West Indies v Australia, 2nd Test, Port-of-Spain, 5th day April 19, 2012

Edwards' sore back puts Rampaul in frame

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Ravi Rampaul may be in line for a recall to the West Indies team for the third Test in Dominica. The hosts' captain Darren Sammy revealed that Fidel Edwards was complaining of back soreness after rain curtailed a tantalisingly poised second match in Trinidad, making Rampaul's inclusion a distinct possibility.

Having missed selection for the limited overs-portion of the tour due to dengue fever and a shoulder problem, Rampaul returned to the squad ahead of the first Test in Barbados but was lacking in conditioning and match rhythm. However he has trained consistently with the hosts over the two weeks and is now ideally placed to reinforce the XI that acquitted themselves well at Queen's Park Oval on a slow, turning pitch.

"So far we've been using the same combination and it's worked for us," Sammy said. "Fidel has a slight pain in his back so we'll monitor that. If not then Ravi comes in and I know Ravi will do the job for us."

Sammy noted that West Indies' bowling had steadily improved in its discipline and perseverance over the past 18 months, Kemar Roach providing the best evidence of this development by taking 10 wickets for the match in Port-of-Spain, a sterling achievement on any surface but particularly meritorious on a pitch that saw spinners take the new ball in three innings out of four.

"It's not only this series, it's been the last year and a half, there's been a massive improvement in the bowling department," Sammy said. "We can get 20 wickets in Test matches and we bowl out teams ... that was something we were not doing in the past. So definitely the bowling has improved, especially under coach [Ottis] Gibson and it will continue.

"To have a guy like Ravi Rampaul, who took so many wickets for last year on the bench shows we have depth. Kemar has been very good against the Australians and Fidel has been bowling well, without any luck, and I know Ravi is eager for his opportunity."

Assad Fudadin, the Guyanese left-hander, has been called up to the squad for the Dominica Test, while the legspinner Devendra Bishoo has been dropped. The vice-captain Kirk Edwards has not recovered in time from a knee problem to be considered for the final match of the series, his fitness for the England tour that follows a significant factor in the decision. Clyde Butts, the West Indies chairman of selectors, said Fudadin offered solid batting and a medium pace option.

"Fudadin has been a member of the West Indies A Team for a while now and we have seen signs of development and improvement," Butts said. "This year he batted well in the Regional Four-Day Tournament, and made over 500 runs including two centuries. He was very consistent in the middle-order. He can also bowl medium-pace and that is an asset."

As for Bishoo, Sammy said he had told the young spinner not to be too despondent, for he remained part of longer term plans. However Sammy indicated that Bishoo needed to go away and relocate his best touch, having struggled for impact in the first Test against Australia.

"We just had a team talk and what I said to Bishoo was he's been a warrior to us, especially last year, but sometimes you lose form," Sammy said. "I told him I know deep down he will come back stronger because that's the sort of player he is."

Daniel Brettig is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo. He tweets here

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  • POSTED BY on | April 22, 2012, 18:49 GMT

    @Gravymon,to agree with what you said,we have a good nucleus of young and talented players around,just like you said earlier of getting the right selections and combinations.It would not be as complicated with so many of these guys playing in the IPL,etc at critical times which clash with international fixtures.With the tour of England imminent,will be intresting to see the squad selected to go there considering a couple of players will be going to the second half of the IPL including Darren Bravo,etc.

  • POSTED BY BigGeorgeMehemood on | April 22, 2012, 15:13 GMT

    Ramphal and Assad must play tomorrow or the entire WI board should be dump in the atlantic ocean where all dem shark feed pan! Second, Shillingford is no better than Bishoo in any way! Him is no Lance Gibbs! How many wicket him take in the second test???

  • POSTED BY GravyMon on | April 22, 2012, 9:06 GMT

    @ Dwight Bowen ... Forgot Andre Russell as an allrounder ... makes the pool 21

  • POSTED BY GravyMon on | April 22, 2012, 8:23 GMT

    @ Dwight Bowen … The current Series is practically done, so let's fix the gaffes of the not too distant past, and look toward the future. We need better leadership at the top, so we have to find a new captain, Ramdin or Dwayne Bravo. Now the players, we need a mixture of youth and experience … Here's my pool of 20 … Fast bowlers: Edwards, Roach, Rampaul; Openers: Gayle, Barath, Brathwaite; Middle Order: Chanderpaul, Darren Bravo, K. Edwards, Sarwan; Allrounders: Pollard, Dwayne Bravo, Deonarine; W/Keepers: Ramdin, Baugh, Dowrich; Spinners: Narine, Shillingford, Bend, Bishoo. There is not much better in the Caribbean.

  • POSTED BY GravyMon on | April 22, 2012, 2:57 GMT

    Let's face it, Australia already knows that we are in a more confused state than Butts, Gibson and Sammy constantly try not to portray. They are supremely confident that there is little cause for concern despite any injury or setback they may suffer. They know that we don't have the type of leadership capable of taking advantage of any error they may commit on field or of any plight that may befall them. Cocky, yes they are, and who can blame them. We are inconsistent in our approach to executing our own plans, if we really have any. Was the first Test all that different to the second Test? Were we actually trying to win the second Test in Trinidad, but not the first one in Barbados? Looks to me like we are playing that stupid game of Mimic - if it works for Michael Clarke and Australia, then maybe it could work for us. We need capable leadership at the top, and the team to go with it. For 2 years now, many selections have been experimental. Hopefully, we'll have the right team soon.

  • POSTED BY gottalovetheraindance on | April 22, 2012, 1:09 GMT

    Samuels and Bravo have better batting averages than Powell Brathwaite & Bharat as well which dont say much

  • POSTED BY gottalovetheraindance on | April 22, 2012, 1:02 GMT

    @ VivGilchrist both have low batting averages & high bowling averages but both have higher batting averages than Sammy & are better in the field than Sammy who almost costs more runs from dropped catches than he saves by bowling

  • POSTED BY VivGilchrist on | April 21, 2012, 23:36 GMT

    Please WI fans, stop enough with the Bravo, Samuels argument. Both have low batting averages for batsmen, and high bowling averages for bowling. The only way either one could play would be at no7 with a Gilchrist or Sangakarra batting in the top6. At the moment either Baugh or Ramdin are nowhere near good enough batsmen to make that possible.

  • POSTED BY on | April 21, 2012, 21:47 GMT

    Gravymon,most of what you said is correct,but given the present circumstances,what do you consider to be the right team?

  • POSTED BY GravyMon on | April 21, 2012, 20:59 GMT

    Let's face it, Australia already knows that we are in a more confused state than Butts, Gibson and Sammy constantly try not to portray. They are supremely confident that there is little cause for concern despite any injury or setback they may suffer. They know that we don't have the type of leadership capable of taking advantage of any error they may commit on field or of any plight that may befall them. Cocky, yes they are, and who can blame them. We are inconsistent in our approach to executing our own plans, if we really have any. Was the first Test all that different to the second Test? Were we actually trying to win the second Test in Trinidad, but not the first one in Barbados? Looks to me like we are playing that stupid game of Mimic - if it works for Michael Clarke and Australia, then maybe it could work for us. We need capable leadership at the top, and the team to go with it. For 2 years now, many selections have been experimental. Hopefully, we'll have the right team soon.

  • POSTED BY on | April 22, 2012, 18:49 GMT

    @Gravymon,to agree with what you said,we have a good nucleus of young and talented players around,just like you said earlier of getting the right selections and combinations.It would not be as complicated with so many of these guys playing in the IPL,etc at critical times which clash with international fixtures.With the tour of England imminent,will be intresting to see the squad selected to go there considering a couple of players will be going to the second half of the IPL including Darren Bravo,etc.

  • POSTED BY BigGeorgeMehemood on | April 22, 2012, 15:13 GMT

    Ramphal and Assad must play tomorrow or the entire WI board should be dump in the atlantic ocean where all dem shark feed pan! Second, Shillingford is no better than Bishoo in any way! Him is no Lance Gibbs! How many wicket him take in the second test???

  • POSTED BY GravyMon on | April 22, 2012, 9:06 GMT

    @ Dwight Bowen ... Forgot Andre Russell as an allrounder ... makes the pool 21

  • POSTED BY GravyMon on | April 22, 2012, 8:23 GMT

    @ Dwight Bowen … The current Series is practically done, so let's fix the gaffes of the not too distant past, and look toward the future. We need better leadership at the top, so we have to find a new captain, Ramdin or Dwayne Bravo. Now the players, we need a mixture of youth and experience … Here's my pool of 20 … Fast bowlers: Edwards, Roach, Rampaul; Openers: Gayle, Barath, Brathwaite; Middle Order: Chanderpaul, Darren Bravo, K. Edwards, Sarwan; Allrounders: Pollard, Dwayne Bravo, Deonarine; W/Keepers: Ramdin, Baugh, Dowrich; Spinners: Narine, Shillingford, Bend, Bishoo. There is not much better in the Caribbean.

  • POSTED BY GravyMon on | April 22, 2012, 2:57 GMT

    Let's face it, Australia already knows that we are in a more confused state than Butts, Gibson and Sammy constantly try not to portray. They are supremely confident that there is little cause for concern despite any injury or setback they may suffer. They know that we don't have the type of leadership capable of taking advantage of any error they may commit on field or of any plight that may befall them. Cocky, yes they are, and who can blame them. We are inconsistent in our approach to executing our own plans, if we really have any. Was the first Test all that different to the second Test? Were we actually trying to win the second Test in Trinidad, but not the first one in Barbados? Looks to me like we are playing that stupid game of Mimic - if it works for Michael Clarke and Australia, then maybe it could work for us. We need capable leadership at the top, and the team to go with it. For 2 years now, many selections have been experimental. Hopefully, we'll have the right team soon.

  • POSTED BY gottalovetheraindance on | April 22, 2012, 1:09 GMT

    Samuels and Bravo have better batting averages than Powell Brathwaite & Bharat as well which dont say much

  • POSTED BY gottalovetheraindance on | April 22, 2012, 1:02 GMT

    @ VivGilchrist both have low batting averages & high bowling averages but both have higher batting averages than Sammy & are better in the field than Sammy who almost costs more runs from dropped catches than he saves by bowling

  • POSTED BY VivGilchrist on | April 21, 2012, 23:36 GMT

    Please WI fans, stop enough with the Bravo, Samuels argument. Both have low batting averages for batsmen, and high bowling averages for bowling. The only way either one could play would be at no7 with a Gilchrist or Sangakarra batting in the top6. At the moment either Baugh or Ramdin are nowhere near good enough batsmen to make that possible.

  • POSTED BY on | April 21, 2012, 21:47 GMT

    Gravymon,most of what you said is correct,but given the present circumstances,what do you consider to be the right team?

  • POSTED BY GravyMon on | April 21, 2012, 20:59 GMT

    Let's face it, Australia already knows that we are in a more confused state than Butts, Gibson and Sammy constantly try not to portray. They are supremely confident that there is little cause for concern despite any injury or setback they may suffer. They know that we don't have the type of leadership capable of taking advantage of any error they may commit on field or of any plight that may befall them. Cocky, yes they are, and who can blame them. We are inconsistent in our approach to executing our own plans, if we really have any. Was the first Test all that different to the second Test? Were we actually trying to win the second Test in Trinidad, but not the first one in Barbados? Looks to me like we are playing that stupid game of Mimic - if it works for Michael Clarke and Australia, then maybe it could work for us. We need capable leadership at the top, and the team to go with it. For 2 years now, many selections have been experimental. Hopefully, we'll have the right team soon.

  • POSTED BY on | April 21, 2012, 20:14 GMT

    It is our batsmen that are not holding up their end of the bargain,our bowlers in whatever combination has been bowling teams out.It is sad again,that the so called better batsmen has gone off to the IPL and not being available to be considered for selection;Dw Bravo,M Samuels,Pollard maybe,C Gayne and all this drama with him and board not available,then there is Sarwan and B Nash who were not offered contracts ,therefore when they were offered county contracts,why should they refuse?.So i hope that partly answers the queries about why some of the other batsmen are not considered,a couple others in first class competition may have been,but returns this year has generally been poor to inspire confidence,now also Dwayne Smith seems to be considered a T-20 and one day international specialist.

  • POSTED BY on | April 21, 2012, 16:35 GMT

    With Fidel & Sammy both carrying back injuries & Rampaul just recovering from injury himself it would also make sense to bring back Tino Best or Jerome Taylor if fit as either of them could breakdown & not be able to play. Spin is unlikely to be a major factor so early in the English 'summer' but to be safe both Bishoo & Shilly should go on the tour as well.

  • POSTED BY on | April 21, 2012, 16:12 GMT

    We can bring Sammy to England as the bowling conditions should suit him. However a few things would have to be changed. Many aggressive batsmen play as openers e.g. Warner, Sehwag, McCallum, Iqbal Dilshan just to name a few. It would not be the worst strategy to put Sammy in as an opener as he can hardly do any worse than the openers there now & @ least maybe we will score a few runs early. However the most important thing would be to KEEP DARREN SAMMY AWAY FROM THE SLIP CORDON AT ALL COST!! He can hardly catch a cold if its not off his own bowling! None of our current top 4 batsmen have played a test in England so it would be a recipe for disaster to not include at least 1 more senior batsman in the side as this novice top order will struggle against Anderson & co in cold & swinging English conditions. Sarwan has experience & scored a century in county cricket recently. If Gibson has any cricketing know how at all he will try to accommodate him in the team.

  • POSTED BY simonviller on | April 21, 2012, 15:54 GMT

    You can talk about Sammy until the cows come home ,but he is not our problem .Until Roach started to find his mark ,who gave us our breakthroughs in most of our matches ? Lets face it people ,we lack more first class batsmen in the team ,or guys who can put runs on the scoreboard in whatever form they can ; the batting shouldn't reach Sammy very often ,if we had performances at the top . If Sammy were to be dropped from the team,we would still suffer the same fate of losing ,with some of the present individual performances . The other thing with Edwards, is that a third or fourth pacer would dis bitribute the workload , so ,at the risk of repeating myself [ more quality batsmen].

  • POSTED BY on | April 21, 2012, 15:44 GMT

    Fidel is a bit of a disappointment as he tends to bowl too short at times & has issues maintaining the correct line and length needed to trouble batsmen consistently. However a big part of Fidel's high bowling average is the fact that like most pace bowler he depends a lot on the slip cordon to take the edges that he gets from batmen & quite often fielders like Sammy fail to deliver on their end of the bargain. Not only does that allow the batsmen to score more runs than they should have but it frustrates the bowler & makes it more difficult for him to focus on the line & length he needs to bowl to get the batsman out. A prime example of this occurred last season vs Pakistan @ Warner Park when Roach had catches dropped of his bowling by Bravo & Sammy as well as he took a wicket but it was a no ball. He then proceeded to leak runs 30 odd runs off his first 4 over spell for no wickets when he should have had at least 2.

  • POSTED BY simonviller on | April 21, 2012, 15:23 GMT

    Yes ! WI needs some good fast bowlers ; and we have lots of good ones in the pipeline now . The problem is we can't inc lude any more right now,with the present team structure so lacking in batsmen of quality . Six batsmen and five bowlers would be nice ,if we had names like - D Haynes/greenidge/richards/ Dujuan [ a real batsman keeper]..etc ,but since that's not the case ,we have to make " lemonade with our lemons ".

  • POSTED BY essky on | April 21, 2012, 14:42 GMT

    @MikeRowan Point about the pitches understood, but the mark of a good bowler is not the ability to bowl on a pitch that helps him, but to bowl well on any pitch that he bowls on. It doesn't guarantee a 5wicket haul every innings but it keeps players on their toes. When bowling to the pitch, line and length control is important.I like Fidel, but when he is not on form he should only bowl on pitches that help him. The problem with WI is that we believe our bowling attack must have four consistent players who cement their place, but we don't have that quality at the moment, as it stands we should be picking our bowling attack depending on the pitch. Roach should be first pick, then Ravi or Edwards depending on the pitch etc... If Sammy is injured and can't bowl his fair share, he should not play, because the other quicks will have to bowl too, and could pick up injuries. But this is only because the team picks 3 specialist bowlers only, the allrounder has to step up and play his role

  • POSTED BY rotma11 on | April 21, 2012, 11:41 GMT

    Its a shame that Bihoo has been dropped, but he is woefully out of form and bowling to short. Blame the WI selectors for that as we rested Bishoo when he really needed to bowl more. He's a young cricketer, he NEEDS to bowl more to learn his craft. It is unfortunate that we are having a discussion on replacing two quality fast bowlers when we continue to have Sammy playing as a bowler. For those who argue that his stats merit his inclusion just check his recent bowling over the last few months. In the India ODIs, out of a possible 50 overs he bowled 20 dropping 5 catches and making about 38 run with 30+ in one inning. Since the test series against Aus. began Edwards, Roach, Shillingford, Bishoo and Deonarine have bowled more overs than Sammy the self confessed "stock bowler" in every innings. Its no wonder Edwards has a sore back. There is no reason why we shouldn't have Edwards, Rampaul, Roach and Bishoo/Narine/Shillingford spearheading our revival in world cricket

  • POSTED BY Gizza on | April 21, 2012, 11:15 GMT

    It is amazing somebody as fast as Edwards has a career average of 38. He always looks good when he bowls but hsi form has always been patchy and never consistent enough at the top level. From what I've seen, Rampaul doesn't look as impressive but he bowls with his heart and gets the job done more often than Edwards. He seems to be a suitable bowler for a team captained by Sammy who likewise uses determination rather than talent to contribute to the team cause.

  • POSTED BY on | April 21, 2012, 10:24 GMT

    Fidel Pace always keep the opposition on their toes.

  • POSTED BY riverlime on | April 21, 2012, 7:12 GMT

    Edwards has 157 wickets at 38, Rampaul (having only played 12 matches) has 35 wickets at 34 apiece, with an economy rate under 3 an over.Therefore, I think it is definitely a good idea for Rampaul to replace Edwards, at least until he finds his mojo again. And though i'm sorry Bishoo was dropped, he was not as controlled as he is known to be (albeit in one Test), and also needs some time to reflect on technique. Barath and Brathwaite also need some time in the nets, given their brainless/boring batting performances so far. Baugh has definitely not done himself any favours either. He has dropped several catches and allowed so many extras, that his nickname is now" bye-bye Baugh". His catching is not surprising since in his 20 matches he has held 41 catches, whereas Ramdin( his immediate competitor) has played 42 matches for 119 catches. I don't see Baugh getting a ticket to England.

  • POSTED BY RandyOZ on | April 21, 2012, 6:22 GMT

    How unfair that Bishoo misses out again. Shillingford really didn't look much better. I hope Starc comes in and pitches it up.

  • POSTED BY Swingit on | April 21, 2012, 0:26 GMT

    @jmcilhinney fast bowlers giving it their all on DEAD pitches that's what. Remember Sammy is also nursing a sore back which is his reason for the limited amount of bowling he is doing. If Windsoe Park in Dominica is no better then cross ur fingers and pray Roach and Hilfenhaus dont go down with back problems as well. Release Roach Edwards and Rampaul iin new Zealand and RSA and then we will see pace like fire with no injuries. better yet return windies pitches to how Kensington Oval and Sabina Park were in 70s and 80s. England will offer more seam than pace or bounce so Sammy and Rampaul will do better there than Roach or Edwards.

  • POSTED BY on | April 20, 2012, 22:09 GMT

    SO LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT BISHOO IS OFF THE TEAM AFTER ONE TEST AND THE AUSSIES KEEP LYONS AFTER THE SUFFERING THE SAME FAITH BISHOO.. YOU CALL BISHOO UP FOR THE ODI SERIES And sat the entire series on the side line..i don't think we will be seeing bishoo anytime soon.

  • POSTED BY on | April 20, 2012, 20:12 GMT

    West Indies need to still keep in touch with bishoo because the guy has a bright future ahead of him.I am loving the fact that west indies have a few spinners to choose from,even nikita miller and benn struggling for a recall. I am really loving the variety in existence. The next thing,Daren Sammy to me is a useful cricket,however, I cant see sammy surviving in test cricket;I watch him in the recently concluded test matches and others and he is just throwing the bat at the ball ever so often, its as if you are waiting for his inevitable dismissal, and yes he takes occasional wickets in test but to me his bowling is not penetrative. I know he is the captain,my question to the people in the cricketing word especially west indies.What is Sammy picked as,an allrounder,a batsman,a bowler or just mere captaincy?.

    Last Thing on my mind.Roach is bowling really good,continues to trouble ponting, roughed up watson in the second innings of the second test. indies need some more good fast bowlers

  • POSTED BY johnathonjosephs on | April 20, 2012, 19:14 GMT

    Blessing in disguise.... Rampaul is in extreme form

  • POSTED BY landl47 on | April 20, 2012, 18:03 GMT

    Since Edwards only has 3 wickets at over 60 runs apiece in two fairly low-scoring games, having Rampaul come in wouldn't be the worse thing in the world. Bishoo was all over the place in the first test and at test level that just doesn't cut it; it's not about how many great balls you bowl but how many bad balls you bowl in between. WI should be encouraged by the first two tests since they've come close to holding their own against Australia, which hasn't happened for a while.

  • POSTED BY rayinto on | April 20, 2012, 18:00 GMT

    So this is what happens when you fail in one test. Bishoo is now on the same team as Ramdin, Gayle, Sarwan, Benn etc. The Discarded team is getting stronger and stronger on paper.

  • POSTED BY on | April 20, 2012, 18:00 GMT

    I would be glad to see Rampaul back in, although I do also very much like Edwards. But I am very disappointed that they have dropped Bishoo! This seems extremely shortsighted. He got ONE game against the Australians and that's it, maybe for the whole season? He is such a promising young bowler. I'm sure he'll make his way back, but it seems most unfair to drop him after one mediocre game (in which he didn't do terribly). Does anyone really think Shillingford is a better choice in the long term?

  • POSTED BY krishay on | April 20, 2012, 17:46 GMT

    Bishoo has been dropped due to his failure in the first test match! Baugh failed miserably in the two games (especially the costly wicket- keeping and batting mistakes in the second) so then in keeping with the WI selectors should not he be dropped and Ramdin or Dowrich given a chance!??!

  • POSTED BY Dav1daKing on | April 20, 2012, 17:25 GMT

    but the future of W.I is so bright, so much talent to choose from, just need to choose our best 11, and i don't see our best 11 without sammy atm, honestly.. regardless.

  • POSTED BY Dav1daKing on | April 20, 2012, 17:20 GMT

    the west indies selectors have the most difficult job in the world. even with so many players unavailable or not in contention they are still finding it difficult to strike the correct balance. but what they have shown is that they are certainly gonna use 6 specialist bats, 2specialist fast bowlers, 1 spinner, an all rounder and a wicket keeper. I would love to see us using 3 specialist fast bowlers and a specialist spinner but i cant find who should be dropped to bring in the extra quicky.. .and since that wont be happening, we just have to do with Rampaul & Roach(Our best 2 pacers right now), Sammy, Shillingford and the part-time of Deonarine. which is a decent bowling attack.

  • POSTED BY Peterincanada on | April 20, 2012, 17:13 GMT

    Sammy does not deserve the stuff he gets from so-called WI supporters. The team has improved under his watch, especially the bowling. For those who say he is not worth his place, his bowling figures are as good or better than anyone else. His batting is not as good as it might be but it is the top six(Shiv excepted) that is letting the side down not the tail-enders. Sammy's batting record is good for a tail-ender but not for an all-rounder. I for one wish him nothing but the best.

  • POSTED BY essky on | April 20, 2012, 16:51 GMT

    Did someone just berate Sammy for doing the right thing? Ridiculous!

  • POSTED BY essky on | April 20, 2012, 16:40 GMT

    Now we get to see how well Shillingford will do on a non spinning track, it never made sense to judge a spinner on a spinning track, and it still doesn't. Lyon was just as bad as Bishoo in the First Test, but he wasn't replaced on a spinning track, Australia chose Beer, who has an average of 59 in Tests, to complement him as it was a spinning track as it helps the spinners, perhaps just what Bishoo needed to bring back his confidence. For all their explanation, we still haven't hear a good reason for dropping Bishoo on a spinning track, maybe WI chose one spinner to keep Baugh in the side as keeping to 2 spinners and a part timer would prove too much for him. And for those who say the bowlers are hurting their backs trying to bowl fast on a slow track, are actually helping Rampaul's case, as he is not only about pace but is a thinking bowler, adapting to the pitch, and perhaps the faster bowlers should do that, instead of trying to bowl the same bad ball faster next time.

  • POSTED BY rahulcricket007 on | April 20, 2012, 15:59 GMT

    GOOD TO SEE RAMPAUL GETTING A CHANCE IN PLAYING 11 . HE IS A GOOD SWING BOWLER .

  • POSTED BY dwblurb on | April 20, 2012, 15:41 GMT

    A blessing in disguise for teh West Indies, if it happens. Rampaul is a better and more successful Test bowler than Edwards, despite the latter's heart.

  • POSTED BY wifan16 on | April 20, 2012, 15:39 GMT

    Everyone seems to forget the decision sammy made in the first innings of the 2nd test, when the umpire give warner out but sammy said NO WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING IF WAS A LBW OR CAUGHT BEHIND DECISION!!!..THE UMPIRE IS BEING PAID AND THE HAVE SYSTEMS IN PLACE TO REVIEW, THEREFORE SAMMY HAVE NO RIGHT TO GET INVOLVE AND HE CAUSE WI AN EARLY WICKET!!

  • POSTED BY zhane on | April 20, 2012, 14:29 GMT

    Very sad for Bishoo, WI has just ended his career, I taught if you want a bowler to develop you can't put him on the bench and expect him to learn. A good example is Aussie, they kept Lyon even though they have a second spinner and played both of them resting Harris and Siddle after winning a match and Lyon responded with a 5 wicket bag

  • POSTED BY TAJY on | April 20, 2012, 14:24 GMT

    Edwards is ALWAYS suffering from back problems. It's no surprise with his winding bowling action. This guy's body simply cannot hold up to the stress brought on by his action. He's a good bowler, and he is fast, but his health will always be a problem simply because of his action.

  • POSTED BY on | April 20, 2012, 14:19 GMT

    what happened to sarwan and jerome taylor

  • POSTED BY on | April 20, 2012, 14:18 GMT

    I want the windies to be back on top . gayle sarwan bravo and pollard should be back in the team. so my team will be 1. Gayle 2. Edwards 3. Sarwan 4. Bravo 5.Pollard 6. Shiv 7. Bravo 8. Baugh or some new face 9. Rampaul 10. Roach 11. Fidel Edwards

  • POSTED BY on | April 20, 2012, 13:57 GMT

    LIKE I SAID THE WI NOT GOING ANY WHERE, SAMMY IS A PERFECT 12 MAN CRICKET IS NOT ABOUT HEART IT IS ABOUT SKILLS,SAMMY HAS NONE ,YOU NEED 11 PLAYERS ,WI ONLY HAS ONE BATSMAN IN THE TEAM THAT IS SHIV THE OTHERS ARE JOKERS , NO APPLICATION AT ALL LIKE I SAID BEFORE OUR PROBLEM IS THE BOARD ,THE SELECTORS ,AND THE COACH, WHEN WILL THE WI EMPLOY A COACH

  • POSTED BY Metman on | April 20, 2012, 13:46 GMT

    @ SamRoy ! Rampaul has improved his test figures during May and Dec.last year. Rampaul has performed for only 8 months of his 4 year career...someone said he av.72 for every wicket he has taken against the Aussies......and..before May he had 5 wickets @over 105runs...and ...has never taken 5 wickets in an innings.Edwards,on the other hand has 11 five wicket hauls and has by FAR been the more consistent overall.

  • POSTED BY TeamSelector on | April 20, 2012, 13:23 GMT

    A lot of people feel that Sammy is upsetting the balance of the team by playing as the 4th bowler @ #8 ... & Braithwaite seems to be the only one in the top three capable of being there ... how about this for thinking outside of the box ... *** Play Sammy as an opener *** & bring in a genuine fourth bowler. 1-Sammy, 2-Brathwaite, 3-Bravo, 4-Fudadin, 5-Shiv, 6-Deonarine, 7-Baugh, 8-Rampaul, 9-Shillingford, 10-Roach, 11-Fidel/Bishoo.

  • POSTED BY JimEBryan on | April 20, 2012, 12:52 GMT

    Sammy may not be the right fit for the team, but the guy has played his heart out. Come on, he deserve cedit for his efforts and his leadership. I look foward to the day Pollard , Russell and to a lesser extent Gayle are available for and selected to the team. Dont discount Barath. He is capable and demonstrated that. Also Braithwaite has shown some promise for a young batsman. Have patience with these young and promising batsmen.

  • POSTED BY on | April 20, 2012, 10:45 GMT

    Our bowling attack is just fine. Bishoo's situation is unfortunate, he has to get that googlie going. WI have the bowling attack to give it a#4 ranking, but who will make the runs? The team has 1 yes 1 serious batter, who has at the most3 more seasons(Shiv). No openers. We r ranked 7 because of our batting. We lose matches because of our batting. SUGGESTION. Now that u have included Fudadin,who is a better batter than both Kraig & Powell, groom him to open. His technique is fairly ok. There r no promising openers around & s/one has to open. Start looking at the middle order batters in the region & groom them to open. S/one might just surprise u.

  • POSTED BY Big_Bat on | April 20, 2012, 9:48 GMT

    I can't help but feeil that it is time for Sammy to go, he interferes with the balance in the side. The fact that he is bringing in someone who can bowl useful medium pace is a sign. I knw that he has done a lot to bring harmony into the side (along with the coach of course) but he cannot command a place in the side, he is the Windies equivalent of Steve Smith.

    On the issue of Bishoo, I'm sad to see him dropped, imagine if he had played in place of Sammy...

  • POSTED BY on | April 20, 2012, 9:40 GMT

    Maybe the back problems for the fast bowlers are a result of these extra slow wickets they have to bowl on ? I notice all three of the aforementioned strive for pace under all conditions. Maybe the ICC can do something to improve the lot of of fast bowlers the world over ? Or as some members of the Indian team has said we need to make them work hard in spin friendly conditions to prove themselves?

  • POSTED BY on | April 20, 2012, 7:04 GMT

    Why so much experimentation on the team line up all the time? What did Bishoo do that was so bad that he got dropped? He gave up a chance, maybe, to go play in the IPL!

  • POSTED BY satish619chandar on | April 20, 2012, 7:02 GMT

    Surely WI will miss Edwards and his wonderful spells around but Ramps is a very handy replacement.. in fact, if not for injury, Ramps could have played as first choice.. Bishoo is just unlucky.. Shillingford utilised his chance and now, Bishoo is out.. Powell will be out making way for Fudadin.. Rest picks themselves easily.. One more fight WI and hope you guys come out with best result possible..

  • POSTED BY gottalovetheraindance on | April 20, 2012, 6:15 GMT

    On the contrary Baugh is not a weak keeper. He is as good if not better than his Australian counterpart behind the stumps. His main issue is that in front of the stumps he has not been producing enough runs 7 he keeps getting out to silly cross batted shots against spin bowling. @ least ramdin had 1 or 2 test centuries to his name.

  • POSTED BY gottalovetheraindance on | April 20, 2012, 6:02 GMT

    If former butter finger Darren Bravo can improve his catching by such a wide margin in less than a year then i cant understand why our beloved captain continues to drop a multitude of catches in the West Indies slip cordon without any mention by the Coach i might add. Regularly dropping regulation slip catches without showing any real intent to tighten up is just as bad or worse than a player neglecting his fitness

  • POSTED BY Randy_Wilson on | April 20, 2012, 5:57 GMT

    @ simonviller Ramdin still injured, plus he didnt even keep for TnT in the 4 day competation. Baugh is very weak keeper, wish to see ramdin back fro England tour.

  • POSTED BY gottalovetheraindance on | April 20, 2012, 5:56 GMT

    there is no doubt that Fidel puts his all into his bowling. He just struggles for consistency in line and length at times. He has bowled a lot worse than he did in this test match & gotten better results. It doesn't help that we have a captain who is always dropping catches when the other bowlers get an edge. He cost Fidel at least 2 wickets in this match plus his dropped catch off Roach in Barbados before Watson started the run chase for Australia. However it was nice to see Sammy thinking outside the box for a change in the 2nd innings chase. With that being said Rampaul should be raring to go as he has a few points to prove vs the Aussies. He averages over 72 runs per wicket against them. I believe that Sammy should do less bowling in Dominica as he too has a back problem & will be needed more for his bowling during the England tour in May. Gibson & co seriously need to look into grooming Andre Russell into the role of allrounder as @ least he knows how to catch.

  • POSTED BY bobagorof on | April 20, 2012, 5:21 GMT

    Pity about Bishoo - he and Nathan Lyon had similar figures in the 1st Test, but Lyon played in the 2nd Test and returned 5/68. Of course, Lyon's figures weren't looking too good until he took a lot of late wickets to curtail the WI innings. Rampaul should play if Edwards doesn't, but where does Fudadin fit in? He'll be jostling for position with Kieran Powell, no doubt, who has been a bit disappointing recently.

  • POSTED BY SamRoy on | April 20, 2012, 4:03 GMT

    Rampaul is currently a much improved bowler than he was even 4 years ago and is a lot better than Fidel. He should have been in the team from the first test itself. May be then WI may have won the first test. Moreover both he and Russell have a lot of potential with the bat as well.

  • POSTED BY VivGilchrist on | April 20, 2012, 3:22 GMT

    So Bishoo sits on the bench the entire ODI series missing out on first class cricket. Plays one Test underdone, gets dropped, and has no cricket to go back to as the 4-day comp is over? Sounds fair. Rampaul coming in for Edwards is a blessing, but I think Smith should have replaced Braithwaite or Powell as a more aggressive option. As for the Aussies I just hope Starc and Harris are ready to go and remain injury free. As a positive for Aus they will be putting out a far stronger bowling lineup in the 3rd Test.

  • POSTED BY jmcilhinney on | April 20, 2012, 2:56 GMT

    What's with this series and back problems? Siddle, Pattinson and now Edwards. That's quite a coincidence but I can't really think of anything that would specifically cause that issue.

  • POSTED BY simonviller on | April 20, 2012, 1:50 GMT

    What do you expect guys ! Bishoo was left out of the shorter forms and never got match practice ,so that's part of the problem ... The other thing is ,do you really want to win ? If so ,why are we persisting with Baugh behind the wicket ? Please tell me that Ramadin is still injured and that he will be back after the injury . No team can afford to cary a non productive keeper in todays game .

  • POSTED BY Randy_Wilson on | April 20, 2012, 1:43 GMT

    Good to hear. It's Sad they didnt play rampal in the 2nd Test. If anyone had watch these matches, you could realise they were not Bowling Edwards, long spell because of his Injures, which he should of been rested for the 2nd Test. and Rampal to play. and people dont come with Sammy istaking a fast bowler Space. West Indies in de Past BEFORE sammy had this choice yet. it's de same Story. But Roach and Rampal will do Damage to Australia with Shillingford and Sammy along with Deonarine.

  • POSTED BY Meety on | April 20, 2012, 1:10 GMT

    A few things, firstly, Oz have in the past fairly easily dealt with Rampaul, however, he has improved a lot & I think he is a very good bowler in home conditions. Secondly, I think it is terrible that Bishoo got dumped. The kid has talent & they should of stuck with IMO. Hopefully Sammy is right & he will get some opportunities to return to the team in the not too distant future. Thirdly - all due respects regarding Fudaddin, but really is he all they got left? (Maybe he will burst on the Test scene?) I know he has form this season, but I have some reservations there.

  • POSTED BY Sinhaya on | April 20, 2012, 1:02 GMT

    Please include Rampaul as he can even bat somewhat!

  • POSTED BY on | April 20, 2012, 0:48 GMT

    Oh how quickly my skipper forgets - 262 for 7 in the first innings in Kensington ended up being 403 for 9! Part of the reason the team lost, remember Darren??? With the batting circumspect at best, there is no hope in salvaging the series, even as the Sir Frank Worrel goes back to Australia...

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  • POSTED BY on | April 20, 2012, 0:48 GMT

    Oh how quickly my skipper forgets - 262 for 7 in the first innings in Kensington ended up being 403 for 9! Part of the reason the team lost, remember Darren??? With the batting circumspect at best, there is no hope in salvaging the series, even as the Sir Frank Worrel goes back to Australia...

  • POSTED BY Sinhaya on | April 20, 2012, 1:02 GMT

    Please include Rampaul as he can even bat somewhat!

  • POSTED BY Meety on | April 20, 2012, 1:10 GMT

    A few things, firstly, Oz have in the past fairly easily dealt with Rampaul, however, he has improved a lot & I think he is a very good bowler in home conditions. Secondly, I think it is terrible that Bishoo got dumped. The kid has talent & they should of stuck with IMO. Hopefully Sammy is right & he will get some opportunities to return to the team in the not too distant future. Thirdly - all due respects regarding Fudaddin, but really is he all they got left? (Maybe he will burst on the Test scene?) I know he has form this season, but I have some reservations there.

  • POSTED BY Randy_Wilson on | April 20, 2012, 1:43 GMT

    Good to hear. It's Sad they didnt play rampal in the 2nd Test. If anyone had watch these matches, you could realise they were not Bowling Edwards, long spell because of his Injures, which he should of been rested for the 2nd Test. and Rampal to play. and people dont come with Sammy istaking a fast bowler Space. West Indies in de Past BEFORE sammy had this choice yet. it's de same Story. But Roach and Rampal will do Damage to Australia with Shillingford and Sammy along with Deonarine.

  • POSTED BY simonviller on | April 20, 2012, 1:50 GMT

    What do you expect guys ! Bishoo was left out of the shorter forms and never got match practice ,so that's part of the problem ... The other thing is ,do you really want to win ? If so ,why are we persisting with Baugh behind the wicket ? Please tell me that Ramadin is still injured and that he will be back after the injury . No team can afford to cary a non productive keeper in todays game .

  • POSTED BY jmcilhinney on | April 20, 2012, 2:56 GMT

    What's with this series and back problems? Siddle, Pattinson and now Edwards. That's quite a coincidence but I can't really think of anything that would specifically cause that issue.

  • POSTED BY VivGilchrist on | April 20, 2012, 3:22 GMT

    So Bishoo sits on the bench the entire ODI series missing out on first class cricket. Plays one Test underdone, gets dropped, and has no cricket to go back to as the 4-day comp is over? Sounds fair. Rampaul coming in for Edwards is a blessing, but I think Smith should have replaced Braithwaite or Powell as a more aggressive option. As for the Aussies I just hope Starc and Harris are ready to go and remain injury free. As a positive for Aus they will be putting out a far stronger bowling lineup in the 3rd Test.

  • POSTED BY SamRoy on | April 20, 2012, 4:03 GMT

    Rampaul is currently a much improved bowler than he was even 4 years ago and is a lot better than Fidel. He should have been in the team from the first test itself. May be then WI may have won the first test. Moreover both he and Russell have a lot of potential with the bat as well.

  • POSTED BY bobagorof on | April 20, 2012, 5:21 GMT

    Pity about Bishoo - he and Nathan Lyon had similar figures in the 1st Test, but Lyon played in the 2nd Test and returned 5/68. Of course, Lyon's figures weren't looking too good until he took a lot of late wickets to curtail the WI innings. Rampaul should play if Edwards doesn't, but where does Fudadin fit in? He'll be jostling for position with Kieran Powell, no doubt, who has been a bit disappointing recently.

  • POSTED BY gottalovetheraindance on | April 20, 2012, 5:56 GMT

    there is no doubt that Fidel puts his all into his bowling. He just struggles for consistency in line and length at times. He has bowled a lot worse than he did in this test match & gotten better results. It doesn't help that we have a captain who is always dropping catches when the other bowlers get an edge. He cost Fidel at least 2 wickets in this match plus his dropped catch off Roach in Barbados before Watson started the run chase for Australia. However it was nice to see Sammy thinking outside the box for a change in the 2nd innings chase. With that being said Rampaul should be raring to go as he has a few points to prove vs the Aussies. He averages over 72 runs per wicket against them. I believe that Sammy should do less bowling in Dominica as he too has a back problem & will be needed more for his bowling during the England tour in May. Gibson & co seriously need to look into grooming Andre Russell into the role of allrounder as @ least he knows how to catch.