England in Australia 2013-14 January 15, 2014

Finn returns home to rebuild career

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Steven Finn will fly home from the tour of Australia after the England management conceded that his form and confidence have deserted him to such an extent that he is now not a viable selection option.

Ashley Giles, the limited-overs coach, believes he now needs a complete break from cricket for a period of time before trying to get his career back on track.

He was originally named in both the one-day and Twenty20 squads but doubts persisted as to whether he would be able to resurrect his tour. He did not play the opening ODI in Melbourne and the writing was on the wall when he was left out of the Prime Minister's XI match in Canberra.

"Sometimes through your career you go through those ups and downs and his timing is out," Giles said. "That then can affect your confidence and certainly it is not coming out as quickly as he would like either.

"I suppose he has been in this state for at least a couple of months and it hasn't worked. We feel now that it is best to take him out of it. Sometimes you do have to do that, you take guys back. At the moment Steven needs a bit of space in the very short term he probably needs a couple of weeks away from cricket full stop. Steven is not selectable at the moment.'

"The issue for the coaches is to find the root of the problem. Something technical in the chain is out of sync. He has technical issues and the more troublesome they become, the worse the battle. It is going to affect you mentally."

Suggestions that Finn has the yips - the dreaded psychological affliction which prevents somebody from releasing the ball to any normal standard - has been dismissed by Angus Fraser, Middlesex's director of cricket, as an exaggeration. Fraser simply wants him to rise above the pressure of expectation and rediscover his love for the game.

Nevertheless, Finn's troubles have run deep. When he was named in the Ashes squad Finn was one of the quartet of tall fast bowlers England planned to play a key role in the Test series. Ultimately Finn did not appear in the series and was not really close to selection after a poor warm-up period. His last appearance came in the tour match in Alice Springs when he took 0 for 61.

He appeared far from comfortable during England's training session two days out from the one-day series starting in Melbourne, resorting to walking through his bowling action alongside Alastair Cook.

This continues a difficult time for Finn, who lost his Test place after the opening match against Australia at Trent Bridge in July although he continued to feature in the T20 and one-day line-ups at the end of the season. In 2012 his problem of knocking the stumps over with his right knee became so regular that a Law was introduced to make it a no-ball and this was subsequently followed by attempts to remodel him onto a shorter run-up which was eventually shelved for a return to his standard approach.

Finn has been named in England's provisional 30-man squad for the World Twenty20, but unless there are significant improvements in the weeks to come when he returns home it is difficult to see him being included for the tournament. The selectors may well decide the best course of action is not to consider him again until he has had a chance to play some county cricket at the start of the new season in April.

England will be desperate that Finn can recover from the setbacks of this tour because, on his day, he remains one of the few English bowlers capable of pushing towards 90mph.

"He can go back and work on the technical things he has got to work on,'' Giles said. We've already had communication with Middlesex and we need to make a plan and get Steven back as quickly as we can.''

Andrew McGlashan is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • Harmony111 on January 16, 2014, 8:02 GMT

    I would want not to blindly blame this on Flower's style but it is indeed quite singular that the Eng team is suddenly showing signs of heavy psychological stress. Re-modelling of action is not a new idea, many many bowlers have gone through that in the past & came back much better. Bhajji himself got through that under Fred Titmus and became much better. But there is a certain way of doing it.

    Troot's problem might have been due to his personal issues but Swann's sudden retirement & Finn's loss of everything give some signs of poor directorship by the director Flower.

    I was hugely impressed by Finn when I first saw him and even today I maintain he is more talented than Cummins. With all the needless noise over KP's place, I wonder what the morale of the Eng camp is right now.

    Eng are not all that bad as this 0-5 but they are not going to improve and give their combined best with these kind of news coming out every 2 days.

  • zenboomerang on January 16, 2014, 4:06 GMT

    @disco_bob - Gloating is correct but you say "satisfaction that England are getting what they deserve" - what do they deserve & why? The loss of so many top players from the Eng team very much weakens any wins we have had & I'd rather a 3/2 result any day to a whitewash. Also I call some comms as trolls because they have no interesting point other than to put down other teams & fans, which is not the reason most of us post here for - it is just a game after all & I treat it as a game...

    "You guys [Eng]" - lol - considering I can trace my history back 50,000 years through my grandmother from the NT I would find it difficult to support any other nation than Oz... Also I have posted here for many years so you newbies can take note!...

  • on January 15, 2014, 21:43 GMT

    First_Drop speaks the truth, but misses the point that DJRNZ nails. Trott, Swann and Finn all on the plane home, yet physically fit? Does rampant and oppressive micromanagement of talented young men destroy their enthusiasm and desire to play their natural game? England used to be badly managed by amateurs, now they are badly managed by professionals.

  • on January 15, 2014, 21:26 GMT

    I can't see Finn playing again ! The English coaches have ruined him. They should now pay his salary untill he's hit retirement age !

  • Chris_P on January 15, 2014, 20:28 GMT

    As an Aussie supporter I can breathe a little easier for this guy could be anything, but, as a cricket enthusiast it's a shame it has come to this. He has a unique talent, that should be appreciated by cricket enthusiasts, (unless he is laying against you!). I hope he comes back, he is good for cricket, also seems like a good bloke off the field as well.

  • AnanRam on January 15, 2014, 20:15 GMT

    Triumph of mediocrity. This is the bane of England. Finn and Tremlett have far superior Test stats than Broad and Anderson. They are faster and have more bounce.

    But what do England do? Rather than nurture them, they select Bresnan, a medium pacer, and Stokes, who did not make any crucial breaks but picked up some cheap wickets.

    The same way they mishandled Pietersen and have nearly destroyed him.

    England is all about conformity and uniformity. This leads to mediocrity.

  • jb633 on January 15, 2014, 16:54 GMT

    @First_drop, even as an ardern Englishman I agree entirely with your point. Lets not pretend that side was rubbish like many are doing but certainly they have never been a great side, just a pretty good one.

  • Madpashcrickers on January 15, 2014, 16:37 GMT

    Steve Finn is simply too talented to be sidelined for very long - as soon as he has shaken out the yips he'll be back firing at 90 mph+ and picking up hatfuls of test and first class wickets.

    Anyone can get the yips at any time in any sport and at any level, even Cookie has got the batting yips at present - missing straight balls and fencing at wide ones, his batting head is nowhere.

    Interestingly since Ben Stokes came in, England can now see the value of having at least one seamer who is quick and hostile and has a high strike rate even if that seamer is giving away 4 or 5 an over. You are never going to beat the top test sides by all your seamers bowling 'dry' but hardly taking a wicket, you need to bowl people out.

    This much should have evident to England when Kallis and Amla gave us an absolute masterclass in test batting in 2012, they could bat all day against the likes of Broad and Anderson without a trace of anxiety.

  • DJRNZ on January 15, 2014, 16:22 GMT

    Three English players to leave a tour of Aussie now. Surely this is something to do with the managment or how over the top they are with support staff etc. Prob just too much to take day in day out, takes the fun out of the game.

  • jb633 on January 15, 2014, 15:59 GMT

    I wish now I could bring up my posts from last summer and the last ashes re Finn. Why is anyone surprised the boy has lost his head. Why did our management feel the need to criticise him to the media and display his weaknesses to the world. During the last ashes he was dropped because he was too expensive. I have no issue with the decision but why did the selectors have to go public and announce to everyone he must tighten up. Surely they could have had a quiet word with the lad behind closed doors. When did you ever hear Alex Fergurson publicly criticise an individual (never). Look at the way Dhoni has protected Ishant Sharma from the public by always defending him and deflecting the blame. There is no wonder Finn has gone to pieces with the dreadful man management he has been encountered with.

  • Harmony111 on January 16, 2014, 8:02 GMT

    I would want not to blindly blame this on Flower's style but it is indeed quite singular that the Eng team is suddenly showing signs of heavy psychological stress. Re-modelling of action is not a new idea, many many bowlers have gone through that in the past & came back much better. Bhajji himself got through that under Fred Titmus and became much better. But there is a certain way of doing it.

    Troot's problem might have been due to his personal issues but Swann's sudden retirement & Finn's loss of everything give some signs of poor directorship by the director Flower.

    I was hugely impressed by Finn when I first saw him and even today I maintain he is more talented than Cummins. With all the needless noise over KP's place, I wonder what the morale of the Eng camp is right now.

    Eng are not all that bad as this 0-5 but they are not going to improve and give their combined best with these kind of news coming out every 2 days.

  • zenboomerang on January 16, 2014, 4:06 GMT

    @disco_bob - Gloating is correct but you say "satisfaction that England are getting what they deserve" - what do they deserve & why? The loss of so many top players from the Eng team very much weakens any wins we have had & I'd rather a 3/2 result any day to a whitewash. Also I call some comms as trolls because they have no interesting point other than to put down other teams & fans, which is not the reason most of us post here for - it is just a game after all & I treat it as a game...

    "You guys [Eng]" - lol - considering I can trace my history back 50,000 years through my grandmother from the NT I would find it difficult to support any other nation than Oz... Also I have posted here for many years so you newbies can take note!...

  • on January 15, 2014, 21:43 GMT

    First_Drop speaks the truth, but misses the point that DJRNZ nails. Trott, Swann and Finn all on the plane home, yet physically fit? Does rampant and oppressive micromanagement of talented young men destroy their enthusiasm and desire to play their natural game? England used to be badly managed by amateurs, now they are badly managed by professionals.

  • on January 15, 2014, 21:26 GMT

    I can't see Finn playing again ! The English coaches have ruined him. They should now pay his salary untill he's hit retirement age !

  • Chris_P on January 15, 2014, 20:28 GMT

    As an Aussie supporter I can breathe a little easier for this guy could be anything, but, as a cricket enthusiast it's a shame it has come to this. He has a unique talent, that should be appreciated by cricket enthusiasts, (unless he is laying against you!). I hope he comes back, he is good for cricket, also seems like a good bloke off the field as well.

  • AnanRam on January 15, 2014, 20:15 GMT

    Triumph of mediocrity. This is the bane of England. Finn and Tremlett have far superior Test stats than Broad and Anderson. They are faster and have more bounce.

    But what do England do? Rather than nurture them, they select Bresnan, a medium pacer, and Stokes, who did not make any crucial breaks but picked up some cheap wickets.

    The same way they mishandled Pietersen and have nearly destroyed him.

    England is all about conformity and uniformity. This leads to mediocrity.

  • jb633 on January 15, 2014, 16:54 GMT

    @First_drop, even as an ardern Englishman I agree entirely with your point. Lets not pretend that side was rubbish like many are doing but certainly they have never been a great side, just a pretty good one.

  • Madpashcrickers on January 15, 2014, 16:37 GMT

    Steve Finn is simply too talented to be sidelined for very long - as soon as he has shaken out the yips he'll be back firing at 90 mph+ and picking up hatfuls of test and first class wickets.

    Anyone can get the yips at any time in any sport and at any level, even Cookie has got the batting yips at present - missing straight balls and fencing at wide ones, his batting head is nowhere.

    Interestingly since Ben Stokes came in, England can now see the value of having at least one seamer who is quick and hostile and has a high strike rate even if that seamer is giving away 4 or 5 an over. You are never going to beat the top test sides by all your seamers bowling 'dry' but hardly taking a wicket, you need to bowl people out.

    This much should have evident to England when Kallis and Amla gave us an absolute masterclass in test batting in 2012, they could bat all day against the likes of Broad and Anderson without a trace of anxiety.

  • DJRNZ on January 15, 2014, 16:22 GMT

    Three English players to leave a tour of Aussie now. Surely this is something to do with the managment or how over the top they are with support staff etc. Prob just too much to take day in day out, takes the fun out of the game.

  • jb633 on January 15, 2014, 15:59 GMT

    I wish now I could bring up my posts from last summer and the last ashes re Finn. Why is anyone surprised the boy has lost his head. Why did our management feel the need to criticise him to the media and display his weaknesses to the world. During the last ashes he was dropped because he was too expensive. I have no issue with the decision but why did the selectors have to go public and announce to everyone he must tighten up. Surely they could have had a quiet word with the lad behind closed doors. When did you ever hear Alex Fergurson publicly criticise an individual (never). Look at the way Dhoni has protected Ishant Sharma from the public by always defending him and deflecting the blame. There is no wonder Finn has gone to pieces with the dreadful man management he has been encountered with.

  • wibblewibble on January 15, 2014, 15:36 GMT

    First_Drop: Disagree, if you include series as long ago as Pakistan in UAE, you have to acknowledge the series win in India and three Ashes series wins in a row. India didn't bowl badly in India, Australia didn't bowl badly in Australia in 2010/11, nor in UK in 2009.

    Unsurprisingly, batsmen tend to get out more to high quality bowling than to dross...

  • sjm5000 on January 15, 2014, 14:52 GMT

    @ First_Drop You absolutely nailed it.

  • First_Drop on January 15, 2014, 14:21 GMT

    @3ddy - great english team? the same one that has been thrashed by SA, Pakistan and now Australia?? You're thinking of a different team.... for sometime now, England have been dining out on beating poor teams (Australia in their last home series were awful), India were awful last time they came out here (UK), and the Windies are poor. The only thing that changed in the most recent Ashes series is that the Aussie bowlers were very very good. This 'great English team' has almost always succumbed to good bowling. They're relied on poor bowling to thrive.

  • First_Drop on January 15, 2014, 14:14 GMT

    @FB user - the word coming out of Australia was that he was awful at Nets practice, and having difficulty getting it on the pitch.

  • jayg24 on January 15, 2014, 14:10 GMT

    God another promising England cricketer bites the dust. This tour has been an absolute disaster.... nothing more to say

  • perl57 on January 15, 2014, 13:52 GMT

    Another flower master stroke resulted in another career being nipped out. He should have been played more regularly. Seriously, Bresnan in tests? He bowls a dibly dobly pace ball at gentle 120. If Johnson hurled those bouncers, England's best bet was not a close to retirement Anderson or a directionless Broad but Finn. They came to Oz to win 5-0 and howTHE world changed.

  • on January 15, 2014, 13:46 GMT

    Finns demise is a tragedy-but the bowling coaches must take the blame. I seem to recall they advised him to shorten his run,then go back to his normal run etc etc. Also they should have quietly sent him home some time ago if he was in such a bad way. I still believe he will return and take many more wickets for England. And I agree with 3ddy-he will always be better than Bresnan-in or out of form his record for England thus far is superior to any other current bowler-strike rate and average.

  • 2.14istherunrate on January 15, 2014, 13:45 GMT

    This is very sad for Finn. He must be wondering about things. But I am sure Fraser can get him back on track quickly. He is soon to be need by England so there is hope. I do not think Rankin is a better bowler in the long run.

  • liz1558 on January 15, 2014, 13:43 GMT

    @ sjm5000 - re: old captains - true except for Vaughan, who has recommended changes that could only happen with a complete overhaul at the top. Baldrick? Presuamlby Cook and Flower are busily engraving their names into bullets @Mr Fritz - fully agree. Particularly the media stuff. OK, the players don't owe the media anything, and they are wise to be on their guard against rent-a-quote journos. However, Strauss, Vaughan and Hussain were very media savvy, and knew how play the game with real skill. Cook seems to have a line in sullen passive aggression (you can print that if you want, etc) that does nothing to protect his players or endear the management to the media or through the media, the public. Who are the meida consultants? Kevin and Perry?

  • Front-Foot_lunge on January 15, 2014, 13:39 GMT

    As an England fan, Finn's travails are all too common. This leads me to believe that the media hype that surrounded this teams 'purple patch' was premature and perhaps the team now is re-aligning itself with the modest returns we are getting from the county system.

    Finn has been unable to cut it for a number of years at international level, but without the framework in place, that better national systems like Australia's have, we're unlikely to see him 'do a Johnson' in a few years and return back bigger, fitter, stronger and more devastating. Simply because his stats suggest he's not that good to begin with.

  • sjm5000 on January 15, 2014, 13:29 GMT

    The worrying thing is that the system will be blamed for what is entirely a managerial problem. For the last couple of years I've found watching 4 day county cricket infinitely preferable to watching the England test match team. Sour attitudes, a dreadful overrate and an atmosphere of overriding sulleness, frequent poisonously slow batting etc etc. A side unable to take the initiative, but always reacting. This is very worrying from the team that wants to "champion" test match cricket: they're absolutely hellish to watch. But, and here's the big but, the criticism,from the press is completely muted due to their proximity to the England team - whether that be current or historic: Atherton, Strauss, Botham, Hussain, Atherton, Marks, Vaughn, Tufnell, Pringle, Fraser, etc etc.

    Flower and all the coaching staff should be weeded out and Cook should continue only as a batsman. This is not the time to panic, this is the time to take decisive and necessary action.

  • Dangertroy on January 15, 2014, 13:15 GMT

    I thought it was odd when Finn didn't play in the first test. He had a five for in his previous warm up game, yet they picked trenlett, who had only a single wicket in two warm up games.

    Then when he wasn't picked for the first ODI, I thought that was really odd.

    He should go home with his head held high. He can at least say he played no part in this shambolic tour. As an Aussie supporter, I hope he can regain some form again, as he is a great competitor when he is bowling well.

  • liz1558 on January 15, 2014, 12:55 GMT

    @rickyvoncanterbury - tit for tat - you're missing the point. What disco bob has overlooked, is that had there been only one Ashes series this year (as per usual) whether it had been in England or Australia, England would've won. A good side on the slide was - clearly in hindsight - tired and jaded for a return leg against a side bent on revenge. Even then, Australia were 5/6 down for nothing in every Test. What will happen to your side in two years time when all the best players are 35 +? What did that guy in the crowd want Tufnell's brain for? You surely can't be the product of his endeavours...It's either you or disco bob.

  • liz1558 on January 15, 2014, 12:41 GMT

    @F on (January 15, 2014, 11:28 GMT) - whoever you are - Flower will keep ditching players (who still have some life) until he's the only one left. It's hard on the guy because he's done a great job, but unless he goes England will continue to slide. It's hard to imagine a more calamitous tour. It would be more of a shock if Finn is the last casualty - there have to be good odds on Flower or Cook going before the tour is out. At least in 74/75 the side held together in spite of the captain dropping himself. In fact, it is unlikely that there has been a worse tour in the history of the game. Maybe the Pakistan tour of England 2010 with all the betting scandals.

  • CantFindMyScreenName on January 15, 2014, 12:40 GMT

    "Who can we blame this mess on lads?"

    'I think out of the batsmen, the two top run scorers obviously. One's arrogant, and one's the new fellow'.

    "Great. Now, the bowlers?"

    'Try that big quiet lad that hasn't played a game'.

    "Brilliant. Glad we've sorted that out."

  • malepas on January 15, 2014, 12:29 GMT

    This is a classic case of when too much coaching destroys the bowlers action and confidence. This a great loss to English cricket as this guy has a real potential to be the destructive bowler Eng needs, the same thing happened with Jimmie in the start of his carrier and now Finn, I think MS should let him bowl with his natural action and tell him to bowl as fast as he can, this will bring his rhythm and action back.

  • sjm5000 on January 15, 2014, 12:29 GMT

    @ Matt Post. But wouldn't Baldrick have done a better job, in which case this situation would never have arisen. Part of the problem is that almost all of the high profile English journos are ex-captain/players who seem to have signed up to the Old Pals Act as if it were the Official Secrets Act, and hence everyone from Atherton to Pringle seems to think Flower and Cook are the men for the job. This is a staggering collective of self-denial and shows a breathtaking lack of imagination. One suspects that when the old codgers such as myself die off English cricket will be stuffed since I can't imagine younger generations buying into this nonsense.

  • MrFitz on January 15, 2014, 12:26 GMT

    I can't wait for this tour to conclude .Stress,Retirement,Exclusions,Poor Media Interviews..It just smacks of a lack of Leadership,Direction and Spirit ..Needs a full and honest review ...

  • njr1330 on January 15, 2014, 12:16 GMT

    To say Finn is 'unselectable' is bordering on dishonest, in implying that it is the player's fault .... the truth might read: 'We have ruined him so completely and so comprehensively, that he is unselectable'.

  • on January 15, 2014, 11:52 GMT

    @sjm5000 - I generally agree except for the last comment. Blackadder would blame it all on Baldrick whilst stealing all the silverware.

  • on January 15, 2014, 11:42 GMT

    I'm wondering how the England management know Finn is so badly out of form, when he hasn't played a match in three months and only played two games on the whole tour. Perhaps he's just feeling bored and disheartened because he thought he was coming to play cricket and then discovered he was just here to watch it. He would have been better off touring with the Barmy Army, at least those guys get to sing and enjoy themselves.

  • 3ddy on January 15, 2014, 11:38 GMT

    no matter how out of form finn is , he will always be better then bresnan and really cook , flower must be fired for ruining this great english team.

  • brusselslion on January 15, 2014, 11:36 GMT

    @Sir_Francis: "What must Graham Onions be thinking about this tour?"

    Maybe, "Phrew ... that was close. I dodged a bullet there!"

  • on January 15, 2014, 11:35 GMT

    What great job the management and coaching staff have done with Finn. Just because of the occasional no ball, they've screwed him up to the extent that he can't even bowl in the nets let alone be picked for an actual match! I bet Middlesex are over the moon!

  • on January 15, 2014, 11:28 GMT

    Wow. This team is disintegrating by the day. I read this site a lot and comment rarely, but I'm motivated now because I have never, ever seen such agreement amongst the cricketing fans from each and every country. Everyone recognises that Finn is a great talent not deserving this treatment. Everyone believes that it is the support staff network that is to blame, and someone needs to stop the rot.

    For what it's worth, us Aussies love to see our team thoroughly beat another. Cricket is a tough game and its players are professional who are expected to deal with pressure. But this is beyond the joke. When you see break downs like this, its not fun, it's not gamemanship, something is drastically wrong. It's like a boxing match when one player isn't even fighting back. Whilst you may see the odd breakdown a la Trescothick in 2006, to see multiples on the same tour is unheard of. First Trott, then Swann retirement, then Monty ditched, KP sent home, Finn sacrificed. Did I miss anything?

  • Bones87 on January 15, 2014, 11:24 GMT

    The way they ruined Finn they should be ashamed of themselves. We had a bowler who could bowl 90mph and a real wicket taker, who cares if he goes at 3.5 - 4 an over and bowls a no-ball ever few overs? Perfect compliment to consistent Anderson and Broad.

  • sjm5000 on January 15, 2014, 11:23 GMT

    Staggering that all this has been going on and on and on completely unchecked under the dreadful Flower regime. This shambolic group is suffering from complete brain shrinking mental cramp. Worse is the total lack of spine shown by their management by allowing them to continue destroying English cricket into the future. Let's look at the last few years of great success: thrashed by Pakistan, thrashed by South Africa, thrashed by Australia, scraped a draw against New Zealand. The disastrous captaincy of Alastair Cook is so pathetic it's laughable. Even Blackadder would die of frustration if he landed in the midst of this mob.

  • on January 15, 2014, 11:16 GMT

    You have to wonder about the quality and type of coaching that England is providing to its bowlers - amazing that he has come to this over the last 12 months.

  • dunger.bob on January 15, 2014, 11:15 GMT

    @ Lmaotsetung: I remember Finn falling over a lot, now that you mention it. I think you're on to something. Maybe the dude has always had a flawed run-up and delivery stride ! .. What we see now may just be the meltdown he had to have. As long as he's in good hands he's young enough to relearn the whole damn thing from the top of his mark to the wind down after delivery.

    Or maybe he's just got the yips, Ian Baker finch style and may never recover. All I can say is look after him the best you can because he's a talent imo. It would be a shame to see him fade out a such a young age.

  • Matt.au on January 15, 2014, 11:12 GMT

    Posted by rickyvoncanterbury on (January 15, 2014, 10:48 GMT) @ Sir_Francis on (January 15, 2014, 10:18 GMT) I would say he would be quietly happy, he still has a reputation and no Aussie ashes baggage.

    rickyvoncanterbury: I too had wondered about the exact comments Sir_Francis made.

    Your reply to Sir_Francis was outstanding and hopefully Onions reads what you posted and takes great heart out of it and realises by missing this tour he may well have many years in an English jumper ahead of him.

    Still, I do wonder what he did wrong to miss the tour originally. Probably nothing, it was just the English selectors tunnel vision of picking tall then taller still bowlers.

  • Ms.Cricket on January 15, 2014, 11:05 GMT

    The English selectors have made the biggest mistakes this tour.

  • timvenner on January 15, 2014, 10:57 GMT

    Absolutely agree with Jon Peters and geoffboyc. For heaven's sake let these players play their natural game ( eg Carberry, KP, and now Finn). Coaches should stop interfering, and trying to force players into the official "England mode". OK to tweak imperfections, but it was their natural talent that got them selected BEFORE the coaches / sports psychologists starting mucking them about.

  • Nutcutlet on January 15, 2014, 10:54 GMT

    I've glanced through these posts. No one has offered even token support to the England management. The handling of a significant group of players:Trott, Swann, Finn - and on the evidence of Melbourne - Panesar & on the evidence of Sydney, Rankin. Then add in Root's loss of form/confidence...KP's freezing out; the handling of Bairstow, etc. etc. All this tells me (and many others) that something is deeply rotten in the England set up. It has no strategy; it would seem to have lost the confidence of the players and, most certainly, the supporters. Only the management's knee jerks from time to time. And Cook remains as captain whilst his runs scored in important matches have dried up completely. In a Hierarchy, we all know where the buck stops. The best news is the imminent arrival of Paul Downton, the new MD of the ECB. He has a can of worms to inspect, for that is what it is.

  • rickyvoncanterbury on January 15, 2014, 10:48 GMT

    @ Sir_Francis on (January 15, 2014, 10:18 GMT) I would say he would be quietly happy, he still has a reputation and no Aussie ashes baggage.

  • UsmanMuhammad on January 15, 2014, 10:41 GMT

    @LancashireHotSpot. Everybody knew that Finn was struggling for last few months - pretty normal for a sportsman - and for these obvious reasons was not selected even after ashes had gone in 14 days. But that wasn't enough for media as they kept asking unnecessary questions.

    After a long time I saw a genuine fast bowler in Finn coming through county cricket and I still hope that media lets him settle and enjoy his game.

    Why did Swann retire mid series. I know he later said that he had made up his mind. But he was so much criticized for one bad series and definitely was a factor in his premature retirement.

  • Sir_Francis on January 15, 2014, 10:18 GMT

    What must Graham Onions be thinking about this tour?

  • Lmaotsetung on January 15, 2014, 10:13 GMT

    Problem with Finn was that when he first burst onto the scene (tour of bangladesh) he was falling over after his delivery 1-2 times per over. That created a very dangerous situation where he can easily get hurt. So back to the drawing board after the Bangladesh tour and the changes made was to run in closer to the stumps. That added a yard or two of pace but had the effect of him knocking off the stumps 3-4 times per over (hence the new no-ball law). So here we are, a great talent, but lost somewhere are his confidence, skills, techniques, etc. This is how we got to the Finn we see today....a very sad story indeed.

  • rickyvoncanterbury on January 15, 2014, 10:10 GMT

    @ liz1558 on (January 15, 2014, 9:45 GMT) Just because Swann had little impact has more to say about his form against Australia rather than the curators not "helping him out"

  • on January 15, 2014, 10:05 GMT

    Thanks to the England management and coaches for ruining a fantastic bowler by tinkering with things that didn't need changing. Yeah he kicked the stumps over, but if you hadn't changed things before that, that wouldn't have happened. Genius move gentlemen and I hope you feel guilty

  • LancashireHotSpot on January 15, 2014, 9:58 GMT

    @UsmanMuhammad - Not too sure where you get the 'mental breakdown' thing from? As far as we can deduce from this article Finn is still struggling with his action to the extent that his confidence has failed and he can't be considered for selection. Hardly a mental breakdown. I'm sure a break from cricket and some work at county level will rectify the situation and subsequently increase his confidence. And as for your allusion to other England players suffering mental health issues (I assume you're referring to Jonathan Trott) it might be worth bearing in mind that depression is one of the most common illnesses in the world and has not necessarily come about as a result of the stresses of professional sport. As far as we have been told Trott's been handling his illness for quite some time prior to the Ashes.

  • JG2704 on January 15, 2014, 9:53 GMT

    I really wish people would ask Cook/Flower and co the questions that we all want answered like

    1-Why there was no general inquest into Flower's role re the England's deterioration? 2-Why they are sticking to the same rigid formula/tactics when it's obviously not working? - Stats can be quoted about where they were at the end of 2011 to where they are now 3-Why they are treating 2 players who are in exactly the same boat (Root and Finn) differently. One probably needs a bit of game time and the other needs time off. The one that probably need some match practice is being sent home and the one who needs time out is getting ruined 4 - Why in ODIs things are going the same way and why we have one of the most exciting SF batsmen in the world who is coming in as low as number 8 AND when we're behind the game. They seem to talk about him having a big future in all cricket so why are they not trusting him up the order in SFs.Batting at 8 will not help him develop into a test player

  • geoffboyc on January 15, 2014, 9:46 GMT

    This sounds like a classic example of incompetent handling of a player and the failure to generate confidence. Everyone who watches cricket knew there were some rough edges to Finn but it seems the remedies dreamed up by one or other of the back-up army were worse than the problem itself and have contributed to a lack of belief. Jimmy Anderson suffered significant problems for a couple of seasons when the England camp first got hold of him and interfered too much too soon with his natural bowling action. Fortunately he reverted to something like his original action but at lower pace. Hopefully, for Steven's sake he can get back to what he does best.

  • liz1558 on January 15, 2014, 9:45 GMT

    @disco bob - nice to see that hubris hasn't clouded your judgement. Apart from Lord's, Swann had little impact - Anderson and Broad won the other two games. Isn't it bedtime for the Audries? Time to give your brain a rest. Night night.

  • on January 15, 2014, 9:36 GMT

    Well now... with England as horribly depleted as they are, and the victorious comments from the Aussie quarter... better not lose any of the remaining games. Just saying.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on January 15, 2014, 9:33 GMT

    I think it's more likely Finn's form and confidence took a battering in the previous Ashes series in England. He was somewhat scapegoated after the first test at Trent Bridge - a ground where he has struggled previously anyway - despite not exactly flopping, and bowled no worse to the Australian tail than the other seamers. Overlooked for Lords which is his favourite hunting ground, and never really looked like an integral part of any teams since. It is apparent he is undergoing some sort of remodelling of his bowling action? I was under the impression his habit of knocking the non-strikers stumps had already been extinguished, so the phrase "if something ain't broken, do you really have to fix it?" springs to mind yet again...

  • liz1558 on January 15, 2014, 9:31 GMT

    @Dark Harlequin - excellent point. England can't continue with the risk-free strategies of Flower and Cook when the tactics have been failing for the last two years. A failing coach will never step down willingly - Mickey Arthur, Duncan Fletcher, and any football manager - they have to be sacked or pushed into resigning. Tough, but Paul Downtown's first job may be using a hatchet.

  • UsmanMuhammad on January 15, 2014, 9:21 GMT

    Not surprised, that another English player is close to mental break down!!!!! All the credit goes to english media for making life of the players hell. They are always searching for headlines out of nothing. Throughout the series they kept talking of giant bowlers not getting opportunity and when Rankin got one, see what happened to him. Same is the phenomenon in other english sports. Couple of days ago they reported "Andy Murray practicing hard in searing heat" Did this have to be a news!!!!!!!!

  • Youcannotbowlshorttoadamgilchrist on January 15, 2014, 9:09 GMT

    When asking for his autograph in summer 2011 I thanked Steven for his part in retaining The Ashes around six months before. He smiled and seemed slightly surprised someone should have brought it up - as though it was an obscure achievement from his schooldays or much earlier in his career known only to a few. Such modesty in an elite sportsman is refreshing and touching. He clearly has enormous ability and I am sure he will be regaining and retaining The Ashes for many years yet. Good on you, Finny!

  • rickyvoncanterbury on January 15, 2014, 9:04 GMT

    come on Bob, you should treat the English and Indians with the same respect as they do us, oh hang on, keep up the good work, and keep the humour coming, I have been reading your posts for a couple of years now, never thought of you as a troll .

  • TheBigBoodha on January 15, 2014, 9:04 GMT

    This is pretty sad news, actually. One poster here said a friend saw him bowling in the nets recently and that he was a complete mess, no rhythm line and his action had completely deteriorated to the point where he was basically throwing it. Nobody wants to see good talent wasted. The good news is that he is still young, and has time to pull himself together. I also have to wonder whether he might have an undetected physical/physiological ailment. I won't speculate, but some kinds of conditions can cause these kinds of problems. I sure hope this isn't the case for Finn.

  • on January 15, 2014, 8:57 GMT

    The problem sounds like Giles and people around him, criticising his technique endlessly, dropping him from the test series in England even though he took valuable wickets, the guy should be a regular for England. His problem of kicking the stumps didn't require a change if technique, he just had to not hit the stumps. England deserve whatever is happening and will happen to them.

  • Harlequin. on January 15, 2014, 8:57 GMT

    I don't think he is one of the few English bowlers capable of pushing 90mph. For example, there were a couple of spells in the last test where Broad was consistently above 90, but for some reason (I suspect orders from the management) bowled 85 most of the time. The English bowlers can bowl fast (maybe not Freddie 'Mitch' Mercury fast) but to do so would involve taking risks, and we all know Flower & Cook's stance on risk...

  • Bockee on January 15, 2014, 8:38 GMT

    LOL @Stu Warren - you've made my morning with that one!

  • Jeeves_ on January 15, 2014, 8:34 GMT

    Real sign that Cook/Flower combination need to go, along with their bowling coach. What is happening to this team...losing 3 players mentally shot - Trott, Swann, Finn - that's an astonishing number, and clearly the management is not right.

  • RogerC on January 15, 2014, 8:31 GMT

    Too much hype will lead to disaster. England thoroughly deserves this humiliation. Read this article on English team's super duper preparation. http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2013-14/content/story/686599.html

  • disco_bob on January 15, 2014, 8:28 GMT

    @zenboomerang, don't label me a troll because I say what many australians think. I can clearly remember when Starc and Pattinson and Cummins particularly, burst on to the scene when it loooked like MJ was finished. All cricket lovers in Australia looked forward to facing England in England on pitches that would be more conducive to our new young quicks. I think everyone on both sides wanted to see something like the O5 series. OK we didn't end up playing Starc and Cummins, but we had some seriously fast guys and it looked like it was going to be a good contest. Then lo and behold, bone dry rank turners! tailor made for Swann. You guys probably would have won anyway but that was such an insult to the cricket watching public and that in a nutshell is why it's not 'gloating' but rather a satisfaction that England are getting what they deserve.

  • neil99 on January 15, 2014, 8:26 GMT

    Trott, Swann and now Finn. What more does the ECB need to prove the management team of Cook, Flower, Gooch and Saker must be jettisoned.

    And disco_bob, of course noting where you hail from you've forgotten 3 important things. Australia being smashed by India, whereas England won; how much of a reversal is it, considering the harping on of how close the teams were last summer; and Bordeaux obliterates Grange on every day of the week. And always will.

  • neil99 on January 15, 2014, 8:26 GMT

    Trott, Swann and now Finn. What more does the ECB need to prove the management team of Cook, Flower, Gooch and Saker must be jettisoned.

    And disco_bob, of course noting where you hail from you've forgotten 3 important things. Australia being smashed by India, whereas England won; how much of a reversal is it, considering the harping on of how close the teams were last summer; and Bordeaux obliterates Grange on every day of the week. And always will.

  • yorkslanka on January 15, 2014, 8:26 GMT

    Is it me or is there more to this than it seems? Surely whilst he has not been selected, Finn has been practising hard to try and force his way in. He is a very good bowler so not sure what's going on...hope he gets back to his best for the young man...

  • on January 15, 2014, 8:22 GMT

    Why was Cook watching Finn 'walk through' his action and not facing him in the nets, building the poor boy's confidence back up again?

  • dunger.bob on January 15, 2014, 8:19 GMT

    At first this was a lot of fun for me. England imploding, players falling off the rails, a cold war in the dressing room, English fans and media ripping into their own blokes. ... No offence but it was like I died and went to pig heaven for a while.

    Now it's just starting to get sad. Finn is a damn good bowler. Or was. Perhaps will be again but who really knows. .. C'mon England, get it together. We've had our fun now get back into it and show us you're not as weak as you currently look.

  • Leggie on January 15, 2014, 8:10 GMT

    Sad to see Finn leave the series without making an impact. It has been quite obvious though for at least 6-7 months now that Cook/Flower does not have confidence in Finn, and to be fair to the captain & coach, he never gave the impression that he is ready to fight it out & prove them wrong. The problem of kicking the stumps seemed very minor to me. He was doing it possibly once in 10-15 overs, and it's no big deal considering that there have been bowlers who "overstepped" quite often and were still successful. Finn's decline will remain a mystery. Only he can possibly explain this sometime when he looks back at what happened with a detached state of mind. As a cricket fan, it will be nice to see someone go back to basics and make a fighting comeback. He needs to start looking at the videos of the one-series in India where he almost seemed unplayable. Good luck Finn. Hope to see you soon.

  • Rahul_78 on January 15, 2014, 8:09 GMT

    This is such a shame. A promising fast bowler has been shred to pieces. Baffling how this could happen in English teams which prides itself on meticulous planning with a huge backroom staff and specialists. No doubt you can provide a bloke with all the facilities but it is up to an individual to perform in the middle in the intense atmohphere. But Flower and Cook will have to do some answering as to why he was carried as a passenger in a grueeling and higbh profile series which mattered the most. Cant be a coincidence that he has been rightly asked to take a break when Giles has taken the charge. Also English selectors needs to answer few questions. Weather Finn was selected based on his previous performances in Australia and due to his height and hit the deck style.Wasnt the consideration given to his current form, mantle state and willingness. At the moment his and Tremletts selection looks daft when you decide to leave some one like Onions home.It relflects poorly on all concerned.

  • BradmanBestEver on January 15, 2014, 8:07 GMT

    @disco_bob! rofl - nice one - good humor is important for the soul - you do not take yourself too seriously it seems - way to go mate!

  • zenboomerang on January 15, 2014, 7:58 GMT

    What has the management done to bring about the collapse of a very good team - Trott, Swann, Finn + Pietersen missing from most ODI & T20 matches over the last 2 years - while they hold their jobs?...

    Staggered disbelief. Embarrassed for the Poms during the Tests, now this. Not sure what to say to the grandkids when we go to the Gabba - a team in transition, bad selectors, poor managers?...

    I don't like winning when its like this - sad, very sad...

  • zenboomerang on January 15, 2014, 7:55 GMT

    @disco_bob - gloating when a team is down is very poor form, reminds me of another troll here. Take the grace to say we are more balanced atm while rebuilding. Our batting is still a very weak point in the longer version...

  • Ross_Co on January 15, 2014, 7:54 GMT

    They're escaping one by one! Can no-one see this? The whole lot will get away if we don't stop them.

  • BradmanBestEver on January 15, 2014, 7:50 GMT

    I suggest the English selectors remove Anderson who is just a "serviceable" performer as his recent record shows.

    KP also has to go and should never have been let back into the team after the Strauss affair.

    Both of these overrated, aging individuals are taking up space for someone more worthy of a place in the English test team.

  • on January 15, 2014, 7:48 GMT

    This is the major difference between Eng & other Nations. When Eng start losing and their players gets out of Form or bashed severely by Opposition this is most simplest excuse to leave the Team midway saying you are not in a mindset to continue. If you are not mentally strong than you are not fit for International Sports. Major reason why England Play good Cricket only in patches and brief period. In just few Series they have all new bunch of Players. They are really not consistent enough.

  • lebigfella on January 15, 2014, 7:42 GMT

    Always felt that while SF is a real talent he lacks the nasty streak needed to be a great fast bowler. This however doesn't excuse the lack of belief seemingly shown by the England management on this tour. If he wasn't right or they didn't truly rate him then why waste everybody's time (and money) & take him on tour? He would've been better having a winter in e.g. NZ playing first class cricket and getting his belief, form & confidence back. He has been messed about throughout his international career. Either show belief and give him a decent run or let him play regularly for a first class team who wants him & has 100% faith in him... when he's in form he is an exceptional quick bowler. Hope he gets everything sorted ASAP

  • CricketingStargazer on January 15, 2014, 7:41 GMT

    I can understand why some people want to inflate the importance of this issue. The poor guy has had a tough time. A daft rule change to avoid a trivial question has obliged him to re-jig his action. As a result he has lost form and confidence. He's on a tour where he is not going to play and that is at the hit and giggle final stages. Let him go home and sort himself out away from the glare of scrutiny. It is just common-sense. Nothing to do with giving up.

  • on January 15, 2014, 7:38 GMT

    Seriously, what is happening to the team ? Thought it was too many big egos but now poor management appears at fault as well!

  • bobmartin on January 15, 2014, 7:38 GMT

    I despair.. everything is falling apart at the seams... Paul Downton must be ruing the day he accepted his job... Good luck...Paul, you'll need it... plus nerves of steel and an axe to get rid of all the dead wood in the England set-up... If ever there was proof of the thruth in old saying that "too many cooks spoil the broth" England have provided it in plenty... Trott...Swann... and now Finn... leaving the tour.. Cook...Root and Prior unable to by a run... Anderson looking a shade of his former self... How much worse can it get before something is done... Take a leaf out of Australia's book...they didn't waste any time...and look what it's done to their game..

  • disco_bob on January 15, 2014, 7:37 GMT

    I cannot lie, I have to admit that from the final ball at the SCG I've been looking forward to the inevitable fallout from the most humiliating reversal in Test cricket history, and that is saying something. And I have not been disappointed, from the KP fiasco to the train wrecks that are Root and Cook, there seems to be so much collateral damage, the only people who seem to have come through unscathed are the chefs who are responsible for fulfilling the 82 page menu requirements. Nothing, it would appear, soothes a battered soul like a hazelnut and carob torte with rum cream and a crispy toffee glaze and a bottle of the finest Grange Hermitage.

  • Baundele on January 15, 2014, 7:32 GMT

    Finn has been in excellent form until that no ball rule ruined his rhythm.

  • DaisonGarvasis on January 15, 2014, 7:29 GMT

    One more casuality! England has got the best opportunity to start from scratch and start with new faces. Instead they are chosing to find a scapegoat in KP (where he should be the only one retained) and try to stick with rest of the old faces. Ego and Politics are what drives that team these days.

  • BradmanBestEver on January 15, 2014, 7:26 GMT

    @disco_bob - Yeah you are right - this is the important difference between the Aussie and the English players: the Aussies never say die and the English sometimes say die

    The result? we are better at cricket than them barring a few small periods of adjustment such as the past few years

  • on January 15, 2014, 7:23 GMT

    @Nuxxy ha ha good point bt maybe ECB will even restrict Finn from doing that!!!

  • liz1558 on January 15, 2014, 7:21 GMT

    @BradmanSecondBestEver - it's already in the past. And the main thing England will take from the series is that in every game the Audries were 5/6 down for nothing and over-relient on their 30 somethings. The Audries have a side built to win a series, not built to last. England will regain the Ashes at the next opportunity.

  • disco_bob on January 15, 2014, 7:18 GMT

    @ BradmanBestEver, very true even when England were pulverising us with massive innings defeats 3 years ago, MJ still managed to put a rocket up them at the WACA. Even the last 5-0 drubbing in 06-07 it looked like England were on target for an easy draw in Adelaide at one point, but in the series just gone, England did not have the smallest glimmer of hope, right the way down to it's sorry final ignominious collapse inside three days at the SCG. However I don't think Australia are finished yet, they'll want to win the ODI series 5 zip too.

  • barryrichardsfan on January 15, 2014, 7:12 GMT

    what are those highly paid coaches and the whole army for if they simply can not manage a player. This is really baffling stuff, hard to believe.

  • Nuxxy on January 15, 2014, 7:07 GMT

    Finn is young enough to emigrate to India. Go speak to Dhoni - tell him you want to play for India eventually. You will get 4 cushy seasons of IPL while you qualify, and then they will never treat you like the ECB has.

  • on January 15, 2014, 7:07 GMT

    Bad move..... I think England managment is taking decisions in a hurry.

  • on January 15, 2014, 7:04 GMT

    oh god!!! what else now??? Every rare talent is shown the door!! Nithng good wid ECB. Really smethng bizarre is happening

  • on January 15, 2014, 7:04 GMT

    oh god!!! what else now??? Every rare talent is shown the door!! Nithng good wid ECB. Really smethng bizarre is happening

  • PrasPunter on January 15, 2014, 7:02 GMT

    @Cpt.Meanster, agree with you - work should be fun and in the absence of it , the team is set to implode - something that we found out in india and Eng. And what a difference Boof's presence has made !! - still way to go but atleast the seeds have been planted for us for sure.

  • Cpt.Meanster on January 15, 2014, 7:00 GMT

    Thank you Mr. Andy Flower, you have finally done it. You have made sure a fine and talented bowler like Finn is no longer part of the England setup. How many more players are you going to 'eat up' thanks to your bygone ways ? Seriously, Andy Flower MUST go. His presence is doing a lot bad for English cricket. Cook's future as captain also needs to be re-assessed. Old school thinking is costing English cricket and they are quickly becoming the world's laughing stock. Can't play ODI cricket, can't play T20, and now they can't even play test cricket. Dear Andy, please relieve your duties as coach and kindly step down. I also hope English fans give some harsh words to David Saker, the so called 'bowling' coach. If anything, he has destroyed Finn's career.

  • BradmanBestEver on January 15, 2014, 6:58 GMT

    England must not downplay the whitewash by the Aussies. Why not? Because of the manner of the whitewash.

    Losing 5-zip is bad but when your team does not show any spirit and you get absolutely pole-axed in every game then you should be very concerned.

    One can lose 5-zip and the games can be close. But that was not the case in the recent whitewash by the Aussies.

    Let us call a spade a spade: the recent Ashes series was a flogging of biblical proportions. It was a massacre.

  • liz1558 on January 15, 2014, 6:54 GMT

    @sifter123 - good point. Everyone seems to be blaming Saker, but it is Flower who has been responsible for dropping him repeatedly. It was also Finn's wickets that got England into the Trent Bridge Test in the first place. Flower must go.

  • Cpt.Meanster on January 15, 2014, 6:46 GMT

    If there is one thing I learned about the England setup on this tour, it's the fact they blow things out of proportions for fun. Yes, they have lost the test series 5-0 and yes they lost the 1st ODI. But, it can happen to ANY team. Not so long ago, Australia were smashed 4-0 in India, lost every game of the Champions Trophy, lost 3-0 in England etc. They didn't panic like this. Instead they admitted they needed to work harder on their game and are now reaping the rewards. They didn't have players quitting tours in the middle. In spite of the homework saga, the Aussies just kept working hard and CHANGED their coach, bringing in the right man for the job - Lehmann. Yes, the key word here is CHANGE. England need CHANGE; not same old Flower and Cook at the helm. CHANGE brings a fresh start, CHANGE makes life better. So England, please CHANGE your ways. Players retiring or leaving the tour half way through is not the solution. Andy Flower must go. Cook shouldn't be captain any more.

  • disco_bob on January 15, 2014, 6:44 GMT

    He should try growing a moustache...

  • on January 15, 2014, 6:44 GMT

    First they made root to lose his confidence ,now finn.. Common finn is rank 4 in ODI's.. Drop cook,cook is the worse captain i have seen.. He lets his players down.. Ian bell is xperienced n he wont play at 3 and they want young root to play at 3. Finn has habbit of kicking stumps, but he bowls 10 and gives 48 and takes 3 wickes ,much better than bresnan...

  • on January 15, 2014, 6:39 GMT

    Will Mr. Flower take at lease a bit of responsibility or will this also be listed as a crime of Kevin Pietersen?

  • mukesh_LOVE.cricket on January 15, 2014, 6:32 GMT

    Steven finn is a fantastic talent , England with their micromanagement and army of 'coaches' is destroying hm , like they almost did with Anderson and broad , he should just go back to what he was doing earlier and everything will fall in place , a tall fast bowler who can hit the right length at 90 mph is always a threat to the batsman. in fact i remember him bowling with pace and hostility on much less helpful Indian pitches and hurrying the batsman.

  • sifter132 on January 15, 2014, 6:29 GMT

    This is what happens Mr Cook and Flower when you drain someone of confidence. You can go back to the 4th innings of the 1st Test of the Ashes in England, Finn bowls a very respectable, reasonably threatening 5 over spell to Smith and Clarke when Australia still have about 200 runs to get. Could have had Smith LBW with an extra inch, had Clarke edging through a wide slip area. I could even argue that his good spell opened it up for Anderson/Swann straight after that. Anyway, from that point Finn bowled a mere 2 more overs, even with Broad not 100% fit. Anderson bowled 15 in a row or something stupid. Cook clearly didn't trust Finn in an important situation. It's not the first time, but now it seems like it might be the last. You just can't treat your bowlers like that. Either they are good enough to play, or they aren't. When your captain doubts your ability, how is the player supposed to 'back himself'??

  • on January 15, 2014, 6:23 GMT

    people need to stop referring to England's test squad as a 'team'.... it is a unit full of individuals run by bureaucrats.... Andy Flower the CEO supported by a backroom staff full of yes men... Alistair Cook is a patsy who lacks the confidence to speak up when things are being handled wrongly such as the exclusion and marginalization of Finn and the bizarre selections of Rankin and Carberry and the mismanagement of Joe Root..... Andrew Strauss would not have tolerated this...

  • RyanHarrisGreatCricketer on January 15, 2014, 6:22 GMT

    gobsmacked thats all i can say

  • on January 15, 2014, 6:16 GMT

    I truly believe that there is something seriously wrong with ENGLISH coaching Staffs. Finn is a good bowler and to be frank I don't want to see cook as a captain ever again. remembered the first Ashes test in England Hadin attacked him but if u go back to the highlights u will see that Hadin was just swinging his bat. It was a bad decision not to play him again. they put mediocre Besrnan and unfit Boyd in front of Finn in Australian pitches even non test team managements have better cricketing sense then them. put your regular player England example Broad, Anderson, KP and Finn in all three formats otherwise u won't even qualify in the second round in WC 2015.

  • on January 15, 2014, 6:12 GMT

    Why would the English selection committee kick him out?? he is one of the best English bowlers at the moment.

  • the_blue_android on January 15, 2014, 6:11 GMT

    They got to be kidding me. Can they do any worse than they are at the moment? No chance!

  • dsig3 on January 15, 2014, 6:09 GMT

    If he was in the Aus setup there is no way rubbish like this would happen. Instead he would be injured :). But seriously, how did England go wrong with this bloke? A year or so ago it seemed like he was about to be the most dangerous bowler in the world. Now he cant even get a spot against Tremlett.

  • PrasPunter on January 15, 2014, 6:04 GMT

    awesome. I can do what Finn did throughout the summer - carry drinks, bowl some half-trackers in practice games, at half the price - am i eligible for a spot in the English touring party ?

  • on January 15, 2014, 5:59 GMT

    So much for the selectors, coach and captain. They could not organise a drink up in a brewery. Finn is a better bowler any day than Bresnan. Can you ever forget how SL batsman treated Bresnan at Heddingly?. You have a nucleus of cricket administrators who still want the boys in their collars and ties. Sad day for England. We are good buying in foreign players and destroying local grown talent.

  • number-09 on January 15, 2014, 5:58 GMT

    He has to go back to his old run up and bowling action. if he has proven to be less effective its he is not comfortable with the unnatural action. They have broken his rythm. who says that you have to bowl close to the stumps to be effective. have him to come at a slight angle, wide off the stumps, off his long run and let his natural rythm do the rest.

  • mk49_van on January 15, 2014, 5:57 GMT

    The whole team is falling apart.

  • SirBobJones on January 15, 2014, 5:48 GMT

    He's been with them the whole time up to now, I would think it'd be do more harm than good confidence-wise to be sent back for that reason..."not only are you not good enough to be on the team, even as a squad member you're not what we want". Surely let him stay the remaining part of the tour and bowl in the nets to (presumably) the best one-day batsmen his country has. After that he'll have a long time back home to be out of the "performance environment".

  • on January 15, 2014, 5:25 GMT

    Finn has a better record than the current crop of English seamers and he deserved a fair run in the ODI games. The pacy australian wickets would have suited his brand of bowling.

  • jimmy787 on January 15, 2014, 5:24 GMT

    @BradmanBestEver - completely agree.

    Instruct him bowl with the natural action he's always had, and aim to hit top of off stump at a decent pace (135-140k).

    I sometimes get the impression they have so many coaches that they all try to justify their position in the squad by changing too many things.

    England are a rabble, with no light at the end of the tunnel at the moment.

  • 512fm on January 15, 2014, 5:21 GMT

    Wow this is an absolute shambles, something has seriously gone wrong for this to happen to a guy who has already taken 90 test wickets. Surely Saker needs to be sacked, this is the same guy that almost ruined Stuart Broad.

  • RG2008 on January 15, 2014, 5:18 GMT

    Poor bloke - England have done a great job of screwing him up. Cricket needs fast bowlers so lets hope he makes it back onto the international scene.

  • Biggus on January 15, 2014, 5:17 GMT

    What a shambles, something is indeed rotten somewhere.....

  • on January 15, 2014, 5:16 GMT

    The way England has treated their bowlers Finn, Tremlett and Rankin is surprising. If you chose some players, you trust them to do the job. But Tremlett was discarded after one match where has performance was decent if not great, Rankin was thrust in the final match with his confidence at the lowest point and Finn never trusted at all. Granted they did not really set the world on fire during the practice matches, but they are international level bowlers and should have been trusted to do the job. Even Bresnan who is really a very average bowler got a chance ahead of these folks though he was not even part of the squad. Poor Onions must be thinking what else he needs to do to get into this team. Conditions always matter but teams should try to chose their best bowlers irrespective of the conditions.

  • on January 15, 2014, 5:04 GMT

    send the entire team home as no one is batting or bowling so let them all go and save the summer turmoil.

  • MrKricket on January 15, 2014, 5:04 GMT

    Hope he enjoyed his Australian holiday! You've got to wonder what the selectors were thinking to bring him here and not give him a go at all.

  • playfaircricket on January 15, 2014, 4:56 GMT

    Than why Did the ecb selected him ahead of onions for the ashes , This is really ridiculous to hear , England Board thus not thinking of win

    Ecb thus take the ODI cricket Seriously in Tests they will play dot dot dot dot dot out

  • Punter.Pratik on January 15, 2014, 4:55 GMT

    Another bizarre decision.Give him one game atleast..you're losing everything anyways

  • BradmanBestEver on January 15, 2014, 4:54 GMT

    The answer? Top of off stump

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  • BradmanBestEver on January 15, 2014, 4:54 GMT

    The answer? Top of off stump

  • Punter.Pratik on January 15, 2014, 4:55 GMT

    Another bizarre decision.Give him one game atleast..you're losing everything anyways

  • playfaircricket on January 15, 2014, 4:56 GMT

    Than why Did the ecb selected him ahead of onions for the ashes , This is really ridiculous to hear , England Board thus not thinking of win

    Ecb thus take the ODI cricket Seriously in Tests they will play dot dot dot dot dot out

  • MrKricket on January 15, 2014, 5:04 GMT

    Hope he enjoyed his Australian holiday! You've got to wonder what the selectors were thinking to bring him here and not give him a go at all.

  • on January 15, 2014, 5:04 GMT

    send the entire team home as no one is batting or bowling so let them all go and save the summer turmoil.

  • on January 15, 2014, 5:16 GMT

    The way England has treated their bowlers Finn, Tremlett and Rankin is surprising. If you chose some players, you trust them to do the job. But Tremlett was discarded after one match where has performance was decent if not great, Rankin was thrust in the final match with his confidence at the lowest point and Finn never trusted at all. Granted they did not really set the world on fire during the practice matches, but they are international level bowlers and should have been trusted to do the job. Even Bresnan who is really a very average bowler got a chance ahead of these folks though he was not even part of the squad. Poor Onions must be thinking what else he needs to do to get into this team. Conditions always matter but teams should try to chose their best bowlers irrespective of the conditions.

  • Biggus on January 15, 2014, 5:17 GMT

    What a shambles, something is indeed rotten somewhere.....

  • RG2008 on January 15, 2014, 5:18 GMT

    Poor bloke - England have done a great job of screwing him up. Cricket needs fast bowlers so lets hope he makes it back onto the international scene.

  • 512fm on January 15, 2014, 5:21 GMT

    Wow this is an absolute shambles, something has seriously gone wrong for this to happen to a guy who has already taken 90 test wickets. Surely Saker needs to be sacked, this is the same guy that almost ruined Stuart Broad.

  • jimmy787 on January 15, 2014, 5:24 GMT

    @BradmanBestEver - completely agree.

    Instruct him bowl with the natural action he's always had, and aim to hit top of off stump at a decent pace (135-140k).

    I sometimes get the impression they have so many coaches that they all try to justify their position in the squad by changing too many things.

    England are a rabble, with no light at the end of the tunnel at the moment.