • on July 31, 2014, 16:55 GMT

    I don't whats happening with team India,,every team in the world will gain momentum after winning a test match in the series..But India have lost the match after gaining momentum... The same thing happened when england toured India in 2012-13, where India won the first test match but the series ended with England 2-1.

  • Coolcapricorn on July 31, 2014, 16:55 GMT

    @ Dysan25 You got it spot on - just because MSD manages with just 4 bowlers back home due to his spinners doing the bulk of the bowling & taking loads of wickets, he is misguided in thinking he can do this abroad too despite this strategy failing time & time again. Maybe you can manage with just four bowlers but ONLY if you have atleast two class bowlers who regularly take lots of wickets [e.g. Steyn & Philander] - a luxury we sadly don't have! Really feel sorry for bowlers like Bhuvi who is being so overbowled that not surprisingly he is carrying an injury & this fatigue affects his batting too.This 4 bowler strategy failed in SA, failed in NZ, failed in this Test & if MSD can't see this at all, it then just proves he is a poor Test captain & needs to be replaced at the soonest.

  • glen1 on July 31, 2014, 16:51 GMT

    It is mind boggling to realize that Dhoni has simple street logic that dictates his game; no wonder, he is not suited for the more demanding format, viz. test cricket. Selected five bowlers for first two tests, one bowler was useless, so what is the point with playing with five bowlers? Obviously, Binny was not a bowler at test level, and with other bowlers having fresh legs, this logic was bound to fail. As the series progresses, you either bring in four fresh bowlers each time, or bring in a fifth bowler to complement the tired bowlers. Similar insanity prevented Ashwin from playing on a wicket where Ali took six wickets. Dhoni cannot run a five test format; he is unfit.

  • CalvinTheCricLover on July 31, 2014, 16:50 GMT

    OMG now he defends that woeful strategy? whats next only 2 bowlers because the other bowler went wicketless and either dhawan, vijay, rohit or kohli can bowl and if required even i can swing my arm a little as rahane keeps the wickets? UNBELIEVABLE

  • Raki99 on July 31, 2014, 16:49 GMT

    Now In a week since the lords the Old Indian team is back in full form , bowlers can't take wickets and batsman can't make runs and here on the board we have a 100 selectors selecting the team. Problem with this team right now is the Dhawan , Pujara and kohli not making any substantial contribution. In the bowling we have jadeja and shami not contributing much. So Its just getting all 11 to perform. we can't have a baggage of 5 players in the team one or two would be alright.

  • on July 31, 2014, 16:40 GMT

    No other Indian captain in the past was given such a long run that too after two consecutive whitewashes. Its time Dhoni step aside or the Board needs to take a call. Day 1 second session such a defensive field set shows his understanding of test cricket. Its fine with playing four bowlers as long as all are match winning. Shami out of form., Pankaj singh debutant, and Jadeja is half bowler. Effectively india played 1.5 bowlers last test. Please Dhoni for the sake of Indian test cricket. QUIT....

  • on July 31, 2014, 16:39 GMT

    Let's face it when it the pressure is on in Tests Dhoni can't handle it as he just lost to one of the worst England teams ever when India should of gone in with all the momentum!

  • cricket_lover1 on July 31, 2014, 16:37 GMT

    Drop Dhawan, Shami, Pankaj, Jadeja and bring in Gambhir, Ishwar, Aaron and Ashwin for 4th and 5h test.

  • on July 31, 2014, 16:34 GMT

    rohit is great batsman when everyone failed including sachin against west indies it was rohit who build partnership with ashwin and shami and won matcha for india. when india were 80 for 5 it was rohit who saved india against west indies. Rohit is superb batsman and his cricket instinct to win match is absolutely suerb. i am biggest fan of rohit and he may fail in some matches but he is great asset to the team. i am upset with shikhar and dhoni now. shikhar and dhoni don't know how to bat in foriegn condition.

  • coldcoffee123 on July 31, 2014, 16:33 GMT

    4 bowler strategy my foot. Jadeja is NOT a Test bowler. India went with only 3 specialist bowlers, one of which was a debutant. So, only 2 bowlers. In a Test Match. Good luck with that. I know Dhoni has no idea how to play tests, but what is Fletcher getting paid for? What a joke.

  • gbqdgj on July 31, 2014, 16:31 GMT

    Just a quick question for the many Indian fans here. Is there something wrong with Ashwin? He was one of the few who has impressed against England (the Little Master aside) in the past and yet he seems out of favour for some reason and I wondered if it's a lack of fitness, form or something else?

  • on July 31, 2014, 16:30 GMT

    Agree with Hardy1, Very bad response from Dhoni about having 5 bowlers , atleast 4 Specialized. Very defensive tactic from the captain and management after the win at Lords.

  • WalkingWicket11 on July 31, 2014, 16:26 GMT

    The same old story albeit took longer to get started this time. A team with 3 or 4 players out of form and likely to be axed soon are helped back into form by India helping them extend their career by another couple of years.

  • on July 31, 2014, 16:25 GMT

    It was not even 4. Actually it is 3 plus one all rounder, which is for surely mistake that mainly contributed the defeat. Dhoni as always defending his strategy and will continue to do the same for the matches to continue. Better replace him with DK and bring Gambhir who can become future captain.

  • on July 31, 2014, 16:17 GMT

    This has been one of the huge problems with Dhoni's captaincy outside India and one of the reasons that India haven't been able to nurture promising fast bowlers. One of the things a young bowler desperately needs is confidence and by repeatedly disparaging the talent he has at his disposal, Dhoni is battering the bowlers' already diminished confidence reserves. I'm not talking about just this test, or the next one - this has been an issue with him right from the beginning.

    While he's a fairly decent captain in Asian conditions, Dhoni has been found out time and again away from India and Zaheer's decline has not helped matters at all. To be able to succeed outside India, we need a leader who is ready to put faith in his fast bowlers.

  • pz97 on July 31, 2014, 16:11 GMT

    I think the experience of players is missing..In test ,there should be at least 2 to 3 players in the playing 11 who have played more than 50 test matches for the country.. because experienced player has a fair idea of the conditions in that country and somehow he will help out those inexperienced young players to play in that condition. Dhoni himself cannot save the match for India all the time.There should be someone who is a well experienced player and help the captain. like Gautam Gambhir who has 54 test caps.. and has played previously in England in 2011. Virender Sehwag could have also been chosen for the team as an experienced player.. The first choice playing 11 should have at least 2 - 3 experienced players having played a minimum of 50 tests..and then the backup should be used for rookie players..if the current player is not performing well..

  • on July 31, 2014, 16:10 GMT

    many forget about the mentor DRAVID in this game. many remembered this when we won at Lord's. This says logic of speakers comments

  • on July 31, 2014, 16:04 GMT

    This is very true, Jadeja is an all rounder better with the bat but in this test he was the best bowler. If I was Dhoni I would play Ashwin too or play him for Jadeja however he has proved he's useful. also, bring in Aaron and keep Ishant in and have Gambir for Dahwan

  • Iyer on July 31, 2014, 16:03 GMT

    Why not select the best eleven first and then pick a captain out of that eleven? This would help India most.

  • JohnSmith451 on July 31, 2014, 16:03 GMT

    If the indian player are not playing well they should be dropped. Be it a fast bowler, batsmen , wicket keeper or captain. It doesn't matter if the captain had given us a world cup. The best eleven players should play based on merit. The conditions should not matter for a batsman or bowler. we need to have player like that. Will the player not take his match fees because he is playing in foreign soil. He definitely does. So there are no excuses to say. Be it the nature of the pitch, quality of the opposition. If you cannot play you should step out and give place to the other Youngsters. The policy is to perform well or get dropped. Play with your heart and your performances will be appreciated. We should always have 5 Regular bowlers, 5 Regular batsmen and an allrounder in our team. Each player should be capable of taking atleast 4 wickets in a match or in an inning. If they cannot do that they need to be dropped. See australia if the player doesn't play they will get dropped.

  • Dysan25 on July 31, 2014, 16:01 GMT

    Dhoni doesn't seem to see the Pros in having 5 bowlers, viz,

    1) Bowling out opposition for a lesser score 2) Opponent scoring less implies you don't need 6 batsmen to outscore them 3) Adequate breaks for the other 4 bowlers; hence players will be fitter 4) Variety in the attack; which can make the opposing batsmen lose their rhythm 5) Bowling Part-timers will become a bonus rather than a necessity

  • on July 31, 2014, 15:54 GMT

    Unfortunate but true India presently has no leader who can lead India if Dhoni is asked to step down next best choice was Kholi we all say how Kholi crumbled under captaincy pressure in IPL he is already low on confidence and form so that is ruled out. People asking for Gauti in team for Dhawan should remember Dhoni is a person who will not take players in team whom he doesn't like Gauti criticized Dhoni during world cup final and from then on he has been sidelined.Dhoni's statement is absurd he says he didn't use the fifth bowler much only bowled 8-10 overs that is the reason Bhuvi looks tired and listless had Binny been used more Bhuvi's workload could have been reduced with Ishant ruled out a tired Bhuvi and out of form Shami will create more problems for India and Dhoni being himself wont drop Shami Dhawan or anyone and Jaddu was made to bowl defensive line Dhoni's mindset kills india's chance.What was he expecting England to give series away to India

  • KeepitHonest on July 31, 2014, 15:49 GMT

    Dhoni's obsession with Jadeja is spoiling team balance - with selection being flat out wrong, India is starting each match with a handicap, effectively utilizing just 9 players or 10 at the most. Please play specialists whether its spinners line Ashwin and Mishra or pacers line Pankaj and Aaron alongwith Ishant, Bhuvi & Shami. No half-baked part-timers like Binny & Jadeja please. While offering a long rope to players has its merits, it shouldn't be at the cost of sacrificing tactical changes based on venue, conditions and opposition. One other thing - most of the Indian players batted/bowled/fielded in brain-dead fashion. They did not use their smarts and instincts. Are they being excessively remote-controlled at the cost of their own judgement? Slip catching - can we please figure out the best 3 slip catchers and stick with them please?

  • ravimenon on July 31, 2014, 15:49 GMT

    There is nothing wrong playing four bowlers. India never going to use fifth bowler properly. In fact,we don't have a quality fifth bowler. Just bowling of overs is not enough, they should be capable of getting wickets also. At the moment we don't have anyone. Ashwin is very good in India and not in abroad. The main problem now is, India fielding 3.5 bowlers, Jadej, no body knows what is his role. For change, India can drop Jadeja and bring Ashwin. Drop Shami and bring Arone. On batting side, India can bring in Gambir and drop Dhawan, A team which is playing with 3 off form batsman & 2 Off form bowler, I don't think we can expect more. Added with Mr. Dhani's tactics, only worse can be expected. England lost the second test and not India won. We have to remember that.

  • Tornado1 on July 31, 2014, 15:48 GMT

    With all due respect to Dhoni, 'It is NOT what international cricket is about'. You need to play with the best available team, not players like Jadeja, Punkaj , Dhawan, Binny and even yourself. I can see the logic behind Rohit but if you persist with him in next test, not even god can save you :)

  • on July 31, 2014, 15:47 GMT

    India must try ashwin instead of rohith..ashwin can score more runs than rohit and bowl much better not the best and I hope gambhir makes up in playing 11..

  • Hardy1 on July 31, 2014, 15:45 GMT

    "[If playing extra bowlers is positive], then to be positive you should play eight bowlers in the next game", what an absurd response to a very vaild question. He said it himself, "To win Test matches, we need to take 20 wickets".

    He justified his selection by saying Binny didn't bowl many overs in the first couple of matches, but no one was calling for Binny to play this game, it was all about Ashwin, & I very much think that he could've gotten something from that pitch. Not to mention he's a proper batsman with a first class average of 37 & Test average of 40.

  • on July 31, 2014, 15:44 GMT

    next test my 11.. gauti vijay rahane pujara kohli dhoni rohit ashwin bhuvi pankaj varun

  • on July 31, 2014, 15:38 GMT

    india will loose this series if there will no right selections made by the captain. I can't understand the reason for choosing dhawan over gambhir again and again when whole india can see that dhawan id not in proper touch , why captain don't want to give a chance to senior opener . also kohli hasn't done well in this series, it will be better to play gambhir in next test

  • nellaiseemai on July 31, 2014, 15:36 GMT

    Dhoni please listen. You have not used 5 proper bowlers in the first two matches. Jadeja and Binny are not bowlers for test matches. They are all rounders who can bowl a bit. Jadeja is only a run controlling bowler and Binny not at all tested in this level. By saying India needs 5 bowlers everyone is saying that India needs wicket taking bowlers. If going by your same logic what did the extra batsman did here. You may under use the 5 th bowler as in case of Binny. But with extra batsman it is not the question of under using him. He will eventually get his chance once 5 th wicket is down. The question we should ask is, Can Ashwin score the runs what ever Rohit scores or can Rohit picks what ever wickets Ashwin picks? In general, I think losing Kumble is hurting India more than the star batsmen. Kumble is an attacking bowler who also control runs. Now you have tried Jadeja who control runs but not an attacking bowler. Consider AMishra who is wicket taking bowler but can go for runs.

  • on July 31, 2014, 15:29 GMT

    my team for next match-gambhir,vijay,pujara,Kohli,rahane,rohit,dhoni,ashwin,bhuvi,Aaron/ishwar,shami/pankaj.

  • Raza on July 31, 2014, 15:26 GMT

    Mr. Cool Always defend his Mistakes. 4 bowler policy can work once in blue-moon but should not be ultimate choice. he will keep losing in Test Matches if he will not Change his Policy.

  • amitdashore on July 31, 2014, 15:23 GMT

    mad tactics is the words if put in decent way. leader of attack down, debutant in, all rounder(?) out, part timer in, ur best spinner sits out while opponents parttimer takes six-for! have rohit sharma in team and have jadeja instead fielding in slips! if ashwin is not good enough to be ur wicket taking option then better give chance to bhajji, ojha or even mishra! why even pick him up for such a long tour? while bhuvi is doubling up as batsman as well, he is clearly fatigued n shami in no good shape as well. did he even think of picking 20 wickets or thought to just hold on to a draw? n that too the way himself n others r batting? what difference is in the shot that got binny n rohit against moeen? truth is dhoni has a ego that is even bigger than the team for him. he has an experienced gambhir to play a mentor role around which newcomers can built up n establish themselves in couple of years but he persists with failures. may be pujara or kohli can make way for gambhir, if not dhawan

  • Openingmyheart on July 31, 2014, 15:16 GMT

    India will learn from the mistakes and will come back in this series..I think Ashwin should be given a chance in the coming matches.

  • on July 31, 2014, 15:15 GMT

    #Arun Bose I totally agree with you, India will definetly make a comeback, I support your claim..Most of the cricket fans change with the roll of a dice When India won at lords England fans were rioting against Cook and England with their comments and Indian fans were singing the glory of their's As soon as England made a comeback ECB fans again rejoiced with England's success, and Indians have almost provided tips, that can compile a book in length, getting over the fact those are English conditions they forgot India is still a very young team in the making which have won a test In those conditions 3 test's cant decide Kohli's skill, 3 test's cant raise a single shingle on Pujara's technique I font know what do fans want from Dhoni the batsmen at present he is averaging good being keeper and is performing whatever may be his captaincy issues though i know yet he is the best skipper availaible for India given the resources. Jai Hind!

  • on July 31, 2014, 15:15 GMT

    Lost venom? They never had any.

    Long tour taking its toll? What exactly had Pankaj Singh done that took its toll? Why not fly in replacements if you cannot use the bowlers who have not "lost their venom" like Ashwin and Aaron?

    The reason this series will be lost is because India does not have a bowling attack worthy of Test Cricket. On average this attack (even with Ishant) can at best be expected to take 10-14 wickets on average in a test. That is not enough to win in modern cricket.

    The batting is extremely fragile, and despite the pleasant surprise of Vijay being able to do his role in the opening slot, the more heralded stars are not focuse enough. Kohli seems unsure and increasingly incapable of shouldering the pressure required of a #4 bat, Pujara is tentative and Dhawan is being exposed for his weaknesses. Unlike Sehwag who hit through his weaknesses, Dhawan cannot be decisive enough.

    Rahane has been a bright spot and should be promoted to #4.

  • nade123 on July 31, 2014, 15:15 GMT

    Give Gautam Gambhir a chance.

  • SinSpider on July 31, 2014, 15:13 GMT

    The question is if Dhoni's fitness takes a hit, who will keep for India?

  • on July 31, 2014, 15:12 GMT

    Next test My 11....gambir..vijay..pujara..kohli..rahane..dhoni..jadeja..ashwin..binni..pankaj..and buvi.....

  • glen1 on July 31, 2014, 15:12 GMT

    There are two important factors that Monga should have questioned: (i) how important was it to win the toss and bat first?, and (ii)Would Ashwin have made a difference. Ian Chappell has been shouting mad at leaving Ashwin out, and this is especially stupid when the main strike bowler Ishanth had to be pulled off due to injury, and when English commentators have be saying that pitches help spin in the second half of the match. It is still clear as daylight that the Lord's win was a Ishanth flash in the pan, and aggression isi something Dhoni lacks in Tests; he plays too defensively, and the coaching staff has no say in picking the right team. The only way forward for India, is that Shami is replaced by Aaron, Ashwin plays and Anderson gets a ban from playing.

  • on July 31, 2014, 15:12 GMT

    Something wrong if bowlers gets tired playing 3 Test Matches.

  • here2rock on July 31, 2014, 15:10 GMT

    Wrong selection causing problems for India, they need a leg spinner like Amir Mishra in the side, along with Ashwin. Jadeja bowls too fast to be effective in England, there is no flight in his bowling. India is not having luck either with toss either, it was a vital toss.

  • VinodGupte on July 31, 2014, 15:08 GMT

    What long tour? This was test # 3 for Pete's sake! Do you expect to play two tests on every tour? Stop giving lame, laughable excuses for your inept leadership. Stop blaming sudden wickets, ineffective bowlers, pitch conditions, long tours, lack of match practice and global warming for your shortcomings and reflect inwards. Enough of this white elephant!

  • yogicoolboy on July 31, 2014, 15:07 GMT

    Bring in Gambhir and play 5 bowlers

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  • yogicoolboy on July 31, 2014, 15:07 GMT

    Bring in Gambhir and play 5 bowlers

  • VinodGupte on July 31, 2014, 15:08 GMT

    What long tour? This was test # 3 for Pete's sake! Do you expect to play two tests on every tour? Stop giving lame, laughable excuses for your inept leadership. Stop blaming sudden wickets, ineffective bowlers, pitch conditions, long tours, lack of match practice and global warming for your shortcomings and reflect inwards. Enough of this white elephant!

  • here2rock on July 31, 2014, 15:10 GMT

    Wrong selection causing problems for India, they need a leg spinner like Amir Mishra in the side, along with Ashwin. Jadeja bowls too fast to be effective in England, there is no flight in his bowling. India is not having luck either with toss either, it was a vital toss.

  • on July 31, 2014, 15:12 GMT

    Something wrong if bowlers gets tired playing 3 Test Matches.

  • glen1 on July 31, 2014, 15:12 GMT

    There are two important factors that Monga should have questioned: (i) how important was it to win the toss and bat first?, and (ii)Would Ashwin have made a difference. Ian Chappell has been shouting mad at leaving Ashwin out, and this is especially stupid when the main strike bowler Ishanth had to be pulled off due to injury, and when English commentators have be saying that pitches help spin in the second half of the match. It is still clear as daylight that the Lord's win was a Ishanth flash in the pan, and aggression isi something Dhoni lacks in Tests; he plays too defensively, and the coaching staff has no say in picking the right team. The only way forward for India, is that Shami is replaced by Aaron, Ashwin plays and Anderson gets a ban from playing.

  • on July 31, 2014, 15:12 GMT

    Next test My 11....gambir..vijay..pujara..kohli..rahane..dhoni..jadeja..ashwin..binni..pankaj..and buvi.....

  • SinSpider on July 31, 2014, 15:13 GMT

    The question is if Dhoni's fitness takes a hit, who will keep for India?

  • nade123 on July 31, 2014, 15:15 GMT

    Give Gautam Gambhir a chance.

  • on July 31, 2014, 15:15 GMT

    Lost venom? They never had any.

    Long tour taking its toll? What exactly had Pankaj Singh done that took its toll? Why not fly in replacements if you cannot use the bowlers who have not "lost their venom" like Ashwin and Aaron?

    The reason this series will be lost is because India does not have a bowling attack worthy of Test Cricket. On average this attack (even with Ishant) can at best be expected to take 10-14 wickets on average in a test. That is not enough to win in modern cricket.

    The batting is extremely fragile, and despite the pleasant surprise of Vijay being able to do his role in the opening slot, the more heralded stars are not focuse enough. Kohli seems unsure and increasingly incapable of shouldering the pressure required of a #4 bat, Pujara is tentative and Dhawan is being exposed for his weaknesses. Unlike Sehwag who hit through his weaknesses, Dhawan cannot be decisive enough.

    Rahane has been a bright spot and should be promoted to #4.

  • on July 31, 2014, 15:15 GMT

    #Arun Bose I totally agree with you, India will definetly make a comeback, I support your claim..Most of the cricket fans change with the roll of a dice When India won at lords England fans were rioting against Cook and England with their comments and Indian fans were singing the glory of their's As soon as England made a comeback ECB fans again rejoiced with England's success, and Indians have almost provided tips, that can compile a book in length, getting over the fact those are English conditions they forgot India is still a very young team in the making which have won a test In those conditions 3 test's cant decide Kohli's skill, 3 test's cant raise a single shingle on Pujara's technique I font know what do fans want from Dhoni the batsmen at present he is averaging good being keeper and is performing whatever may be his captaincy issues though i know yet he is the best skipper availaible for India given the resources. Jai Hind!