India in West Indies 2011 July 11, 2011

Opportunity lost for India in hard-fought series win

ESPNcricinfo reviews the Test series between West Indies and India
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In the end both teams said they are happy. From the outside it appeared West Indies should be a happier unit than India who never quite stamped their authority. They won the series but was that ever in doubt against this West Indies batting line-up? This series was about testing out the youth for India but barring Suresh Raina and Ishant Sharma, not many stood up.

And their decision to pull out of the chase on the final evening without really having a go at it was puzzling. And revealing. West Indies lost the ODI and the Test series but they slowly reached a point where they were fighting as a unit. The victory lap with thousands cheering them on at Dominica signalled that. The crowd recognised that the team had fought.

Sometimes the way the opposition views you at the end can give a fair idea about how the battle went. Here is Duncan Fletcher on West Indies: "I think they have improved all the time. I think Ottis Gibson is doing a great job. I have come here before with England and watched them in England and watching the way they just have put it together, they are definitely moving up. I wouldn't like to be another touring side and come out here and face them if this improvement continues. The bowlers did very well. The batters slowly got better and better as the series went. I was also impressed with how they put it together off the field. How they did the warm-ups. They acted as a team and they looked like a professional unit which is good to see."

Here is what Sammy said about India: "With 15 overs to go and 86 runs required, and considering the calibre of players they have like Dhoni and guys who could hit the ball, I thought they would give it a go being one up … I was surprised they shut the shop." India left you with that kind of strange taste in the mouth.

West Indies would have gained a lot from this tour. The bowlers impressed and the middle order is slowly beginning to take a solid shape. Marlon Samuels played an innings of substance in the second Test, Shivnarine Chanderpaul showed he has plenty to offer as a batsman, Darren Bravo showed glimpses of his talent, and Kirk Edwards came to the fore. The main worry will be the openers. Adrian Barath showed he has problems against the seaming delivery and he still hasn't found a stable partner. Sammy led the team with passion, bowled his heart out but as long as he doesn't contribute with the bat, the questions will continue. Ian Bishop, the former West Indies fast bowler, reckons he has done enough to continue in this team as a captain for another year till West Indies unearth another leader.

India's strengths are obvious. Ishant Sharma impressed and the bowlers were pretty good though by the end they were down and out physically. The batting was mixed. Virat Kohli and Suresh Raina did what the other was supposed to do. Many felt Raina would show weakness against the short ball and that Kohli would grab his opportunity. The reverse happened. M Vijay failed, S Badrinath never got a chance in the Tests after his poor performance in the ODIs, Abhinav Mukund showed grit and seized the opportunity.

The series started and ended with two vital dropped catches. If Sammy had caught Rahul Dravid in the first Test who knows what might have happened there? If Dravid had caught Chanderpaul in the final Test what could have been the result? Those turning points indicate how well-fought the games were. India usually always dominated because West Indies' batting was weaker but it wasn't a cakewalk by any means.

India were lifted out of the hole in the first Test by Raina and Harbhajan Singh; Dravid played the rescue act in the second innings; VVS Laxman was the saviour in the second Test. It was never easy. It was that kind of series. The pitches were tilted towards the bowlers and the groundsmen should be thanked for providing us with an enjoyable series.

India won but with this West Indies batting line-up, they would see the 1-0 margin as an opportunity lost.

Sriram Veera is a staff writer at ESPNcricinfo

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  • Hindh on July 14, 2011, 14:47 GMT

    @popcorn look out for ur aussie team they are getting smashed by everybody. And do not give ponting's example as he is the one who is always against the spirit of the game....

  • iamgroot on July 14, 2011, 12:31 GMT

    @VAS4 What is wrong in supporting dhoni? There was a time in the past when the previous captains were having even better players at their disposal "the legends" and still scraped to escape defeat. But Dhoni as captain has done superbly in past 3 years.Nothing wrong in winning series 1-0 and Indian team did give a go at the win. Its not like they didnt try. Instead of just blindly commenting here it will be better you understand the reasons. 1) Umpiring was POOR so there was always a possibility of BAD decisions going against Indian team 2) BAD Light would have definitely cut off some over. Remember in 2nd test match India didnt get to bowl the 11 overs so it could have happened here too 3) WI bowlers were so scared that they were bowling outside OFF and negative line outside leg stump 4) Suresh Raina was promoted but what happened? He tried to accelerate and looked awful when he got OUT 5) Virat Kohli was not in good touch either 6) Pitch wasn't easy. SO his decision is JUSTIFIED.

  • popcorn on July 14, 2011, 9:18 GMT

    Mahendra Singh Dhoni has shown his true colours - a worthless defensive captain - scared of losing.Not confident of his own team. Only talks big.He should learn from the greatest Test Captain EVER - Ricky Ponting, who as Test Captain has the highest number of Test wins,no Captain can catch up with.In the third Test at Sydney, Janary 2 to 6, 2006, Graeme Smith,South Africa's Captain, set Australia 287 runs to win on Day 5. Ricky Ponting, Captain Courageous, scored 140 not out, Mathew Hayden 90, and Australia achieved their target - 2 / 288. THAT is the stuff Champions are made of. Not Captains and Teams more concerned with protecting their 1 - nil series win number. Australia won that series 2 -nil.

  • VAS4 on July 14, 2011, 5:31 GMT

    @samavb, Blindly supporting Dhoni is not the best way to encourage the man or the team. India won or lost was not the question. We question his attitude. He was only looking for 1-0 series win against his name. With a coach like Flutcher and his negetive attitude combined with Dhoni's defensive approach, India's futre is not bright at all. Bishoo did not bowl where Dravid wanted, pitch was not like in ipl, the fielders were close these are all stupid excuses. There were batsmen like Dhoni himself, Bhajji, Virat and Kumar. Like someone rightfully said, Virat had nothing to loose and Bhajji wont mind a swing. The point is there was no intention to win, even against a team like WI. At no point of time India played like no 1 team. People who are supporting the decision are fooling themselves and trying to fool others too.

  • Prakmca on July 14, 2011, 5:27 GMT

    Harbajan was there in the team for nothing...After his 6 wickets in the last test, he had booked his slot for another 20-25 tests to come. Ridiculous. Whats special Dhoni and Selectors seeing in him. Its time to drop him from the tests atleast. He is no more a match winner......

  • iamgroot on July 13, 2011, 21:43 GMT

    Did anyone saw how many umpiring howlers were made during the test series? Second string indian won the series. And how the bad light saved the WI in 2nd test match with bad light. If they continued India would have surely wrapped it especially after taking two quick wickets. Dhoni made a sporting declaration and I felt it wasnt enough and in the end it turned out that Dhoni was right with WI still far from the target. In this test match too India did go for the win and after losing 3 wickets Team management found out that it wasnt worth. When WI is bowling wide outside off and you got badlight coming into play later along with some umpiring howlers all through out the test series. How can anyone think it is easy with pitch and What if Indian team continued and the remaining got few batsman got bad decisions and overs reduced due to bad light? Fact is Dhoni is Smart and best captain and he must have thought all these reasons and more. They won the series and thats GR8

  • on July 13, 2011, 20:41 GMT

    If the time was not lost due to rain/light, we could have won both test matches despite not having Sehwag, Sachin, Gambhir in the team. Yes this was best bowling attack we have and it struggled to get opposition out in crucial times, but I would give them fair 5 days of play and they would have won all test matches.

  • on July 13, 2011, 19:36 GMT

    currently v r the world best cricket team in both the formats....i beleive...!as sum people think...india plyed safe or was nt up 2 the mark nd they even nt plyed as the world #1.....bt still this exceptional team became the best team after the wc....nt bef ore....nd the world cup ended just 3 mnths bck nd after that v just played our 1 series against the windies which v woh comfortably bt nt conviencingly,,,..becoz most of our players were on rest nd i beleive this young team played up 2 the mark nd the conclusion could only b derived after the england series....!v only hav 1 reason 2 become a legend means u alwayz hav 2 beat the legend 2 become a legend....!which would b soon done by our team with such a enthusiasm nd poteintial....!

  • m_ilind on July 13, 2011, 19:18 GMT

    Apart from Bhajji & Raina in the first test at Jamaica, India's batting was on the defensive most of the time. The youngsters did not click, and that made the difference in the scoreline from being 3-0 to 1-0. Full credit to WI bowling particularly Fidel Edwards for keeping India's batsmen under control.

  • kumarcoolbuddy on July 13, 2011, 19:14 GMT

    @Abdul Ansari, looks like you are very much interested to criticize Indian team for that defensive approach. You said Test WINs are important and we can count on fingers. Yes test match so important and such WINs are possible only if we have good test players. But I didn't understand how did you miss the difference between T20, ODI and Test? You are asking a team to score at 6 RPO on a typical WI pitch which no one scored at more than 3 RPO. If you have respect for test players ask Rahul Dravid about that WI pitch. Since you are comparing with IPL and if u have watched last IPL some teams were all out below 100.Can you tell me why is so called great team AUS has debaccled now? Put some common sense besides to following Stats.

  • Hindh on July 14, 2011, 14:47 GMT

    @popcorn look out for ur aussie team they are getting smashed by everybody. And do not give ponting's example as he is the one who is always against the spirit of the game....

  • iamgroot on July 14, 2011, 12:31 GMT

    @VAS4 What is wrong in supporting dhoni? There was a time in the past when the previous captains were having even better players at their disposal "the legends" and still scraped to escape defeat. But Dhoni as captain has done superbly in past 3 years.Nothing wrong in winning series 1-0 and Indian team did give a go at the win. Its not like they didnt try. Instead of just blindly commenting here it will be better you understand the reasons. 1) Umpiring was POOR so there was always a possibility of BAD decisions going against Indian team 2) BAD Light would have definitely cut off some over. Remember in 2nd test match India didnt get to bowl the 11 overs so it could have happened here too 3) WI bowlers were so scared that they were bowling outside OFF and negative line outside leg stump 4) Suresh Raina was promoted but what happened? He tried to accelerate and looked awful when he got OUT 5) Virat Kohli was not in good touch either 6) Pitch wasn't easy. SO his decision is JUSTIFIED.

  • popcorn on July 14, 2011, 9:18 GMT

    Mahendra Singh Dhoni has shown his true colours - a worthless defensive captain - scared of losing.Not confident of his own team. Only talks big.He should learn from the greatest Test Captain EVER - Ricky Ponting, who as Test Captain has the highest number of Test wins,no Captain can catch up with.In the third Test at Sydney, Janary 2 to 6, 2006, Graeme Smith,South Africa's Captain, set Australia 287 runs to win on Day 5. Ricky Ponting, Captain Courageous, scored 140 not out, Mathew Hayden 90, and Australia achieved their target - 2 / 288. THAT is the stuff Champions are made of. Not Captains and Teams more concerned with protecting their 1 - nil series win number. Australia won that series 2 -nil.

  • VAS4 on July 14, 2011, 5:31 GMT

    @samavb, Blindly supporting Dhoni is not the best way to encourage the man or the team. India won or lost was not the question. We question his attitude. He was only looking for 1-0 series win against his name. With a coach like Flutcher and his negetive attitude combined with Dhoni's defensive approach, India's futre is not bright at all. Bishoo did not bowl where Dravid wanted, pitch was not like in ipl, the fielders were close these are all stupid excuses. There were batsmen like Dhoni himself, Bhajji, Virat and Kumar. Like someone rightfully said, Virat had nothing to loose and Bhajji wont mind a swing. The point is there was no intention to win, even against a team like WI. At no point of time India played like no 1 team. People who are supporting the decision are fooling themselves and trying to fool others too.

  • Prakmca on July 14, 2011, 5:27 GMT

    Harbajan was there in the team for nothing...After his 6 wickets in the last test, he had booked his slot for another 20-25 tests to come. Ridiculous. Whats special Dhoni and Selectors seeing in him. Its time to drop him from the tests atleast. He is no more a match winner......

  • iamgroot on July 13, 2011, 21:43 GMT

    Did anyone saw how many umpiring howlers were made during the test series? Second string indian won the series. And how the bad light saved the WI in 2nd test match with bad light. If they continued India would have surely wrapped it especially after taking two quick wickets. Dhoni made a sporting declaration and I felt it wasnt enough and in the end it turned out that Dhoni was right with WI still far from the target. In this test match too India did go for the win and after losing 3 wickets Team management found out that it wasnt worth. When WI is bowling wide outside off and you got badlight coming into play later along with some umpiring howlers all through out the test series. How can anyone think it is easy with pitch and What if Indian team continued and the remaining got few batsman got bad decisions and overs reduced due to bad light? Fact is Dhoni is Smart and best captain and he must have thought all these reasons and more. They won the series and thats GR8

  • on July 13, 2011, 20:41 GMT

    If the time was not lost due to rain/light, we could have won both test matches despite not having Sehwag, Sachin, Gambhir in the team. Yes this was best bowling attack we have and it struggled to get opposition out in crucial times, but I would give them fair 5 days of play and they would have won all test matches.

  • on July 13, 2011, 19:36 GMT

    currently v r the world best cricket team in both the formats....i beleive...!as sum people think...india plyed safe or was nt up 2 the mark nd they even nt plyed as the world #1.....bt still this exceptional team became the best team after the wc....nt bef ore....nd the world cup ended just 3 mnths bck nd after that v just played our 1 series against the windies which v woh comfortably bt nt conviencingly,,,..becoz most of our players were on rest nd i beleive this young team played up 2 the mark nd the conclusion could only b derived after the england series....!v only hav 1 reason 2 become a legend means u alwayz hav 2 beat the legend 2 become a legend....!which would b soon done by our team with such a enthusiasm nd poteintial....!

  • m_ilind on July 13, 2011, 19:18 GMT

    Apart from Bhajji & Raina in the first test at Jamaica, India's batting was on the defensive most of the time. The youngsters did not click, and that made the difference in the scoreline from being 3-0 to 1-0. Full credit to WI bowling particularly Fidel Edwards for keeping India's batsmen under control.

  • kumarcoolbuddy on July 13, 2011, 19:14 GMT

    @Abdul Ansari, looks like you are very much interested to criticize Indian team for that defensive approach. You said Test WINs are important and we can count on fingers. Yes test match so important and such WINs are possible only if we have good test players. But I didn't understand how did you miss the difference between T20, ODI and Test? You are asking a team to score at 6 RPO on a typical WI pitch which no one scored at more than 3 RPO. If you have respect for test players ask Rahul Dravid about that WI pitch. Since you are comparing with IPL and if u have watched last IPL some teams were all out below 100.Can you tell me why is so called great team AUS has debaccled now? Put some common sense besides to following Stats.

  • HSAF on July 13, 2011, 19:00 GMT

    Hey all, I don't know how we indians (who knows cricket) will support the decision of Dhoni at that match. Its not about winning it, its about his attitude of not to try or play itself that too from who had shown intend of pushing WI to an edge by declaring with minimum score on the previous match. The reason he quoted - "don't wanna risk", we had just 15 overs to play and we had 7 batsmens (atleast 2 Legends Dravid and Laxman - who can make a draw even if every others failed). The match was completely in our hand - either we could have won or made it a close draw. Somebody even commented Sammy should asked for continuation, how would he as he is the captain of the team which was in great danger to a lose a second one (as luckily already saved by rain on second match). The attitude of Dhoni was the question and not the Team or winning. Remember, it would be a record if they had tried and won, which we can't able to achieve it for long long years (sorry yet to achieve because of Dhoni).

  • kumarcoolbuddy on July 13, 2011, 18:32 GMT

    @CandidIndian, though you have explained clearly that this game is of youngsters everyone will come ahead and blame India and Dhoni. There is big discussison of "#1 mantra" here. Other country fans are chanting this #1 mantra and criticizing India because they are unable to digest India being #1 and Indian fans are feeling as insulted others are laughing at India. You don't feel bad when someone insults you but it matters when someone laughs at that insult. I donno why ppl are comparing with AUS whose approach was completely different. Aged players, Sledging, Mind game, aggressiveness etc. But everything is gone now.

  • kumarcoolbuddy on July 13, 2011, 18:04 GMT

    For all (including Indian fans) who are saying India didn't play like #1 team and not eligible to be as #1. First of all if India were really and seriously cared for #1 spot it wud have played with all possible top stars like what AUS did when it was top in history. Now AUS is struggling once they lost all their top players. Everyone is disappointed but we don't as much as captains and players know. Sammy said he was surprised for giving up those last 15 overs as if the pitch was favorable for batsmen. he was over-confident since match was drawn.

  • spiritwithin on July 13, 2011, 17:15 GMT

    @Tausif Choudhury..dude india may be no.1 team at the moment but that does'nt mean they r as good as aus or WI of past,no.1 means they r better than the rest at present and thats all,u cant just compare the indian team with a legendary team of aus having players like hayden,langer,ponting,gilly,steve waugh,warne,mcgrath etc,deal with it...and T20 is different from tests matches,though as an indian fan we r surprised and sad by dhoni's decision but thats the fact,india is good now but not the best of all time....

  • kumarcoolbuddy on July 13, 2011, 16:09 GMT

    @Aniket Chiniwalla, I am not sure if that is the tactic but definitely he shrewd captain. He is very strong psychologically. No one is understanding that he is the same captain who declared the 2nd test and gave target to WI but rain took care of the result which is again part of the game.

  • kumarcoolbuddy on July 13, 2011, 15:55 GMT

    @Tausif Choudhury, u r a big fan of Pakistan and bangladesh but not cricket. Your scope of thinking is less. India's fundamental idea is to give as many chances as possible to youngsters to build future team in parallel. This is one of the purposes of IPL besides to earning money. --I agree AUS was top but it is history now. It had played with with all possible top stars (who are atleast 30+ in age) and now they are suffering. Even AUS is following same fundamentals of India now. One more reason for AUS's debbacle is "Mind game" is no more a trick for them since sledging is being monitored. --Tell me one country who scored at 4RPO in those kind of pitches of WI. WI is meant for tough pitches and India atleast tried at 3.5 RPO with youngsters. Even I am disappointed for that result but Dhoni and Co. knows more than we know.

  • CandidIndian on July 13, 2011, 15:20 GMT

    Very nice article.Good thing for India is that they obviously did not rate WI as much of a threat and for this reason they did not send a full strength side and that move did not backfire thankfully . Indians managed to win ODI and test series.Bad thing is that India have come up a long way from being an average test team in 90s and early 2000 to a strong team but still are far from greatness.We cannot blame Dhoni and Fletcher for defensive move ,as its clear that they did not have the confidence in young batsman of India except Raina.Vijay was complete failure as expected and Bhajji was not up to the mark given that he has got so much experience and he was on bowling on pitches helping the spinners against a team who does not play spin well,and it clear that Virat is not ready for tests,so giving him chance ahead of Rohit and Badrinath was a decision taken in hurry without much thought given to it.

  • on July 13, 2011, 15:18 GMT

    Opportunity to do what Sriram veera ???? Very farcical article....It rained for almost 4 days in the 15 day series !!! Media sensationalism at its best...y dont you start giving ur "build up" for the English tour rather.....

  • on July 13, 2011, 14:28 GMT

    India did really prove that they took WI very lightly in the beginning of the tour, and in the end they were too scared to lose from them thats why they laid their weapons. 15 overs to go, 86 needed with 7 wickets in hand, and against WI, India gave it away too easily, considering what the Indian batting lineup is believed to be capable of doing, having played many ODIs & T20s. this was by no means a draw target.

  • Farhan166 on July 13, 2011, 13:05 GMT

    If this is the approach of no. 1 team and the highest paid cricketer in the world you really feel sorry for cricket.

  • Sr76er on July 13, 2011, 13:03 GMT

    Its easy to sit in the comfort of home and comment why India did not go on for the Win. Indians were fielding for 1.5days straight and then came to chase this Target. Please don't tell its the same as T20. Only post Ganguly Indian team's test matches are interesting to watch. The yester year players have never been aggressive barring few and have no right to comment.

  • on July 13, 2011, 11:48 GMT

    I am a huge fan of my nation Bangladesh and a die hard fan of Pakistan. But as far watching this series of India I will say they disappointed me and so is their performance made many doubt over the future of test cricket.How can a country with 4 years of IPL experience donot go and chase 4runs per over,considering they are the best team in world,considering they are known for having the best batting order in the world...I mean they are also against a mediocre attack which maynot threaten to take 10wickets within so less time.They played in 4thinnings as if they played a practice match.In this series we all saw how India played as the world champions and how Aussies played when they dominated cricket in late 90s.Aussies fight hard from the first ball till the last ball of a series.why is so many key players resting?After winning the 2003 world cup have u seen ponting,hayden,gilcrist or anyone to take a break? I think if you Indians agree with my comment please let me know...

  • on July 13, 2011, 10:02 GMT

    i dont understand y chief selector of indian cricket team Srikkanth going behind tamilnadu players there are many tallented players in karnataka as well like manish pandey he is a leading scorer in 1st class cricket and the batsmen like robbin uthappa

  • Pathiyal on July 13, 2011, 9:19 GMT

    an opening combination with half the abilities of sehwag-gambir would have brought back things in india's favour. although mukund showed some improvement none seemed to be backing him up, consequently he lacked impact. murali, kohli failed completely, raina clicked only occasionally, rahul's form deceived him towards the end.....left MSD unsure. sehwag and gautam partnership would have made all the difference. although disappointed with the draw, i wouldnt just blame MSD

  • ranpath on July 13, 2011, 9:17 GMT

    What law states that India had to win 2-0 or 3-0 ???? They have one the series and that should satisfy all. They had WI on the backfoot after the first two innings in each of the three tests. In the second and third , on the last day WI had to fight to save the test. Being 1-up Dhoni did not have to declare on the last day of the second test and give WI an outside chance of victory . Yet he is criticised for what he did on the last day of the third test. Let's be consistent in our commentary please !!! let's also note that some Indian batsmen ( e.g. Dhoni, Laxman ) had some freakish dismissals, the latter while well set past 50.

  • hari.adroit on July 13, 2011, 8:00 GMT

    Harbajan singh dragged us dowm. Things would be different if harbajan singh bowled well. He may have taken 400 wkts but currently he is not bowling well.

  • on July 13, 2011, 7:38 GMT

    I dont know why we keep on picking Sreesanth again and again.Talent is of no use without application.Instead PK has shown what is hard work and application.Also I think by now, we should know the capabilities of M. Vijay.

  • F18SuperHornet on July 13, 2011, 7:27 GMT

    I believe SudhirKarnik has aptly summed up the point. With the generally poor quality of umpiring in this series coupled with may be a freak run-out would have put India in dire straits and searching to save the game. Sammy is hiding his failure behind the mask of a so called moral victory. We are talking about a test nation playing at its home soil and all they could salvage is moral victory?

  • on July 13, 2011, 7:14 GMT

    wouldn't have hurt if we'd been 5 or6 down with 15 overs to play . but 7 in hand and the target 86, we should've played on even if it meant scoring , say 20- 30 less than the target. we never fought and that doesn't augur well since there are other instances also

  • on July 13, 2011, 7:02 GMT

    Ok, a lot of Dhoni bashing has been done. But after introspecting I strongly feel this was a very clever tactical move by Dhoni. With the England tour coming up, he wanted the team to reach there early and acclimatise to the conditions there. Not to mention that most of the team was emotionally drained out with the WI fightback. This is what happens during excessive cricket. Also let us not forget his great move of declaring in Barbados test, which we could have easily won.

    Let us not forget that Dhoni, who after Kumble and Ganguly is the most shrewd captain that India has had. He wont be so linient towards the Englishmen.

    His strength of character lies in the way he behaved in the 2011 WC Final which we won, despite making the most crucial contribution, he let the rest of the team specially Tendulkar take the limelight.

    Give him his space guys, there's more to come from this great man!

  • SudhirKarnik on July 13, 2011, 5:40 GMT

    I find it very amusing when past captains (like Bedi) who did not have much to show for their own performance as captains and Ravi Shastri criticizing Dhoni's decision in the third test. A freak dismissal, and/or a bad decision or two would have made India to struggle to save the match. Also round the wicket outside the leg stump attack clearly indicated that WI could shut the Indians anytime. It is ridiculous talking about T20 when most of the teams nowdays struggle with ODI run rate of 5 Runs per over. Does Ravi Shastri not know the difference in 'wide' and field restriction rules in limited over games normally played on batting friendly pitches?

    As to Sammys 'surprise' - he smugly used this rain shortened test escape and hide his own shortcomings to project a moral victory.

  • ravikiran.bits on July 13, 2011, 5:36 GMT

    India would have made the series 3-0! but its rain which saved westindies. India's performance was poor but westinidies perf was worse.!

  • ToTellUTheTruth on July 13, 2011, 4:54 GMT

    @randika..the point is, this series was not deemed significant, that some of the others that skipped because of "injuries", did not think they should rest during IPL. All those guys played every game of IPL and conveniently picked up a niggle here or there, just because they have to play WI. Now, they are all ready to play against Eng (except for Viru, who may surprise us by being in the team for the first warm up).

    So, that was the significance of this series for India.

  • moko58 on July 13, 2011, 4:22 GMT

    Indian batsmen seemed to be too defensive. Maybe they could not adjust from One day and T 20 to Test and over-corrected their technique.

  • cricket_fan_1 on July 13, 2011, 3:38 GMT

    India was not able to stamp authority with the ball though Ishant was the best bowler from both the sides. India did stamp its authority with the bat. WI was under pressure in all the matches and had to rely on rain Gods to save the tests.

  • cricket_fan_1 on July 13, 2011, 2:54 GMT

    Pak drew the test series against a weaker WI side and India Won the series against a stronger and more prepared WI side. There was no chanderpaul and few other strong players that played against India. Losing points inspite of winning series is ridiculous but as long as the same rule applies to all. India has a big bowling problem. They need to start taking 20 wickects consistently. England batting lineup is awsome. they have won Ashes back to back and would be very difficult to beat on home turf. They beat pak 3-1 at home and SL 1-0. Indian bowlers will need to lift their game for India to win.

  • Hindh on July 13, 2011, 2:21 GMT

    India won T20, ODI and test series on the tour they have accomplished all of it.... so no Complaints..........

  • on July 13, 2011, 1:17 GMT

    Indian team start doubting their ability ,its really a bad sign .If you continue to do that then it will be the beginning of downfall.This negative thinking was the main reason for the failure old indian team.Now i am seeing it back in the third test , we need to nullify it right away.

  • THEDEXTERS on July 12, 2011, 23:11 GMT

    Had we won the second test.. (which we would have had it not been for the rains) I think the kind of player/captain that dhoni is.. we would have chased it here.. but it made sense not to risk the series...

  • on July 12, 2011, 22:48 GMT

    Did anyone notice that India actually lost a few rating points in ICC rankings though they won the series. We were at 128 to start with and now are at 126. Losing 2 points is huge. The calculation was simple. India were never to gain any point at all even if they had won all 3 matches. But had they won the series 2-0, we would still lose a point. And now winning the series 1-0, we lost 2 points. Hope we can make for it in England series.

  • Majoreg on July 12, 2011, 21:25 GMT

    I would give this Indian team a B-. It might seem harsh marking but when one considers as Sririram rightly says that they were expected by all to come out here and win, they did not show the killer instinct of a team ranked no.1. As Sririram also puts it this was a tour for the youngsters to prove themselves worthy to replace the Dravids, Laxmans and Tendulkars and what did we get? Raina who can no longer be called a youngster, was irresponsible with his batting in the T20 and ODI's but showed better sense in the tests. The other youngsters Kohli, Vijay and Mukund to a lesser extent all performed at less than the potential seen in them. Mukund will find it slim pickings when he faces an England attack full of tall fast bowlers who could swing and seam the ball.

  • Pavime on July 12, 2011, 21:15 GMT

    Windies team in crisis. Lankan team purpotedly in crisis. P'tan team in (perpertual) crisis. Oz team rumored to be in crisis. But one thing you cannot take away from any of them is that, on the field, these lads fight to the end. They never give up. Indians need this. Don King called it the "hustle". "Put some hustle behind that muscle" were the boxing promoter's famous words. Talent, potential, ranking is not enough. We need mental strength and hustle as well.

    England will be the true test, whether India are worthy world champions, or home ground champions. It was reported that India don't like English tracks. Heck, India are not comfortable in Windies, Lanka, Oz, B'desh, S Afr, etc either! Or for that matter, large number of Indian pitches as well!

    Go India! Fight! We're behind you! Hear us roar!!

  • getsetgopk on July 12, 2011, 20:52 GMT

    seeing india's performance in caribbean there is some serious spanking on the way in england.

  • bharatheeyan on July 12, 2011, 20:28 GMT

    @randika; agreed its international cricket,so y u didnt asked the rain to be away from the fields.if no rain it would have been a 3-0 series in favour of india, the world #1 team.

  • on July 12, 2011, 20:16 GMT

    @Abdul Ansari : Quick quiz for you 1) How much did Gillespie a night watchman score against Bangladesh? 2) In World cup 2011. how much did Bangladesh score against WI? 3)Did you defeat Ireland everytime?

  • 200ondebut on July 12, 2011, 20:00 GMT

    Great result for India against the might of the West Indies. The side here is what the team might look like in a couple of years when all the great players have retired. Need to aviod the problems Aus have faced otherwise face humiliating slide down the rankings.

  • bluemagik on July 12, 2011, 19:38 GMT

    Everybody is an expert!! In the 2nd match Dhoni set WI with a target of 281 and went for the kill. Had it not been for the rain we would have got that emphatic 2-1 series win. On sluggish pitches with spongy bounce we were set a run a ball target. This is test cricket, not your IPL slugfest. Here the bowler has a say and makes it count. When we lost 3 quick wickets the team's tactics changed from go for glory to play the percentages and win the series....In this quest to make a statement, had we failed and gotten out for say 120, all the media and pundits would have crucified the team for not playing snesible cricket and being over confident....I say give the guys a break and enjoy the series win....and hope that this 'ruthlessness' is displayed in the series against England where it will be needed just to make an impression...so take a chill pill and give our 2nd string team the credit it deserves.

  • on July 12, 2011, 19:35 GMT

    I think fans need to give some space to their captain. Whatever Dhoni decides in a crucial match, he comes under scrutiny if it does not work. For example, giving oppurtunity for Nehra to bowl the last over against SA. All the fans were furious as to why he was given the last over... Dhoni has his own calculations to back his decisions. His theory for that decision was between 2005 and 2011, Nehra has bowled the last over three times when India was in a cricual juncture and he has been successfull all the three times. Some decision work and some don't. If for every wrong decision fans are jumping up and down, then the captain will definitely want to play it safe.... If something had gone wrong, all the media and the press would have pounced on him.... What else you expect.

  • randika_ayya on July 12, 2011, 19:26 GMT

    @SunnyGIsGawd: Only 2 I think, sachin and Zaheer. Others were either injured or plain tired! Whats your point anyway, international cricket is just that. International cricket. No excuses please!

  • Bouncypitches on July 12, 2011, 19:16 GMT

    I completely supported Dhoni's decision in the last test not to go for the win with a run-rate close to 6. If anything, I am critical of the WI team who were supposed to be making the running to win. If they had gone for a sporting declaration, India would have gone for it and then there was a better chance for a WI win also. WI also started to bowl negatively (Bishoo's leg-side bowling for example).

    However, Dhoni should have asked Ishant and the other bowlers to bowl full and aggressively in the morning rather than the short-pitched stuff. That looked like a negative tactic to me.

    All in all I am satisfied India tried their best to win 2-0 with so much time lost to rain and soggy outfields where the ball stops short of the rope!!

  • bharatheeyan on July 12, 2011, 19:09 GMT

    i do agree with spiritwithin,excellent analysis,india played only with half of their regular players and they were playing against a 12 man squad,the additional member for WI being the rain.well done india,keep up the good work in england too..

  • on July 12, 2011, 19:08 GMT

    I dont mind MSD's decision to pull back the chase! it was sure that he wasn't take the decision alone! he mite hav discaused with RD and VVS b4 pullin back! also talking abt england serious im dam sure india will win the serious as they did last time in england! english players started their mid games but india will show them wat they made off!

  • karthikmano on July 12, 2011, 18:51 GMT

    Dhoni's men play for the country - not for the crowd, television viewers, veera, sharda & zaltz. Lets not forget What happened in wc ind vs sa. spirit & aggression called for here cud ve cost us the cup thn

  • GauravRai on July 12, 2011, 18:46 GMT

    There is funny comment abt Cricket grand Slam as winning in Eng , Aus , SA.. Some body Say Srilanka as lowly ranked associate .. Funny Guys ... Listen in Cricket there is World Cup and not grand slam . Srilanka humiliated England in WC.. so just keep shut...

  • on July 12, 2011, 18:44 GMT

    Team which loses is not the worst team but team which doesn't fight is !

  • ROXSPORT on July 12, 2011, 18:22 GMT

    I find it really strange that India didn't go for it. Dhoni's comments are mutually contradictory. On the one hand he talks about a possible loss to the Windies whereas on the other hand, he justified his bowlers' inability to finish off the Windies tail by saying that the pitch had nothing in it & THERE WAS NOTHING FOR THE BOWLERS AFTER ABOUT 20-OVERS. In reality, he is really a guy who is just about afraid of everything. Not a world beater by any standards. I thought he erred in sending in Suresh Raina ahead of Laxman. VVS, being in such great form, would have been ideally suited after the fall of Murali Vijay (who incidentally shouldn't have been playing this match. Rather, Parthiv Patel should have been. But then again, Dhoni's insecurity complex took over & Parthiv didn't get a chance. Had Parthiv played & got some runs, he would have become a competitor to Dhoni, since he himself wasn't getting any runs. Or so he thought. Hence the decision not to play Parthiv Patel).

  • on July 12, 2011, 18:14 GMT

    Can't Agree more with Kentjones' and Sanoop_r's comments.

  • SRP1 on July 12, 2011, 17:59 GMT

    I dont understand this criticism on Team India. why people dont remember the positive things, what about the brave declaration by Dhoni in the second test. And what if India lose in England, just with one series lost will they not consider India as No 1 test side.Remeber when Australia came to India in 2001, they lost the series in india gaianst India, which means do people consider Australia as waste team what about aussies lossing to England in Ashes, that doesnt mean Australia is a bad team. When two equal level teams play against each other, the result could be on either side, you cant always expect only one team to win.If that is the case on federer should win over nadal and Nadal would have never win over federer.

    Cricket is a Team game on a give day if a team doesnt perform well they will lose.

  • HogwartsWizards on July 12, 2011, 17:57 GMT

    It seems to me that everybody is very harsh on India for not chasing the target. If Dravid says these are very difficult wickets to bat on then we must accept that it is so. Sending Dravid at number three was not a bad move, particularly considering the form Virat is in. Recognize also that India had everything to lose and Windies had nothing to lose on the last afternoon. Also, WI must be given credit for fighting it out the way they did. WI punching above and India under-performing is not a fair characterization. Expectations of Indian fans tend to soar very easily, but if you take a step back and realize that India has always been limited by their bowling resources particularly when they play away (even during their ascent to Number 1). And with the batting power missing, this is an excellent performance by this Indian team. They should be commended and not criticised for not going hard after the target on the last afternoon.

  • spiritwithin on July 12, 2011, 17:54 GMT

    @ likeintcricket,['''Cricket's Grand Slam is winning the series in ENG, AUS and South Africa''']...so its ok to lose in subcontinent and u can still call those teams as no.1 even if they lose in india,SL etc??if india has to prove themselves in aus,SA & eng then so does other teams in india & SL,may i know when was the last time england won a series in india??yea its way back in 1985 and when india won in eng??as recently as 2007,so its england,SA & aus who has to win in india to be called as no.1 as well,when aus won in india in 2004 they were no.1,when SA won in india in 2000 they were good but what after that???does'nt these teams needs to win here in india at present to be counted as best currently or winning in india once in 40years is enough to be counted as no.1 for whole generation???even i can say that steve waugh's team was not no.1 during his time coz his team under his captaincy did'nt won in india,and when SA won a series in SL??plz remind me of that too...

  • saccs76 on July 12, 2011, 17:45 GMT

    I have lost my respect with cricinfo for having written this article. A second-string Indian team winning a series playing against a Windies team though weak but tricky with high confidence. That too outside the subcontinent. And finally, this is what they get.....criticism from all corners.... We are no Ricky's Aussies (from 1999- 2005) to stamp authority anywhere.....what for.... We have learnt to win and not risking games but winning in the big picture is what we need. And that's what we have here !!! Why didn't anybody complain when we won the world cup ???? That too losing atleast a game in the preliminary stages....Did Ricky's team lose when they won world cups ??? Come on..... we are what we are.... we need not be compared to anyone else and yet can stay on top....GO INDIA GO....we are with you.

  • spiritwithin on July 12, 2011, 17:39 GMT

    and some fans were also giving excuses like WI missing 5-6 players..lol...roach,taylor,benn,bravo all were available but not selected coz the team needs 11 players not 16,where can u accomodate all these players in the playing 11??bishoo has taken the place of Benn..edward,rampaul and Sammy took the place of taylor,roach,even sarwan was dropped for non performance...so the only player WI missed was gayle..and its WI who were literally saving all matches and rain helped them to save the last two tests(1.5days lost in 2nd tests & 70overs in 3rd tests),and this young indian team therefore has done well to win the series 1-0...and this indian team barring dravid & laxman r still young enough,so hats of to this indian team..

  • likeintcricket on July 12, 2011, 17:33 GMT

    England series is a make or break series for Indians. If they lose that series than It'll be hard to convince the cricket fans outside India that they are #1 only on the paper ranking. Just like Wozniaki got to number #1 without winning any Grand slam Similarly Cricket's Grand Slam is winning the series in ENG, AUS and South Africa.

  • vakkaraju on July 12, 2011, 17:30 GMT

    When you look at the India teams they always seem to play to the level of the opposition. The recent world cup they won against lowly ranked associates but never blew them away, like Sri Lanka for example. Against better teams they seemed to raise their level of play. That may be all in their psyche. Something to think about.

  • spiritwithin on July 12, 2011, 17:27 GMT

    @Peter Walcott,did u just said that WI wud have won the 2nd & 3rd test match had there been no rain???due u know that in 2nd tests india declared at 280 coz of rain which reduced the match by 1.5days otherwise india wud have given WI the target of 350+ and not 280 and going by the way WI played they were surely in for a loss,in 3rd tests 70+overs were lost,which means india wud have needed 180 in 110overs to chase so its WI who were saved by the rain and not india...dhoni did'nt chickened out of the last 15overs but he realised that playing 15overs making 50odd runs is not enough to win the match coz as dravid said its not easy to score on that pitch quickly,if ur team was sensing a win then y sammy agreed for a draw with 15overs remaining???does it means sammy chickened out too??...plz d some research before posting..thankyou

  • on July 12, 2011, 16:58 GMT

    Its very strange to see this action taken by team india,iwould like to ask mr fletcher is this the way you are to coach team india.....shocked....still we were having doni, kohli, dravid and laxman cant we achieve 90 runs in 15 over....thats shocked......what happend to mr dhoni...dont have confidence.....if this would have been bangladesh or zimbabwe definitely they would have gone for victory.........winning seriies in WI by2-0 has always been a dream for team india.....ur decison may effect tour of england.........

  • on July 12, 2011, 16:54 GMT

    Its easy to comment after the match. Just look at IPL. When Sachin tried with Abu Naschim, it didnt work out and people criticised. Whereas Dhoni tried with Ashwin, it worked. Both are inexperienced players. Its just a game and people should not talk, why this and why not that? The players on the ground know better than us. Just enjoy.....

  • rahulcricindia on July 12, 2011, 16:24 GMT

    i think tremlet , anderson and swan will retired after the INDIAN series as they will be badly thumped...by us!

  • Raj12345 on July 12, 2011, 16:21 GMT

    This is my argument always. Raina/Kohli/RG/Dhoni/Bhajji is controlling too much cricket now days. They might won WC for us. I would say,still we need hunt for better people from 1 billion people. If we think our team is running 100m in 15 secs, just scan them carefully, look at them how they are surviving in team and look for better people to finish 100m in 10 secs. That is what Aus were doing when they were no 1. if we don't do that, these people will spoil our cricket and we will soon loose fame.

  • Sanoop_r on July 12, 2011, 16:17 GMT

    Why do people equate 20-20 match scenarios to Test matches ? The batting team knew exactly how tough it was to bat on that 5th day track. Darren Sammy stated he was surprised because that was the only way he could taunt our team. He had nothing to lose but to get to that win. That was his only chance to regain some 'more' ('more' because I appreciate his efforts throughout the series) pride from the series. It was not that India did not try for the win. Raina was sent in earlier to step it up and go for the win. Sheesh people... Educate yourself and be optimistic about this result and look forward to the England tour...

  • ToTellUTheTruth on July 12, 2011, 16:10 GMT

    @Aussasina...you are right. This series is not a significant anything. Did you notice how many players gave this series a miss?

  • kentjones on July 12, 2011, 16:07 GMT

    Rather unfair and unfortunate comments on team India. Everything should be put in perspective before making rash and unwarranted criticism of the Indian performance in the Caribbean. More than half of the best side was missing, more than one third of total playing time was lost to rain. India won the T20, the ODI and the test series. Nuff said!!!

  • adis26 on July 12, 2011, 16:07 GMT

    All the three test matches had the HUGE rain element in them. An average of 200 overs lost per test match if not more. That is 3.5 to 4 days per game. A second string Indian team without - Tendulkar, Sehwag, Gambhir, Zaheer and none of these guys even for ODIs, T20s. Despite tat India won. I will live with that. Well done India. Now, off to England and win there !! You have to win there ! That would be a truer test.

  • praghunathan on July 12, 2011, 15:30 GMT

    My...so many experts telling Dhoni should have gone for the kill. What opportunity was lost? To win the series? Weren't India already up 1-0?

    Sammy was all smiles when it rained on the last hour of the 2nd test. Now he was surprised by Dhoni's decision to call it off?

    Before we criticize Dhoni, maybe we need to playing 5 tests instead of 3. That would change the dynamics of tests. From the 70s thru 80s, when India played WI, they always played a 5 test series.

  • kasyapm on July 12, 2011, 15:29 GMT

    The series was more of WI punching above their weight than India under-performing. Still India won 1-0 and the result could have been 2-0 or 3-0 if not for the rain.

  • ajitw on July 12, 2011, 15:29 GMT

    Shocking... the way India just gave up. Its not as if we were 7 or 8 down!! And to top it all our captain says that he was not disapponted. Why could he not have promoted himself up the batting order as he has done quite a few times in the past??? Agreed we did not mant hitters in the team like Yusuf Pathan or Yuvraj but Dhoni could have come in. Thorough let down...

  • Aussasinator on July 12, 2011, 15:26 GMT

    This cannot be treated as a significant victory for India, even a depleted Indian team. A lot of emphasis was lost, especially in the last test. In my opinion, sending Dravid at No. 3 in a run chase was the biggest error, as a result of which the chase never got going. Suresh Raina should have come, followed by Laxman. This was followed by Dhoni in a test against Australia when Cheteshwar Pujara was sent ahead of Dravid in the 4th innings and Pujara sparkled with an 80 or so, which inched India to victory. Dravid's style is not suitable for run chases. He has a way of drastically downing the scoring rate irrespective of the situation. With due respects to his contributions otherwise, he should be kept for match saving situations rather than match winning ones. I have no hesitation in saying Dravid lost India this match by not just playing slow but by affecting the style of others.

  • ashwini1987 on July 12, 2011, 15:22 GMT

    Well...one should also consider the fact that India's batting line up did not have Tendulkar, Gambhir, Sehwag and Yuvraj, people who could change the game upside down (It would have been a different story in the third test if Sehwag had been there). Moreover, the bowling attack did not include Zaheer. It was basically a series to test out the bench strength and some of the players stood up like Raina, Ishant, Praveen and even Mukund and Mishra to an extent. Since West Indies had a weak batting line up, this series was more of a trial series for the youngsters (considering the fact that everyone knew who the winner would be at the beginning of the series). I surely applaud West Indies on how the played and improved with each match.

  • on July 12, 2011, 14:57 GMT

    The rain saved India in the 2nd and 3rd tests. Judging by how Indi bowled WI would have won in Barbados with Fidel Edwards still to bat.

    WI were on the verge of taking the last seven wickets of this (second rate) team. (your words not mine)when Dhoni realizing the plot and chickened out.

    And this WI team was without Gayle, Dwane Bravo, Taylor, Roach and Benn regular test team players. This was WI second eleven team.

  • on July 12, 2011, 14:49 GMT

    Post martem of the series is very easy but the situations made the team management to play for an draw is very much correct.,Had the team decided to go for a win and failed, the same reporters comments otherwise. Many sporting declarations in the past deliberated debated and the captains were thrown out of the teams. Experienced campaigners Dravid and Lakshman were not able have consistency in batting and the pitch condition so stale not helping the bowlers who could have restricted west indies II innings total would have made difference in the result.Take things as it comes and don't be too ambitous and if you fall , you will not able to get up.

  • on July 12, 2011, 14:49 GMT

    third class performance and even worse decision by indian team...

  • dtnair on July 12, 2011, 14:48 GMT

    more nonsense from "cricket experts" India did the right thing in shutting shop. all these cricket experts do not seem to realize how well the WI team was playing and that if no time was lost to rain india would have won easily. India is not like the Aussie juggernaut of 1999-2005, more like the Allan Border led team of the late 80s. And to have won a series outside the subcontinent without four of their frontline players that is a remarkable achievement!

  • bhaloniaz on July 12, 2011, 14:44 GMT

    "Bangladesh played against second string WI else result would have been exactly reverse". India is playing almost the same side though. To me, Roach is the best WI bowler [statistically at least]. When BD was here, WI side was new. They did not believe in themselves. BD took the advantage. Kudos to them. If WI believe in themselves they can do much better. Also WI is a tough match up for India. Because Roach and Edwards are not the type of the bowlers indian debutants want to face.

  • on July 12, 2011, 14:37 GMT

    What Sammy said was correct. India should have batted through without any doubt. Dhoni should have promoted himself or Kohli up the order after Raina's dismissal and should have tried to play for win. Who knows it would have been may be 45 runs from 5 overs which is definitely gettable. But what to do, people are used to say some lame excuses and finish off things without putting in effort.

  • on July 12, 2011, 14:36 GMT

    India won series but he lost his 2 rating point in test ranking , and wi got the point , so finally we can say WI won while defeat

  • MANEESHROY on July 12, 2011, 14:35 GMT

    INDIANS WERE PLAYING AGAINST NOVICES OF WEST INDIES. THEY COULD HAVE EASILY WON MORE MATCHES IF THEY HAD FOLLOWED STRATEGY OF SCORING FAST RUNS, RATHER THAN SPENDING TIME ON GROUND.

  • on July 12, 2011, 14:33 GMT

    You must be joking to think that India could have achieved 85 off 15 overs when it only scored 92 off the first 32 overs. With Dravid playing so slow as usual and scoring at strike rate of 38....I never thought India could win this. However, it should have been played out...don't support Dhoni's decision.

  • on July 12, 2011, 14:18 GMT

    The only thing remarkable about the Series was the Umpiring Decisions which time and again got the better of Players like Virat Kohli and MS Dhoni.... and to some extent the better of some West Indian batsmen too.....talking about 3rd Test match the powers be did not send in Harbhajan Singh instead of Raina showed that they had no intention of going for the Run Chase....

  • on July 12, 2011, 14:12 GMT

    Think logically fans not emotionally. If not for weather the 2nd and 3rd test would easily have gone in Indian B teams favor. That's reason enough to be happy. No sense in gambling with 1-0 lead to achieve 2-0 and risking 1-1. The batters have played enough to judge the pitch and take the wise decision compared to many fans here whose only view of pitch was TV. Take out your T20/ODI glasses off and come to terms with fact that run a ball scoring in tests is difficult since there is not bowler restriction on how wide it can be bowled and no fielder restriction. WI would simple have bowled a leg side line with 7-8 fielder packed on leg if India came close to reaching target. On that line and field even scoring 2 runs an over is difficult and chances of wickets tumbling are higher. Then the same critic fans would have said "What was need for Dhoni to go after target when 1-0 lead in series was there?Why the need for over aggression etc etc etc?. Dhoni did not play for gallery but for 1-0

  • hdave1176 on July 12, 2011, 14:05 GMT

    I think it was a good decision. Being No.1 doesn't mean you have o be aggressive all the time. It's more about being strategic. I am sure if it would have been full strength team (Shewag, SRT, Yuvi, Zaheer) it would be different ball game. Also sending Raina up meant that atleast they tried and had that mindset. Losing the opener on the first ball didn't helped either. I am sure if the first 2 tests were draw and we won the last one, people would have different feedback.

    Winning ODI and the Test series overseas strengthens the domination as world champions and India will win both the series in England. People tend to forget when even winning one series overseas used to a dream for full strength Indian team.

  • on July 12, 2011, 13:54 GMT

    For me India is 3-0 winner. The 2nd test could not be won because of rain and even in the 3rd, over a day's play was lost overall. Had it been a full game, India would have surely won.

  • SnowSnake on July 12, 2011, 13:49 GMT

    I have to come out and support India in its decision for 3rd test. India was 3 down and if it had lost 2 wickets then it would have been in trouble. Chasing 87 in 15 overs requires significant risk especially with 7 wickets in hand and batsmen (Dravid and VVS) who rarely play ODIs for India. With Dhoni and Bhajji to follow, it would have been stupid decision to win 3rd test when series result was at stake. People criticizing India are assuming that India could have won and ignore that India could have lost the test trying to chase. Had India lost in the chase, it would have been a disaster. They were up against some of the best bowling in the world and that too on 5th day. There is no reason to second guess India's decision to draw 3rd test. They have bigger challange that lies ahead of them

  • Hindh on July 12, 2011, 13:38 GMT

    India have stamped their authority on the tour by WINNING T20, ODI series and Test series with a second string team. IF that is not the stuff of champions than there wont be anything. Many indian fans are more than satisfied with the tour result of all series won......

  • henchart on July 12, 2011, 13:33 GMT

    The strength of the pack is the wolf and the strength of the wolf is the pack.Point is,matches are won with bowlers cleaning batsmen and batsmen getting runs.Each ,ineffective ,without the other.Nobody is talking about inept bowling which allowed WI tailenders inthe company of obdurate Chanderpaul to defy for so long.As for India v/s Eng series, neither of the side will go for the kill.It should be a drawn series considering the venues of Lord's,Notts,Edgbaston and Oval.No Leeds or Manchester for bowlers to dominate.

  • likeintcricket on July 12, 2011, 13:33 GMT

    That #1 Ranking or status Australia had in the past and WI in the eighties is impossible to achieve. Australia and WI were far ahead of the second best as they had top class rosters and the bench strength was very strong too. India is a great batting side but still their main strength are Sachin, Dravid and Laxman. Bowling strength is normal. All the current top 5 are nearly equal and they can beat each other other anytime.

  • SmoothJazz on July 12, 2011, 13:31 GMT

    To state the obvious, cricket is a team sport -- where long-term success is determined by discipline and courage -- both traits the windies showed in spades.

    As an Indian and a cricket fan, it was heartning to see the Windies show so much fight and do well. Under Sammy, one hopes that they will return to be a formidable team even if individual brilliance of the Gayle type may be missing.

    Gayle and Co need to realize cricket is bigger than one person and they need to consistently show up and not only come up with strong individual performances but also show heart and lift the entire team the way Sammy has.

    While its disappointing that the Indian team did not press harder for a win -- its clear that the loss of wickets and the pitch made it difficult to press ahead. We can only hope this tour was a good learning experience for the younger members of the team as its clear how difficult it will be to replace Tendulkar, Dravid and Laxman as and when they retire.

  • on July 12, 2011, 13:21 GMT

    I am talking only w.r.t test cricket.8,9,10,11batsmen are the really pinhitter. Do not underestimste them.They can change the game.Let's not forget Gillispie(Aus) who scored a double century as a night watchman & remained N.O 201. This is in context to the partnership btn. Chanderpaul & F.Edwards for the 9th wkt.Former needed 13 runs to score 100 when later walked in. Ind lost the match @ that point. Ind has put a brave fight. The series started and ended with two vital dropped catches. If Sammy had caught Rahul Dravid in the first Test who knows what might have happened there? If Dravid had caught Chanderpaul in the final Test what could have been the result? Veera these are only ifs & Buts.Be practicle.It happens in the game of cricket.Put past back to past.Create a new future & see what can be done to the game of cricket.Let us think about the future series with Eng & later Aus. Question is when Dravid,Tendulkar,Laxman, Zak retires will Ind retain World No.1? Keshav 8722004477

  • CricketFreud on July 12, 2011, 13:09 GMT

    u want a depleted indian side to stamp dominance on rain affected matches... ?? pls.. we can only be so much good.. lets not get overboard....

  • micronizer on July 12, 2011, 13:01 GMT

    I do not know who were the tour selectors but persisting with Murali after his abject failure in the first 2 tests at the expense of Badrinath was not fair at all.

  • nadu_1975 on July 12, 2011, 12:58 GMT

    quite right. India failed to do what is expected of No 1 Test team. Next year or may be sooner when Sachin, Rahul & VVS call it a day, the prospect of India doing well against quality stuff will be severely tested. No honours taken away from the WI, but even a Bishop or Benjamin leave alone Ambrose or a Walsh could have made Dhoni and his men look like club boys on foreign pitches. waiting for the time.

  • 5why on July 12, 2011, 12:58 GMT

    Has India forgotten the route that they took to reach the top ? India had shed all kinds of inhibitions and learnt to be always positive and aggressive on the field, whether batting or fielding.Now Dhoni seems to have given up on this approach and has adopted a safety first posture in a test match with a depleted West Indies side. Can you imagine the fate of that famous Test match in Eden Gardens, if India were not positive and aggressive after following on Australia ?

    Why, oh why, MSD is forgetting what Ganguly brought to Team India - the virtue of remaining positive and aggressive, no matter what is the state of the game. Not to go for 86 runs in 90 balls has been a BIG MISTAKE. Let MSD publicly acknowledge this mistake. We all make mistakes.

  • kiddsilver on July 12, 2011, 12:54 GMT

    Most people tend to forget that if there was no rain in the second or third test the score line would be 3-0 and this chatter would be pointless

  • CricIsCrazy on July 12, 2011, 12:53 GMT

    This what too much cricket will do. The attitude is, so what we win this test and what do we get? It is not like a million dollars is up for grabs. After this, we have to go and play in England. So lets take it easy!

  • Venki_indian on July 12, 2011, 12:53 GMT

    @Vatto i agree completely with you..but they should have played atleast 5 to 10 overs more before going for draw..

  • ashankar on July 12, 2011, 12:47 GMT

    Guys, Sammy has got a reason to hide behind Period. We started with the second string team being sent and the series is a waste. Then we said India coped up well with the Youngsters. Now, we are saying it is no Champion side. ANY SIDE THAT COULD WIN A SERIES AWAY (esp, in WI) WITH A SECOND STRING TEAM AS THE SAME FANS ROARED, Is a CHAMPION SIDE. NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

  • on July 12, 2011, 12:45 GMT

    well why are we all forgetting here that had it not been for RAIN GODS, India would have won the series 3-0

  • HSAF on July 12, 2011, 12:38 GMT

    WI is not a great team in the world now and also there was no Gayle, Bravo etc.

    nilesh_vaishnav & rameshpoplay: Its about spirit and character and not about winning it. India had the chance of winning or they can draw it at close (if weren't possible). It was hard, run-rate is heavy are facts but the question is why didn't we even tried it? Please don't compare the previous grounds with this as they were completely different - Barbados swing was there till the end but this one is flat thats why even Vijay has scored around 40 odd runs. The point is Dhoni want to be a winner of the series record on to his name instead of trying a record for nation which won't know will be possible in future. Like they say, "Kaikku yettunadhu Vaikku yettala" (means - had food for eating but haven't ready to eat it)

  • on July 12, 2011, 12:25 GMT

    The lack of intent on the part of the Indian captain was visible in the second innings of the final Test. A reshuffling of the battle order was called for if the total of 180 was to be chased down. If the Indians lost a few quick wickets, the senior pros in Dravid and Laxman could have closed shutters and played for a draw. Yes, batting was difficult , yes, it was not the full Indian side, but these are just excuses. There was no intention of trying to do something to prove that this was the No.1 side in the world. Ruthlessness was lacking, the Indians are no Australians, there a just better South Africans when it comes to Test cricket. Was Sri Lanka's abject collapse in the recent series playing on Dhoni's mind?

  • bumsonseats on July 12, 2011, 12:24 GMT

    from the start of indian 2nd innings, they never had any thought of going for the win. the captain could have opened or the off spinner give it a go for the lose of say 3 wickets. then given the score if they were frightened (and they were) they had players dravid and laxman who could have shut up shop and played out the draw. scarred wittless to go for a win. dpk

  • g.narsimha on July 12, 2011, 12:20 GMT

    Abdul Ansari Since not long back the England team was thrashed by IRELAND AD B.DESH,Your talking very high of ENG.They are lucky to win one test against Srilanka and strugled to beat them inODIs.INDIA has done marvelously inthe last fews outings there,DONTLOSSyour sleep this time also INDIAwill dominate the siriesas the present india teamis is very well balanced in all departments.

  • green_jelly on July 12, 2011, 12:20 GMT

    The reason India are world champions is that they can rest their main players, and win an away series with a second string team. And they did it convincingly, WI had no chance in any of the games. If it was not for the rain, the scoreline would've been 3-0. Give them some credit!!

  • anurag4u10 on July 12, 2011, 12:18 GMT

    two contrasting decns by dhoni first his bold declaration in d second test when at one point it seemed wi has also decent chances jz b4 two quick wks fall fllwd by rainfall. in contrast to that on d last day of d tour he out of nowhere agreed on draw in a situation where it was unlikely that ind wud hav lost. how many times will aus or rsa or 4 dat mattr even sl , pak, eng or nz will do dat. even bang or zim will tk d chance to go for target in d situation where d risk of loss was as low as prbiblty of kambli playin cricket again. i must say that being no.1 and being pessimistic dont gel together. either remove the latter or d former will be removed later.. a very thorough analysis will reveal dat d crucial partnership btwn raina nd bhajji on d first day of first test had a lot weight in d award ceremony on d last day of d last test.

  • on July 12, 2011, 12:18 GMT

    Seeing this i guess, in becoming the no.1 team in d world, all players played an important role.....but major role is been played by none other viru....india would have definitely won d match if he would have been thr........remember his double hundred in srilanka whr india lost 2-1 when ajanta mendis was on top of his game.....the win over england are few to name...........!!!!!.....no other batsmen currently puts so much impact on d result of d game .......i guess..........!!!

  • on July 12, 2011, 12:14 GMT

    Who ever blaming india,are not following test cricket and it standard i think. 3.0 was on th ecards but rain helped west indies..! I have one blame on Dhoni,He sould have bat first in th Third test...!

  • subzero_v on July 12, 2011, 12:02 GMT

    why do people forget that this is a second string indian team. No Viru, gambhir, Sachin, Yuvi, Zaheer ! What went to WI is not a champion or world number 1 team. So they did great job winning all 3 formats. Be happy with it, and look forward to Eng series where frontline batsmen return.

  • ranpath on July 12, 2011, 11:58 GMT

    But wait a minute... India was one up . It was not as if they needed to chase down the score on that last day to win and level the series. Yes Wi fought to some extent, but all they prevented was losing the series 2 nil or possibly 3 nil. In the end India took the series and the once unbeatable WI, especially at home, continue to lose.

  • Superfines11 on July 12, 2011, 11:51 GMT

    India has to play and think like world champion. Does Australia or south Africa do what India did? With 7 wickets in hand a world champion & No 1 team is unable to chase 85 odd runs in 90 odd balls.Even Kenya would fancy their chance at that position. It would have been great if they waited for another 5 overs at least before giving up. And what is the statement Fletcher gave "It is difficult to score". Mr Fletcher its time you wear spectacles...It was a batting paradise no swing, no extravagant spin and tired bowlers. Please don't ruin Indian cricket with your unscrupulous analysis. I pray to god that the same situation come to England and see the response....Mr Dhoni the only black mark you will have in your cricketing career is this dodgy decision. Hope you do what you are known for Aggression.

  • nnvv on July 12, 2011, 11:43 GMT

    While all criticize msd for last test, they forget the second test where WI had to chase at a rate of 3.5 rpo. The conditions in the WI haven't been good for batting rapidly. Most of the fast scoring was done against the 4th or thr 5th bowlers bowling too many 'hit-me' deliveries... Also, once raina was gone, so were india's chances of winning it. Just imagine, 86 to get, laxman goes trying to score quickly and a good delivery consumes dravid... ~70 to get with only five wickets in hand, that too when kohli is a walking wicket...

  • Cricketloverfan on July 12, 2011, 11:42 GMT

    A GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT INDEED A GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT INDEED A GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT INDEED I just do not get it...all the people who are supporting the decision to call off the play, let me ask one question !!! DO YOU REALLY LOVE THE GAME CALLED "CRICKET" ? or do you just care for the ranks ? A very sad day in test cricket, a decision that will see the end of test cricketing era in the future ...I have been a great lover of cricket and am not at all comfortable seeing one man ruining a perfectly poised test match. If the people say "they know much better than us" the answer is yes they know, but why the hell are they getting all the fame and billions of rupees if they do not fight and give the fans the worth for their money ? I now feel like a STUPID CRICKET FAN pouring my money to watch some useless game. The end of test cricket is very near and captains like these should be banned to save the spirit of cricket.

  • rameshpoplay on July 12, 2011, 11:38 GMT

    Most of those who criticise Indian approach on the last day, perhaps did not even watch the match live. Bishoo was bowling out of the rough. The pitch had become two-paced. The field was spread out. There were no field restrictions like in ODIs. Also unlike ODIs, WI's best bowlers were bowling most of the overs as there is no restriction on number of overs in test matches.

    Chandrapaul and Edwards oput on 64 in (can you imagine) 37 overs. This is where India lost the plot. As per my calculations if the WI innings would have lasted 8 overs less, India could have won. 180 in 47 overs would have been 165 runs in 55 overs, which would have been gettable based on the run-rate at which they scored in the 2nd innings.

    For me India is 3-0 winner. The 2nd test could not be won because of rain and even in the 3rd, over a day's play was lost overall. Had it been a full game, India would have surely won.

  • JamIndian876 on July 12, 2011, 11:30 GMT

    I really don't understand what's the big fuss about!! Had it not be for the weather, India would have won this series 3-0.... why don't people understand that!!!

  • Sheela on July 12, 2011, 11:18 GMT

    India should have declared its first innings much earlier when only six wickets were down and thereby giving more time for their bowlers to have a go at the WI batsmen ion their second innings. It is always the time factor in Tests which puts pressure on the bastmen. More 40 runs or so extra lead, consuming a number of overs is not the right approach.

  • on July 12, 2011, 11:11 GMT

    Whats Wrong with you people.... 1-0 / 2-0 series win... No need to risk your self specially its not necessary..

  • cliffhangers11 on July 12, 2011, 11:08 GMT

    India has to paly and think like world champaions. Does Aus or south africa do what India did? With 7 wickets in hand a world champion & No 1 team is unable to chase 85 odd runs in 90 odd balls.Even kenya would fancy thier chance at that position. It would have been great if they waited for another 5 overs atleast before giving up. And what is the statement Fletcher gave "It is difficult to score". Mr Fletcher its time you wear spectacles...It was a batting paradise no swing, no extravagant spin and tired bowlers. Please dont ruin Indian cricket with your unscrupulous analysis. I pray to god that the same situation come to England and see the response....Mr Dhoni the only black mark you will have in your cricketing career is this dodgy decision. Hope you do what you are known for (Aggresive).

  • on July 12, 2011, 11:00 GMT

    @Mobasher Khan Leo, Bangladesh played against second string WI else result would have been exactly reverse. Also please don't forget World Cup match of BD when they were all down for 58 against WI. I and many fans definitely think there was worth to take risk in third match. Second was washed out and still dominated by India. So, I think definitely lost opportunities for people like Kohli, Vijay, Badri etc. But some positives to gain like Ishant, Mishra, Mukund etc.

  • sanjay37b on July 12, 2011, 11:00 GMT

    India should have won the series 2-0.The defensive tactics of coach and captain in the third test have drawn valid critisism all over.The future of test cricket is bleak as there is no time and interest to watch batsmen Dravid and Laxman scoring 125 runs in 350 plus balls. Previously there were 5 tests but the senario has changed and shortly we will see series consisting of 5 T20's, 3 ODI's and one test.India has tough series ahead in England.It has to be all round performance with positive attitude from indians to get over the poms.

  • HSAF on July 12, 2011, 10:49 GMT

    Hi all, As per me, Dhoni is all wrong on the last match, especially final innings, where everyone expected a result or atleast a close draw (I was watching it for the curious en), Not the one which happened. Leave a No.1 team, but as one of the best team in world with min. of 7 batsmen they should have tried for it. Because the match is fully on our hand, we can draw it at any time as the track is not much to the fast bowlers (flat track) and we have handled spin wisely always. So Dhoni should have tried to set a record for the nation.But he just played on the safe playbook.If they complained Barbados bad light and rain for the previous match unachieved victory, the last one is purely on Dhoni.

    He should have tried this- Instead of Laxman, he should have promoted Kohli, himself, Bhajji and even praveen (at the state of their wickets down), so that even when all these guys fell around 5 or 7 overs, Dravid and Laxman would have drawn or won it.

  • JustIPL on July 12, 2011, 10:45 GMT

    Raina and Paraveen are the finds of this series for India. Raina came good with the bowl and bat. Ishant is very capable but was benefitted by the absence of Gayle and others. When Zaheer joins with them in England will be interesting to see. Dhoni realized that he still needs the services of veterans whom he has been trying to replace for so long. He would have pressed for win in the final test but did not want to expose kohli again while draw-vid and laxman were very cautious. Also losing 6-7 wickets for 120 runs would have been bad carry over to the England. Harbhajan was good but had to wait for hours to get 400th also Raina had to share his responsibility in the final innings by taking two wickets. Abhinav was weak against short balls therefore opening spot is under consideration. Also, those who will join directly in England will take some time to get into grooves and England should take the advantage of that. English should also learn from WI to play Harbhajan.

  • on July 12, 2011, 10:44 GMT

    no 1 has accounted for the overs lost because of the rain in both 2nd and 3rd test match. India would had taken all west indians wickets in 2nd innings of 2nd test and also would had chase down 180 in 2nd innings of 3rd test with time 2 spare. so its nt the indian teams inefficieny but westindian weather which became west indies cricket teams saviour in both the tests. it was an easy 3-0 win for india if it wasnt for the frequent rain and loss of a substantial amount of overs

  • CandidIndian on July 12, 2011, 10:44 GMT

    Abdul Ansari- Since you are being cocky here, i should remind you that only Roach and Sammy were the member of that WI team which Bangladesh defeated, so it was a C or D side of WI.Coming to India, Bangladesh got whitewashed 2-0 in Bangladesh by India in last test series, They were blown away by India in Asia cup and recent world cup .Bangladesh has never beaten any good test side ,they have only beaten 4th string team of WI.Bangladesh never came close to beating any good team in tests, that is India, Eng,SA,Aus or SL.This is the reality of your team.About England tour, we have won our last series in England ,so we can do it again.Achieve a test victory first against a good side before throwing stones at others.I dont have anything against Bangladesh side,they have talent and eventually will become better,but learn to respect others if you want to get respect.

  • likeintcricket on July 12, 2011, 10:27 GMT

    Dhoni did the right thing. They were ahead in the series and they didn't take the risk. Winning is all that matters. WI fought hard in the two series but they lost everything except the one Test against Pakistan which they won after like ten drop catches by Pak fielders. Though WI can say they missed Gayle but on the other hand India was playing with a second string batting lineup and Pakistan with the second string bowling line up and without their two main batsman. Couple of youngsters did show some hope from each side but than Test cricket is not about one series. Simmons was very impressive against Pakistan but failed against India. Bravo did show some class but not close to Lara's class and he didn't score a century. WI cricket used to be about Fast bowling, Attacking and dominance which was clearly missing. They missed the chance to improve their rating and failed the opportunity to perform against second string sides. Overall the the golden oldies did the trick for each sides.

  • on July 12, 2011, 10:20 GMT

    like this india have never stamped authourity since they were no 1 but they still are its 1.5 years and they never stamped authourity over wc still won so critics will always cricticize but we are the best

  • SudharsanVM on July 12, 2011, 10:18 GMT

    Indian bowlers lack killer punch. India were unable to bowl out SL in colombo last year when they were 120 odd for 8 down. mendis scored 70+. It was left on final day chasing 250+. Luckily India won it. But the bowlers lack killer punch. In SA this year, they let boucher steyn with kallis to score. Bowlers lack the killer punch again and India lost a chance of winning a match. Here India were unable to get Edwards out and again lost a chance to Win the match. This has become a continous problem for India and they lack a attacking bowler(may be a spinner like kumble)

    This is the difference that makes a great champion side and a average number 1 side.

  • Pankaj_INDIA on July 12, 2011, 10:12 GMT

    @Vatto: wish people have wise thinking like you, instead of criticising india blindly just for the heck of it, very well wriitten bro :).

  • concerned_cricketer on July 12, 2011, 10:07 GMT

    Securing the series win is the most important thing. All this romanticism and grandoise notions of the No 1 ranked team chasing down a total with an ODI runrate with their saviour (Sehwag fits the bill best) dressed in whites arriving on a white stallion is good theme for a bollywood movie but not stuff that Dhoni and co should attempt at any cost.

  • on July 12, 2011, 10:03 GMT

    England did it when it got the chance, http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63901.html

  • on July 12, 2011, 9:53 GMT

    There was not much of an opportunity when rain disturbed two days in the final test and nearly 3 days lost in the 2nd test. But India still was very close to wining those matches. Drop catch my Sammy(sitter) or Dravid (hard one) was not the only thing that changed the game. Please start to learn giving credit to the corresponding batsman who batted with PURE CLASS which is very very rare with so called latest generation. Mr Verma just reflects the feeling of all the normal fan, not like a journalist. Well done India, you have won an another series abroad.

  • on July 12, 2011, 9:47 GMT

    @Abdulhaqhaqmal ishant is not a new comer dude he has already picked more than 100 test wickets!

  • Rajeevkr on July 12, 2011, 9:45 GMT

    The discussions are @India playing West Indies...But its actually Indian D team Vs West Indies A team.... We didn't have Sachin, Sehwag, Gambhir, Yuvraj, Zaheer, Sreeshant...who were all rested/injured.... But for West Indies except for Gayle, all others were dropped for their non performance in world cup and the one day series followed...

  • CRIACE on July 12, 2011, 9:35 GMT

    Indian team required the agrassiveness and boldness of ganguly to win test like this . how u called as a no. 1 team if u dont able to score even 180 runs from 47 overs. might the dhoni is afraid of not even can play last 15 overs with 7 batsman dhoni always luck never favour u play hard cricket with ENGLAND and AUSTRALIA otherwise u loose .

  • on July 12, 2011, 9:24 GMT

    lOOSER TEAM INDIA-BD BANGLAWASHED WI BOTH IN 3ODIS & 2TESTS

  • Vatto on July 12, 2011, 9:24 GMT

    @ All nuggets who criticize india should go to hell. I don't think this is an opportunity lost or any crap. If at all there is an opportunity lost it would have to be with the weather gods. They spoiled 2 Tests to make it 3-0. All critics please try and get selected in any of the league, school or college teams.Only then you'll know how difficult it is to climb up to play for your country. I've done that and couldn't go beyond 4th division in my state. And to represent your country whilst being #1 in the Tests is a Himalayan feat and pressure in itself. Being in such a situation Dhoni cannot gamble. It was not possible to win as the pitch was turning and windies have bowled a negative length to get the run rate to 6 RPO. So just keep your passion apart and think that the team had achieved what they wanted to. In any ways Dhoni didnt tell that he wanted to be the #1 side in Test cricket. He told we wanted to win the series and rankings would take care of itself. So guys... Relax

  • Criccrazy.com on July 12, 2011, 9:23 GMT

    @subbass just wait and watch..........

  • on July 12, 2011, 9:23 GMT

    people talk.................................

  • on July 12, 2011, 9:11 GMT

    @Arnab Banerjee Please don't compare Bangladesh to this WI team. Bangladesh is much superior than this WI team. Didn't you follow Bangladesh tour of WI couple of years back... Rack turners???? my foot! In that case Australia just defeated Bangladesh with their new side. Any ways what did India do when they had full strength side on last 3 tours?

  • on July 12, 2011, 9:10 GMT

    Those who say now that India lost an opportunity to win the series 2-0 will say India squandered the chance to win the series if Dhony & his men opted to bat on and got all out. Why can't these armchair critics realise that the team on the field know better than these **** fellows who are bent on destructive criticism?

  • on July 12, 2011, 8:56 GMT

    interesting......Take a look in wisden next year. This was not India A, or a second team. This was the team you chose to put out to represent India. It probably represents your future. If a country of some 900 million cant find replacements for a couple of superstars, you should be having a long hard look at your development structure and the IPL influence. Looking forward to the England games, should tell us a lot about were both teams realy are. And hope we play on decent wickets that help the bowlers of both sides a little, instead of 650+ batsmens paradises. But im not holding my breath as the administrators will probably want pitches that last 6 days so as to fill all the seats and rake in the cash, bugger the cricket. I dont think India are as good as there fans make out. And I cant understand how the Indian fans call England arrogant for stating they wish to be number 1. Surely all teams should be aiming for that. Tests in England should be played in English conditions.

  • Aristocratt on July 12, 2011, 8:54 GMT

    I think Duncan Fletcher will do to this Indian team what the East India Company did to the people of this country. He will fatten his own kitty, but by the time he is gone he would have depleted the Indian cricket team's collective guts, resolve and winning ways. A coach who is too busy defending Otis Gibson, too busy promoting West Indian cricket, and very comfortable evading the real issue ----- the lack of guts displayed by his team on day five at Dominica ----- has something missing inside him. Sure he may be the best we have right now, but post Gary Kirsten, this man Duncan feels a bit like uncovered, badly iced, roadside sugarcane juice after a glass of exquisite, red Bordeaux wine. Fletch was so "impressed with the WI team, the way they put things together, the way they warmed up…" Come on, Duncan, wake up. You are the coach of Team India. If this is what he's saying about the WI, what will he be saying about England in England?

  • CSreekumar on July 12, 2011, 8:37 GMT

    India scored 347against WI bowling attack; below a first class level, Rampaul was not bowled, Tired Edwards and Sami and Bowled more than 30 overs in one day by Bishoo. And chanders who didnt bowled for past 3 years??? And most of the batsmen were scored more than 30. This match would have been won IF they scored another 50-100.

  • on July 12, 2011, 8:35 GMT

    @kantipur.......india didnt forced west indians to fight with c grade team.....it is not about grade...its only about winning games and getting success who ever is against in any situation.........dont think about future and jst kmow ehat is in present .........

  • ste13 on July 12, 2011, 8:28 GMT

    I think Mukund out first ball was the key moment to take safe mode. I still think they should have tried harder - there was not as much risk as Fletcher said. But it is evident that without weather interruptions, it would have been 3-0, despite much improved performnce from WI.

  • CSreekumar on July 12, 2011, 8:20 GMT

    I wont mind if we try to win and lose. Classic example is Australia in Kolkata 2002. I congratulate Steve WOUGH for his brave decision to attack, even though I am proud of the Indian win. That is the confidence of a No1 Test team.

  • Sidhartha_Cricket on July 12, 2011, 8:18 GMT

    Can ICC investigate if some bookies were behind the decision of calling out draw? At least Dhoni could have sent Harbhajan to hit out 3-4 sixes. If he would have been out still it could be draw. But if he would have scored 30 runs in 4-5 overs, it would have been different equation.

  • kaidranzer on July 12, 2011, 8:14 GMT

    All the people saying it was because of weather that India did not get a 2-0 or 3-0 result, think again. West Indies needed 79 with 3 wickets remaining in the 2nd Test and looking at the inabililty of the Indian bowlers to finish off the tail, it is very probable that the Windies would have levelled the series 1-1 at that point. And looking at how insecure India is about its No.1 ranking they would have chickened out of the chase in the last Test and thus making the series 1-1. Weather is a part of the game, blaming the weather for not winning does not put you in very good light.

  • Garigipati on July 12, 2011, 8:06 GMT

    I agree. India showed lack of pluck, lack of fighting spirit, and above all lack of the will to win - the much talked of 'killer instinct'. And I believe this is the difference between this 'No 1' Test team and other teams who have occupied this position. One cannot help but compare this with Australia when they were World No 1. I believe I can safely say that in similar circumstances Australia would have won the series 3-0. But this India team seems too worried about its position and so shies away from taking any risks. A real pity.

  • on July 12, 2011, 8:04 GMT

    You can surely say that this team can not be called Number one Test team for sure... It baffles my mind how can such strong batting line up ( 7 Batsman) can not even score 4 run per over ( for 45 overs) to win the series 2-0. Strange thing is how can Dhoni call for Draw when almost 15 overs are there and we have to score less than 6 run per over with 7 wickets in hand.. I will say Dhoni is pure lucky captain. His inability to rotate the bowlers and giving almost 20 overs to raina baffles me... I still agree that Australia is best Team... Sorry India..... Buck up and show the world by taking bold decision and playing some hard cricket... Dont go after money ( as in case of IPL) go for Nation Honour

  • Abdulhaqhaqmal on July 12, 2011, 7:49 GMT

    From a neutral perspective, i would like to say that both teams had a brilliant fight. India examined two new comers Ishant Sharma and Praveen Kumar in this series and was more successful than what they expected. Ishant played a competitive role of Zaheer Khan and Praveen played outstanding swings which is good for india. West indies missed Gayle, Russel, Taylor and Roach, but successfully defended their all test innings. west indies Kirk Edwards and Chanderpaul played with passion and patience and that is a very good sportsmanship.

  • on July 12, 2011, 7:40 GMT

    You can surely say that this team can not be called Number one Test team for sure... It baffles my mind how can such strong batting line up ( 7 Batsman) can not even score 4 run per over ( for 45 overs) to win the series 2-0. Strange thing is how can Dhoni call for Draw when almost 15 overs are there and we have to score less than 6 run per over with 7 wickets in hand.. I will say Dhoni is pure lucky captain. His inability to rotate the bowlers and giving almost 20 overs to raina baffles me... I still agree that Australia is best Team... Sorry India..... Buck up and show the world by taking bold decision and playing some hard cricket... Dont go after money ( as in case of IPL) go for Nation Honour

  • on July 12, 2011, 7:29 GMT

    I think this series shows just how under pressure the number 1 spot is for India. They have an aged line-up and even with the IPL they have no youngsters who are capable of taking the current team's place. They are going to struggle in the 5-10 years to come.

  • loung_singh on July 12, 2011, 7:23 GMT

    india did d right thing by abandoning d chase..there were only 2 batsmen left in dravid n laxman...kohli was struggling and 2 chase in d presence of tailenders like dhoni, bhajji, munaf ,ishant and praveen wud ve been a risk..gud decision not 2 chase...

  • samya1980 on July 12, 2011, 7:22 GMT

    good to see all the positive feedbacks from you guys...certainly under todays circumstances not chasing 86 off 90 is a crime with or without sehwag, but we have to realize that this indian team (even a full strength) is not as strong as 70s-80s wi or 90s aus...strength of a strong team not only depends on its batsmen but bowlers also share equal credit if not more.we are way behind comparing to strongest wi or aus team, this team is no1, but certainly not all time great,thus a 1-0 win is also appreciateablegood to see all the positive feedbacks from you guys...certainly under todays circumstances not chasing 86 off 90 is a crime with or without sehwag, but we have to realize that this indian team (even a full strength) is not as strong as 70s-80s wi or 90s aus...strength of a strong team not only depends on its batsmen but bowlers also share equal credit if not more.we are way behind comparing to strongest wi or aus team, this team is no1, but certainly not all time great,thus a 1-0 wi

  • indianzen on July 12, 2011, 7:19 GMT

    Yes, we missed the stamp of the No1 side, but as long as we keep winning the series, i am ok with it like Dhoni... Its going to be verrrrry interesting tour of Tests with england... Anderson Vs Gambhir, Bajji Vs trott... already started dreaming...

  • on July 12, 2011, 6:58 GMT

    I think the Indian team on tour to west indies is a fair reflection of the mindset prevailing in India.We are no. 1 team in world but deep down we are way too insecure about it-as if we dont believe that we deserve this status.Not chasing down the target in Domonica and happy to be sitting on the 1-0 lead is a pointer to that.Without going into specifics, suffice it to say that stiffer targets have been achieved by lesser teams against better opponents.One thing that strikes me is this team barring Dravid and Laxman- who else- is not willing to grind it out in the middle when the going gets tough. they are just happy to flash their bats out of trouble. For god's sake, in this age of 20-20s when u r expected to convert 1s into 2s and 2s into 3s and run like hell, the world champions decided not to chase down the target thinking it to be too risky. Irony.....irony! May be they have become too rich to be shedding sweat for such small thing as a test victory abroad.

  • on July 12, 2011, 6:56 GMT

    Sadly no one is even talking about the rains

  • on July 12, 2011, 6:53 GMT

    it was a right decision by dhoni not to chase down targets in less then 90 balls, he might have raina to lead the charge which was not and also his form was little questionable. overall its a series win good thing ahead of tough english tour.

  • kantipur on July 12, 2011, 6:49 GMT

    If India were playing their B team then Westindies were playign with their C team without Gayle, Bravo, Roach, Taylor (and russell) thanks to the WICB.

    And by the way in a years time the real indian team will be the B team when sachin , rahul and Laxman retires in not to distant future.

  • Muyeen on July 12, 2011, 6:45 GMT

    everyone who is defending India's approach is talking about two things..5th day pitch and missing big 4 players. Well to answer the 1st one, it was not a 5th day pitch coz remember we lost two days in rain but if u say the pitch was still bad one, what is your answer India not being able dismiss Edwards on the "4th day pitch" . and as far as missing players is concerned, even WI was without Gayle, Roach, Bravo and Taylor who would have been handful in this series. if they had better captain than Sammy they would have picked Roach for sure. India scored only 343 with 2 and half WI bowlers. We are criticizing only our batting for not going for chase.. match was drawn bcoz we werent able to dismiss Edwards. I just hope with bigger challenge against England.. India will be better prepared and more interested in the series.

  • on July 12, 2011, 6:44 GMT

    Johnathon- see what is happening to the Aussies now! Rest assured, England will face similar problems. Despite everything, I would love to see England minus Bell, Strauss, Peterson and Anderson/Broad/Swann in a series against Bangladesh on rank turners!! After that, if England manages to win the series 1-0, well done!

  • mravikiran on July 12, 2011, 6:44 GMT

    Champion teams are not expected to make excsues on Toss and Pitches. Even the batting line up was utterly flawed in this innings. I would retain Dravid and Laxman to save the match if required, and would send Dhoni, Kohli and Bhajji to go all out at the bowling.

    90 balls and 86 to win, attack for 30 balls and review again - would have been a vwery good tactic. Indians seemed to be satisfied with 1-0 win and 2-0 win did not attract them.

    Pass marks vs First class.

  • on July 12, 2011, 6:43 GMT

    @johnathonjosephs, totally agree with you. I don't know why people are so obsessed about Sehwag and Sachin. They seems to start crying if the don't play couple of matches (anyway because they are made to play IPL instead). Guys look around the other teams in the world. New Zealand has always played their cricket with had their side injured (Dion Nash, Shane Bond, Cairns, etc) Australia played many series without McGrath and Warne (remember Ksaprowicz and MacGill) Pakistan, you already know every year they have new set of fast bowlers

  • CSreekumar on July 12, 2011, 6:42 GMT

    I wont mind if we try to win and lose. Classic example is Australia in Kolkata 2002. I congratulate Steve WOUGH for his brave decision to attack, even though I am proud of the Indian win. That is the confidence of a No1 Test team.

  • B.C.G on July 12, 2011, 6:34 GMT

    India's so called most promising youngsters flopped big time.India did feel the absense of the other seniors against a mediocre bunch.

  • howizzat on July 12, 2011, 6:28 GMT

    1. If Sammy felt Indians were dragging cold feet, then why did not take it as the oppertunity? He should have refused the draw offer and had gone for the win. He had nothing to lose, but very well could have drawn the series. He himself in good bowling form and had Bishoo as a matchwinner in the squad.2. Critics say, why India refused to score 86 of 90 balls as it could be done in ODI. But have they noticed that WI was bowling negative which would have been called clearly wides in ODI? 3.For a test team sans the core players like Sachin, Sehwag, Gambhir and Zaheer, series win is definitely an excellent achievement. Return of Ishant is a pleasent sight. And now who can say Raina cannot play rising deleveries? It was also nice to see Mukund carried his form from the last India A tour last year to England. He has a great future in tests, unless he goes the Vijay way. 4. So well done India, despite of so many hours were lost to rains.

  • on July 12, 2011, 6:24 GMT

    @Rajit, Congratuations.. Team india has beaten WI team 1-0 in tests. WI team... whose players name you don't even know. WI team... whom Bangladesh also clean swept them in Tests and ODIs. WI team... NO Gayle. @Rajit, now don't cry that your team didn't had Sachin

  • on July 12, 2011, 6:23 GMT

    I never seen any other team been critized or praised more than Indian team. Does the Authors know much about cricket than the players themselves? I understand there was a chance to go for the chase, but only overcoming the negative lines which Sammy & co bowl, setting negative field positions, slow pitch etc. This is not the full strength team to be compared with Aussies. Be happy for the youngsters who learned from this series. I wish the topic will be "Oppurtunity lost for India in hard-fought rain"..

  • on July 12, 2011, 6:18 GMT

    @mrgupta, Yes Aussies would have gone for that target wtihout Ponting/Gilchrist. 6 RPO for 100 overs is absolutly different than 6 RPO in 15 overs. If you have any circketing sense then you will understand. I can give you examples of such matches. These kinds of match situation does not come everyday thats why you guys don't remember other instances.

  • on July 12, 2011, 6:11 GMT

    @BULTY, "to preserve fitness of key players for next tour"... Are you serious? By scoring 180 in 45 overs they would have tired!!! If they were worried about the fitness of the players then they should have not played this series at all. You don't understand the importance of TEST WINs, you can count them on fingers. Truth is that the batsmen didn't want to loose their wickets and risk the chance of next tour. WI had just 2 decent bowlers Fidel and Ravi, and you talk about Walsh and Ambrose (he was not there) in that Mohali test. If you can't play WI player and afraid of loosing 10 wkts in 45 overs, then what you will do in England... against a top class bowling attack?

  • RogerC on July 12, 2011, 5:57 GMT

    Armchair pundits can say anything because they say it AFTER things happen. There was the other guy Samir Chopra who is comparing the chase of Pakistan vs India in 1979. He conveniently forgot how Pakistan had the support of umpires in their home ground in those times. There is no need for India to chase and win in Dominica taking undue risks when they have already got the series in their pocket. Indians should learn to enjoy their series win and no. 1 ranking and not get into nitpicking.

  • tick on July 12, 2011, 5:52 GMT

    actually when people are saying that this is second string side and this 1-0 is enough...well weel this is indian side after 1 year...so be prepared world champs...

  • rustyryan on July 12, 2011, 5:49 GMT

    Ppl forget two things. Weather and the opportunities given to youngsters. I'm happy cos instead of series of 3-0, we found a new swing bowler in terms of Praveen, An impressive back up opener Mukundh, Raina slowly gets into the position of Dada. Most importantly Ishant's leadership astute in terms of bowling dept. I feet these stuffs are far more important than 3-0 series win.

  • on July 12, 2011, 5:46 GMT

    @Jaishankar Tholasingam, 2nd string Indian Team??? who is mising in this Lineup. Sehwag, Gambhir and Zaheer. Sachin is not going to play for you for eternity.. All the so called 2nd string players, Murali Vijay, Virat etc have played millions of first class,ODIs, and IPLs. Remember one thing, hardly any team gets the chance to play with their first choice players. Always 1-2 key players will be missing due to fitness/injury/IPL. And they could not score more than 4 runs per score, because they did not want to loose their wickets and harm there are chances when next squad is selected. I can give you links to number of matches were teams have score more than 5-6 per over to try win in more difficult pitches. And what was there in the pitch on which Fidel edwards batted for 2 hours???

  • sweetspot on July 12, 2011, 5:46 GMT

    So, thousands of Indians know better than the one man who has led India to world champion status? All the critics here know how to read the game better than the guy who is playing out there, leading the world's #1 team? What kind of nonsense is this? Enough with the criticism. Try and get to #1 in your field(s) and see how funny other people's criticism will seem to you then!

  • BULTY on July 12, 2011, 5:43 GMT

    The writer's perception in this article is a little confusing. He seems to have written the article in the light of teams chasing an ODI total. 5th day game in a Test matchand that too 4th innings can be little intriguing. Remember India lost a Test match in Chandigarh on the 5th day losing all 10 wickets to the pair of Walsh & Ambrose bowling at their best. As for the youngsters not doing enough, yes that was a fact; much was expected of Virat, Vijay failed, Badri didn't play at all and there were quite a few other players who were mere passengers on the tour. Now for the important point of dropping the chase; India had won one Test match and their ranking as No.1 was never in doubt with that result. More importantly with another tour in totally different trying conditions & weather, I think India did right in not going for the kill to preserve fitness of key players for next tour. There will be many "If's & but's" which can never be answered. They didn't feel absence of "Big" 4.

  • Humdingers on July 12, 2011, 5:41 GMT

    "India's strengths are obvious. Ishant Sharma impressed and the bowlers were pretty good though by the end they were down and out physically".... that after just a 3-Test series! How on earth are they going to keep all the bowlers fit and firing for 5 Tests in England?

  • mrgupta on July 12, 2011, 5:19 GMT

    Those commenting that Aussies in their prime wud have gone for it, i wud say imagine Aussies in their prime, missing Ponting in his prime, missing Hayden and missing Gilly in their prime and then tell me if they had gone for a Victory at 6 RPO on a difficult 5th day pitch. I am sure they would not have fancied this as well. Raina was Dhoni's best bet for this kind of chase, in Sehwag and Sachin's absence, and once he was out there was no way give Dhoni's form and that of Kohli India should have attempted this chase.

  • Rajit on July 12, 2011, 5:16 GMT

    86 off 90 balls on a 5th day pitch is certainly difficult if not impossible...but I'm surprised with so much of critisicm about MSD not going for it...how many of these so called experts have themselves excelled overseas??Media needs to stop acting sadist and instead savour the series victory in WI ...bigger battles lie ahead and look forward to that

  • on July 12, 2011, 5:13 GMT

    If we had gone for the kill ... we would have end up at 50/4 as the current batting order is not the regular set of players ... If then one more wicket before tea .. would definitively can give a opening to west indies bowlers .. where we would have risked our series .. I agree we should have gone for a win by risking the series .. but when there is minimal chance of going for the win .. why should we risk it ... Please understand its not a one day match ... its a 5th day pitch and its humid and scorching .. It's very easy to say we should have gone for a win .. but i believe the team is more aware of this then what we are thinking...

  • johnathonjosephs on July 12, 2011, 5:11 GMT

    When England toured India couple years back and in Chennai when India was facing a mammoth 4th innings total to chase (some 380 odd in less than 4 sessions), did India try to draw out the match? In this match, it was even easier considering it was in less time, India had all IPL players (with exception of Mukund who got out first ball) and they should have at least tried. If a couple wickets fell, they could have changed tactics. Look at West Indies on the other hand in the 2nd test. THey actually were trying to win that match even though they were losing wickets continuously and the asking rate was above 6. That is what I call fighting spirit. India on the other hand have not broken their curse of only winning 1 test match outside India since their rise to Number 1 spot. That a characteristic of No 1 team? England deserve better and should show India what true fighting spirit is

  • RajeevAlukkal on July 12, 2011, 5:10 GMT

    It is easy for anybody to crticize from infront of the TV / Computer. But the players at the ground knows the situation very well than us.They always try to do best for the team. Many people are saying about Australianism. Nobody should forget how both the teams fans react when the team fails. If India fails, our fans bury their homes and throw stones at them. And Indian players know very well about this. To play for Indian team is very tough than any other team. Pls give them some respect. Atleast they are winning serious for us.

  • mrgupta on July 12, 2011, 5:09 GMT

    @Sriram Veera: Sorry i don't agree with your views. Firstly India was without 2 of its best batsmen (Sachin & Sehwag), secondly Zak their best bowler was missing and still we managed to be in a wining position in all the 3 tests on the last of each test. You can argue that 86 in 90 balls in achievable, but nobody is willing to take word of Dhoni or Fletcher that pitch was difficult. Were you one of the batsmen who played in that test? Dravid is not a Sehwag and Apart from Raina no one from the middle order showed any promise, Dhoni played only one good inning, and Kohli was totally out of sorts. After Raina went who would have shared the responsibility of scoring at 6 rpo on a 5th day pitch? Sammy said what he was thinking or wanted. He definitely wanted India to have a go so that they can have a chance to get them out. Don't forget it was not a T20 or ODI, no powerplay and a 5th day pitch. Totally one sided assessment from the writer, very disappointing.

  • srriaj317 on July 12, 2011, 5:07 GMT

    @NRI, Mithun Nair, Jaishankar: Yes, the Indian side was missing 4 first-choice players. But don't forget that the WI also had a depleted side. Politics have consumed the likes of Gayle, Taylor, Dwayne Bravo and Roach. Pollard also missed the limited-overs leg. And the WI captain had his back under fire from everyone. Surely the WI were much more depleted than India. If you want to use this excuse, don't forget that India's last home series win against Aus was against a injury-depleted side as well. In fact, looking at it that way, Aus have been unable to field their first-choice bowling attack for more than 2 seasons now due to untimely injuries to Lee, Bracken, Clark, Harris, Tait, Bollinger, Nannes, McKay and Siddle.

  • johnathonjosephs on July 12, 2011, 5:05 GMT

    To all those that are saying this is not the first choice team, the most amazing part is the fact that these youngsters will be the future Indian Test Team in another 2-4 years when Dravid, Laxman, Tendulkar, (maybe Zaheer) retires. And this "new India" (who in the series was saved in the 1st test by dravid, 2nd by laxman) who has had international exposure very early on (in form of IPL) is not that far off from the new West Indies team. Basically, people are upset because this shows that when the seniors retire, India will not be as dominant as thought (after all who can replace tendulkar and dravid?) Enjoy this period while you can, but beware of the storm that is brewing

  • Balajipost on July 12, 2011, 4:57 GMT

    Some people here have spoken about lack of killer instinct etc., Of all the changes that have happened to Indian cricket in the last few years, the biggest one has been the determination to succeed and the belief that the team can win from difficult situations. Mr.Veera has written a lot of good articles before. BUt I dont agree with him on this. Yes the ideal result would have been 2-0 or 3-0 in favor of India. But it did not happen not because of lack of effort / bloody mindedness from the Indians, but because of weather which was not under their control. I think people are going overboard. Let us give this young team the credit they deserve. After all, they played in conditions which are tough and alien tom them.

  • nmadhu on July 12, 2011, 4:51 GMT

    Certainly India lost the opportunity. The second test was India's but for Rain. With a leggie bowling around the stumps to batsmen's back and fast bowlers allowed to bowl bouncers, it would have been not possible for India to make 90 off 85 odd balls. WI showed more grit and thanks the 300 ball innings of Chandres and Edwards debut, who ensured a draw. India had begun to lost the way when Bhaji decided to bowl around the stumps to Edwards.

  • samsonxf1234 on July 12, 2011, 4:47 GMT

    totally agree with Jaishankar Tholasingam

  • prakash_mishra on July 12, 2011, 4:45 GMT

    I strongly feel that weather played its part in this Series or else results would have been different. India won the first test but anything could have happened in 2nd and 3rd test had they been played without rain delays.West Indies required another 79 runs with 3 wickets in hand and looking at how Indian bowling attack fails to seal the deal when it comes to taking last few wickets, I suppose it would not have been great surprise if WI wud have taken the 2nd test. India had better chances in 2nd test chasing mere 180, but way the wickets were falling, If either laxman or dravid had been out early,again I am not sure if rest of the batting line would have been able to stand up to the occasion.The biggest worry is new youngster's who are expected to fill the shoes of tendulkar,Dravid,sehwag and laxman.IPL generation doesn't seem to have what it takes to be a test player.The patience and temperament is the key and being in a haste will not make you a good test player.NEVER.

  • on July 12, 2011, 4:37 GMT

    Fair assessment,Sreeram. Pitches like these are needed all over the world for Test cricket to prosper and provide exciting cricket, like this series did almost throughout.

  • Percy_Fender on July 12, 2011, 4:31 GMT

    I read that Harbhajan has said he would be disappointed if he did not get 600 wickets. With that my earlier post goes out of the window. I only wish that the selectors remember that Anil Kumble was dropped for a few Tests when Ganguly was captain. At that time Bhajji was the chosen one till he got injured in Australia in 2004. Kumble came back and got 24 wickets in 3 Tests after that. If they could drop a living legend (even at that point in time) I wish they would do the same with Harbhajan. He certainly seems to have his connections because all he has to do is to get some wickets for writers to say, "Did I not tell you ? ' and he carries on for some more Tests. Incidentally Syed Ajmal took 17 wickets in 2 Tests just before India played West Indies this time. Harbhajan should just look within and realise that he is at present a big stumbling block and should get back to practice.

  • Percy_Fender on July 12, 2011, 4:16 GMT

    This series confirmed that Harbhajan has become a liability. Dhoni cannot drop him for all this brotherhood rubbish or for whatever reason and Bhajji too seems to have his supporters not just among the selectors but even amongst the big names who write in the newspapers and elsewhere. And for the sake of balance of the team, they just could not take Mishra who was simply superb in the ODIs and would have definitely got the last day heroes of the West Indian team. I would love to have a combination of Mishra and Ashwin against England . That is the way to go. I wish we would ask Harbhajan to go back to the drawing board and start with flight and drift at around 50 mph. He will come back like he used to be then. Unfortunately with his 6 wickets in the final Test, he may have preserved his place for the next 10 Tests. I wish our selectors were more realistic and would 'bite the bullet in real time' as the Americans love to say. The time for it is now.

  • bhaloniaz on July 12, 2011, 4:12 GMT

    This WI side will be able to beat sides like india, Srilanka, even Aus or Eng. They should bring back Gayle, Bharat, DMBravo, Chanderpaul, Sarwan, Edwards/Samuels, Baugh, Roach, Edwards, Rampaul, Bishoo can beat good teams. They have to field three good pacers and believe in themselves. India looks good with Kumar and Ishant bowling well. When Zaheer returns, india will have a good bowling unit.

  • on July 12, 2011, 3:29 GMT

    i feel they should have given it a try .true ,the team sent to west indies was not the strongest unit ,still they were capable of defeating west indies easily .killer instinct is required .

  • on July 12, 2011, 3:29 GMT

    I can't understand the logic of veera. This is not the real indian team but a second string team without top players but still india won series. So there is nothing to prove that we need to chase and win. We have to be practical and these people are out of moon and thinking beyond their capacity. See the pitch, how it behaves and accepts that west indian bowlers are very good. So, if we try they will go for defencive and match would have ended in draw. We tried upto 30 overs and can't score 4 runs per over. So no logic to go for kill and get in bad position. Lets give some space for DHONI to take decision and we as a fan accept it. Don't Criticise them for everything. We are winning a series after long time and it should not have been wasted for a petty reasons. GREAT WORK BOYS. KEEP IT UP.

  • on July 12, 2011, 3:11 GMT

    indian batting order is very big strength though absence of shewag is a big draw back and no one could fill his place non other than himself and the kind of start the team gets in first few overs were matters and in last test it was not that much pleasing so chossing to pull back was a fair and very hard decision made by dhoni despite beibg the no.1 team but good to be the winner's........

  • on July 12, 2011, 3:07 GMT

    Like in last test of India-SA test series they didn't went for victory. The Indian team and its fans consider this team as world champion and no.1 but both the qualities are missing from this side. If such a scenario would have been with the Australian team they certainly would have gone for an outright victory even if that team is not in their prime these days

  • indiafan13 on July 12, 2011, 3:06 GMT

    I think some people are being unfair to the Indian team. If the weather had been better, India would have probably won 3-0..and this is with the second string team...I think this is the perfect warm-up for the India team before the England tour..during the world cup..India was criticized a lot and look what they did..I think India will do really well in England with all the big players back..can't wait!..GOOD LUCK INDIA...

  • i_luv_crick on July 12, 2011, 2:53 GMT

    i completely agree with rahulbose. # 1 tag doesn't mean we are a great team in the 1st place. it only means we have done better than other teams over the last 1 or 2 years and that too largely at home. plus considering it is a second eleven and rain spoiled 2nd and 3rd test, 1-0 is a fair result

  • Shankar on July 12, 2011, 2:46 GMT

    Thankfully some people here have been realistic in their assessment. Given that we have players in this side who do not have much international exposure, the 1-0 result is quite ok. This bulletin, article and comments by people make it sound as if WI had won the series 3-0. I am not sure exactly why. They had home advantage, yet did not come close to winning any match. Agreed they were number 7, but when India were number 6-7 and lost at home to Australia, they would have been thrashed by teh same people who are now praising WI. Different standards for different countries. Finally, in any case, why do people compare this side to "great" WI team of 80s or "great" aus team of 90s? They are nowhere near, so lets stop those comparisons.

  • S.N.Singh on July 12, 2011, 2:43 GMT

    I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE WRITER. INDIA PERFORMANCE IN THE THIRD TEST WAS NOT OUTSTANDING, THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE BETTER THAN WHAT THEY DID. IF INDIA WOULD HAVE TAKEN SINGLES THEY WOULD HAVE WON THE GAME. WHICH MEANS THE WOULD HAVE HAD TO SCORE ABOUT 4 RUNS PER OVER. WHAT THE COACH DID I DO NOT KNOW. THE OPENING BATSMEN DID DO NOTHING . VIJAY WAY TRYING TO PROVE HIS POSITION BY STAYING. THE COACH SHOULD HAVE DONE WHAT DHONI DID IN AUSTRALIA. HE SEND PUJARA FIRST DOWN AND THAT DID THE JOB. KHOLI SHOULD HAVE OPPENED THE BATTING THERE, SEEING VIJAY WAS NOT GET RUNS. RAINA SHOULD HAVE IN FIRST DOWN. THEN IF IT DOES NOT WORK THEY SHOULD SHUT SHOP AFTER IF NEEDED. FOUR SINGLES PER OVER WOULD HAVE DONE THE GAME. S. N. SINGH U.S.A.

  • peterss on July 12, 2011, 2:37 GMT

    Shouldnt be a cakewalk for England but should be a comfortable series win for england with india unable to stand up. Harbhajan would be a big failure and he should have have been left out of the team long ago.

  • fail on July 12, 2011, 2:24 GMT

    This has been a great series, though Dhoni should have definitely gone for the win and have confidence in their batting ability to the WI attack. WI are hopeless without Gayle + Sarwan n they need to bring back Ramdin. Ind vs Eng series is gonna be a ripper, but SL is clearly still the best team in the world.

  • on July 12, 2011, 1:59 GMT

    If the series was 1-1 with one to play would India pull out of the run chase and settle for a draw instead, they would in the 1980s and 90s but this indian team should've showed their initiative. These are India's insecurities which could be exploited by the England. Although India won the last series, would they be able to handle the swinging ball and the no.1 spinner Graeme Swan whose is a better spinner than Harbhajan?

  • on July 12, 2011, 1:54 GMT

    India assessors are being unrealistic as well as overly optimistic. Seeing the B team they sent, they could well have lost but for the fact WI were equally at sea. So there wasn't any 'class' to be stamped and the results showed that quite glaringly.

    Their utter helplessness in prizing out Edwards and Chanders in the third Test represented all the realism they may have wished to confront. Did they miss a Zaheer there! If a team fails to mop up it is not entitled to rue lofty aspirations at the conclusion.

    So their decision to slug it out in the 4th innings rather than go for the kill was embedded in pragmatism.

  • on July 12, 2011, 1:54 GMT

    I don't say that we could have made 86 runs in 90 balls. But come on we have enough good player who should have made 180 in 45 overs.

  • on July 12, 2011, 1:51 GMT

    I missed sehwag inning on the final day. Match would have finished in 30 overs if scored 30 to 40 odd runs in his fashion

  • VarenyaKumar on July 12, 2011, 1:49 GMT

    We are the 'fans' who forever are ready to go for the heads of this wonderful team. This has been the team that is no.1 in the world now, and has won the world cup and this is the captain who has conquered every possible frontier. Instead of mounting endless pressure of implausible expectations, let us for once congratulate our team when they have performed within themselves and yet won. After all, a world cup winning captain and a no.1 team know a little bit about cricket and were the ones who batted last on the pitch. They know best guys. Relax and enjoy the series win and the coming England tour.

  • subbass on July 12, 2011, 1:31 GMT

    England have nothing to fear from India.

  • henchart on July 12, 2011, 1:26 GMT

    I am surprised that not many are pointing finger at pedestrian bowling dished out to Chanderpaul and Co. on 5 th day morning at Roseau.Indians are mostly ineffective in not letting the tail wag.Waqar Younis,Akram,Warne ,Mcgrath were all deadly for tail enders .Unfortunately,for India,Munaf Patel,Harbhajan ,Kumar and Ishant Sharma could not remove Fidel Edwards quickly .Even if Tendulkar was playing,Indians would not have opted to chase those runs .Safety first approach is in their blood.A blazing Sehwag would have made the difference though.He is cavalier ,unlike other Indian batsmen.Remember how he set the ball rolling against Eng in Madras in Dec 2008 by plundering their attack and laying a platform for Tendulkar and Yuvraj to steer India to a famous win ?

  • on July 12, 2011, 1:06 GMT

    This is load of bollacks. No sachin,zaheer,Viru,gambhir,yuvraj...we won the T20,ODI series,Test matches...There was never a moment through out the series when WI came miles close to threatening India....I mean what exactly do people expect...Even after we win everything in sight..Is it not enough?????

  • rtom on July 12, 2011, 0:44 GMT

    If Dravid says that "these pitches were some of the most difficult pitches he has ever batted in" tehn one can imagine what the pliht of the new faces in the indian Team. They will never be able to score and it got proved !! the Heros of 20-20 in indian piches are ZEROs whereever they go out of india !

  • NRI- on July 12, 2011, 0:42 GMT

    The old Aussie team WITHOUT Ponting, Gilchrist, Warne and Mcgrath in their hey day was an average team - so too India without Sachin, Sehwag, Gamby and Zaheer. Without bad light and rain, India could have 3-0. Without Zaheer, they showed that they could take 20 wickets - that was most pleasing. Thankfully, Mukund and Raina played all right and they are going to England. Only the new batsmen - mainly Vijay and Kohli failed - so what? There are too many good batsmen for only 6 spots - the usual top 5 + Rohit, Rahane, Pandey + Mukund, Raina, Pujara and Yuvraj - that's 12 batsmen for 6 spots despite the failure of Kohli and Vijay. Thank god the bowliing did well - PK and IS can now join ZK and HS in England and there is of course Ashwin, Mishra, Sreesanth, Munaf - the bowling is looking like it can take 10 wickets.

  • HydSri on July 12, 2011, 0:35 GMT

    What about the weather? I believe it did play a significant role in determining the overall outcome. So to term the series as a 'lost opportunity' by Sriram, without considering the lost time, is in my opinion, not appropriate. Otherwise agree with rest of the analysis.

  • Metman on July 12, 2011, 0:29 GMT

    How could have India stamped their authority with Sehwag,Gambir,Tendulkar,Yuvraj and Zaheer missing ?and this is the very same reason that they called off the chase in the last test !Indias' strength is in their batting,and without those players I didn't expect India to dominate.

  • on July 12, 2011, 0:26 GMT

    test cricket is not game of children. dhoni take a good and right decision. dhoni true test in england and in australia. when they tour australia at the end of this year. i am great fan of test cricket. t20 cricket is not true test of player. on the fifth day 86 from 90 balls to win is almost imposiible. it is not t20 cricket. it is test cricket where you play sensibly. i think dhoni rake a right decision

  • on July 12, 2011, 0:24 GMT

    Looking forward to see the Indians face Anderson and Tremlett (especially if there are any low clouds hanging by) :)

  • IndiaGoats on July 12, 2011, 0:10 GMT

    @Raunaq: Do note that our lead over the next country in the ICC rankings reduced by 2 points because India didn't go for a win. So we are 'less better' than the next team now.

  • on July 12, 2011, 0:01 GMT

    India have a great advantage here nor wi resaon behind this WI is home side they can explore home condition very well second India found new Ishant and raina in this tour second In third test on on end they are doing negative bowling ,on one end bisso is doing neagetive bowling so they took right step and won series ,,,,some ypu have to be clever Instead of bold

  • Nampally on July 11, 2011, 23:59 GMT

    I have a few reasons why India did not do any better than 1-0 series win. 1. India did not have 2 experienced opening batsmen for the tests. When you get a poor start, you are always on the defensive. India is making the same blunder with Sehwag not replaced by an experienced opener in England. 2. India dropped their most lethal bowler, Mishra, for the tests after his brilliant performance in the ODI. With all WI pitches being spinners paradise, this was the most crucial blunder on the part of Dhoni/Duncan.3. Dhoni needed to bat at #4 to get the score board moving. Coming at #7 was totally meaningless with inexperienced Kohli & Raina ahead of him.4. Harbhajan is not the bowler he was. His performance in last 3 test series has been most disappointing. All credit to WI that they never gave up despite missing a bowler in the first innings of third test+ Edwards & Chandrapal centuries.India should promptly address these points for the England Tou especially the opening bat with Ganbhir

  • Bang_La on July 11, 2011, 23:56 GMT

    @Sriram Veera, without the 4 or 5 oldies, India dont have the power to stamp anyone, admit it.

  • dibbu on July 11, 2011, 23:40 GMT

    Indian batsmen like Kohli, Rohit Sharma, Raina, and even Dhoni need to start developing and applying their skills better while they still have Laxman, Sachin, and Dravid playing test cricket. It would be difficult to do so at a later stage when the trio retires while the young are trying to play catch-up! So,keep up the good work, India, but don't forget to plan long-term! Cheers!

  • suresh_alagappa on July 11, 2011, 23:39 GMT

    I don't understand what eveyone is expecting. India did not have many practice games after coming to West Indies. Unlike the Pakistan series, the pitches had more bounce and therefore it is difficult to adjust immediately. How do you expext Mukund, Vijay and Kohli who are in their initial stages of their test careers to start performing from day one. Please put the overall situation into context before coming into conclusions that India have wasted their opportunity. If not for rain, we would have won the second test. West Indies would have been totally on the backfoot coming into the third test. The victory lap was more in support of the dominica crowd who were excellent. Lets appreciate that we have won the series and put an end to this debate that India did not take up the challenge. Assessing the situation, conditions and circumstances , India have taken the right decision.

  • stationmaster on July 11, 2011, 23:39 GMT

    I think they showed a lack of guts and desire to win. West Indies bowlers seriously worried some of the Indian batsmen, who are used to batting on such easy run scoring wickets in India (which is why cricket can be so boring over there) so there's lots of hope for England, I can imagine the sight of Chris Tremlett pounding in will strike fear into a few of the feather bed specialists in the IND team.

  • on July 11, 2011, 23:27 GMT

    disgusting to see the Indian approach to say the least..... A no.1 team is supposed to go for a win and back its strength and now throw in the towel.... shame on you Team India.. you ve let us down

  • deegowd on July 11, 2011, 22:55 GMT

    When Dhoni decided to shake hands and call the game off, I too was very surprised. You are also missing the point Veera. Any number 1 side in the world would struggle if half the first choice players were to be replaced (see Aus, even though that was a gradual phasing compared to what Indian fielded in the last test series). And moreover, the contest was always dominated by India (barring a few minor hiccups). If the rain had not played spoil-sport, even the second-string team India fielded would have won the series 3-0. Isn't that heartening? At the same time, I believe Dhoni wouldn't have gone for a draw if he had the series already 2-0 or even if the match were to be a series decider at 1-1. Looking at the larger picture, I agree with what Dhoni did for his team, though it was not best for cricket. I am not surprised at all: isn't it the same man who said, 'don't play for the crowd, play for your country'?

  • InsideHedge on July 11, 2011, 22:55 GMT

    I hope Duncan Fletcher and Trevor Penney are keeping stats on dropped catches. Rahul Dravid is now dropping at least 2 catches before he takes one. It's time to groom several new slip fieldsmen. In the 2nd Test @Bdos, WI made a blunder in sending Chanderpaul before Samuels during their run chase, not surprisingly Chanderpaul consumed a shocking # of deliveries and ruined their chase. In the final Test, he came into bat in a situation he prefers where time is on his side and he can nudge and deflect for 7 hours. Similarly, India blundered by sending in Dravid at No.3, he basically opened since Mukund fell first ball. Dravid would have served the team better if the chase went wrong and we needed someone to salvage a draw. Both Chanders and Dravid should NOT be classified as GREAT players, they can't dictate the bowling.

  • on July 11, 2011, 22:53 GMT

    @Raghu: We dont need to proove anything to anyone. The world cup is in India and so is the No. 1 test rankings :). We might not be the best but hey you just need to be better than the rest so we are. So in the current playing nations, India is way ahead of the rat race considering there are only sub par teams left in cricket. 20/20, the worst form of cricket has lead to this destruction of worlds cricketing heritage. Its all too commercial with players not ready to give 100% to a test match when they can earn 50 times more playing a 2 hours game.

  • Rahulbose on July 11, 2011, 22:49 GMT

    ICC should scrap the test ranking system if only to stop the deluge of "India is no 1 team, hence..." debates. WI playing at home against a second string Indian side gets beat 1-0 instead of 3-0 thanks mainly to weather delays. They bowled very well and showed that even against a full strength Indian side they would have competed, but to say it was an opportunity missed by India is crazy talk.

  • MinusZero on July 11, 2011, 22:46 GMT

    I was disappointed that India didnt chase the win. It wasnt that big a challenge.

  • Alexk400 on July 11, 2011, 22:43 GMT

    Time to drop dhoni , he is non performing captain. His wicket keeping is weak. Test batting is weak. Now captaincy also weak. Gambhir would do better job.

  • on July 11, 2011, 22:33 GMT

    India seemed completely disinterested, perhaps the sending out of their second rate Test squad played a part in that attitude. It furthers the rate at which West Indian cricket is in terminal decline, that they couldn't defeat a disinterested second rate Indian team. Despite flat Indian performances and stubbon West Indian resistence, it does in a weird about way justify their sending of a team missing their big names.

  • bestofluckindia on July 11, 2011, 22:31 GMT

    Believe me it would have been 3-0 if it wouldn't have been for rain. Things happen for good. Probably 3-0 would have created complacency before England series. Hence, 1-0 states scope for improvement.

  • bestofluckindia on July 11, 2011, 22:29 GMT

    I am a strong fan of Indian team and want them to always win. But, I would still support them. Its not that they didn't try, they sure had a plan and they definately are sporting (2nd test declaration). If Duncan fletcher says it was difficult to score then who are we to challenge that thought.

  • CollisKing on July 11, 2011, 22:21 GMT

    I agree 100 % about the pitches, Sabina Park and Barbados sorted out the men from the boys in both batting line-ups.

    Pitches with pace and bounce = interesting Test cricket.

    Maybe pitch curator's around the world are starting to get the message.

  • mrdmanohar on July 11, 2011, 22:16 GMT

    Really shame on India...they should give away their No.1 rank too as they have given the test match with out fight, not even trying..buried all their honor.

  • kumarcoolbuddy on July 11, 2011, 22:14 GMT

    Did Sammy appreciate Indian skills in this series in any post-match presentation? Anyway this shud not affect the ENG series.

  • kalyanbk on July 11, 2011, 22:12 GMT

    Perhaps the Indian players paychecks should be performance based. Higher bonus if you win the match. Right now they seem satisfied to win the important ones and then coast. One can understand if that happened to seniors, but this is a young team with players looking to establish. Disappointing attitude with some unattractive cricket.

  • vverma on July 11, 2011, 22:08 GMT

    It is not the batsmen's job to be aggressive on the last day of the test match. It is the spinner's job. Why blame the batsmen when your spinners take over 2.5hrs to dismiss the 10th batsmen of the 8th team in world cricket on the fifth day of a test match. West Indian spinners (as they have shown throughout the series) wouldn't have returned the favor had Indian batting lineup tried something bold and got themselves into a spot of bother.

  • on July 11, 2011, 21:54 GMT

    Probably .. but before we jump the gun and start comparing with the champion teams of Australia and West Indies, let's just remember this was effectively the 2nd XI of ICC's top ranked team. They were missing their first choice openers, their best middle order bat, and their top two test bowlers. Ishant stepped up but he too was coming on back of indifferent form, Munaf hadn't played tests in 2 yrs, Mithun and Praveen were absolute greenhorns. That leaves Dravid and Laxman and Dhoni ( who again was on a pretty ordinary run). Yes, there were chances lost for M Vijay, Badrinath and Kohli (tests) as well as Raina (ODIs) - but let's be honest, there's only been few like Gavaskar, Amre or Ganguly who have lapped up their chances on an overseas Test Debut for India ..

  • on July 11, 2011, 21:27 GMT

    Indian public would have been happy to go down in a test match instead of just giving up to win a series. You didnt prove that you are No.1

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  • on July 11, 2011, 21:27 GMT

    Indian public would have been happy to go down in a test match instead of just giving up to win a series. You didnt prove that you are No.1

  • on July 11, 2011, 21:54 GMT

    Probably .. but before we jump the gun and start comparing with the champion teams of Australia and West Indies, let's just remember this was effectively the 2nd XI of ICC's top ranked team. They were missing their first choice openers, their best middle order bat, and their top two test bowlers. Ishant stepped up but he too was coming on back of indifferent form, Munaf hadn't played tests in 2 yrs, Mithun and Praveen were absolute greenhorns. That leaves Dravid and Laxman and Dhoni ( who again was on a pretty ordinary run). Yes, there were chances lost for M Vijay, Badrinath and Kohli (tests) as well as Raina (ODIs) - but let's be honest, there's only been few like Gavaskar, Amre or Ganguly who have lapped up their chances on an overseas Test Debut for India ..

  • vverma on July 11, 2011, 22:08 GMT

    It is not the batsmen's job to be aggressive on the last day of the test match. It is the spinner's job. Why blame the batsmen when your spinners take over 2.5hrs to dismiss the 10th batsmen of the 8th team in world cricket on the fifth day of a test match. West Indian spinners (as they have shown throughout the series) wouldn't have returned the favor had Indian batting lineup tried something bold and got themselves into a spot of bother.

  • kalyanbk on July 11, 2011, 22:12 GMT

    Perhaps the Indian players paychecks should be performance based. Higher bonus if you win the match. Right now they seem satisfied to win the important ones and then coast. One can understand if that happened to seniors, but this is a young team with players looking to establish. Disappointing attitude with some unattractive cricket.

  • kumarcoolbuddy on July 11, 2011, 22:14 GMT

    Did Sammy appreciate Indian skills in this series in any post-match presentation? Anyway this shud not affect the ENG series.

  • mrdmanohar on July 11, 2011, 22:16 GMT

    Really shame on India...they should give away their No.1 rank too as they have given the test match with out fight, not even trying..buried all their honor.

  • CollisKing on July 11, 2011, 22:21 GMT

    I agree 100 % about the pitches, Sabina Park and Barbados sorted out the men from the boys in both batting line-ups.

    Pitches with pace and bounce = interesting Test cricket.

    Maybe pitch curator's around the world are starting to get the message.

  • bestofluckindia on July 11, 2011, 22:29 GMT

    I am a strong fan of Indian team and want them to always win. But, I would still support them. Its not that they didn't try, they sure had a plan and they definately are sporting (2nd test declaration). If Duncan fletcher says it was difficult to score then who are we to challenge that thought.

  • bestofluckindia on July 11, 2011, 22:31 GMT

    Believe me it would have been 3-0 if it wouldn't have been for rain. Things happen for good. Probably 3-0 would have created complacency before England series. Hence, 1-0 states scope for improvement.

  • on July 11, 2011, 22:33 GMT

    India seemed completely disinterested, perhaps the sending out of their second rate Test squad played a part in that attitude. It furthers the rate at which West Indian cricket is in terminal decline, that they couldn't defeat a disinterested second rate Indian team. Despite flat Indian performances and stubbon West Indian resistence, it does in a weird about way justify their sending of a team missing their big names.