West Indies v New Zealand, 5th ODI, St Kitts July 17, 2012

'In our conditions, Narine is unplayable' - Sammy

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West Indies spinner Sunil Narine has bounced back from an indifferent tour of England with a Player-of-the-Series performance - 13 wickets and an economy of 2.92 - in the 4-1 victory against New Zealand. Narine had also taken seven wickets in the two Twenty20s that preceded the ODIs and his captain Darren Sammy said he was "unplayable" in home conditions.

In England, Narine was wicketless in the Edgbaston Test that was ruined by rain, took only one wicket in two ODIs and none in the Twenty20. At home, however, Narine's variations led West Indies to their first ODI series victory over any team other than Bangladesh and Zimbabwe since 2009.

"In our conditions, he [Narine] is unplayable," Sammy said. "Especially, when we post a good total, knowing that I am going to get 60 balls from him. I know what he is going to do. Any situation, you can call on him, and it is good to have someone like that in your team who you can turn to at any given time. I know he is going to continue to do well for us and have a very successful career."

Narine finished the series with a career-best haul of 5 for 27, bowling West Indies to a 20-run victory in the fifth ODI in St. Kitts. "This is my first ODI series win for the West Indies and I'm happy it came at home in front of the home supporters," he said. "It felt really good that they could celebrate with us. Today, I felt calm and relaxed running in to bowl. The ball came out nicely and I felt in control. Again today, the batsmen did a fantastic job to provide us with a score to bowl at."

West Indies were in trouble at 104 for 5 in the 27th over before fifties by Dwayne Bravo and Andre Russell lifted the score to 241. Narine spearheaded the defence and said that his switch to a round the wicket line for most of his spell had troubled the batsmen.

"I spoke to the coach [Ottis Gibson] and we looked at a few new ideas about how to attack the batsmen," Narine said. "He suggested that I could look at some more variety and I went into the nets and worked hard at how I could come from around the wicket and look to get the ball to 'pitch on'. As you saw today, it worked wonders as I got wickets from around the wicket. That is something I will definitely work on in the coming weeks."

Ross Taylor, the New Zealand captain, also said Narine was the difference between the two teams in the series and his side would need to find ways to counter him in the Tests.

"Most sides, when they need 50 off 40, they are going to get there at a canter, but when you have Narine in there, it is a bit of a struggle as you have to score runs off him and the other bowlers," Taylor said. "He was the difference today on that wicket with three big wickets. It was big in the context of the match."

The West Indies coach Ottis Gibson was satisfied at his team's success in the ODI and Twenty20 series after the disappointment in England.

"In England - where we had pretty much the same side - we didn't do that well and questions were asked," he said. "It was really good to see how the guys have returned home and answered those questions with some good performances.

"Almost everyone put his hand up and put in a strong performance when it was required. As a team we are happy with the series results and we look to take the momentum on from here."

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  • on July 20, 2012, 17:24 GMT

    But even if he was offered a chance of a recall Sarwan said he wouldn't walk out on Leicestershire. " I owe them because they've invested in me..........." " The coach said some negative stuff that hurt me mentally and emotionally." Sarwan told BBC SPORT." Mentally I was broken down, not from the stress of playing, it is just certain individuals have drained me mentally." Sars famous words, not mine. And by the way 4 centuries in 161 ODI inns is not flattering stats for a " GREAT" #3 batsman. The man is not interested in playing for the WI, end of debate.

  • SNIFFLEATHER on July 20, 2012, 16:10 GMT

    spokes007...

    Whilst their is undoubtedly strength to your argument that Sarwan should not be discarded, as the man clearly has talent, your comment that "West Indies will not win another series for a long while" is somewhat misguided. Make no mistake, the West Indies are back on the right path.

  • Spokes007 on July 20, 2012, 13:07 GMT

    Until personal biases leaves WI cricket it will suffer. Sarwan has a higher ODI and Test average than everyone, except Shiv. Sir Garfield Sobers said it right; he cannot see why Chnagerpaul and Sarwan are not in the ODI team, and test, for that matter the 20/20. Cricketers at their level should be able to play in all formats. This short series with NZ will be short lived. WI out of 20/20 second round….they will not win another series in the next while, a long while.

  • Rafelgibt on July 20, 2012, 11:05 GMT

    He might be effective but not as unplayable as described by SAMMY........No doubt about that he is a good bowler.....But still a long way to prove himself as worthy as world class.....Whenever i see bowling NARAINE it reminds me AJANTA MENDIS of SL........Such a poor guy......Hope same thing is not going to happen to NARAINE.........

  • SNIFFLEATHER on July 20, 2012, 0:24 GMT

    Narine will get plenty of overs during these two test matches. After which, evaluations can be made. For the time being, he can be regarded as a wondeful limited overs bowler. The true test, is test cricket. Hence the name... Good luck Sunil, West Indies needs more than good now. We need great again.

  • on July 19, 2012, 4:02 GMT

    I don,t know why you guys are putting down Sarwan like that. He was a great batsman for West Indies and should be given the chance to prove himself.

  • on July 18, 2012, 16:41 GMT

    Something to consider if it is at all necessary, that the WI final test with New Zealand ends on the August 6 and it seems that there next game September 22 in the T20 world cup against Australia. On the contrary the following teams ends their international tours playing T20s in the early September (the same month of World Cup T20): England, India, South Africa, New Zealand, Australia and Pakistan. I suspect that there is something planed for these 47 days before their game T20 world cup starts.

  • on July 18, 2012, 12:37 GMT

    Please, please, what's all this talk about Sarwan in the WI team? This team will do well without this guy. And don't forget, Sarwan has a major batting flaw. He cannot play short pitch bowling. He just cannot hook & the world knows that. WI will do well with Gayle, Darren Bravo, Samuels, Shiv et co. And by the way Sarwan will not play under Otis & Sammy. Trust me.

  • sanmaha on July 18, 2012, 11:18 GMT

    At present scenario we have 4 world class bowlers in international cricket swan,ajmal,ashwin narine .NARINE BALLS DIFFICULT TO PLAY ,PICK AND EACH BALLS ARE DIFFERENT ACCORDING TO ME HE IS NO 1 BOWLERS IN WORLD

  • on July 18, 2012, 10:36 GMT

    Nafzak, I agree with you in part. But West Indies are doing a lot better now. Darren Sammy has earned his position with great humility and hard work. We have made some changes including resolving the Gale issue. Coach Gibson has done fine but there is still a lot more to do. The CEO is on his way out. What a journey it was for us all. But we are here today, our boys are all so happy and are celebrating for and with each other, now we must join and beat our drums. We have resolve Gale and now England is trying to do the same with Kevin Peterson but is saying they will not go the West Indies way (I am curious as to how this will work out). We are different we are special we will rise again we are the West Indies.

  • on July 20, 2012, 17:24 GMT

    But even if he was offered a chance of a recall Sarwan said he wouldn't walk out on Leicestershire. " I owe them because they've invested in me..........." " The coach said some negative stuff that hurt me mentally and emotionally." Sarwan told BBC SPORT." Mentally I was broken down, not from the stress of playing, it is just certain individuals have drained me mentally." Sars famous words, not mine. And by the way 4 centuries in 161 ODI inns is not flattering stats for a " GREAT" #3 batsman. The man is not interested in playing for the WI, end of debate.

  • SNIFFLEATHER on July 20, 2012, 16:10 GMT

    spokes007...

    Whilst their is undoubtedly strength to your argument that Sarwan should not be discarded, as the man clearly has talent, your comment that "West Indies will not win another series for a long while" is somewhat misguided. Make no mistake, the West Indies are back on the right path.

  • Spokes007 on July 20, 2012, 13:07 GMT

    Until personal biases leaves WI cricket it will suffer. Sarwan has a higher ODI and Test average than everyone, except Shiv. Sir Garfield Sobers said it right; he cannot see why Chnagerpaul and Sarwan are not in the ODI team, and test, for that matter the 20/20. Cricketers at their level should be able to play in all formats. This short series with NZ will be short lived. WI out of 20/20 second round….they will not win another series in the next while, a long while.

  • Rafelgibt on July 20, 2012, 11:05 GMT

    He might be effective but not as unplayable as described by SAMMY........No doubt about that he is a good bowler.....But still a long way to prove himself as worthy as world class.....Whenever i see bowling NARAINE it reminds me AJANTA MENDIS of SL........Such a poor guy......Hope same thing is not going to happen to NARAINE.........

  • SNIFFLEATHER on July 20, 2012, 0:24 GMT

    Narine will get plenty of overs during these two test matches. After which, evaluations can be made. For the time being, he can be regarded as a wondeful limited overs bowler. The true test, is test cricket. Hence the name... Good luck Sunil, West Indies needs more than good now. We need great again.

  • on July 19, 2012, 4:02 GMT

    I don,t know why you guys are putting down Sarwan like that. He was a great batsman for West Indies and should be given the chance to prove himself.

  • on July 18, 2012, 16:41 GMT

    Something to consider if it is at all necessary, that the WI final test with New Zealand ends on the August 6 and it seems that there next game September 22 in the T20 world cup against Australia. On the contrary the following teams ends their international tours playing T20s in the early September (the same month of World Cup T20): England, India, South Africa, New Zealand, Australia and Pakistan. I suspect that there is something planed for these 47 days before their game T20 world cup starts.

  • on July 18, 2012, 12:37 GMT

    Please, please, what's all this talk about Sarwan in the WI team? This team will do well without this guy. And don't forget, Sarwan has a major batting flaw. He cannot play short pitch bowling. He just cannot hook & the world knows that. WI will do well with Gayle, Darren Bravo, Samuels, Shiv et co. And by the way Sarwan will not play under Otis & Sammy. Trust me.

  • sanmaha on July 18, 2012, 11:18 GMT

    At present scenario we have 4 world class bowlers in international cricket swan,ajmal,ashwin narine .NARINE BALLS DIFFICULT TO PLAY ,PICK AND EACH BALLS ARE DIFFERENT ACCORDING TO ME HE IS NO 1 BOWLERS IN WORLD

  • on July 18, 2012, 10:36 GMT

    Nafzak, I agree with you in part. But West Indies are doing a lot better now. Darren Sammy has earned his position with great humility and hard work. We have made some changes including resolving the Gale issue. Coach Gibson has done fine but there is still a lot more to do. The CEO is on his way out. What a journey it was for us all. But we are here today, our boys are all so happy and are celebrating for and with each other, now we must join and beat our drums. We have resolve Gale and now England is trying to do the same with Kevin Peterson but is saying they will not go the West Indies way (I am curious as to how this will work out). We are different we are special we will rise again we are the West Indies.

  • on July 18, 2012, 10:18 GMT

    How can the WI beat England at home especially when the matches are played at the end of Spring and/or the beginning of Autumn England uses the conditions very well....Cold and windy....England's advantage. Rain and more Rain...England's advantage,,, most matches are played in the north...England's advantage Cricket is supposed to be played in the Summer Come on England play us during the summer as you use to this WI team is coming to come with the right selections we will be in the top 3 very soon.

  • on July 18, 2012, 9:57 GMT

    Narine has been a great find for West Indies, but they should also acknowledge the fact that Tino Best has also been in fine nick. Best can be their strike pacer if he's given the right direction. He has the pace, all he needs is some good advice.

  • on July 18, 2012, 8:36 GMT

    Bowling at NZ rather than England probably helped Narine as much as the home conditions.

  • nafzak on July 18, 2012, 7:03 GMT

    I wish the best for Sunil Narine, but one good series against a weak NZ team is no reason to get carried away. Australia is regrouping and on a downturn right now. Pak, Ind, SL are close to the Aussies. Ban is just below WI and NZ, even though I expect NZ to be better in test matches. South Africa and England are top dogs right now and WI are nowhere near them. Gibson did not suddenly become a good coach and Sammy still does not earn his place on the team. The century he scored against Eng is good enough to guarantee selection for the next 20 matches. Then he will suddenly score another 50 and Gibson will be in all praises of Sammy.

  • Jack_Tka on July 18, 2012, 6:19 GMT

    With this win, I believe that the mindset of WI team will change. Till now in my opinion, thier mindset was to "lets compete" OR say "lets prevent the defeat". With this win, now the momentum will change and WI will "play to win". Atleast in their own backyard. The self belief which was lacking earlier will be replaced by: "we did it recently, so why not again, lets try to win". A revival of WI is a boost to cricket as a whole.

  • riverlime on July 18, 2012, 5:43 GMT

    Sarwan needs some time to rediscover his love for the game and for WI cricket. He seems to be settling in nicely with Leicestershire, having made another century a few days ago in a Pro40 match. I think he should play out the season and aim to be in maroon again for the ODI's in Oz in Feb next year. This will give him time to requalify by playing for Guyana domestically. Once again , I say this. He is the second best striker of the ball West Indies have seen since Lara (young Bravo in my mind has the left-hander's polish), and is sorely missed at the top of the batting order.

  • on July 18, 2012, 5:37 GMT

    That being said it would be great if Sarwan could make a return. then we could have a team like Gayle, Sammy Sarwan , Bravo, Samuels, Chanderpaul, Ramdin, Best Roach, Narine & Rampaul / Shillingford. with Delorn Johnson & Powell , Deonarine , Fudadin , Fidel

  • simonviller on July 18, 2012, 5:37 GMT

    I think some of us are a little too quick to judge Narine on his performance in England .If one looks at Graeme Swann's performance -- one of top bowlers in the world -- at home ,then Narine is still to be considered as a good prospect ,despite not taking a lot of wickets .

  • on July 18, 2012, 5:28 GMT

    I'm so glad that we've finally won a series albeit an Odi series vs New Zealand. We have gotten ourselves in a position to win every series we've played since December 2010 except the Test & Odi series in England which we could have drawn 1-1 Yet for a variety of reason the victories never came. @ the moment we need to put insularity & egoism aside & wherever possible look to select the best players to put on the field.

  • on July 18, 2012, 3:55 GMT

    Let me put it this way. New Zealand got Narinized!!!

  • on July 18, 2012, 3:18 GMT

    My Squad : Chris Gayle, Kirk Edwards , Ramnaresh Sarwan , Shivnaraine Chanderpaul , Marlon Samuels , Brendon NAsh , Dinesh Ramdhin , Darren Sammy , Kemar Roach , Sunil Naraine , Tino Best. Reserved Darren Bravo,Delron Johnson ,Fidel Edwards,D.Bishoo.

  • on July 18, 2012, 2:28 GMT

    To me the WI need to be playing two spinners in all the tests because the bowlers who are taking wickets in the WI right now are the spinners. Please don't say Benn- that man can't play for the WI again as he has no discipline. Also our pacers are too fragile and most are one dimensional. Clearly the Kiwis can't figure spin so that's what we need to go for. Russell must bat ahead of Sammy and wicketkeeper although I don't know if he's up to test standard as a bowler as he was fairly expensive in this series. With Gayle (1), Sarwan (3), Samuels (4) and Shiv (5) we could have a test batting lineup that can play with any side anywhere. Hopefully with Hillaire gone we can repair the relationship with Sarwan and get some more time from this core of players before they retire and help to mentor the younger players.

  • on July 18, 2012, 2:02 GMT

    Congrats! to the west indies beating New Zealand 4-1. It's important west Indies develop the culture of winning. This will give them confidence going into the test matches.

  • on July 18, 2012, 1:59 GMT

    @jb633 1. Gayle 2. Edwards 3. Sarwan 4. Darren Bravo. 5. Shiv C, 6. M. Samuels. 7. Ramdin. 8. Bishoo, 9. Roach. 10. Narine. 11. Rampaul. where is the captain? he cannot captain a side from outside

  • Lermy on July 18, 2012, 1:23 GMT

    Any Kiwis know whatever happened to Corey Anderson? I saw him play in the U19 World cup warm up games against Pakistan with Tom Latham and Doug Bracewell. He looked in another class to all the batsmen including the Pakistanis, apart from an over eagerness to smash the ball out of the park. Now I don't even see him playing first class circket.

  • jb633 on July 17, 2012, 22:47 GMT

    With the introduction of Narine, I think WI have the tools to start winning series at home. I know there are naysayers who say that he can only bowl on turning pitches, but being able to win at home is still a massive step forward for the WI. Once they consistently win at home they can then look to adjust their game to win series away from home. I think for the future the WI should play Bishoo and Narine in test matches and look to spin their way to victory. Even watching the WI in England I thought the signs were there that this WI side could prove to be more than decent. I think with Gayle back it sure's up their top order which has been lacking severley in recent times. If they could only convince Ronnie Sarwan to come and bat at 3 then I think they could become a very good side. I think their test team should be 1. Gayle 2. Edwards 3. Sarwan 4. Darren Bravo. 5. Shiv C, 6. M. Samuels. 7. Ramdin. 8. Bishoo, 9. Roach. 10. Narine. 11. Rampaul.

  • bored_iam on July 17, 2012, 22:13 GMT

    Is it just me or is narine far better to right handers than left handers?

  • Triniboss501 on July 17, 2012, 22:11 GMT

    Hats off to the Windies for winning. I am very happy for them. But lets keep things in perspective. This a battle of the mediorce teams at best. Sammy is letting his emotions of the win get to him. Facts of the matter is the batting is lamentable. Thank goodness New Zealand is as rusty as they come. Sunil Narine has the makings of a great spinner but he has a LONG way to go. Great players can play in any ground, in any country. This is what sets them apart from the rest. Sunil Narine still has to learn to get set quality batsmen out, he still has to develop guile, and the ability to try something different. You can say what you want about the weather and the pitches, England exposed him and unless he works on his variations he will be exposed by the top teams. I hope the Windies continue with their winning ways so they can meet their goal of being in the top 5, as per the captian Sammy. After all he is reaching for the stars.

  • godfreyse on July 17, 2012, 21:26 GMT

    Make no mistake WI would have been far more competitive agst ENG had the series been played in the WI. Soon, in order to determine world camps, matches would have to be played in neutral countries. Maybe ENG v WI in USA. Teams r so strong at home. India v Sri Lanka in Canada. What fun!

  • MysticMan on July 17, 2012, 20:27 GMT

    IMO Priyath Gregory is spot on. Notice how Raina was taking on Sunil Naraine in the IPL final. Naraine has to evolve more for ODI and Tests where he has to plan batsman dismissals and this is difficult, as Mendis found out. Ashwin was a T20 specialist before he became a regular in all 3 formats and he too has been found out, to some extent in Australia. The T20WC in Sri Lanka will be interesting as all teams will fancy their chances. In fact India may have to choose youth over experience for T20WC.

  • on July 17, 2012, 19:28 GMT

    @Ashik Imran...That battle will happen considering that both BAN-WEST will be playing eachother later during the year in a full series but it won't happen in the crazy spin wicket of Chittagong because the stadium at Chittagong is going under intense work for the buildup of the World T20 Championship in 2014.

  • on July 17, 2012, 18:44 GMT

    I like Nigel Bradshaw's 11,it has merit. There are some different options one could consider, Russel instead of DJ Bravo, or Deonarine instead of both, lets face it the wickets in the WI right now are better for spin. Another consideration is to considider Best/Roach with Delron Johnson, left handed, tall, can swing the ball both ways. What would a big score from Kirk Edwards do?

  • whatawicket on July 17, 2012, 18:40 GMT

    we know what the windies wickets will be like for the next 10 years.

  • on July 17, 2012, 17:42 GMT

    I would make one change to current team. Permual in for Charles.

  • on July 17, 2012, 17:24 GMT

    i think they should not play narine in the test series yet.. just keep him after the T20 world cup

  • on July 17, 2012, 17:17 GMT

    There are a few bright spots to a generally weak team. Let's not go overboard with too much praise. The top of the order still needs major work. Remember what Bangladesh did to the Kiwis.

  • on July 17, 2012, 16:12 GMT

    I am really waiting to see a Shakib vs Narine fight in the Chittagong Pitch....... that would be a very low scoring game that's for sure...........

  • on July 17, 2012, 15:50 GMT

    What foolish talk coming from a captain. What does he mean by saying Narine is unplayable? That is the kind of talk that destroys young and upcoming talented cricketers, because they are made to feel that they have arrived. Note the similar sentiments when Darren Bravo started to shine. now he must go refind himself. For heaven's sake, W I needs a CAPTAIN! He keeps batting ahead of Russell. Why? He is not as good nor better. sammy is a lest than ordinary cricketer on fiel and before the microphone.

  • silverline15 on July 17, 2012, 15:38 GMT

    Nadrine has the potential to be one of the great spinners of his time, but it will take hard work and continuous variation changes. The West Indies has shown some improvement in the last few months, but I think that the batting need a genuine batter in the top order. Smith should open and either Darren Bravo if fit or Sarwan or Chanderpaul to join Samuels in the top order. Keep it up West Indies.

  • on July 17, 2012, 15:35 GMT

    Narine is still new on the world stage .. the batsmen will soon start reading him and the ''mystery'' element in his bowling will be no more. how he reacts to this challenge will decide if he will end up being a long term asset for the Windies or fade away like Ajantha Mendis did .

  • on July 17, 2012, 15:06 GMT

    I think that none have heeded the opening words of Darren Sammy - new Windies cricket pitches support spin, and we need deliver that type of attack SOON. In all recent cricket played by the Windies, our spinners have done well. That being said, the batsmen need to be picked as a group together PERSISTENTLY now, especially when you consider that the problems re: the WIPA and WICB seem to have temporarily evaporated. Gayle is back, and smart management would entreat him and Chanderpaul to have Sarwan re-consider his present stance re: Gibson. We must also work on the remaining points in building the team, inclusive of a smart rotational system to ensure we sustain our players on tour and are not left with the problems that we encountered in England. This may work in tandem with developing players for the last two vacancies; onother established opener and a wicketkeeper/batsman. Gayle, Powell, Chanderpaul, Samuels, DJ Bravo, Sammy, Ramdin, Roach, Best, Narine and Shillingford!!! MY TEAM!

  • BinduKumar on July 17, 2012, 15:05 GMT

    Sammy isnt good enough for test team...may be he can make way for another spinner in the playing 11 ..Bishoo fits the bill well..

  • on July 17, 2012, 15:04 GMT

    First 2 wins brought to you by Gayle and the last two by Narine (with some small cameos by Samuels and Russel). Rest of the team is basically useless. Both Gayle and Narine were IPL sensations. So, looks like IPL is doing great in building the confidence of foreign players and has contributed way more to WI cricket than Sammy-Gibson has.

  • on July 17, 2012, 15:02 GMT

    So what r we going to do? R we going to fight with tricks or let nature take its course? Don't play Narine in the test series. I'll play Narine in test cricket after the World T20 tournament in Sept. WI have a host of other good spinners to take care of NZ. Eg Benn, Bishoo, Permaul, Shane, Miller, etc. Food for thought.

  • Rally_Windies on July 17, 2012, 14:59 GMT

    In my mind Sammy has just proven that he is a better captain (if not a better human being) than Chris Gayle...

    Narine impressed Sammy when in the regional competition he blew Sammy's Winward's Island team out of the water ...

    Gayle would have quite the opposite reaction ... anyone who blows Jamaica out of the water gets banned for life by Chris Gayle ....

    Does anyone remember the Sanford 20/20 ... When Dave Mohommed played 3 games for WI alls stars and Gayle was captain but Gayle refused to let him bowl or bat. Mohommed was a professional fielder for all 3 games .. Even Sarawan was given a bowl but no overs for Dave,,,,

    All just to spite Dave, because he took 5 wickets against Jamaica in the regional 20/20 (as T&T won). Gayle was so angry that T&T beat Jamaica , because of Dave's bowling. that Chris made a fool of Dave in the West Indies Super Star team....

    that is what the manner of man that was WI captain .... Chris Gayle the superstar "CHILD" ....

  • YorkshirePudding on July 17, 2012, 14:40 GMT

    @insightfulcricketer, at the moment hes very much a new face just as Mendis was, once players have had a sight of him he may go the same way as Mendis did. Also So far hes played an Inexperienced Australian ODI side and an even poorer Kiwi side that was missing the majority of its experienced players through injury. Lets wait until hes played all the teams in all conditions before rushing to say hes special.

  • FredBoycott on July 17, 2012, 14:33 GMT

    The only mystery about Narine, is why he gets picked for Test Cricket. He is clearly not ready. Needs to play some 'proper' cricket to learn his trade before moving up. Moving from T20 to Test Cricket is a step too for for the lad.

  • boxer44 on July 17, 2012, 14:29 GMT

    Why was Narine player of the series he took 13 wickets to Russell's 10 but Russell also had batting average of over 130. Once again a trini get the accolades. Well personally i would like to thank Russell for winning this series.

  • muffy_55 on July 17, 2012, 14:23 GMT

    Narine rocks....fantastic bowler...And yes I agree he should go ahead and better Murali's record...I can sense the mighty WI hitting back in the next two years...the side now looks a bit formidable, but the only problem is the bench strength.

  • 777aditya on July 17, 2012, 14:22 GMT

    still cant understand why Russell bats at 9 - if Jadeja (India's best all rounder!!) can bat at 7, Russell is much better placed - he should bat higher, at least at 7 ahead of Sammy and the keeper. WI have managed to convincingly win the series - now they should build their team from here and aim first at the T20 WC and then the 50 over WC - surely the potential is there to formulate an unbeatable team - can throw in a spinner though (like Jadeja!!!!)

  • Percy_Fender on July 17, 2012, 14:20 GMT

    In England I think Narine having just come in before the last test match,he had not got used to the weather apart from the length he needed to bowl on those wickets.I am sure if he plays some more times in England he will get accustomed to the weather.One saw him trying to keep his palms warm in the Test he played. It is not easy. Barring Warne Murali and Kumble, spinners from visiting teams have not done too well in England. Narine can take heart from his success. In Tests he should be bowled in short spells to keep him the mystery bowler he is.

  • jmcilhinney on July 17, 2012, 14:19 GMT

    I'm looking forward to seeing England play Narine on his home turf. He was obviously ineffective in England, as most of us England fans predicted he would be based on the conditions, but he's obviously a different proposition on turning tracks. England obviously have a poor reputation playing spin but they did handle Ajmal and co far better in the limited-overs series than in the Test matches. I'm hoping that they can continue that against Narine in WI.

  • robert-winworld-cricket-fan on July 17, 2012, 14:05 GMT

    England had perfect conditions to nullify Narine - wet n cold - start/stop cricket. How is the spinner going to grip the ball? Easier to hold it straight n hit the seam or have it swing in the air shining one side of the ball. As we see England outside did not look very great.

  • on July 17, 2012, 13:22 GMT

    Please don't make Narine play tests. He is more useful in shorter formats. 5 months of hard work and 7 months of rest.

  • insightfulcricketer on July 17, 2012, 12:45 GMT

    Narine will thrive on pitches where the pitch bites - a slightly to very dry pitch. In IPL he was able to make almost all Indian players struggle with the one that bites. Indian cricket has seen them all in their hey-days Murali,Warne ,Kumble etc and this guy is special. In England also Bell and Kevin initially had a problem and if I recall there was a dropped catch off him by short leg in his first couple of overs what that might have done is a matter of conjecture now.But definitely the pitch had no bite so it did not help him either .Narine is special and as longs as he finds a plan for when the pitches are not helpful will make him go the next step higher in cricketing sweepstakes.

  • gloriouscricket on July 17, 2012, 12:40 GMT

    Cricketing fans throughout the diaspora understands that when the WI win, it bodes well for the cricketing fraternity. The WI brings excitement to the game; The opposition seems to relish winning against them, thats why the series victories against the NZ is something special.The team lift their game when they needed to,Bravo, Russell,Samuels & Sunil NARINE, along with Cgayle were good to excellent[Russell/NARINE.Bravo & Smith need to be consistent, they are seniors players whom the youngsters look to for leadership.Darren Sammy has earned his stripes, he still has more to contribute; I would like to see The team with 2 different cpts. for various formats.We are not world beaters yet,the top of the order is still not clicking, fielding needs to be improved,bowlers must stop using the short ball for entertainment,it,s a good move when used effectively. Anyways it is good to see Sammy raising the cup high;We so needed the lift.Lets go to the test arena,this is the Game.Play ball.

  • FreeD on July 17, 2012, 12:28 GMT

    We needed this win, and the guys delivered at 4-1. For the next few days to the 1st Test, it allows West Indian fans the time to savour a rare series win. Lest we forget that all the teams claiming dominant wins against us have done so by very low margins in the past few months. Undoubtedly the current WI ODI side has benefited from the IPL greatly. The West Indian star players from the IPL, who operated as professionals in that league, must now learn to play together as a unit in the West Indies team. This process has begun and I look forward to its positive continuation.

  • SDHM on July 17, 2012, 10:58 GMT

    Conditions undeniably help, but I think the main reason is that New Zealand don't seem to be able to pick him! He certainly didn't get any assistance from the pitches over here in England, but from watching it seemed to me that our batsmen actually had no problems in reading his deliveries, whereas the Black Caps are really struggling. Watching NZ against him reminds me of watching us in the UAE against Ajmal - unsure of which way the ball is going, they struggle to move their feet and are stuck on the crease, prodding and poking about. It raises an interesting point; how on earth is it that one team seem to be able to analyse him and work out a strategy, and another one, with all the same footage available, can't?

  • veerakannadiga on July 17, 2012, 10:16 GMT

    with some experience Sunil will be unplayable anywhere. He will better Murali's record. Lots of Love from India.

  • BellCurve on July 17, 2012, 9:36 GMT

    Wow! Narine has some seriously good numbers. I know it is early days, but if what he has achieved in the last 12 months is a true reflection of his innate ability we may be looking at the next Kumble or even the next Murali/Warne. I am looking forward to tracking his progress and seeing him in action over the next few years!

  • on July 17, 2012, 9:16 GMT

    The West Indies is starting to look like a team with character. They still have the problem of the top and middle order not clicking together. They have found stability in the tail and needs to keep Andre Russell as a genuine all-rounder. He has proven himself. It will be nice to see Chanderpaul in the World Cup squad. They need a solid opening pair and it will be a good idea to experiment with two seniors at the top, maybe Gayle and Chanderpaul. The West Indies spinners are more effective than the pacers so it will be a good thing if Narine can partner with Bishoo or Shillingford, or even Benn sometimes. There is enough genuine allrounders to support the spinners. Dwayne Bravo proved to be valuable. West Indies need a mix at the top to support Gayle, Samuel, and Chanderpaul and can rotate players like Dwayne Bravo, Smith, Darren, Pollard, Barath, and Kirk based on match performance.

  • Meety on July 17, 2012, 9:00 GMT

    Well I know the Ozzys didn't find him easy - not sure if I'd say unplayable, but very dangerous. @riverlime/Warren Mendes - my preference is for the WIndies to return to their glory days of great pace bowling combinations - however to get to that, they need to do something about their pitches. The pitches are meaning that very few batsmen are able to play decent innings domestically in the WIndies & it is getting harder for pace bowlers to be putting their name forward. Hate to see the WIndies end up like say India or Bangladesh, almost totally barren when it comes to pacers.

  • riverlime on July 17, 2012, 8:30 GMT

    Warren, I sincerely hope you are wrong about WICB's aversion to two spinners, although in my heart I fear you are right. I understand the need to overwhelm a batsman with irresistible force, but on a turning track, there is no finer sight than a proud warrior batsman reduced to a snivelling blind child by a dipping , spitting 5 oz ball.

  • on July 17, 2012, 8:14 GMT

    Westindies has improved alot in last few months they should bring darren smith as opener with chris gayle and remaining batting order the same as it is .... also they need to bring sarwan as to make there middle order strong for coming t20 world cup. i think they have got perfect combination of bowling and batting with an ideal captain as well...... Well done Westindies....

  • on July 17, 2012, 7:47 GMT

    To answer riverlime, I doubt that the WI selectors will ever put two true spinner in the same side, as they are still married to the old glory days concept of a West Indies pace attack. But I agree that the combination of Bishoo, Narine and Roach could be lethal. As for a top order batsman, I think that Smith will improve, and Kirk Edwards should be given another chance. Simmons and Powell and Charles still need a lot of work.And Sarwan should be copsed back.

  • on July 17, 2012, 7:46 GMT

    Forgot about Bishoo! Where is he? That guy could be a star! Yes WI are on the up and up, wanna see them play against stronger opposition now.

  • satish619chandar on July 17, 2012, 7:26 GMT

    Bring Gayle back to tests.. Gayle, Barath, Kirk/Darren B, Samuels, Chanderpaul, Deonarine/Nash, thomas/Ramdin, Sammy, Roach, Narine, Rampaul..

  • on July 17, 2012, 7:00 GMT

    England and Australia are the top two sides in test cricket. WI did well to draw the One Day series against Australia, the no.1 ODI team. So winning so comprehensively against NZ was no fluke. English conditions are pretty difficult to adapt to for any visiting team. WI have certainly learn't from that. From here I can see that WI are on track to improve and be more like a mid level team if not top level in tests, ODI and T20 cricket. Well done WI keep up the good work.

  • riverlime on July 17, 2012, 6:46 GMT

    Now, where is Bishoo, the ICC emerging player of 2011? Surely he and Narine could stitch together a mesmerising spin attack, with some punishing pace from Best and Roach or some swing from Rampaul and Russell. For the first time in more than a decade, WI bowling cupboard looks full. If only it is used well. Next problem.........find Gayle a batting partner at the top of the order.

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  • riverlime on July 17, 2012, 6:46 GMT

    Now, where is Bishoo, the ICC emerging player of 2011? Surely he and Narine could stitch together a mesmerising spin attack, with some punishing pace from Best and Roach or some swing from Rampaul and Russell. For the first time in more than a decade, WI bowling cupboard looks full. If only it is used well. Next problem.........find Gayle a batting partner at the top of the order.

  • on July 17, 2012, 7:00 GMT

    England and Australia are the top two sides in test cricket. WI did well to draw the One Day series against Australia, the no.1 ODI team. So winning so comprehensively against NZ was no fluke. English conditions are pretty difficult to adapt to for any visiting team. WI have certainly learn't from that. From here I can see that WI are on track to improve and be more like a mid level team if not top level in tests, ODI and T20 cricket. Well done WI keep up the good work.

  • satish619chandar on July 17, 2012, 7:26 GMT

    Bring Gayle back to tests.. Gayle, Barath, Kirk/Darren B, Samuels, Chanderpaul, Deonarine/Nash, thomas/Ramdin, Sammy, Roach, Narine, Rampaul..

  • on July 17, 2012, 7:46 GMT

    Forgot about Bishoo! Where is he? That guy could be a star! Yes WI are on the up and up, wanna see them play against stronger opposition now.

  • on July 17, 2012, 7:47 GMT

    To answer riverlime, I doubt that the WI selectors will ever put two true spinner in the same side, as they are still married to the old glory days concept of a West Indies pace attack. But I agree that the combination of Bishoo, Narine and Roach could be lethal. As for a top order batsman, I think that Smith will improve, and Kirk Edwards should be given another chance. Simmons and Powell and Charles still need a lot of work.And Sarwan should be copsed back.

  • on July 17, 2012, 8:14 GMT

    Westindies has improved alot in last few months they should bring darren smith as opener with chris gayle and remaining batting order the same as it is .... also they need to bring sarwan as to make there middle order strong for coming t20 world cup. i think they have got perfect combination of bowling and batting with an ideal captain as well...... Well done Westindies....

  • riverlime on July 17, 2012, 8:30 GMT

    Warren, I sincerely hope you are wrong about WICB's aversion to two spinners, although in my heart I fear you are right. I understand the need to overwhelm a batsman with irresistible force, but on a turning track, there is no finer sight than a proud warrior batsman reduced to a snivelling blind child by a dipping , spitting 5 oz ball.

  • Meety on July 17, 2012, 9:00 GMT

    Well I know the Ozzys didn't find him easy - not sure if I'd say unplayable, but very dangerous. @riverlime/Warren Mendes - my preference is for the WIndies to return to their glory days of great pace bowling combinations - however to get to that, they need to do something about their pitches. The pitches are meaning that very few batsmen are able to play decent innings domestically in the WIndies & it is getting harder for pace bowlers to be putting their name forward. Hate to see the WIndies end up like say India or Bangladesh, almost totally barren when it comes to pacers.

  • on July 17, 2012, 9:16 GMT

    The West Indies is starting to look like a team with character. They still have the problem of the top and middle order not clicking together. They have found stability in the tail and needs to keep Andre Russell as a genuine all-rounder. He has proven himself. It will be nice to see Chanderpaul in the World Cup squad. They need a solid opening pair and it will be a good idea to experiment with two seniors at the top, maybe Gayle and Chanderpaul. The West Indies spinners are more effective than the pacers so it will be a good thing if Narine can partner with Bishoo or Shillingford, or even Benn sometimes. There is enough genuine allrounders to support the spinners. Dwayne Bravo proved to be valuable. West Indies need a mix at the top to support Gayle, Samuel, and Chanderpaul and can rotate players like Dwayne Bravo, Smith, Darren, Pollard, Barath, and Kirk based on match performance.

  • BellCurve on July 17, 2012, 9:36 GMT

    Wow! Narine has some seriously good numbers. I know it is early days, but if what he has achieved in the last 12 months is a true reflection of his innate ability we may be looking at the next Kumble or even the next Murali/Warne. I am looking forward to tracking his progress and seeing him in action over the next few years!