The Ashes 2013

Haddin back as Clarke's lieutenant

Daniel Brettig

April 23, 2013

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Australia's selectors are expected to name Brad Haddin as Michael Clarke's vice-captain and No. 1 gloveman for the tour of England, reverting to the leadership duo that delivered a 4-0 hiding of India on home soil two summers ago.

An Ashes squad of 16 is set to be revealed on Wednesday in Sydney, with Haddin's return to a post he has held sporadically in the past forcing a change in the wicketkeeping hierarchy. The younger keeper Matthew Wade will again be held in reserve after a year in the Test side, though both will be in the tour party. Wade has the chance to force his way into the XI as a batsman.

The former Test No. 3 Shaun Marsh is also looming as a surprise inclusion, his unarguable talent believed to have won the selectors over despite a poorly recent record. Not since his Test debut in Sri Lanka in 2011 has Marsh made a first-class century, and during the 2012-13 Australian summer he cobbled 152 runs at 19 in four Sheffield Shield matches.

Nevertheless, Marsh showed improved results from the moment the former Australia batting coach Justin Langer took over as coach of Western Australia in mid-season, excelling in the Big Bash League and then making a century for Australia A against the England Lions in Hobart before suffering a serious hamstring tear that he has only just recovered from.

Marsh's selection would be a blow to the international claims of numerous other batsmen, including the longtime reserve Usman Khawaja, the Twenty20 captain and ODI regular George Bailey, and the prolific top-order batsman Chris Rogers.

Among the bowlers, the young left-arm spinner Ashton Agar and the allrounder James Faulkner are thought to be vying for the final spot. Still a teenager, Agar turned plenty of heads for his composure and skill with the ball and the bat during his limited appearances for Western Australia during the summer, and went to India as an intern in the early part of a sorry tour.


Shaun Marsh scored 81, Sri Lanka v Australia, 3rd Test, SSC, Colombo, 1st day, September 16, 2011
Shaun Marsh has emerged as a surprise contender for a recall to the Test squad © AFP
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Faulkner's allround skill and fiery temperament are admired by the selectors, and will be afforded extra experience of English conditions by the Australia A tour that precedes the Ashes. By naming 16, the selectors may leave themselves room to make an addition to the Test squad after glimpsing the Australia A tourists.

They are also keeping one eye on the diplomatic progress of the Pakistan-raised legspinner Fawad Ahmed, who is now unlikely to be granted a passport in time for the start of the England tour but may become eligible soon after. It is not inconceivable that he may be added to the Ashes squad following the second Test of the series at Lord's.

Mitchell Johnson is not expected to be chosen after a poor tour of India, in which he was one of the four players suspended, and four years on from a nightmarish 2009 Ashes series he began as the world's top-rated bowler but ended as the enigma he has remained to this day.

Haddin's expected appointment as vice-captain, only days after Shane Watson relinquished the post, is an acknowledgement of the leadership vacuum that opened up in the Australian Test side in India after the retirements of Ricky Ponting and Michael Hussey.

An ankle sprain to Wade during the tour forced Haddin to be flown over as a replacement, and he then became the acting captain in the field during the third Test in Mohali when Clarke suffered from the back trouble that would rule him out of the fourth match. Haddin's presence on tour was welcomed, providing the sort of experience, wisdom and discipline lacking earlier in the trip, as demonstrated by the suspension of four players for failing to complete basic tasks.

Clarke and Haddin have been close friends and tactical confidantes for many years, ever since the wicketkeeper captained a young Clarke with New South Wales in the years before his Test debut in India in 2004. They formed a successful leadership axis during the home Tests against India in 2011-12, when Watson was absent due to injury.

Possible Ashes squad Michael Clarke (capt), Brad Haddin (vice-capt, wk), David Warner, Ed Cowan, Phillip Hughes, Shane Watson, Steve Smith, Shaun Marsh, Matthew Wade (wk), Ryan Harris, Peter Siddle, James Pattinson, Mitchell Starc, Nathan Lyon, Ashton Agar, Jackson Bird.

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Posted by leighsydneychina on (April 24, 2013, 1:42 GMT)

Brad Haddin back. Shaun Marsh included? And as discussed here, a lot of "pretenders". The New Order of test selection appears to be the same as the last selection. Australia used to be a great team because the baggy green was an acheivement. Now it seems to be a stepping stone to IPL selection. There is no toughness to this team. Clarke is a good captain, but does lack some vision on the field. Who has he got for support? Now he has Haddin, who, according to the selectors, was not good enough to get a spot in the test team for the past year!

The Ashes will remain in England because they are MUCH better at doing what Australia USED to do.

Posted by shamlaatu on (April 24, 2013, 1:36 GMT)

I believe Usman Khawaja should be given 10 straight tests and 20 straight ODI's in all fairness and let him build some confidence and prove his playing skills. These guys at CA have literally butchered his career. I firmly believe Usman Khawaja is WAY AHEAD of Shaun Marsh.

Posted by runout49 on (April 24, 2013, 0:39 GMT)

Paine instead of Wade. Former Australian U19 captain so let's build for the future. For the doubters look at the figures for Hughes in the UK and remember Hilfy's contribution last time in England. If Ponting had bowled him at the end of the England second innings at Swansea England wouldn't have managed a draw.

Posted by   on (April 23, 2013, 22:16 GMT)

What about Edward Jones as a specialist vice captain. He's proven at state level that he can lead a team and command a dressing room. Or will Australia's phobia of giving a bowler any responsibility mean he is overlooked?

Posted by Chris_P on (April 23, 2013, 22:04 GMT)

@SirViv1973. Agree with your point re: Khawaja. His slackness to training was the main reason he has been held back, hopefully that talent he has will blossom. Smith is a different case. Not as talented as the other 2, but simple sheer hard work has turned his game around, his average is climbing alongside his improved technique. As his confidence rises (& we saw glimpses of his it in India) so will his contributions. A sublime fielder & ultimate team man ticks the right boxes unlike S. Marsh who has a history of ill disciplined ventures plus a serious lack of form. On another note, the headlines are clearly misleading, the side has NOT been selected yet, so will people please stop complimenting or bagging the selectors until it selections are announced.

Posted by Meety on (April 23, 2013, 22:03 GMT)

@katandthat3 on (April 23, 2013, 21:02 GMT) "...Can Cosgrove see this window of opportunity and lose 20kg and put himself in contention?" - I know what you mean, but IMO - I would consider him anyway - as he consistantly been near (or at) - the top of the Shield run-scorers for several years.

Posted by Mr.Cr1cket on (April 23, 2013, 22:02 GMT)

I think playing Haddin is a bad move because he is 35 and has no future but Wade is only 25 and will be able to play for many more years. Also I think that Shaun Marsh and Mitchell Marsh should only play shorter formats for Australia. Shaun Marsh gets to nervous and you shouldn't pick a team just on raw skill. I think Rogers is the better option for a top-order batsmen. Also for my second spinner I would pick Fawad Ahmed. Obviously he is not available so I would not pick a second spinner in the squad but I would take Ashton Agar for experience. I think Jackson Bird will be more suited to English conditions that Pattinson. Therefore my starting XI for the fist Test is Warner, Rogers, Cowan, Hughes, Clarke, Bailey, Wade (wk), Starc, Siddle, Lyon, Bird.

Posted by Truemans_Ghost on (April 23, 2013, 21:42 GMT)

Real shame about Johnson not being selected- most England fans were looking forward to seeing him again. Most will find consolation in Hughes being in the squad, however.

Posted by   on (April 23, 2013, 21:21 GMT)

I have to say that I prefer Haddin being VC than Watson. Including Haddin means we have a better keeper and Wade needs to work on his skills. His batting form in the year before he ruled himself out of the test team was abysmal but he is in good form so far this year and seems to save his best for England. I do expect Wade to be rotated into a few games as batsman though.

Posted by katandthat3 on (April 23, 2013, 21:02 GMT)

I'm a massive fan of Shaun Marsh but must admit I was surprised to see him a chance for the main Ashes squad. His second half of the year was really good particularly in short form cricket in both Ryobi, Aussie A and ODI, so I would have picked him for the Champs Trophy without a doubt and the Aussie A tour of the UK. He's an amazing talent but I hope they don't throw him under the bus and rush him back like they did for the Indian Series a few years back. Would have liked to seen a strong SS season to give him confidence in that form of the game.Rogers would have been a smart choice but if they dropped Katich.... I hope Sayers & Butterworth get picked for the A tour along with Doolan, Ferguson & Burns. Bailey might captain the A Tour if he misses the main squad. Paine or Hartley for A tour? Good to see either there. Can Cosgrove see this window of opportunity and lose 20kg and put himself in contention?

Posted by pat_one_back on (April 23, 2013, 20:46 GMT)

Delighted to hear Hadds is back, may not have set the world on fire in India but he looked at home at the crease, his straight game is spot on for Eng conditions as he's proven previously. Where has Rogers gone though? With Rogers and Hadds either side of him Clarke has a fighting chance. Until Warner, Hughes & Cowan cement themselves or otherwise, there is simply no room for UK, Smith, Marsh or Wade. Pick 3 of the 7 then it's 1 in 1 out, experienced heads & hands (Rogers, Haddin, Vogues, Bailey) deserve more credit in the selection process, guys who've worked hard enough and respect the opportunity... and remember to do their homework.

Posted by dickgillifp on (April 23, 2013, 20:34 GMT)

Australia's fast bowling resources look pretty good to me and all I think, except possibly Bird, have some experience in English conditions, but what has happened to Pat Cummins who a year or so back looked to be the best prospect of the lot? Injured? Always rated Marsh but then I saw him playing spin, Swann will welcome his inclusion. Australia a pushover? Not a chance, England is not the subcontinent and neither the batting or bowling impressed in NZ, Finn needs to step up.

Posted by SirViv1973 on (April 23, 2013, 19:18 GMT)

Cont. I think its fair to say UK would have been vying for a middle order slot with Marsh & Smith.UK ave 29.22 in 6 tests, Marsh 27.36 in 7 & Smith 32.30, when you consider Marsh is the only 1 to score a test hundred there is little to choose between the 3. In FC terms UK 42.9 in 61, SM 35.77 in 77 & SS 41.65 in 40. Marsh's record is not as good as the other 2 but in real terms Smith's in no worse than UK, UK certainly isn't vastly superior & none of the 3 are outstanding, so I really don't see where the outstanding case for UK is coming from.

Posted by zeus_kris on (April 23, 2013, 19:16 GMT)

This is a team full of pretenders. Warner, Cowan, Watson, Hughes, Smith, Siddle all are just pretenders. No consistency in performance. With this squad, aussies are sure going to be whitewashed 5-0 in England.

The team needs solidity. Usman is not in the squad because he hasn't played? Whose fault is that he was always carried around as a reserve player but not got a game?

Hopefully this Ashes series in England will see the end of both Warner and Hughes. Australia would then be forced to select a better squad for the Ashes series in Australia.

Posted by ThyrSaadam on (April 23, 2013, 19:05 GMT)

As an outsider (Indian cricket supporter, but not their administration!) , the results of the OZ tour will have 0 bearing on the ashes. It does not require a seasoned pro to understand that. Haddin does bring a lot of experience, but perhaps they should trust one of Hilfenhaus or Mitchell Jhonson to swing the ball to get wickets. As far as the batting is concerned, i think the selectors need to swallow their pride and bring Katich back in? I have been following the IPL, and cant figure why Hodge was given so few chances. They just need to look back at what Michael Hussey accomplished for a late start in internation cricket. Cowan seems to be the sort of a batsmen who will spend about 80-100 balls an innings, does not seem to have the ability to bat for longer durations?

Posted by   on (April 23, 2013, 18:59 GMT)

What happened to Pat Cummins?

Posted by SirViv1973 on (April 23, 2013, 18:58 GMT)

@AhmedEsat, The first thing I need to make clear is that I'm not saying the selectors are right to leave out Khawlja but what I am saying is that his record does not make him an automatic choice & by not getting stacks of runs at FC level he has given the selectors the choice not to select him & they haven't . I think there is a feeling among a lot of oz fans that he is some kind of savior but his stats suggest nothing of the sort. As @Shaggy076 points out he should have been one of the first players to complete the homework task, had he done so I think there is little doubt he would have played in the 3rd test ahead of Steve Smith. Instead SS got an opportunity & took it by scoring 92 & thus making it near impossible for the selectors not to pick him for the ashes. In the end by not playing UK escaped the criticism leveled at the other oz batsman who did play, can anyone truthfully say that if he would have played in the series he would have done any better than those who did?

Posted by   on (April 23, 2013, 18:28 GMT)

Dont go by the results of wat happened on spinning tracks in india...this team will look completely different in english seeming conditions and will give England a run for their money!!

Posted by Siddharth194 on (April 23, 2013, 17:40 GMT)

At least one of Brad Hodge,Adam Voges,Chris Rogers,David Hussey,Callum Ferguson should be included.Also Steve O'Keefe in the spin department(with his batting) and Tim Paine(in place of Wade..and he has experience of playing in England) should be much better.Else no chance of beating England with this squad full of amateur batsmen.

Posted by Batmanian on (April 23, 2013, 17:13 GMT)

In Marsh's favour, he is the only potential proper first drop we have. Warner could possibly do it, but not Hughes. Not Watson; he opens, or he's sixth, or he's out. Maybe Khawaja if he succeeds at five or six.

I guess the most exciting news is that Cowan might have to go. Feldman/Haim - Watson and Warner - opening, Marsh, Hughes, Clarke, Khawaja, Haddin if they must, Pattinson, Harris, Siddle, Lyon.

Warner and Rogers/Cowan, with Watson instead of Khawaja, is the other scenario. If Marsh can perform, the team suddenly looks formidable - that's what you want from first drop.

Posted by siddhartha87 on (April 23, 2013, 16:47 GMT)

Aussies must play specialist batsmen, enough of Smith,Maxwell,Henriques type of batsmen.This Ashes will be acid test for Hughes and Watson.Will be good to see Rogers or Doolan in the the side. My XI: Warner,Watson,E.Cowan,P.Hughes,Clarke,Rogers,Haddin,Siddle,Pattinson,Harris,Lyon

Reserves:Marsh,Bird,Starc,Wade,Agar

Posted by anuajm on (April 23, 2013, 16:27 GMT)

Australia are showing little bit of muddled thinking in handling their team. They almost ended Haddin's career with Wade doing decently well, but as soon as Wade started to flop, they reverted back to Haddin which probably is the right decision but not handled well. In b/w Tim Paine has no idea what is happening. Some players are selected on hunch but very few of them are successful, example - Sehwag in Australia 2008. But players should mostly get selected on form. Marsh as such might not be a good selection. Australia made a mistake of selecting Maxwell and Moises (who did decently well and now finds himself out of the team for England where he might do well) but now again repeating this. Ashton Agar? Seriously? Where is Johnson, one bad match and he is out? And why not Rogers, just because he is 35 and can only play a couple of years? What good will the future do if Australia loses the Ashes which they most love? Get a winning team not a team for the future. USMAN KHAWAJA, period.

Posted by TeamRocker on (April 23, 2013, 16:12 GMT)

Pleased to see Haddin back. He can provide experience and stability down the order. Being dropped for a while will probably get Wade to work extra hard to re-gain his place in the squad, and that could be the making of him. And Marsh, I have to say, is a batsmen of immense talent and is probably one of the classiest players going around. Thing is, he's mentally fragile. He needs to toughen up, and could become a huge asset for Australia.

I think there IS enough talent in Australian Domestic and International cricket to make it a real world power again, but what it lacks internationally is pressure applied on the players to keep their spot (Look at Warner and Watson). If CA can make sure that every Australian player gives his best to stay in, then good times are ahead.

Posted by   on (April 23, 2013, 16:08 GMT)

Poor thing.. Haddin back.. selectors have gone sick.. I would say Warner would have been a better choice.. My team would be- Warner, Watso, Cowan, (Hughes, Khwaja or Marsh), Clarke, Bailey, Wade, Flaunker, Bird, Starc, Pattinson, Doherty, Haddin.

Posted by Simoc on (April 23, 2013, 15:37 GMT)

I'de like to see Faulkner in place of Agar or as well as. The English top order will be pleased to see Siddle in the team. No worries there, he'll get a maiden or two. That would be our most talented team but it's time for them to perform.

Posted by   on (April 23, 2013, 15:12 GMT)

Haddin in, Wade out - says who? What is the source of this information? No where in this article are we given anything to back up it's claims. This article could be a complete fabrication as far as we know.

Posted by Batmanian on (April 23, 2013, 15:10 GMT)

I've been saying Khawaja's going to picked without really deserving the third chance, and now when I look at the squad without him (and Fairfax's Wu and Saltau are taking a similar line), I feel a bit queasy. The selectors remain deeply mysterious!

Posted by citizenkc on (April 23, 2013, 15:00 GMT)

Good luck, Aussies, but let's face it: this team is not going to get back the Ashes. This has got to be one of the weakest Aussie batting sides in a long time. They are not going to be scoring a lot of runs against Anderson and Swann. The bowling is OK, but Pattinson and Harris are prone to injuries, and the England batting line-up is second only to SA; they are going to make a bunch of runs. I predict a couple of close games, but the Pommies should win easily: 3-1 or 3-0, I say.

Posted by SirViv1973 on (April 23, 2013, 14:52 GMT)

@Mattboosa, I think the 92 Smith got in Ind made it very difficult for the selectors to drop him. After all Clarke was the only Specialist batsman to make a higher individual score

Posted by AKS286 on (April 23, 2013, 14:34 GMT)

Now comes the real deal the second best batsman of Aus Shaun Marsh. He is the talented one but ignored. Very strange to see there is no M.Johnson. man he is the spearhead. Hughes, Klinger, Marsh, Clarke, Forrest/ferguson, Watto, Haddin, MJ, Pattinson, Siddle, Bird/Boyce.

Posted by   on (April 23, 2013, 14:29 GMT)

players of worst test technique Marsh, warner and hughes might be selected ahead of khawaja for ashes huh joke....it is even above newton's mind!!!

Posted by ZCFOutkast on (April 23, 2013, 14:10 GMT)

I see you Aussies have little love for Mark Cosgrove! What on earth has he ever done to deserve so little recognition from you guys....

As far as Smith doubters go, I like the boy and I have confidence in his abilities. Where Shaun Marsh is concerned, I doubt you have enough batsmen apart from Clarke who can rival his class, and dare I say, with both on song Clarke himself would come second best.

As far as the Ashes will go, Aus have a better seam attack than England with JP, Starc&Bird, and if their two openers can deal with Jimmy up front, they may just win one or two Tests if Clarke continues his record breaking heroics. However, I fear KP wants to bow out on a high, while Trott wants to re-establish himself so they will have a lot to say.

Tough to call but if the fearless&determined-yet-harmless Siddle, alongside regressing Harris play the bulk of the matches, then run hungry Cook is certain to render a lot of the matches safe English draws. One match may decide this one.

Posted by skmeena on (April 23, 2013, 14:06 GMT)

ut khawaja should be there instead of saun marsh

Posted by   on (April 23, 2013, 13:56 GMT)

This is terrible news. I don't understand how Haddin has gained so much value from a year ago when he was throwing away his wicket with undisciplined shots outside off. Wasn't setting the world on fire with his keeping either. Granted Wade has been less than impressive behind the stumps, costing Lyon about 10 wickets, but at least he has demonstrated a bit of the clutch required of a keeper batsman (see Prior). And Marsh?! When will they learn that displaying a bit of 2020 popcorn cricket form is in no way an indication of Test ability! A massive risk and a stupid one when Chris Rogers is available. I thought we had finally turned a corner with Hilditch gone but I was wrong. At least he could argue that he was only part time.

Posted by AhmedEsat on (April 23, 2013, 13:52 GMT)

Shaggy. Many white players have had disciplinary issues but were not treated like 2nd class citizens. I too have had first hand experience of prejudice frpm Queensland cricket and have quit. Khawaja you should not waste your time trying to play for Australia. The adage "A fair Go" only applies to people with fair skin!

Posted by   on (April 23, 2013, 13:47 GMT)

Can't understand haddin's inclusion..But then again the argument of "MATURITY" comes up so i guess an acceptable decision

Posted by AhmedEsat on (April 23, 2013, 13:44 GMT)

Shaggy. I can't really blame Khawaja for his attitude following the ill-treatment he has endured. You have only experienced Australia as a priveleged white and would not understand what it feels like to suffer prejudice.

Posted by   on (April 23, 2013, 13:35 GMT)

Surely Marsh wont be there, Khawaja, Rogers, Voges or Burns are all better options

Posted by Apocalypse_EX on (April 23, 2013, 13:34 GMT)

Seeing as the author predicted the squad for India spot-on, it seems that he has got the Ashes squad too. If so Australia might as well as not turn up for the Ashes. Where are the batsman? Marsh? My God!! On what basis will he be selected? What ever happened to all that talk about Rogers and Voges being considered? Usman Khawaja has been thrown away without proving himself? I really mean it when I say Australia have close to no chance. The bowling is good but theres only so much they can do.

Posted by Dr.Scott on (April 23, 2013, 13:33 GMT)

Selecting Australian batsmen for the Ashes must be a nightmare. There simply is not much quality at all. Aside from Clarke there is not one Australian batsman I am at all confident will do well in England. There rest are going to be players with mediocre FC records (except for Rogers) and who are unproven at test level or have failed at test level. This even applies to Warner whose test record is not that good. So the players who are selected need to be the one who are most likely to succeed. To me that is as openers, Rogers, Warner and Hughes, and alongside Clarke, Khawaja, Smith, Bailey and Doolan for the middle order. No Cowan or Watson who I think have both been proven to be failures and are not young players. I would select Wade, Haddin, Lyon, Pattinson, Starc, Siddle, Harris and Bird for the rest of the squad.

Posted by Gordo85 on (April 23, 2013, 13:32 GMT)

Oh no not this Haddin stuff again. I was afraid of this happening. And of course Vice Captain yet again what a step backwards.

Posted by AhmedEsat on (April 23, 2013, 13:14 GMT)

Sorry Sir Viv. I think your thinking is flawed. You have conveniently only quoted Khawaja's stats. Please put all the batsman's stats side by side then make a judgement.

Posted by zarasibaat on (April 23, 2013, 13:13 GMT)

Michael Hussey should be ask to play dual Ashes other wise this batting line can not handle the bowling of England. Warner has not established himself as a test opener neither Watson improved his batting. Steve Smith and Shaun Marsh are t-20 players. ED Cowan can not play a big inning. So all burden will be on Michael Clarke. He has a very good last 2 years but one man can not score century in every match. So Michael Hussy can be a batsman to support the team. He has so much time for IPL but question is weather he has time for Australia or not???

Posted by Shaggy076 on (April 23, 2013, 13:11 GMT)

Sirviv1973 spot on khawaja hasn't cemented a chance through weight of runs and seems to have disciplinary issues. can't imagine too many young blokes in his priviledged position pushing for an Australian spot not doing the tasks set out to them by the coach and captain. if it does happen khawaja has dug hos own grave.

Posted by   on (April 23, 2013, 13:11 GMT)

how would Brettig know this. who has tipped him off? and how does selecting Marsh conform to Argusism?

this loooms as the biggest debacle since the selection of Kent, Beard and Bright in the 81 party.

mattboosa, at least Smith offers some semblance of legspin, which has always been a huge weapon for Australia in england. question - when did we go to England since the war without a leggie... answer, 81 AND 09. RESULT...

Posted by Yasin123Patel on (April 23, 2013, 13:11 GMT)

Its good to see Haddin in squad, if he selected. He is experience player and oz need some experience players. Personaly I think khawaza shouln't been includede, he is very slow and can't play long(mark my words if he get chance). Play wade as specialist batsman, he is good against seam bowling. Remember his inning at perth vs protease. My probable 16 is : Warner, Cowan, Watson, Wade, Clarke, Haddin, Marsh, Hughes, Pattinson, Siddle, Starc, Harris, Bird, Lyon, Ager, Henriques/Faulkner. I include watson if he 'll able to bowl, becuase he is dangerous in england. He too two 5wkt haul in eng. His sharp but late inswinger can be dangerous.

Posted by bobagorof on (April 23, 2013, 13:05 GMT)

Shaun Marsh may have unarguable potential, but it has been unfulfilled at First Class level and he does not deserve a spot in the Test side on his recent returns (and suspension for poor behaviour). His selection would be a triumph of favouritism over performance, and send a clear message to Australia's other fringe batsmen - Burns, Khawaja, Bailey, Ferguson, Doolan - that they aren't in contention. And if these players aren't in contention, then the Australian order will continue to fail for the next five years at least, or until the mindset of the selection panel changes. A sad state of affairs.

Posted by Mad_Hamish on (April 23, 2013, 12:58 GMT)

How about we actually pick a keeper who can keep? And if we're talking batting over his last 10 tests Haddin averages 27 with 2 50 his past 15 he averages 25.40 and you have to go back 17 tests for a 100 and 29 tests for 2 100s Under Clarke as a captain he's played 13 tests and averaged 23.10 Wade has been pathetic behind the stumps and not entirely convincing in front of them either. Paine is a far, far better than either Haddin or Wade, how about we give him a go?

Posted by Charlie101 on (April 23, 2013, 12:55 GMT)

I have always rated Shaun Marsh and as an England supporter would rather see the Aussie team running out with Hughes at 3 rather then Marsh. It is very clear that the Aussie selectors have no idea what their best team is and they have wasted the series in India not playing Khawaja but Maxwell / Henriques .

I do not think that the Aussie camp is a happy camp and Haddin may be the man to gel the squad together and build some team spirit .

Posted by HawK89 on (April 23, 2013, 12:53 GMT)

Don't know why Marsh hasn't been selected earlier. He was in good form then got injured and hasn't been playing for Australia since.

Posted by   on (April 23, 2013, 12:44 GMT)

Just to remind everyone, Brad Haddin has all of three test centuries to his name and was more noted for drops than takes while he was actually in the team. I feel like I've slid into a parallel universe where this guy actually played good whenever he comes up in the comments section. And how about the article - talking about Haddin presiding over the 4-0 victory last time he was in the team. What were those blistering scores again? 27, 6, 0, 42*, 11*. The stuff of which legends are made.

Posted by Edwards_Anderson on (April 23, 2013, 12:41 GMT)

@RichardGauntlett some valid points mate but if you think about it at test level Khawaja hasn't had a chance in his second rebirth yet. He was 12th man for the MCG test, and also the SCG test, sat out the 4 tests in India and was denied his chance to play the shield final because they wanted him available for the 4th India test. Not much he could have done, the time that he did play early in the shield season he was second on both shield and Ryobi run scoring tallies. Khawaja's treatment has been nothing short of embarrasing. Reserve batsman or injury cover since November, and still can't get a game, he is probably using the physiatrists time(the one that was flown in) the most.And warner will do fine. his defence is not strong enough to defend ball after ball.He looked good in adelaide. when he went after the quick bowlers, forcing smith to take off pace and put on spin. Which could work the other way round against india.

Posted by hycIass on (April 23, 2013, 12:37 GMT)

@Paul either way his treatment is not acceptable. Khawaja is due for his chance. He is a player with complete confidence and text book technique. Too bad that confidence is wrecked by his superiors. And as for shield cricket it is in my opinion still the best domestic competition and the envy of other nations though other nations are catching up fast.We need to select the squad like a good democracy should. We are still one of those aren't we? So why don't we run a poll, everyone put in their ashes squad and we can talley up the votes as everyone here thinks the selectors @Mary some very good comments. Do keep it mind that it takes time to develop spinners. The deliveries are inherently more difficult to control yet the margin for error for line and particularly length is much narrower. There is no substitute for hour after hour of net practice, bowling your stock ball, heavily spun, at a small target until you can hit it reliably.

Posted by elbumo on (April 23, 2013, 12:32 GMT)

Can someone tell me how Steve smith is expected to leapfrog usman khawaja?

Posted by SirViv1973 on (April 23, 2013, 12:24 GMT)

@Landl47, called Khawlja's absence yesterday & it looks like he may have been right. The truth is with UK is that he has not made an outstanding case to say 'you have to pick me''. A second divison ave of 34 with Derby last summer followed by an ave of less than 40 in the shield do not make a compelling case particularly when his short test career to date has yielded an ave of under 30 with just 1 half century. With stats like that in any other period in the last 25 yrs he would not even have been in contention. Aus fans must understand that this is no Ponting or Hussey in the making and if he is to force his way back in to the side he needs to do it by shear weight of numbers & not by relying on others to fail. On the poss selection of Marsh I have to say it does seem strange given his woes over the last 18 mths. All I can think is that CA feel he can transform his T20 form in to the longer format & that he can still be the player he promised to be in SRL a couple of yrs ago.

Posted by mattboosa on (April 23, 2013, 12:18 GMT)

I can't understand why Steve Smith is even remotely near this side. Yes he got 92 in India, but what does that prove? And Shaun Marsh? Hasnt got runs in years. Get Khawaja and Rogers/Burns/Doolan in there as back up. The seam attack looks good when it is led by Harris. He is the man for the English tour. Until Starc can prove himself as a test bowler (his one 6 wicket haul doesnt count), leave him out. You have Bird, Siddle and Pattinson, all proven. My starting 11 would be Cowan, Hughes, Warner, Clarke, Khawaja, Watson (if he bowls- Faulkner if not), Haddin, Siddle, Harris, Pattinson, Lyon. If they insist on playing Watson out of form as a batsmen, put Faulkner in for Pattinson. Man that guy is the future.

Posted by   on (April 23, 2013, 12:16 GMT)

Can't talk about maturity and common sense and Brad Haddin. How many times in the latter parts his career did we see him throw his wicket away in tests and ODI's before Wade took over? Personal circumstances since then may have changed his attitude in batting but I still think it's yet another in a long line of contradictory decisions made by CA. Why couldn't they afford the VC position to, heaven forbid, a bowler, Siddle? Siddle's got experience and a passion for the game that few others have, he's a test specialist too. Now we go back to Haddin and another stop-gap solution till they deem Wade good enough, but what about Paine or Hartley? Haddin's selection has shut the door on these guys yet again. Weren't we supposed to be "looking to the future"?

Khawaja again most likely to be shafted, Marsh will need A LOT of form going his way for a test berth. Glad not to see Maxwell there. Not a bad squad other than Haddin.

Posted by Meety on (April 23, 2013, 12:13 GMT)

@Umair Ahmad - don't you see the hypocrisy of what you are saying? On the one hand we won't select Ussie (even though he has played for Oz & just made his ODI debut) - because he is "Pakistani" - but we are pushing thru qualifications for Fawad who happens to be "more" Pakistani than Khawaja! Please explain how Khawaja is different to Hodge, DHussey, Rogers, Katich, & Symonds even? There is wider ethnic diversity in the Oz team than in most of the other Test playing nations, background is these days a non-issue!

Posted by Paul_Rampley on (April 23, 2013, 12:06 GMT)

@Sunil and Umair my gut feel is that Haddin will probably be announced as VC, all papers are reporting this, but i also think Khawaja will get in and that if Marsh does come in it will be as an extra batsman. I still think Khawaja will play a big part in the ashes for us. For the fast men i think it will be Siddle, Pattinson, Starc, Bird and Harris.

Posted by   on (April 23, 2013, 12:05 GMT)

Haddin back is a great choice, and it shows that they can go back on their decisions if they have to. Now for god's sake get Chris Rogers in that damn team.

Posted by Mary_786 on (April 23, 2013, 12:00 GMT)

Bottom line is that the loss of hussey and ponting does leave a very un experienced batting line up where the oldest batsman is 31.Hussey's retirement does make it hard but khawaja should go straight in its just that ca are literally playing with his life.How Khawaja has any confidence left.Even Hussey endorsed him as his replacement but he is yet to come off the bench and now they may leave him off the bench which is not fair on him. Ponting would be more likely to accept a recall than Huss, mainly because of the lack of success he had in england but boy do we miss our legends now, where are all the folks who where calling on these guys to retire.

Posted by   on (April 23, 2013, 11:57 GMT)

@Umair Ahmad, you say you are convinced of this, Australia is as diverse a country as you could wish for, yet you offer no evidence in support of what you claim. Khawaja is class, there is no doubt, but has he taken his opportunities? No. Lovely to see the Aussie cupboard bare for spinners too, now at last they can stop whinging about South Africans playing for England, Australia are just as culpable LOL. This short termism is just what England went through years ago. It doesn't work, you have to take these slumps to realise what it takes to succeed, afetr all you never saw McGrath and Gilchrist suspended, these guys were pro's and worthy of it.

Posted by Mitty2 on (April 23, 2013, 11:53 GMT)

@R_U_4_REAL_NICK, people went off on the anger rants when the 'possible sqaud' was made, and I like you, tried to tell them that it was only speculation. But... Unfortunately, the predicted squad eventuated.

To someone who said faulkner was watson's pace, sorry, but watched him in the shield final and he averaged 135kmh. Watson would be more around the 130km/h. I'm really getting sick of many stereotyping him as a "limited overs specialist"; he averages 22 in FC cricket for christ's sake! Right now, I'd take him over starc in a heartbeat. We all know starc will turn out to be a gun, but he's too wayward currently.

On an unrelated note, if the squad is flexible, the players who NEED to be tried to see if they are deserving of a test call up in the Aus A tour are: Silk, burns, doolan, faulkner, sayers, mcdermott, sandhu, hartley, O'keefe AND agar.

There are quicker seamers we have, but IMO, those four look the most suited to english conditions.

Posted by Amith_S on (April 23, 2013, 11:51 GMT)

@Umair i will give the selectors the benefit of the doubt till noon tomorrow, i am still confident Khawaja should be there. But there are obviously improvements to be made from the India series. As I said earlier, there's no point selecting a spinner if he's not up to it simply because the team should have a specialist spinner. Selecting 20/20 and one day all players is no way to strengthen a bowling/batting attack. If your four best bowlers in the squad are quicks/medium pace then that's who makes the team. Clarke and Warner will have to do given that the Indian spinners made our "specialists" look like what they are: great club / good Shield bowlers.And just when our top order can be improved by bringing in Khawaja, somehow Marsh comes into the equation when he is clearly not the answer to our batting issues averaging 19 this year and not to forget his offfield issues. I am not sure if its Inevarity or Arthur who is uncomfortable with Khawaja, but the kid deserves a real crack.

Posted by blink182alex on (April 23, 2013, 11:51 GMT)

Good choice having Haddin as VC and no1 gloveman. But there is no way Rogers should be left out, he is a batting machine, he may not be a fancy big hitting T20 player but he is an obvious selection who just racks up the runs in first class competition. Why only select 16 when you can select 17 as well!

Posted by KhanMitch on (April 23, 2013, 11:43 GMT)

@Umair Ahmad it doesn't matter what your background is, we should pick the best guys for the job and Khawaja should be there. Which Australian batsman can handle the swinging ball? Clarke a is great and Warner is useful but aside from him Khawaja is next best in handling swing so get him in. Aside from these three you would be hard pressed to find anyone in the current batting line up who can handle swing bowling confidently. We are equally as incapable as handling swing bowling as we are of spin bowling due to an extreme lack of discipline. I think you'll find that we have already forgotten about India long before they went to India. Hence why they got summarily belted. India, and its spinning stocks needed to be taken seriously because in England, Australia will be presented with those challenges. People forget two things:1. That 5th day pitches in England favour spin bowlers. My money is on England if they are bowling in the 5th day.

Posted by johntycodes on (April 23, 2013, 11:42 GMT)

One thing I know for sure is that wade will be playing in the 11 during the ashes so whether it's as a keeper or batsmen remains to be seen but he will play ahead of haddin.

Posted by   on (April 23, 2013, 11:31 GMT)

Well it might say 'possible' but we all know by now that it really means 'highly probable'. To be honest i don't think this squad is too far off the mark. I wouldn't have Marsh obviously and would replace him with Rogers, that aside I find it pretty difficult to complain about. If nothing else they at least picked the very best seam attack possible. I guess what really surprises me is the early announcement of the squad, I thought it would be a few weeks away yet I suppose thats why they've only named 16 for now and will most likely add another at the end of champions trophy/A Tour.

Posted by Bigskyrocket on (April 23, 2013, 11:31 GMT)

The reserve fast bowler stands a good chance of playing a test at least with Harris, Pattinson, Starc and Bird in the squad. Be it Faulkner, Sayers, Cutting, Cummins, Hazlewood, or Hilfenhaus, not to be forgotten on english pitches. Johnson is done. gone for good. Surely Watson would be on his last chance?? A top order of Warner, Hughes, Cowan and Marsh seems all too fragile. Haddin is a good move but if Wade is to be demoted lets see Paine given his chance. Khawaja and Rogers deserve a chance as well. The only problem with any of this would be that any dramatic number of changes would be an admission by the selectors that they have got it so terribly wrong over the last three years.

Posted by   on (April 23, 2013, 11:23 GMT)

I am convinced Usman Khawaja is being treated poorly due to diversified background.The squad will be announced at 12 noon(lunch),even though it's a speculation/rumours/chit chat as it says "PROBABLE" before the squad but the squad will NOT much different to this which makes me believe that Australia has NO chance in back to back Ashes. Fawad Ahmad is the other Pakistani raised spinner in Australia after a long time Shane Warne.Why select him or consider him if he will be getting the same treatment as Usman? Many failures & tested batsmen in the squad but Australian fast bowlers looks OK who can swing with the Duke ball in UK.The best Ashes was Ashes 2005 & those players are history where Australia can rely on them.Champions Trophy Squad???

Posted by   on (April 23, 2013, 11:20 GMT)

Having Haddin would mean some experience and common sense in middle lower order. I would have also picked some unknown exciting talent, someone like Agar. The surprise element helps. Faulkner has looked good in the IPL and should get a look in. Also the Top 3 for Australia should be the Top 3 men in form. Reputations could be deceptive. Chris Rogers or anyone. If he is in form, he should be picked. Alas !! Mr Cricket has retired. He will be missed in the middle order. Who are the contenders. Steve Smith for sure. Watto should bat at 5. Open with Cowan and Hughes or Rogers or Warner.

Posted by PrasPunter on (April 23, 2013, 11:17 GMT)

@R_U_4_REAL_NICK, hope your words are true - this is just a speculative list. If this happens to be the one, then Meety might well have several ones behind him in the queue to do what he said he would do - pathetic choice of Marsh over Khawaja - to say the least.

Posted by Meety on (April 23, 2013, 11:11 GMT)

@Chris_P on (April 23, 2013, 9:05 GMT) - there must be something wrong in the water bubblers at Cric Oz HQ. Weird stuff happenned when Hilditch was there & now this - it is not even April Fools Day (maybe on the Chinese calendar)! Could S Marsh be related to Rod?????? I don't think I'll be staying up late to watch, car crash about to happen!!!! I am much more considerate of Wade, I think he is better than what a lot of people are saying & he really is about our 3rd best batsmen (of available selections). I am also completely AGAINST Fawad playing in THIS Ashes series. He is a great feel-good story, but he has NOT done the hard yards in the Shield IMO!

Posted by wix99 on (April 23, 2013, 11:10 GMT)

Usman Khawaja should be picked and either Shane Watson or Steve Smith should be left out to create a space for him.

Posted by RajSuperman on (April 23, 2013, 11:09 GMT)

Its a short sighted move to have haddin in the team leave alone vice captaincy. Wade seems to be doing quite well. I don't see why Siddle cannot be given the vice captaincy. It seems to be an age old thing that bowlers cannot be leaders. Marsh is a gamble but the guys is talented for sure and it might just pay off. Khawaja in place of haddin pls.

Posted by Amith_S on (April 23, 2013, 11:08 GMT)

The Indian tour has shown how weak our top order is and Marsh who has hardly scored any runs for WA is not the answer. Khawaja deserves his opportunity and will do well in the moving pitches in UK, I am still confident he will be in the list tomorrow. Hughes and Warner will also need to lift their games. We cannot carry two dashers who get out to seam. I'd keep Warner and partner him with watto cause of wattos past form opening in England. Watto must bowl. I'd have Khawaja at 3. He can play swing seam better then anyone else and is therefore wasted down the order. Burns bailey marsh. Any of those at 4. Clark and Huss 5 n 6. Leave Clark at 5 if swanny is fit. The keeper and bowlers and easy and any combo will do well. I'd lean towards wade and sok or Haurtiz over Agar.

Posted by Meety on (April 23, 2013, 11:04 GMT)

If the NSP pick Sean Marsh, I may consider renouncing my Oz citezenship!Nothing against Marsh, however he is NOT in the top 20 Test batsmen in Oz. Consider him for the Champ Trophy, but he has done NOTHING at FC level since the SL tour. My order of batting class in Oz (eligible for Test selection) is; 1. Clarke, 2. Warner, 3. Hughes, 4. Rogers, 5. Wade, 6. Khawaja, 7. Watson (past glory), 7. Smith, 8. Cosgrove, 9. Burns, 10. Doolan, 11. Ferguson, 12. White, 13. Henriques, 14. Silk, 15. Cutting, 16. Copeland, 17. Krezja, 19. Hopes, 20. AB Mac. So there, no room for S Marsh in 3 squads worth of batsmen. He should be considered for the Champ Trophy. I will be sick in the guts if his named in the Ashes squad. It is absolute MADNESS! It is a sick joke!

Posted by Edwards_Anderson on (April 23, 2013, 11:02 GMT)

@Ozcricketwriter i have seen a bit of Faulkner and Watson and both bowl around the same pace. Faulkner has been impressive with the bowl in the shorter format, whether that translates to the longer format at international level is to be seen. Anyone noticed that Maxwell's name is missing in the list. @hyclass completely see your point on Khawaja's treatment but lets wait till tomorrow mate before making any conclusions. Marsh is a good T20 and ODI player but he doesn't desreve to be selected ahead of Khawaja in test cricket full stop. Inevarity talked up Khawaja's chances a few week's back so hard to see things turning around so quickly. POMs will be hoping we bring Marsh instead of Khawaja. I am not against Haddin's selection but i still think Wade is a better package given his batting ability but he does need to hold his catches more. Paine will be feeling left out after this announcement. @Adrian Peter Lang well said mate.

Posted by cloudmess on (April 23, 2013, 10:58 GMT)

As a pom, I'm delighted by some of these selections. You'd have been better going for some short-term fixes to allow younger players to stake a claim. David Hussey averages 50+ in FC cricket and he would have made runs on England's slower pitches, make no mistake about that. Ditto Chris Rogers. Working out ways of getting out the likes of Hughes, Cowan, Marsh etc will be a lot easier than the days of M Hussey and Ponting. That said, England's excellent side of 2011 is also on the slide. History also tells us beware of saying this is the weakest Australian side ever to turn up in England.

Posted by PFEL on (April 23, 2013, 10:57 GMT)

How do the Aus selectors keep getting worse and worse. Unbelievable. Constantly picking test players on T20 form. Shaun Marsh? He's averaging BELOW 20. Most of Australia's bowlers are better bats than him.

Good decision to get Haddin back though. He's still one of the best Bats in aus and a better keeper than Wade.

Posted by stormy16 on (April 23, 2013, 10:55 GMT)

The good thing is this is not the official squad! So Aus want to win the Ashes with a tried, tested, failed and irresponsible wicket keeper batter in Haddin and recall Marsh who has done little in any format for a long time. Then we also have the legspinner - really? In England? Yes there was Warner but few other leggies have had success in Eng. What happened to Khawaja? He got runs and deserves a spot surely. Signs of chaos in the Aus corner and after the drubbing in India more on the cards I am afraid. Eng are at their very best in a long time!

Posted by Sunil_Batra on (April 23, 2013, 10:54 GMT)

@hyclass i don't think its a race issue, this is a very multicultural country and we have sportsplayers of different backgrounds doing well in many sports. The issue may be with Arthur, he had similar issues when he was coach of SA and this may be transferring here. If Khawaja failed in India similar to Hughes or Watson then one could understand this, but given he didn't play a game and has been waiting since the boxing day test after solid runs for the Bulls and this is what's difficult to understand. Like you I hope this is all just just chit chat and that we see him in the squad as the classy leftie deserves better then this. Marsh is a talented batsman but you don't pick a 30 year old on talent, you pick a 20 year old on talent, selectors may like him but they won't make this mistake. I give them more credith then this, lets hope they prove me right.

Posted by   on (April 23, 2013, 10:50 GMT)

Nooo please bring Mitchell Johnson over!

Posted by Ozcricketwriter on (April 23, 2013, 10:50 GMT)

By the way guys, Faulkner is not a fast bowler. He is medium pace. Shane Watson bowls a lot quicker than Faulkner.

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (April 23, 2013, 10:47 GMT)

Seems a lot of people are missing/ignoring the word 'Possible' there in front of 'Ashes squad' and already going off on one. No doubt, the final squad will be very different; for example, Khawaja is missing and non-test players like Warner, Wade and Hughes are still there for some strange reason.

Posted by milepost on (April 23, 2013, 10:42 GMT)

Haddin is a great selection. Marsh is not. I do wonder about his father's involvement. Bowling looks good. Not sure about this all-rounder policy, it keeps backfiring yet they persist. Not really a bowler, not really a batsman? Why bother? I'd love to see a different captain and coach, I just don't rate the pair and besides they managed a debacle in India. Why not pick the best 6 batsmen in the country, the best 4 bowlers and the best keeper/batsman? Is that too simple for theses panels, boards, leadership groups and committees? We are leaving our best batsman at home and that is worrying.

Posted by   on (April 23, 2013, 10:42 GMT)

What a disgrace it be if they selected the Over-rated Shaun Marsh get in the side ahead of Usman Khawaja Shaun Marsh's last 7 test innings reads like a mobile phone number plenty of 0's Shaun Marsh has also had a less then impressive shield season averaging just 19

Posted by hycIass on (April 23, 2013, 10:40 GMT)

I play grade Cricket in Sydney and have a lot of Aussie friends who come from diverse backgrounds not dissimilar to Khawaja's background. What has really concerned me lately is the fact that there is now a growing feeling among a lot of people that Khawaja's poor treatment may actually be due to his sub continent backround. I don't believe this to be true and being a proud Aussie fan, I have always tried to see things in a positive light but there is no denying that Khawaja is being treated poorly(assuming he is not picked) and this is frustrating a lot of people and every time NSP comes up with a creative way to keep Khawaja out, this feeling gets only worse among his fans. I can only hope this is all guessing and that he is in the squad but if he is not that the NSP has alot to answer for. Khawaja is a product of our cricketing system and deserves the same chance as other young players are getting.

Posted by 158notout on (April 23, 2013, 10:30 GMT)

As an pom the Aussie fans out there have my sympathy. I was starting to believe that the home Ashes series could be closer than I thought, and closer than the two teams tours to india would suggest, however that has all but gone if this is the squad picked. Where are all the batsmen in Australia hiding? Khawaja has to go on the tour, it would be a disgrace to leave him out now.

Watson and Harris will last about one test each before they bust somehow. Steve Smith will get found out if he is picked and regarding MJ I thought this could be his chance to prove us England fans a point.

Posted by Mary_786 on (April 23, 2013, 10:28 GMT)

@ashlewis i agree with you 100% but as Paul pointed out this is speculation at the moment and Marsh is in contention, he shouldn't be in contention given his poor shield season but it helps to have strong contacts with the selectors. Khawaja will be picked but will have to get runs in the warm up games to get his spot. The guy i feel sorry is for Wade, he may lose his spot to Haddin and we shouldn't be making such drastic changes 2 months before the ashes, the English team will be laughing as they have a settled unit.

Posted by   on (April 23, 2013, 10:28 GMT)

If this team is selected really, Don't we know the result in England even before team is officially selected? You must be a 5 year old child if you think this team can win you ashes back. We need a eye specialist in CA headquarter

Posted by Broken_F-ing_Arm on (April 23, 2013, 10:28 GMT)

This doesn't seem to bad to me i was expecting worse. Good move having Haddin back in as keeper number 1 so we have an expierienced head, and just a suspicion that Smith will get a place in the XI as i think they want to breed him as Clarke's successor. To be honest id only make 3 changes, IN Faulkner, O'keefe, Rogers OUT Watson, Agar, Marsh

Faulkner vs Watson - young fit pacey allrounder who could make the team as a bat or bowl OR and aged, out of form, lazy pretender who adds nothing to team

O'keefe vs Agar - expierienced, but still young bowler who averages 30 in FC +22 avg from recent shield season (best spinner by far) OR talented young spinner who has made decent start to his career with avg of 29 from 5 mtchs

Rogers vs Marsh - does it need to be said. Rogers career avg 50 vs 35 from marsh, rogers much more experienced + very good record in England, and most importantly 2012-13 shield season comparison Rogers 51 avg vs Marsh 19 Avg

Posted by SamRoy on (April 23, 2013, 10:27 GMT)

Watson, Warner, Hughes, Clarke, Marsh, Smith, Haddin, Starc, Pattinson, Siddle, Bird. A bit weak top 6 but a strong lower order. 7-10 can all score 30+. If it's spinning drop Starc for Lyon. Shaun Marsh is like Yuvraj Singh. Very aesthetically pleasing but not good enough against either swing or spin especially not in Australia.

Posted by trumpoz on (April 23, 2013, 10:25 GMT)

I like Haddin coming in for Wade - they need the extra experience and backup for Clarke. The bowling line-up looks great - will have the ability to run riot in helpful English conditions (so long as they can get past Cook). If Shaun Marsh makes the squad then the selectors are a joke - should be either Khwaja or even Chris Rogers due to his experience in English conditions.

Posted by   on (April 23, 2013, 10:22 GMT)

Truly a black day for Australian cricket

Posted by   on (April 23, 2013, 10:18 GMT)

Tim Paine would have been my choice for VC, and play as a batsman at 6 with Haddin keeping. But choosing haddin was a 'safe choice' in a team desperate for experience.

Posted by ozwriter on (April 23, 2013, 10:16 GMT)

why does the proposed squad drop khawaja but retain smith.

why is khawaja being serially and categorrically targetted?

Posted by peeeeet on (April 23, 2013, 10:13 GMT)

Absolutely ludicrous if Marsh gets picked. Forgetting even his Shield form, look at his last series as a test player. I don't remember the stats exactly, but I recall that while Clarke, Ponting and Hussey were belting the Indians into submission, Marsh averaged something like 3 or 5 runs per innings across the whole series. After that type of performance, I would think he'd have to be averaging something like 70 or 80 throughout a season to be considered again. Just annoyed that performance is not being considered in selection. In the case of Haddin, I was a fan of him being dropped, but to his credit he has performed well back in the Shield and will add experience to the squad. I like Faulkner's name being mentioned. He seems like a good cricketer.

Posted by I-Like-Cricket on (April 23, 2013, 10:10 GMT)

Give Hughes the benefit of the doubt here. Sure he had a poor tour of India but his home form this past Shield season, the three tests against SL and all the ODIs was possibly better than everyone other than Clarke PLUS his form in England when he was over there last year for their domestic season was excellent. Though bringing Marsh back is a real joke, I'm not a Khawaja fan but surely the poor bugger deserves a run in front of Marsh. Rogers is the one who really would feel disappointed with this, at least Brad Hodge was kept out of the best team in the world by the best batsman in the world (at the time), Rogers is being kept out by batsmen like Watson, Cowan and Warner.

Posted by Geoffrey1 on (April 23, 2013, 10:10 GMT)

Hope the report is wrong. Wade is a talented fighter and Haddin is over the hill and regularly out to airy shots. Wade shouldn't be judged on his performance on low spinning pitches in India, that's not what they'll encounter in the old dart. Haddin maywell be being rewarded for not being good enough to be selected in a horror tour but in the long run Australia will suffer from a revolving door selection policy.

Posted by Ozcricketwriter on (April 23, 2013, 10:08 GMT)

This side is far, far off the mark. Starting with Brad Haddin - he was dumped not due to injury or retirement but due to poor form. Matthew Wade overtook him, and the gap between the two is enormous. If you were to consider an alternative to Wade, it should be the best keeper in the country, Chris Hartley. Haddin should not be in the picture, especially not as vice captain. If this is true, then we have already lost. Phillip Hughes should have been dumped by now, and bringing Shaun Marsh back, after failing so badly last time he played internationally, and since then has done so badly at domestic level, is really foolish. If this is anything like the real squad, then it is one of two things: either the selectors are geniuses who can see beyond mere stats and figures and pick players on the largest of hunches or else, more likely, this is a very, very bad squad that has no chance in England.

Posted by Mitty2 on (April 23, 2013, 10:06 GMT)

oh my god this is unbelievable: brad haddin, steve smith, SHAUN MARSH, shane watson and the man with the FC average above 30 in mitchell starc.

I'm going to assume this is the squad because as @mitty says, cricinfo got it right last time.

Despite being inferior to hartley, paine and neville, Haddin's in because of his friendship with clarke (not to mention being vice captain!). Not suprised clarkey,I guess that's what happens when you're a terrible man manager and have agendas. Of course this augmented with the fact that CA in their infamous wisdom, decided to put him selector as well!

Faulkner, sayers, butterworth,cutting, NCN, mcdermott, mennie, even hilfenhaus all better records than starc.

Steve smith couldn't play pace to save himself. I actually remember complimenting the NSP on his horses for courses selection to India; guess their true nature came out.

Marsh couldn't play against 125 km/h pace from the indians and averages 35... LOL.

Watson = perenial underachiever.

Posted by Edwards_Anderson on (April 23, 2013, 9:59 GMT)

As I said before, only three Aussies (Clarke, Pattinson and Warner) are a sure pick for the first Ashes test. You can find decent reasons for not picking all the rest (and Warner to a lesser extent, but a test average in the mid-40s makes him a must pick among this lot). Cowan - average in the low 30s, needs to consolidate his starts Hughes - technique too loose, very up and down, failure in UK will be his last chance Khawaja - best number 3 in the country but just needs a chance, need to stop making excues why not to pick him and just play him a full series. Smith - loose technique which could be exposed by the swinging ball, Watson - must bowl if he is to be picked Faulkner - will be picked as allrounder Siddle - has a big heart, consistent Johnson - Will be replaced by Faulkner Starc - Will be picked as a semi allrounder. Our X factor bowler. Bird - should get picked Harris - is back and ready Lyon - will be our frontline spinner Doherty - No Agar - bolter.

Posted by   on (April 23, 2013, 9:57 GMT)

What are we doing. This is a disaster. Surely we need to think the future and not the past. Wade keeping is not good enough but surely Payne is next in and he is a natural leader?? Not Haddin...batting is declining and glove work has been terrible. Surely we need to pick the next gen in each area so Warner, Hughes, Kiwajha, burns, Doolan, Smith and then back them with experience of Clarke and Cowan.....Watson is no good so time to move on Bowling is Pattinson, Bird, Starc, Lyon, Faulkner, Agar....with Siddle as experience maybe one more like Harris Keepers should be Payne for tests, Wade for 1 day team....is it that hard. marsh and Rogers are we serious?? Haddin too old...please selectors lets think about this

Posted by nickvegas on (April 23, 2013, 9:57 GMT)

Fact is we don't have any world class batsmen apart from Clarke and possibly Warner on his day. The bowling however, looks good, especially if Harris stays fit and Pattinson can bowl at 150k. I agree Faulkner needs to be in the team. The only saving grace will be if one of the Aussie batsmen can find a rich vein of form while playing county cricket which then translates into a test position.

Posted by   on (April 23, 2013, 9:52 GMT)

Absolutely ridiculous, recipe for failure in England

Posted by   on (April 23, 2013, 9:51 GMT)

There appears to be no limit to the stupidity of the Australian selectors. Seriously; they are turning me off cricket. It is painful to watch a 3rd class side get beaten when I know for a fact that I could name a much better side.

Warner Cowan/Silk/Cosgrove Hughes Watson Clarke Smith Wade O'Keefe Pattinson Faulkner/Starc Siddle

IS THIS SO HARD TO SEE?

Posted by Paul_Rampley on (April 23, 2013, 9:47 GMT)

Guys i agree with you that Khawaja should be in the squad. Keep in mind that this is all speculation at the moment, the squad hasn't been announced. I am confident Khawaja will be there as the selectors will pick the right players for the right conditions. I am also expecting Faulkner to get a spot after his performance in the shield final and Sayers could be a dark horse, though we are spoilt in the fast bowling department.

Posted by Mitty2 on (April 23, 2013, 9:47 GMT)

No. This cant be happening. I was furious with the Indian squad, and now, (keeping in mind the fact that they'd learn from their mistakes) I'm at a stage that's beyond anger.

Last time cricinfo did a "possible squad" for the Indian series, I laughed and dismissed it because it was purely terrible... And yet it was 100% correct. If this is the squad... I just can't possibly imagine myself even recording the first test. I will become a bandwagon supporter. I will only watch if we have won a test... And that seems just impossible with this squad. South Africa, you now have my allengiance.

Anyone else laugh at: "Clarke and haddin have been very close friends"? No wonder he's selected. Not even the third best keeper in Australia.

SHAUN MARSH?? He averages 35 in FC, that's worse than Joe root. Unbelievable. He has a torrid work rate, off field is a disaster, and guess what, against India with one of the worst bowling attacks I can remember, he couldn't score above five once. Not once.

Posted by Amith_S on (April 23, 2013, 9:41 GMT)

I was critical of Khawaja last season but his move to the Bulls showed a great attitude and willingness to improve his game. I have to go with Beerjie in that if Marsh is picked over him with an average of 19 it will show that the Argus review is dead and burried. Lets hope Brettig is wrong and common sense prevails with Khawaja picked. Also for those folks who pick on Wade being picked over Paine need to consider the facts. I was a big fan of Tim Paine about 4 years back - and even as a Victorian I acknowledge that Matty Wade is a Tassie boy (and heck, Pete Neville up in Sydney is a Victorian)I do just wonder how people can consider that Wade - who has been invested heavily in over the last 12 odd months and isn't doing too much drastically wrong (he is actually improving) - would be squeezed out for Tim Paine??Quickquiz - how many 1st class 100s for T.Paine, M.Wade, P.Neville? A : 1,6,2Tim Paine used to be regarded a top order batter - now he's down around 7. Stats don't lie.

Posted by Barnesy4444 on (April 23, 2013, 9:38 GMT)

6 specialist batsmen, 'keeper at 7 and 4 bowlers. Is that so difficult? Haddin's return welcome. Wade as a batsman would struggle. Marsh in the squad, I feel like laughing. 7 FC centuries in 13 seasons at an average of 35 doesn't cut it in my book. Get Rogers in there. Bat him at 6 if you have to, Hussey was once an opener too.

Posted by Jimmyrob83 on (April 23, 2013, 9:29 GMT)

And with that I'm done with cricket for good.

Posted by ConfusedOne on (April 23, 2013, 9:27 GMT)

A good squad to be thrashed by the Poms. Hughes is the saviour, Hughes is the saviour. Say it enough times and you may even start believing it

Posted by Beertjie on (April 23, 2013, 9:24 GMT)

Well given what you wrote about a second spinner, Daniel, I'd have thought Agar was otiose atm - he/Ahmed could join after Lords which would give selectors a chance to see him perform in England before committing. That would still give Khawaja or Rogers a shot unless your inside info simply rules them out which would be a disaster and another example of the WA connection triumphing over good common sense and proven form. Fail and be damned - out with Arthur, Inverarity and even Marsh!

Posted by hycIass on (April 23, 2013, 9:22 GMT)

I hope we retain Warner and Cowan at the top. If Warner is down the other end, why does the other opening batsman have to score quickly? I actually have some faith in Cowan .Clarke 3, he needs to show some batting leadership at a time when we really need it.Khawaja has to come in at 4 as he is one of the best number 3s in the country and will be able to do a good job at 4. I am still yet to completely understand this allrounder situation? Why do we need it? If you play Watson, he should be able to bowl and the tailenders are no mugs with the bat. E.g Starc and his 99.Lyon is the best spinner in the country and I disagree with throwing a 19yo in the deep for his first test, in the Ashes, over in England.

Posted by D-Train on (April 23, 2013, 9:18 GMT)

I'm not the biggest fan of Khawaja, but he's much better than Marsh. My team would be Watson, Cowan, Clarke, Hughes, Warner, Khawaja, Haddin, Harris, Pattinson, Lyon, Bird

Posted by   on (April 23, 2013, 9:16 GMT)

thats a very good move by CA, Haddin far more good than wade as a glove man even as a batsman who is captain can trust.. best of luck Hadding, you waited and patient and finally you has been awarded..

Posted by   on (April 23, 2013, 9:16 GMT)

It will be stupidity to take Smith & Wade as a Batsmen in the Ashes Squad. Auz batting lineup looks thin & to add few more all-rounders as Specialist Batsmen will a recipe for disaster.

Posted by sidzy on (April 23, 2013, 9:14 GMT)

Perfect just 2 things req : 1 James Faulkner as all rounder 2. Bailey better batsmen ahead of Steve Smith....

Posted by PrasPunter on (April 23, 2013, 9:10 GMT)

the same squad that found no place to hide in india !! One word to describe the NSP - pathetic !!

Posted by Winsome on (April 23, 2013, 9:09 GMT)

Oh heaven. Not Shaun Marsh, he hasn't got the right temperament for even first class cricket, let alone test cricket. I really hope this speculation is wrong, as Usman Khawaja will be ripped off again if so.

Posted by Mary_786 on (April 23, 2013, 9:08 GMT)

I find it hard to believe that Marsh averaging 19 in shield will get in the squad, I know Arthur was his previous coach for WA but that won't come into the equation. Khawaja should be a lock in and Rogers might also get in. I also said before the start of the India series that the decision by Watson/CA/HPM Howard/NSP not to bowl will certainly ruin the balance of the team. This wrong decision forced another all-rounder to be used unnecessarily and cost Khawaja his rightful place in the team amongst other questionable selections.Ravi Shastri said numerous times that Watson needs to bowl for his all round performance to improve and I agree. Also most folks questioned whether the correct spinners were picked, well Agar, Haurtiz, Beer and Holland are now fit and available, get one of them in to partner with Lyon for the ashes. If Watson is bowling in the IPL then he can bowl in test cricket. On a positive Watson did captain us well in the field but he needs to bowl now.

Posted by Chris_P on (April 23, 2013, 9:05 GMT)

Hey Meety! Marsh, tell me it ain't so, please. Is it April 1st? How would a guy who scored 152 runs & averaged 19 for this past season even get considered? This has to be the biggest joke of all time. Wade shouldn't be allowed to take his gloves, in fact he should burn them & concentrate on his batting. Watson, why? No form with either bat or ball. I really hope this is not right.

Posted by   on (April 23, 2013, 9:04 GMT)

Selected quotes from the Argus Report:

"It is critical that superior performance is rewarded at all levels. Players must earn their positions in the time-honoured way of making runs, taking wickets and showing that they are ready to play at the next level"

"Players must be held accountable when they are not performing. This has been an issue in recent years".

How exactly does Marsh justify a place?

Posted by Sunil_Batra on (April 23, 2013, 8:59 GMT)

I hope this article is a beat up and the likes of Khawaja doesn't miss out. Khwaaja was the second best shield and Ryobi scorer before the chirtsmas break and after that he has been waiting on the bench thanks to the selectors. I am confident he will make the squad given his ability to play swing bowling. The interesting decision for me will be who gets the VC spot. I have been predicting Siddle or Warner with Wade an outside chance but Haddin's name is being thrown in and I get the feeling it might be him, though I would still go for Warner or Siddle.

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Daniel Brettig Assistant editor Daniel Brettig had been a journalist for eight years when he joined ESPNcricinfo, but his fascination with cricket dates back to the early 1990s, when his dad helped him sneak into the family lounge room to watch the end of day-night World Series matches well past bedtime. Unapologetically passionate about indie music and the South Australian Redbacks, Daniel's chief cricketing achievement was to dismiss Wisden Almanack editor Lawrence Booth in the 2010 Ashes press match in Perth - a rare Australian victory that summer.
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