England in West Indies 2013-14 February 21, 2014

Broad 'not deeply involved' in KP axe

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Changes needed after 'disaster' - Broad

Stuart Broad has said he did not have a major involvement in the decision to sack Kevin Pietersen despite his role as Twenty20 captain but believes that changes had to be made after a "disaster" of a tour in Australia which meant England "lost a lot of good men."

No single reason has been given for Pietersen's departure with the ECB talking - through press releases - about "team ethics" and the need to back Alastair Cook, who has been rested from the one-day leg of the West Indies tour, as the Test and ODI captain but the topic was not off-limits at England's pre-departure press conference as they flew out to the West Indies.

It has been reported that Broad wanted Pietersen in his side for the World Twenty20 in Bangladesh next month but while he acknowledged the role Pietersen had played he was keen to talk about "moving forward." However, he did offer a hint that the environment behind the scenes had become difficult during the debilitating stay in Australia.

"I was aware of discussions towards the end of the Australia tour but I was not deeply involved particularly,'' Broad said of the decision to end Pietersen's international career. "It was a decision made by guys that have the English cricket team at their heart, and they want the team to improve.

"The guys that made the decision are very keen for England cricket to move forward, there's no egos involved in making decisions like this. It's about improving performances on the field and atmospheres off it. All I can focus on is this trip now."

The last time England were in the Caribbean was for the 2010 World Twenty20 when they secured their only piece of global silverware in a team captained by Paul Collingwood who has been appointed assistant coach for this trip and Bangladesh. Pietersen was Man of the Tournament in that event and Broad remembered the good times he had helped bring to English cricket.

"There's no doubt Kev was a fantastic player for England, part of a hugely successful era," he said. "I have fond memories of KP from 2010 when he was the kingpin in helping us win that World Cup. But it's time for the guys in that changing room to realise they can be match-winners and can step up now."

Broad admitted he did not spend much time with Pietersen in Australia but was also keen to mention others who suffered on the tour. "To be honest, I didn't see a lot of Kev in Australia. We crossed paths going to the middle," he said.

"I'll repeat that KP has been a fantastic player for England - he's scored a lot of match-winning runs but a decision was taken by guys who are desperate for England to improve in the future not just over the next four or five months but going forward in to the next few years.

"It was heartbreaking to go to Australia and lose 5-0 and we've lost a few good men in doing that - [Andy] Flower has stepped down and [Graeme] Swann retired and obviously [Jonathan Trott] Trotty went home and [Steve Finn] Finny. It's a winter that was a disaster, but as an England side we have to look forward now."

The new era begins with three ODIs and three T20s in the Caribbean before England head to Bangladesh. Although the West Indies leg includes one-day matches, the squad is very much geared towards the 20-over campaign. The squad contains three uncapped players in Moeen Ali, Stephen Parry and Harry Gurney although the latter is only part of the one-day team.

"We don't spend a lot of time together as a T20 side, so we've got to make use of these next three weeks," Broad said. "We are going to Bangladesh in three weeks' time with an opportunity to show something different.

"When you've lost so many games over the last six months, it hurts, so we've just got to get back to winning to be honest. Twenty20 is about match-winners and taking the game by the scruff of the neck, so that's the challenge for this young group now."

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  • binoytv on February 26, 2014, 14:26 GMT

    KP would have been still playing if he was in any other Test nation for another 2 years. Actually Cook is a crook to nail KP, then Broad is a Fox to be very cunning with his words.and England selectors hates KP for his frank speaking. anyway IPL has welcomed KP and knows his worth.and KP will show what he is made of. England will fail miserably in Bangladesh and will reap what they sowed.

  • SHK1 on February 25, 2014, 8:42 GMT

    I still believe there is a way back for KP in the English side. Wait till the end of T20 World Cup!

  • Rally_Windies on February 23, 2014, 18:42 GMT

    Any 20/20 captain who is glad KP will not be playing for him....

    is well ... not a very good captain .....

  • markatnotts on February 22, 2014, 15:23 GMT

    Although UP would in all probability have dine well in the T20 team, like in recent Tests he wouldn't have contributed as often as he used to. I just find the perpetual recycling of this whole affair rather odd! Considering most non English fans despised him playing for us, they have had a lot to say about it. In reality played come, players go, England will get stronger again at some point in the next couple of years!

  • JG2704 on February 22, 2014, 12:31 GMT

    @jonesy2isaBigot on (February 22, 2014, 9:57 GMT) While I dont agree with totally getting rid of KP - if the main issue is differences with Cook , maybe he could have played the ODIs in WI and the T20WC where Cook is not involved - I agree that Swann will be a bigger miss.And he's not - as some people infer - head and shoulders above the rest of our batsmen. Cook,Trott and Bell all average similar to KP.

  • markatnotts on February 22, 2014, 9:57 GMT

    @Sir Francis, if you can take off your blinkers England had success against most teams pre 2005, losing one player isn't going to be the end if the world. History shows England most miss Trescothick and Flintoff in recent years, and Swann will be missed more than KP!

  • haq33 on February 22, 2014, 9:50 GMT

    Broad - a far better politician than cricketer.

  • JG2704 on February 22, 2014, 9:16 GMT

    @salazar555 on (February 21, 2014, 12:24 GMT)Surely Ali deserves an opportunity of some sorts. He was overall county player of the 2013 season and done well for the Lions. He could surprise a few. Dont know much re Parry but why not give him a try - it's not like our bowling dept is strong in this format these days?

  • JG2704 on February 22, 2014, 9:12 GMT

    @itsthewayuplay on (February 21, 2014, 16:58 GMT) Not sure he had any involvement and just reckon he's being diplomatic here. He said at the time that he wanted KP in the T20 squad so if anything that would suggest that even if he understands the decison (with the knowledge he probably has and none of us unfortunately have) but didnt necessarily agree with the decision (at least not at the time). Re flair players , I think fans are generally more acceptant of lesser results if the product is good to watch.I think Arsenal fans sometimes bemoan their lack of trophies in recent years but maybe Wenger was a victim of his own success early on. Still Arsenal sell their full allocation of tickets each week/season tickets each year so I reckon the flair must count for something. The problem Wenger has is that once he develops an incoming player into a superstar the bigger clubs come sniffing and inevitably money talks.

  • AltafPatel on February 22, 2014, 7:21 GMT

    Cook should have taken responsibility for complete failure, worst ever tour of Eng in in recent past, as a batsman and captain. He at least could have left captaincy by guarantying come back in form as batsman. Bell or Broad should have been given role of captain in test side, and it's not too late yet.

  • binoytv on February 26, 2014, 14:26 GMT

    KP would have been still playing if he was in any other Test nation for another 2 years. Actually Cook is a crook to nail KP, then Broad is a Fox to be very cunning with his words.and England selectors hates KP for his frank speaking. anyway IPL has welcomed KP and knows his worth.and KP will show what he is made of. England will fail miserably in Bangladesh and will reap what they sowed.

  • SHK1 on February 25, 2014, 8:42 GMT

    I still believe there is a way back for KP in the English side. Wait till the end of T20 World Cup!

  • Rally_Windies on February 23, 2014, 18:42 GMT

    Any 20/20 captain who is glad KP will not be playing for him....

    is well ... not a very good captain .....

  • markatnotts on February 22, 2014, 15:23 GMT

    Although UP would in all probability have dine well in the T20 team, like in recent Tests he wouldn't have contributed as often as he used to. I just find the perpetual recycling of this whole affair rather odd! Considering most non English fans despised him playing for us, they have had a lot to say about it. In reality played come, players go, England will get stronger again at some point in the next couple of years!

  • JG2704 on February 22, 2014, 12:31 GMT

    @jonesy2isaBigot on (February 22, 2014, 9:57 GMT) While I dont agree with totally getting rid of KP - if the main issue is differences with Cook , maybe he could have played the ODIs in WI and the T20WC where Cook is not involved - I agree that Swann will be a bigger miss.And he's not - as some people infer - head and shoulders above the rest of our batsmen. Cook,Trott and Bell all average similar to KP.

  • markatnotts on February 22, 2014, 9:57 GMT

    @Sir Francis, if you can take off your blinkers England had success against most teams pre 2005, losing one player isn't going to be the end if the world. History shows England most miss Trescothick and Flintoff in recent years, and Swann will be missed more than KP!

  • haq33 on February 22, 2014, 9:50 GMT

    Broad - a far better politician than cricketer.

  • JG2704 on February 22, 2014, 9:16 GMT

    @salazar555 on (February 21, 2014, 12:24 GMT)Surely Ali deserves an opportunity of some sorts. He was overall county player of the 2013 season and done well for the Lions. He could surprise a few. Dont know much re Parry but why not give him a try - it's not like our bowling dept is strong in this format these days?

  • JG2704 on February 22, 2014, 9:12 GMT

    @itsthewayuplay on (February 21, 2014, 16:58 GMT) Not sure he had any involvement and just reckon he's being diplomatic here. He said at the time that he wanted KP in the T20 squad so if anything that would suggest that even if he understands the decison (with the knowledge he probably has and none of us unfortunately have) but didnt necessarily agree with the decision (at least not at the time). Re flair players , I think fans are generally more acceptant of lesser results if the product is good to watch.I think Arsenal fans sometimes bemoan their lack of trophies in recent years but maybe Wenger was a victim of his own success early on. Still Arsenal sell their full allocation of tickets each week/season tickets each year so I reckon the flair must count for something. The problem Wenger has is that once he develops an incoming player into a superstar the bigger clubs come sniffing and inevitably money talks.

  • AltafPatel on February 22, 2014, 7:21 GMT

    Cook should have taken responsibility for complete failure, worst ever tour of Eng in in recent past, as a batsman and captain. He at least could have left captaincy by guarantying come back in form as batsman. Bell or Broad should have been given role of captain in test side, and it's not too late yet.

  • AltafPatel on February 22, 2014, 7:17 GMT

    After all they had some one to hide their cowards in Aus. With continuous failure for 2 Ashes, he neither changed his position nor included Compton in place of below average Carberry. When things goes out of hands dramatically, you not have to take steps for recovery but that be in time. They also neither include Finn or Onion as emergency after initial heavy defeats that already alarmed for things going out of hands and worse. They don't deserve top place in test rankings.

  • Sir_Francis on February 22, 2014, 4:50 GMT

    Last time KP did this sort of thing it led to his and the coaches sacking. And then the promotion of Flower, winning the Ashes, being No. 1 etc.

    Why on earth would you let KP do that sort of thing again. They've got rid of a troublemaker that ultimately helped make England good. Now Cook can rest easy and never be challenged and continue with the slide back to mediocrity.

    Can't wait for the next Ashes. It'll be 90s all over again.

  • SevereCritic on February 22, 2014, 0:06 GMT

    England lost some very good cricketers because of the Ashes -- Trott, Swann, KP. All 3 are high impact players in their own ways. In addition to those 3, England also saw Joe Root going from a promising young England cricketer at the start of the series to a clueless nervous wreck at the end. Anderson looked toothless; Cook very mediocre. So, one needs to ask the management what went wrong here -- how did so many world class players get wrecked in the span of one tour? It would be rather stupid to assume that everything was because of KP's backroom antiques and rebellious nature. There are forces way beyond that in the Flower school of management which the normal public is not privy to which ultimately lead to the demise of English cricket.

  • on February 21, 2014, 21:27 GMT

    Can anyone tell us what point, if any, there is in having press conferences at all? They are just crammed with soundbites and trendy catchphrases with the spokesmen saying absolutley nothing of substance whatsoever. They are obviously tightly scripted by the ECB and Team England management, irrespective of the questions asked with players completely unable to think of their own sentences. Would anyone say "Good Lord, why haven't we had a press conference about/to announce this?" if we didn't have one and would we miss it? Would we heck. Broad and his teammates have nothing of worth to say at the best of times, let alone the worst of times... Hope England play to empty grounds this season, it's about what they, particularly those in charge as the players deserve...

  • itsthewayuplay on February 21, 2014, 17:09 GMT

    @jb633 on February 21, 2014, 13:43 GMT re your point about flair being taken out of players. The problem in cricket as with a lot of sports these days, is that to nature flair requires time, something which spectators and administrators don't have or unwilling to give. Players have to be given time to adjust to the game at the highest level and learn from their mistakes. If not, we'll end up with purely results driven types of players. Fine if all fans want are bragging rights but not so fine if like me, you're more interested in the way runs are scored and wickets are taken, not just how many or in footballing terms Alex Ferguson v Arsene Wenger

  • itsthewayuplay on February 21, 2014, 16:58 GMT

    So is he saying that he did have some involvement? How is he defining 'deeply'?

  • BailsRgo on February 21, 2014, 16:50 GMT

    The rubbish continues. It is obvious because Pietersen did not bat in all eleve team places, did not keep wicket and did not bowl the required overs to defeat Australia, never mind captain himself in all eleven team roles that the Ashes defeat was ll down to him. The ECB must think supportes are stupid to carry on this pretence. It's funny that none of the management see fit to think they might have some responsibility for what happened. Andy Flower 'disappears' into thin air with no explanation and no reasons offered. The whole thing is totally ridiculous - very much in keeping with England crickets desire to only want the best for the good of the game . It's otherwise known as hypocrisy and lying and scapegoating.

    The Ashes defeat WAS NOT all Kevin Pietersen's fault!!!!!!

  • LeeHallam on February 21, 2014, 16:16 GMT

    Mindmaker

    While you and I are not privy to what went on in the dressing room, you can be sure that all those in the team do know only to well. You want strong, outspoken players in the team, but you need to able to trust them. They did not trust KP, and when his form drifted down (He avereaged 33 in the last 12 months), they cut their losses. We probably won't win the 20:20 Cup, but then we wouldn't have with KP either.

  • 2.14istherunrate on February 21, 2014, 16:12 GMT

    It's all about reverse psychology. The oppositions do not have to bowl at KP-the best player in the world-so the will be overconfident bowling at the rest. After all there is no-one to scare them,unless mice really scare lions which I doubt. So England will slip under the radar. Or more likely out of the contests they face. It's gonna be ignominy all the way. The England selectors really do have an upside down way of looking at things. Actually they should replace 3 lions with 3 mice-all blind.

  • CodandChips on February 21, 2014, 14:58 GMT

    @jb633 "I think we have to accept we may lose a lot of games before it comes good" i would agree with that completely, if the talented youngsters were the ones losing, rather than repeated failures such as Wright, Bopara, Dernbach and Bresnan

  • jb633 on February 21, 2014, 14:00 GMT

    It is difficult to see where we go from that ashes tour. I think we have to accept we may lose a lot of games before it comes good. The collateral damage of that debacle was severe and it wont be forgotten in a heartbeat. Personally I think we go the way of the younger players and give them a go in all formats. In terms of the T20 squad Ali is a must and he should be given the chance to bat at 3. Luke Wright is not up to it at this level along with Dernbach and Parry (I say this even as a Lancs fan). In the longer term I hope to see Taylor be a figure in the test squad with Bairstow not getting a look in ever again.

  • jb633 on February 21, 2014, 13:43 GMT

    Until something is done about the ECB and the way they run the game at the grass roots level I can't see us sustaining any period of dominance. We had a successful period with the introduction of various kolpak cricketeres and that had some benefit to our game. It was a temporary mask though of the greater problems (lack of attacking young cricketers). The ECB and coaching set up at junior county levels is still very regimented and uninispring. Having done a lot of coaching personally I hate to see how young players have flair coachexd out of them. Below this in our primary/state school education system cricket is barely played and the promising sportsmen in our country may never know they could have been a good cricketer. If you compare this to Aus, although they have a smaller population they have a great participation rate in schools (state and private) and even better it is very competitve. In general they are a far stronger cricketing nation than us and it is no coincidence.

  • on February 21, 2014, 13:17 GMT

    @salazar555: Moeen Ali earned his spot through success in the domestic game. Harsh to question his place when he hasn't had a chance to shine internationally. Agree RE: Dernbach but Bops has done well for England over the last year, and been one of the best bats in ODIs/2020s.

    This is not a rubbish team, you just aren't as familiar with the names. They may well (and probably will) lose, but only one team can win.

    Dernbach is the only name in the side I would strongly contest the merit of.

  • Mindmaker on February 21, 2014, 13:06 GMT

    I honestly do not think England will successfully move forward without dealing with the issues of their Aussie tour conclusively. The scapegoat for that disaster was KP but who will be the next another disastrous tour? Let the world know what the issues were and everyone can move on and concentrate on the real job. Right now, I bet most of the stronger characters in that England dressing room must be peering over their shoulder all the time expecting that tap on their back to tell them they have to go in order for the team to improve "team ethics"

  • milepost on February 21, 2014, 12:54 GMT

    Broad is alright. He's right, the tour could not have been worse, it went just the way Lehmann planned it which is great. As far as wanting KP in the side, who wouldn't, he's England's best player by a mile. Yet, they dumped him. Seems like the nightmare for England will continue with decision making this poor. They will probably keep their under-performing players and dump all the good ones. Oh they did dump him.

  • featurewriter on February 21, 2014, 12:46 GMT

    Broad needs to pull the splinter from his backside. Seriously, step up and claim your involvement in KP's axing. So far Cook seems to be the only player in the England camp with any degree of courage or integrity.

  • YorkerStump on February 21, 2014, 12:35 GMT

    We are destined to lose this T20 World Cup with what's happened in the past three months, but if England come anywhere close to the finals, then woohoo!

    KP will be sorely missed but to all the fans that have lost faith with England's management and the current squad of players, just wait till England reestablish themselves as a cricketing powerhouse. Sure, it's not going to happen anytime soon and you can expect several years to go by before a group of players pull a string of match winning performances. England have suffered heavy, embarrassing defeats across all formats, but all we can look forward to now are slow and steady improvements. Unless, some of the senior players strike some rich and much needed form.

    Fingers crossed that we only get better from here!

  • Iddo555 on February 21, 2014, 12:24 GMT

    I don't know why Bopara, Dernabach, Parry or Ali are there. This is a rubbish team and will probably get beat even though they are playing a rubbish team in the West Indies. England are going backwards and failure seems to be rewarded with continuing selection. How Bopara and Dernbach are still in the one day and 20/20 side is a complete mystery to me. They must have something juicy on the selectors because I can't think of another reason.

  • Jaffa79 on February 21, 2014, 11:50 GMT

    Well done Stu. Very politically done. Shall I interpret? He and KP did not see a lot of each other in Australia? This is because he hates KP. He was not deeply involved? This means he was asked and he said that he wants KP out but it was not his decision. The people that took the decision are looking to the future and to the next 4-5 years not 4-5 months means the management hate KP more than everybody and would never ever tour with him again in a million years. If I were KP, I'd play IPL and release a warts and all book! He'd be rolling in money!

  • on February 21, 2014, 11:45 GMT

    Losing KP will improve the future? Guys look at the team, which player will give opposition nightmares?

  • CodandChips on February 21, 2014, 11:36 GMT

    So much for a "new era". Same old failures of Wright, Bopara, Dernbach and Bresnan are playing (Bresnan was great in WT20 2010, but since his injury has been poor).

    "Twenty20 is about match-winners and taking the game by the scruff of the neck"- so we axe one of our best match-winners.

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  • CodandChips on February 21, 2014, 11:36 GMT

    So much for a "new era". Same old failures of Wright, Bopara, Dernbach and Bresnan are playing (Bresnan was great in WT20 2010, but since his injury has been poor).

    "Twenty20 is about match-winners and taking the game by the scruff of the neck"- so we axe one of our best match-winners.

  • on February 21, 2014, 11:45 GMT

    Losing KP will improve the future? Guys look at the team, which player will give opposition nightmares?

  • Jaffa79 on February 21, 2014, 11:50 GMT

    Well done Stu. Very politically done. Shall I interpret? He and KP did not see a lot of each other in Australia? This is because he hates KP. He was not deeply involved? This means he was asked and he said that he wants KP out but it was not his decision. The people that took the decision are looking to the future and to the next 4-5 years not 4-5 months means the management hate KP more than everybody and would never ever tour with him again in a million years. If I were KP, I'd play IPL and release a warts and all book! He'd be rolling in money!

  • Iddo555 on February 21, 2014, 12:24 GMT

    I don't know why Bopara, Dernabach, Parry or Ali are there. This is a rubbish team and will probably get beat even though they are playing a rubbish team in the West Indies. England are going backwards and failure seems to be rewarded with continuing selection. How Bopara and Dernbach are still in the one day and 20/20 side is a complete mystery to me. They must have something juicy on the selectors because I can't think of another reason.

  • YorkerStump on February 21, 2014, 12:35 GMT

    We are destined to lose this T20 World Cup with what's happened in the past three months, but if England come anywhere close to the finals, then woohoo!

    KP will be sorely missed but to all the fans that have lost faith with England's management and the current squad of players, just wait till England reestablish themselves as a cricketing powerhouse. Sure, it's not going to happen anytime soon and you can expect several years to go by before a group of players pull a string of match winning performances. England have suffered heavy, embarrassing defeats across all formats, but all we can look forward to now are slow and steady improvements. Unless, some of the senior players strike some rich and much needed form.

    Fingers crossed that we only get better from here!

  • featurewriter on February 21, 2014, 12:46 GMT

    Broad needs to pull the splinter from his backside. Seriously, step up and claim your involvement in KP's axing. So far Cook seems to be the only player in the England camp with any degree of courage or integrity.

  • milepost on February 21, 2014, 12:54 GMT

    Broad is alright. He's right, the tour could not have been worse, it went just the way Lehmann planned it which is great. As far as wanting KP in the side, who wouldn't, he's England's best player by a mile. Yet, they dumped him. Seems like the nightmare for England will continue with decision making this poor. They will probably keep their under-performing players and dump all the good ones. Oh they did dump him.

  • Mindmaker on February 21, 2014, 13:06 GMT

    I honestly do not think England will successfully move forward without dealing with the issues of their Aussie tour conclusively. The scapegoat for that disaster was KP but who will be the next another disastrous tour? Let the world know what the issues were and everyone can move on and concentrate on the real job. Right now, I bet most of the stronger characters in that England dressing room must be peering over their shoulder all the time expecting that tap on their back to tell them they have to go in order for the team to improve "team ethics"

  • on February 21, 2014, 13:17 GMT

    @salazar555: Moeen Ali earned his spot through success in the domestic game. Harsh to question his place when he hasn't had a chance to shine internationally. Agree RE: Dernbach but Bops has done well for England over the last year, and been one of the best bats in ODIs/2020s.

    This is not a rubbish team, you just aren't as familiar with the names. They may well (and probably will) lose, but only one team can win.

    Dernbach is the only name in the side I would strongly contest the merit of.

  • jb633 on February 21, 2014, 13:43 GMT

    Until something is done about the ECB and the way they run the game at the grass roots level I can't see us sustaining any period of dominance. We had a successful period with the introduction of various kolpak cricketeres and that had some benefit to our game. It was a temporary mask though of the greater problems (lack of attacking young cricketers). The ECB and coaching set up at junior county levels is still very regimented and uninispring. Having done a lot of coaching personally I hate to see how young players have flair coachexd out of them. Below this in our primary/state school education system cricket is barely played and the promising sportsmen in our country may never know they could have been a good cricketer. If you compare this to Aus, although they have a smaller population they have a great participation rate in schools (state and private) and even better it is very competitve. In general they are a far stronger cricketing nation than us and it is no coincidence.