Ireland news June 16, 2010

Ponting calls on ICC to halt Ireland exodus

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Ahead of Australia's tour opener in Dublin, Ricky Ponting has called on the ICC to ensure that Ireland, as a developing cricket nation, cease to suffer by having promising players lured away from Irish cricket by lucrative contracts and the promise of better opportunities to play international cricket overseas.

"I'm very sympathetic to countries like Ireland that potentially could keep losing their better players. It's something that shouldn't happen I feel," Ponting said. "I think the ICC should be worried about that as far as trying to develop countries like Ireland and having some of their best young players poached, even in county cricket."

As a leading Associate nation, Ireland's player drain has received exposure in recent times after Eoin Morgan and Ed Joyce's move to England. Though Joyce has since made clear his intention to return to Ireland once more ahead of the 2011 World Cup, Morgan has cemented a spot in England's middle order in limited-overs cricket and made a start to his Test career with a debut against Bangladesh at Lord's last month.

England also appear to have an eye on Boyd Rankin, who plays county cricket for Warwickshire and was included in the ECB's enhanced England Performance Programme, and 17-year-old spinner George Dockrell's promising performances at the World Twenty20 will also surely have registered him on England's radar.

"If the ICC look at that and are fair dinkum about Ireland continuing to grow as a nation and maybe one day being a Test-playing nation they can't afford to have their better players going off at a young age. The counties are jumping on 17, 18-year-old kids who have maybe had a good tournament or a few good games here or there. They offer them some decent money and away they go."

Ireland have attempted to stem the player drain by professionalising their structures, and in January six players were given full-time central contracts while county-based players were offered additional financial support. They have also made their ambition to play Test cricket clear, but there are fears that unless Full Member status is granted soon, talented players will continue to drift away from Irish cricket.

"You can understand that as far as the players are concerned, but I think the ICC have to step in and do their best to ensure the young Irish kids that are coming along get a chance to play for their country first and foremost," Ponting added.

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  • POSTED BY siddharth.mishra on | June 20, 2010, 19:20 GMT

    Ireland ia very talented team and it pines me when a player from the lesser cricketing nations is poached. Zimbabawe after all the recnet turmoil are coming uo which is very heartening to see.. Bangladesh are the only side out of the minnows to get maximum exposure courtesy their test status.. and are getting better by the day... they flatter to deceiev at times but players like Tamim and Shakiib al hassan who is the best all rounder is the worls rt now proves that they cant be discounted... Holland is another competitive unit... And we all know how Afghanistan played at thr World T20. An annual 6 nation tournament beween Bangladesh, Zimbabawe, Ireland, Holland, Afghanistan and Scotland and giving it the right coverage/mileage can really hold these teams in good stead!!!

  • POSTED BY jaanson on | June 18, 2010, 17:15 GMT

    firstly it is important to know what the icc qualifying rules say. if a player is born in another country and holds a different passport then he has to wait for 4 years before he can play for the contry he was born in. earlier it used to be 7 years thats why greame hick had to wait that long before he qualified for england. what's happening now is players like nannes are taking advantage of the rules. so we had the crazy situation of him playing for holland in june 09 and october09 he was playing for australia. that's what needs to be looked at. once a player plays for an assocaite country then he should wait at least one year before playing for a full member country. ed joyce coming back to ireland is simply because he realises he has no chance of playing for england. icc must clamp down on such opportunism. make the qualifying rules in a way that it is fair to all concerened other wise countries like england austrlia south africa will keep poaching players from asso countries.

  • POSTED BY on | June 18, 2010, 3:58 GMT

    All you poms complaining that Ponting stole Dirk Nannes from the Netherlands - Nannes was born in Melbourne!

  • POSTED BY on | June 18, 2010, 2:10 GMT

    Wow! It is funny that whenever Ponting makes a statement or public appearance that so many Conspiracy Theorists jump out of the woodwork to analyse his words and motives and they always come to the conclusion that he is having a jab at someone, in this case the English. Why don't you all re- read the article and take it on face value. I, as a cricket fan, would love to see more competitive international sides. From reading this article I believe Ponting shares the same view. He is talking about bettering Irish cricket, he is not having a dig at the English!

  • POSTED BY mike9999 on | June 17, 2010, 23:50 GMT

    How about some exhibition matches between "The Irishmen" wherever they are playing now and "The South Africans" who are presently playing in/for England? It could be both encouraging and entertaining. Give Ricky his due, they could play for the Ponting Cup.

  • POSTED BY on | June 17, 2010, 16:41 GMT

    I think Mr. Ponitng is trying to show his generousity by supporting minnows like Ireland. But the truth is he is worried about England strength (likes of K.P., Eoin Morgan,) this is typical Aussie style of interviening into others business. Mr. Ponting i belive you have started the Aussie Tactics before the Ashes.

  • POSTED BY shameerpvt on | June 17, 2010, 16:38 GMT

    It is the lack of cricket infrastructure in Ireland to be blamed here. The players themselves must be proud to play for their country & this is a concern for cricket in the long run. First ICC should take steps to keep out politics out of cricket. Ponting & Australians play a dual game here. They want their former PM to enter into ICC & want others to follow their wishes.

  • POSTED BY N00dles on | June 17, 2010, 16:20 GMT

    Give Ireland full test status and I bet they could start to become competitive. The same way that England manages to find SA & Irish players the Irish could repeat themselves. I'm sure there would be more than a few Aussies who are fringe players who could play county standard and have a parent/grandparent situation similar to Nannes with his Dutch heritage but instead qualify to live in Ireland. Stop players switching back like Nannes did and they could build a team that could be respected. The younger generation would then have something to aim for and within a decade or so Ireland would be capable to bring through a full 11 in their own right.

  • POSTED BY theswami on | June 17, 2010, 15:09 GMT

    English should be ashamed to field a team of mercenaries, it is like a SA 'A' team salong with the best players poached from associate nations ...

  • POSTED BY KalanaSam on | June 17, 2010, 14:30 GMT

    Ireland deserves ful membrship. England should find their on plyrs. i mean 7 south africans & an irishman in their wrld cp winn in squad! anyways its fair for a plyr to play for the side he is pickd. any cricketers dream is to play test cricket. england can play tests & ireland cant so the irish wil obviously have to play for england to play a test. By the way i think ponting's sudden compassion towards ireland is that england is strong with these plyrs & he is jelous of that

  • POSTED BY siddharth.mishra on | June 20, 2010, 19:20 GMT

    Ireland ia very talented team and it pines me when a player from the lesser cricketing nations is poached. Zimbabawe after all the recnet turmoil are coming uo which is very heartening to see.. Bangladesh are the only side out of the minnows to get maximum exposure courtesy their test status.. and are getting better by the day... they flatter to deceiev at times but players like Tamim and Shakiib al hassan who is the best all rounder is the worls rt now proves that they cant be discounted... Holland is another competitive unit... And we all know how Afghanistan played at thr World T20. An annual 6 nation tournament beween Bangladesh, Zimbabawe, Ireland, Holland, Afghanistan and Scotland and giving it the right coverage/mileage can really hold these teams in good stead!!!

  • POSTED BY jaanson on | June 18, 2010, 17:15 GMT

    firstly it is important to know what the icc qualifying rules say. if a player is born in another country and holds a different passport then he has to wait for 4 years before he can play for the contry he was born in. earlier it used to be 7 years thats why greame hick had to wait that long before he qualified for england. what's happening now is players like nannes are taking advantage of the rules. so we had the crazy situation of him playing for holland in june 09 and october09 he was playing for australia. that's what needs to be looked at. once a player plays for an assocaite country then he should wait at least one year before playing for a full member country. ed joyce coming back to ireland is simply because he realises he has no chance of playing for england. icc must clamp down on such opportunism. make the qualifying rules in a way that it is fair to all concerened other wise countries like england austrlia south africa will keep poaching players from asso countries.

  • POSTED BY on | June 18, 2010, 3:58 GMT

    All you poms complaining that Ponting stole Dirk Nannes from the Netherlands - Nannes was born in Melbourne!

  • POSTED BY on | June 18, 2010, 2:10 GMT

    Wow! It is funny that whenever Ponting makes a statement or public appearance that so many Conspiracy Theorists jump out of the woodwork to analyse his words and motives and they always come to the conclusion that he is having a jab at someone, in this case the English. Why don't you all re- read the article and take it on face value. I, as a cricket fan, would love to see more competitive international sides. From reading this article I believe Ponting shares the same view. He is talking about bettering Irish cricket, he is not having a dig at the English!

  • POSTED BY mike9999 on | June 17, 2010, 23:50 GMT

    How about some exhibition matches between "The Irishmen" wherever they are playing now and "The South Africans" who are presently playing in/for England? It could be both encouraging and entertaining. Give Ricky his due, they could play for the Ponting Cup.

  • POSTED BY on | June 17, 2010, 16:41 GMT

    I think Mr. Ponitng is trying to show his generousity by supporting minnows like Ireland. But the truth is he is worried about England strength (likes of K.P., Eoin Morgan,) this is typical Aussie style of interviening into others business. Mr. Ponting i belive you have started the Aussie Tactics before the Ashes.

  • POSTED BY shameerpvt on | June 17, 2010, 16:38 GMT

    It is the lack of cricket infrastructure in Ireland to be blamed here. The players themselves must be proud to play for their country & this is a concern for cricket in the long run. First ICC should take steps to keep out politics out of cricket. Ponting & Australians play a dual game here. They want their former PM to enter into ICC & want others to follow their wishes.

  • POSTED BY N00dles on | June 17, 2010, 16:20 GMT

    Give Ireland full test status and I bet they could start to become competitive. The same way that England manages to find SA & Irish players the Irish could repeat themselves. I'm sure there would be more than a few Aussies who are fringe players who could play county standard and have a parent/grandparent situation similar to Nannes with his Dutch heritage but instead qualify to live in Ireland. Stop players switching back like Nannes did and they could build a team that could be respected. The younger generation would then have something to aim for and within a decade or so Ireland would be capable to bring through a full 11 in their own right.

  • POSTED BY theswami on | June 17, 2010, 15:09 GMT

    English should be ashamed to field a team of mercenaries, it is like a SA 'A' team salong with the best players poached from associate nations ...

  • POSTED BY KalanaSam on | June 17, 2010, 14:30 GMT

    Ireland deserves ful membrship. England should find their on plyrs. i mean 7 south africans & an irishman in their wrld cp winn in squad! anyways its fair for a plyr to play for the side he is pickd. any cricketers dream is to play test cricket. england can play tests & ireland cant so the irish wil obviously have to play for england to play a test. By the way i think ponting's sudden compassion towards ireland is that england is strong with these plyrs & he is jelous of that

  • POSTED BY on | June 17, 2010, 13:41 GMT

    Hope d ICC stops this exodus else Irish and Dutch criket will suffer. Some ppl like Rankin and ten Doeschate are excellent players, bt are lured 2 play in d county cricket............this shd stop...maybe an European non-Test team for CLT20??

  • POSTED BY on | June 17, 2010, 13:23 GMT

    Lets be honest, people who are saying England are 'stealing' SA players, well they aren't, they're picking up players SA dont want (with the possible exception of Kieswetter) Strauss and Prior are a bit different in this case, Strauss was VERY young when he moved to England (6?), also I was under the impression that he was born overseas due to one of his parents jobs (but that may be wrong) and kind of the same with Prior (11) who both moved here way before they had any expectations of being able to play for England, so to call that stealing is wrong. The Ireland situation is a bit different to the SA one, because it's unfair to expect a person to be happy as a big fish in a little pond, and if the likes of Morgan/Joyce are offered test cricket, they'd be fools to turn it down, because the ECB have pretty much said that Ireland won't play tests.

  • POSTED BY Singhe on | June 17, 2010, 12:56 GMT

    Whoa..Ricky sounds like a Socialist dictator complaining to the "'world government"...it is the CRICKETER"S decision to play for whom he wants to..it is called freedom tp ply your trade. That being said, if I am on the Irish team, I will refuse to play with Ed Joyce if he is accepted back to play for Ireland.

  • POSTED BY Paul_JT on | June 17, 2010, 12:15 GMT

    Whilst the timing of the Australian captain to air these views is no doubt opportune to provoke England, he has a legitimate point. Granted it is difficult to legislate for all eventualities of what constitutes nationality; place of birth, upbringing and parents etc. However it should be easy for the ICC to forbid any individual from representing one nation (full or associate) at senior or U19 level, and then switch allegiance to another.

  • POSTED BY maddy20 on | June 17, 2010, 11:44 GMT

    For once I agree with Ponting. Englad snatching Irish and South African players is not good for cricket. If Ireland are to prosper this has got to stop. If they really are a good team then let them field 11 English players and see how far they get in major events!

  • POSTED BY on | June 17, 2010, 11:38 GMT

    Ricking is right,but same is true for them also.Eng always use S.A players and now start using Irish aswel.

  • POSTED BY on | June 17, 2010, 11:35 GMT

    hey @radin dirk nannes is from australia only he played cricket for netherlands just bcoz he could not get into the australian team he also represented australia in another sport and ricky ponting is right here the english team's most talented players are from outside england

  • POSTED BY Timmuh on | June 17, 2010, 11:25 GMT

    The best thing may be to allow players form associate nations to play for major nations, especially in Test cricket. But if the associate nations gains full status, they swap abck with immediate effect. So, Joyce might build experience playing for England and if Ireland gain Test status the Irish can call on that experience. Players good enough to play at the elite level can do so, even if unfortunate enough to come form a nation not at the top level. The only real problem I see with that is that the nation who takes on such a player, in this example England, may attempt to block the entry of a nation in order to keep their poached player(s). What to do with those players in limited overs cricket, whether 50 or 20 over limits, is a bit more difficult. Joyce could hardly play for England except if Ireland qualify, but somehow Ireland should get first call on their players.

  • POSTED BY lucy82 on | June 17, 2010, 10:37 GMT

    BobVilla 'What have England done to develop their imports, absolutely nothing' What are you talking about? Morgan came to England when he was 14, he developed his cricket in England.

  • POSTED BY lucy82 on | June 17, 2010, 10:21 GMT

    BillyCC i was just trying to say it was always his choice, he didn't need any encouragement, he wasn't stolen. Eoin's mum is English, he has as much right to play for England as anyone else in the team. No different to other sports which people never seem to have a problem with. Today someone from the Irish team said they couldn't say anything because they have players from other countries playing for them. Seems the only person whinging (as usual) is Ponting, he has his own agenda.

  • POSTED BY blinkyisback on | June 17, 2010, 9:54 GMT

    Well, either an associate team from the whole world or associate teams from the continents. There is something of an ebb and flow with the standards in associate nations at any one time, depending largely i think on the talent of a few of their leading players. So there is not really an easy answer with granting test status. We saw how good Kenya could be with Tikolo and Odumbe at their best and not so long ago Scotland was king of the associates, however both teams have slipped a little now. So perhaps we could see Continental teams selected from Europe, Africa, Asia and The Americas. All of these teams could compete very well and rather than just 11 players from a hugely diverse area gaining experience you would see 50 players from much tighter areas being able to train and play together on a very regular basis and competing well against the likes of the West Indies, Zimbabwe and Bangladesh..

    What do people think of this idea?

  • POSTED BY Bramo_Tas on | June 17, 2010, 9:51 GMT

    RaDIN, Nannes is Australian born, why should he be playing for the Dutch? Ed Joyce only wants to qualify for Ireland again because he's out of the England setup. Ponting is right, if the ICC are really serious about developing associate nations, they need to make it harder for players to qualify for other coutries. Maybe up it to 10 years residence. The likes of Andrew Strauss and Andrew Symonds - genuine immigrants to their chosen countries would have no issues and it would be harder for players to choose who they play for.

  • POSTED BY Munkeymomo on | June 17, 2010, 9:44 GMT

    @RaDIN: Dude, you ever hear Nannes talk? He's not dutch, he's an aussie!

  • POSTED BY RaDIN on | June 17, 2010, 8:28 GMT

    Whoa! Mr. Ricky Patinga, Why are you using the services of Dirk Nannes? Just drop him from your current squad. Let him improve Netherlands cricket!

  • POSTED BY johntycodes on | June 17, 2010, 8:19 GMT

    How is irish players moving to play for england any different than the players from the 4 west indian countries all playing together.

  • POSTED BY simon_w on | June 17, 2010, 8:01 GMT

    @pianofan - is that what Ponting is saying? i agree with your point completely - get Ireland in as soon as possible - like Bangladesh, they'll probably be competitive in home (and home-like) conditions, and less so in unfamiliar climes. Doesn't seem to me that's what Ponting's actually saying, though - reading his comments here and on the BBC he just seems to be taking largely aimless swipes. It's also quite insulting to the Irish players to suggest it's just about money for them. They want to play cricket at the highest level they can. Going to play for an English county does not equal turning their backs on Ireland.

  • POSTED BY Vasi-Koosi on | June 17, 2010, 7:50 GMT

    I am not sure if Ricky's concerns are genuine... He is worried that England has a better pool, which could impact his Ashes recapture. We have to realize that the game is bigger than the folks playing it. Whatever restrictions we put in, market economy will have its say in everything we say and do. We talk a lot about the cricketers from SA who did not play on the world center stage due to sanctions, now should the same be done to these young cricketers when they are a very exciting prospect. Money & sense of security are the only ones that can change this trend. Make sure ICC gets a sponsor who will promote the game in that country. I am sure KP would not have moved to England, if there was a remote chance for him to play cricket in SA.

  • POSTED BY ToMegaTherion1986 on | June 17, 2010, 7:44 GMT

    To add to my previous comment, here is an idea that may help the associates and their leading player stay with their teams. Have an ICC funded and independently selected Associate XI to compete in test matches and other International tours except World Cups/ ICC trophies ect. This team could receive ongoing coaching be some of the best coaches in the world as well as partaking in a global tour program. I think that could be an incentive for these players to stay with their nations but they receive the opportunity and money for playing as a fully fledged international cricketer.

  • POSTED BY ToMegaTherion1986 on | June 17, 2010, 7:39 GMT

    I totally agree with Ricky Pontings sentiment, I think anyone who follows irish cricket has some sympathy for them in the last couple of years. Irish Cricket develops the player, player is lured to England on county contract, if he is amongst the top 30 players in England then it seems likely the player will be poached. I'm actually against a multi tier test structure, and am more for having a test championship that may include one or two associates. Ireland should however be consider a full member immediately. They are good enough right now for test cricket, and if you throw in Joyce and posibly Hamish Marshall next year they could be a fairly useful team not to be underestimated.

    Switching nationalities should be highly restricted and monitored. I think if a Test nation is going to poach a player from an associate then ok, but the accosiate nation should then be compensated financially or through further assistance in coaching equipment infrastructure ect.

  • POSTED BY Steve145 on | June 17, 2010, 7:00 GMT

    First and foremost, a tiered test structure. WE NEED IT. There is no other sport where there is a set of rules only for the highest level. This is for a good reason. Also, I read somewhere someone suggesting and "Ascociate 11" be put together. This sounds like a pretty sensible suggestion to me. You could put together a decent test team out of the associate nations, and that would give them some top level test experience to take back and share.

  • POSTED BY popcorn on | June 17, 2010, 6:59 GMT

    England is the greatest offender when it comes to poaching cricketers from other countries. It sounds funny when Kevin Pietersen and Jonathan Trott say they play for love of their country. Which country? South Africa? Ireland is far better than Bangla Desh and is entitled to Test Status - considering that Bangla Desh is.

  • POSTED BY on | June 17, 2010, 6:27 GMT

    I believe purely and simply that players should not be able to play for other countries. We've also got to ask ourselves is it really fair for other countries playing those countries with ex-pats. We've all heard the critisisms - for example when England won the world T20 that they have so many overseas players it is barely an England team (South-Africa, Ireland etc) and while I don't want to take anything away from England on this occasion, the critics I believe do have a point. When a country faces up against another, it should be on the understanding they are playing opposition all from the stated country - this way it comes down only to these merits, and not what country has the best opportunities.

  • POSTED BY EddyM on | June 17, 2010, 6:10 GMT

    ICC should not allow players to move countries so freely.

    So what if Eoin Morgan wants to play test cricket? Tough luck. Make qualification by residence more difficult, maybe 6 years and no switching back and forth (like Ed Joyce wants).

  • POSTED BY Meety on | June 17, 2010, 4:56 GMT

    Following on from previous.... Class C would have the opportunity to improve against nations that are of the same level & develop against slightly better teams. There would be a 4 year promotion & relegation system. It might be that Class B becomes 6 nations, picking up a couple of Class C teams & other nations like Canada & Nepal get promoted to C status. Also I would like to see a trophy awarded to the title holder of the #1 ranked side in tests. Everytime the #1 side plays the Trophy is up for grabs - like in boxing.

  • POSTED BY BillyCC on | June 17, 2010, 4:54 GMT

    Lucy82, it doesn't matter whether Eoin Morgan wanted to play for England at a young age. Of course he would, Ireland didn't have a cricket team at an international level when he was young. However, if they had, and there are now opportunities to explore and extend test status to other countries, then Eoin Morgan might want to play for Ireland.

  • POSTED BY Meety on | June 17, 2010, 4:52 GMT

    I think a 3 tiered test structure would be the way to go. With the ability to filter statistics it wouldnt be too hard to preserve the integrity of historical data. I believe the top 6 nations should be Class A, play each other every 4 years home & away over a minimum 3 tests, (Ashes 5 - assuming England are in top 6! LOL). THe teams ranked 7 to 10 are in Class B. Class B play each other like in the case of Class A, Class B can play Class A every four years in home and & away but over 2 tests at home and one test abroad, (meaning Class B plays a one-off test in the Class A nation). Class C would be for nations like Afghan, Ireland Scotland & Kenya + Netherlands. They play each other in test-like conditions but only play Tests against Class B in much the same way that Class B & A play against each other 2 Tests at home & 1 away. This structure would mean the top nations are playing quality matches against each other at a profit, Class B still can play top quality matches against ClassA.

  • POSTED BY tfjones1978 on | June 17, 2010, 4:49 GMT

    Some points on Nannes: Born, raised & cricket learnt in Aust. Was loaned by Aust to Dutch after Cricket Aust & Nannes chatted. Can not play for Dutch for 4yrs. Nannes wants to play T20I cricket for Australia..

    Some points on Morgan: Born, raised & cricket learnt in Ireland. Was taken by England without Ireland consultation. Can not play for Ireland for 4yrs. Morgan wants to play Test cricket for Ireland, but doesnt want to miss playing Test Cricket.

    Resolution points: (1) Give temp test status to Intercontinential Cup winner for 2 years (they still play ICup but also Test Cricket). (2) Make an "Associate XI" Test Team for any player of a country not with permanent or temp test status (playing each test in a different country). (3) Ban players from playing for higher ranked countries then their country of significant cricket history (based on last 7 years of domestic cricket). (4) Get bottom ranked test teams to play more matches against top associate countries.

  • POSTED BY Meety on | June 17, 2010, 4:44 GMT

    I think there is a simple solution, allow players from Ireland & Scotland to play for England until those other countries achieve Test status, in terms of ODIs & T20s - the home nations of these players should have first right of call. The qualification rules should be strict on players who have come from another test nation - eg SA to England. I would see no harm in some Afghans playing for Pakistan @ test level or in tournaments where Afghanistan is NOT playing in. Obviously improving the ability of the Associate Nations to pay more central contracts must be a priority. T20 could be the way forward for creating a bigger pool of money to help smaller nations, the T20 Champions League could include national sides from Ireland, Afhanistan, Scotland, Zim & Kenya. Strong performances for these countries could see players picked up in the IPL or the Aussie Big Bash. This would be an incentive to remain in the Associate system. Also I do like the idea of having a tiered test structure.

  • POSTED BY on | June 17, 2010, 3:28 GMT

    Dirk Nannes only played for Netherlands because he WASNT selected to play for Australia and wanted to play internationally. Nannes has been playing First-Class cricket in Australia since 2006.

  • POSTED BY Jmoney90 on | June 17, 2010, 3:16 GMT

    Dirk Nannes was born in Melbourne. He only played for the Netherlands because he never thought he could play for Australia.

  • POSTED BY Wattyaus on | June 17, 2010, 3:10 GMT

    Wat u talkin bout aus dnt need any players from other countrys England and nannes was born in aus not like England players steal em from everywheremuat b shit players in England

  • POSTED BY hickmon on | June 17, 2010, 3:05 GMT

    LazyGenious, Nannes was born in Australia so technically the Dutch stole him away from Australia initially

  • POSTED BY willharry on | June 17, 2010, 3:05 GMT

    Anyone making comparisons to Nannes is fooling themselves, or just plain naive. Dirka never played a game in the Netherlands, nor is he a young talent likely to lead them to be test-worthy one day. Let's be realistic now, when the opportunity to play in higher grade cricket is available all players should be encouraged to take this opportunity, including young Irish players playing for the counties. BUT, and this is the key, Associate nations must have full access to their players when it comes to international matches. When Ireland has a squad of test worthy players, then they should be given the status and morgan welcomed home with open arms - until then, let him play internationals and thrill the crowds. He'll be a huge draw card for Ireland if he has some status behind him.

  • POSTED BY gilbert84 on | June 17, 2010, 3:03 GMT

    The Dirk Nannes issue is not really on point because Australia cannot poach all of the Dutch team (and who would want to?). Ireland's problem is that any and all of their good players can be swiped by England. Ireland is the best associate team and deserves to now be a full member or else sooner or later they will fade away rather than getting better.

  • POSTED BY PFEL on | June 17, 2010, 2:55 GMT

    Dirk Nannes is fully Australian. He was born in Australia, grew up in Australia and played all his cricket in Australia. He has dutch parents and hence was eligible to represent them int he world T20. If anything the netherlands took him away from Australia! Thats why his situatiion has no relation to do with what Ponting is talking about here: that irish players, born raised in Ireland, are moving to England.

  • POSTED BY Fanatic_cricko on | June 17, 2010, 2:44 GMT

    In a few years time, the entire England side will be full of 2 major nationalities: Pakistanis and Irish.........

  • POSTED BY Iron-Haggis on | June 17, 2010, 2:42 GMT

    The Ponting bashing begins right away, firstly get over it, it is getting very petty and pathetic. To those bringing up the Dirk Nannes issue. Nannes is Australian. Born in Australia, grew up in Australia and learnt his cricket in Australia, so why aren't you complaining about the Netherlands stealing Australian talent... double standards. As you can see it is very different to England going over to Ireland and going hey that 18 year old Irish kid isn't bad, let's get him over here and he can play for England. 2 different situations.

  • POSTED BY Andy_P on | June 17, 2010, 2:40 GMT

    To all those citing Dirk Nannes as some sort of hypocrisy, please try and keep it in perspective, as it really is a false equivalency. Dirk Nannes was brought through the Australian cricketing ranks, and only played for the Netherlands as an opportunity for exposure to international cricket, since he wasn't getting the call up to the Australian national team, at the time. Apples and Oranges, by comparison with the Irish examples. The Netherlands are not as far along as Ireland....

  • POSTED BY RIGAN007 on | June 17, 2010, 2:39 GMT

    Ricky you are right. England cricket team does not have any high profile player to represant there country.The always carry player frm SA & Ireland.It's a shame for England Cricket.!!!

  • POSTED BY essennkay on | June 17, 2010, 2:38 GMT

    For all those having a go at Ponting about Dirk Nannes playing for Australia, you might get you facts right to avoid showing your ignorance, because if you had bothered to check, Dirk Nannes was born in Australia (Mount Waverly, Victoria), so how could he be poached from the Netherlands, by playing for his country of birth, Australia???

  • POSTED BY D.V.C. on | June 17, 2010, 2:14 GMT

    Dirk Nannes was a product of the Australian first class system. He was born in Australia. He is an Australian. He represented Australia in skiing prior to playing cricket. He only played for the Netherlands because he has Dutch parents and Australia didn't pick him. Basically the Netherlands poached him for a while, not the other way around!

  • POSTED BY simon_w on | June 17, 2010, 2:13 GMT

    The only solution to this is if Ireland gain Test status. Eoin Morgan is the first and only player from Ireland to have represented England in a Test match, but if there are ever any other Irishmen who are good enough to get into the England Test team, you can understand them being tempted too. it's interesting to note that it's only recently that the Ireland side are made up of majority of Irish-born players, with now less than half being SA and Aus imports. Ponting's comments are largely nonsense, since the best of those Irish-born players have are those who have had the benefit of playing with the counties - I'm thinking of the O'Brien brothers and others. without those opportunities, there would be far fewer international standard Irish cricketers.

  • POSTED BY BobVilla on | June 17, 2010, 2:07 GMT

    At least Dirk Nannes was born and raised in Australia. The Dutch benefited from Australia in that instance. What have England done to develop their imports, absolutely nothing.

  • POSTED BY andrew.henshaw on | June 17, 2010, 2:03 GMT

    Seriously guys - how many times does it need to be said? Dirk Nannes is AUSTRALIAN. He was born in Melbourne and nearly represented Australia in skiing. He played several seasons on Australian state cricket for his native victory. the ONLY time he has played for the netherlands was through a loophole when he was stupidly overlooked by Australia. Nannes is NOTHING like the irish situation.

  • POSTED BY andrew.henshaw on | June 17, 2010, 2:02 GMT

    Seriously guys - how many times does it need to be said? Dirk Nannes is AUSTRALIAN. He was born in Melbourne and nearly represented Australia in skiing. He played several seasons on Australian state cricket for his native victory. the ONLY time he has played for the netherlands was through a loophole when he was stupidly overlooked by Australia. Nannes is NOTHING like the irish situation.

  • POSTED BY kaarthik9925 on | June 17, 2010, 1:52 GMT

    but in case of australia this is the only one player who has been imported and more than that he was playing for a state side in australia.

  • POSTED BY vish1036 on | June 17, 2010, 1:44 GMT

    funny...i guess this his comments would be so that AUS could be England more...but i think what he is saying is right...and on the subject of Nannes everyone talking of hypocrisy...Nannes was born in Aus...

  • POSTED BY on | June 17, 2010, 1:42 GMT

    Nannes is Australian, born and bred. Learnt all his cricket and played all his professional cricket in Australia. He went to Holland because he was desperate to play International cricket and the Aussies wouldn't select him, so he went to Holland - the place of birth of his parents, which is why he qualified for them. These Irish kids and born and bred Irish and are all leaving to go play for England. Also, Nannes is merely playing T20 for Australia, not tests... and he could easily keep playing for Holland... but obviously Australia is his no.1, Holland was just a place for him to expand his horizons.

  • POSTED BY left_arm_unorthodox on | June 17, 2010, 1:37 GMT

    Ponting is right. How will Ireland every get to test status if they lose their players because they do not have test status? It is chicken and egg and some high-level planning needs to be done to break the cycle.

    Nannes is a very different case. He grew up in Australia and played for the Netherlands due to his parentage. He chose to play for Holland because he was 30 and at that time not getting picked for Australia; you could argue that the Dutch 'poached' him off Australia, in the sense that he was playing first class and club cricket in Australia as an Australian (who just happened to have dual citizenship). I know there are plenty out there who will attack Ponting every chance they get, bit on this occasion the attacks are unfair and ignorant.

  • POSTED BY on | June 17, 2010, 1:34 GMT

    You guys obviously haven't thought abotu what you are saying. Nannes has a dual passport, netherlands and australia. he has been playing in Australia as a local player and so can be selected by Australia to play. Morgan and Joyce arent' English, and therefore shoudlnt' be taken away to play for England. Nannes still has the right to return to the Netherlands when he likes

  • POSTED BY kingkarthik on | June 17, 2010, 1:24 GMT

    For once Ponting has said something which makes absolute sense and I agree with him...which rarely ever happens. The ECB is akin to a pimp, when the local talent runs out, they scour the land in the hopes of netting some new exotic item. Enough of this nonsense of poaching decent players from Ireland, I really like them, especially Trent Johnson. Shame on you Engalnd for your disgusting policy.

  • POSTED BY NKJcric on | June 17, 2010, 1:16 GMT

    Guys, Nannes is originally a thouroughbred Aussie and went to play for netherlands not only to represent them, but to show the Australian selectors what they are missing. He said it himself to reporters! He also first came to first class cricket playing for Victoria,the state in which he grew up, and as far as i know he has hardly played in the netherlands. Finally Nannes got HIS wish when he was noticed by selectors. His case is alot like John Davison's where a player goes to play for a country of their birth ecause they had limited opportunities in the country they were raised.So this seems to be quite different to England's treatment of irish players

  • POSTED BY Nerk on | June 17, 2010, 0:59 GMT

    One commentator on this side suggested that players like Morgan and Joyce should be able to play cricket for Ireland, whilst still being eligible for test cricket with England. This way Irish players can fulfil their ambitions in what is the toughest, purest form of cricket, whilst representing their home nation in limited overs events. This can only be good for cricketing nations like Ireland. At least until Ireland can begin to play test cricket for themselves!

  • POSTED BY lucy82 on | June 17, 2010, 0:58 GMT

    Eoin Morgan knew from a young age that he wanted to play for England, it was his decision. England didn't poach him, he came to them. As for Ponting he needs to look at his own team instead of being a hypocrite.

  • POSTED BY on | June 17, 2010, 0:55 GMT

    What are you guys talking about? Nannes was born and raised in Australia. He only played overseas when he was overlooked last year. Not sure how that is the same as players leaving their home country? In Nannes' case it would be Australian's complaining that he was playing for a different country (which they wouldn't because he was overlooked after all). This issue is related to Ireland not having full status, leading to players needing to go overseas to have fully fledged careers. Show some intelligence and actually understand the issue rather than letting your bias shine through in your comments.

  • POSTED BY nate63 on | June 17, 2010, 0:49 GMT

    You cant compare with Nannes, he isn't a dutch citizen who has come to play first class cricket then went on to play for Australia. Nannes was born in Victoria, and raised through the Victorian cricket system. He happens to have dutch heritage so he took an opportunity to represent them and there were happy to have him. Morgan and Joyce played their junior cricket in Ireland, they are not products of English junior system, but a product of good players trying to be professional cricketors. Nannes was not "stolen" from the Dutch as is the case with Irish, and South Africans. Nannes to Morgan is like Apples to Oranges.

  • POSTED BY Salmon89 on | June 17, 2010, 0:48 GMT

    Calling Ponting hypocritical is a little unfair. The Nannes issue is different to that of Morgan/ Ed Joyce in several ways. Firstly, Nannes is mid 30s, won't get picked to play Test cricket for Australia (has retired from 4-day cricket recently) and apart from Ryan ten Doeschate, I don't believe there are any current Dutch players who are close to Test standard. Secondly, there is a possibility Ireland would be good enough in a number of years to play Test cricket, whereas Holland are at least a decade away, if in fact they ever get Test status. Thirdly, Ireland are the best associate team (ranked 11th? assuming they are still behind Bangladesh and Zim). Holland did not even qualify for the recent T20 comp, and are ranked behind Afghanistan. Fourthly the Nannes situation is a one-off, has lived most of his life in Oz, whereas Ireland are producing players consistently who may be good enough to play Test cricket & who currently play county ckt - Boyd Rankin, George Dockrell etc

  • POSTED BY Wattyaus on | June 17, 2010, 0:43 GMT

    Nannes was born in aus that is the difference half the England team arnt ponying is jus sayin it to b fair coz England steals every1s players coz they're shit themself

  • POSTED BY chris_drake on | June 17, 2010, 0:36 GMT

    The thing with Nannes is different. He wanted to play for Australia, but missed out so he chose to play for Netherlands, and is a bit old to really be impacting any future test ambitions Netherlands have. Learned his cricket in Australia too.

    The difference is England stealing up and coming players, most of whom learned their trade in the countires they were born in. But as long as somebody has an English passport, or is part of the UK, they're happy to take them...how much other young English cricketers feel about places in the side being taken by Irish and South Africans?

  • POSTED BY ponting164 on | June 17, 2010, 0:29 GMT

    Oh for pete's sake would everyone lay off the Dirk Nannes thing. That has nothing to do with what Ponting's talking about. News flash to you all who are complaining about Ponting having double standards by having Dirk in his team when he has also represented the Netherlands......He was born in Australia....he is an Australian....not Dutch. If he had been born in the Netherlands you would have a point about ponting having double standard, but he wasn't. He is an Aussie who has Dutch heritage. That is why he helped them out. He can play for both if he wants to, but that has nothing to do with what Ponting is on about. The whole point Ponting is trying to make is simply giving a smaller, fledgeling nation like Ireland a better chance of making it to the bigtime by keeping their best native talent. End of story...stop trying to make something out of something that just isn't there simply because you have a disliking of Ponting. Stop your whinging!

  • POSTED BY Rooboy on | June 17, 2010, 0:24 GMT

    @Murali Thakur, Lakshminarayan_Swaminathan, LazyGenious etc ... it's hard to know whether you are being serious or just joking. If you are serious then your comparisons are ridiculous. There are MAJOR differences between Nannes and the Irish players, given that Nannes was BORN IN AUSTRALIA and played all his cricket in Australia. Yes, Nannes represented the Netherlands when he couldn't crack the Australian team, but he is not a player that the Dutch developed who Australia then poached, he is a product of the Australian system. Also Lakshminarayan_Swaminathan, what on earth do mean by 'you can't ... comment in isolation about the gains English cricket is making' - READ THE ARTICLE!!! Ponting does not mention england or gains to english cricket at all, the fact that you have to make things up in order to bash Ponting indicates the strength of your argument.

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2010, 23:50 GMT

    Nannes wasnnt picked for Australia and CHOSE 2 play for Netherlands..He did not play his cricket in Netherlands or was he lured to play for Australia. H

  • POSTED BY BillyCC on | June 16, 2010, 23:50 GMT

    Well said Ricky. The point is that if Ireland can compete as part of the cricketing world, the ICC should regulate this. I use the word "compete" to counter some of the arguments made in the forum on Nannes. It can hardly be said that the Dutch "compete" on the world stage, whereas Ireland seem to be developing the talent required to form a team similar to the Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe teams when they first started out on the world stage. And duncanmoo is right, England do a disservice to their own people by not selecting English players.

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2010, 23:45 GMT

    Hmmm Dirk Nannes is a Dutch and still can join Aussie team while Eoin Morgan and Ed Joyce are by the way, from United Kigdom,,,, They can play for England.

  • POSTED BY obstreperous on | June 16, 2010, 23:40 GMT

    Nannes has dual citizenship, I understand, so it's not quite the same issue. Anyway, we really wanted him for our Olympic skiing team.

  • POSTED BY D.S.A on | June 16, 2010, 23:28 GMT

    He is correct in that the ICC should be preventing this being an issue for associate countries, but it is also hypocritical as, like people have mentioned already, Dirk Nannes is representing Australia, after playing for the Netherlands. What I don't understand is why Australia even need him because even though he is a good bowler, they have plenty of bowlers to choose from, so it is not necessary for them to poach players from other countries, especially associate countries. That is what separates the quality of Australia in comparison to England as the latter need to poach batsmen from other countries out of pure necessity, whilst Australia do not need to...and I am an England fan, appalled at this fact being rarely mentioned by the media who know that it is THE TRUTH!

  • POSTED BY loggerfloodles on | June 16, 2010, 23:27 GMT

    For all those complaining about Nannes, it was really more like the Dutch stealing him from Australia! He played for the Netherlands on a technicality (his parent's moved to Australia from there). It's much the same thing with Brendan Nash, neither were really given much of a hope of playing for Australia, and so jumped ships because they had the opportunity elsewhere, and more power to them. Nannes played almost all his cricket in Australia prior to the T20 WC and was really only playing for the Dutch to show the Ausii selectors what he could do. And anyway, he's in his 30s, so it's a little different to England luring players who would be among the strongest players in the Irish XI.

  • POSTED BY redneck on | June 16, 2010, 23:17 GMT

    @Lakshminarayan_Swaminathan, Murali Thakur & LazyGenious. you guys clearly dont have a clue! nannes is australian born and raised he qualified for the dutch through his dad being born there!

  • POSTED BY flocky on | June 16, 2010, 23:16 GMT

    Is there any way that players can be able to have a special ICC dispensation in this case, where there is a minor differentiation between test and limited over. While Ireland are not a test nation is there a chance to have those players deemed good enough for test cricket (such as Eion Morgan) be available to England for tests and be able to play county cricket (for the stronger cricket) but then play for Ireland in 50 over tournaments (and T20). That way players don't have to give up on the Irish side to chase the opportunity for test cricket???

  • POSTED BY ygkd on | June 16, 2010, 23:08 GMT

    Test status for Ireland will take time. What needs to happen is that the players who exit are encouraged and allowed back again without time penalty or restrictions. That way, something positive can come out of this. If Eire were to get back players like Morgan in the midst of an established career they would be much the stronger for it. But the ECB will have to accept that this is the price they pay for having them in the mean time.

  • POSTED BY Chris_P on | June 16, 2010, 22:57 GMT

    For those ignorant ones out there who either don't look up their facts or just enjoy sticking their feet in their mouths, Dirk Nannes was BORN in Australia and was playing and only ever played for Australian teams before the Dutch used the option of playing himn from Australia as one of his parents was Dutch.

    What Ponting is speaking about are players born, raised and playing within the Irish system. Irelant has a realistic chance of test status one day, the Dutch have no chance. How naive can some people be? Pplease, please get your facts right before writing idiotic statments. If the ICC is serious about allowing Ireland test status, they must initiate a program to allow the Irish system to groom their players in readiness for this sphere of action. If they sit back and sit on their hands, then the player drain exodus will contionue ad infinitum and the Irish will struggle from the outset. There needs to be some vision and a program if they persue this course.

  • POSTED BY threeheadedmonkey on | June 16, 2010, 22:54 GMT

    Nannes parents were from netherlands, he was born and played club cricket in Australia i thought?

  • POSTED BY DaTBird187 on | June 16, 2010, 22:52 GMT

    What all the ill-informed posters fail to realise is that Dirk Nannes is actually Australian, he wasn't poached from anyone. The fact he played for The Netherlands is because he wasn't good enough to play for Australia in the World Cup. I'd love to meet an English fan who is proud of the fact their teams in various forms could have 4-5 South African and Irish players in it....they must be very sad individuals.

  • POSTED BY I_and_I on | June 16, 2010, 22:44 GMT

    Honestly, that's the smartest thing that I've heard Pointing say! The England Cricket Team would soon resemble one of their top premiership sides that field very few home grown talent!

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2010, 22:35 GMT

    Why are people going on about Dirk Nannes. He was born in Melbourne, it is nothing like the Eoin Morgan situation, as Morgan is more Irish than potatoes. Nannes was only picked for Holland after Aus passed on him and qualified by ancestry, not because he was born Dutch.

  • POSTED BY AlexanderSupertramp on | June 16, 2010, 22:33 GMT

    Dirk Nannes is not a Dutch national. He is an Australian. He was born in Melbourne Australia. He learnt his cricket in Australia. He played his cricket for Victoria. He is a product of Australian cricket setup. Only reason he played for Dutch was because he was not selected for Australia and he was eligible to play for Netherlands as his parents are of Dutch nationality.

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2010, 22:27 GMT

    The ICC are a useless organisation that can't summon up the guts to do something important. Theyre completely hopeless, they have no role in cricket-actually do nothing when you genuinely consider it and it is clear they wont do this either. Absolutely dreadful...But right Ricky

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2010, 22:17 GMT

    First of all, Dirk Nannes is an australian born player, he is a citizen of australia, always was, and he played domestic crickt for australia for years. The only reason why Nannes even played for Netherlands in the t20 world cup was because he was upset that he wasnt selected in the Aussie team, so since his Parents are of Dutch background, he joined netherlands. In contrast, England has players that were not born in england, (Lumb, Trott, Prior,KP) born in south africa, played for south african domestic cricket, then played for england, after they never got a chance to play for south africa. Morgan is irish born, played for Ireland, then was snatched by England. Ponting is 100% right, Ireland can be a strong team if they keep there players, and Morgan returns. Don't bring up the Nannes thing, as a cover up, it doesnt relate to what England do.

  • POSTED BY edygriff21 on | June 16, 2010, 22:15 GMT

    Wake up to yourselves all you "Ponting bashers". Nannes is a born and bred Aussie and only played for the dutch in a crap 20/20 tournament because of heritage and his form at that stage of his career wasn't good enough to be picked for Australia.

  • POSTED BY MaddyKing on | June 16, 2010, 22:13 GMT

    This is an agenda of Ponting to make sure England don't embarrass australia in the ashes again.

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2010, 22:12 GMT

    First of all Nannes, is an australian born in australia, played for australia all his life, only reason why he played for Netherlands in that t20 world cup, is because he was not selected into the Aussie team that year. Nannes play for netherlands, because he has some decent of dutch from his parents. Otherwise he's a aussie born, australia domestic player. Meanwhile, KP, Lumb, Prior, Trott (south african born, played south african domestic cricket), Morgan (played for ireland for a few years), then was snatched by england. Ponting is definetly right, ireland can be a very strong team, if they dont lose players and get morgan back.

  • POSTED BY alexbraae on | June 16, 2010, 22:12 GMT

    The difference between Holland and Ireland though is that Holland are nowhere near test quality. Apart from ten Doeschate and perhaps Zuiderant, there isn't really anyone in thier team who could play tests. Ireland with Ed Joyce, Eoin Morgan, Boyd Rankin could be a competitive test side within the decade. It is hypocrisy for Ponting, but really, when will Holland ever play tests? They aren't even pushing for full member status.

  • POSTED BY _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on | June 16, 2010, 22:08 GMT

    Wow! Even Ricky Ponting, who has a rep of not being nice to the opposition, admits that ICC need to do something to limit Ire player drain. Every true cricket fan should also support what Ponting has said. Several fans (mainly English) went on about how against the law it is to limit players from freely switching allegiance but surely, surely ICC can do something, find some loop-hole somewhere. It is for the betterment of the game and without a doubt, it would be great for cricket to expand beyond the current test nations. The cricket community is small and all nations should strive for the betterment of the game on a whole rather than hindering the smaller nations for the bigger.

  • POSTED BY firey1 on | June 16, 2010, 22:05 GMT

    Some of you people need to educate yourselves before posting, Dirk Nannes is an Australian who chose to play some cricket for the Netherlands. It's no fun beating England these days as a lot of them are either South African or Irish etc.

  • POSTED BY AnthoniJi on | June 16, 2010, 22:00 GMT

    I think ICC should have no business regualting this. If aplayer feels he should play for a better team in the world, that player should be able to. Keep the greed and goons out of this. IT IS PLAYERS CHOICE who they wabt to play with and for. peace

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2010, 21:57 GMT

    Hey Rickey.. what about Dirk Nannes... All your concern is about the English team that is becoming strong with the foreign players...

  • POSTED BY adam_clone on | June 16, 2010, 21:29 GMT

    Come on Ricky.... Give Dirk Nannes back to Netherland !!!

  • POSTED BY JoeDeS on | June 16, 2010, 20:44 GMT

    Irish players should play county cricket to develop their cricket as their is no first class exposure in Ireland. Sri Lanka had several cricketers who performed brilliantly in county cricket before test status was granted - Gamini Goonesena,Clive Inman, Laddie Outschoon, Ponniah, Mendis to name a few.However when the country has an international engagement at any level ICC should insist that they play for their country. This will prevent countries like England drawing on overseas players from Ireland and South Africa to replenish limited resources at home.

  • POSTED BY gottalovetheraindance on | June 16, 2010, 20:17 GMT

    does mr ricky ponting think ireland are good enough 2 play test cricket? if he was concerned about the quality of the west indies & pakistan teams on tour last year how will he feel about an Ireland test side touring Australia? believe me ladies & gents Ricky is not talking / acting out of compassion for Ireland. In fact he is more than likely worried about how the players leaving Ireland will strenghten other teams. but if Ireland is not gonna get in test cricket why stifle Irish youths intrested in the highest level of the game? if any are intrested in playing 4 the windies we wood welcome them with open arms lol.

  • POSTED BY _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on | June 16, 2010, 19:24 GMT

    Woah! If Ricky Ponting (who is carrying a "nice-guy" image these days) can show concern and speak up for the Irish team, then so should the rest of us genuine cricket fans, who want to see the game spread n developed outside the test nations. It is a concern and whilst some fans (mostly English) argue that its against the law to prevent the switching n what not, ICC surely, surely can do something to restrict the player drain from Ire n associate nations.The cricket community is a small one and all nations have responsibility to some degree to each other's well being. It is all for the sake of competitive cricket n if cricket wins, every1 can share some part of the spoils. No?

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2010, 18:43 GMT

    wat does ponting has to say about DIRK NANNES..He played for holland...but seeing him bowl well CA offered him a contract saying he was an aussie by birth...this article is bullshit...just an attempt to give fire to the debate of "ALL ENGLISH SIDE" before the ashes...old aussie gameplan....

  • POSTED BY CavemanX on | June 16, 2010, 18:24 GMT

    I completely agree with Ponting. As much as i support English cricket i feel Eng taking players from Ireland is just outright unfair. There is so much wrong with that. For a start, cricket in general needs more nations to sustain itself. Ireland will only become a competitive test match playing nation if players like Joyce and Morgan stay with them. Ireland can become a good test match team if the ICC supports them fully, financially and by stopping there good players going to England. You cant really blame the Irish players as everyone needs to be earning a decent salary to support themselves and their families. There is plenty of talent around the county circuit for England to choose from. The ECB should continue to allow the Irish players play in English counties so they can gain the experience and learn from accomplished cricketers. The ICC needs to address this major issue soon as it is ruining Irelands cricketing future and preventing cricket from becoming a truly global sport

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2010, 18:22 GMT

    Ricky is absolutely right,ICC should look at this...Ricky u r truly a legend.

  • POSTED BY LazyGenious on | June 16, 2010, 18:16 GMT

    Why isnt ponting taking up this issue with his board for selecting Nanes and taking him away from Dutch

  • POSTED BY puneet_cricinfo on | June 16, 2010, 18:05 GMT

    Continuing on my previous comment, suppose Bangladesh, Ireland & Zimbabwe play 12 test matches in a year; than each team can play 8 matches with the other two(4 at home & 4 away- 2 with each). The other 4 matches should be played with the present international teams possibly at home. This can be done for the next 3 years & if any of these teams shows improvement than they should play according to the traditional 10 years calendar. The other natural advantage which these three teams enjoy is that they belong to 3 different continents & thus by playing in 3 different conditions they can improve upon their game by leaps & bounds. The present problem of player drain in Ireland could also be sorted out by having a combined test team of Ireland, Netherlands & Scotland governed by the ICC( if required more nations can also be included like Canada). This type of team can compete at the international level but this cannot be used in the long run as nation's loyalty is a must in any sport.

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2010, 18:00 GMT

    y ponting didn't get bothered abt netherland when drik naanes started playing for australia

  • POSTED BY duncanmoo on | June 16, 2010, 17:54 GMT

    For the sake of English cricket too that this should stop, a major portion of the English team are from other countries; what message does that give to young players in England? ECB behaves like a club buying players rather than representing a national team.

  • POSTED BY CavemanX on | June 16, 2010, 17:54 GMT

    I completely agree with Ponting. As much as i support English cricket i feel Eng taking players from Ireland is just outright unfair. There is so much wrong with that. For a start, cricket in general needs more nations to sustain itself. Ireland will only become a competitive test match playing nation if players like Joyce and Morgan stay with them. Ireland can become a good test match team if the ICC supports them fully, financially and by stopping there good players going to England. You cant really blame the Irish players as everyone needs to be earning a decent salary to support themselves and their families. There is plenty of talent around the county circuit for England to choose from. The ECB should continue to allow the Irish players play in English counties so they can gain the experience and learn from accomplished cricketers. The ICC needs to address this major issue soon as it is ruining Irelands cricketing future and preventing cricket from becoming a truly global sport

  • POSTED BY TikoloFan on | June 16, 2010, 17:44 GMT

    Ireland deserves promotion to Full Membership from Associate membership of ICC

  • POSTED BY puneet_cricinfo on | June 16, 2010, 17:36 GMT

    One of the ways to avoid this player drain in Ireland is by elevating Ireland to test status. This would not only benefit Ireland but also Bangladesh & Zimbabwe(likely to play test matches after 2011 world cup). If there are 3 or possibly more tier 2 teams in the international arena, then the ICC can schedule matches between them more frequently & in between they can also play Tier 1 teams. Although the ICC should not distinguish between the teams by giving them Tier 1 or 2 status. Bangladesh has improved upon their game by playing test matches at the international level but they haven't won any test match till now due to which their confidence level is sometimes low when they go onto play a test match & it seems that drawing the test match is their top priority rather than winning. This mindset could easily be changed if they are given the opportunity to play with teams of equal or below their standard.

  • POSTED BY Lakshminarayan_Swaminathan on | June 16, 2010, 17:01 GMT

    Ponting should then also look at what Australia did with Dirk Nannes who represented Netherlands in the last world cup. You can't take what is profitable to you and comment in isolation about the gains English cricket is making through players from Ireland.

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2010, 16:48 GMT

    One day england would be full of imports from SA Ireland... Ricky is right

  • POSTED BY ElectronSmoke on | June 16, 2010, 16:35 GMT

    Glad that Ponting brings it up :) ... indeed Irish cricket has shown enough talent and resilience to compete with the best. Unlike Bangladesh which took 10 years to show some sparks or Kenya which killed itself by infighting - the Irish have always impressed. Alonside Afghanistan, the Irish are the best of the associates and a professional contract based system must be encouraged for the homegrown talents.

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2010, 16:21 GMT

    The ICC can't do that, if people who were born in their own country had to represent their country, England wouldn't have a team at all..........

  • POSTED BY pianofan on | June 16, 2010, 16:14 GMT

    Well said Ponting. If cricket is to grow Ireland must be admitted soon. Their test side with Morgan and players like that could easily be as competitive as Bangeladash. As is unfortunenateley so often the case the ICC is fumbling the ball.

  • POSTED BY howizzat on | June 16, 2010, 16:12 GMT

    Why, Ponting? Just because they are not joining your team!!! Thats hypocracy.

  • POSTED BY Lennon_Marx on | June 16, 2010, 15:56 GMT

    realistically the only way for Ireland's talent drain to stop is for them to be immediately awarded test status, and well that's never going to happen

  • POSTED BY Lennon_Marx on | June 16, 2010, 15:54 GMT

    Well shiver me timbers: Ricky Ponting says something intelligent. Australian cricket fans along with myself will be stunned by this revelation. So will the ICC listen to such uncharacteristic sense? Of course they won't, to do so would be so out of character for the ruling body that its action as suggested by Ponting would surely result in the apocalypse destroying the planet. Whilst yes it is without doubt that ending the raids on Irish and South African talent will result in a better England, Ireland and South Africa in the long term, by forcing the English to properly address its long decaying feeder systems which have been masked partially by the unending supply of foreign players into their national team, and returning the once lost talent to the betterment cricket; but it will never happen, because it may mean England has to return to the bad days of the 1990s and the English board are too cowardly to risk poor result in the short term in return for a better system in the long.

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  • POSTED BY Lennon_Marx on | June 16, 2010, 15:54 GMT

    Well shiver me timbers: Ricky Ponting says something intelligent. Australian cricket fans along with myself will be stunned by this revelation. So will the ICC listen to such uncharacteristic sense? Of course they won't, to do so would be so out of character for the ruling body that its action as suggested by Ponting would surely result in the apocalypse destroying the planet. Whilst yes it is without doubt that ending the raids on Irish and South African talent will result in a better England, Ireland and South Africa in the long term, by forcing the English to properly address its long decaying feeder systems which have been masked partially by the unending supply of foreign players into their national team, and returning the once lost talent to the betterment cricket; but it will never happen, because it may mean England has to return to the bad days of the 1990s and the English board are too cowardly to risk poor result in the short term in return for a better system in the long.

  • POSTED BY Lennon_Marx on | June 16, 2010, 15:56 GMT

    realistically the only way for Ireland's talent drain to stop is for them to be immediately awarded test status, and well that's never going to happen

  • POSTED BY howizzat on | June 16, 2010, 16:12 GMT

    Why, Ponting? Just because they are not joining your team!!! Thats hypocracy.

  • POSTED BY pianofan on | June 16, 2010, 16:14 GMT

    Well said Ponting. If cricket is to grow Ireland must be admitted soon. Their test side with Morgan and players like that could easily be as competitive as Bangeladash. As is unfortunenateley so often the case the ICC is fumbling the ball.

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2010, 16:21 GMT

    The ICC can't do that, if people who were born in their own country had to represent their country, England wouldn't have a team at all..........

  • POSTED BY ElectronSmoke on | June 16, 2010, 16:35 GMT

    Glad that Ponting brings it up :) ... indeed Irish cricket has shown enough talent and resilience to compete with the best. Unlike Bangladesh which took 10 years to show some sparks or Kenya which killed itself by infighting - the Irish have always impressed. Alonside Afghanistan, the Irish are the best of the associates and a professional contract based system must be encouraged for the homegrown talents.

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2010, 16:48 GMT

    One day england would be full of imports from SA Ireland... Ricky is right

  • POSTED BY Lakshminarayan_Swaminathan on | June 16, 2010, 17:01 GMT

    Ponting should then also look at what Australia did with Dirk Nannes who represented Netherlands in the last world cup. You can't take what is profitable to you and comment in isolation about the gains English cricket is making through players from Ireland.

  • POSTED BY puneet_cricinfo on | June 16, 2010, 17:36 GMT

    One of the ways to avoid this player drain in Ireland is by elevating Ireland to test status. This would not only benefit Ireland but also Bangladesh & Zimbabwe(likely to play test matches after 2011 world cup). If there are 3 or possibly more tier 2 teams in the international arena, then the ICC can schedule matches between them more frequently & in between they can also play Tier 1 teams. Although the ICC should not distinguish between the teams by giving them Tier 1 or 2 status. Bangladesh has improved upon their game by playing test matches at the international level but they haven't won any test match till now due to which their confidence level is sometimes low when they go onto play a test match & it seems that drawing the test match is their top priority rather than winning. This mindset could easily be changed if they are given the opportunity to play with teams of equal or below their standard.

  • POSTED BY TikoloFan on | June 16, 2010, 17:44 GMT

    Ireland deserves promotion to Full Membership from Associate membership of ICC