April 3, 2014

'The Australians, they just deserve what they get'

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Warne switches sides

Question: How do you know Australia have been eliminated from an ICC tournament?

Answer: Shane Warne turns up at the nets of another team.

Warne, who is in Dhaka on commentary duty, was on hand to observe and offer a few thoughts to South Africa's players ahead of their World T20 semi-final against India on Friday. Having helped plot the downfall of South Africa's Test team ahead of the decisive third match against Australia in Cape Town, it seemed only fair that Warne would offer some balancing advice this time around. Imran Tahir was a particularly interested pupil, taking notes on legspin ahead of what is likely to be his greatest challenge of the tournament against batsmen amply gifted against spin. The outing was not entirely straightforward for Warne, who after training had some difficulty locating the whereabouts of the car he had arrived in.

Guess who came to dinner?

South Africa's players engaged in some mixing of a different kind on Wednesday evening, taking part in a shared men's and women's team dinner in Dhaka. Both sides have been successful in reaching the semi-finals: the women are facing off against England hours before the men tackle India.

Respect, West Indian style

In the aftermath of West Indies' victory over Pakistan to seal a semi-final berth, Dwayne Bravo spoke of why the celebrations had been somewhat muted compared to those for the win over Australia that preceded it. As many might have guessed, it was all about respect, and Bravo's words will not be lost on the Australians as they settle back in at home.

"Australia was a bit heated for us and I'm sure you know why. That was a very important game for us and we wanted to prove to ourselves and prove a point to the Australians that at the end of the day, we're all cricketers, all human beings, we play this game, we should respect each other, we're soon going to finish and cricket's going to go on. It's important that we leave our legacy as players, not only West Indian players but cricketers. We have young kids looking up to us, so I don't see the sense in trying to sledge the opposition, that actually gets us going. West Indies is a team that you should try not to upset, we don't step on anyone, we play hard, we play with a smile on our face, we compete fairly, whether we win or lose it doesn't matter, as long as we have a good game. The Australians, they just deserve what they get."

Ouch.

Ponting on England

Ricky Ponting was no great Twenty20 expert, and has freely admitted that Australia took a long time to invest serious time and thought into the format when he was captain. However his views on England's poor tournament are worth noting for their simplicity: no Kevin Pietersen, no chance. Ponting also said that it felt as though the ECB were looking for a chance to cut ties with Pietersen, something he offered with a recent downturn in his batting form.

"They made a big call, there would have been a lot of thinking and a lot of evidence, I guess, into them making that decision because to cut your best player out of all forms of cricket for England is such a big decision to make," Ponting told Sky Sports. "But they've obviously got their reasons for doing that.

"I'm pretty sure, though, that if Kevin Pietersen had been playing the way he was 12 months before that he'd still be in the England side - I think that's the bottom line. It was almost like there was an opportunity there, because he wasn't scoring the runs that he had been scoring that they could leave him out of the side."

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  • TopTipper on April 4, 2014, 7:31 GMT

    I am an Indian fan, but truly believe what @Darren Wilson says that the world cricket would be poor without present day Australian Cricket. Simply because of the brand of cricket they play. When Australia is fielding there are hardly any dull moments in the game no matter what format. The intensity, the attacking mind-set, the attitude to win makes watching this super-long sport worthwhile. It would be great if Aussies start taking T20 seriously because they are well-suited for this format that requires intensity, thinking-on-your-feet, aggression, competitiveness, agile & extremely tactical hunter-type brains to win. Aussies tick all the boxes, yet they are remain subservient to age-old purists of the game who promote test cricket as the best form of cricket in that country. #AnIndianInAustralia

  • xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on April 7, 2014, 14:10 GMT

    @TigerRoars - perhaps the Aussie philosophy is to forget about class and all the other diversions and hang-ups and just concentrate on cricket i.e. batting, bowling and fielding.

  • TigerRoars on April 7, 2014, 13:51 GMT

    You can be classy and a winner. Ever heard of a gentleman named Sir Donald George Bradman? He was both. The game had many from a similar mold. But, the recent Australian team might have been successful, but were they classy? Will they be remembered as fondly as many others in the past?

  • xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on April 4, 2014, 15:15 GMT

    "The Australians, they just deserve what they get". Given the success the Aussies have achieved over the decades, perhaps this is a compliment (albeit an unintended one).

  • on April 4, 2014, 4:42 GMT

    Without Australian team world cricket would be poor...people just hate success if their not involved.

  • on April 4, 2014, 3:03 GMT

    Well said mr. bravo .RESPECT

  • Merny on April 4, 2014, 2:24 GMT

    Words of wisdom from Bravo, to the cricket loving public. In short what he means is, "Keep your words sweet, for it will be easier when you have to swallow them".

  • Not_Another_Keybored_Expert on April 3, 2014, 23:59 GMT

    Why do the West Indians care so much what one Australian player thinks of them ? The WI's have made way to big of a deal out of this and have come out looking pretty silly.

  • VivGilchrist on April 3, 2014, 20:54 GMT

    So Australia's celebration after the 3rd Test was worth losing respect for but WI's was fine? I cannot help but feel that Australia will always be portrayed as villians no matter what they do. They are the team the media love to portray in this fashion and it gives the other teams and supporters an excuse for playing down Australia's success.

  • disco_bob on April 3, 2014, 19:39 GMT

    Australia is simply lacking specialised T20 bowlers particularly death bowlers. Although Muirhead looks like a prospect and Lyon may very well be able to adapt his game for 4 specialised overs, he's smart enough and accurate enough.

  • TopTipper on April 4, 2014, 7:31 GMT

    I am an Indian fan, but truly believe what @Darren Wilson says that the world cricket would be poor without present day Australian Cricket. Simply because of the brand of cricket they play. When Australia is fielding there are hardly any dull moments in the game no matter what format. The intensity, the attacking mind-set, the attitude to win makes watching this super-long sport worthwhile. It would be great if Aussies start taking T20 seriously because they are well-suited for this format that requires intensity, thinking-on-your-feet, aggression, competitiveness, agile & extremely tactical hunter-type brains to win. Aussies tick all the boxes, yet they are remain subservient to age-old purists of the game who promote test cricket as the best form of cricket in that country. #AnIndianInAustralia

  • xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on April 7, 2014, 14:10 GMT

    @TigerRoars - perhaps the Aussie philosophy is to forget about class and all the other diversions and hang-ups and just concentrate on cricket i.e. batting, bowling and fielding.

  • TigerRoars on April 7, 2014, 13:51 GMT

    You can be classy and a winner. Ever heard of a gentleman named Sir Donald George Bradman? He was both. The game had many from a similar mold. But, the recent Australian team might have been successful, but were they classy? Will they be remembered as fondly as many others in the past?

  • xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on April 4, 2014, 15:15 GMT

    "The Australians, they just deserve what they get". Given the success the Aussies have achieved over the decades, perhaps this is a compliment (albeit an unintended one).

  • on April 4, 2014, 4:42 GMT

    Without Australian team world cricket would be poor...people just hate success if their not involved.

  • on April 4, 2014, 3:03 GMT

    Well said mr. bravo .RESPECT

  • Merny on April 4, 2014, 2:24 GMT

    Words of wisdom from Bravo, to the cricket loving public. In short what he means is, "Keep your words sweet, for it will be easier when you have to swallow them".

  • Not_Another_Keybored_Expert on April 3, 2014, 23:59 GMT

    Why do the West Indians care so much what one Australian player thinks of them ? The WI's have made way to big of a deal out of this and have come out looking pretty silly.

  • VivGilchrist on April 3, 2014, 20:54 GMT

    So Australia's celebration after the 3rd Test was worth losing respect for but WI's was fine? I cannot help but feel that Australia will always be portrayed as villians no matter what they do. They are the team the media love to portray in this fashion and it gives the other teams and supporters an excuse for playing down Australia's success.

  • disco_bob on April 3, 2014, 19:39 GMT

    Australia is simply lacking specialised T20 bowlers particularly death bowlers. Although Muirhead looks like a prospect and Lyon may very well be able to adapt his game for 4 specialised overs, he's smart enough and accurate enough.

  • on April 3, 2014, 16:13 GMT

    Very valid remarks by Bravo, Aussies should get down from moral highground and start behaving. Nobody is disputing their cricketing abilities, but it is their on-field behaviour that needs improvement.

  • on April 3, 2014, 13:50 GMT

    I agree with Ajay. Australia has always been my MOST likeable cricket team, after West Indies of course. Without Australia, cricket will be the loser. Onto this day, since the beginning of time (international cricket), only West Indies and Australia have dominated this wonderful game on a sustained basis. I am still sad that West Indies couldn't play South Africa in the days of the incomparable Sobers.

  • izzidole on April 3, 2014, 13:31 GMT

    Australians have always helped other teams to lift their game and Shane Warne is no exception. He is highly respected around the world for his bowling and hated by some for his success. Australian cricket coaches are very much in demand the world over and have helped both Sri Lanka and the West Indies to lift their game . Since recently I find that some frustrated cricket fans especially englishmen openly have admitted their hatred for the aussies after the recent ashes whitewash and winning the series against South Africa in their own backyard. They know the aussies are back in business in both Test and ODI's being number 2 and 1 respectively and before long will be dominating world cricket for a long time once again. The cricket World Cup next year will prove that

  • on April 3, 2014, 12:46 GMT

    This would be a story if Australia cared about t20 cricket.

  • on April 3, 2014, 12:43 GMT

    who says australian cricket team does not have fans outside australia, i am an indian and i am a die hard fan of auusie cricket and meanwhile yes KARANAWAT33 is right, hate them or dislike them, they are the ones who make a difference. I just love Them !!!!

  • TheBigBoodha on April 3, 2014, 12:36 GMT

    The irony is that the WI are saying far more than what Faulkner ever did. And in suggesting that the comment came from the entire team - even after it is clear it had nothing to do with anybody else in the AUS camp - they have gone too far. Their onfield antics after the the game also came pretty close to crossing the line IMHO. I'm sure the Australians won't forget this either - how the WI and the media turned a relatively minor comment into an excuse to engage in endless bashing of not just Faulkner but the entire Australian team. Dare I mention the heading to this article as a perfect example?

  • on April 3, 2014, 12:18 GMT

    How did they behave after the Third test. They celebrated a win that resulted in them defeating the no1 test ranked team( for the time-being). Every team in the world sledges and try's to get under the opposition skin. Cricket is a grown man's game, people need to stop whining and complaining, get on with it like the WI Done. Im Aussie, and I LOVED the WI Reaction. You take away the aggression from the likes of Warner, Johnson, Siddle and Haddin and they aren't half the cricketers. SA had Boucher, smith and kallis who use to constantly chirp away from the slips. It's apart of the game and it will outlive all of us, Sledging is great for the game.

  • KARNAWAT33 on April 3, 2014, 11:49 GMT

    Say what you want to. Believe what you want to. Love or hate, you cannot debate, that the Australians have been the most successful country ever when it comes to cricket.

    People, admire then, envy them, some are jealous, some hate them, for the way they play the game but then they're the only team who draws a line and goes about being outspoken about their interests, disinterests and how they're gonna go about their business.

    Also, unfortunately for some, its time to start tolerating them :D Cuz, yet ANOTHER era of OZZE DOMINATION is not far way.

    Since the advent of the ODI World Cup. It has been West Indies from say 1970 to 1994 . Then the OZZE's took over form '94 till about 2008.

    Then it was a little bit of South Africa, England and India; but none of them 'dominated' teams abroad.

    And now in 2014, the OZZE's are back!

    'DEAL WITH IT".

  • highveldhillbilly on April 3, 2014, 11:47 GMT

    I suddenly really like Bravo! After the way the Aussies acted in the recent series in SA, especially after the 3rd test, I've lost a lot of respect for them. It's one thing to play hard, but when your team is universally disliked by just about every cricket fan that's not Australian you should probably realize that something is amiss. Winning at all costs, no thanks, in the long run somethings aren't worth it.

  • highveldhillbilly on April 3, 2014, 11:47 GMT

    I suddenly really like Bravo! After the way the Aussies acted in the recent series in SA, especially after the 3rd test, I've lost a lot of respect for them. It's one thing to play hard, but when your team is universally disliked by just about every cricket fan that's not Australian you should probably realize that something is amiss. Winning at all costs, no thanks, in the long run somethings aren't worth it.

  • KARNAWAT33 on April 3, 2014, 11:49 GMT

    Say what you want to. Believe what you want to. Love or hate, you cannot debate, that the Australians have been the most successful country ever when it comes to cricket.

    People, admire then, envy them, some are jealous, some hate them, for the way they play the game but then they're the only team who draws a line and goes about being outspoken about their interests, disinterests and how they're gonna go about their business.

    Also, unfortunately for some, its time to start tolerating them :D Cuz, yet ANOTHER era of OZZE DOMINATION is not far way.

    Since the advent of the ODI World Cup. It has been West Indies from say 1970 to 1994 . Then the OZZE's took over form '94 till about 2008.

    Then it was a little bit of South Africa, England and India; but none of them 'dominated' teams abroad.

    And now in 2014, the OZZE's are back!

    'DEAL WITH IT".

  • on April 3, 2014, 12:18 GMT

    How did they behave after the Third test. They celebrated a win that resulted in them defeating the no1 test ranked team( for the time-being). Every team in the world sledges and try's to get under the opposition skin. Cricket is a grown man's game, people need to stop whining and complaining, get on with it like the WI Done. Im Aussie, and I LOVED the WI Reaction. You take away the aggression from the likes of Warner, Johnson, Siddle and Haddin and they aren't half the cricketers. SA had Boucher, smith and kallis who use to constantly chirp away from the slips. It's apart of the game and it will outlive all of us, Sledging is great for the game.

  • TheBigBoodha on April 3, 2014, 12:36 GMT

    The irony is that the WI are saying far more than what Faulkner ever did. And in suggesting that the comment came from the entire team - even after it is clear it had nothing to do with anybody else in the AUS camp - they have gone too far. Their onfield antics after the the game also came pretty close to crossing the line IMHO. I'm sure the Australians won't forget this either - how the WI and the media turned a relatively minor comment into an excuse to engage in endless bashing of not just Faulkner but the entire Australian team. Dare I mention the heading to this article as a perfect example?

  • on April 3, 2014, 12:43 GMT

    who says australian cricket team does not have fans outside australia, i am an indian and i am a die hard fan of auusie cricket and meanwhile yes KARANAWAT33 is right, hate them or dislike them, they are the ones who make a difference. I just love Them !!!!

  • on April 3, 2014, 12:46 GMT

    This would be a story if Australia cared about t20 cricket.

  • izzidole on April 3, 2014, 13:31 GMT

    Australians have always helped other teams to lift their game and Shane Warne is no exception. He is highly respected around the world for his bowling and hated by some for his success. Australian cricket coaches are very much in demand the world over and have helped both Sri Lanka and the West Indies to lift their game . Since recently I find that some frustrated cricket fans especially englishmen openly have admitted their hatred for the aussies after the recent ashes whitewash and winning the series against South Africa in their own backyard. They know the aussies are back in business in both Test and ODI's being number 2 and 1 respectively and before long will be dominating world cricket for a long time once again. The cricket World Cup next year will prove that

  • on April 3, 2014, 13:50 GMT

    I agree with Ajay. Australia has always been my MOST likeable cricket team, after West Indies of course. Without Australia, cricket will be the loser. Onto this day, since the beginning of time (international cricket), only West Indies and Australia have dominated this wonderful game on a sustained basis. I am still sad that West Indies couldn't play South Africa in the days of the incomparable Sobers.

  • on April 3, 2014, 16:13 GMT

    Very valid remarks by Bravo, Aussies should get down from moral highground and start behaving. Nobody is disputing their cricketing abilities, but it is their on-field behaviour that needs improvement.

  • disco_bob on April 3, 2014, 19:39 GMT

    Australia is simply lacking specialised T20 bowlers particularly death bowlers. Although Muirhead looks like a prospect and Lyon may very well be able to adapt his game for 4 specialised overs, he's smart enough and accurate enough.