South Africa in the UAE 2013-14 November 12, 2013

SA check the boxes in comprehensive series win

With improvements in batting, and the development of allrounders, the side is on track for its preparations for 2015 World Cup
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When South Africa returned home from their 4-1 series defeat in Sri Lanka, Russell Domingo began his press conference by reading out a list of the things he thought went wrong. Should he choose to do a similar thing when South Africa return from the UAE, he will find it a far more pleasing task.

This time he could recite about the things that went right and how the team improved. Domingo will find there is a fair amount to say, especially about the batting.

After failing to post a total of over 250 in any of the five matches they played in Sri Lanka, South Africa breached that mark three times in this series. They had two centurions compared to none in Sri Lanka and had three batsmen score fifties, which was also the case in August.

What the numbers don't tell is how the approach of South Africa's batsmen matured from three months ago, how they were willing to graft through tough periods and form partnerships. In Sri Lanka, South Africa had two fifty-plus stands and a century stand. This time there were 10 half-century stands, four of which went past 70.

Perhaps Domingo will be most satisfied with the way South Africa managed to make the top order work, even though their plans to add experience were put out. In Sri Lanka, South Africa shuffled between Colin Ingram, Alviro Petersen, Quinton de Kock and Hashim Amla and could not find a pair that clicked.

The return of Graeme Smith to partner Amla was supposed to fix the problem of an opening pair, but Smith was injured after the first two matches and Amla missed those two games because of paternity duties. Instead, Ingram was used again and failed but de Kock was a success.

The 20-year old endured a torrid time in Sri Lanka where his loose play outside the off stump was preyed upon and his ability against spin was almost non-existent. He spent what his franchise coach Geoffrey Toyana said was "more time than I have ever seen him practise" in the nets, working on his game and the results were evident. De Kock has tightened up, uses his feet better and has learnt patience.

With Amla, and later de Villiers, to guide him, de Kock scored his first international hundred and has given the selectors a happy problem going forward. Smith will be back to full fitness for the return series against Pakistan later this month and, with Amla and Henry Davids - the leading run-scorer in the domestic competition - waiting in the wings, there is sufficient choice for the opening berth.

De Kock may even be considered as a No.3 option, putting pressure on Faf du Plessis, who was moved into the spot after he struggled lower down. Du Plessis still battles against the spinners and it was a crafty move to promote him a place so he could settle in while the seamers were still in operation. He broke his half-century drought, scoring one after 12 innings, but will know he is still on the edge and will need better performances to keep his place.

Du Plessis will have to use the Twenty20 series, in which he will also lead, to regain consistency, something the ODI captain, AB de Villiers, is starting to find. As a leader, de Villiers has made progress in terms of placing a field and knowing when to bring on strike bowlers. Handing the wicket-keeping gloves to de Kock occasionally has helped him, too.

As a batsman, de Villiers led the way for South Africa and his innings in the fifth ODI provided a prototype for how to bat in tough conditions. He paced his innings to perfection, starting cautiously before allowing himself to let loose. By trying to emulate that performance, more batsmen will succeed more often.

De Villiers also had the support of Ryan McLaren, whose performance throughout the series deserves praise. His lower-order hitting has turned him into the player South Africa once wanted Albie Morkel to be.

McLaren is not a bludgeoner by instinct but has worked hard on finding gaps and hitting the ball hard. These are things McLaren needed to work on and he made it his responsibility to do that.

The cupboard appears full and the steps on the way to the 2015 World Cup are being ascended as Domingo hoped they would. This series will allow South Africa to mark some emphatic ticks on their report-card but they must remember to put these developments in context.

"I felt the need to contribute at No.7 and bring a power game at the back end of the innings," McLaren said. He was South Africa's fifth-highest run-getter in the series, with more runs than David Miller, and he scored them at a strike rate of 86 to announce his potential as a future finisher.

McLaren's contribution with the ball saw him finish as the joint leading wicket-taker, with nine scalps at 19.88. He is a go-to guy of a different sort, compared to Dale Steyn, with the ability to control one end, strike in the middle and lower-order and change his pace. McLaren has become a perfect fit in the allrounder's role, and if Jacques Kallis returns to bat in the top order, South Africa will have double the capacity in that department.

The bowling effort was exemplary and showed the national selectors the depth, where they may have been concerned about its absence. Dale Steyn's career-best performance speaks for itself, Morne Morkel bowled with pace and accuracy, Lonwabo Tsotsobe was effective upfront, Vernon Philander fitted in well and Wayne Parnell was promising.

The most interesting development was that of Imran Tahir, who also claimed nine wickets, and provided South Africa with another person to turn to in the spin department. His form has put Robin Peterson's place is in doubt because, with JP Duminy also available as a bowling option, South Africa can have the best of both worlds - wicket-taking bowler and a holding bowler - by playing both Tahir and Duminy.

They may choose to follow a 'horses for courses' approach when it comes to the spinner, using Tahir in conditions where they feel he will be effective, such as the subcontinent.

The cupboard appears full and the steps on the way to the 2015 World Cup are being ascended as Domingo hoped they would. This series will allow South Africa to mark some emphatic ticks on their report-card but they must remember to put these developments in context.

Pakistan were no Sri Lanka because they lacked the batting muscle needed to challenge South Africa thoroughly. Kumar Sangakkara and Tillakaratne Dilshan were in blazing form earlier this year and ensured South Africa were under far more pressure than they were against Pakistan. With Pakistan's line-up, there was weakness at both ends. South Africa knew they only needed to get as far as Umar Akmal to run through the side.

However, in bowler-friendly conditions, South Africa's batsmen overcame an attack rated as one of the best in the world. They countered the spin threat well, which they could not do in Sri Lanka. Disappointingly, South Africa did not give themselves the chance to see if they could win chasing in the final game. Had they done that, they could have had a more accurate assessment of their line-up, because no team won the game batting second in a series where the toss played too much of a role.

For that reason, de Villiers' final words are a fair reflection of where the ODI side is at the moment. "We certainly haven't won a World Cup here but we definitely took a step in the right direction," de Villiers said. "We were at an all-time low in Sri Lanka, or a big low, and moving up from there is pleasing."

Firdose Moonda is ESPNcricinfo's South Africa correspondent

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  • on November 12, 2013, 19:59 GMT

    List A Batting Averages of Some Players of Pakistan Domestic: Sharjeel Khan 52 , Fawad Alam 44, Khurram Manzoor 47, Sohaib Maqsood 52 , Faisal Iqbal 42, Azhar Ali 50, , Asif Zakir 41, Afaq Raheem 44, Akbar-ur-Rehman 45, Khalid Latif 46, Babar Azam 49 , Zain Abbas 54(few match).

    Current Pakistan Players List A Batting Averages: Mohammad Hafeez 33, Shahid Afridi 24 , Misbah-ul-Haq 48 , Asad Shafiq 36, Ahmad Shehzad 34 , Shan Masood 32, Shoaib Malik 37, Abdul Razzaq 30 (he's also all-rounder), Umar Akmal 36, Kamran Akmal 28, Wahab Riaz 15, Sohail Tanvir 15, Salman Butt 44, Younis Khan 34, Mohammad Yousaf 40, Imran Farhat 36, Haris Sohail 36, Sarfraz Ahmad 29 (wk), Nasir Jamshed 33, Anwar Ali 20, Taufeez Umar 39.56, Awais Zia 27, Imran Nazir 28, Azhar Mahmood 22, Hasan Raza 39.35

    Interesting Thing is the averages are almost same to international Odi Averages of these players .More interestingly Not even one player has average above his List A averages in international ODI's career.

  • xtrafalgarx on November 14, 2013, 16:16 GMT

    I'm not convinced. By the time the world cup rolls by, this South African side will be on it's haunches. Have you looked at the age of most of these players? SA really need to find some young talent otherwise they will fall through the cracks.

    This team would struggle against the top ODI sides like India and Australia.

  • on November 13, 2013, 14:18 GMT

    Domestic T20 Batting Averages of current players. Mohammad Hafeez 28, Ahmed Shehzad 32, Sohaib Maqsood 29, Umar Amin 26, Shoaib Malik 39, Umar Akmal 27, Afridi 19, Abdul-Razzaq 27, Abdur Rehman 9, Sohail Tanvir 15, Junaid Khan 6, Mohammad Irfan 8,Saeed Ajmal 8. (Others: Misbah-ul-Haq 37, Younis Khan 27, Kamran Akmal 26, Asad Shafiq 21, Fawad Alam 27, Nasir Jamshed 27, Imran Nazir 29)

    International T20 Batting Averages of these players. Mohammad Hafeez 25, Ahmed Shehzad 32, Sohaib Maqsood 26, Umar Amin 23, Shoaib Malik 24, Umar Akmal 27, Afridi 18, Abdul Razzaq 23, Abdur Rehman 8, Sohail Tanvir 8, Junaid Khan 6, Mohammad Irfan 4, Saeed Ajmal 8. (Others: Misbah-ul-Haq 38, Younis Khan 22, Kamran Akmal 22, Asad Shafiq 19, Fawad Alam 18, Nasir Jamshed 22, Imran Nazir 22)

    Other T20 Domestic Batting Players: Taufeeq Umar 42, Hasan Raza 32, Shahzaib Hasan 29, Asif Ali 29

    Its amazing Misbah-ul-Haq has best Averages in t20 side both domestic & International and Taufeeq tops domestic.

  • likeintcricket on November 13, 2013, 14:06 GMT

    There is so much disappointment in Pak loss but still I believe the toss played a roll in SA win. Their batsman gained confidance on easy pased wickets playing under no pressure with a very long batting line up and Pakistan just lost confidance later on. No doubt Pakistan batting is going through a turmoil but they can still beat any side quite easily on their day. They have to keep faith in the batting and let the yougster go out and play in the competitive league. They have a very proud cricket history and always maintained a winning record against fellow Asian cricketing countries. They should try to overcome their political situation and introduce a better competitive league with few but competitive teams. Now it is time to get rid of Afridis and Hafeez and work on youngsters under Misbah in all format. He might not be a world class batsman nor he has ability to score freely but he is a captain and he knows how to play like it.

  • roook on November 13, 2013, 12:29 GMT

    Pakistan is different from other nations we do work well with foreign coaches our best performances are under national coaches. Based on T20 performances you cannot build ODI or test team nor select captain. Hafeez was given T20 captaincy based on merit but he doesnot deserves it for ODI. Pakistan no 1 player is Misbah and Saeed Ajmal so far on their consistent performances so we have to stick with Misbah we have no choice unless PCB takes a bold decision like South Africa board did take for grame smith. The problem with Pakistan.

    1.We do not have finisher who can negotiate pace bowlers 2.We have still not found right talent for the job 3.Did not stability in our batting order too much rotations which makes it a total mess. 4.We lack mental and moral toughness to compete and we lost the match on toss

  • on November 13, 2013, 9:01 GMT

    "With improvements in batting.." Let them bat second and the result will be totally inverse.

  • THE_MIZ on November 13, 2013, 8:12 GMT

    Whilst I do think @Stark62 is being particularly harsh against a team that has vastly improved since the SriLankan tour (against a better bowling attack mind you), It is worth bearing in mind that the batting line-up still looks far from a finished product. I like QDK, Amla opening but I think its time for faf to be dropped to work on his game. He averages less than 30 after so many games. We could excuse that because he used come down the order to play cameos at high strike-rates (high risk) but not anymore. Not only is he not scoring big but also too slowly. For McClaren, fantastic bowler but I'm still not convinced about his "finisher role". A few 20s,30s (at SR 86) is simply not enough to be considered as a genuine All-rounder like Kallis. Miller is still the better player as he showed in Sri Lanka. The real test of temperament for a finisher is whilst chasing, the 2nd ODI showed that SA still lack someone of Dhoni's calibre and may continue to fail in pressure WC games.

  • Pavinasen on November 13, 2013, 7:15 GMT

    Something is not going down weel in the Pakistan team.I have watched they play in many countries and they are the most feared side due to their unpredictibility .They have top notch bowlers and can beat any team all day.I can only assume that there is great unhappiness in the camp.What's causing this is unknown.The first game seems to support my theory.SA are lucky to play them in off season,because if Pak is in full flow,SA would have struggled to win any game.I guess SA does need some luck,given their poor showing in previous int. ODI's

  • on November 13, 2013, 6:31 GMT

    Lots of drivel being posted. If you give to cricket what cricket ask for then you will be successful. How do you take away a 100 scored??? What if 2 batters scored a 100 and a bowler took 5. should you take away the good performers. Sometimes I wonder if the fans really understand this game. Or is it just to undermine a teams performance?

  • Marktc on November 13, 2013, 5:13 GMT

    I love the way so many people just do not give SA credit. Even if we win the WC, there are those who will find fault. My biggest worry is the lack of test activity SA have from now till 2015. You would think, being number one, the other top teams will be dong what they can to play the number one side...instead they pllay each other numerous times, and shut SA out mainly. Could this be a deliberate rue to stop SA from scoring points or is there something else going on....

  • on November 12, 2013, 19:59 GMT

    List A Batting Averages of Some Players of Pakistan Domestic: Sharjeel Khan 52 , Fawad Alam 44, Khurram Manzoor 47, Sohaib Maqsood 52 , Faisal Iqbal 42, Azhar Ali 50, , Asif Zakir 41, Afaq Raheem 44, Akbar-ur-Rehman 45, Khalid Latif 46, Babar Azam 49 , Zain Abbas 54(few match).

    Current Pakistan Players List A Batting Averages: Mohammad Hafeez 33, Shahid Afridi 24 , Misbah-ul-Haq 48 , Asad Shafiq 36, Ahmad Shehzad 34 , Shan Masood 32, Shoaib Malik 37, Abdul Razzaq 30 (he's also all-rounder), Umar Akmal 36, Kamran Akmal 28, Wahab Riaz 15, Sohail Tanvir 15, Salman Butt 44, Younis Khan 34, Mohammad Yousaf 40, Imran Farhat 36, Haris Sohail 36, Sarfraz Ahmad 29 (wk), Nasir Jamshed 33, Anwar Ali 20, Taufeez Umar 39.56, Awais Zia 27, Imran Nazir 28, Azhar Mahmood 22, Hasan Raza 39.35

    Interesting Thing is the averages are almost same to international Odi Averages of these players .More interestingly Not even one player has average above his List A averages in international ODI's career.

  • xtrafalgarx on November 14, 2013, 16:16 GMT

    I'm not convinced. By the time the world cup rolls by, this South African side will be on it's haunches. Have you looked at the age of most of these players? SA really need to find some young talent otherwise they will fall through the cracks.

    This team would struggle against the top ODI sides like India and Australia.

  • on November 13, 2013, 14:18 GMT

    Domestic T20 Batting Averages of current players. Mohammad Hafeez 28, Ahmed Shehzad 32, Sohaib Maqsood 29, Umar Amin 26, Shoaib Malik 39, Umar Akmal 27, Afridi 19, Abdul-Razzaq 27, Abdur Rehman 9, Sohail Tanvir 15, Junaid Khan 6, Mohammad Irfan 8,Saeed Ajmal 8. (Others: Misbah-ul-Haq 37, Younis Khan 27, Kamran Akmal 26, Asad Shafiq 21, Fawad Alam 27, Nasir Jamshed 27, Imran Nazir 29)

    International T20 Batting Averages of these players. Mohammad Hafeez 25, Ahmed Shehzad 32, Sohaib Maqsood 26, Umar Amin 23, Shoaib Malik 24, Umar Akmal 27, Afridi 18, Abdul Razzaq 23, Abdur Rehman 8, Sohail Tanvir 8, Junaid Khan 6, Mohammad Irfan 4, Saeed Ajmal 8. (Others: Misbah-ul-Haq 38, Younis Khan 22, Kamran Akmal 22, Asad Shafiq 19, Fawad Alam 18, Nasir Jamshed 22, Imran Nazir 22)

    Other T20 Domestic Batting Players: Taufeeq Umar 42, Hasan Raza 32, Shahzaib Hasan 29, Asif Ali 29

    Its amazing Misbah-ul-Haq has best Averages in t20 side both domestic & International and Taufeeq tops domestic.

  • likeintcricket on November 13, 2013, 14:06 GMT

    There is so much disappointment in Pak loss but still I believe the toss played a roll in SA win. Their batsman gained confidance on easy pased wickets playing under no pressure with a very long batting line up and Pakistan just lost confidance later on. No doubt Pakistan batting is going through a turmoil but they can still beat any side quite easily on their day. They have to keep faith in the batting and let the yougster go out and play in the competitive league. They have a very proud cricket history and always maintained a winning record against fellow Asian cricketing countries. They should try to overcome their political situation and introduce a better competitive league with few but competitive teams. Now it is time to get rid of Afridis and Hafeez and work on youngsters under Misbah in all format. He might not be a world class batsman nor he has ability to score freely but he is a captain and he knows how to play like it.

  • roook on November 13, 2013, 12:29 GMT

    Pakistan is different from other nations we do work well with foreign coaches our best performances are under national coaches. Based on T20 performances you cannot build ODI or test team nor select captain. Hafeez was given T20 captaincy based on merit but he doesnot deserves it for ODI. Pakistan no 1 player is Misbah and Saeed Ajmal so far on their consistent performances so we have to stick with Misbah we have no choice unless PCB takes a bold decision like South Africa board did take for grame smith. The problem with Pakistan.

    1.We do not have finisher who can negotiate pace bowlers 2.We have still not found right talent for the job 3.Did not stability in our batting order too much rotations which makes it a total mess. 4.We lack mental and moral toughness to compete and we lost the match on toss

  • on November 13, 2013, 9:01 GMT

    "With improvements in batting.." Let them bat second and the result will be totally inverse.

  • THE_MIZ on November 13, 2013, 8:12 GMT

    Whilst I do think @Stark62 is being particularly harsh against a team that has vastly improved since the SriLankan tour (against a better bowling attack mind you), It is worth bearing in mind that the batting line-up still looks far from a finished product. I like QDK, Amla opening but I think its time for faf to be dropped to work on his game. He averages less than 30 after so many games. We could excuse that because he used come down the order to play cameos at high strike-rates (high risk) but not anymore. Not only is he not scoring big but also too slowly. For McClaren, fantastic bowler but I'm still not convinced about his "finisher role". A few 20s,30s (at SR 86) is simply not enough to be considered as a genuine All-rounder like Kallis. Miller is still the better player as he showed in Sri Lanka. The real test of temperament for a finisher is whilst chasing, the 2nd ODI showed that SA still lack someone of Dhoni's calibre and may continue to fail in pressure WC games.

  • Pavinasen on November 13, 2013, 7:15 GMT

    Something is not going down weel in the Pakistan team.I have watched they play in many countries and they are the most feared side due to their unpredictibility .They have top notch bowlers and can beat any team all day.I can only assume that there is great unhappiness in the camp.What's causing this is unknown.The first game seems to support my theory.SA are lucky to play them in off season,because if Pak is in full flow,SA would have struggled to win any game.I guess SA does need some luck,given their poor showing in previous int. ODI's

  • on November 13, 2013, 6:31 GMT

    Lots of drivel being posted. If you give to cricket what cricket ask for then you will be successful. How do you take away a 100 scored??? What if 2 batters scored a 100 and a bowler took 5. should you take away the good performers. Sometimes I wonder if the fans really understand this game. Or is it just to undermine a teams performance?

  • Marktc on November 13, 2013, 5:13 GMT

    I love the way so many people just do not give SA credit. Even if we win the WC, there are those who will find fault. My biggest worry is the lack of test activity SA have from now till 2015. You would think, being number one, the other top teams will be dong what they can to play the number one side...instead they pllay each other numerous times, and shut SA out mainly. Could this be a deliberate rue to stop SA from scoring points or is there something else going on....

  • on November 13, 2013, 3:16 GMT

    pcb check plzzzz

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/547079.html

  • SHER-A-PANJAB on November 13, 2013, 1:39 GMT

    MOST inportant thing when SMITH does play in the side AB and other play good ,smooth and mentally strong decision ,So there is no room for Smith for 2015 WC.Smith should consider it himself . good luck

  • KnowItAllGuy on November 12, 2013, 20:11 GMT

    The real test for SA will be when they bat second to score 250+runs. They got really lucky to win the toss in the last 3 games.

  • bouncer709 on November 12, 2013, 19:19 GMT

    I dont think SA has improved ant thin from Srilankan series, the problem was with Pakistan team, had the Pakistan batsmen scored n fielder got catches, Pakistan could have won this series (at-least 3-2), and writer would not write this article. their bating is fragile, however it was better than Pakistan, comparing their performance to Srilanka series, here pitches were a bit easy.

  • SurlyCynic on November 12, 2013, 17:55 GMT

    Stark62: So you take away SA's best two performances and then say they would be struggling without them? Hmmm, doesn't make much sense. Scoring over 250 runs 3 matches in a row against a good Pakistan attack is decent, I would say. If De Kock had made fewer runs maybe someone else would have made more? Like Duminy perhaps who was not out? Your 'analysis' could be applied to any team. Should I say Pakistan bowlers struggle if I take out Ajmal and Afridi?

  • on November 12, 2013, 16:39 GMT

    @tark62: Why would you take away AB's hundred? Also drop chances are part of game, it happens to every team.

  • roook on November 12, 2013, 15:43 GMT

    Pakistan cannot be benchmark for good performances and yetl they have not proof that they can chase big totals which they failed to achieve in srilanka.Apart they achieve to bat out against spin but chasing is a ultimate test they yet need to pass.

  • on November 12, 2013, 14:45 GMT

    South Africa will still struggle against top ODI teams like India, Australia, England in the World Cup.

  • on November 12, 2013, 13:53 GMT

    I'm not going to play selector but we need guys to be able to perform in all conditions. Our batters needs to be consistent and put a good score on the board for our bowlers to defend. If you are unable to defend 360 like Australia then there is something wrong in your bowling department.

  • Romanticstud on November 12, 2013, 13:48 GMT

    My South African team for 2015 will be: 1. Amla 2. Smith 3. Du Plessis 4. Kallis 5. de Villiers 6. Duminy 7. Miller 8. McLaren 9. Philander 10. Steyn 11. Tsotsobe 12. De Kock 13. Morkel 14. Petersen 15. Tahir ... I reckon Du Plessis must play at 3 if he plays otherwise Amla must go to 3 and make room for De Kock ...

  • on November 12, 2013, 13:29 GMT

    well done south africa i hope u will win again t20 series .

  • Stark62 on November 12, 2013, 13:24 GMT

    To be honest, SA still have a problem with their batting!!

    If you take away AB's hundred from yesterday and if De Kock wasn't dropped, then who knows what would have happened.

    Also, if McLaren is the finisher, then what is the role of Miller?!?! I've not seen that guy do anything substantial and his recent scores have been poor.

  • Shazy777 on November 12, 2013, 13:23 GMT

    Hope S.A should qulify for wc final & ifthey do then they can easily lift the throphy... S.a use AB de Villiers at no.3 position in odi... Its a key position & ab is the best suitable for that position... Quinton de Kock is use as wk keeper batsman... If kallis & Smith both returns then it is difficiult to select players bcz you can`t drop senior players if they are in 15 then they should be part of X1...

  • on November 12, 2013, 12:56 GMT

    they have made progress. in each game they improved from where they left in previous. some1 stood up and took responsibilities to finish things off for them.

    the best thing about them is bench strength. which ever change they made to their playing 11 has performed. they dont depend on 1 or 2 guys in team

  • on November 12, 2013, 12:56 GMT

    they have made progress. in each game they improved from where they left in previous. some1 stood up and took responsibilities to finish things off for them.

    the best thing about them is bench strength. which ever change they made to their playing 11 has performed. they dont depend on 1 or 2 guys in team

  • Shazy777 on November 12, 2013, 13:23 GMT

    Hope S.A should qulify for wc final & ifthey do then they can easily lift the throphy... S.a use AB de Villiers at no.3 position in odi... Its a key position & ab is the best suitable for that position... Quinton de Kock is use as wk keeper batsman... If kallis & Smith both returns then it is difficiult to select players bcz you can`t drop senior players if they are in 15 then they should be part of X1...

  • Stark62 on November 12, 2013, 13:24 GMT

    To be honest, SA still have a problem with their batting!!

    If you take away AB's hundred from yesterday and if De Kock wasn't dropped, then who knows what would have happened.

    Also, if McLaren is the finisher, then what is the role of Miller?!?! I've not seen that guy do anything substantial and his recent scores have been poor.

  • on November 12, 2013, 13:29 GMT

    well done south africa i hope u will win again t20 series .

  • Romanticstud on November 12, 2013, 13:48 GMT

    My South African team for 2015 will be: 1. Amla 2. Smith 3. Du Plessis 4. Kallis 5. de Villiers 6. Duminy 7. Miller 8. McLaren 9. Philander 10. Steyn 11. Tsotsobe 12. De Kock 13. Morkel 14. Petersen 15. Tahir ... I reckon Du Plessis must play at 3 if he plays otherwise Amla must go to 3 and make room for De Kock ...

  • on November 12, 2013, 13:53 GMT

    I'm not going to play selector but we need guys to be able to perform in all conditions. Our batters needs to be consistent and put a good score on the board for our bowlers to defend. If you are unable to defend 360 like Australia then there is something wrong in your bowling department.

  • on November 12, 2013, 14:45 GMT

    South Africa will still struggle against top ODI teams like India, Australia, England in the World Cup.

  • roook on November 12, 2013, 15:43 GMT

    Pakistan cannot be benchmark for good performances and yetl they have not proof that they can chase big totals which they failed to achieve in srilanka.Apart they achieve to bat out against spin but chasing is a ultimate test they yet need to pass.

  • on November 12, 2013, 16:39 GMT

    @tark62: Why would you take away AB's hundred? Also drop chances are part of game, it happens to every team.

  • SurlyCynic on November 12, 2013, 17:55 GMT

    Stark62: So you take away SA's best two performances and then say they would be struggling without them? Hmmm, doesn't make much sense. Scoring over 250 runs 3 matches in a row against a good Pakistan attack is decent, I would say. If De Kock had made fewer runs maybe someone else would have made more? Like Duminy perhaps who was not out? Your 'analysis' could be applied to any team. Should I say Pakistan bowlers struggle if I take out Ajmal and Afridi?