Australia news December 22, 2011

Rod Marsh to coach the coaches

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Rod Marsh, the Australia selector, will "coach the coaches" in a newly created Cricket Australia role designed to ensure a unified approach to mentoring players across the states.

In a mild divergence from the Argus review, Marsh will have the oversight originally intended for the head coach, Mickey Arthur.

However the duo will work closely on the formulation of strategies to ensure that players emerge through the states with messages about their development that are consistent with those of the national team.

"I've basically taken one page out from the Argus review in terms of the national coaching system, effectively to say we need to make sure our coaching pathway, or accreditation, and how the coaching philosophy and how it is drilled out throughout the country, is done well," Pat Howard, the team performance manager, told ESPNcricinfo.

"Part of that involves someone that could engage former players and mentoring capacities and where appropriate coaching capacities. There weren't many blokes I could think of that could do that better than Rod Marsh. His ability to engage with players at all levels is pretty high."

Marsh's role will also allow him to call in consultants from far and wide when needed, as befits a man with one of the deepest contact books in world cricket. He will work closely with the Centre of Excellence, the subject of much criticism from the states in the interviews that led to the Argus review.

"He's verymuch engaged with trying to connect that, working with Troy Cooley who he's worked with before at the England academy," Howard said. "He will work closely with Mickey, he will work closely with Troy Cooley, and hopefully supplementing that his coaching guys with those former players."

The coaching overseer's position follows on from similar roles Marsh held at the Cricket Academy in Australia in the 1990s, then with England from 2002-05 and more recently with the ICC global academy in Dubai.

"I'm looking forward to this role and believe that it will be a nice fit with my position on the National Selection Panel," Marsh said. "I've been coaching cricket for more than 20 years and this is a great opportunity to work with the elite coaches around the country.

"It's important that we develop our coaches as well as our players and this role will include developing a clear coaching pathway from junior teams, to representative teams, right through to the national team level."

Daniel Brettig is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • POSTED BY LesGrossman on | December 23, 2011, 12:04 GMT

    @RandyOz, I agree, Artur is no good. Whoever thinks he did good here in Western Australia needs to have a rethink about that. Anybody whom gets Saj Mahmood as there Big Bash import, then Paul Collingwood as the next season's import... well I rest my case. As someone who does paid private batting coaching, I will not be changing my ways, no matter what Cricket Australia and Rodney Marsh say.

  • POSTED BY satish619chandar on | December 23, 2011, 6:01 GMT

    Atleast they could have named the position as Mentor or given a new name.. Coach of coaches looks very silly.. @Meety.. It is naturally, the job of selector to be in line with the state teams.. Marsh is already a selector and getting in sync with the domestic teams is a part of his job.. @Gizza and Randyoz.. Choking culture was not bought by Arthur.. 47 all out was the ultimate panic i ve ever seen!! He just lead a team which is already under performing and just continued under him.. Australia's only hope will be Indian bowlers who were not in decent form until now.. If i was a Aussie fan, i would pray Indians should not bowl like they did in SA and do like they did in England..

  • POSTED BY Meety on | December 23, 2011, 0:24 GMT

    @ youngkeepersdad - "Therefore "coaching for coaches" is not quite as stupid as it sounds" - i agree it is definately not as stupid as it sounds. It is a common practise in business, & plenty of Football codes have coaching directors who spend time with the juniors to the reserves as well as firsts. == == == The funny thing about some of these comments is that people are failing to see that it is about ensuring the States are in line with the National structure. Bringing in-line some issues like with Pattinson & Siddle beeing taught back of length at Victoria, but full for the Baggy Green.

  • POSTED BY KTiwari on | December 22, 2011, 18:44 GMT

    Coach of the coach but who is going to coach Rod Marsh so that he can coach other coaches... :))

  • POSTED BY on | December 22, 2011, 14:16 GMT

    Good, now Aussie needs "Selectors of selectors" & " Captains of captain". But someone still have bowl and bat ! any hey how about umpires of umpire ! LOL

  • POSTED BY Cpt.Meanster on | December 22, 2011, 13:13 GMT

    While I don't think Australia has anyone of class left to coach the team... I feel Mickey can do a decent job. He did a decent job with the South Africans and then worked well with WA. He knows the players well and it seems Clarke is alright with him as coach. It doesn't matter whom you appoint as coach. It's up to each individual player to address his strong and weak points. Nobody should be TAUGHT at international level. If players expect to be sat down and taught HOW to play cricket then I am sorry... I don't care how good the guy is.. he doesn't belong at the level. This coach of coaches is a weird approach. One will have to wait and see what's going to happen.

  • POSTED BY on | December 22, 2011, 12:44 GMT

    @randy oz don't expect things to fall in place overnight as it won't happen . Kirsten ,a south african was the coach of India from 2008-2011 and look what had happened .India were the no1 test side for close to 2 years and are the world cup champions . I am proud to say this that he did not bring choking culture in to our system . It is not easy for any team to defeat India in fact it is always difficult as the team is comprised of greats and they know their game better . You guys had Buchanan as your coach from 1999-2007 and Nielsen from 2007-2011 ? how many times did you manage to win against us in a test series 1999 3-0 , 2004 2-1 and 2007-2008 2-1 in a controversy marred series .India won against you guys in 2001 , drew the series in 2003-2004 ( epic series), 2008 and 2010 - 4:3 . Australia did not win a single test against after the in famous sydney test and you had an australian as your coach till 2011 . Give Arthur a break bloke . I am sure he will not let the team plummet

  • POSTED BY RandyOZ on | December 22, 2011, 12:17 GMT

    @Gizza - I am glad that I am not the only one seeing it happen before our eyes. We've been set back 5 years from this decision.

  • POSTED BY Gizza on | December 22, 2011, 11:26 GMT

    Being a "coach of the coaches" sounds a bit like red tape unless it is focused on the junior levels. Surely the national side doesn't need a coach which is being mentored by another coach? Even the first coach (in this case Arthur) should just be an assistant by throwing down balls during the net sessions and maybe provide some mental support when a player is in bad form. I tend to be in the Warne/Ian Chappell camp and don't think a coach can do much more than that let alone another person monitoring the coach. @RandyOZ, interesting that since Arthur became coach Australia couldn't finish off the Kiwis and instead lost the last match in the series from the jaws of victory. Reminded me of the South African choke which happened less than a month before then. If Micky continues to bring a choking culture to the Australian team a drawn 2-2 or 1-1 result for the Border-Gavaskar seems the odds on favourite lol!

  • POSTED BY hhillbumper on | December 22, 2011, 11:04 GMT

    some of you really don't rate Arthur at all do you.You have had Aussie coaches for last 3 years and it has not excatly gone well for you has it? The reality is that you had some all time players and now you don't.

  • POSTED BY LesGrossman on | December 23, 2011, 12:04 GMT

    @RandyOz, I agree, Artur is no good. Whoever thinks he did good here in Western Australia needs to have a rethink about that. Anybody whom gets Saj Mahmood as there Big Bash import, then Paul Collingwood as the next season's import... well I rest my case. As someone who does paid private batting coaching, I will not be changing my ways, no matter what Cricket Australia and Rodney Marsh say.

  • POSTED BY satish619chandar on | December 23, 2011, 6:01 GMT

    Atleast they could have named the position as Mentor or given a new name.. Coach of coaches looks very silly.. @Meety.. It is naturally, the job of selector to be in line with the state teams.. Marsh is already a selector and getting in sync with the domestic teams is a part of his job.. @Gizza and Randyoz.. Choking culture was not bought by Arthur.. 47 all out was the ultimate panic i ve ever seen!! He just lead a team which is already under performing and just continued under him.. Australia's only hope will be Indian bowlers who were not in decent form until now.. If i was a Aussie fan, i would pray Indians should not bowl like they did in SA and do like they did in England..

  • POSTED BY Meety on | December 23, 2011, 0:24 GMT

    @ youngkeepersdad - "Therefore "coaching for coaches" is not quite as stupid as it sounds" - i agree it is definately not as stupid as it sounds. It is a common practise in business, & plenty of Football codes have coaching directors who spend time with the juniors to the reserves as well as firsts. == == == The funny thing about some of these comments is that people are failing to see that it is about ensuring the States are in line with the National structure. Bringing in-line some issues like with Pattinson & Siddle beeing taught back of length at Victoria, but full for the Baggy Green.

  • POSTED BY KTiwari on | December 22, 2011, 18:44 GMT

    Coach of the coach but who is going to coach Rod Marsh so that he can coach other coaches... :))

  • POSTED BY on | December 22, 2011, 14:16 GMT

    Good, now Aussie needs "Selectors of selectors" & " Captains of captain". But someone still have bowl and bat ! any hey how about umpires of umpire ! LOL

  • POSTED BY Cpt.Meanster on | December 22, 2011, 13:13 GMT

    While I don't think Australia has anyone of class left to coach the team... I feel Mickey can do a decent job. He did a decent job with the South Africans and then worked well with WA. He knows the players well and it seems Clarke is alright with him as coach. It doesn't matter whom you appoint as coach. It's up to each individual player to address his strong and weak points. Nobody should be TAUGHT at international level. If players expect to be sat down and taught HOW to play cricket then I am sorry... I don't care how good the guy is.. he doesn't belong at the level. This coach of coaches is a weird approach. One will have to wait and see what's going to happen.

  • POSTED BY on | December 22, 2011, 12:44 GMT

    @randy oz don't expect things to fall in place overnight as it won't happen . Kirsten ,a south african was the coach of India from 2008-2011 and look what had happened .India were the no1 test side for close to 2 years and are the world cup champions . I am proud to say this that he did not bring choking culture in to our system . It is not easy for any team to defeat India in fact it is always difficult as the team is comprised of greats and they know their game better . You guys had Buchanan as your coach from 1999-2007 and Nielsen from 2007-2011 ? how many times did you manage to win against us in a test series 1999 3-0 , 2004 2-1 and 2007-2008 2-1 in a controversy marred series .India won against you guys in 2001 , drew the series in 2003-2004 ( epic series), 2008 and 2010 - 4:3 . Australia did not win a single test against after the in famous sydney test and you had an australian as your coach till 2011 . Give Arthur a break bloke . I am sure he will not let the team plummet

  • POSTED BY RandyOZ on | December 22, 2011, 12:17 GMT

    @Gizza - I am glad that I am not the only one seeing it happen before our eyes. We've been set back 5 years from this decision.

  • POSTED BY Gizza on | December 22, 2011, 11:26 GMT

    Being a "coach of the coaches" sounds a bit like red tape unless it is focused on the junior levels. Surely the national side doesn't need a coach which is being mentored by another coach? Even the first coach (in this case Arthur) should just be an assistant by throwing down balls during the net sessions and maybe provide some mental support when a player is in bad form. I tend to be in the Warne/Ian Chappell camp and don't think a coach can do much more than that let alone another person monitoring the coach. @RandyOZ, interesting that since Arthur became coach Australia couldn't finish off the Kiwis and instead lost the last match in the series from the jaws of victory. Reminded me of the South African choke which happened less than a month before then. If Micky continues to bring a choking culture to the Australian team a drawn 2-2 or 1-1 result for the Border-Gavaskar seems the odds on favourite lol!

  • POSTED BY hhillbumper on | December 22, 2011, 11:04 GMT

    some of you really don't rate Arthur at all do you.You have had Aussie coaches for last 3 years and it has not excatly gone well for you has it? The reality is that you had some all time players and now you don't.

  • POSTED BY Matt. on | December 22, 2011, 11:00 GMT

    calm down @RandyOZ, Mickey has been in for 2 minutes, I would say it's a little too early to tell what effect he's having on the team, don't ya think?

  • POSTED BY jonesy2 on | December 22, 2011, 10:27 GMT

    good concept. rod surely will do no wrong no matter his role. all we need is DK lillee in some sort of mentoring role and then thommo in a "how to be an absolute mad bloke" role.

  • POSTED BY mick82 on | December 22, 2011, 5:08 GMT

    Iv had a whinge about this before, but why do these blokes clear off to england to set up coaching academies and give away our trade secrets for a tidy salary. It aint right!

  • POSTED BY HatsforBats on | December 22, 2011, 4:11 GMT

    This is very good news, Marsh has done some much lauded work in Adelaide and England and he'll be great in this role. Also happy with the concession to the Argus review, Arthur should be concentrating as much as possible on being the coach of the Aus team; his first priority may well be deciding how to go about culingl the dead weight and rebuild the team.

  • POSTED BY Meety on | December 22, 2011, 3:49 GMT

    Yes, even better use of Rod. Pat Howard is bringing some good old fashioned Rugby know-how to the job!

  • POSTED BY RandyOZ on | December 22, 2011, 3:29 GMT

    Pathetic. They are only installing Marsh because they can already see how much of a plague Arthur is becoming. I think it is obvious how bad an effect Arthur is having on the team and he should be sacked at once, and Marsh be made coach.

  • POSTED BY ygkd on | December 22, 2011, 3:22 GMT

    Consistency and communication are key for any coach. It really doesn't matter how much experience and expertise someone has, if they can't communicate effectively and tend to send mixed messages, they won't succeed. Then there's the baby-with-the-bathwater technique - get a new up-and-coming charge and try and cancel a fair chunk of the coaching that's gone into getting them thus far in the first place, because after all, you know far better. So that brings another word beginning with C - compromise. An uncompromising coach will have startling successes and even more startling failures, generally plenty of them, because the one-size-fits-all approach can never truly work. Therefore "coaching for coaches" is not quite as stupid as it sounds.

  • POSTED BY farkin on | December 22, 2011, 2:41 GMT

    when are they going to get a coach for the captains to coach them how to captain a side ?

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  • POSTED BY farkin on | December 22, 2011, 2:41 GMT

    when are they going to get a coach for the captains to coach them how to captain a side ?

  • POSTED BY ygkd on | December 22, 2011, 3:22 GMT

    Consistency and communication are key for any coach. It really doesn't matter how much experience and expertise someone has, if they can't communicate effectively and tend to send mixed messages, they won't succeed. Then there's the baby-with-the-bathwater technique - get a new up-and-coming charge and try and cancel a fair chunk of the coaching that's gone into getting them thus far in the first place, because after all, you know far better. So that brings another word beginning with C - compromise. An uncompromising coach will have startling successes and even more startling failures, generally plenty of them, because the one-size-fits-all approach can never truly work. Therefore "coaching for coaches" is not quite as stupid as it sounds.

  • POSTED BY RandyOZ on | December 22, 2011, 3:29 GMT

    Pathetic. They are only installing Marsh because they can already see how much of a plague Arthur is becoming. I think it is obvious how bad an effect Arthur is having on the team and he should be sacked at once, and Marsh be made coach.

  • POSTED BY Meety on | December 22, 2011, 3:49 GMT

    Yes, even better use of Rod. Pat Howard is bringing some good old fashioned Rugby know-how to the job!

  • POSTED BY HatsforBats on | December 22, 2011, 4:11 GMT

    This is very good news, Marsh has done some much lauded work in Adelaide and England and he'll be great in this role. Also happy with the concession to the Argus review, Arthur should be concentrating as much as possible on being the coach of the Aus team; his first priority may well be deciding how to go about culingl the dead weight and rebuild the team.

  • POSTED BY mick82 on | December 22, 2011, 5:08 GMT

    Iv had a whinge about this before, but why do these blokes clear off to england to set up coaching academies and give away our trade secrets for a tidy salary. It aint right!

  • POSTED BY jonesy2 on | December 22, 2011, 10:27 GMT

    good concept. rod surely will do no wrong no matter his role. all we need is DK lillee in some sort of mentoring role and then thommo in a "how to be an absolute mad bloke" role.

  • POSTED BY Matt. on | December 22, 2011, 11:00 GMT

    calm down @RandyOZ, Mickey has been in for 2 minutes, I would say it's a little too early to tell what effect he's having on the team, don't ya think?

  • POSTED BY hhillbumper on | December 22, 2011, 11:04 GMT

    some of you really don't rate Arthur at all do you.You have had Aussie coaches for last 3 years and it has not excatly gone well for you has it? The reality is that you had some all time players and now you don't.

  • POSTED BY Gizza on | December 22, 2011, 11:26 GMT

    Being a "coach of the coaches" sounds a bit like red tape unless it is focused on the junior levels. Surely the national side doesn't need a coach which is being mentored by another coach? Even the first coach (in this case Arthur) should just be an assistant by throwing down balls during the net sessions and maybe provide some mental support when a player is in bad form. I tend to be in the Warne/Ian Chappell camp and don't think a coach can do much more than that let alone another person monitoring the coach. @RandyOZ, interesting that since Arthur became coach Australia couldn't finish off the Kiwis and instead lost the last match in the series from the jaws of victory. Reminded me of the South African choke which happened less than a month before then. If Micky continues to bring a choking culture to the Australian team a drawn 2-2 or 1-1 result for the Border-Gavaskar seems the odds on favourite lol!