Australia news August 21, 2013

Arthur reveals two-series strategy

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Australia's former coach Mickey Arthur has revealed the tourists planned to inflict damage and gain intelligence on England in the away series before pushing hardest to regain the Ashes in the return bout at home. He also said the 3-0 scoreline would not have changed irrespective of selections because "that is what we've got at the moment".

While the new coach Darren Lehmann had stated before the series that his objective was simply to "win, win, win", there had been some suggestions that Cricket Australia would be content with a competitive showing in England, provided the home matches would reap a winning result. Arthur confirmed that he and the captain Michael Clarke had been talking in terms of using the first series to prepare for the second.

"We had a goal that I will reveal. We wanted to try to push England really hard in England, but we wanted to win in Australia, this is what Michael and I wanted to do," Arthur told ABC Radio. "We didn't go into the series ever to lose it, but we wanted to develop enough intelligence on all the England players, we had a lot but there was going to be some current stuff we could use.

"We were going to really push them close, give the players in our team the confidence to see that England could get beaten, and then go for them in Australia. That was how we wanted to go about our escapade there. You could have put anybody in [the team], the results were going to be the results because that is what we've got at the moment. That is the current crop of players. But as coaches it's such a good challenge because there's so much unfulfilled potential that you can make better."

Arthur was not the only senior CA figure pushing this view before the start of the series, and some players are understood to have been taken aback by the attitude when they assembled together in Bristol before the tour officially began. It remains to be seen whether the current leadership of Clarke and Lehmann have managed to glean enough from this series to help them at home.

Looking back on his time as coach, a period ended suddenly in England before the Ashes tour and then played out acrimoniously in a legal battle with CA over severance payments, Arthur said a 4-0 defeat in India and its associated disciplinary problems had been a major blow. For that he cited the BCCI's desire to avenge an identical series ledger in Australia in 2011-12, duly preparing pitches to suit the purpose.

"India was a really tough tour for us in so many ways. I've been privileged to tour India a couple of times and those were the worst conditions that I'd ever seen," Arthur said. "They hijacked us, and they clearly wanted revenge for the 4-0 series win we had got when they toured here the last time.

"One goes back to the Perth Test where the wicket was green and we played to our strengths and won the Test in two and a half days. They clearly wanted retribution for that and produced some of the toughest conditions I'd ever seen. They went out of their way to prepare those conditions and I can't argue with that."

Despite the circumstances of his departure, Arthur said he had been watching the Ashes series very closely. Too closely, perhaps, for members of his family, who had asked him why he could not let it go. "I've been watching every ball of the Ashes," he said. "My family has been saying 'let it go' and I can't. I've spent too much time with these boys trying to make them better cricketers, I've got to watch it.

"I am talking to the television. The funny thing as a coach is with a trained eye and knowing the psyche of all the players, I can sit and watch something developing and know what's going to happen an over later. I'm going 'don't do that again, keep hitting straight, they're trying to set you up for the lbw ... keep hitting straight, oh across the line, damn lbw again'."

Daniel Brettig is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo. He tweets here

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  • AltafPatel on August 24, 2013, 14:36 GMT

    Arthur took the team to 4-0 in India this year. Lehman climb them to be upper at a stage in 4 out of 5 match in this Ashes. Would have they won the 2 close margin matches and they might be 2-1 up in the series. Whereas Arthur rotated the team series by series, this team seems to be stabilize now there by allowing players to get matured and experienced. Harris, Siddle playing less than few matches recently before Ashes produced the result, Haddin made re-selection right, Warner welcomed to have change of position at 6th to have refreshment, Rogers showed output after getting enough chance to get settled, Smith, and Lyon corrected the expectation. To sum-up them, this team has now got something that they needed to produce the result and they are working towards it.

  • Hammond on August 24, 2013, 1:16 GMT

    Can't say that this has worked. 3-0 is hardly "pushed hard". England have won the series without half the side even firing. They didn't need to..

  • Moutarde on August 23, 2013, 8:01 GMT

    If, in the return series, the Aussies can keep the score anything better than 3-0 to England, then they will have done well and surprised anyone who has seen a lot of both England and Australia over the last few years.

  • Cricket_theBestGame on August 22, 2013, 22:58 GMT

    my question is what accountability CA (sutherland, howard etc) has shown for the mess since the infamous Argus review?

    we blame arthur all we want but at the end of the day he wasn't acting alone. and such was said when sutherland admitted in media that he was being made scapegoat!

    arthur should not come in media anymore. stay away for a while. but media will keep chasing him because thats how the news sell..the juicey inside stuff !

  • Ancient_Mariner on August 22, 2013, 13:41 GMT

    That is not the Australian mentality. The Australian mentality is always to win every single match from any sort of situation.

  • ScottStevo on August 22, 2013, 12:47 GMT

    @Rohit-Sen, that's categorically untrue. After the second test when England's spinners were trashing on India, the pitches were much friendlier for the seamers - where you will see J Anderson and co really started to take wickets. I don't blame India for preparing pitches, they can do whatever they like, but they certainly weren't anywhere near the same conditions for the series against England as they were for Australia. Not even close, as when Aus started failing against the spinners, the decks were worse and worse (worse from an Aus perspective, that is.) As for Arthur, he's said and done more than enough and should disappear with his payout into the darkness somewhere - somewhere far away from the Aus cricket team.

  • CricketChat on August 22, 2013, 12:30 GMT

    Isn't there any confidentiality agreement between CA and Arthur? I don't think it is right for him to reveal all this inside information to public. Seems like he is trying to get back at CA for booting him midway on a tour.

  • hyclass on August 22, 2013, 10:40 GMT

    Isn't this the same Arthur who stated publicly that he was,'unconcerned', by a 4-0 thrashing in India? The same Arthur who demonstrated appalling judgement by 'outing' his players in the media, over bizarre 'homework' requiring his players to judge each others performance, guaranteed to bring antipathy amongst them? The same Arthur who did it on a tour of India, no less, when a siege mentality needs to be adopted by touring sides in one of the worlds' toughest series and environments? The same Arthur who was so poor with WA? The same Arthur who parted company with SA acrimoniously? The same Arthur who publicly feuded with CA over remuneration, despite failing to meet any performance objectives? I opposed his appointment as coach based on character and result issues that information available to the public, proclaimed. I notice no-one from CA is accountable as usual. Surprised?

  • Rohit-Sen on August 22, 2013, 9:10 GMT

    Arthur - India lost to England also 4-0... India also tried to give bad pitches to England and England trounced India. While I agree that the pitches were very spin friendly, it never meant that it was impossible to beat India.

  • Little_Aussie_Battler on August 22, 2013, 8:50 GMT

    Mickey should just go away and keep quiet. This talk is from a man who is trying to salvage his shattered career. Make no bones about it, Arthur oversaw the most disastrous period for our national cricket team in it's entire glorious history.

    What also must be said is too much is made of international cricket coaches. They are happy to take the credit when teams win but are blaming everything under the sun when things go pear shaped as we are hearing from Arthur still even now well after the time the bludger was run off.

    All serious cricket watchers in Australia knew his appointment was odd. Australians invented test match cricket, we simply do not need outsiders telling us how to play cricket. Our people wrote the manuals others follow. Unfortunately the geniuses who brought us the Big Bash League in Cricket Australia were also responsible for his appointment.

    Go away Arthur and hopefully your visa has been cancelled so we are done with you and your childish ploys.

  • AltafPatel on August 24, 2013, 14:36 GMT

    Arthur took the team to 4-0 in India this year. Lehman climb them to be upper at a stage in 4 out of 5 match in this Ashes. Would have they won the 2 close margin matches and they might be 2-1 up in the series. Whereas Arthur rotated the team series by series, this team seems to be stabilize now there by allowing players to get matured and experienced. Harris, Siddle playing less than few matches recently before Ashes produced the result, Haddin made re-selection right, Warner welcomed to have change of position at 6th to have refreshment, Rogers showed output after getting enough chance to get settled, Smith, and Lyon corrected the expectation. To sum-up them, this team has now got something that they needed to produce the result and they are working towards it.

  • Hammond on August 24, 2013, 1:16 GMT

    Can't say that this has worked. 3-0 is hardly "pushed hard". England have won the series without half the side even firing. They didn't need to..

  • Moutarde on August 23, 2013, 8:01 GMT

    If, in the return series, the Aussies can keep the score anything better than 3-0 to England, then they will have done well and surprised anyone who has seen a lot of both England and Australia over the last few years.

  • Cricket_theBestGame on August 22, 2013, 22:58 GMT

    my question is what accountability CA (sutherland, howard etc) has shown for the mess since the infamous Argus review?

    we blame arthur all we want but at the end of the day he wasn't acting alone. and such was said when sutherland admitted in media that he was being made scapegoat!

    arthur should not come in media anymore. stay away for a while. but media will keep chasing him because thats how the news sell..the juicey inside stuff !

  • Ancient_Mariner on August 22, 2013, 13:41 GMT

    That is not the Australian mentality. The Australian mentality is always to win every single match from any sort of situation.

  • ScottStevo on August 22, 2013, 12:47 GMT

    @Rohit-Sen, that's categorically untrue. After the second test when England's spinners were trashing on India, the pitches were much friendlier for the seamers - where you will see J Anderson and co really started to take wickets. I don't blame India for preparing pitches, they can do whatever they like, but they certainly weren't anywhere near the same conditions for the series against England as they were for Australia. Not even close, as when Aus started failing against the spinners, the decks were worse and worse (worse from an Aus perspective, that is.) As for Arthur, he's said and done more than enough and should disappear with his payout into the darkness somewhere - somewhere far away from the Aus cricket team.

  • CricketChat on August 22, 2013, 12:30 GMT

    Isn't there any confidentiality agreement between CA and Arthur? I don't think it is right for him to reveal all this inside information to public. Seems like he is trying to get back at CA for booting him midway on a tour.

  • hyclass on August 22, 2013, 10:40 GMT

    Isn't this the same Arthur who stated publicly that he was,'unconcerned', by a 4-0 thrashing in India? The same Arthur who demonstrated appalling judgement by 'outing' his players in the media, over bizarre 'homework' requiring his players to judge each others performance, guaranteed to bring antipathy amongst them? The same Arthur who did it on a tour of India, no less, when a siege mentality needs to be adopted by touring sides in one of the worlds' toughest series and environments? The same Arthur who was so poor with WA? The same Arthur who parted company with SA acrimoniously? The same Arthur who publicly feuded with CA over remuneration, despite failing to meet any performance objectives? I opposed his appointment as coach based on character and result issues that information available to the public, proclaimed. I notice no-one from CA is accountable as usual. Surprised?

  • Rohit-Sen on August 22, 2013, 9:10 GMT

    Arthur - India lost to England also 4-0... India also tried to give bad pitches to England and England trounced India. While I agree that the pitches were very spin friendly, it never meant that it was impossible to beat India.

  • Little_Aussie_Battler on August 22, 2013, 8:50 GMT

    Mickey should just go away and keep quiet. This talk is from a man who is trying to salvage his shattered career. Make no bones about it, Arthur oversaw the most disastrous period for our national cricket team in it's entire glorious history.

    What also must be said is too much is made of international cricket coaches. They are happy to take the credit when teams win but are blaming everything under the sun when things go pear shaped as we are hearing from Arthur still even now well after the time the bludger was run off.

    All serious cricket watchers in Australia knew his appointment was odd. Australians invented test match cricket, we simply do not need outsiders telling us how to play cricket. Our people wrote the manuals others follow. Unfortunately the geniuses who brought us the Big Bash League in Cricket Australia were also responsible for his appointment.

    Go away Arthur and hopefully your visa has been cancelled so we are done with you and your childish ploys.

  • vswami on August 22, 2013, 8:21 GMT

    We have an Aussie team strategy not to win the series, and Shane Warne says Cook is a defensive captain.

  • PutMarshyOn on August 22, 2013, 8:06 GMT

    Hat's off to him for his obvious commitment. He was harshly done to. Would things have gone the same way if he had an Aussie passport? Still - any management team needs to be judged by results. I mean, just look at the way the international banks have tidied up their acts and ....

  • sharidas on August 22, 2013, 7:43 GMT

    I do sympathise with Arthur. most coaches work to a plan and not being able to it being fulfilled could be frustrating. but, going out with all these disclosures are like saying " i told you so ". As for the conditions in India - What can one expect ? It is an age old thing repeated over and over again. Every team prepares their home pitches to suit their team. Had it not been like that, there would not have been any interest in watching Cricket...either the breed of fast bowlers or spinners would have disappeared.

  • sony_sr on August 22, 2013, 6:58 GMT

    can't stop laughing reading this strategy. may be you guys can continue learning eng players in the aus leg as well. that will improve your knowledge and can be helpfull in the next ashes.

  • Dheepan on August 22, 2013, 6:27 GMT

    I understand Mr Arthur doesn't have a job currently, but what is the point of this article? I side with Warne here, Coaches have the easiest job in the world.. Small technical corrections/suggestions aside, there is no real use for the coach.. With the current Oz side even Don Bradman or God himself as coach, the results of the ashes wouldn't read any different!Test cricket is simple, occupy the pitch while you bat and aim for the good length when you bowl, when a team can't do this regularly, they will suck!

  • kdevil3 on August 22, 2013, 6:11 GMT

    How can U loose one full series to win the other or how can u win one series if u cant win the other.

  • on August 22, 2013, 6:05 GMT

    Australia have seemed to have had good plans for the batsman already, the only batsman they haven't been able to have a plan for is Bell, but then again Bell has managed to fix his own game.

    I think the Intel Australia have obtained, is intel on themselves. They seem to have found out their best batting order (all be it, by accident) to a certain extent and learn more about their seamers like Starc and Bird.

  • stag42 on August 22, 2013, 6:02 GMT

    This epitomises exactly why Mickey Arthur lost the Australian team. The Australian team ALWAYS plays to win, not to pussy-foot around and "gain intelligence on the opposition". Arthur almost admitted defeat before he started and it is no wonder the players were disillusioned when they arrived in the UK if the goal they've always had playing cricket of winning was suddenly changed.

  • RJHB on August 22, 2013, 5:46 GMT

    Good man Arthur, may be an ordinary coach, but you've gotta feel a bit sorry for him. Nothing he's said since his sacking has been wrong in my estimation and his comments here are spot on again. Only a one eyed fool would deny that India didn't do exactly as Arthur is saying for the exact reasons too, but that's not saying Australia weren't absolutely hopeless and India extremely good. It was a complete mirror for the series in Australia, except our pitches were never that bad!

  • proud_indya on August 22, 2013, 5:29 GMT

    I agree with Micky Arthur. The awe inspiring strategy of three defeats out of four tests will most definitely lull England into a sense of complacency. Of all excuses to shield a pathetic Oz performance, this seems the most laughable.

    The losses to India and England are attributable solely to poor batting, which surely does not inspire hopes of phoenix like resurrection Down Under. What will they blame if they are thrashed later this year - the pitch, the conditions, DRS, bad luck, the media or the umpiring? The sooner Arthur, CA, Clarke and Co. shed their hubris, the better.

  • mqry on August 22, 2013, 4:58 GMT

    It may be a realistic assessment of the current Aussie teams capabilities, but you don't go to a series with that defeatist mentality.. And as one of the baseball coaches said "Winning isn't everything; it's the only thing ".

    As for as BCCI preparing spinning pitches, its their prerogative.. Its not that Aussies did not expect it. England won in India with the same kind of surfaces.

  • on August 22, 2013, 4:55 GMT

    Well! What Micky Arthur is saying is rubbish and ludicrous. you don't win test matches by gathering intelligence on players but playing with guts, character and skill.

    A team has to win moments and has to win big moments against a formidable opposition to inflict damage.

    Wow! Today Mickey Arthur revealed why he deserved to be sacked. These theoretical coaches have made cricket complex and confused a generation of players.

    Somebody please explain Mickey that sports is not war.

  • Geeva on August 22, 2013, 4:49 GMT

    What a load of nonsense the pitches in India vs Aus 2013 2013 was not that bad...runs were scored..Aus batting was not good

  • Rangafella on August 22, 2013, 4:09 GMT

    'Lbw again', is that Watson?

  • goldeneraaus on August 22, 2013, 3:55 GMT

    This realistic and pragmatic approach to the series in England makes a lot of sense considering how inexperienced this Australian side is and how far ahead England are in their teams development however it flies in the face of the selections made recently. Certainly throwing Agar in early to see how he would fare suggests they were experimenting early but if you really are using this series as a building block why on earth would you chop and change the batting order every test, changing personell and the order itself? If Australia had kept largely the same batting line up throughout the series (regardless of results) then one could say they are in decent shape, but after this series is over Aus are no closer to knowing their best line up. They have inflicted some blows to Englands batting though, so would do well to prepare some hard bouncy pitches to suit their attack.

  • satishchandar on August 22, 2013, 3:29 GMT

    Honestly speaking when you have back t back Ashes, the first one be the tester and concentrate on the second one.. that is the one which is going to give you the grip on the urn for longer period.. Saying that, losing 3-0 or 4-0 is not a strategical play.. England are doing a big mistake by playing KP and Anderson and Australia by playing Harris again.. May be, they want to hide Bird? If England loses either Anderson or KP down under, it will be a massive hole in respective departments..

  • meursault on August 22, 2013, 2:57 GMT

    Okay, Mickey, that's enough. Be quiet now.

  • Liquefierrrr on August 22, 2013, 1:37 GMT

    Dear Micky Arthur - you were sacked because you ran an unfit ship for too long and didn't get the results you were supposed to.

    You were sacked for issuing ridiculous 'homework assignments' to a bunch of grown men who are professional cricketers.

    You indicated early on that you'd go out quietly and dignified.

    Since then, you've been in the press at least once a week rabbitting on about team tactics, the arrogance of our players, how hard done by you were and also sharing unnecessarily and possibly false information on inter-team relations.

    When you first got sacked I agreed with it though still respected you as a man and coach. The wrong team, the wrong country, the wrong culture, but a good coach nonetheless.

    With every ridiculous soundbite and interview you give I, and I'm sure many others from all over the cricketing world, grow less patient, less understanding and less respectful of your interpretation of 'dignity'.

    It's over mate, move on, you're better than this petulance.

  • Busie1979 on August 22, 2013, 1:22 GMT

    This underpins why Arthur needed to go. Australian cricket has never been content with mere good showings - particularly where the Ashes is concerned. I can't imagine Mark Taylor, Steve Waugh or Ricky Ponting accepting that as a benchmark of success. It shows that the decline in standards of the Australian team is based, in part, on an absence of leadership by the coach and captain. While England lead 3-0, I think it has been very close (apart from one game). England deserve their lead, but if there had been one or two more good innings from Australian batsmen it would be neck and neck. I can't imagine Australia would have been this competitive if Arthur's goals were the benchmark.

  • vswami on August 22, 2013, 1:00 GMT

    Arthur can do no wrong can he ? Australia won four tosses in four matches in India, had the choice of best batting conditions and made a meal of all of them and then blames BCCI ? He will never get a serious coaching job in life ever.

  • bobagorof on August 22, 2013, 0:56 GMT

    While it's not just members of Cricket Australia who have realised that a win in England means less due to the return series in Australia a couple of months later (the winner in Australia will hold the trophy for 18 months), as I picked up on this quite some time ago, I do thank Micky Arthur for stating the obvious and doing so in a way that will add pressure to the current set-up. While I'm sure that Arthur is being honest, he's not being tactful. Cricket Australia probably needs to review its priorities, but publicly airing dirty laundry in the middle of two Ashes series might not be the best time to do it.

  • CricketMatchSpecial on August 22, 2013, 0:41 GMT

    "keep hitting straight, oh across the line, damn lbw again"

    Very good sense of humor. Clearly targetting Watson!

  • TheBigBoodha on August 22, 2013, 0:02 GMT

    Good to see him tell it like it is with the Indians and their pitch manipulation. It really is out of control over there, and they seem to have thrown out all conceptions of the spirit of cricket in that respect. The first test track was beyond belief, the way they watered only the centre of the pitch, and left the edges dry to crumble for their spinners. I've been watching the game for decades, and have never seen doctoring of tracks to such a specific and massive degree. The most exasperating aspect of it is the silence of the ICC. I can't imagine this kind of thing being acceptable in any other major world sport.

  • crickeymate on August 21, 2013, 23:42 GMT

    Mickey Arthur has so much love for the boys from Australia. Why is it then that every time he opens his mouth something negative comes out. The way he talks, there's something not genuine about it all. I cannot come to the fact that Australia went into this test series not thinking that they might win. For goodness sake, we only lost 2 tests by a combined total of 89 runs. The washed out game was a realistic chance for a win. And to say that Australia was lucky that the English batsmen weren't on song is only partially true. Our bowlers on the whole didn't do a bad job. Not saying that England don't deserve their lead but it could easily have been closer. As for Mickey Arthur, just the wrong man for the job.

  • on August 21, 2013, 23:05 GMT

    Why is he talking now all these stuffs and just creating non sense.

  • on August 21, 2013, 19:19 GMT

    arthurs comments after his sacking dont make much sense i know that aussie team has changed drastically but they always play 2 win

  • 2MikeGattings on August 21, 2013, 18:59 GMT

    "The wicket was green and we played to our strengths" sums up the intention.

  • ARad on August 21, 2013, 18:45 GMT

    The only certainty is that Arthur's STRATEGY to deal with criticism is claiming that "we know we would lose but that was part of our STRATEGY but..."

  • on August 21, 2013, 18:40 GMT

    I dont agree with you micky.. if the conditions were tough hw did india score lot of runs in the series.. the fact is tat indias tour of australia was played wit ageing stars.. the indian team which won in india is a different team altogether with young blood and are much more confident.. australia had different problems in dressing room which eventually lost..

  • on August 21, 2013, 18:30 GMT

    australia lost fair and square in India...arthur accept that his team could not play spin... indian team has accepted its weakness to pace and swing and we are consciously improving it .... take the defeats on the chin and move on...why crib?

  • TheProfPak on August 21, 2013, 18:17 GMT

    Such plans can only results in defeats. It's good that they get rid of him. Also, I don't understand why he is whining over India's conditions. Didn't they use home conditions advantageous to their home team when India visited them.

  • on August 21, 2013, 18:02 GMT

    Arthurs, you are a good coach. But, u r statement - "That was how we wanted to go about our escapade there". So, India too plotted the same way. I do not subscribe those methodologies. Yet, this is the way times are - "home advantage".

  • on August 21, 2013, 17:59 GMT

    Most stupid Strategy.. How can you plan to lose 5 test matches? That's illogical..

  • bluefunk on August 21, 2013, 17:57 GMT

    Is Arthur fishing for a place among the burgeoning ranks of English support-staff? Hard to see who else would benefit from this kiss-and-tell tripe he's been shelling out ever since he got sacked. One would at least expect he'd be saying all this sitting somewhere like Durban or Cape Town; amazing that he's making these disclosures while still in Australia. The man is either completely tactless, or has been so badly shaken by the sacking that he's given up the ghost far as coaching and professional discretion are concerned. Either way, it takes serious talent to have brought a team of world-beaters to this pass in just a couple of years on the job. The entire affair has now started to acquire the darkening tragic shadow that often accompanies the best comedy and farce.

  • skmohanty on August 21, 2013, 17:57 GMT

    Well, you gotta have skills to adopt to all sort of situation. Tit for tat. It's as simple as that. For sub continent players bouncy conditions are tough and for out siders slow pitch. Ind didn't say it was the worst condition. Ozs are playing ipl in same sort of pitches and regularly hitting 100s. Admit the fact that you weren't skilled enough to battle that out. Eng were played on similar pitches and they still went victorious! There is nothing wrong in admitting your weakness! As an international coach your standard is certainly very high, but you cant play for them or teach them the basics over night!

  • ThyrSaadam on August 21, 2013, 17:45 GMT

    The more he opens his mouth, the more he makes CA's decision the best ever they have in recent memory. Any team will want to avenge a 4-0 loss, isnt that the crux of his "lets collect intelligence on the firs tour" logic ?

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on August 21, 2013, 17:40 GMT

    I almost fell off my chair laughing at this 'strategy'. It translates as "'England have been far better than us for years. They've thrashed us 3-0 in this series. So just to let you all know, it was all part of a grand plan to play it cool during the first series, but then really improve for the second series". Some people will say anything in front of a microphone..!

  • Scrop on August 21, 2013, 17:29 GMT

    What is Arthur trying to say to CA/Australian team or is it to the England Team ?

    Never mind, how much ever close Australia run england in England, England have all the bases covered to retain the Ashes at the end the year!!

    And re: the pitches in India, Even if it was on average spinning tracks the result would have changed either. Its because of the quality of batsman on Aus team that determined the result there.

  • AndyZaltzmannsHair on August 21, 2013, 17:25 GMT

    Heavily doctored pitches in India. Sounds about right. Will the ICC do anything about it. Will they ----

  • on August 21, 2013, 17:13 GMT

    What ever India did Aussies were poor India played young team still. Thrashed Aussies

  • on August 21, 2013, 17:11 GMT

    What rubbish. With any sort of luck the Aussies could be leading this series 2-1. Unfortunately, poor umpiring, rain and choking has cost them big time, even though they have played poorly. Any decent team would be leading england comfortably.

  • xylo on August 21, 2013, 17:06 GMT

    Is Mickey retired for good? If not, I don't think he is doing himself any favors to fetch him another job.

  • on August 21, 2013, 17:06 GMT

    He is very funny, to say the least. Any country would make pitches to suit their team. Why don't they make WACA a spinning wicket ? Why is full of pace ? The fact is Aussies don't know to play in sub continental wickets and blame their inadequacy on the pitches. It has been always sour grapes for Aussies.

  • Kapee on August 21, 2013, 17:00 GMT

    I cannot ever imagine these highest paid professionals coaching one of the oldest cricketing nation can ever think like this. You go in to a series to WIN, the buck stops there, even if it is a series between Bangaldesh vs South africa, Iam sure Bangaldesh will go out there to WIN, not go with a learning or observing mindset.

    EVerything with Australian cricket is a Mess at the moment, hope the come out of it soon.

  • on August 21, 2013, 16:53 GMT

    oh come on!!!!!!! this is ridiculous.....If england thrash u on their home strip u call them better team but when india does it u call it worst conditions.Grow up micky, accept that aussies dont know how to play spin.Even when england were beaten by pakistan they didnt whinge about conditions.Even when india got thrashed 8-0 overseas we accepted that our team batted poorly.

  • Kirk-at-Lords on August 21, 2013, 16:51 GMT

    Unsurprising news, really. The real surprise is how this situation could have been allowed to develop in the first place. It is a serious and regretable distortion of the Ashes concept to render an entire campaign a mere recce in force for the knock-on campaign. What tail is wagging the Ashes dog? Is it the Future Tours Programme of the ICC? If so, I say call a halt to the proceedings. The Ashes campaigns need at least 6 months separating them, and better that it be more like a year to 18 months. That should be a pillar of ICC planning, given it is the leading Test series going in all respects. A little rescheduling based on common sense is all that is required to avoid such rank and demeaning gamesmanship.

  • chalasanici on August 21, 2013, 16:41 GMT

    The more Arthur speaks, the fewer the chances of him coaching an international team again. This is the most bizarre strategy anyone could come up with and he thinks he only lost Watson in that dressing room?

  • binojpeter on August 21, 2013, 16:27 GMT

    I liked Ashes the old way, 2 year intervals in Australia and England. Back-to-back series take that charm off that series. That is my personal opinion.

  • oval77 on August 21, 2013, 16:05 GMT

    So now that Australia have lost the series, they're telling us that they didn't ever intend to win?! Following on from Lehman's (muddled) accusations of cheating yesterday, what can we expect tomorrow?

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  • oval77 on August 21, 2013, 16:05 GMT

    So now that Australia have lost the series, they're telling us that they didn't ever intend to win?! Following on from Lehman's (muddled) accusations of cheating yesterday, what can we expect tomorrow?

  • binojpeter on August 21, 2013, 16:27 GMT

    I liked Ashes the old way, 2 year intervals in Australia and England. Back-to-back series take that charm off that series. That is my personal opinion.

  • chalasanici on August 21, 2013, 16:41 GMT

    The more Arthur speaks, the fewer the chances of him coaching an international team again. This is the most bizarre strategy anyone could come up with and he thinks he only lost Watson in that dressing room?

  • Kirk-at-Lords on August 21, 2013, 16:51 GMT

    Unsurprising news, really. The real surprise is how this situation could have been allowed to develop in the first place. It is a serious and regretable distortion of the Ashes concept to render an entire campaign a mere recce in force for the knock-on campaign. What tail is wagging the Ashes dog? Is it the Future Tours Programme of the ICC? If so, I say call a halt to the proceedings. The Ashes campaigns need at least 6 months separating them, and better that it be more like a year to 18 months. That should be a pillar of ICC planning, given it is the leading Test series going in all respects. A little rescheduling based on common sense is all that is required to avoid such rank and demeaning gamesmanship.

  • on August 21, 2013, 16:53 GMT

    oh come on!!!!!!! this is ridiculous.....If england thrash u on their home strip u call them better team but when india does it u call it worst conditions.Grow up micky, accept that aussies dont know how to play spin.Even when england were beaten by pakistan they didnt whinge about conditions.Even when india got thrashed 8-0 overseas we accepted that our team batted poorly.

  • Kapee on August 21, 2013, 17:00 GMT

    I cannot ever imagine these highest paid professionals coaching one of the oldest cricketing nation can ever think like this. You go in to a series to WIN, the buck stops there, even if it is a series between Bangaldesh vs South africa, Iam sure Bangaldesh will go out there to WIN, not go with a learning or observing mindset.

    EVerything with Australian cricket is a Mess at the moment, hope the come out of it soon.

  • on August 21, 2013, 17:06 GMT

    He is very funny, to say the least. Any country would make pitches to suit their team. Why don't they make WACA a spinning wicket ? Why is full of pace ? The fact is Aussies don't know to play in sub continental wickets and blame their inadequacy on the pitches. It has been always sour grapes for Aussies.

  • xylo on August 21, 2013, 17:06 GMT

    Is Mickey retired for good? If not, I don't think he is doing himself any favors to fetch him another job.

  • on August 21, 2013, 17:11 GMT

    What rubbish. With any sort of luck the Aussies could be leading this series 2-1. Unfortunately, poor umpiring, rain and choking has cost them big time, even though they have played poorly. Any decent team would be leading england comfortably.

  • on August 21, 2013, 17:13 GMT

    What ever India did Aussies were poor India played young team still. Thrashed Aussies