The Investec Ashes 2013 July 28, 2013

Taylor, Tremlett, Panesar recalled

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James Taylor, Chris Tremlett and Monty Panesar have all been included in an expanded 14-man squad for the third Investec Ashes Test at Old Trafford. Steven Finn, who was left out at Lord's in favour of Tim Bresnan, and Graham Onions have been dropped, while Kevin Pietersen is included with his calf injury, which is progressing well, due to be assessed closer to the match.

The recalls for Tremlett, who last played for England against Pakistan in the UAE early last year, and Panesar reflect the conditions that are expected at Old Trafford where traditionally, pace, bounce and spin come to the fore. However, it remains unlikely that England will tinker with the bowling attack that was so impressive at Lord's.

Tremlett's return is a significant blow for Finn, who was in the three-man pace attack just two Tests ago but does not even feature in a 14-man squad now. He has been working on technical aspects of his run-up and delivery for most of the year and in Test cricket has rarely looked completely comfortable.

Tremlett trained with the England squad during the Lord's Test as he continues to build up his workload during the season after missing the majority of 2012 with a series of injuries, the most serious of them being to his back. England are keen to have him available for the Ashes in Australia later this year after the impact he had during the 2010-11 series.

Last month, he told ESPNcricinfo that he was confident his body would now allow him to get through Test matches again. "If I was picked for a Test tomorrow I'd be confident," he said. "If you had asked me that three games into the season, my honest answer would have been that I'm not ready to play Test cricket. But now I have some games under my belt, I have my confidence back. I feel I'm ready now. I've no doubt."

Panesar, the other bowler brought into the squad, remains England's second spinner in Test cricket despite a difficult tour of New Zealand where he had to take on the main role in Graeme Swann's absence. He enjoyed some success against the Australians at Hove with 3 for 70, which followed a five-wicket haul against Middlesex, although his overall Championship returns this season are a modest 21 wickets at 40.09.

Geoff Miller, the national selector, said: "Chris Tremlett has worked hard to regain fitness and form following a couple of injuries and his performances for Surrey this season have been very encouraging. Including an additional spinner in Monty Panesar who has plenty of international experience provides Alastair Cook and Andy Flower with a number of options.

"Kevin Pietersen is continuing his recovery from a calf strain and he will be assessed by the medical team closer to the start of the Test and we have therefore included an extra batsman in James Taylor who has been in good form for Nottinghamshire this season." Miller said. Taylor is currently playing for Sussex against the Australians in the tour match at Hove.

It would be a quirk of fate if it were to be Taylor who replaced Pietersen, given the stories that emerged following his Test debut against South Africa, at Headingley last year, where he had an extended partnership with Pietersen, although may not have overly impressed his senior team-mate.

After being abruptly dropped after his two appearances against South Africa, and not even named in the England performance squad at the start of the season, Taylor was told to churn out the runs at domestic level and work on some technical flaws which concerned the selectors, specifically his ability to handle deliveries outside off stump.

His performances for Nottinghamshire, where he has made 824 runs at 58.85 in the Championship, mean he has done all he can at county level to make the selectors consider him again.

Squad Alastair Cook (capt), Joe Root, Jonathan Trott, Kevin Pietersen, Ian Bell, Jonny Bairstow, James Taylor, Matt Prior, Tim Bresnan, Stuart Broad, Graeme Swann, James Anderson, Chris Tremlett, Monty Panesar

Andrew McGlashan is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • jmcilhinney on July 28, 2013, 9:17 GMT

    Interesting selections. I don't see Monty getting a run but they probably just want him to be ready in case of a last-minute issue with Swann. This will feel like a blow to Finn but I think that it's probably the best thing for him. He's obviously still got some issues related to his run-up that are affecting his consistency so let him go back to domestic cricket and work out the kinks without the pressure of Test cricket. I've no doubt he'll be back. The question is whether Tremlett is actually ready for Test cricket yet. I'm guessing that Bresnan will get the nod anyway but Tremlett, while apparently improving, doesn't seem yet to be all the way back to his best. This is probably more about intensifying his training in order to have him firing in time for the return series in Australia. As for Taylor, it's tough knowing that he's got just one chance to impress, if he even gets that, but I'm sure he'll get an extended run at some point and do well.

  • Pyketts on July 28, 2013, 8:39 GMT

    Glad to see Taylor being given another chance, think he's probably the best of new breed of English batsman so will be interesting to see how he does and if he's addressed his issues outside the off stump.

    I can see why they have recalled Monty but would have been tempted to give Kerrigan a go (if required), he's younger and more of an option for the future replacement for Swan. Let's be honest, he wouldn't exactly be playing in the highest pressure game and it would be against average opposition so it's the perfect chance to give him a go.

    As a thought, we could just use Root as the second spinner as he looked pretty handy in the last game. Shame KP isn't fit as he could have taken the role of third spinner and thus no need for Monty.

    To be honest, I'm just happy they didn't bring back Nick "the Snail" Compton!

  • H_Z_O on July 30, 2013, 16:36 GMT

    @JG2704 I think when he gets it right he can be unplayable. Bowls a bit faster than Jimmy, gets more bounce and if he bowls the right length, he gets swing too. Has a good cricketing brain and some good changes of pace so when there's nothing in it for him, he can still come up with ways to get batsmen out.

    The really pleasing thing has been how much more consistent he's getting. Jimmy's real asset isn't just the wickets he takes, but his accuracy, which gives Cook control even when things aren't going his way. Broad's increasing consistency means we've got more ability to sustain the pressure, and we all know pressure gets wickets, no matter what the conditions are like.

    As for picking him when not fully fit, I feel as though the worst aspect of that isn't even what it does to him or the team. It's that we never use those times to look at our other options, to give one of our young quicks a go. We'll never know if they're up to Test standard if they don't play.

  • 2MikeGattings on July 30, 2013, 14:47 GMT

    Kerrigan is a Lancs lad but the test wicket at OT is on the original square and plays differently from the new strips that Kerrigan has been taking all those wickets on. Anyway you have to think Monty is there strictly as cover for Swann.

  • RichardG on July 30, 2013, 9:20 GMT

    GiantScrub: I wasn't denying that Bairstow is 'not learning' (though given his age, he's still got time). I was saying that calling for Taylor - who gets out consistently lbw in county cricket when playing across the line - to replace him because of his technical deficiencies seems a little odd. Bairstow has worked out a way to be effective in Test cricket this year. He doesn't deserve to be dropped.

  • GiantScrub on July 30, 2013, 5:25 GMT

    RichardG: Bairstow does not learn. He's been bowled five and a half times in fifteen innings. I remember watching the Lord's test against SA last year - he played the same mindless T20 swipe to an identical innocuous straight one from Morkel, with the exact same result. I have no problem with players playing across the line, as long as they either confine it to balls that are missing the stumps, or are Viv Richards and never miss.

  • JG2704 on July 29, 2013, 21:38 GMT

    @SDH12 - Re Monty/Kerrigan - I'd have gone for SK for this one because his stats have been better and it's on his home ground . Re Monty , it's a weird one as they ditched him in SL after the 1st test after he'd done so well in UAE and yet he looked short of ideas in NZ. Sure you could say he it would be harsh after 1 poor tour but he doesn't appear to have done so much since he got back to England

    @H_Z_O / cric_J - Broad seems to be every "Neutral" fan's Love To Hate person. I have at times criticised his inclusion when not fully fit , but when he is fit and on his game he's up there with Jimmy for me. The one thing I'm always wary of is picking an injury prone bowler in a 4 man bowling attack , but personally I'm a big Broad fan and for me he exudes passion.

  • H_Z_O on July 29, 2013, 17:50 GMT

    @cric_J hey now, I know JG2704 and I agree on a lot of things, but I'm not him! I'd have to agree with you about Broad being our second best, although I must confess that before the series I would have said Finn was. Mostly because I wasn't sure the lessons from Broad's performance against New Zealand at Lord's would sink in.

    He has a good bouncer, and he should use it, but I've always felt he should look at Glenn McGrath as a role model. They're of a similar build, similar pace, but Glenn's success came from bowling most of his deliveries on the right line and length, and then using the odd sharper short one (just ask Pietersen, whose ribs he broke) just when the batsman least expects it. I thought the Oval in 2009 was a turning point, but then he started bowling short again.

    I'm not saying he's McGrath (he's not) or even close, but there's nothing wrong with taking inspiration from a fast bowler who has a lot of physical similarities to you. A fast bowler with 563 Test wickets.

  • SirViv1973 on July 29, 2013, 17:43 GMT

    Quite a few comments regarding Onions non inclusion. Even if he would have made the squad he wouldn't have played so with Durham having a CC game during test it's best he gets some overs under his belt. I am surprised to see Lurch back, his form has been pretty mediocre for Surrey so far & my feeling was that he probably needed a few more FC games to get somewhere near his best & prove he was worth a place on the winter tour. Some saying Monty is there as cover but I think he's been picked because there is a very small chance Eng could go with both spinners, if they think this is going to be a raging Bunsen. We shouldn't forget that on the dry turning tracks in Ind during the winter he was our best bowler & he has an outstanding record at OT, however my gut feeling is it will be the same bowling unit as Lords . As for Taylor we knew he would be in the squad, if KP does fail to makes it he plays & if he does well it maybe enough to get him on the plane to Aus later in the yr.

  • RichardG on July 29, 2013, 14:37 GMT

    GiantScrub: "I live in hope that the selectors drop the technically inadequate Bairstow for him or Ballance before he gets bowled again trying to swat another straight one over midwicket."

    Have you seen Taylor bat? He plays across the line and around his front pad every bit as much as Bairstow. And let's not forget that Bairstow - for all his faults - is the third highest scoring batsman in this series thus far. The people seemingly willing him to fail perplex me.

    Henrick Loven - Kerrigan will wait because spin bowling, more than any other discipline in cricket, is reliant on experience. As Shane Warne - a freak who still was 23 before establishing himself at international level - says, spin bowlers need to get their 'neck ache' before they are ready.

  • jmcilhinney on July 28, 2013, 9:17 GMT

    Interesting selections. I don't see Monty getting a run but they probably just want him to be ready in case of a last-minute issue with Swann. This will feel like a blow to Finn but I think that it's probably the best thing for him. He's obviously still got some issues related to his run-up that are affecting his consistency so let him go back to domestic cricket and work out the kinks without the pressure of Test cricket. I've no doubt he'll be back. The question is whether Tremlett is actually ready for Test cricket yet. I'm guessing that Bresnan will get the nod anyway but Tremlett, while apparently improving, doesn't seem yet to be all the way back to his best. This is probably more about intensifying his training in order to have him firing in time for the return series in Australia. As for Taylor, it's tough knowing that he's got just one chance to impress, if he even gets that, but I'm sure he'll get an extended run at some point and do well.

  • Pyketts on July 28, 2013, 8:39 GMT

    Glad to see Taylor being given another chance, think he's probably the best of new breed of English batsman so will be interesting to see how he does and if he's addressed his issues outside the off stump.

    I can see why they have recalled Monty but would have been tempted to give Kerrigan a go (if required), he's younger and more of an option for the future replacement for Swan. Let's be honest, he wouldn't exactly be playing in the highest pressure game and it would be against average opposition so it's the perfect chance to give him a go.

    As a thought, we could just use Root as the second spinner as he looked pretty handy in the last game. Shame KP isn't fit as he could have taken the role of third spinner and thus no need for Monty.

    To be honest, I'm just happy they didn't bring back Nick "the Snail" Compton!

  • H_Z_O on July 30, 2013, 16:36 GMT

    @JG2704 I think when he gets it right he can be unplayable. Bowls a bit faster than Jimmy, gets more bounce and if he bowls the right length, he gets swing too. Has a good cricketing brain and some good changes of pace so when there's nothing in it for him, he can still come up with ways to get batsmen out.

    The really pleasing thing has been how much more consistent he's getting. Jimmy's real asset isn't just the wickets he takes, but his accuracy, which gives Cook control even when things aren't going his way. Broad's increasing consistency means we've got more ability to sustain the pressure, and we all know pressure gets wickets, no matter what the conditions are like.

    As for picking him when not fully fit, I feel as though the worst aspect of that isn't even what it does to him or the team. It's that we never use those times to look at our other options, to give one of our young quicks a go. We'll never know if they're up to Test standard if they don't play.

  • 2MikeGattings on July 30, 2013, 14:47 GMT

    Kerrigan is a Lancs lad but the test wicket at OT is on the original square and plays differently from the new strips that Kerrigan has been taking all those wickets on. Anyway you have to think Monty is there strictly as cover for Swann.

  • RichardG on July 30, 2013, 9:20 GMT

    GiantScrub: I wasn't denying that Bairstow is 'not learning' (though given his age, he's still got time). I was saying that calling for Taylor - who gets out consistently lbw in county cricket when playing across the line - to replace him because of his technical deficiencies seems a little odd. Bairstow has worked out a way to be effective in Test cricket this year. He doesn't deserve to be dropped.

  • GiantScrub on July 30, 2013, 5:25 GMT

    RichardG: Bairstow does not learn. He's been bowled five and a half times in fifteen innings. I remember watching the Lord's test against SA last year - he played the same mindless T20 swipe to an identical innocuous straight one from Morkel, with the exact same result. I have no problem with players playing across the line, as long as they either confine it to balls that are missing the stumps, or are Viv Richards and never miss.

  • JG2704 on July 29, 2013, 21:38 GMT

    @SDH12 - Re Monty/Kerrigan - I'd have gone for SK for this one because his stats have been better and it's on his home ground . Re Monty , it's a weird one as they ditched him in SL after the 1st test after he'd done so well in UAE and yet he looked short of ideas in NZ. Sure you could say he it would be harsh after 1 poor tour but he doesn't appear to have done so much since he got back to England

    @H_Z_O / cric_J - Broad seems to be every "Neutral" fan's Love To Hate person. I have at times criticised his inclusion when not fully fit , but when he is fit and on his game he's up there with Jimmy for me. The one thing I'm always wary of is picking an injury prone bowler in a 4 man bowling attack , but personally I'm a big Broad fan and for me he exudes passion.

  • H_Z_O on July 29, 2013, 17:50 GMT

    @cric_J hey now, I know JG2704 and I agree on a lot of things, but I'm not him! I'd have to agree with you about Broad being our second best, although I must confess that before the series I would have said Finn was. Mostly because I wasn't sure the lessons from Broad's performance against New Zealand at Lord's would sink in.

    He has a good bouncer, and he should use it, but I've always felt he should look at Glenn McGrath as a role model. They're of a similar build, similar pace, but Glenn's success came from bowling most of his deliveries on the right line and length, and then using the odd sharper short one (just ask Pietersen, whose ribs he broke) just when the batsman least expects it. I thought the Oval in 2009 was a turning point, but then he started bowling short again.

    I'm not saying he's McGrath (he's not) or even close, but there's nothing wrong with taking inspiration from a fast bowler who has a lot of physical similarities to you. A fast bowler with 563 Test wickets.

  • SirViv1973 on July 29, 2013, 17:43 GMT

    Quite a few comments regarding Onions non inclusion. Even if he would have made the squad he wouldn't have played so with Durham having a CC game during test it's best he gets some overs under his belt. I am surprised to see Lurch back, his form has been pretty mediocre for Surrey so far & my feeling was that he probably needed a few more FC games to get somewhere near his best & prove he was worth a place on the winter tour. Some saying Monty is there as cover but I think he's been picked because there is a very small chance Eng could go with both spinners, if they think this is going to be a raging Bunsen. We shouldn't forget that on the dry turning tracks in Ind during the winter he was our best bowler & he has an outstanding record at OT, however my gut feeling is it will be the same bowling unit as Lords . As for Taylor we knew he would be in the squad, if KP does fail to makes it he plays & if he does well it maybe enough to get him on the plane to Aus later in the yr.

  • RichardG on July 29, 2013, 14:37 GMT

    GiantScrub: "I live in hope that the selectors drop the technically inadequate Bairstow for him or Ballance before he gets bowled again trying to swat another straight one over midwicket."

    Have you seen Taylor bat? He plays across the line and around his front pad every bit as much as Bairstow. And let's not forget that Bairstow - for all his faults - is the third highest scoring batsman in this series thus far. The people seemingly willing him to fail perplex me.

    Henrick Loven - Kerrigan will wait because spin bowling, more than any other discipline in cricket, is reliant on experience. As Shane Warne - a freak who still was 23 before establishing himself at international level - says, spin bowlers need to get their 'neck ache' before they are ready.

  • cric_J on July 29, 2013, 13:10 GMT

    @Bhavesh Buch : Well mate, I know that Broad is a very decent batsman as well but that does not mean that he is a "part timer" ! Not by any means. And BTW by saying so , are you suggesting that India lost 24 wkts to a "part timer" on the 2011 tour ?

    You desperately need to understand that bowling is not just about getting 5 fors and 10 fors. It is also about creating pressure and making the batsman unsure and uncomfortable. And Broad was the best of all seamers at doing that at Lord's.

    @JG2704 : Couldn't agree more with you re Broad. Just like Jimmy in his early days, Broad used to bowl the most unplayable spells immediately followed by the most horrendous ones. The only thing he was consistent at was at being inconsistent. But over the last two years, he has evolved into a much more mature , dependable and consistent bowler. And IMO he is surely England's second best test seamer at present , although a lot of people may beg to differ with me.

  • SDHM on July 29, 2013, 10:51 GMT

    @JG - it's an odd situation. It would have been harsh to drop Monty after just one poor tour, but I do think form should have more say with the selectors, espeically for bowlers, than it currently does. Fact is Monty nowadays only seems to bowl well in tandem with Swann, whilst Kerrigan is quite clearly earmarked as his replacement. Seems like a missed trick not to get him involved, especially seeing as its at his home ground. Not a liability in the field like Monty either; he's not exactly an athlete, but a safe pair of hands at least. Can hang around at the crease too, although he's hardly what you'd call a batsman!

    @2MikeGattings - Kerrigan barely plays limited overs cricket for Lancs. Why not pick young players in the format they are most comfortable in?

  • H_Z_O on July 29, 2013, 10:30 GMT

    @Bhavesh Buch would that be the same part-time bowler that took more wickets in both series against New Zealand, at a better strike rate and average, than Jimmy?

    In fact, in the last two years Broad's taken 85 wickets at 26 and a strike rate of 53. Jimmy's taken 94 at an average of 27 and strike rate of 60. And Broad was injured for a lot of that. He not only played less Tests, but carried niggles into Tests.

    Broad's career record suffers from the same problem Jimmy's has done. They both went through a phase where they were just cannon fodder, but England stuck with them figuring they'd become better players for the experience. And they have. The appointment of David Saker, too, has helped both of them come on a lot.

    Since Saker's appointment Broad's record is fairly comparable to Anderson's.

    Broad was arguably our best seamer at Lord's, yet you're suggesting we drop him? You clearly can't have watched the match and are judging him on the scorecard. It doesn't tell the whole story.

  • on July 29, 2013, 8:49 GMT

    I think they should left out KP and Broad,,, include a good sensible batsman in place of KP and replace Tremlat in place of Broad,,,,Broad is kind of part time bowler,,,tremlat, finn and bresnan has better records than him,,,,

  • Tom_Bowler on July 29, 2013, 8:18 GMT

    Panesar's record at OT is outstanding and bowlers of Tremlett's type have done well there in the past, with Finn needing to work on his run up it's a good selection. I don't see either of them playing but they are sound horses for courses picks. Good squad and one that should be well capable of doing the job, I could whine because the selectors have failed to choose one of my favourites or retained someone I don't personally rate but at two up with two played I'm feeling pretty sunny.

  • on July 29, 2013, 6:01 GMT

    No GiantScrub, Panesar is actually a much worse pick and you gave the main reason yourself - "Panesar's big problem is that... ...he bowls too fast to beat the batsman in flight". This is one of, if not the, main weapon of spinners and Panesar does not possess it while Kerrigan does it and in spades. Add to this Panesar's, shall we call it, awkwardness with bat and in the field. Root, Bairstow & Taylor were all given the chance long before their 25th birthday - why should Kerrigan have to wait until both Swann and Panesar have retired...

  • on July 29, 2013, 5:18 GMT

    England will stick to the winning team, their aim will be 5-0 and no experiments.

  • GiantScrub on July 29, 2013, 3:45 GMT

    Panesar is actually a better pick than Kerrigan for this series since the Australian batting lineup is looking so shaky and the OT pitch is taking turn. Panesar's big problem is that when the pitch is flat and batsmen are in form, he gets absolutely carted because he bowls too fast to beat the batsman in flight, and when you couple that with his mental preparation issues it's all downhill. On an Indian-style turner he can be unplayable, though - not that I expect two spinners this game. Happy for James Taylor - I live in hope that the selectors drop the technically inadequate Bairstow for him or Ballance before he gets bowled again trying to swat another straight one over midwicket.

  • landl47 on July 29, 2013, 3:27 GMT

    @Barry Chandler: so what's your point? Rogers is Australian, an opener and 35 years old. Taylor is a Brit, bats #4, and 23 years old. What have the two selections got to do with each other?

  • FieryFerg on July 28, 2013, 21:49 GMT

    Well at least Onions will get back to somewhere he is appreciated and get wickets for Durham. Far better bowler than Bresnan (ask county batsmen who they'd rather face) but obviously his face doesn't fit with Cook and Flower. Don't know why they persist including him in squads when he has no chance of playing. Hope Anderson performs coz with Bresnan, Broad and Tremlett the stumps ain't going to be in much danger!

  • 2MikeGattings on July 28, 2013, 21:31 GMT

    Doubtless Kerrigan will turn out for the one dayers sometime soon. Tredwell seems generally closer to the selectors' minds than Panesar these days but his county form has been particularly lousy this year.

    Taylor is clearly only in as cover since he was dropped from the Performance squad earlier in the year, Root having superseded him in all 3 formats.

  • JG2704 on July 28, 2013, 20:16 GMT

    @Mitty2 / R_U_4_REAL_NICK - I'd actually have to agree with Mitty in that on current form CT should not be in the squad although as said , pace isn't everything

    @cric_J / SDH12 - Good thoughts here. I'm guessing CT doesn't get near the starting line up or shouldn't on current form but I suppose there's no harm in having him around the squad and at the same time I hope he actually properly earns a recall to the side with figures on the pitch For me Monty over Kerrigan is controversial. Aside from the fact that his (SK) stats are better this year (albeit in div 2) the game's also at his home ground. Monty is maybe like the bowling version of Ravi in that he is often harshly dropped when he seems to have done little wrong but then does little to justify a recall.

  • Iddo555 on July 28, 2013, 19:33 GMT

    I'm surprised Monty got included, he's had a poor year in first class and is being completely out performed by the kid Kerrigan who plays his county cricket at Lancashire. As he's not likely to play anyway, why not give the kid Kerrigan a chance to hang around the England team? Seems like the perfect test to do it as it is his home ground. Tremlett has not done much this year either, so that is another surprise. The only reason could be that they wanted Finn and Onions to go away and play some county games because I don't see either Monty or Tremlett playing

  • Lmaotsetung on July 28, 2013, 19:05 GMT

    Monty is strictly a horse for course selection. Look up his record at OT granted they were before the pitch was turned.

  • axe_hay on July 28, 2013, 18:45 GMT

    Its good to see Taylor getting a nod. He deserves it. The selectors should also look at Michael Carberry . James Hildreth and Gary Balance for the future.

  • Shan156 on July 28, 2013, 18:43 GMT

    To be fair to Bairstow, he did not get a continuous extended run in the team. But, Bairstow looks like he has some real problems playing spin. He should probably be retained in the XI for the home Ashes. If he fails, he should not be in the plane down under for the return series. Taylor looks like a proper test batsman and should be given a continuous run in the team. We need to expose more batsmen at the international level.

  • AltafPatel on July 28, 2013, 18:43 GMT

    When a team is winning and all going well, the rhythm should not be disturbed psychologically. Such decision only puts pressure on the players about their position in the team. When Eng is eyeing 5-0, this will surely have mentally effect on the team for days to come.

  • Shan156 on July 28, 2013, 18:39 GMT

    Tremlett's addition to the squad is welcome but Finn's omission is not. Although one can understand that the selectors want him to hone his skills in county and correct some technical problems. Panesar should not be anywhere near the team for tests played in England. Remember those years when he was our first choice spinner and we seldom won (India 2007, SL 2007-2008, NZ 2007-2008, NZ 2008, SA 2008, and NZ 2012-2013 - what did he do in all those series?) Monty, outside the SC, is all hype and no substance. Add to it his useless batting and fielding and you can understand why he adds little, if any, value to the team.

    Hopefully, KP will get fit before the test. A middle order reading Taylor and Bairstow doesn't fill me with confidence especially considering Cook, Trott, and Prior are not in the best of forms. Bairstow, except for his two good innings against SA at Lord's, has been mediocre. Who was the last Eng. batsman who did not score a century after 10 tests?

  • Amith_S on July 28, 2013, 18:24 GMT

    Swann and Monty on both ends is bad news for us, our lefties will especially be tested but i back the likes of Smith, Khawaja and Watson to come through for us.

  • on July 28, 2013, 17:01 GMT

    The selection of Tremlett is good. Should play for Finn.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on July 28, 2013, 16:26 GMT

    @Mitty2: "...just because control is more important than pace, doesn't mean we go around suggesting that Clint Mckay should be in Aus' test team ;)" - Well maybe that's why the scoreline is what it is. One of these days I'll maybe make a selector for the Aus. team; couldn't do much worse than the current crop ;-)

  • browners76 on July 28, 2013, 15:49 GMT

    I'm sure our rather boring selectors will go with the tried and tested formula that played the last test. I would love to see Tremlett getting the ball to fly through and Aussie batsmen jumping around. Kerrigan should be the second spinner. His form this year is better than Panesar and he has local knowledge( including a 12 wk haul) a few weeks ago. He's also a better all round cricketer. Hopefully KP is fit and will finally catch fire in this series. The extra pace and bounce should aid him and also Prior. Aussies will struggle here, it's Jimmy's home track after all.

  • cric_J on July 28, 2013, 14:55 GMT

    @SDH12 : Yeah , I know that. That's why I said in my previous comment that it may be good afterall for Finny. Considering he surely won't get a game at Trafford ahead of Bres , which is very fair to Bres's fine efforts at Lord's, it would rather be a blessing in disguise for him , I guess. You are right that he needs to sort out his run up and other issues. But most importantly he needs to find some rhythm and control and get back his confidence. The Middlesex game in CC would be a good place to do that.

  • on July 28, 2013, 14:26 GMT

    Nice to see our best spinner and best paceman getting recalls

  • SDHM on July 28, 2013, 14:22 GMT

    @cric_J - worth pointing out that both Middlesex and Durham have games during the Test, whilst Surrey don't. It might be that England want Finn and Onions to get more overs in their legs, which is just good planning if you ask me - Finn needs to bowl, sort out his run up and get back in a confident frame of mind.

  • SDHM on July 28, 2013, 14:10 GMT

    Genuinely think England have missed out on a golden opportunity to get Kerrigan involved if they're thinking of two spinners; on his home ground and in excellent form, he would have been brimming with confidence. I doubt Monty's considered a like-for-like replacement for Swann - surely that'd be Tredwell? - so it just seems like a waste: a perfect time to get Kerrigan in and around the set-up, even if he, or indeed Monty, are unlikely to play. Annoyingly short-sighted.

  • cric_J on July 28, 2013, 14:00 GMT

    As expected, it's Taylor who gets the chance and a pretty well deserved one it is. But I am a touch concerned about KP. Considering that the third and fourth tests have just a 3 day gap , it may well be possible that if he misses out at Old Trafford then he may well miss out at Chelster-le-street too. And I don't want to see England winning this Ashes (which seems the most probable thing ATM) without a good , solid trademark KP knock. More importantly , England's top 4 have looked pretty shaky (barring Root's 180) and the last thing you need in that case is KP sitting out.

    As for Monty, the most plausible explanation is that he has come in as cover for Swanny. Another could be that he has an impeccable record at Trafford. Though I'm 99% sure we will go in with the same attack. But Cook's been upto some weird stuff lately, so you never know. Jimmy's 13 over spell, not scoring too many himself, Bres over Finn at Lord's, the declaration. But since they have all payed off, so no problems.

  • cric_J on July 28, 2013, 13:42 GMT

    @JG2704 : Totally agree with you that this is a hard one on Finny. It's true that barring his first spell he was horrendous in that first test and deserved to be dropped at Lord's (although I'm sure he would have done much better than Trent Bridge had he been selected). But one poor performance doesn't mean he should be thrown out of the 14 man squad as well. Inconsistency is a problem with 7 out of 10 international level fast bowlers !

    He showed he that could be a real handful with his pace when the bowl doesn't swing much at Headingley against NZ this year. And although Tremlett is a good bowler and probably a "safer" one , I'd say he doesn't have the attacking edge that Finny has when both are at their best.

    Anyways, I'm sure England won't tinker with their bowling attack for Old Trafford but for an injury. So it would probably be good afterall if Finny could get a good game in the CC and get back some control and confidence.

  • H_Z_O on July 28, 2013, 13:35 GMT

    @Mitty2 "But also, just because control is more important than pace, doesn't mean we go around suggesting that Clint Mckay should be in Aus' test team ;)"

    Maybe he should be ;).

    All jokes aside, I think the reason Tremlett was picked is in case the pitch looks like it'll have lots of bounce. Onions wouldn't fit the bill, as he's not a tall bowler, and if anything, Bresnan's more likely to get something out of a bouncy pitch than Onions, because he bowls a heavy ball.

    Tremlett's more of a like-for-like with Finn. While his form isn't much to write home about, as you rightly point out, Finn lost his head at Trent Bridge. That's something you'd rarely associate with Tremlett. Even if he's down on pace, he tends bowl with plenty of control.

    A lot will probably depend on the weather and the state of the pitch. There's been a lot more rain, so the pitch and outfield could have some moisture, making it less likely to reverse. If so, I think Bresnan becomes a less appealing option.

  • whatawicket on July 28, 2013, 13:23 GMT

    selecting Monty in the pool is strange the only thing i could think is maybe an injury doubt to Swann but i doubt playing them both is a consideration perhaps just to mess up the aussies thinking ? Tremlett selection similar,maybe just keeping them in the loop, both i expect selected this winter. team for Thursday is simple KP or JT

  • SDHM on July 28, 2013, 13:06 GMT

    @nlpdave - and where's this leg spinner you think we should be playing? Rashid or Borthwick? Hardly ready. I'd have picked Kerrigan rather than Panesar, but I think a second spinner just to give yourself the option is often a good idea.

  • nlpdave on July 28, 2013, 12:51 GMT

    It's a bit of a pointless story as the same team will play with possibly the exception of KP for fitness reasons. It is just an 'opportunity' for Tremlett and Panesar to carry the drinks. The current regime seem to be incapable of thinking beyond their limited selections to date. We certainly do need an option of another spinner but it should be leg spin and someone who can bat. Despite pitiful performances against NZ in New Zealand and beating them here as expected we now face a poor Australia and wont be 'tested' properly in the test arena again until South Africa. It seems as though the objective is to do just enough to justify ultra conservatism in selection whereas the fans might like to see England as clearly the best side in the word. They are a good side but not a great side and good is 'good enough'.

  • on July 28, 2013, 12:41 GMT

    @Aussiesfalling - Panesar has 622 FC wickets from 187 matches at 30.88 with a SR of 68.2 (eco 2.80). Monty has 34 five-wicket hauls and has taken ten in a match five times. Kerrigan has 161 FC W from his 47 matches at 26.50 with a SR of 56.6 (eco 2.80). Kerrigan has already eleven five-fors and two 10 w/m. Apart from nine div 2 games this season, all his other games are Div 1 or for the England Lions. The long and short of it is that Kerrigan needs two overs less per wicket and at 24 is already demonstrably the superior player. Tough on Monty, but that's it.

  • landl47 on July 28, 2013, 12:41 GMT

    England are rotating the reserves, which isn't a bad plan. Finn and Onions have been sitting doing nothing for a while now and need to play some cricket, especially Finn who still has some technical issues to work on. Given the result at Lord's, I don't think there's any chance that England will make any changes that aren't needed. Monty's there as cover for Swann, Taylor for Pietersen and Tremlett for any of the seamers. Pietersen's in the only injury that's been reported, so hopefully nothing unexpected will occur.

    England's squad for the Ashes in Australia is beginning to take shape. I think Martyn Smith has it more or less right, though I suspect they will take another opener as cover for Cook and Root. Whether that means a party of 17 or one less seamer, we shall see.

    @Aussiesfalling: Why would Monty play tests until he is 2 years older than Swann's retirement age? Monty is already being rapidly overtaken by Kerrigan, who is 7 years younger. Try doing those numbers.

  • on July 28, 2013, 12:37 GMT

    @Martyn Smith - I thought they took 18 on tour. Who would be your back-up opener? I'd be OK with Bairstow as back-up wk if Prior was out for 1 Test, but if something happened before the series started which meant Prior was out for all of it, I'd rather have someone else behind the stumps as I don't believe Bairstow is good enough at the moment.

  • lummox on July 28, 2013, 12:18 GMT

    Tremlett ? Sorry Watched him 4 times for Surrey this year, and mediocre to poor at best. Don't understand at all. Finn and Onions a much better bet. and I say this as a Surrey supporter

  • on July 28, 2013, 12:16 GMT

    Taylor has only scored 34 more runs in the Championship this year than Rogers did before joining up with the Australian squad and Rogers has an average of nearly 66 from those 790 runs. Their counties are both in Division 1, so they faced similar attacks. Rogers was called up partly because he has scored so may runs in England over a number of years, which hasn't exactly worked. I know Taylor has just made a century for Sussex, but the pressure of a tour match compared to the pressure of a Test match is entirely different, especially as I think the wicket at OT will behave differently from the one at Hove.

  • HawK89 on July 28, 2013, 12:07 GMT

    Don't see any of them playing, unless injury grants them a spot.

  • Robster1 on July 28, 2013, 12:05 GMT

    Given Monty's poor form this year, he's fortunate to be anywhere near the squad. Yes, it would mean two off spinners but Tredwell would currently seem a better option.

  • on July 28, 2013, 11:35 GMT

    My 16 for the Ashes in Australia this winter would be: Cook (c), Root, Trott, Pietersen, Bell, Bairstow (batsman and reserve keeper), Taylor, Prior, Swann, Panesar, Anderson, Broad, Bresnan, Tremlett, Finn and Onions

  • on July 28, 2013, 11:27 GMT

    I think the 'dropping' of Onions is more of a "go and play some cricket" back with Durham. He is unlikely to feature at OT due to the normal way that pitch plays. Expect him back soon.

  • aracer on July 28, 2013, 11:22 GMT

    @Nutcutlet - there's already a reserve w/k in the England team.

  • Aussiesfalling on July 28, 2013, 11:20 GMT

    @Nasher again Panesar's 'modest' record of taking 21 championship wickets makes him the leading wicket taker among spinners in Division 1. When you also look at his miserley economy rate, you have to conclude that Panesar is also a form pick.

  • coldcoffee123 on July 28, 2013, 11:04 GMT

    I like the way England is putting their best XI on the field. They want to win the Ashes 10-0. On the other hand, Australia is "dreaming" about winning, they are not showing the intent to do so, they are not putting their best XI on the park, they are in fact blaming their best performing players for not making MORE runs. I never thought I would see Aussie cricket turned into a my-ego-is-bigger-than-yours circus. Mitchell Johnson and Simon Katich are in the form of their lives, but not good enough to play for Australia. I predict that Australia will not win ANY test match against India, Eng, SA for the next 5 years. I have only one thing to say to CA: WOW !! and OUCH !!

  • 2.14istherunrate on July 28, 2013, 10:59 GMT

    This an interesting XIV,more so than usual. I think Onions will be on the sidelines until there is wicket with some juice in it, which means probably not in 2013. Finn should not be unnecessarily dejected and knows if he produces his best form he will return, though the present seam attack looks good and Bresnan had a good game going into odd spaces no-one else went. Of course in a dry summer the two spinner option looks fun and the two spinners play well with eachother. tremlett being back in favour just means that. Unless the wicket is very bouncy and fast he will probably wait, but it is a good thing he is around after his time out. Will this be a rare occasion on which England play 5 bowlers? Are England batting well enough to afford themselves this luxury? 3 seamers,2 spinners? I thinki probably they will stay with the trusted formula but it is a pleasant whimsy for a Sunday. Monty is not there for fielding anyway.

  • Mitty2 on July 28, 2013, 10:57 GMT

    @R_U_4_REAL_NICK, my comment was more so regarding his rhythm, in which, (I'll say again) by all reports hasn't too good. And anyway, I've always thought England would have a more balanced attack with Onions in it rather than both Broad and Finn, despite the fact that Onions has lost pace since his back injury.

    But also, just because control is more important than pace, doesn't mean we go around suggesting that Clint Mckay should be in Aus' test team ;)

  • 5wombats on July 28, 2013, 10:39 GMT

    Absolutely delighted to see Lurch in the squad! It's obvious that he is coming to Aus this winter. He'll put the fear of God in them just like he did last time. Not sure he or Monty or Taylor will play at Old Trafford though.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on July 28, 2013, 10:37 GMT

    @Mitty2 (post on July 28, 2013, 10:05 GMT): for the millionth time... you do not need to bowl fast in U.K. conditions. Steyn and Morkel barely reached 80mph last tour. Swing and seam are much more dangerous weapons for seam bowlers, and in order to exploit those more good bowlers drop their pace accordingly. A lot of the commentators still think even Jimmy Anderson is bowling too fast, especially to tail-enders.

    Seeing Tremlett in the photo there with his knee all bandaged up like that does not strike confidence in me at all! Was he really better than the likes of Onions?

  • on July 28, 2013, 10:29 GMT

    I really feel for Onions! Not given even 1 chance recently, then dropped. England have messed him around,and he deserves to feel aggrieved.

  • Cmar on July 28, 2013, 10:29 GMT

    Why is it England pick players on past form instead of present. Tremlett did very well 2 years back down under but very average in County cricket. Players should be picked on form. Brennan is another a couple of average Yorks performances and in. KP the guy wouldn't even turn out. Currently we are playing a poor Aussie side. We were number 1 before SA games last summer. I can see England Be in the same position as Aus in a couple of years when instead of keeping team fresh with inform players the older guys will all go out of the team the same time.

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on July 28, 2013, 10:15 GMT

    James Taylor is yet another English batting talent who has both the technique and the temperament to bat at 4. Interesting, those are traits that not a single one of the Aussie top six hold themselves. That's probably one of the reasons why they are two nil down after two tests. Just the name Tremlett no doubt brings back reoccurring Aussie nightmares from the last Ashes, so it's good to see him fit again.

  • Nutcutlet on July 28, 2013, 10:12 GMT

    This selection for the OT Test takes a lot of the guesswork out of the composition of the touring side to Oz later this year; the selectors have revealed their hand. In all likelihood & barring injury, all 14 named here are going. I'd have thought that if Finn (or more specifically, Finn's action & accuracy) comes together then he will also go, but where he'll be in the pecking order is a matter for conjecture. If it isn't to be Finn, then it must be Onions, again! At least he's got the right name as onions repeat on you, I believe. I can't see an England side with both Finn & Tremlett for obvious reasons. What else remains to be decided? A reserve w/k? A 3rd spinner? With Root being developing into a batting all-rounder in the Kane Williamson mould, there appears no persuasive argument for anyone else. That's tough on Simon Kerrigan. The rabbit from the hat must be Prior's understudy. Now, there's the real talking point. The field is wide open. Time for the Myers-Briggs Test !

  • Mitty2 on July 28, 2013, 10:05 GMT

    Despite Tremlett's brilliant tour down under... From all reports that I've read he was bowling at much slower pace at around 82-83mp/h (correct me if I'm wrong, I was only following the County when Cowan and Rogers were playing) and apart from a 5 wicket haul against Derbyshire his county performances have been pretty mediocre... From the outside it seems like a rash decision. Onions is a better option IMO

    This is a HUGE setback for Finn - who still has the potential to be an absolute gun - he's now been dropped from two different ashes series. But the way he bowled at TB was so incredibly mindless. His first spell was good, but the rest was absolute cannon fodder. Him v Agar/Hughes was... Pressure relieving to be kind.

    Bresnan bowled well at Lord's and he will play at OT, but if our batsmen actually had any temperament he wouldn't be a problem. Interesting to see how Anderson bowls, he looked a bit out of puff at Lord's. Based on Panesar's county/NZ form, Swann can;t get injured.

  • on July 28, 2013, 9:30 GMT

    Again England fail to call up the in-form second-best spinner and to boot it's on his home ground where he recently took 12 out of 15 Glamorgan wickets to fall on a batsman's paradise. Monty is good, he deserves some loyalty but that can as on this occasion be taken too far. Monty is not the future, Kerrigan is and eventually he will replace Swann as England's premier spinner. Myopic selection.

  • on July 28, 2013, 9:26 GMT

    After his last performance with the ball, surely Joe Root is a fine choice for second spinner if needed?

  • JG2704 on July 28, 2013, 9:05 GMT

    Feel sorry for Onions , but if there's no way he's going to play then I guess it's best for both parties if he can get some cricket for Durham. I've not noticed Monty has done that much of note this season and albeit in a lower division I notice Kerrigan has nearly double the wickets of Monty and at half the average. Also has Tremlett done enough to justify inclusion over Finn and others for this game? I know there are ardent CT fans and I'm certainly in no way against him coming back into the squad/side but only after his CC form has shown him hard to ignore and to me his stats certainly don't jump out at you. Obviously they've had him with the squad and see him in the nets etc but to me it seems a bold move replacing Finn with a guy who has only played a handful of games , has one 5 for and has an ave of near 40

  • lemonstealer on July 28, 2013, 9:04 GMT

    its wonderful to see changes being made to a side thats all over australia like a bad rash,convention would dictate "why change a winning combo",its a sign that the poms arnt content,i see a 5-0 drubbing now

  • SamWintson92 on July 28, 2013, 8:30 GMT

    Very good squad. Eng has an established lineup. Excited to see tall Tremlett back & hope Pietersen recovers timely to play in 3rd test in Old Trafford.

  • YorkshirePudding on July 28, 2013, 8:23 GMT

    I cant see england using 2 spinners at OT as it would mean dropping a batsman to accommodate him, maybe its a double bluff. Its going to be a straight up choice between Bresnan and Tremlett for the 3rd seamer slot, especially if the weather is going to be as predicted with rain forecast at points during the day.

  • YorkshirePudding on July 28, 2013, 8:23 GMT

    I cant see england using 2 spinners at OT as it would mean dropping a batsman to accommodate him, maybe its a double bluff. Its going to be a straight up choice between Bresnan and Tremlett for the 3rd seamer slot, especially if the weather is going to be as predicted with rain forecast at points during the day.

  • SamWintson92 on July 28, 2013, 8:30 GMT

    Very good squad. Eng has an established lineup. Excited to see tall Tremlett back & hope Pietersen recovers timely to play in 3rd test in Old Trafford.

  • lemonstealer on July 28, 2013, 9:04 GMT

    its wonderful to see changes being made to a side thats all over australia like a bad rash,convention would dictate "why change a winning combo",its a sign that the poms arnt content,i see a 5-0 drubbing now

  • JG2704 on July 28, 2013, 9:05 GMT

    Feel sorry for Onions , but if there's no way he's going to play then I guess it's best for both parties if he can get some cricket for Durham. I've not noticed Monty has done that much of note this season and albeit in a lower division I notice Kerrigan has nearly double the wickets of Monty and at half the average. Also has Tremlett done enough to justify inclusion over Finn and others for this game? I know there are ardent CT fans and I'm certainly in no way against him coming back into the squad/side but only after his CC form has shown him hard to ignore and to me his stats certainly don't jump out at you. Obviously they've had him with the squad and see him in the nets etc but to me it seems a bold move replacing Finn with a guy who has only played a handful of games , has one 5 for and has an ave of near 40

  • on July 28, 2013, 9:26 GMT

    After his last performance with the ball, surely Joe Root is a fine choice for second spinner if needed?

  • on July 28, 2013, 9:30 GMT

    Again England fail to call up the in-form second-best spinner and to boot it's on his home ground where he recently took 12 out of 15 Glamorgan wickets to fall on a batsman's paradise. Monty is good, he deserves some loyalty but that can as on this occasion be taken too far. Monty is not the future, Kerrigan is and eventually he will replace Swann as England's premier spinner. Myopic selection.

  • Mitty2 on July 28, 2013, 10:05 GMT

    Despite Tremlett's brilliant tour down under... From all reports that I've read he was bowling at much slower pace at around 82-83mp/h (correct me if I'm wrong, I was only following the County when Cowan and Rogers were playing) and apart from a 5 wicket haul against Derbyshire his county performances have been pretty mediocre... From the outside it seems like a rash decision. Onions is a better option IMO

    This is a HUGE setback for Finn - who still has the potential to be an absolute gun - he's now been dropped from two different ashes series. But the way he bowled at TB was so incredibly mindless. His first spell was good, but the rest was absolute cannon fodder. Him v Agar/Hughes was... Pressure relieving to be kind.

    Bresnan bowled well at Lord's and he will play at OT, but if our batsmen actually had any temperament he wouldn't be a problem. Interesting to see how Anderson bowls, he looked a bit out of puff at Lord's. Based on Panesar's county/NZ form, Swann can;t get injured.

  • Nutcutlet on July 28, 2013, 10:12 GMT

    This selection for the OT Test takes a lot of the guesswork out of the composition of the touring side to Oz later this year; the selectors have revealed their hand. In all likelihood & barring injury, all 14 named here are going. I'd have thought that if Finn (or more specifically, Finn's action & accuracy) comes together then he will also go, but where he'll be in the pecking order is a matter for conjecture. If it isn't to be Finn, then it must be Onions, again! At least he's got the right name as onions repeat on you, I believe. I can't see an England side with both Finn & Tremlett for obvious reasons. What else remains to be decided? A reserve w/k? A 3rd spinner? With Root being developing into a batting all-rounder in the Kane Williamson mould, there appears no persuasive argument for anyone else. That's tough on Simon Kerrigan. The rabbit from the hat must be Prior's understudy. Now, there's the real talking point. The field is wide open. Time for the Myers-Briggs Test !

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on July 28, 2013, 10:15 GMT

    James Taylor is yet another English batting talent who has both the technique and the temperament to bat at 4. Interesting, those are traits that not a single one of the Aussie top six hold themselves. That's probably one of the reasons why they are two nil down after two tests. Just the name Tremlett no doubt brings back reoccurring Aussie nightmares from the last Ashes, so it's good to see him fit again.

  • Cmar on July 28, 2013, 10:29 GMT

    Why is it England pick players on past form instead of present. Tremlett did very well 2 years back down under but very average in County cricket. Players should be picked on form. Brennan is another a couple of average Yorks performances and in. KP the guy wouldn't even turn out. Currently we are playing a poor Aussie side. We were number 1 before SA games last summer. I can see England Be in the same position as Aus in a couple of years when instead of keeping team fresh with inform players the older guys will all go out of the team the same time.