Australia v England, 2nd Test, Adelaide, 5th day December 7, 2010

Australian selectors face tough calls

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Replacing Simon Katich for the third Test is the easy part for Australia. Deciding what to do with the rest of the side in Perth is the difficult bit.

Marcus North, Xavier Doherty, Doug Bollinger and Peter Siddle will be wondering if they still have a spot when the squad is named on Friday. Ricky Ponting and Andrew Hilditch discussed the make-up of the unit after the innings loss in Adelaide on Tuesday and had to decide how many changes to make - and whether any of them would make a difference.

The simplest decision surrounds the new opener. Phillip Hughes, who scored 86 not out in his last Test in March, is the leading candidate to come in for Katich on December 16, while Usman Khawaja would also be a capable choice. Every other issue is much more murky.

Ponting's experiment with Doherty failed over two Tests, with the left-arm spinner taking three wickets at 102 and causing more trouble for the scorers than any batsman. Nathan Hauritz is in form after career-best figures for New South Wales last week, but returning to him so soon would require a serious selection back-flip.

Steven Smith, the legspinning allrounder, took four wickets at the SCG on Tuesday, but he is not yet qualified at Test level as a batsman or a bowler. There may be no other choice than to go with Hauritz, who is a superior bowler at home than away. The confusion over the quality of the slow men will probably provide North with one more chance, despite him scoring 22 and 26 and going wicket-less with his offies in Adelaide.

"He'll be a bit disappointed with his week's work here," Ponting said of North. "I still believe that he's got great value to the team."

The fast bowling is another huge issue after the attack managed only 16 of 30 possible wickets in the past two Tests, and 10 of those came on the opening day of the series. Ponting said Doug Bollinger "hit the wall" during England's 5 for 620 declared, so the left-armer will be the first quick out. The step up in class that the tourists provided showed Bollinger was workmanlike rather than exceptional, and Australia currently have two superior men in that regard in Ryan Harris and Siddle.

Harris was Australia's best bowler in the second Test, taking 2 for 84, and will be a starter in Perth as long as his wonky knee holds up. Siddle's reputation has diminished significantly since he grabbed six wickets on the first day in Brisbane. Since then he hasn't managed one breakthrough in 54 overs and will be vulnerable if Mitchell Johnson and Ben Hilfenhaus have responded well to their Adelaide axing. The sad fact for Australia is that these men remain the best options despite their impotency over the past fortnight.

Ponting spoke before his discussion with Hilditch and made it clear that he didn't have a say in who would be picked. He did provide a glowing reference for Hughes, 22, who was dropped for the first time during the 2009 Ashes when he struggled with Andrew Flintoff's short balls.

"I'll be surprised if it's not him who comes in," Ponting said. "We know what his international record is like."

Hughes scored 81 for Australia A against England last month and was 80 not out in a one-dayer for New South Wales on Saturday. But he was dismissed for 4 against South Australia in the Sheffield Shield today. "He's got a few runs under his belt lately," Ponting said. "He's probably the first cab off the rank."

Whatever the selectors decide, Australia face a serious overhaul to avoid further Ashes humiliation at home over the final three Tests. "No doubt it's a bad loss for us, there's no hiding that fact," Ponting said. "I think they out-batted us, out-bowled us and out-fielded us in the entire game." If England continue to fire, any Australian changes are unlikely to have anything more than a cosmetic effect.

Peter English is the Australasia editor of Cricinfo

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  • Samdanh on December 13, 2010, 7:09 GMT

    @mrGupta: Please note that in the 2006-07 series match in Perth Aus Vs India, the pitch was the slowest. If your memory is not helping, sift through reports and you will find that India won because Aus played its first innings prettly badly and the Indian batsmen scored well because the pitch was one of the slowest that WACA has seen. Let us see how the pitches turn out in the 2010 SA series and how Indian batsmen fare in that series, and come back and do an analyses

  • Meety on December 10, 2010, 0:21 GMT

    @ Green_and_Gold - Possible v Probable matches were played alot 60 years ago. Given it is not as easy to select a team at the moment - fair few candidates in varying degrees of form, a 3 match series in October would of been way better then a tour of India & 1 day series v Sri Lanka. @5wombats - mate in the end of the day the past is the past. Yes we had heaps of "All Stars" leave the squad from 2006 onwards. The problems I was discussing are about the now. I agree the foresight by Cricket Oz & selectors is appalling. I couldn't beleive we'd play a 2 Test series in India in the lead up to the Ashes. What Indian pitches would offer Oz as preparation for what was in liklihood going to have been a Green Top was beyond me. We more or less gave away our home advantage. Meanwhile the Poms had been very astute in their planning for 2 years - had heaps of motivation. Tough seeing all those greats retire, but we need to move on - there is an Ashes still to be won .... or lost.

  • HOMEBREW on December 9, 2010, 22:21 GMT

    I've got new scoring system based on performance. Very much like school, since this is how the aussies are going. Base it on wickets taken: England 20/20, you get a gold star! Australia 6/20, you get to repeat grade 2.

  • Green_and_Gold on December 9, 2010, 13:55 GMT

    Anyone thinking Australia Vs Australia A test match (or 3/4 day game) - lets see how some of these young blokes go against the oldies. Could be interesting.

  • kang-a-roo on December 9, 2010, 13:51 GMT

    Bring in Hughes for Katich, Stuart Clarke for Bollinger, Callum Ferguson for North and finally Nathan Hauritz for Doherty. It's been quite an ordeal for Hughes and this is it. Give him his well deserved chance. He's been playing exceptionally recently and his test record his phenomenal. Sometimes, I feel the Aussie selectors miss out on some would-be-great players. For instance, Brad Hodge, a blistering double on debut and a career average of 55 but still got only 6 test matches.The same is turning out to be with Hughes. He was playing quite well when he was dropped from the squad. 2 tons and 2 fifties in 13 innings with an average of 51. Now that speaks a lot about his temperament and technique. He might have struggled against short ones but that's not a reason to rule out somebody who's playing so well. Katich must feel that it's his responsibility now to make way for the new blood. He has served Australia for a long time and this is the perfect time for him to bid adieu.

  • on December 9, 2010, 11:44 GMT

    watson should open he has played the best in that role...the general consensus is hughes as the other opener who could provide england teh window to get ricky ponying who i doubt has any real ability left after the windies hit him in the arm...both ponting and hughes are suspect against the bouncer...north seems tobe finished and it is best to play a batman in that position...play haddin and than play four fast men...two tried and trusted and two new ones...the only spinner to take wickets aginst england is okeefe and he bowled thru bat and pad superbly against pakistan...or play cameron white at seven and four fast bowlers...tryout talent in the next test and than select a permanent winning side for the remaining two tests... the bigger test could bowler selection,,,harris, bollinger, copeland , tait...bowl tait in four over spells or try nannes for bollinger

  • 5wombats on December 9, 2010, 11:15 GMT

    @landl47 - once again good comments. @Meety - less so. Australia's "problems" have been caused by great players being great for a long time. Lucky them to have and enjoy such great players. But these champions kept rising talent out of the team. There has been a lack of foresight by CA which has resulted in the predicament faced by Australia on the pitch now. The talent, skill and toughness that we always associate with Australia are notable by their absence. Meanwhile, England have profitted by being hammered 5-0 in 2006. Lots of soul-searching in English cricket circles and lots of positive action re; training and preparation has produced a decent team that are pretty hard to beat - witness in Cardiff 2009, Brisbane and earlier in South Africa. Lots of Aus fans missed the significance of that tied series between SA & Eng - where Eng played quite well and only lost one test on a pitch specifically prepared for SA bowlers. Current Aus bowlers not in same class as SA.

  • on December 9, 2010, 7:20 GMT

    I Agree that Shaun Marsh should have a go opening but i'd drop Marcus North move Shane Watson down the order and bring in Phillip Hughes to open with Marsh. The bowling places are more difficult. Ben Hilfenhaus and Ryan Harris have been the most accurate fast bowlers and move the ball. Ponting has great faith in Peter Siddle but he's too inconsistent for my liking. I'd be handing a cap to Chris Swann. He might be in his 30's but he's tall accurate and swings the ball. The spinner is also difficult-i think giving Jason Krezja another chance might not be unreasonable. Xavier Doherty just bowled too quickly without enough variation in the tests so far . I suspect the selectors will go for Nathan Hauritz again though.He's improved but has never looked a potential match winner to me

  • landl47 on December 9, 2010, 6:12 GMT

    I've seen some nonsense in my time, but some of the stuff being said here defies belief. Tait... Nannes.... Bracken.... Stuart Clark... one guy had Australia taking a side into Perth with 3 bowlers! The fact is, so far England looks the better team in every respect. Australia can't just throw everybody out and pick guys who have no form at all and hope to win. Either the present players get their act together and win a game or two, or England will win and retain the Ashes. At the moment, the latter looks more likely, but cricket's a funny game. If Australia does go down, at that point they need to get rid of the old players, starting with Ponting, pick a YOUNG squad and let them grow together. It's the only way to have a good team in 3 or 4 years. Australia is in a period of decline after a great run. Face it and build for the future. They'll lose for a while, but that's how the great Aussie sides of 1990 onwards started. Time for new blood, not old blood.

  • Meety on December 9, 2010, 5:51 GMT

    Part 7. Stuey Clark could be an option, but from what I have seen of him of late, he is only just medium pace (about Watto in speed). He could do a job of keep it tight for someone like MJ at the other end to give it a crack. Then there is also Hauritz. I think we could do without a spinner @ the WACA - all though this was an absolute failure v India 3 years ago. Hauritz is starting to take wickets, & now has a maiden 1st class century to his name. Given the uncertainty @ #6 in the batting line up - the extra bit of toughness in the tail end batting could be useful. My selections are; 8. Mitch Johnson - just run in and let it go WANG. 9. Hauritz, I don't care if he doesn't take a wicket give me an economy of 2 runs per over! 10. Harris - because he bowled fast & was our best from Adelaide. 11. Copeland - we need to win, to win need 20 wickets. This bloke is a wicket machine. If we go with 4 pacers - I would bring in Bollinger just ahead of Hilfy.

  • Samdanh on December 13, 2010, 7:09 GMT

    @mrGupta: Please note that in the 2006-07 series match in Perth Aus Vs India, the pitch was the slowest. If your memory is not helping, sift through reports and you will find that India won because Aus played its first innings prettly badly and the Indian batsmen scored well because the pitch was one of the slowest that WACA has seen. Let us see how the pitches turn out in the 2010 SA series and how Indian batsmen fare in that series, and come back and do an analyses

  • Meety on December 10, 2010, 0:21 GMT

    @ Green_and_Gold - Possible v Probable matches were played alot 60 years ago. Given it is not as easy to select a team at the moment - fair few candidates in varying degrees of form, a 3 match series in October would of been way better then a tour of India & 1 day series v Sri Lanka. @5wombats - mate in the end of the day the past is the past. Yes we had heaps of "All Stars" leave the squad from 2006 onwards. The problems I was discussing are about the now. I agree the foresight by Cricket Oz & selectors is appalling. I couldn't beleive we'd play a 2 Test series in India in the lead up to the Ashes. What Indian pitches would offer Oz as preparation for what was in liklihood going to have been a Green Top was beyond me. We more or less gave away our home advantage. Meanwhile the Poms had been very astute in their planning for 2 years - had heaps of motivation. Tough seeing all those greats retire, but we need to move on - there is an Ashes still to be won .... or lost.

  • HOMEBREW on December 9, 2010, 22:21 GMT

    I've got new scoring system based on performance. Very much like school, since this is how the aussies are going. Base it on wickets taken: England 20/20, you get a gold star! Australia 6/20, you get to repeat grade 2.

  • Green_and_Gold on December 9, 2010, 13:55 GMT

    Anyone thinking Australia Vs Australia A test match (or 3/4 day game) - lets see how some of these young blokes go against the oldies. Could be interesting.

  • kang-a-roo on December 9, 2010, 13:51 GMT

    Bring in Hughes for Katich, Stuart Clarke for Bollinger, Callum Ferguson for North and finally Nathan Hauritz for Doherty. It's been quite an ordeal for Hughes and this is it. Give him his well deserved chance. He's been playing exceptionally recently and his test record his phenomenal. Sometimes, I feel the Aussie selectors miss out on some would-be-great players. For instance, Brad Hodge, a blistering double on debut and a career average of 55 but still got only 6 test matches.The same is turning out to be with Hughes. He was playing quite well when he was dropped from the squad. 2 tons and 2 fifties in 13 innings with an average of 51. Now that speaks a lot about his temperament and technique. He might have struggled against short ones but that's not a reason to rule out somebody who's playing so well. Katich must feel that it's his responsibility now to make way for the new blood. He has served Australia for a long time and this is the perfect time for him to bid adieu.

  • on December 9, 2010, 11:44 GMT

    watson should open he has played the best in that role...the general consensus is hughes as the other opener who could provide england teh window to get ricky ponying who i doubt has any real ability left after the windies hit him in the arm...both ponting and hughes are suspect against the bouncer...north seems tobe finished and it is best to play a batman in that position...play haddin and than play four fast men...two tried and trusted and two new ones...the only spinner to take wickets aginst england is okeefe and he bowled thru bat and pad superbly against pakistan...or play cameron white at seven and four fast bowlers...tryout talent in the next test and than select a permanent winning side for the remaining two tests... the bigger test could bowler selection,,,harris, bollinger, copeland , tait...bowl tait in four over spells or try nannes for bollinger

  • 5wombats on December 9, 2010, 11:15 GMT

    @landl47 - once again good comments. @Meety - less so. Australia's "problems" have been caused by great players being great for a long time. Lucky them to have and enjoy such great players. But these champions kept rising talent out of the team. There has been a lack of foresight by CA which has resulted in the predicament faced by Australia on the pitch now. The talent, skill and toughness that we always associate with Australia are notable by their absence. Meanwhile, England have profitted by being hammered 5-0 in 2006. Lots of soul-searching in English cricket circles and lots of positive action re; training and preparation has produced a decent team that are pretty hard to beat - witness in Cardiff 2009, Brisbane and earlier in South Africa. Lots of Aus fans missed the significance of that tied series between SA & Eng - where Eng played quite well and only lost one test on a pitch specifically prepared for SA bowlers. Current Aus bowlers not in same class as SA.

  • on December 9, 2010, 7:20 GMT

    I Agree that Shaun Marsh should have a go opening but i'd drop Marcus North move Shane Watson down the order and bring in Phillip Hughes to open with Marsh. The bowling places are more difficult. Ben Hilfenhaus and Ryan Harris have been the most accurate fast bowlers and move the ball. Ponting has great faith in Peter Siddle but he's too inconsistent for my liking. I'd be handing a cap to Chris Swann. He might be in his 30's but he's tall accurate and swings the ball. The spinner is also difficult-i think giving Jason Krezja another chance might not be unreasonable. Xavier Doherty just bowled too quickly without enough variation in the tests so far . I suspect the selectors will go for Nathan Hauritz again though.He's improved but has never looked a potential match winner to me

  • landl47 on December 9, 2010, 6:12 GMT

    I've seen some nonsense in my time, but some of the stuff being said here defies belief. Tait... Nannes.... Bracken.... Stuart Clark... one guy had Australia taking a side into Perth with 3 bowlers! The fact is, so far England looks the better team in every respect. Australia can't just throw everybody out and pick guys who have no form at all and hope to win. Either the present players get their act together and win a game or two, or England will win and retain the Ashes. At the moment, the latter looks more likely, but cricket's a funny game. If Australia does go down, at that point they need to get rid of the old players, starting with Ponting, pick a YOUNG squad and let them grow together. It's the only way to have a good team in 3 or 4 years. Australia is in a period of decline after a great run. Face it and build for the future. They'll lose for a while, but that's how the great Aussie sides of 1990 onwards started. Time for new blood, not old blood.

  • Meety on December 9, 2010, 5:51 GMT

    Part 7. Stuey Clark could be an option, but from what I have seen of him of late, he is only just medium pace (about Watto in speed). He could do a job of keep it tight for someone like MJ at the other end to give it a crack. Then there is also Hauritz. I think we could do without a spinner @ the WACA - all though this was an absolute failure v India 3 years ago. Hauritz is starting to take wickets, & now has a maiden 1st class century to his name. Given the uncertainty @ #6 in the batting line up - the extra bit of toughness in the tail end batting could be useful. My selections are; 8. Mitch Johnson - just run in and let it go WANG. 9. Hauritz, I don't care if he doesn't take a wicket give me an economy of 2 runs per over! 10. Harris - because he bowled fast & was our best from Adelaide. 11. Copeland - we need to win, to win need 20 wickets. This bloke is a wicket machine. If we go with 4 pacers - I would bring in Bollinger just ahead of Hilfy.

  • Meety on December 9, 2010, 5:41 GMT

    Part 6. @ Adelaide we had - Doherty, Harris, Siddle & Bollinger. I will assume all 4 are fit. Of this foursome, Doherty definately has to go. I think he needs to be perservered with in ODIs, & brought along on tours, but he is still young & in theory could still be good value 10 years from now. Harris had really good pace, didn't swing it too much. Siddle tried hard (as expected), but has lacked penetration/threatening since Day @ the Gabba. Bollinger was brilliant on the 2nd morning at Adelaide & was as good as Anderson has been this summer. Had Hussey held that catch off Trott who knows how the match would of unfolded. Bollinger did wilt as the match wore on. Of the contenders there is Hilfy - he may be a good option into the Freo Doctor. M Johnson would be worth a look as it is his new home ground and he did make SA look 2nd rate on this strip 2 years ago. Copeland took some wickets here recently & is a good striker of wickets.

  • Meety on December 9, 2010, 5:32 GMT

    Part 5. I think their bowling is about the same - with Smiths definately on the improve. So based on this analysis I think Smith is the better alternate particularly if Punter is not getting axed or retiring too soon. My only concern with Smith is that whilst I think he is a far better wicket taking option then North, he may not be as economical. That being said this Ashes has to be won not drawn. White to me has had more opportunities then Smith to perform & hasn't shown (yet) he is up to it. Haddin is safe as w/k for the time being - but I don't want to see anymore dropped chances no matter how hard. Paine is a contender-Haddin's superior in glove work, but with the problems with Oz batting we need the extra 10 to 15 runs Haddin is worth per innings. I can see Paine improving his batting over the coming seasons.Now to where Oz's main problems are - the bowling! Oz need a horses for courses policy for the time being. No Warne, no McGrath who were good EVERYWHERE forces this policy.TBC

  • Meety on December 9, 2010, 5:24 GMT

    Part 4. S Smith has put his hand up with some good performances (not brilliant with the bat or ball). He is a BRILLIANT fielder which could have a big impact on the Oz side. Smiths bowling is improving with a 1st class ave of 46 he is only a few runs behind Hauritz & he has better statistics then Doherty. He has a strong batting career stats that are superior to Ferguson, Marsh & Khawaja. The only 2 other batsmen that I think is genuinely in the mix are the Victorians AB McDonald & White. AB is injured so is out of contention. White has got a lot of support from bloggers. As a captain of a successful state team he could be a replacement for Ponting in the near future. To do this he needs to prove himself as a batsmen. His career batting average is better then Marsh & Ferguson but not at Smiths level. In Tests with similar exposure their batting is similar White 29 v Smith 25. Like Smith White is a great fielder - particularly in the slips. TBC

  • Meety on December 9, 2010, 5:14 GMT

    Part 3. Given that Clarke looked pretty good in scoring 80, (& scored a century prior to the 1st Test), & Hussey has been pretty good form, the middle order is okay. So the next issue is North. Put simply - he has to go. Oz cannot afford a batsmen who averages 35 (& dropping), in their top 6 if they are not a front line bowling option like Watson. North is not even a very good fielder. When Symonds played in this position, he got his average to 40, when used as a bowler could take a couple of wickets & was a brilliant fielder anywhere. North doesn't match up anywhere in comparison. So who goes there! Ferguson is an option - but like Marsh is a talent that is on the improve - I don't think he has put forward a strong case since injury, (runs against NSW would be good). Khawaja is probably ahead of Ferguson, I would of loved to see him play against India or Pakistan - but North got the gig. TBC

  • MinusZero on December 9, 2010, 5:08 GMT

    They could do worse than to select Stuart Clark. He is always consistent and does have a great test record. Can't believe people are mentioning Tait, he is only good in very short spells, too short for tests.

  • Meety on December 9, 2010, 5:00 GMT

    Part 2. So the openers are set as 1. Hughes 2. Watson. The next issue is Ponting. He is a champion that needs to be given every opportunity to perform. He could easily have retired a year or two ago & left a reputation behind as an unqualified great of the game. I feel a good run is just around the corner - I thought he was looking good in Brizzy. A little touch of luck & he will be away racking up some big scores. As far as Punters captaincy - I have contrasting opinions of Punter. I think he is the best ODI captain we've ever had (except maybe Warne). The problem is he captains like it is an ODI game. He is too quick to drop a player back on the boundary or take a man out of the slips. He has to remain as captain for this series, but I think he needs to seek advice from past captains - (hopefully they will gladly offer up their time instead of sitting back & criticizing). I think Punter needs to stay @3 for the rest of the series. TBC

  • Meety on December 9, 2010, 4:52 GMT

    LOL - reading these comments (260 at time of writing) - there is almost 260 different "solutions". A disturbingly high proportion want to brink back players who have retired, I haven't seen anybody looking to dig The Don's bones up & try & clone him.... yet. I still beleive we have enough quality players to win back the Ashes & eventually take back our rightful position @ the top of world cricket. Hopefully Hughes will come in for Katich, Marsh is the only other candidate (except promoting Hussey) - but Marsh is still learning his trade, he is yet to average 40 in 1st class cricket. Jaques is not the batsmen he was prior to his back injury - I would love to see him at his best - but he is nowhere near it. Whilst I have been thinking Watto needs to move to 3 or lower, he has been Oz best batsmen for 18mths. If we had heaps of openers racking up big scores, then yes he would be good @ 6, but as it stands he has averaged 50 for the last year & a half. TBC!

  • BentheRed on December 9, 2010, 3:35 GMT

    I find it perplexing that everyone seems to think that Steve Smith and Marcus North are mutually exclusive. Steve Smith brings excitement to the game and can potential turn a game - he needs to play. He should have played in India; it seemed obvious then and more so in hindsight. He will go for a few runs but he'll take wickets, which is what Australia desperately needs. Hauritz has been given more than enough opportunities to prove himself over the past three years after being selected from grade cricket. He has proven himself to be a nice bloke, but a boring and ineffectual bowler. I was at the MCG on Day 3, 2008, and suffered through a day of watching Hauritz bowl pies to Dale Steyn. Doherty is much the same - he will consistently give 100% but lacks that brilliance required to be effective at the ellite level. As a batsmen, I'm not sure I would have North in the side, but he does bowl useful finger spin. Smith is a wrist spinner, and therefore the two complement each other well.

  • popcorn on December 9, 2010, 2:58 GMT

    You don't judge people on one performance or one game. Sometimes batsmen and bowlers hit lows.In EVERY Country.So sustained consistent performance with periods of drought are ok.Otherwise Mark Taylor would have dropped.Sachin Tendulkar would have been dropped.

  • Danube on December 9, 2010, 2:44 GMT

    SOS to two players officially retired from the longer form of the game - Shaun Tait and Dirk Nannes. Please come back lads, just for a couple of games, we need out two most hostile opening bowlers out their firing away and causing some mayhem. England have had it too easy the first couple of games. This is almost a complete reverse of Ashes games in the early 90's and not enjoying being on the receiving end!

  • on December 9, 2010, 2:11 GMT

    @nzcricket174: that would be super-awesome, especially if he can manage to win the game for australia by bowling a total of 8 overs in the game - 4 overs per inning.

  • m_baker on December 9, 2010, 1:23 GMT

    The problem with Tait is that he's not interested in playing tests. The last time he played in a test was, I recall, in Perth, where Ponting used him upwind into a gale and the poor guy couldn't get going. It was strange captaincy to say the least. If I were Tait, I wouldn't want to play under Ponting again.

  • madscientist001 on December 9, 2010, 1:20 GMT

    I like the Nannes idea. I have heard that he does not want to play the longer version of the game but I would really like to see him play test cricket. He seems to have a mean/nutcase streak that would let loose some bumpers at a batsman even if it means getting called no-ball for too much short balls in an over.

  • wix99 on December 9, 2010, 1:18 GMT

    I suggest bringing in Shaun Marsh to replace Simon Katich. Cameron White should replace Marcus North. Both Marsh and White have been key players for Australia in one day cricket and deserve a chance at Test level. Younger batsmen like Khawaja, Hughes and Smith haven't been consistent enough and don't yet demand a place.

    Hauritz deserves another chance as the spinner. Although he may not set the world on fire he is probably the best in Australia and has experience at Test level.

    The fast bowlers are all as mediocre as each other. The selectors should bring in one new bowler, perhaps Trent Copeland, to play with some of the more experienced bowlers like Johnson, Hilfenhaus and Siddle.

  • Team_Doctor on December 9, 2010, 0:52 GMT

    SHAUN MARSH, USMAN KHAWAJA, TRENT COPELAND and MARK CAMERON for Katich, North, Doherty and Bollinger. You will get runs and wickets from this in-form group. DROP PONTING DOWN THE ORDER FROM 3 TO 4 and elevate Clarke or Hussey to 3. That's all we need to do. Harris and Siddle should stay in to provide some stability to the pace attack. Forget the spinner as we have no-one who will get the English out or contain them. We need runs and 20 wickets to win in Perth to square the series or its all but over. Ponting will be better protected at 4 or 5 from the new ball. Lets face it, Tendulkar, Border, Steve Waugh etc never batted at 3. Its only Ponting's ego that makes him insist on remaining at 3. He is a terrible starter agains the newish ball, whereas he could rejuvenate his career by batting down the order and facing the older ball. By the time the 2nd new ball comes around, he will be 100+ not out.

  • nzcricket174 on December 9, 2010, 0:32 GMT

    I think Shaun Tait should make a 1 game comeback to see if they can win at least one game. His pace on a Perth wicket would be incredible. I've seen him bowl in limited overs at the WACA, and boy is he quick. Even Chris Gayle had trouble picking him up.

  • BrenyAndTheJets on December 9, 2010, 0:26 GMT

    There was still a potential 40 wickets on offer in both tests for the Australian's. England only batted once purely because of their inept bowling attack. They deserve the stat of 16/40, not 16/30.

  • Gulshan_Grover on December 9, 2010, 0:25 GMT

    I respect players who should be respected. Akram was a great bowler who had tremendous control over his art. Yes he was mostly medium fast (bowled in 130 to 136 K range) but pace is not everything.

  • on December 8, 2010, 23:40 GMT

    It's all about getting wickets and that's what they havnt been doing. Bring in first class bowlers who are capable of getting wickets. Mitchell Johnson no matter what form he is in is a wicket taking bowler. Trent copeland of NSW has taking nearly 60 wickets in 10 first class matches, that speaks for itself! The spinner department is very very bare. Bring in someone who is capable, go back to Jason krejza.

  • landl47 on December 8, 2010, 23:09 GMT

    I'm guessing they will make 3 changes: Hughes in for Katich, Hauritz in for Doherty and Hilfenhaus in for Bollinger. Harris looked good in Adelaide and Siddle is the only Aussie bowler with a decent return so far in the series, plus using 3 right-handed seamers will deny Swann the rough against right-handers, especially Ponting (too bad for Hauritz, but they don't see him as a match-winner anyway). They aren't going to drop North, first because they'd be changing half the team, second because North, Watson and Hussey were the only three Aussie bats to make over 20 in both innings at Adelaide and third because Ponting rates him. There are some odd posts here- people recommending that Katich drops to #3 and bringing Tait in. Don't these people know what's happening? Finally, the article is wrong. The Aussie bowlers got 16 of 40 wickets available. The fact that England didn't need to use their second innings at Adelaide doesn't mean it wasn't available.

  • Fareen on December 8, 2010, 22:53 GMT

    agree with SFay...S.Smith is not yet ready to play test cricket...Yes he bowls like a leg spinner but he can't swing it!!!..He deliveries just goes straight through...Picking him will be suicidal...Pick Krejza instead...He took 12 wickets in debut..Then went wicketless just for 1 test and...vanished...he can play a huge role....if not Hauritz can't do worse than doherty...in the pace department...Tait,though he retired,is a near necessity.He can hurry the english batters up...And just pick White instead of North....White is a confident lad & deserves to be there & his leg spin can come handy sometime.

  • popcorn on December 8, 2010, 22:53 GMT

    It is unflattering to the spin bowlers in Australia to ask for Warne's comeback.It is stupid too.At the same time, none of the spinners have done anything significant to warrant a place in the Test side - including Nathan Hauritz - except that he has more Test match experience.Some countries do not have quality spin bowlers, Australia is currently one of them, so be it.Australia and South Africa have all rounders in Shane Watson and Jacque Kallis, which other countries do not have.Rather than moan about not having a quality spinner and asking the impossible of Shane Warne, play to your strengths.West Indies did not have high quality spinners for a long time,so they opted for a four man pace attack,and used part timers for spin.Australia have Marcus North,and Katich (now injured),Michael Clarke as part timers, and if Australia MUST have a spinner,go for the tried and tested - Nathan Hauritz, or Jason Krejza. Blaming Ponting for selecting Doherty is not right.The Selectors were watching.

  • m_baker on December 8, 2010, 22:47 GMT

    Australian cricket has become a club in which the players all stick up for one another and the selectors never take risks. Ponting says North has "great value to the team." Huh?? This is how you end up with the team we have. The only people in Australia who think Marcus North should keep his spot are Marcus, the other 10 players, and Marcus's mum. Ponting lacks judgement, imagination and no longer has the batting ability to lead by example from the front. Clarke is perhaps the most overrated batsman of all time. Haddin can't take catches, which is what he's selected for. Doherty is innocuous. Bollinger and Hilfenhaus are still potentially lethal in favorable conditions but really, isn't it time for a complete cleanout? Why delay?

  • vichan on December 8, 2010, 22:35 GMT

    @Andrew Moreton: You are quite right to point out that England's four South African-born players are just that - only overseas born, but British. Certainly all of them had their cricketing talent blossom in England, be that at either school level or in county cricket. They are products of English cricket, of that there is no doubt. However you also said that "All but KP have an English parent and all four [Strauss, Trott, Pietersen and Prior] are married to British girls and live in the UK." Actually, I would like to point out that Pietersen's mother Penny is also from Kent.

  • Danizo on December 8, 2010, 22:11 GMT

    Obviously Katich needs to be replaced, so Khawaja or Hughes would be the choice. I'd select Khawaja because last time Hughes played international cricket, he didn't do very well. That was against New Zealand. Watson should drop back down the order because unconverted 50s are not what the team needs from an opener. Hussey was always a specialist opener and made his international debut as an opener. He should go up the order. Also, North should be dropped. My squad would be this:

    Khawaja Hussey Ponting Clarke Watson Haddin Siddle Nannes Tait Johnson Hughes (12th man)

  • Nampally on December 8, 2010, 21:43 GMT

    Australia need to reshuffle the batting order a bit along with the players. Ponting has failed at #3 position. Include Huges to open with Watson and let Katich drop to #3, Clarke #4, Ponting #5, Hussey #6 , North #7, Haddin #8, Johnson #9, Hauritz #10, Harris#11. Johnson & Harris are still the best fast bowlers. Watson & North can support in bowling with Hauritz still the best spin option. Dropping Ponting loweer in the batting gives him a chance to regain his form and strengthen the lower middle order. Katich being the opener can handle #3 spot better. Clarke & Hussey with their good form should set the foundation for a big total. North Haddin & Johnson can strengthen the lower order batting which was sadly lacking in both the tests. Ponting must use Katich and Clarke as spin bowler options which gives Australia a much better all round side than the first 2 tests. Australia should focus on batting like England did - 600 total. Also Ponting must focus on getting England out twice.

  • Stevo_ on December 8, 2010, 21:24 GMT

    @S.N.Singh Steven Smith is not a legspinner, I repeat again Steven Smith is not a leg spinner. He is not Warne or Benaud, he is not a leg spinner.

    Not sure why everyone thinks Smith is a leg spinner, he only has 33 wickets at over 50 , he is a part-time bowler , he not a leg spinner (getting the picture yet?)

  • asraruwant on December 8, 2010, 21:20 GMT

    I genuinely believe this should be Australia's XI for the perth test match in this Following Batting order. 1) Phil Hughes 2) Shane Watson 3) Ricky Ponting 4) Michael Clarke 5) Michael Hussey 6) Brad Haddin 7) Steve Smith* 8) Mitchell Johnson* 9) Peter Siddle 10) Ryan Harris 11) Ben Hilfenhaus. *Steve Smith in current form will atleast bat and bowl bettter than Doherty and North although iam not expecting him to be a star but still will be better than them. * Johnson will shorten the tail and Australia need that batting cushion at 8 as the top order isnt in the best of forms and he will not bowl any worse than what bollinger did in adelaide infact the perth bounce will just suit his bowling. Australia should remember that although it is important for them to win this test match its even more important they dont loose this test match because if they do then they cannot win the ashes, the next 2 tests will be more or less dead rubbers.

  • Sigma-Eleven on December 8, 2010, 20:48 GMT

    Need some changes in the thinking. Play two specialist openers (Hughes and Marsh could be the options) and bring Watson at No.6. That way he can share some burden while bowling. Keep North, Doherty out of the team. Bring back Hauritz as the lone spinner. Bring Peter George in the team. He impressed against India and during his latest first class match he picked up 9 wickets and won the game for his team. Play Harris and one of Siddle, Hilfenhous or Bollinger. Cameron White could be the 12th man. In case Australia wants to open with Shane Watson then Cameron White can play at No.6. The team could be something like this - 1. Philip Hughes 2. Shaun Marsh 3. Ricky Ponting 4. Michael Clarke 5. Michael Hussey 6. Shane Watson 7. Brad Haddin 8. Nathan Hauritz 9. Ryan Harris 10. Peter George 11. Peter Siddle or Ben Hilfenhous or Doug Bollinger 12th Man: Cameron White

  • avis1001 on December 8, 2010, 20:40 GMT

    Forget Oz for sometime - they need to improve a lot - really a LOT.

  • r1m2 on December 8, 2010, 19:49 GMT

    I had predicted aussie downfall ever since the selectors gave way for emotion over stone cold team assessment. It did not bother the former selectors to drop legends like Mark Waugh, Steve Waugh etc. after a few poor match performances. Despite their desire to continue, good domestic form and legendary status, they could not come back into the team. Martyn had one poor series before he was shown the door. Ever since Ponting took over as captain, this policy was no longer in play. It seemed emotion overcame the Aussies. Hussey has been allowed to play for such a long time without doing his job. Ponting is also living rather comfortably but in very much borrowed time. Same goes for Mitchell Johnson etc. These jokers (in their current form) would not have played their last 10+ matches if the Aussies really wanted to win. The team selection have ruined a culture of professionalism and commitment to perfection by allowing emotion to creep into their decision making.

  • on December 8, 2010, 19:19 GMT

    If one goes looking for bowlers one sees tait and nannes as a choice and in spinners okeefe seems to have done well against england...in batting while the top order has a good 2010 record ricky ponting should step aside and be a non playing captain and allow the younger batsmen like callum, usman and maybe cameron white for north...australia should not be looking for the bowlers to bat ...but to take wickets...tait, nannes and bollinger would be my choice and if u play four seamers...if u play cameron white and watson than three seamers and okeefe...play six batsmen, wicketkeeper , three seamers and a spinner...okeefe is a wily left armer and he has done well against england and pakistan

  • ejsiddiqui on December 8, 2010, 18:42 GMT

    Why C White is not in the team? He was easily the best Aussie player in last 12 months in ODI. He has the experience and can be good in Tests as well.

  • Hema_Adhikari on December 8, 2010, 18:40 GMT

    @Rehman Ray Saiyed, it was other way around. Srikanth's ferocious batting had Akram etc. shaking in their boots. And, No I don't think that nose breaking incidence ever happened. Srikanth was out to him couple of times because he could not face accurate medium pace outswinger from Akram.

  • on December 8, 2010, 18:14 GMT

    Greg Chappel will dismantle Oz cricket and suck out Player's souls. He will soon chuck out all the experienced guys and claim that these guys lack intent and dedication. Remember,he sachin lacked commitment. He is ridiculous

  • S.N.Singh on December 8, 2010, 17:18 GMT

    IF AUSTRALIA WANT TO STRENGTHEN THEIR SIDE THEY WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE STEVEN SMITH ALONG WITH HAURITZ. THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW THE TREND, RICHIE BENAUD AND SHANE WARNE. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY OUT, THEY HAVE TO TAKE THE CHANCE WITH SMITH, HE IS VERY YOUNG. WHERE AS AUSTRALIA DO NOT GET OUT AT THAT AGE. AND PUT POINTING TO OPEN BECAUSE HE IS NO GOOD AT # 3. S.N.SINGH U S A

  • stutidutta on December 8, 2010, 17:17 GMT

    I wonder why AUS are not using bracken and stuart clarke.?????/i still feel ,bracken has still got the ability and talent to trouble any batsman and bring down the opposition run rate down....

  • on December 8, 2010, 16:59 GMT

    Actually Australians should find out the one that is the Butt in their Cricket affairs. I feel that just like as we have Ijaz Butt in our Cricket there must be a Butt somewhere in Australian Cricket. I believe very strongly that Australia has far more talented players than England and they can easily manage to win in there own Country.

  • Rohan0309 on December 8, 2010, 16:47 GMT

    Aussies need to fall back on MJ and Hauritz is the unparalleled spinner in Australia. Bollinger should be given another chance!

  • suday on December 8, 2010, 16:40 GMT

    Don't go there about KP and the rest of the "English" players KP ran away from south africa because he could not get into the Natal B side and way back then he started off has a spinner.

  • on December 8, 2010, 16:05 GMT

    give him a break ..He is a great bowler but he is 40. He deserves his rest. OZ r all over.... dey will be like "D NEW" west indies..hahahaha

  • ranand88 on December 8, 2010, 15:57 GMT

    Well its time for aussie to bring their experienced bowling back to their side. As Jeff Thomson rightly said, australia is having the poorest bowling side after 30 hard years. I would recall Stuart Clarke, Brett Lee, Nathan Bracken and spinner might by Nathaun Hauritz(Being experience) as a 4 specilist bowlers. Then, Phil Hughes, Shane Watson, Ricky Ponting, Michale Clarke, Mike Hussey, Brad Hodge(replace North) and Brad Haddin. Bring back the strong side and try to complete the mighty English team. England seems to be the tough team as they are in 1970's and 1980's. Great Show England!!! Best wishes for the perth match to retain ashes.

  • on December 8, 2010, 15:55 GMT

    @RobDN - this South African players nonsense continues to be used as an excuse by the losers. Trott, Pietersen, Strauss & Prior are British. Yes, they were all born in SA but Strauss left when he was 6, Prior at the age of 10 and Trott/Pietersen as teenagers. All but KP have an English parent and all four are married to British girls and live in the UK.

  • on December 8, 2010, 15:52 GMT

    @RobDN. Oh how you must wish for the playing talents of Dav Whatmore, Andrew Symonds, Brendon Julian & Keppler Wessels eh? I reckon if you had that lot in your team you'd be able to give those south african poms a right good going over!!!!!! And isn't the next batting cab off the rank for the ozzies actually Pakistani? Get over the SA thing, its old hat, hypocritical, and you make youself look like a sore loser, and given that you're going to have to get used to losing for a while, i'd suggest learning to do it with some dignity ;-)

  • Herbet on December 8, 2010, 15:50 GMT

    Mr Gupta - I agree a really good bowler, say like Mohammed Asif or Shaun Pollock, is better than a really fast one. But Australia don't have any really good bowlers, well no actually they do but they don't seem to want to pick Stuart Clark. The next best option is pure pace. Its got to be worth a go! Are we all talking about the same Shaun Marsh who averages under 40 in First Class cricket against the same bowlers England are taking to pieces on largely batsmen friendly pitches? He's also a middle order batsmen. Pick some openers for gods sake!

  • on December 8, 2010, 15:47 GMT

    Ricky Ponting has enjoyed captaincy under the some good players like hayden,Warne,Mcgrath etc there is no good quality ponting have in him, its better to give captaincy to new emerging player like C.White in ODI and Carke in tests and look forward to future.

  • on December 8, 2010, 15:30 GMT

    i think Aussies should go with their young fast bowler (forgot his name). The supposed seniors aren't setting the world alight anyway. I know it might put alot of pressure on the young lad making debut in a potentially do-or-die Ashes, but moments like these give so much to learn from. If he uses the environment to his benefit, he ca go miles on international stage. Even if he his a miss, selectors can recall him when playing a less pressurised series. But his introduction will give Aus the pace and England, that little sense of uncertainty against a young prospect. As a Pak fan, Mohammad Aamir comes into mind. True he is out because of all sorts of wrong reasons, his progress into international scene can not be underestimated. Bowling the first over of a T20 Final against the most form team of the tournament at Lord's. Did wonders to that young lad.

  • on December 8, 2010, 15:30 GMT

    @mrgupta - Wasim Akram was a medium pacer? I guess you don't remember how he bowled in the 150s during his younger years (remember when he broke Srikanth's nose and shattered his confidence in 1987). I agree with you on express pace not being the only qualification for getting test wickets (e.g Mohammad Sami and Tino Best) but to put Akram in the same "pace" category as Botham, Pollock and McGrath is a bit of a joke!

  • on December 8, 2010, 15:28 GMT

    Flip flopping on bowling lineup will only worsen the situation. Here is my lineup Johnson, Hauritz and Siddle and Ryan Harris. Don't keep changing the lineup unless due to injury. This is not a video game to change avatars.

  • HostileJ on December 8, 2010, 15:19 GMT

    @RobDN: haha classic! Seeing that they want to pull in Shane Warne again maybe they should dig up Kepler Wessels (which is a qualified Saffer) too.He will bat with Hussey the whole day! Aus,harden the hell up and play some cricket.

  • PROTEAFAN on December 8, 2010, 14:55 GMT

    Clarke should be dropped because he is struggling in all forms of the game, and one innings of 80 does not a top-flight batsman make. Doherty was just woefully out of his depth - hopefully this experience doesn't leave the lad scarred for life. Bollinger is good in the shorter forms of the game, but with that massive frame, is he fit enough for test cricket? North has had enough chances and just doesn't have the grit to fight it out when the going gets tough. Drop these four, bring back Johnson and Hauritz. Include Paine as wicketkeeper and play Haddin as a batsman only. Find another top-flight batsman to open with M. HUSSEY in Katich's stead, bring Watson in at 3, Ponting at 4, Haddin 5, Paine 6, Johnson 7, Hauritz 8, Harris 9, Siddle 10 and Nannes at 11. That's a team with 5 bowlers, 2 of whom bat well. Watson's a helluva cricketer, but should bowl in limited measure in tests to promote his longevity. He will remain an alternative with the ball if the others fail.

  • thirdmanboundary on December 8, 2010, 14:32 GMT

    Doesn't Australia have any South African-born players eligible to lift the Oz team to greatness? Some Saffer talent lurking in Perth maybe? That's been the main difference between England and Australia: England gobbled up SAfrican talent and made those blokes their own.

  • mrgupta on December 8, 2010, 14:21 GMT

    People who want Tait and Lee to be in the side to get Top speed and put fear in English batsmen should recall a test match played in Perth in 2008, when Aussies played both Lee and Tait (Both younger and faster then they are today) and guess what was the result? India defeated Aussies easily on the fast track as Lee and Tait cud not induce any fear in any Indian batsmen. So, what Aussies need is not Express pace but good quality bowlers who can get wickets, fear will follow. Remember Sir Hadlee, Kapil, Sir Botham, Mcgrath, Pollock and Wasim Akram? All of them were medium pacers or at best bowl in mid 140s but were exceptional bowlers who induced fear into batsmen, fear of getting Out!

  • abbasnsmind on December 8, 2010, 14:19 GMT

    Australia is in a situation where they need to drop the policy of having a different test team and odi and t20 team. It is now time to call on the experience and aggression. I think Cameron White should be brought back in place of north. ALso I think David Hussey, since he is aggressive and a good all rounder. Mitchell Johnson should be back. And if possible bring warney back for the next three matches. He seems to be fit since he is playing for Rajasthan. And just warneys presence will lift the team.

  • insightfulcricketer on December 8, 2010, 14:16 GMT

    aussie fans please get rid of greg chappel from all forms of oz cricket management. he will dismantle brick by brick the entire edifice of australian cricket. he almost did with indian cricket. indian fans have always been beholden of our overseas coaches Wright and Kirsten are example not him .i sincerely believe he is plain in-competent not someone with a divisive agenda. a great player does not necessarily translate into a great manager please get rid of him before its too late.

  • on December 8, 2010, 14:12 GMT

    I haven't read all the comments but what about TRENT COPELAND. He is only new to the scene but is averaging 18 per wicket, looks the goods! MARK CAMERON played well against England XI in Hobart, he surely wouldn't do a worse job then the current crop.

  • on December 8, 2010, 14:03 GMT

    They had to be strict. Anyways India is getting stronger as a team.

  • on December 8, 2010, 14:01 GMT

    Would England drop Paul Collingwood and bring in Tremlett and Bresnan? 6 batters and 5 bowlers at Perth...swann ..finn...tremlett..bresnan or shahzad..anderson..prior..bell..peterson..trott..cook and strauss and go for the aussie jugular?.i wanted to say 'break the spine of Aussie batting' but where's the truth in that.:)

  • Naren on December 8, 2010, 13:41 GMT

    I am thinking this would be a balanced team for Perth. I would also like to see that batting order.

    S Marsh, Watson, M Hussey, Ponting, Clarke, White / Ferguson, Haddin, McDonald / Hauritz / Smith, Johnson, Harris, Copeland / Cameron / Hilfenhaus.

    Bollinger and Siddle are disappointing. When the pitch is not assisting, they can't do anything at all.

    Hauritz / Johnson provided better batting, which was key to Australia's success. Even though Johnson is not performing with the bat, definitely he will score sooner than later. Also McDonald was a lucky one for the team. Australia played better when he was there in the team. Now he has made some solid scores in the domestic cricket as well.

  • on December 8, 2010, 13:37 GMT

    I am having good fun reading the aussies talking about who should go and who should be in and the problems with selectors. Unfortunatley lads the problem is with Australian cricket and there is no quick fix. You have not got the XI in the country who can compete with England tomorrow. You may find that to have a team ready for 2014 is going to be hard. The cupboard is bare and Shield cricket (which is the cupboard) has been on decline for some years and is now in a state of complete disrepair. In the last few years we have seen talented new players emerge but they are not test quality, they are hit and giggle cricketers who can survive and prosper in a very good test side that more often than not has the oppo on the ropes (Symonds, White, and now Smith). These lads are no good in a bad side. Look at England in the dark days ---- Holyoak, Holyoak, Ricky Clarke, Ealham and countless other bits and pieces jokers/ journeymen. All would have been good in the Aussie great side though.

  • Amu7 on December 8, 2010, 13:33 GMT

    Well its time to give young players like Trent Copeland and Usman Khwaja their chance.Copeland is by far the best fast bowler in Australia with exceptional first class record.All right he has played handful of Fc games but wasnt Peter George given the chance after similar amount of Games. And its time to dispense with Ponting as captain, Hilditch as selector and Nielsen as coach. Hilditch and Nielsen have proved impotent and they dont seem to learn from their mistakes. Last thing to dispense is with the Australian Cricket Academy , cause every bowler you see going around in Australian domestic Cricket is open chested hit the deck bowler . Almost action of every bowler is same and even the game plan is same bowl back of length and thatswhy when the aussie bowler pitch it up the ball just comes under the bat very hittable instead of zipping of the deck like the way Anderson or Zaheer Khan can do.

  • Gordo85 on December 8, 2010, 13:18 GMT

    Did anyone notice what I noticed how Siddle got most of his wickets in the first Test with the fresh cherry new ball? I was so annoyed when I was seeing in the Second Test that Ponting thought he would bowl him as a first change bowler. Common sense would of been keep him going as an opening bowler and have Bollinger first change and or Harris. I will be very angry if Siddle gets dropped from the Third Test match squad due to poor captaincy and not much thought from Ponting.

  • on December 8, 2010, 13:18 GMT

    Why would the like of Strauss , Trott , Pieterson and Prior not want to their country of origin oh wait !!

  • chad_reid on December 8, 2010, 12:57 GMT

    @Lovetesh you hit the nail on the head

  • on December 8, 2010, 12:56 GMT

    drop the lot and send in the womens team, they could not do worse!!

  • on December 8, 2010, 12:47 GMT

    Bring in Hughes,Hauritz and Johnson-thats the best line-up-theoretically the Aussies can still win this series-thus wholesale changes are not warranted as the team could be destabilised.Watson,Hughes,Ponting,Clarke,Hussey,North,Haddin,Johnson,Hauritz,Harris,Siddle should be the team

  • on December 8, 2010, 12:43 GMT

    It's great to hear the whingeing Aussies casting around for some low grade cricketers to improve their team.

    This would be my selection for the Australian team in Perth:

    Strauss, Cook, Trott, Pieterson, Collingwood, Bell, Prior, Swann, Bresnan, Anderson and Finn.

  • WilliamFranklin on December 8, 2010, 12:38 GMT

    Are people seriously suggesting Andrew Symonds?

  • on December 8, 2010, 12:27 GMT

    @Pushkar Singh : Lee(34) ,Clark(35) n Bracken(33).Come on its almost 2011.......not 2007.......OZ need it select young bowlers

  • on December 8, 2010, 12:22 GMT

    bring Cameron White in place of North- the useles. ALso calling up Hauritz in place of Doherty is ion d cards.No point in gambling with Steve Smith.

  • Lovetesh on December 8, 2010, 12:20 GMT

    Make Shane Warne either coach or chief national selector and see how this team turns around both mentally and operationally!!

  • on December 8, 2010, 11:52 GMT

    This is the weakest Australian XI I have seen over the years and the Kangroos have never ever lost a Test match like this. Gone are the days of Gilchrist, Hayden, Langer, Martin, the great Warnie and the Piggeon With that combination they would have wallopped any side in the world. Pity indeed

  • Herbet on December 8, 2010, 11:45 GMT

    Andrew Hildritch and Ricky Ponting basicaly need to go round to Shaun Tait's house with a big sack of dosh and say "High Shaun, hows the shoulder, fancy a game of cricket next week, what will it take?". Even if he only bowls 15 overs an innings in 3 5 over bursts or 5 3 over bursts he is the only genuine wicket taker I can think of who could blow a hole in any batting line up. Watson, Clarke and North, should he be fortunate enough to be picked again, can make up the rest of his allowance and hold down an end. If they could also persuade Brett Lee to come back then we might have a contest on our hands. Hilfenhaus and Bollinger aren't quick enough, Siddle is one dimensional, Harris also one dimensional and Johnson appears to have lost the plot. Oh yeah, and you have no other choice than to pick Nathan Hauritz. If Steve Smith plays we could have another Bryce McGain episode on our hands, and that would just be cruel on the young fella.

  • reddy_rulz on December 8, 2010, 11:43 GMT

    i love to see SYMONDS in the team......he is the best match winner & urgently team need him..symo is real aggresive man in all aspects of the game,he can bowl also.. if he is in the team he surely will mental support....lee,johnson could be best options for bowl

  • tones765 on December 8, 2010, 11:31 GMT

    I believe Australia should take the 'bull by the horns' approach here and change the whole setup of the team..there is this lack of motivation and the lack of winning matches that is visibly seen in this team.

    Bring Warner in to open the innings with Watson, even a quick fire 40 odd will pose some questions at the English bowlers and will make them alter their line and length. You need someone who would take the attack to the opposition to dent their confidence like a Sehwag, Gayle, Mccullum and hence Warner would be my choice.. 3/4/5 would be Ponting/Clark/Hussey.. At 6, i would drop North who has been disastrous and bring Brad Hodge who has had the experience and is a fabulous batsman! Australia seem to have just ignored him for voicing his opinons against him! Haddin will remain at 7! Doherty simply has to go, he is good at the shorter version..Haurtiz is the best choice now!

    3 quicks..the real prob! what are the options? hilfenhaus/johnson/bollinger/siddle/harris & geroge

  • preshak on December 8, 2010, 11:18 GMT

    I think aussiess days are gone I think they should accept it and start to play like zimbabew.

  • on December 8, 2010, 11:06 GMT

    i think austalians have to give chance to usman khawaja and change the spiners doherty to hauritz

  • HostileJ on December 8, 2010, 11:06 GMT

    Aus has problems that stretches far further than just selection issues:1)Watson has to convert 50s into 100s.punter and clarke needs a proper platform to fire.thats what hayden and langer provided.40s and 50s as an opener is a sin.if you get to 50 you must make a ton!2) Ponting needs his mojo back.He is a natural strokeplayer and should play attacking cricket.dont change whats been working for so long 3) North is a passenger.get rid of that guy and pick someone like a ferguson at 6. 4) hauritz is a no brainer.this doherty fellow is nowhere as a spinner..he's a better batsman 5) Keep dougie.he will win you games 6) keep siddle but tell him to cut the crap and bowl the ball at 145+kph..his mediocre 125-130 pace is not what he is there for.Run up an kill'em 7) Aussies got to realise that this is the best english side in decades.Where is that dominating aus spirit? Eng great stuff - this is how you should win test matches!Perth prediction: Eng win.

  • mehul_shroff on December 8, 2010, 11:01 GMT

    Doesnt Watson deserve a look in ? Is he injured ???

  • Karzz on December 8, 2010, 11:00 GMT

    I support Ponting bcoz he is the best captain he won 2 world cup for his side. Not just a captain he is the most run scorer for his side in 2 formats of the game. Now he is struggling with the captaincy and with his bat. i m sure he will come back soon to form. For his failure main reason is The selectors of ACA bcoz they didnt select the right persons for the side i dont want to see Marcus North in the test side replace with Cameron White who is Aggressive Batsman & he is helpful with his Legspin. Dont forget he played two test in india as a specialist Spin bowler.

    Pace attack also weak for Aus i suggest bring back Shaun Tait and Mitchell Johnson.

  • on December 8, 2010, 11:00 GMT

    i think there is no quick fix to the team but if we lose the ashes my team would be. watson hughes ponting clarke fergo white paine smith johnson harris and hilfy.. but for now i would put hughes white smith in and go with that..(hope white has bin working on his bowling)

  • anver777 on December 8, 2010, 10:56 GMT

    Aussie selectors still its not too late drop NORTH & replace KHAWAJA in the next test, i'm sure he will perform better than North !!!!!!!!!! need to shuffle the team big time....

  • Okakaboka on December 8, 2010, 10:51 GMT

    Yes you are right Amir Anjum, the Poms would be shaking in their boots if Nannes was bowling at them on the Perth pitch......even in Adelaide they may have needed the brown cordorys. BUT.....he is another one...a Victorian - Dutchman that was ignored when young (he did start a bit late) that could have been a force in test cricket. Another lost talent....as was David Hussey, Jamie Siddons, Darren Berry (the best keeper of all time). Is Cameron White to be another victim???? Well done again selectors.....by the way...I state again, it is NOT a state rivalry thing...it is about what's fair...WE want the best cricket team.....no matter where they come from. Hey, do you really want Clarke as the test Captain??? If Ponting resigns after another loss that is what we will have....Think!!! Can you imagine the intellectual thought processes going on to get a batsman out who is on 230 not out? Yeah, um 'What colour Undies am I advertising this week in the Target sale catalogue?'

  • Niju_001 on December 8, 2010, 10:51 GMT

    Aussie bowling is toothless. They need a fiery bowler to create fear in the minds of the English openers. Time to call Shaun Tait and Dirk Nannes, they have the pace and can create confusion in the minds of the English players. Also bring in Mitchell Johnson atleast he can bat lower down the order. Swap North with David Hussey and your middle order will suddenly look stronger with the hussey brothers. Move Michael Hussey to the 3 spot and Ponting to 4. After that its all self belief that you can do it. If they feel otherwise any changes will not help. Let them play a series with the Kiwis instead. There is equality in them... both are down mentally.

  • bluebillion on December 8, 2010, 10:51 GMT

    Fear not my fellow Indians commenting on the plight of the Aussies. Thou shalt have the same oppotunity come December 20 (or maybe 18). We shall witness the same words with names changed to Dravid, Dhoni, Raina, Pujara, Uthappa etc etc!

  • 158notout on December 8, 2010, 10:49 GMT

    This side would be quite exciting:

    Hughes, Jacques, Ponting, Khawaja, Hussey, Watson, Haddin, Johnson, Hauritz, Harris, (not sure about last seamer but not Siddle, Doug or Hilfy).

    It might not save this series but it might build for the future.

  • bluebillion on December 8, 2010, 10:49 GMT

    Aussie XI for 3rd test: Hayden, Langer, Ponting (cant change captains midway thru a series!), M Waugh, Hussey M, Hussey D, Haddin, Warne, Clark, Tait, Nannes. No McGrath - saw him in IPL - he's lost it. So has Warne but the name might be enough for the poms.

  • XloverXsooriX on December 8, 2010, 10:44 GMT

    i am srilankan cricket fan, but I realy feel sorry for aussies, they were the best in cricket all time, aussies need new Mcgrath, Gilesphie, shane warne. They got to get these type of bowlers from somewhere. I want aussies back in hunt before the world cup. This is a comman

  • on December 8, 2010, 10:35 GMT

    bring hughes in for katich drop north and give a kwaja a chance at no.6 also drop doherty and bring back hauritz

    My 11 for perth:

    Watson Hughes Ponting Hussey Clarke Kwaja Haddin Johnson Haurtiz Harris Siddle

  • thetank5 on December 8, 2010, 10:33 GMT

    First of all doherty was just terrible, he didn't turn the ball, he didn't flight it well and he didn't get any drift. everyone is saying pieterson is vulnerable to left arm orthodox bowlers however he has got out to paceman around double the amount of times! hauritz at least is economical and makes the batsmen play, even he gets drift and spin! So that is an obvious change.

    Bollinger at least tried hard but only seems dangerous with the new ball in hand! Also Harris, Siddle and bollinger are all similar style bowlers. Line and length who hit the pitch hard. Australia needs some variation so I suggest have both Hilfenhaus and johnson in the team as well as harris.Keep North in he faired alright in the last match making 2 scores over 20, i mean he did better than ponting.However if he is dropped i say look to either cameron white or david hussey, both experienced, quality batsmen with a decent spin bowling ability!

  • radhegee on December 8, 2010, 10:30 GMT

    Well it is now proved that North is a waste but i dont know why everybody is talking about fegureson and Usman as his replacement .May be because of their younger age . Instead Cameron White is the man who should be in team in plalce of North , by the way he is also just 27 . White is one of our leading run scorrer in onedayers , we all know how capable he is in T20 and we have seen how he hammered the English bowlers in the 4 day tour game and scored a ton where all other Australians Batsman failed including Fegureson and Usman .White had led victoria from a very young age of 20 and he is definitely a future captain of australia .We need an aggressive batsman at no. 6 and White's attacking skill could be a great help to reclaim Ashes . Its high time now and selectors should replace Western Australia's captain with Victoria's skipper in Australian National team .

  • Nerk on December 8, 2010, 10:29 GMT

    North to be the main spinner, he turns it more than Doherty or Hauritz. But they will probably do the strange thing and bring in someone way out of left field, like England have been doing for the last twenty years or so! oh, and there is always Cam White, not a bad batter for the middle order, has done well in ODI, might impact in tests, and a few leggies wont go amiss against the poms.

  • on December 8, 2010, 10:02 GMT

    Ponting has to come out with much more vigor, and he should lead from the front. Everyone in the team looks for captains action, he should lead from the front but he is in a total disarray even Micheal Clarke. Thereby the problem starts from the captain performance on par. Even the decision for changing few members would not have a severe impact until unless they need to figure it out before its too late.

  • dr.thirsty on December 8, 2010, 9:59 GMT

    For those who are asking, Brad Hodge is currently safely ensconced in NZ playing T20 for the Northern Knights in the HRV Cup. Even took a wicket the other day with his 'offies'! Don't know if Australia are thinking of calling him up for a Test or two, but at this stage of his career I guess he won't want to take the step down in class

  • on December 8, 2010, 9:56 GMT

    Nonthing is going to help this slump now.

  • on December 8, 2010, 9:54 GMT

    I think by Sydney test Lee, Clarke, Tait and Bracken will comprise the bowling attack...

  • on December 8, 2010, 9:53 GMT

    I'd drop North. Average record and no good against Swan. Bring in David Hussey or Khawaja to bat at 3 and move Ponting and the others down 1 spot in the battting order. Hughes for Kaitich gives a young guy with a good record another chance.

    Drop Doherty for Hauritz he's responded well to his axing and is a good solid bat which we need as the tail was too long. Bollinger out for Hilfy as he's needed into the wind at Perth and Bollinger isn't 100% match fit. Maybe also George or Copeland in for Siddle as they're good tall guys with bounce for Perth and with very good records at the domestic level.

    The team looked so flat in much of the first 2 tests they need to make changes and get some enthusiasim and excitement into the team.

    Hughes Watson D.Hussey/Khawaja Ponting M.Hussey Clarke Haddin Hauritz Harris Hilfy George/Copeland.

  • Okakaboka on December 8, 2010, 9:42 GMT

    Tell you what, If dropkick Hilditch & Co. pick North it tells us all it is about trying to put bums on seats because it is his home ground.....and NOT trying to win a test match!!!! To retain this mega piece of baggage in the Australian team would be the all time joke. Generally, Victorians have been so badly treated by the selectors I think it is time to boycot the Melbourne test. Cameron White deserves a game.....The country has lost Hodge as a test player due to his harsh treatment...caught by 'the Nothing' so to speak (See Neverending Story to understand this). Siddle is still relatively young and can improve.....one bad test and he will be gone???? Come on!!!...How many goes does North get, did Johnston get??? As for butterfingers Haddin...yep...he has made a few runs...so what...how many drop catches? One off Siddle too! Wade is a better bat anyway and a quadtrillion times better keeper (and in his early twenties) SO HILDITCH & CO. get it right OR FACE AN EMPTY MCG ON BOXING DAY!

  • on December 8, 2010, 9:42 GMT

    i think jacques should open as the wily english bowlers wont let hughes thru...at three should be the best batsman..hussey...find a four and five...ricky or clarke at six(drop one...two failing captains in a team is a waste of a spot)...forget an alrounder since u have haddin...play okeefe as the spinner and try out the best bowlers in australian state cricket...forget the talent bit...In the third test try out all the choices available and than try to win the remaining two tests with the best players...ricky has to go sometimes and a new captain can change many of his failing policies...at the moment i think copeland, hasting, bollinger, okeefe...hauritz if u want to play it safe

  • on December 8, 2010, 9:22 GMT

    So what now Aussies, try Tait or Nannes now or may be bring some one out of retirement ............... hahahaha That's the only way possible.

  • Team_Doctor on December 8, 2010, 9:18 GMT

    The reason to change is we must WIN to square the series 1:1 in Perth to stand a realistic chance of regaining the Ashes. Conversely, a loss in Perth will mean the Ashes are England's until at least 2013. The Australian bowlers in the last 2 England innings have taken 6 for1137: 190 runs per wicket! In a batting lineup with a long tail, we can't afford to carry two out-of-form batsmen. Ponting is struggling, so we can't afford to carry North. NSW is at the top of the Sheffield Shield table for a reason. In particular, the bowling of Cameron and Copeland and the batting of Khawaja. I don't think the form of Hughes/Jaques has impressed of late, and I would pick Shaun Marsh as the opener. i would move Ponting down the order, as his age means he is vulnerable coming in so early, and would be better lower down. My batting order for Perth (note alternating RHB/LHB) would be: WATSON, MARSH, CLARKE, HUSSEY, PONTING, KHAWAJA, HADDIN, HAURITZ/JOHNSON depending on deck, HARRIS, CAMERON, COPELAND

  • varksp on December 8, 2010, 9:03 GMT

    Simple, just call back Shane Warne that s more than enough !

  • THX_droid_adidas on December 8, 2010, 9:03 GMT

    Cameron White definitely has to replace Marcus North! He has had so many opportunities, and is so inconsistent, that will never be funny!! If he doesn't replace North, then it's a joke to Victorian Cricket. Seriously, if the Vics beat England in the tour match and Cameron White makes a hundred and doesn't get picked, its a disgrace to Cricket Victoria! Bring back Nathan Hauritz, he's better than Doherty and is a good # 8. And bring back Mitchell Johnson!!

  • KC1977 on December 8, 2010, 8:51 GMT

    Selectors.....drop the entire bunch that played in Adelaide including Ponting. None of them are of any use. Call Warney back for another year or two, make him a captain and let a new bunch grow under his leadership. He still has got more left for Aussie cricket. Select a complete new team.

    Hughes, Finch, Khwaja, White, Fergusson, David Hussey, Tim Paine/Hartley/Manou, SHANE WARNE, Peter George, Copeland and Mark Cameron/Beer. Keep Hauritz and/or Steve Smith in the team as well so they can learn under Warne...

    SOS..............Aussie Selectors....................SOS

  • ACHILLES_FZX on December 8, 2010, 8:51 GMT

    North should be dropped he i much like a Ravindra Jadeja useless with both bat and ball and i think it will be much better option to replace him White

  • ygkd on December 8, 2010, 8:46 GMT

    It's one thing to like Steve Smith for his batting, but he's reached 50 just 9 times (in 20 First Class matches). Khawaja's got there 15 times in 26, Hughes 35 in 48 and Jacques 97 in 153. The Aus team needs some one to stick in. Is Smith that someone? He's a number 6, unorthodox type. Watson, the number 6 orthodox one, is opening. Why not just move Watson and get a proper opener. Someone with more experience than Smith would be a good idea. Someone who can play long innings. Someone who bats like Brad Hodge. Once upon a time you had to prove yourself. Now they're superstars for playing in the U19s, like Mitch Marsh. On second thoughts, lets just play Smith, Marsh etc, so the Poms can win 4-0 and then we can get back to the reality of experience does sometimes matter. If you want to call up someone new, why not Khawaja? At least he's got a double figures column of making a score.

  • Sezer101 on December 8, 2010, 8:45 GMT

    I dont see why nobody is throwing any victorian names around, Dirk Nannes bowls 150km and would make the english shit there pants. North can be dropped for Cameron White or Callum Fergurson. Hauritz needs to be in the team. As for the opening spot I think Marsh is good for it or even Chris Rodgers could come back into the team.

  • on December 8, 2010, 8:40 GMT

    Opener should be S. Marsh as he is been there @ WACA (his home ground) North should be replaced by any of Hodge Khwaja Ferguson and White The quicks can be selected form following McKAy, George, McDonald, Harris, Bracken,Hilfenhaus (i know that other than bracken no one is experienced but looking at current stat of the aussie pace battery i.e. shambles they should get a go) The spinner may be doherty or hauritz (Best option is to bring back dear warnie though.) Only Watson And Hussey have performed that well to get a spot. Punter can not be replaced and so is Haddin. for Pup, he is the protected species of aussie crickt.

    Fro WACA test my squad will be as follows 1:Marsh 2:Watson 3:Ponting 4:Clarke 5:Hussey 6:White(if 4 quicks)/Ferguson/Khwaja &:Haddin 8:Doherty/Hilfenhaus/McKay 9:Bracken 10:George 11:Harris

  • Donut_Davey on December 8, 2010, 8:21 GMT

    My left field call is Luke Butterworth of Tassie for the pace spot. I agree no front line spinner. charlzy_33

  • Aussieslover on December 8, 2010, 8:18 GMT

    The replacements that are needed to be made are obviously Katich for Hughes. I agree with all the people saying "if you don't have a quality spinner, then play 4 quicks. Let someone like Clarke bowl two-three overs. Four quicks should be Harris, Bollinger, Hilfy and Siddle maybe. The only remaining replacement is North for Khawaja or Ferguson. Bring Hussey to No.4 and Clarke to No.5.

  • stuartk319 on December 8, 2010, 8:18 GMT

    Hauritz should never have been dropped but I don't know that taking a spinner to Perth is necessary. Even Warne had an ordinary record there. Like England in the 90s; the batting is fair but the bowling is getting laughed at (Harris was respectable, though). Aus somehow need a bowler at the WACA that can strike a bit of fear back into Eng; so picking the fastest bowler with a decent Shield record this season isn't a bad idea. I hope they don't just change the side for the sake of it; look where that got England in the 90's!

  • MrJames on December 8, 2010, 8:15 GMT

    Hughes for Katich, White or Henriques (time to look for the future) for North, Johnson and Hilfenhaus back in for Bollinger and Siddle, and of course Hauritz for Doherty

  • Danizo on December 8, 2010, 8:13 GMT

    @ Gautham Va

    Bradley Hodge retired from first-class cricket a while back.

  • Beertjie on December 8, 2010, 8:12 GMT

    Ponting as the new Jardine with a plan hatched by Troy Cooley. Bring back Johnson at Perth to bowl knucke- line (just ask Graeme Smith how effective that is!). After removing the openers from the rest of the Ashes, his job is done! England might draw in Perth but without their skipper and their "Bradman", they'll be ready for taking at the MCG + the SCG provided Johnson is axed for these two tests. Steady pressure through McDonald + George, together with the new spin twins Hauritz + Smith in these last two tests (and a little help from the weather gods) may just see Aus achieve a miracle (Yeah, I here the cynics say, and pigs will fly!). Got any better ideas?

  • Mitcher on December 8, 2010, 7:56 GMT

    I'll leave the bowling alone as you might as well flip a coin and hope whoever plays reverses their form ridiculously. As for the batting, my theory is North is at home and since he'll be playing for his career, again, he'll no doubt hit a hundred. Then regardless of what happens drop him. The guy only scores when his place in the side depends on it.

  • Aussasinator on December 8, 2010, 7:21 GMT

    Clarke needs to come up at No. 3. That would give the Aussies the batting momentum up the order. Even then, Strauss, Cook & Trott with Pietersen to follow are an overwhelmingly superior combination to anything the Aussies can put up in contrast. Phil Hughes cannot play the rising ball, very much like his captain. He's an ODI & T20 prospect, like Marsh. Clearly, Australia doesnt have top class batsmen. As for bowling, they can only play around with the Johnsons & Bollingers, more out of hope than any strategy & conviction. When the absence of class is glaring, its better to accept the situation and think of rebuilding. The Oz will accept reality only when Ponting is shown the dorr.

  • on December 8, 2010, 7:12 GMT

    I think Australia should forget the Ashes and look for long term solutions. That means North does not, repeat, does not get another chance. Doherty was found wanting and maybe the English willl not massacre Haurtiz the way the Indians did.Pietersen and Bell are about the only two who are good players of spin and Pietersen may get arrogant and give his wicket away. Bollinger is unfit. Ryan harris and Hilfenhaus must play with Johnson, he is still an option. They must play Ferguson though I would not mind Khwaja. Whoever it is, has to be persisted with. Steve Smith must play and honestly I would prefer Shaun Marsh to Hughes, but Ponting seems to be sold on Hughes. But how long will the selectors be sold on Hughes. Why can"t Ponting step down from the captaincy and bat as a pure batsman for a year. It may just turn things around. Australia accept that this team is bad. Invest in the future instead of making quick fixes. sridhar

  • prasanth.kongati on December 8, 2010, 6:57 GMT

    I understand that Watson plays bit of aggressive cricket. But looking into modern era of test cricket, there are pretty aggressive openers like sewhag, dilshan, Gayle, McCullum. I see australia is lacking the same. It can not go traditional way to beat england because at the moment England is high in confidence. First beat them mentally then the game will be yours. I have also seen complacent England in the past many a times because with in no time England will become an ordinary team. England knows it better when they played with Pakistan recently.

    Coming to Selection, i dont have too many comments as I never dare to speak against Ponting's class and wonder if any other current aussie can match apart form Hussey. But bowling lacks fire and Douggy is as average as mitchel, Siddle needs luck. So aussie instead of worrying more on selection should attend some confidence building trainings to get the confidence back and attack from ball 1 of the match

  • on December 8, 2010, 6:52 GMT

    All these comments are so like what I read on Pakistan related articles. A merrygoround really. Players being recommended for no better reason than that they are currently out of the side. People forget averages and ages and get emotionally addled. The same players get thrashed by the same fans the moment they make their comeback, poor things, often after ages. It can be so funny when your own country isnt the concerned party. Atleast we can always hope for flukes, even when the team has gone to the dogs, and no one knows the meaning of that better than us. Australia is a different beast though. It is such a well-oiled machine it became positively robotic; the human element just got killed, only to return at this crucial juncture. It will take quite a bit of sorting out now.

  • SUNDOS on December 8, 2010, 6:29 GMT

    It's surprising that with all the names being bandied about,the great white hope Ferguson doesn't rate a mention.Axe North,bring in the young man,change the batting order to bat Hussey at No4,let Clarke drop down to 6,should his dodgy back allow it,let him bowl a few overs.Hauritz deserves another chance,there cupboard seems bare otherwise.The problem however is the lack of a credible pace bowling attack.Harris is not a" leader of the pack" kind of bowler.Neither is Siddle,What wouldn't the Aussies do for a McGrath.It was his metronomic accuracy that made the likes of Fleming,Gillespie,etc..look more dangerous.

  • charlzy_33 on December 8, 2010, 5:58 GMT

    This is starting to look like the poms of 20 years ago, giving out caps and changing the side every test. Hussey is looking good at 5 , and his record at 4 for Australia is dismal (he batted at 4 for most of that lean patch). No point for Australia to play a spinner next test, 4 quicks. When you havent got a test quality spinner dont play one. South Africa didnt have a quality spin bowler for years and they did alright with 4 quicks even in India!

  • Dockaman on December 8, 2010, 5:48 GMT

    Time for some changes. Hughes in for Katich. Whilst Marsh has had a good run of late, his previous Shield record is modest at best. Kwawaja in for North is a must. North saved his skin in India with a hundred, but besides that has done nothing for an age. We need youth in our batting line-up given the aging of our senior batsmen. If we don't have a decent spinner don't play one, let clarke roll his arm over. An extra quick has to be better than the pies other spinners have served up of late. Agree with Dockaman - finding a decent leg spinner is a must. And Murali throws it better than anyone in history.

  • lamecoolguy on December 8, 2010, 5:42 GMT

    Drop Doherty and bring back Hauritz. He is a pretty good spinner and should never have been dropped from the side to start with.

  • RJD9 on December 8, 2010, 5:19 GMT

    The man to replace North is already in the 11- Watson. Great player but regular unconverted 50's is not what you need from an opener. Imagine the samage he could do with more rest down the order + means he can bowl more. Drop him to 6 and bring Hughes AND Marsh in. LH openers are proven to be the best combination. I've not seen much of young George but agree, give him a shot. Its harder for quicks in India and he did ok there. Khawaja may need to wait until Hussey retires or Clarke gets teh flick (I don't like him as next captain btw). Huss did bat at 4 until they upped Clarke to get him ready for 3 when Ponting goes (don't like him there either). I like 4 quicks in Perth but if no North then they need a spinner. Watson can be a 4th quick if he bats at 6. Overhauls are needed!!

  • on December 8, 2010, 5:19 GMT

    Where the heack is Hodge???

  • MinusZero on December 8, 2010, 5:14 GMT

    Ponting still thinks North has great value in the team? What planet is he on! He has had enough chances. Australia are certainly not in a position to carry passengers if they are serious about winning.

  • on December 8, 2010, 5:09 GMT

    Why not bring in Khawaja? At least england will take couple of games to work him out and he might come out as much needed scoring source for Australia..

  • crazytaurean on December 8, 2010, 4:11 GMT

    Phil Hughes is the right choice. Perhaps Hussey should bat at #4, ahead of Clarke. Would also fancy picking Cameron White ahead of North. And please persist with Doherty or dont pick a spinner if the pitch is likewise. No need for chopping n changing in every department.

  • longdonkey on December 8, 2010, 4:02 GMT

    I don't understand all these panic merchants, mid-way through the last Test it looked like that we were going to be 1-0 in the series. As for the replacements Hughes is averaging 19 - Marsh should play. Assuming that Perth will be bouncy and fast I'd play 4 quicks Bollinger out Johnson in. Doherty out Hilfenhaus in. I would name another quick bowler a smokey. I would choose the guy from Shield cricket who is the quickest and pooh your pants scary with no thought of how long he's played. Cameron, Cassell maybe. Tait or Harwood if they weren't retired/injured would be perfect even better if its someone they've never seen before. Then I would play him in place of Siddle so your lineup would be Harris, Hilfenhaus, Mystery Man, Johnson with Watson and North as cover

  • madscientist001 on December 8, 2010, 3:58 GMT

    Australia is not going to win a single match if they don't make the necessary hard choices. The only bowler that should retain his place is Harris. North has to go and Clarke gave himself a lifeline with his second innings knock but he should be looking over his shoulder. Katich is unfortunate but that injury may be the end of his career. What has happened to Andrew McDonald? He can't possibly do worse than North. Make some hard choices, blood some new bowlers, for sure they can't do worse than this bunch. Recall Stuart Clark, at least he can hold a line and apply some pressure on the batmen, hell even Bracken will be a better choice, he may not get 6 wickets in an inning but I am sure he will pick up more than zero wickets in 54 overs. Australia also needs someone who can take it to the bowlers, Hussey has succeeded because of that, the others are too worried about their continuity in the team that they are forgetting that as batsmen runs are important. If they continue like this 3-0.

  • Australia17594 on December 8, 2010, 3:51 GMT

    funkybluesman YAY, somebody with a brain. Screw the oldies of Hodge and Clark bring in the YOUNG BLOOD NOW!!!

  • Dockaman on December 8, 2010, 3:50 GMT

    Snowflake - you are kidding. Agreed that Ponting did fail in this test, but so did most of the other batsmen, and our bowlers were pathetic. England showed us how to bowl on this sort of pitch i.e. keep it full around off stump and rely on some swing or cut to effect egdes. Our bowlers just don't seem to understand this.

  • Weloveyoucozyoureavictorian on December 8, 2010, 3:23 GMT

    What about Peter George? Why did they play him in India if not going to give him a go here? He averages 26 over his career at SA with 88 wickets! Him or Copeland to replace Doug the Rug. And also Krezja in for Doherty not Haurtitz. Also Andrew McDonald if his hand is mended is a better option than Usman Khawaja.

  • Don_The_Green on December 8, 2010, 3:07 GMT

    "Returning Hauritz would require a selection back-flip" - Yes it would. At least if the selectors did back-flip the egg might fall off their face. Australian Cricket needs to take a leaf out of Robbie Deans (Rugby) book. Rule #1: Select on form Rule #2: Names mean nothing Rule #3: Distant past performances mean nothing Get real Aussie selectors. Give some of the young cricketers a go. They couldn't do too much worse that the team in Adelaide.

  • triassicpark on December 8, 2010, 3:02 GMT

    @ Dockaman: I cant help but laugh when you take a poke at Murali. First of all this is not a forum to discuss that. Second of all Murali is a great. I know with my post here, I cannot change a biased mind like yours. But nevertheless other readers should not get influenced by your irresponsible comments. And coming ack to THIS topic, these are tough times for Aus. If Ponting continues to fail the team suffers. Bowling is what is hurting Aus at present.

  • adrian77 on December 8, 2010, 2:51 GMT

    epochery - Australia already have an opener in the middle order - Hussey. Bring him into Katch's position and put Khawaja into Hussey's position. North should be dropped too, but quite frankly there's no one available to replace him :-/

  • SnowSnake on December 8, 2010, 2:45 GMT

    I don't understand why some people are saying this loss was due to poor Australian bowlers and not because of Ponting. Ponting is solely to be blamed for this loss. If he would have scored his innings average then Australia would have drawned the test. Australia needed Ponting the most. He entirely failed and should be blamed for the loss. Not the bowlers who were given short notice to play the test. Not Hussey. Not Clarke. But, Ponting alone is responsible for this loss.

  • Australia17594 on December 8, 2010, 2:17 GMT

    @youngkeepersdad The reason why smith is mentioned is because he is the all rounder and better than North. Can bat and bowl. unlike North.

  • funkybluesman on December 8, 2010, 1:46 GMT

    Copeland has to come in. Enough of these older guys, this is a young fast bowler with 57 wickets at 18 in his still young state career. Possible also Mark Cameron. These are guys that move the ball around and take wickets, not just "hard tryers" like Siddle and co. That's what we need, a bit of skill with the ball.

    North has to go, I was saying that before the start of the series and he's done nothing to change that. Bring in Smith or Khawaja. And someone needs to really challenge Watson to go on and turn his 50s into big scores. He's got something like 14 50's and 2 hundreds in test cricket. As an opener, if you do the hard work and get through the new ball you really need to be cashing in more often and building big totals. If he can't do that then he needs to move down the order.

  • wiseshah on December 8, 2010, 1:39 GMT

    i would like to see usman khwaza in the team, he could be surprise pack

  • Dockaman on December 8, 2010, 1:32 GMT

    Unfortunately for Australia our 3 best Batsmen are all 35 years of age or older i.e. Ponting (who is in decline), Katich (out injured) and Hussey (just came back into form). If we don't make some changes to our top 6 now then when these guys do retire we will be terrible. North must go effective immediately, include Khawaja and tell him that his spot is safe for the remaining 3 tests. Same goes for Phil Hughes. Doherty would struggle to have an impact at Grade level. Find a crop of half decent Leggies take them to Dubai for 12 months and get them up to speed. Unless you are a genuine quality Offspinner like Swan or can throw it like Murali then they are not that effective at picking up regular bags of test wickets.

  • katwash on December 8, 2010, 1:09 GMT

    Ponting comes out in support of North, and says his best is still ahead of him. I cant believe he could possibly think that. England and all other cricket nations will be laughing their heads off at these statements, but wait, now they will bring back Hauritz and Johnson and that will be the final nail for this series.

  • Mad_Hamish on December 8, 2010, 0:45 GMT

    a) Ponting pretty much has to support whoever the selectors pick, his comments apparently came after a discussion with the selectors b) quite a few of the names mentioned above Lee, Tait, Nanness and Hodge have retired from first class cricket, Lee and Tait aren't fit enough for it (Tait is barely fit enough for a one dayer for chrissakes) Nanness might be fit enough but isn't practiced enough to play the distance. Hodge hasn't played a first class match in 12 months. c) Stuart Clark seems to have lost a lot of effectiveness since his injury problems in 2009, he averaged over 30 last Aus season and has 8 wickets so far this season at 28.75 d) Phil hughes is averaging under 20 in the Shield this summer. e) Jacques is averaging 22.88 in the shield this summer e) Steve Smith has 6 wickets so far this summer, 4 of them in 1 innings and averages 46 with the ball over his career.

    It's easy to bag the selectors but the next lot of quicks look pedestrian and the batsmen poor.

  • epochery on December 8, 2010, 0:28 GMT

    Personally I wouldn't write off Australia just yet. They have a side capable of big scores. The Katich injury makes things difficult as if Hughes comes in, it adds a bit if fragility to the batting lione up and he wont hang around too long and has been found out by English bowlers before. They need a solid opener to complement Watsons strokeplay. The other option would be to drop watson back down to number 6 in place of north and bring in two openers, a somewhat risky selection but would give the lower middle order better strength. Once upon a time you wouldnt take a spinner to Perth, Warne changed that, but I would go with Smith as opposed to Hauritz. Johnson should be recalled in favour of Bollinger.

  • flobas on December 8, 2010, 0:26 GMT

    As to the spin department. Action must be taken nationwide. For instance: mandatory inclusion of a specialist spinner in every playing team and a minimum number of spin overs specified in each innings. It is a pitty we still talk about Warne, beacause the real problem is that we do not even possess a Harris, a Swann or even a Benn.

  • AravindZ on December 8, 2010, 0:17 GMT

    @Laid, good satire..but hey, saffas make up half the eng team eh..aus should start recruiting internationally for their test team as well..ashes is becoming aus vs rest of the world.

  • Sanj747 on December 8, 2010, 0:05 GMT

    Just heard Ponting on the news saying that North still has value that he can provide. Herein lies the problem. Ponting one minute saying he doesn't want to be involvde with selections but making comments of this nature. Whilst I can understand the leader cannot publicly state a player is not the right choice for the team, his comments are just a bit too strong in support of a player that can't perform when it matters and age is also not on his side if the aussies are serious about long term development of the team. Sooner Ponting goes the better.

  • Andy199 on December 7, 2010, 23:55 GMT

    AUSTRALIANS HAVE FORGOTTEN THEIR RECIPE FOR VICTORY. THEY WERE UNBEATABLE WHEN THEY TRIED TO DOMINATE THE OPPONENTS AND DICTATED TERMS. THEY ARE STILL GETTING MORE THAN DECENT STARTS FROM KATICH AND WATSON, PONTING'S FORM IS THE MOST WORRYING FACTOR HERE. MAY BE HE COULD DROP DOWN THE ORDER & PLAY HUSSEY'S ROLE. #3 HAS TO BE ROCK SOLID AND WHEN THAT IS VULNERABLE THE SIDE IS IN TROUBLE.

    THEY DID NOT PLAN THEIR TRANSITION ALL THAT WELL AND THEY ARE PAYING A HEFTY PRICE FOR THAT. POOR PUNTER.. IF HE WAS A CPL YEARS OLDER HE WOULD HAVE RETIRED WITH OTHER GREATS TOO AND CLARKE WOULD HAVE FACED ALL THE MUSIC.

    WELL..ANYWAYS.. I DON'T KNOW IF THESE WINS REALLY COUNT.. YOU BEAT A FULL-POTENTIAL AUSTRALIA THEN ITS PRIDE, NOW ITS NO CONTEST.. WHAT FREDDY DID WAS SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF... BUT THIS IS BRUTAL.. AGAINST A VERY WEAK SIDE.. AUS BOWLING LACKS THAT McGRATH KINDA DISCIPLINE.. LIKE BATSMEN, BOWLERS LACK PATIENCE TOO.. LET'S SEE IF THEY STAND UP IN THE NEXT 3 TESTS.. I HOPE THEY DO.

  • powerash5000 on December 7, 2010, 23:40 GMT

    Players to include that have actually shown talent/potential as well as results are: O'Keefe spin bowling first class ave of 24 and batting average over 50 cannot get a game with NSW at the moment because Hauri and Smith are clogging the system with dead wood. When was the last time in Australia a domestic bowler averaged under 30 or even 40. Also was the standout V Eng. Hughes -he has the results despite being unorthodox and at least if he doesn't open he could murder the bowling in the middle order. Too much talent with too many results not to be given some security and a chance to develop without looking over his shoulder. Selections in the last 3 years have been erratic and irrational, this insecurity cannot be good for performance. David Hussey ave over 55 for more than 150matches compared to North first class ave 42 over the same time. More importantly Hussey wins matches.

  • LePom on December 7, 2010, 23:26 GMT

    Q: What would you call Monty Panesar if he played for Australia?

    A: A batting all rounder. ;)

  • bobagorof on December 7, 2010, 23:24 GMT

    I'm sure that other teams are happy to see Australia floundering after they dominated for a long period of time, and are now gloating that Australia has to make changes the way other teams have done when not performing. It seems that some poor selections are finally being exposed - North is far too inconsistent/variable to be a Test player, Siddle doesn't do much with the ball (he's always mentioned as being 'hard working', which is code for 'unspectacular'), Doherty is a one-day bowler and Ponting has been below par for a while. I'm not sure that Hughes has the form behind him to warrant coming in for Katich but he has been annointed next in line so it would seem a fait accompli. Copeland or George should be looked at as they have been in the wickets this season - George's height should be an asset in Perth. None of the spinners are setting the world on fire, except maybe O'Keefe, but at least Hauritz has some Test experience behind him. Smith isn't ready as a bowler yet.

  • HOMEBREW on December 7, 2010, 23:09 GMT

    Funny how most of the selections only really come from selectors who are biased to that state or best of buddies with them. If you look at the current Sheild records for batting & bowling, why arn't most of these young guys being blooded? When we were getting flogged over 20 years ago we blooded young guys into the team, sure they did'nt go that well first up, but they became a great side over the last 10 - 15 years.

    My side for the remaining 3 games would be: Hughes, S Marsh, Quiney, White (C), M Hussy (VC), Watson, Paine, McDonald, Smith, Swan, Copeland, Khawaja 12th man.

  • cenitin on December 7, 2010, 22:49 GMT

    contd ...Same is the case with Hauritz. Agree he is not a world class like Warne. But he was failed in Ind only where even the best spinner never performed up to there reputation. At this crucial time he needs some backing of his captain and what he got Doherty. A man will be more depressed to see who is repalcing him. Let Doherty performed in some of the Aus domestic games then only pick him. I am sure Dohearty was backed by Ponting only and thus selectors axed Hauritz. Ponting is also unwilling to given up pull shot. I remember in an series in Aus Sachin was out for 2-3 times while playing cover drive. What he did he played his next inning without a single cover drive and ended with 240 not out. That's the attitude. You are playing for your country not for himself. In the cricket you have to give respect to opposition, your form , your reflects, your age, and also to your team members. I still think Ponting should continue as a batsman only.

  • cenitin on December 7, 2010, 22:48 GMT

    When you are having team with gr8 players any ordinary captain looks good but the real test is how you are performing with limited resources. To be frank Ponting is one of the reson OZ is having limited resources in there line up. Agree likes of Langer, Hayde, S. Waugh , Martyn, Mcgrath , Warne get retired and any team can get effected by this but there is a list of players who are may be not as good as above ones but still very good one like Lee, Hodge, Nathan Bracken (in one day), Symmo, Mcdonald, Hughes, S Clark becomes disapperaed from the selection radar even when they were performing well. You can check stats of most of them but they were neglected and treated badly. Some of them took untimely retirement due to this. Ponting never stand for these palyers, he never urged to any player to comeback from there untimely retirements because he was seeing the alternate for them. Ponting is a egoistic man and never will build a team. ...contd

  • Iceborn999 on December 7, 2010, 22:36 GMT

    Hauritz has to come back into the side... there is no question.

  • THECOVERDRIVE on December 7, 2010, 22:36 GMT

    The aussie's are getting there's back and the world of cricket will be loving it. For a while now they have had it there way its there turn now to suffer, but them being how they are bad sports they will cry but they will get over it .....I love how they turn on themselfs very very funny. goodluck to England.....

  • montys_muse on December 7, 2010, 22:06 GMT

    Aussies would do well by bringing in specialist openers instead of a makeshift opener in Watson as he isnt able to convert his 50's into big hundreds which is expected of a top order batsman. That would also solve the no.6 issue.

  • manasvi_lingam on December 7, 2010, 21:59 GMT

    The solutions are many, the selectors just need to sit up and take notice. I can name at least 10 batsmen in Australia who are better than North and not in the team. I'm not an Ox-hater but I don't understand why North is being so many chances. In these days when everyone averages 50 and 60, his career average of 36 is very ordinary indeed. Here are 10 players who are more worthy than he is: P. Hughes, U. Khawaja, C. Ferguson, D. Hussey, B. Hodge, C. Rogers, C. White, S. Smith, M. Cosgrove, G. Bailey are all better than North. Some of them can bowl a bit as well such as Hodge, D. Hussey, White and Smith. And as for the bowlers they should given players like Butterworth and Faulkner a chance. And most importantly the talented duo of Trent Copeland and Mark Cameron of NSW a go. They are both in excellent form and are very good bowlers.

  • Esky on December 7, 2010, 21:56 GMT

    As an avid Australian supporter a few comments on our Cricket team. First of all SACK THE COACH. Neilson could not coach a marble team. Ever since he has taken over Australia have lost. Maybe Warnie could be a good part time coach. team for perth. Someone mentioned Shaun Marsh I think could be a good choice better than Hughes anyway. Ponting to go to number 5, Kawaja not sure maybe to 6 or White then he could be VC Hussey to 3 SACK north. Fast bowlers throw some coins in the air, sack doherty.

  • ygkd on December 7, 2010, 21:12 GMT

    Steve Smith again getting a mention. Sure he took 4 wickets against SAus (who've hardly set the world alight with their batting this season) but he went for 4.4 rpo. If you'll pick him on that performance, why not Krejza or MacGain?

  • on December 7, 2010, 20:39 GMT

    Speaking as an England and avid cricket supporter... maybe the Oz selectors should take this team aside and give then a dose of Duncan Fletcher's medicine ... " You guys balls it up... now go out and put it right". If they do that in the next test... it levels the series... If they don't, Oz aren't going to win the Ashes anyway so they can then start to rebuild and experiment with some new talent. It would ridiculous to make wholesale changes at this stage...Just think of the boost it would give England to see the Oz selectors suddenly publicly admitting that perhaps their best 11 isn't their best 11 after all.

  • PlayingItStraight on December 7, 2010, 20:38 GMT

    Pity to see one of the best fighters in the Aussie team get injured - well played Simon Katich and can't wait to see you back soon. Phil Hughes seems to be next in line for an opening spot so will probably get the nod to replace Katich. If the selectors actually make any other changes (on past form not very likely), North has to go and should be replaced by an allrounder such as A.McDonald or D.Christian. As for spinners, no one seems to be knocking the door down in state cricket at the moment - maybe give Steve Smith the gig to strengthen our batting. Don't be surprised if Katich is the only change though!

  • on December 7, 2010, 20:37 GMT

    Great performance from England ! Now comes the greatest challenge for the once greatest team. If Ponting and his co's are up to the task this could be their greatest announcement of supremacy in cricket field. .. Every team loses or performs under par, only some teams believe and get ready for the dog fight to come out successful. Australia is one such team. This is a nicely scripted Ashes for the an Australian resurgence. . ..

  • Philip_Gnana on December 7, 2010, 20:34 GMT

    This fact and makes very sad reading. You wonder if it is really the OZ we reading about or the West Indies after their hay days or even Zimbabwe. Truth hurts. The greate Aussies now struggling to get a team together. Even if the OZ had lost their No 1 spot for sometime now, they were the team to beat. Not anymore, Not anymore. England have been there and are no more in that zone. Hughes has shown his potential, Hauritz does he have to prove himself? The same goes for North. Come on selectors give these guys a break as they need to play. Johnson, who would have thought that he would be struggling to make the team? Should have never been dropped. If you got things wrong, hold your hands up and get him back. He will deliver. As for England...it is England all the way. Well done England. As for the Oz you now know how it feels to have the boot in the wrong foot. England stuck with a squad and kept their faith in the team unlike in the past. Philip Gnana, Surrey

  • on December 7, 2010, 20:29 GMT

    16 of 30 possible wickets? Generous spin indeed - 16 of 40 would be the truth. If they'd managed a few more first dig they might have earned themselves a shot at the other ten.

  • on December 7, 2010, 20:26 GMT

    Captaincy should come from out of the team not Clarke...that would be a step backwards

  • hatrick26 on December 7, 2010, 20:25 GMT

    I am not sure why Hauritz was dropped in the first place. Not that he would have made any difference in Adelaide but an overseas spinner having a bad tour against India is not the end of the world.All time great spinners have failed here against Indian bats. He could have been there in Gabba and pick up some wickets to get his confidence up.

  • on December 7, 2010, 20:11 GMT

    WACA team - Watson, Hughes, Ponting, Clarke, Hussey, McDonald, Haddin, Johnson, Hauritz, Harris, Siddle

  • ScriptWriter on December 7, 2010, 19:59 GMT

    I suppose this was inevitable. Greg Chappel screwed India over when he was the coach, and is leaving no stone unturned to screw the Aussies when he is their selector. Well done!

  • calcric on December 7, 2010, 19:46 GMT

    no matter what changes they make they will still lose. i was so happy to see the panic after the first test.. chop and change.. i remember they say when doughie comes in and mitchell johnson left out things would be better.. it did not turn out that way... now they talkin bout more changes.. what a joke..hahahahahah.. i saw this b4 with theWindies..hahahaha. ponting you is not no Lara... yuh will struggle this whole series welcome to pressure Mr. ponting lets see how you deal with it......... and it ent looking good so far ..hahahahahahahah....keep making changes.... it will never work....... and these commentators with the exception of the great Mr.rcihie Benaud the rest just wallowing in past glory and not looking at the game...Australia in ah messy mess...man ah mena look at it yuh cant bowl out England...nah man.......

  • Ozcricketwriter on December 7, 2010, 19:43 GMT

    Idiotic to play a spinner at Perth. My XI: Jaques, Hughes, Ponting, Watson, M Clarke, M Hussey, Haddin, Lee, R Harris, McKay, Clark.

  • flobas on December 7, 2010, 19:38 GMT

    Autsralia selectors made a crucial mistake during the last ashes series The forgot that they had a new team in their hands (hughes, mc donald, hilfi, siddle, etc) that would be very normal to have ups and downs Remember how that team dominated SA away. So instead of persisting with that mix of players, expecting them to grow as a team in a couple of years time, they started axing players (hughes) or put a huge burden on others (johnson, north etc). As a result Hughes and Johnson for instance lost total confidence on themselves, while all the others play with so much stress that it is impossible to perform Take the other teams as an example on how the persisted with the young players the believed in, no matter what their performances at the beginning were: SA with Amla, De Villiers or Morkel bros. England with Cook, Anderson, Bel etc. The solution to me is simple: look to the future. Call the young pleyers you believe, in, keep a couple of experienced ones and let the team develop

  • audacious on December 7, 2010, 19:21 GMT

    Where is Jason Kreza? Bring him back. White should play in place of North and Hughes in place of Katich. I am sure Aussies will make it 1-1 in Perth.

  • teledu on December 7, 2010, 19:13 GMT

    David Hussey in for Marcus North, Hauritz in for Doherty and i think peter George deserves a go. Looks like Phil Hughes is already picked

  • on December 7, 2010, 19:02 GMT

    Brett Lee and Shaun Tait would do themselves and Australia a huge favor if they came out of their exiles to play test cricket. If not, may be we should call back Glenn Mcgrarth and Shane Warne.

  • gmoturu1 on December 7, 2010, 18:44 GMT

    i guess Ponting should be axed. he averaged a mere 42 from his last 43 matches. he is now a totally ordinary batsman. or may be the captaincy should be given to other player (definitely not Clarke) to take some pressure off him. i wonder what happened to Stuart Clarke. oh 1 question. when was the last time Australia did not win a test in 5 matches. i guess the number keeps goes up.

  • xylo on December 7, 2010, 18:29 GMT

    It would be a brave decision if Ponting decides to skip the next match and let someone else, say Hussey, captain the side. A misfiring Ponting is not just affecting him, but his team's morale. And I am sure he will make it count when he returns for the next test.

  • on December 7, 2010, 18:19 GMT

    usman khawaja shoaud play in place of katich

  • on December 7, 2010, 18:17 GMT

    How come this situation has araise when Aus boasts of a great foundation at lower levels..they dont have one good spinner or fast bowler...this is not a good sign...will they be able to defend their WC title...

  • on December 7, 2010, 18:03 GMT

    IN: Hughes, White, Smith, Hauritz, Copeland OUT: Katich, Clarke, North, Doherty, Bollinger => This will give very good balance to Aussies

    If Clarke has super support then - WHITE will WAIT.

    Don't know why ppl are behind kavvaja .. he has failed in last few innings... enough to keep him away

  • SRT_GENIUS on December 7, 2010, 18:01 GMT

    Common Patrick, DOugie was so good in IPL!... *chuckle*

  • Laird on December 7, 2010, 17:44 GMT

    As an unexpectantly proud Brit, here is my message to the Aussie selectors: Thanks - Doherty was a wonderful early Christmas gift; the way he just kept a steady and hitable pace going for 75 overs was a sterling example of stamina. Please keep him in for the next test. Don't bring back Hauritz cos he's not too shabby. Also please keep Micheal Clarke in the team and definitely let him take over as skipper. He has shown the mental fragility and tactical innocence that we have been hoping would be seen in an Australian captain for a long time. I am glad you agree that there is only room for one Hussey in the team, can't have 2 skilled battlers in the middle order, it might make Swanny look bad. One last thing, keep Dirk Nannes out of every Australian team - I quite enjoy watching him bowl well on flat IPL wickets so I don't want him to get injured playing against England. Thanks again, keep up the good work

  • D.Nagarajan on December 7, 2010, 17:17 GMT

    Following should be the changes for Perth in the Aussie side- Hughes for Katich, Johnson for Bollinger (hoping Johnson comes good), White for North(White deserves a run, he may match KP on his day), Hauritz for Doherty (no other choice really). Siddle should be given another chance as its WACA(plus at least he isnt 30 plus).For England just a forced change Tremlett for Broad. Tempted for Bresnan but I think the top order is in quite decent form and can make the runs themselves!!! England's batting has been one to behold, thanks to the weak Aussie bowling only to some extent. Aussies are first "Cooked" then Pietersen enjoys the meal, the at the last serving the "Bell" rings at the end the meal "Swann" has a party. If Aussies lose the series, its back to the old Simpson youth model of 1986 to rebuild which would be the best thing to happen for them.

  • swervin on December 7, 2010, 17:16 GMT

    while aust's batting was the main problem - strauss did have the advantage of being able to bowl swann basically all day because he was tight and getting wickets on a flat deck - the problem for ponting is he couldn't bowl doherty for long spells without him going for plenty - i think while hauritz may not be ideal choice he would have at least been tighter than doherty and taken more wickets - he is a good cricketer - it is just hard for an orthodox spinner to consistently take wickets (which is why swann has been extraordinary)...perth may not matter but aust better off sticking with hauritz but if they don't they need to pick a legspinner they can develop and stick with - maybe smith desite some doubts - aust tail looked long too versus england's - at least smith is good for some runs too..stick with harris and maybe bring back johnson and hilfenhaus for siddle/bollinger, north has to go too ..re batting the fact is phil hughes has excellent first class record and will come good

  • beakyjonjo on December 7, 2010, 17:09 GMT

    Very simple...North has to go..We have great depth in our batting so why waste a spot with a player who has repeatedly failed when needed??Perth is not a place for spinners..I'd be playing four quicks and Watson. My team Jacques Watson Ponting Clarke M. Hussey D Hussey Haddin Harris Hilfy Bollinger and George or Copeland. The perth wicket is fast and bouncy and george or copeland as tall men can exploit that bounce. David hussey is a fighter like his brother has great experience in England and can bowl if necessary. Usman might be great..but this is not the time to blood him. Dougie has been our best bowler over the last 12 months and deserves another chance. Hilfy's acurate swing is perfect for the freo doctor and all four generally bowl tidily. I'd trust Jaques over hughes due to his experience in England

  • on December 7, 2010, 16:42 GMT

    Doesn't this result show how ridiculous the ICC were in naming Bollinger and Harris as candidates for ICC Player Of The Year ahead of Swann, Anderson and Broad? The gulf in class and results between the two bowling attacks is enormous.

  • Rupesh1981 on December 7, 2010, 16:15 GMT

    No Matter we all say or talk about Australian Team, I am sure that they will come back fighting.. Conceding defeat is not there in their attitude. And moreover this match is happening in Australia. I am damn sure that Australia would fight back and in great fashion at WACA.

  • kejhume on December 7, 2010, 15:19 GMT

    We've overlooked so many options! Luke Butterworth for example is averaging 17 with the ball this year, and has made handy runs for Tasmania in the lower order. Also has an overall average of 26 with the ball, so he's no mug.

    Also Australian selectors don't persist with Bowlers as much as batsmen. Last Batsman i can think of they haven't even bothered with is Chris Rogers. He was extremely unlucky to not get looked at. Phil Jacques is another. Xavier Doherty needs to be persisted with, yeah he got spanked, but what spinner hasn't in one game or another. The selectors are getting desperate to take 20 wickets, but we need to persist with out bowlers. Next line-up will most likely be Hilfenhaus, Harris and Siddle, and Hauritz will most likely take Xaviers spot. We're not going to win a game or a series with an unsettled side.

    3-0 England for me at this stage.

  • Guernica on December 7, 2010, 15:19 GMT

    I've noticed a few people have been suggesting Phil Jacques? I don't know how he has been doing in the Sheffield Shield but isn't this the guy who got something like 5 consecutive ducks for Worcestershire in the English 2nd division last summer? Another one who is the wrong side of 30 too. Get him in, I say (but then I'm English).

  • ihaq1 on December 7, 2010, 15:11 GMT

    i think josh has been seen and isnt that great...australia could give tryouts to two new bowlers and than try to win the last two tests...i suggest that they try okeefe in perth...he has been successful against england and pakistan...they should study ricky and clarkes recent record ...they barely save their spots...one would suggest that australia go with an extra batsman rather than an alrounder...play ricky at five and try hussey the most reliable at three...at six play a good batsman and four bowlers...three pacemen and a spinner or four pacemen...australia should try all their talent at perth and than prepare their team for the last two tests...callum is dependable and so is usman...they could try jacques, hughes, christian, cameron...bring in a new captain i say ricky ponting does not know how to play against england and is way past his retirement

  • on December 7, 2010, 15:03 GMT

    I am ready to select a team for Aussies.......... Philiph Jacques, Philiph Huges, Michael Klinger, Cameron White, Michael Hussy, Brad Haddin, AB Mcdonald, Nathan Hauritz, Mitchel Johnson, Ryan Harris and Trent Copeland.

  • on December 7, 2010, 14:50 GMT

    this is my team for perth. Inform wa player marsh, hughes, watson, ponting, hussey, smith, haddin, johnson, harris, hauritz, copeland. 12th man hilfy. I think its time ponting drops down the order at least 1 spot. watto could be a good counter attacking batsman at 3. i dont like marsh's 1st class average but is in wonderful form, hughes isnt in the best form but his talent is there. Clarke is dropped along with north. Smith comes in and give some attacking batting, excellent fielding and handy bowling in particular the 5th day. Johnson comes back only if he is bowling up towards 150km and gets some mongrel in his game. I bring back hauritz but keeping an eye on cam boyce and steve o'keefe for future. Copeland is a wicket taker and has to be brought into the team. Harris does a good job as a 2nd or 3rd bowler and watto bowls well also. I have khawaja knocking on the door and wouldnt rule out the experienced dave hussey.

  • on December 7, 2010, 14:37 GMT

    Aussies were damaged by Pakistan win, this year. That started a psychological downslide. Though I still believe they can come hard on England ! Aussies for Ashes

  • diri on December 7, 2010, 14:15 GMT

    jd4ever India will be destroyed in SA soon....and those rankings will change haha

  • TheLoneStranger on December 7, 2010, 14:09 GMT

    Surely Phil Jaques should be considered and, just as surely, the selectors have to order Ponting to drop to number 5, rissole North altogether, and play Hussey at 6. Bring Hughes AND Jaques in with Watson and bat them at 1,2, and 3, in whatever order they feel most comfortable with. As for dropping Bollinger; ridiculous! He has been far and away our best bowler for 12 months and averages 10 runs per wicket LESS than Siddle. So he "hit the wall". So he needs MORE work, not less. He's a good bowler, not a hack. Keep him in the side!

  • westindiancanadian on December 7, 2010, 14:07 GMT

    As a West Indian with fond memories of the '70's and '80's, the writing was on the wall when Greenidge then Haynes then Gomes then Marshall then ambrose then Walsh then Richards then.......... Australia is now facing that inevitable decline and it started When Gilly left. West Indies all of a sudden became beatable on any wicket and that is what teams now see in the Aussies. They are beatable and all test nations want to "assist" in that slide down the ladder. Cheer up Aussie fans and take it from experience when I say memories is all you will have for a few decades.

  • hoarder on December 7, 2010, 13:59 GMT

    It is about time both Clarke and Pontng's positions are reviewed. Both have hardly performed over the last twelve months and are definitely NOT clearly better than North. Maybe all three should go. As for Captain - Ponting has failed, Clarke is untried and out of form - why not put in a successful State Captain, I am certain there are a couple that could fit the bill and would rise to the occasion. As for the selectors - stop looking after your mates. These are highly paid (by the public) professional cricketers - they don't perform then they should be out. Select the best not the mates. Possibly a problem with have ex-players as selectors?

  • on December 7, 2010, 13:53 GMT

    Katich -- out through injury. Sack North, Bollinger & Doherty -sorry. Michael Clarke's 80 in Adelaide just saves him. Replacements: Philip Hughes for Simon Katich. Hughes had a bad patch last time against England but apart from that is a talented, proven performer. Steven Smith for Marcus North. No spinner finds the going easy at Perth. If any sort are a chance of snaring the odd wicket it's a leggie. Steven Smith is the best in Australia presently. His batting is good, *potentially* great and fielding is top notch. Dan Christian for Xavier Doherty. An extra seamer who also bats and can bowl into the wind at Perth. Very good fieldsman. Very much in form. Josh Hazlewood for Bollinger. Doug is a good bowler who hasn't produced recently through injury. Hazlewood is a *bolter*, but he's express, has height & the poms have never seen him. Becasue of all that he *should* do well on the WACA wicket and he has "X" factor written all over him.

    Result: Batting and bowling strengthened !

  • masterblaster1971 on December 7, 2010, 13:42 GMT

    Australia are clutching at straws and are doing more turn arounds than an out of control merry go round. One minute the man is Bollinger, the next it's Johnson. The simple fact of the matter is England are better in all facits of the game. Australia are going to pull the preverbial rabbit out of the hat to save this series because right now, it's all England.

  • Point4 on December 7, 2010, 13:41 GMT

    Despite all the flak Aus team and selectors are getting now it may still be a bit premature to gather the 'ashes' of Aus cricket(ref:Ian Chappel's comment), BUT there is a dangerous element of unpredictability which has crept into Auss test performance in the last 2-3 seasons. for eg they were unfortunate to not win a test match in India against all odds and look at their performance at HOME now.2008/09 they lost to SA against all odds at home and beat them again unexpectedly during the away tour.This is usually associated with sub continental teams esp Pakistan who depend mainly on individual brilliance rather than well oiled professional team work for which Aus cricket is known for.this unpredictability in Aus performance definitely needs to be noted by the concerned and rectifying that problem may bring back winning ways/consistent performance/typical AUS cricket back to the baggy green cap wearers....

  • on December 7, 2010, 13:35 GMT

    I THINK no questoin 4 ponting. Dont 4get it he is best CAPTAIN in the world EVER I think north,doherty,& also bollinger OUt In must B Cameron White,Huges, hauritz, & also TAIT then play must australia come back

  • on December 7, 2010, 13:30 GMT

    4 Bowlers for Perth will make Australia Win the Perth Test and go all out at England in Melbourne and Sydney..

    4 fast men - Johnson, Hilfy, Harris and Bollinger or Siddle.. and Have Watson and Clarke can bowl some bowling if these men get tired.. Just to keep North in for one more match in his Home turf and have a go at the England.. Just have the confidence and courage and attitude which put the aussies on top the table is what most required right now..

  • on December 7, 2010, 13:27 GMT

    please selectors......drop north and select usman khawaja

  • hypocrite on December 7, 2010, 13:17 GMT

    Its really sad to see the plight of Australians at this juncture...I grew up watching them massacre teams that come across their way...What bloody selection is this?? Marcus North doesn't even fit in Bangla team,,what's he doing in at No.6 for Aussies? Are there no more players available in the country?Where's that Hodge who goes on scoring centuries in domestic matches??Where's Hussey jr?Where's White??I'm sry to say but all international teams will be happy to have as Clarke as your future captain given how friendly and submissive he is!

  • on December 7, 2010, 13:06 GMT

    Problem with Australia is their bowlers. They are not firing. Current lot of bowlers are just not good enough. Tragedy is when they were dominating, most of their bench strength bowlers were very good, but they too retired with other Legends. Even a spinner from any bottom ranked country is more intimidating then the friendly and smiley pacers of Australia. There is no fire in body language. Youngsters who are said to be future replacements Starc, Hazzlewood, Hastings, Mckay are pretty average. They need a spark like Brett Lee did when he debuted. Some one with express pace, who can intimidate batsman.

  • gulaboft on December 7, 2010, 13:02 GMT

    Phillip Hughes is averaging 19.67 in current Sheffield Sheild and he averaged 17 in his county matches ths year after 11 matches. On the other hand Khawaja is averaging 71 in current Sheffield Sheild and also holding the top scorer position in Sheffield Shield with 431 runs versus Hughes 118 after four matches. Beats me all ends up how could anyone backup Hughes with those figures comparison, is it out of ignorance or arrogance?

  • Salim_123 on December 7, 2010, 12:51 GMT

    I agree with Altaf Lodhi. It is not the end of the world. I remember sometime ago Australia lost the first test in England and went on to win the seriies. But we need new blood now if we are to rebuild the team. I also feel the CA should make not only changes in the team but also selection committee. We should replace Katch with Philip Hughes and bring Usman Khawaja for North, Hauritz for Doherty. At the same time look at the stock of good fast bowlers and see how we can slowly groom them. Can't we produce a good spinner for heaven sake?

  • VEGHA on December 7, 2010, 12:50 GMT

    It is India who started the slide for Australia and now they are in hopeless situation.I think Ricky is running out of ideas and better Michel Clarke must take over.Pontng must concentrate on his batting and this will improve his average also. I think he is running out of energy and he could not concentrate

  • on December 7, 2010, 12:26 GMT

    Aussies should be thinking about keeping things simple, get north out and get craig white in. he can bowl i guess.And phil hughes in place of katich. Have confidence in the bowling line up. If possible get a 4th pacer for Perth,because lets face it no aussie spinner is good. You have clarke and white for part time spin.they can bowl 20 of the 90 overs in a day. Hilfy is the best choice for the 4th pacer Play some old clips of famous Oz wins.Get their spirits back. Win the perth test, draw at melbourne and go all out at sydney. As a neutral i hate to see one sided contests!! besides this Ind-NZ series is boring me to death!!!

  • 1976aarons on December 7, 2010, 12:26 GMT

    You HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING Peter!!! North must be replaced - the guy struggles to bat at this level and he bowling is ordinary. So must Doherty - he has not proven anything in Shield cricket, let alone Test Cricket. Easy changes - drop North for Usman and drop Doherty for Haritz. Katich can be replaced by Phil Hughes - though your suggestion that because he made runs in One Day Cricket he should be selected fot a Test Match in itself is ludicrious - two different games. The only ones that are certainties from the first 2 tests are: Hussey, Harris, Haddin, Watson. As for Dougie, he put in the hard yards in 35deg heat - that is why he slowed down.

  • on December 7, 2010, 12:25 GMT

    Australia needs some new blood to strengthen their middle order, Usman Khawaja and the recall of Hauritz to boost their bowling.

  • Samdanh on December 7, 2010, 12:17 GMT

    Aus selectors' arrogance in dropping Hayden, Symonds and Stuart Clark is making Aus Cricket team and Aus Cricket pay. Except for most of the greats who retired voluntarily, Hayden, and Symonds got dropped unceremoniously and arrogantly before they decided to not play for Aus again. Those two and Stuart Clark would have had at least 2-3 more years of ther career during which a blend of experience and youth would have helped. Even now, it is not too late to bring in Stuart Clark who is a mean bowler like Glenn McGrath. He can not only keep things quite but add pressure and take wickets as well. Hayden and Symonds could single handedly turn a match on its head. However, now that they have gone, let Aus bring in atleast Stuart Clark to blend youth with experience.No other country would have been as arrogant as Aus to drop players like Hayden and Symonds, and not have Stuart Clark in the team. Arrogance of couple of individuals is unfortunately making the Aus team and Aus cricket pay dearly

  • Cybertox on December 7, 2010, 12:08 GMT

    @journs: Actually, I think it's Peter English(the guy who wrote this) who said that.... considering the fact that it's not in "inverted commas".

  • Go_F.Alonso on December 7, 2010, 12:08 GMT

    Is there a 'BRING STUART CLARK BACK' page on facebook? Also featuring in the bring back lists are NATHAN BRACKEN AND HAURITZ. What a difference that would make!! There's control, swing, spin and more importantly wicket-taking ability. What else are the selectors after? Incidentally, all 3 give out the 'Nicest Guy' vibes.

  • on December 7, 2010, 11:40 GMT

    Why is it such a surprise that Oz cricket is in its current state. It's natural that some sides who are routinely beaten are going to work that much harder at trying to improve, whereas the top dogs perhaps tend to rest on their laurels. Moreover, the more settled a team is whilst it's winning, the less incentive there is to change it. Consequently the gap closes and eventually power changes hands. As the song has it.... "Nothing lasts forever".. But remember, there's always "Things can only get better".

  • Herbet on December 7, 2010, 11:39 GMT

    Quazar - I hope Bollinger and Johnson play too, think of those footmarks, just think of it for a bit. Lovely.

  • jd4ever on December 7, 2010, 11:37 GMT

    the g8 solution for australia is to retain same elevan.....bcoz if more new boys in the elevan and if they also fail....then what cricket australia do....so giveall of them one more chance in perth.bcoz perth is very fast pitch...anything possible on this wicket..i think australia should operate four fast bowlers and one part time bowler...their bowling line up.ex...johnson,harris,siddle,hiffn,,,,,,,and part timer watson,clark and north....i think this is the best for aussie...always change is not solution..

  • ravi_hari on December 7, 2010, 11:34 GMT

    For the first time in over a decade Aussies are reacting to non-performance. They must realise that the team of today is not even a shadow of the earlier successful team. It is mandatory that changes are made after such a huge loss. But do they have enough choices. The way the seniors have got stuck in the team for long, they did not have the choice to expose prospects to international cricket. T20s have not helped either. The one thing Aussies must realise is that they have lost the sting once they stopped being aggressive. They look more like teams from Bangaldesh and Zimbabwe who only go through their motions without reactions. So Aussies should bring in people with aggressive outlook. Hughes, White, Lee, Ferguson, Tait, George, Warner, Symmonds are the ones who have shown aggression on field. Can Aussies look at any of them for tests? If they fall back on the already tested guys, they might end the series 0-3. Pick attitude first and then the player. Can they do it? Hari Ravi

  • JohnFH on December 7, 2010, 11:31 GMT

    The first one to go should be Neilson, how many games have we won with him at the helm. I would think that our last meaningful win was under John Buchanan. No matter that Shane Warne can't stand him, his record stands up well. I'm personally sick of hearing about our so called champions now being retired, we have the players, it's just that Ponting can't Captain and Neilson can't coach. I feel sorry for the selectors, but they now need some balls, sack Ponting as Captain and put him in at five or six (where he will make mountains of runs) and get a decent coach who knows what's going on. It's obvious that the team doesn't gel under Ponting or Neilson, patently obvious and everyone in power is pussy footing around not wanting to upset Ponting. Well if he can't take being demoted as captain and batting at 5 then he has to go too. I hope we don't need to see another test without any direction. White as captain at 6 with 4 and 5 up one, then things already look a lot better.

  • Herbet on December 7, 2010, 11:31 GMT

    Is it just me or has Brad Hodge not retired? Lets forget the bowling for a minute and paint a little picture for a moment. Hughes, Jaques, Ponting, Clarke, Michael Hussey, Watson, Haddin, Johnson, Hauritz. That is not a top 9 I would be relishing playing against on a batting wicket. Forget Khawaja, Ferguson et al, this is not the time to be pratting around trying to bed inexperiended players in. Experience is needed. Apart from the middle order batsmen I have named next in line should be David Hussey. Thats a batting line up which, when it has its head screwed on, would be a match for those of England and South Africa, if not quite India's.

  • jd4ever on December 7, 2010, 11:28 GMT

    hey diri india dominate world cricket right ...........currently no 1 test team in the world and no 2 in ODI....

  • Herbet on December 7, 2010, 11:22 GMT

    A pom view: I still cant believe Hughes was dropped (in 2009) so I think its only fair he comes back in. Every time I have seen him, bar those two tests over here in 2009, he has looked a class act. Watson for me is not an opener, he has solid technique, but he is a leg before candidate when its swinging and deosn't seem to have the concentration for the big knocks. I dont know what Phil Jaques has done wrong but I'd bring him in too. Watson can go down to six where his strokeplay and temprament is more suited, replacing North. Ponting, Clarke and Hussey are all good enough to get in any current test team and form as good a middle order as anybody's. Its the bowling where the issues are. Siddle, Bollinger and Doherty are not test class. I'd go for Johnson (back on his home patch), Hauritz (no other choice), Harris (looked pacey) and Hilfenhaus who was dropped for reasons beyond my comprehension. If Shaun Tait is fit then I'd put him in for Harris. His sheer pace can unettle anyone.

  • KarachiKid on December 7, 2010, 11:17 GMT

    Yes why can't Aussies consider champions like Brad Hodge and Stuart Clark ? are they too embarrassed to bring in people who in their moment of fat-ego thought would never ever be needed in Aussy setup ?

  • arnavred on December 7, 2010, 11:12 GMT

    somebody forgot India is also playing better ckt now along SA. Infact better than the safari.that's y they r at no.1. some people think that they r lucky to get get,but am sry for those and tell them tht they deserve to be no.1. As far as i am concerned, xavier,siddle,doug should get a chance.they earned that.even though Mr.Hit or Miss North getting chances,y shouldn't they get?...anyways cograts Eng,u deserved it..

  • Australia17594 on December 7, 2010, 11:12 GMT

    Stop blaming Ricky Ponting. Team Effort, not one man team. Stop mentioning people over 30. THEY ARE NO USE TO US. We need young people. COPELAND. Why are people even mentioning Ferguson? Good in ODIs but not First Class at all. Like Doherty... We need young people like COPELAND. Tight, Consistent and faster wickets than mcgrath and lee

  • on December 7, 2010, 11:08 GMT

    Why don't Australia think of Shaun Tait or Dirk Nannes. And what's the point of playing a spinner if you don't have a good one? Go for 4 fast bowlers at Perth.

  • Something_Witty on December 7, 2010, 11:06 GMT

    If North plays in Perth I doubt there will be a hair on my head that hasn't been torn out in frustration.

  • Tigg on December 7, 2010, 10:56 GMT

    If I was an Australian selector my side for the next test would be:

    Watson, Marsh/Jaques, Ponting, Clarke, Hussey, Smith, Haddin, Hauritz, Harris, Hilfenhaus, Ferguson. With Bollinger and Siddle as backup pacemen and Khawaja as backup batsmen.

    I wouldn't pick Hughes. Our bowlers have his number up.

    Come on England!

  • on December 7, 2010, 10:52 GMT

    1. watson 2. hughes 3. ponting 4 clarke 5 hussey 6 khwaja 7 haddin 8 johnson 9 hauritz 10 hilfy 11 haris.......or bret lee in place of hilfy or johnson......

  • on December 7, 2010, 10:51 GMT

    To Great_Nate I think the reason Stuart Clark is overlooked is because of his mental fragility and I read he had to have counselling because of it.

  • diri on December 7, 2010, 10:37 GMT

    Man!!! When are AUS going to play SA again????? Imagine the thumping they are going to get from SA who are now the best side in the world and who should dominate the way AUS did..

  • journs on December 7, 2010, 10:35 GMT

    Pathetic performance from ponting and company...its time to go for complete overall...unfortunately after facing such a big loss Ricky Ponting is still not positive enough to generate confidence in his team. Ponting has said that if England continue to fire, any Australian changes are unlikely to have anything more than a cosmetic effect. Such statements rarely come from an australian leader. Probably its time to change the complete aussie combination.

  • unregisteredalien on December 7, 2010, 10:33 GMT

    What bothers me the most is that Ponting seems to have so much say in team selection. The selectors should be making objective and impartial assessments of the best team to represent Australia, and it should be Ponting's job as captain to work with what he's given. As it is, we have a special boys' club where they constantly reassure each other they're at the top of their respective games to the point where reality is being denied. All of this becomes glaringly obvious when Ponting says "pick Hughes, we know what his test record is like" whereas in reality (as Tim Rae suggests) Shaun Marsh would be a much more sensible pick right now. (PS. Khawaja for North, Hauritz or O'Keefe for Doherty.)

  • popcorn on December 7, 2010, 10:23 GMT

    Phil Hughes should replace the injured Simon Katich. Usman Khwaja should replace the undependable Marcus North at Number 6. Nathan Hauritz should replace the can't bowl,can't field,can't throw Xavier Doherty. Ben Hilfenhaus should replace the "I'll huff, and I'll puff, and I'll blow the house down" Dougie Bollinger. Perth, the Freemantle Doctor will assist Hilfy's swing. Just as England came back stongly after the First Test loss in The Ashes 2005, to win the series 2 -1, I predict the never -say -die , hate -to -lose spirit of the Aussies will see Australia win at least 2 of the next three games and draw one, or win the next three games,and win the series 2 -1, or 3 -1.

  • StarveTheLizard on December 7, 2010, 10:13 GMT

    I admire your loyalty Sir Bob. Let's keep our good players away from the current Australian "brains trust". They have a knack of turning players with great potential into rubbish! Wait until Ricky and Tim are dumped, then bring in the NSW guys. They can work their special magic on the the Victorian line-up, in the mean time for all I care.

  • Gordyjh on December 7, 2010, 10:09 GMT

    What is it with Mitchell Johnson? Against other countries he looks useful, against England he looks moderate at best.

  • on December 7, 2010, 10:07 GMT

    Andrew Hilditch should be the 1st one on the chopping block before any of the players or any one else. The selectors should be responsible for the loss too. These guys keeps on picking the wrong players for the team. Ricky is never going to be a great captain but he is a decent captain and he can do so much with what he been given by the selector. Australia needs a new band of selectors before anything else.

  • popcorn on December 7, 2010, 10:06 GMT

    Here is a parallel: Western Australian Damien Martyn retired from International Cricket honourably after Australia won the Adelaide Test in December 2006. He did not play the third Test on his home ground - Perth. Western Australian Captain Marcus North will be SACKED after Australia lost the Adelaide Test in December 2010. He will not play on his home ground - Perth. Retaining him more for his part -time spinning ability,than for his batting at Number 6,is putting hope over experience. So what if the selectors do a back-flip and take back Nathan Hauritz? Haven't they taken back Damien Martyn after Sydney 1994,and Simon Katich and Damien Martyn back after The Ashes 2005? The objective is to win the next three games even if it means eating humble pie for the selectors.Hughes has played better in the Southern Hemisphere - Australia, New Zealand, South Africa than in England.I predict the following Team Hughes,Watson, Ponting, Clarke, Hussey,Khwaja,Haddin,Hauritz,Hilfy,Harris,Siddle.

  • KingofRedLions on December 7, 2010, 10:03 GMT

    I disagree with the suggestion that Bollinger is merely workmanlike.

  • sw10cricketdiehard on December 7, 2010, 10:01 GMT

    It is hard to believe that Cameron white or Brad Hodge are not considered. Aussies must build a team for the future agreed. But if Hussey can play at 38 and Ponting can play at 36 what is wrong in recalling the inform Hodge. The arrogance of the selectors has already eliminated Stuart Clarke, Brett Lee, Brad Hodge etc. When will these selectors wake up. After all Ashes is the greatest series to be fought for as far as Australia is concerned. Try Hodge and with his form who knows what he is capable of. After all he is a double centurion.

  • StarveTheLizard on December 7, 2010, 10:00 GMT

    Ricky says he is still standing by North.He says that Marcus still has a lot to contribute. I read this and laughed. I think I know why we are so bad now. Our captain and our selectors are all insane! Einstein once stated that the definition of insanity was doing the same thing repeatedly, expecting different results. Selecting poor Marcus on the basis that he will come good sooner or later looks like a classic example to me. Given my certainty, I can now start to have some fun! I cannot wait to see who shows up in the next test lineup! This is black comedy in its purest form!

  • Indike on December 7, 2010, 9:59 GMT

    SELECT ANDREW SYMONDS TO THE TEAM.

  • GregWG on December 7, 2010, 9:58 GMT

    Shame about Katich, a great cricketer and a man of substance in an age of bling and b@llshit. Hughes in for him. Otherwise, if you don't have a top spinner, don't play someone who'se not good enough in the hope that he's suddenly going to start channelling Shane Warne. So: keep the batting as is but make it clear to North that he's now the first-choice spinner, and in the team as an all-rounder. That will encourage him to bat with greater freedom and end the speculation about his batting place, and rely on pace. If you're going to rely mainly on pace bowling you need a balance of different characteristics. So: 8, Johnstone, 9, Harris (best of the bunch at Adelaide), 10, Siddle, 11 Stuart Clark. You can also get half a pace-man's workload out of Watson. Good blend of pace and aggression and control and you could rotate them to keep them fresh. That team should certainly be able to compete at the WACA.

  • Babu22 on December 7, 2010, 9:56 GMT

    My personal opinion about the best 11 for Perth Test (Doesn't matter if the team loses. Australia needs to rebuild NOW; before it's too late): 1) Philip Hughes 2) Shaun Marsh 3) Ricky Ponting 4) Michael Hussey 5) Cameron White 6) Shane Watson 7) Brad Haddin 8) Mitchell Johnson 9) Nathan Hauritz 10) Ryan Harris 11) Ben Hilfenhaus. Reasons: (a) I believe Watson is better at 6. (b) Oz needs two openers who will will have to play for a few years into the future (c) MJ's pace will be useful in Perth. (d) I think dropping Nathan Hauritz for Doherty was a wrong move in the first place. If KP is in mood, he will hit anybody in view, ie not bothered by slow left arm bowler. (d) Take these guys and trust them (e) Discard North forever (f) Sad to say discard Katich as well. He is nearing his retirement. (g) Clarke should be nowhere near the team. Was it the 10th time he got out in the last over of the day? (h) Slowly pass captaincy over. (i) Clarke is not a captaincy material.

  • on December 7, 2010, 9:52 GMT

    People keep calling for players who are injured or no longer available. Nathan Bracken is out injured (knee surgery - still not able to bowl). Brett Lee and Shaun Tait aren't fit enough to play a Test (only ODIs).

    Who to pick? Hauritz looks good, although I see he was outbowled by Steve Smith today playing for NSW (Smith took 4 wickets, Haury 0). And is Perth likely to be a spinners deck for anyone other than Warne? Probably not ... so perhaps you bring Smith in for the extra runs he brings, especially if Johnson is not ready yet.

    It's a shame Andrew McDonald and Mitch Starc are unavailable for the Perth Test due to injury, as I reckon both would be in the mix otherwise.

  • Maverick7601 on December 7, 2010, 9:52 GMT

    I am extremely delighted at the fall of Australian cricket not because i envied their success but because they forgot the basics of cricket being a sport and showing gracefulness in their wins. They showed so scant respect to others. Being aggressive is different than being arrogant. Arrogance has no place. Where is all talked Australian Rotation Policy? Not only Australia will have to go to nets and learn cricketing skills but also learn some humility. Alas we would see the end of Arrogant Ponting coming faster than expected. But i would really love to see the rise of Australian cricket as they provided fiercest of competitions. Australia needs fresh pair of legs to lead them in this moment of crisis.

  • yezdi70 on December 7, 2010, 9:36 GMT

    If the Aussies change the team in a big way again then they are guaranteed to lose. You cannot judge the players based on one match. All they will achieve is a loss of confidence which at this stage will not help. They really ought to stick to the team with minor changes...replace Doherty and of course Katich at the top. I'd still stay with the fast bowling attack.

  • Hodra99 on December 7, 2010, 9:28 GMT

    Team for Perth should be Hughes, Watson, Ponting, Clarke, M Hussey, D Hussey, Haddin, Hauritz, Johnson, Harris, Siddle 12th Copeland. If the ashes are lost (which I hope they are not!) after Perth, then it's time to blood Khawaja, Smith and Copeland and persist with them even if they struggle initially. C'mon Aussies, you can fight back!

  • on December 7, 2010, 9:25 GMT

    OZ gonna lose 2-0 r 3-0 Its just a matter of time N wit this team OZ r not gonna make it 2 d semis of WC2011

  • on December 7, 2010, 9:24 GMT

    I was one who predicted a 5-0 win for England in this ashes but was not prepared for this kind of capitulation. The fall from the first day in Brisbane has been complete. Cricket needs competitive games and I would luv to see England win but against a competing Austraia. Australia need some wholesale changes clearly. Katichs injury should bring in Phil Hughes. North has to go for sure. Possibly try Khwaja or Fergusson. Cant have a zero, 100, zeo, zero pattern repeating for a number 6. Both Johnson and Hilfenhaus ( the latter unfairly axed) should come in. Do not know if either Hauritz or Doherty will do well. I wud prefer a young tearway instead of a spinner who struggle. So it shd be Hughes, Watson, Hussey at 3, Ponting at 4, Clarke, Haddin, Fergusson, Johnson, Siddle, Harris and Hilfenhaus. This is the best team Aus can put up to give them a chance to compete in Perth. The result is still likely that England will win....but let there be some good competition...

  • Beertjie on December 7, 2010, 9:16 GMT

    Good analysis given who we're dealing with, but there are a couple of other names that Hilditch & co. could add in their 13: White and George.Watson, Hughes, Ponting, Clarke, Hussey, Khawaja, Haddin, Hauritz, Harris, Hilfenhaus, George (XI) Johnson, White. Then if Aus loses again, and they still want jobs in the new year they'd drop Ponting (like Bill Lawry was dropped in 1971 in a similar Ashes losing situation) and replace him with White (no, I'm no Victorian, in fact, I've never even been to Victoria!). It's lack of leadership that'll cost the Ashes and future series and Pup is not the man yet (if he'll ever be one). So, even if White might have a problem keeping his place, he'll likely be no worse than North has been and provide the missing ingredient in the re-building process. One must just wait for the next generation of bowlers to mature/emerge: George, Starc, Hazlewood, Copeland, O'Keefe, etc. Let's hope some do and get picked for 2013. It'll be the only way out of this mess.

  • on December 7, 2010, 8:55 GMT

    Now Ausies might feel how other teams might have felt during their Suprimacy! This Game is a Great Leveler. They should recollect, should watch their Previous Glorius Recorded Matches. How they came out from Defeats and won... Best of Luck Ausies for your rest of the Ashes!

  • RJHB on December 7, 2010, 8:55 GMT

    What the first two tests have shown is that without doubt, right now, England are definitely the better team. And they'd be a handful for the top two teams in their current form as well. But so far we've also seen what a difference a swing in good fortune can do. With luck on Australia's side, the contest is an even one and the Aussies can be competitive. With luck going England's way, well the pitch flattens out, decisions go their way every time, their batsmen have multiple lives etc etc. England become too good, contest over. I'd like another look at England bowling on a road instead of a fresh first morning zinger or a last day minefield, then we'll see whats what.

  • on December 7, 2010, 8:49 GMT

    Like I said previously, the Australian selectors have to look at the future and the future of Australian cricket. As the current pool of Australian players aren't good enough to win two of the three remaining tests, the Ashes are lost too and the sooner they realise this, the better. This is the time to go for it - out with Ponting, Clarke et al, give Hussey the long-term captaincy with Watson as his deputy. Retain Haddin, Siddle and Hilfenhaus, in with Warner, Hughes, George and other YOUNG players. Give Hussey the task not to lose more than two of the remaining tests and, publicly, to build a team to regain the Ashes in England next time round. Ponting alas, will be remembered as a poorer captain than he really was and not the Australian Great as a batsman he is, no matter if he goes now or loses more tests during this series. Carpe diem - do it NOW!

  • on December 7, 2010, 8:37 GMT

    IMHO, Australia's XI for Perth should be: 1 Phil Hughes 2 Shane Watson 3 Ricky Ponting 4 Michael Clarke 5 Michael Hussey 6 Callum Ferguson 7 Brad Haddin 8 Mitchell Johnson 9 Ryan Harris 10 Nathan Hauritz 11 Peter Siddle

  • SirBobJones on December 7, 2010, 8:30 GMT

    The 3C's from NSW are the way to go - Clark, Cameron and Copeland. Once the other states have stopped crying over too many NSW representatives, they might be able to flick their TV's on, dry their eyes and watch the Aussies celebrating victory some time on the third day of the Perth test.

  • on December 7, 2010, 8:23 GMT

    Mitchell Johnson is needed.

  • Quazar on December 7, 2010, 8:18 GMT

    Well, whoever gets selected needs to play at his best for Australia to hit back. Personally, I hope the Aussie selectors give Bollinger and Johnson another chance to work hard mentally & physically over the next 8 days...for these 2 men have proven themselves as matchwinners for Australia when in form. As for the batsmen, only North needs to go, although the rest obviously need to fight harder and score more. Australia can still win at Perth, but every single player (except Hussey) needs to lift his game. My XI: Hughes, Watson, Ponting, Clarke, Hussey, Khwaja, Haddin, Hauritz, Johnson, Harris, Bollinger(1st pref)/ Siddle / Hilfenhaus. (Of course if Johnson and Bollinger don't show signs of returning to their best even over the next 8 days, then Hilfenhaus and Siddle should play).

  • sophisticated001 on December 7, 2010, 8:16 GMT

    My humble request to cricinfo team to pass a message to Australia selectors... Where is the bloody experience in bowling department.. Where is once the number one bowler NATHAN BRACKEN. Bracken swings ball more then anybody in history of cricket Australia. England have not been blind folded with SWANN's contribution since half of decade, they have still kept Anderson and Broad who were ordinary previous but now they have become like "old wine". With Lee and Bracken who were suppose to hold up after Mcgrath. Lee has given up but Bracken is Axed ... Axed also in exchange of Hilfi and Siddle who are not at all threatening for any opposition. Johnson is on a verge of becoming ordinary. Harris needs experience. Bollinger needs luck... Doherthy needs go to spin academy. Cricinfo please I want the answer of why Bracken being isolated... Pls get me the answer

  • on December 7, 2010, 8:09 GMT

    so we lost has happened beore,we got flogged back in 85-86 by the kiwis .a few changes are needed, my team would be hughes,jaques ponting hussey clarke watson haddin smith harris hilfenhaus and siddle/johnston.

  • Great_Nate on December 7, 2010, 8:07 GMT

    Stuart Clark is a fantastic bowler. Not sure why the selectors refuse to even look at him. His figures for Australia are great and he has great control, something which has been greatly lacking of late

  • Rahulbose on December 7, 2010, 8:01 GMT

    The smart thing to do would be to stick with the guys they picked at the start of the series. Plenty teams have bounced back from such defeats and Aussies can do it. As for Khawaja he probably needs to renounce his name or religion to have any shot of playing for Aus.

  • Fareen on December 7, 2010, 7:59 GMT

    How come dropping North is a tough call??...And please replace him with C.WHITE...because he's the best man to play @ no. 6 right now...Khwaja i sa top order batter...Ferguson's record is poor...And i also think dohertys time is up...Hauritz will be back for the 3rd test....and absence of katich will hurt australia..his partnership with watson was going well...But Hughes won't be a bad replacement...In the pace department,they'll face big problems...May be a new face can be brought...I don't know about the record of M.Starc but he looked brilliant in the odis...As a lefty,his control his good..

  • arjhuns on December 7, 2010, 7:50 GMT

    North should be replaced by ferguson and katich bu hughes and xavier doherty by hauritz and siddle and bollinger can be included in perth because the duo can cause serious problems for england batsmen on WACA pitch

  • justsometurkey on December 7, 2010, 7:46 GMT

    I am an optimist, this is a great opportunity to try new blood and we can't get any worse. Also why not drop North if he is that good he can earn his way back in. I can't drop ricky as a batsman because he is still the best we've got. Ricky is right, that his number one worry should be his making runs.

  • Viper2.0 on December 7, 2010, 7:45 GMT

    Phillip Hughes comes in for katich,replace North with either Ferguson or Khawaja.Other than that Bollinger should retain his place as it wont be fair by judging him after one match,Harris and Siddle should form the three man pace attack.Xavier Doherty is the only puzzle that they need to solve.With Broad ruled out,Australia can sniff a chance,since even though broad didn't take any that much wickets he was keeping one end tight by not leaking runs.If i were to change one guy in this Australian setup it would be Greg Chappell,he always proved to be a bad omen :D, am sure Indian Fans would agree with this!! lolz

  • on December 7, 2010, 7:43 GMT

    The easiest call for the selectors would be to sack Ponting (captain plodder), the worst Australian captain ever and very ordinary with the bat for the last two years. Replace him with C White.

  • gzawilliam on December 7, 2010, 7:41 GMT

    Ricky has some strange alliances within australian cricket. He seems to back north all the way even though north has put even more pressure on ricky himself to score runs. Bollinger once the best of the pack is now out of it.

    I think its time to give trent copeland a go. we need something untried and different.

  • itsganu on December 7, 2010, 7:41 GMT

    Go with Jason Krezja he is the best spinner I have seen after Warne retirement.He is the wicket taking bowler...

  • jonesy2 on December 7, 2010, 7:40 GMT

    coming from a western australian who has wanted north to dominate and backed him, im sick of him, he couldve saved a test for australia, he didnt, hes usless, get rid of him. cam white needs to come in at 6.

  • Lovetesh on December 7, 2010, 7:39 GMT

    Bring back Lee, Tait and Nannes just for one test in Perth. Drew the series 1-1 there and then have a two match shootout in MCG and Sydney and hope England slip somewhere. Aus need to win and for that they need 20 English wickets. No matter how much changes they made in batting they are not going to win matches unless bowlers stepped up and take wickets.

  • on December 7, 2010, 7:39 GMT

    dump North, Bollinger and Doherty. If they lose the next test as well and the batsmen fail i want to see clarke and pontings heads too! NOT GOOD ENOUGH AUSSIES YOU ARE EMBARRASSING YOUR COUNTRY!

  • on December 7, 2010, 7:34 GMT

    No Slow bower.. No attack leader... batsmen are not too much confident... Is it Australia

  • on December 7, 2010, 7:33 GMT

    Everyone seems to have forgotten Shaun Marsh. He would be the ideal replace for Katich on the bouncy WACA pitch. He has the family pedigree too... Would love to see another Marsh at the top of the Australian batting order.

  • aby_prasad on December 7, 2010, 7:31 GMT

    Aussies, please dont be like the Indian media, we are tired ourselves of blaming great players like Sachin when they fail. Now dont keep up the tradition and insult one of the greatest modern batsman Ponting when he fails! Through thick and thin, cricket fans should support their players...be it Sachin, Ponting, Lara or Pietersen/Flintoff!!!! its not like they like to lose! Feel their pain too :)

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  • aby_prasad on December 7, 2010, 7:31 GMT

    Aussies, please dont be like the Indian media, we are tired ourselves of blaming great players like Sachin when they fail. Now dont keep up the tradition and insult one of the greatest modern batsman Ponting when he fails! Through thick and thin, cricket fans should support their players...be it Sachin, Ponting, Lara or Pietersen/Flintoff!!!! its not like they like to lose! Feel their pain too :)

  • on December 7, 2010, 7:33 GMT

    Everyone seems to have forgotten Shaun Marsh. He would be the ideal replace for Katich on the bouncy WACA pitch. He has the family pedigree too... Would love to see another Marsh at the top of the Australian batting order.

  • on December 7, 2010, 7:34 GMT

    No Slow bower.. No attack leader... batsmen are not too much confident... Is it Australia

  • on December 7, 2010, 7:39 GMT

    dump North, Bollinger and Doherty. If they lose the next test as well and the batsmen fail i want to see clarke and pontings heads too! NOT GOOD ENOUGH AUSSIES YOU ARE EMBARRASSING YOUR COUNTRY!

  • Lovetesh on December 7, 2010, 7:39 GMT

    Bring back Lee, Tait and Nannes just for one test in Perth. Drew the series 1-1 there and then have a two match shootout in MCG and Sydney and hope England slip somewhere. Aus need to win and for that they need 20 English wickets. No matter how much changes they made in batting they are not going to win matches unless bowlers stepped up and take wickets.

  • jonesy2 on December 7, 2010, 7:40 GMT

    coming from a western australian who has wanted north to dominate and backed him, im sick of him, he couldve saved a test for australia, he didnt, hes usless, get rid of him. cam white needs to come in at 6.

  • itsganu on December 7, 2010, 7:41 GMT

    Go with Jason Krezja he is the best spinner I have seen after Warne retirement.He is the wicket taking bowler...

  • gzawilliam on December 7, 2010, 7:41 GMT

    Ricky has some strange alliances within australian cricket. He seems to back north all the way even though north has put even more pressure on ricky himself to score runs. Bollinger once the best of the pack is now out of it.

    I think its time to give trent copeland a go. we need something untried and different.

  • on December 7, 2010, 7:43 GMT

    The easiest call for the selectors would be to sack Ponting (captain plodder), the worst Australian captain ever and very ordinary with the bat for the last two years. Replace him with C White.

  • Viper2.0 on December 7, 2010, 7:45 GMT

    Phillip Hughes comes in for katich,replace North with either Ferguson or Khawaja.Other than that Bollinger should retain his place as it wont be fair by judging him after one match,Harris and Siddle should form the three man pace attack.Xavier Doherty is the only puzzle that they need to solve.With Broad ruled out,Australia can sniff a chance,since even though broad didn't take any that much wickets he was keeping one end tight by not leaking runs.If i were to change one guy in this Australian setup it would be Greg Chappell,he always proved to be a bad omen :D, am sure Indian Fans would agree with this!! lolz