India in England 2014 August 18, 2014

How bad must a defeat be to be unacceptable?

A gutting loss to England, after leading the series 1-0, has thrown up some glaring inadequacies in the Indian team but there is little being said or done in terms of improvement
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Derby feels like another era now. Another country. It is just before the start of the Tests. India's second tour game. Leicester, the first game, has been a glorified net in the middle, with all 18 allowed to play. It's the same here. This is hardly a competitive pursuit. India, seemingly, haven't asked for a proper four-day first-class match that can simulate Test conditions. This is the Duncan Fletcher way. At least he has some clear and tangible impact on Indian cricket.

Shikhar Dhawan is out poking outside off. MS Dhoni scores 46. Dhawan, Ajinkya Rahane and Ravindra Jadeja are India's slip cordon - at least the fifth combination attempted since the South Africa tour last year. Ishant Sharma has bowled nine no-balls. Even the umpires are not taking this game seriously: they have missed about as many.

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In Nottingham, India win the toss and bat well, but Virat Kohli plays a shot that will become a blister, a pest that will suck all the life from his batting. It will leave him hollow, a wreck by the end of the Investec series. The ball is short of a length, it is wide, he still follows it, with a vertical bat and with no intention of driving. At best it is a defensive push, at worst it takes the edge. There is nothing to be gained. A wicket is lost. Kohli is India's most feared, if not the best, batsman.

India's biggest hope with the ball is Mohammed Shami. He bowls full, with the seam upright, giving the conditions maximum chance to take effect. He is quick too. The team's bowling plans revolve around him. Here he is bowling one ball down the leg side almost every over. Joe Dawes, the bowling coach, will later go on to say he has issues with his run-up. They won't be sorted out.

In the final innings, while fighting for a draw, M Vijay lunged at the spinner and feathered an edge, Cheteshwar Pujara doesn't keep the cut down, Kohli plays across the line and is lbw and Ajinkya Rahane edges while playing a loose drive. India aren't executing their disciplines for long enough. Test-match temperament is lacking. And then Stuart Binny saves the match for India. With the bat. This will come with problems of its own.

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Playing Binny is a noble thought. India have been unable to close Tests on their last two tours. Dhoni thinks it is because the bowlers tire out. He is desperate for an allrounder. Not even Jacques Kallis. A Corey Anderson, a Jimmy Neesham, a Ben Stokes, a Chris Woakes. He would have settled for Irfan Pathan. Irfan is not fit, though. Binny has taken a six-for in an ODI in Bangladesh. Momentum has built and Binny has played. However, he has bowled only 10 overs of no threat. On the last day, he saves the Test. India make the sentimental decision and give Binny another match.

India win at Lord's thanks to Vijay, Ishant and an incredibly low-percentage innings from Ravindra Jadeja that comes off, But on a seaming track Binny bowls 10 fruitless overs, for 45 runs. He is denied a wicket by Dhoni's failure to go for a catch between himself and first slip. Neither he nor Dhawan moves. Both are at fault. This will hurt India more. In the second innings, during crunch time, Binny is not called upon.

Look at footage of Dhoni's keeping from four-five years ago. He used to crouch as the bowler ran in. Now he stands upright. He used to run up to the stumps when a shot was played to point. Now others do it for him. Dhoni plays more cricket than anyone else in the world. He must be carrying niggles, he must be tired. He also captains every side he plays in. Some selectors have realised you can lose your job if you question his place or his captaincy. Has Dhoni - unwittingly, because he is more honest to himself than this - bred a culture where no one points his mistakes to him? He rarely practises wicketkeeping in training sessions. Just bowls and bats. India's men behind the wicket right now inspire no confidence.

Right now, though, is the time to forget processes. It is time for results. India have won a Test, their first away win in 16 attempts. They have done so with two bits-and-pieces allrounders who are not suited to these conditions. Jadeja's darts won't work here. Binny's batting is marginally better than his bowling, which is not a good sign for a bowling allrounder. Most of all, it is Bhuvneshwar Kumar's batting that has masked top-order failures. Kohli and Pujara have taken turns at fishing outside off and getting bowled. Dhawan is not looking good either. He has thrown it away in the second innings after playing himself in, cutting straight to point.

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Southampton. Here the series changes. The Jadeja-Anderson fracas has reached its height with Dhoni detailing his version of the events at a press conference. A man known to be pathologically clinical and unemotional has turned this into personal battle. He knows it is going to be his word against England's, but he has still made this a fight of principle. He was there in Australia in 2008, when it was one man's word against the other, and the verdict was not guilty. Is the man known to preserve all his energies for the field getting consumed by this? Is this hindsight? Does Dhoni do hindsight? Will he stand up for what's right and what's wrong in the IPL controversies?

At any rate, the cost of Lord's is Ishant. A mysterious injury, which will not be explained by the team management until the end of the series, has sidelined him. Southampton is baking. The bowlers are tired. Ishant, with his potentially disconcerting pace and bounce, is not there. India opt for four bowlers and bring in Rohit Sharma.

This is foreign territory for Dhoni's new team: their board cut their last two overseas tours to two Tests each. This is the first time they are playing a third.

The strategy seems like they want to preserve their lead, get Ishant fit for the fourth Test and then reasess. This is Indian weather, a flat pitch, and they lose the toss. Jadeja's base at third slip is too wide, he gets up too early, his head moves up as the ball is going past the bat. There are technical issues that India will refuse to acknowledge. He drops Alastair Cook on 15. Cook scores 95. This is the eighth slip catch India have dropped in seven Tests. Can the bowlers feel confident anymore? Is drawing a healthy edge enough to take a wicket anymore?

Catches still get dropped. Execution is suspect. What about the processes? Jadeja bowls 12 overs in the middle session of day one. To two left-hand batsmen. Most of them into the pads with a 6-3 leg-side field. Some of them into the pads with a 7-2 leg-side field. Dhoni has either decided, on the first morning, that India can only draw this match or he is going the wrong way about trying to win it. Shami is still giving freebies down leg, Bhuvneshwar is tiring, and Pankaj Singh - Ishant's replacement - is eminently likeable and desperately unfortunate, but he is also too slow for his height and too inaccurate for his pace. So Dhoni gives up early. He eliminates one of the three results on day one. This is a sight all too familiar. The man who coaxed bouncers out of Ishant at Lord's has disappeared.

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India have rarely had bowlers who will win them Tests outside Asia. On odd occasions everything goes right, the pitch brings them into play and they deliver one-off victories: the last time they won two Tests in the same series outside the subcontinent and Zimbabwe was in 1986. Rest of India's Test cricket has been about batsmen trying to save matches, unsuccessfully for the most part. There was an upswing under Rahul Dravid, who wanted to try things even if the bowlers were not that good. No other Test captain has replicated that sense of ambition. So it is down to a group of young batsmen, who know their bowling will leave them an improbable task, who know they have been dropping catches, who do not know where their off stumps are, against England, who have got their act together after spraying the ball around at Lord's.

Anderson goes round the stumps. Out goes Dhawan. Vijay's leaves have been undone by Broad getting the odd ball to move inin. Kohli follows a wide one again. Rohit frustrates most of all. Minutes before tea, he skips down to Moeen Ali, gets too close to the pitch of the ball, but goes ahead with the shot and finds mid-off. Kapil Dev is a commentator for this series. The only time he missed a Test in his career was because of an irresponsible shot. And his primary role wasn't even batting.

In the second innings, the openers see off Anderson and are on the verge of their first 50-run stand outside Asia. Vijay, though, runs lazily, and is caught short. He has been accused of being casual in the past, but on this tour he has been anything but. Is this because he hadn't scored the runs? Is this run-out because he has the runs under his belt? This is a question India and Vijay need to ask Vijay.

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A day after the Southmapton loss, India lose the courtroom fight. Anderson has been found not-guilty, as any court would have. India must now know how Andrew Symonds would have felt in 2008. They have also been punctured. You can see that when they leave quietly through the backdoor of the team hotel. They have lost Test matches and looked less dejected.

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Dhoni never dropped Virender Sehwag. Dhoni never dropped Gautam Gambhir. Dhoni never dropped Zaheer Khan. They all did poorly for more than a while, but Dhoni never dropped them. He didn't want blood on his hands. He waited for the selectors to do the deed. He tried to convince them to do the deed. He doesn't even drop Suresh Raina.

He drops Shikhar Dhawan, though. In a team where no batsman sits out, Dhawan was benched for an ODI in New Zealand. He moves out of the slips on the first day of training in Manchester. He is going to be dropped again. For whom is the question. It looks like Gambhir. Gambhir, though, is struggling against Shami in the nets. Surely the management has seen that? Playing Gambhir, who was dropped for not scoring a century in three years and hasn't set domestic cricket alight since then, will be incredibly regressive. This is a strange selection. So unlike Dhoni. India decide to regress.

India also refuse to see Jadeja is not a viable specialist spinner in conditions where darts don't work. His batting is a raffle. They play R Ashwin finally, but not at the expense of Jadeja. And now that they have committed to playing two spinners, and thus bowling last, they ignore overhead conditions and early-morning rain, and decide to bat at Old Trafford.

This pitch does less than Lord's did. The pace and bounce, though, and England's improved accuracy have pushed India back. No edges are dying before reaching slips. No fours are coming through third man. Sweepstakes are on around how Gambhir will get out. Caught gully is popular. Caught gully wins. To a straight ball that lifts a little. Rest are no better. Jadeja scores a duck. Anderson sets him up for an lbw. Crowd uses the tune of guitar solo from White Stripe's Seven-Nation Army, which has become popular among Indians for the Oh Ravi Jadeja chant, to sing Oh Jimmy Anderson.

India's batting has been dismantled, there is no use for Jadeja with the ball, but there is rain around. A hurricane is expected. India need to just hang in on third evening. Bowled out in 43 overs. It rains next day. And next. Only one more session of play would have been possible in the Test. Rest are mere details.

**

"The batsmen haven't put enough runs on, and there is no excuse for that. There will be no break between the Test matches. There will be a lot of hard work, I can assure you. You don't get better sitting on the couch. We have had guys get in and out without making big scores. That's unacceptable."

Michael Clarke, after Australia lost the second Test in India last year

"Often you say England is a developing team and it's amazing that they have played 475-odd Tests caps between them. And if you look at our team at the same stage, we amount to 230-240 games."

MS Dhoni, after Old Trafford

Is it unacceptable to Clarke because he is used to winning being an Australian. Is it okay for Dhoni because he is not used to winning Tests away from home? As far as we know, Dhoni doesn't carry such dogma. Hopefully inside the dressing room, it is unacceptable after all.

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Dhoni doesn't think statistically. He can't even remember small numbers. Even if he has to say 12, he says 10-odd. If he knows how many caps England have between them, and how many his side has, there is someone in that dressing room trying to explain away the defeats. If it was injuries in England 2011, green, monster seamers in Australia 2011-12, it is inexperience now. One day, just one day, you want him to say such defeats are unacceptable. Like he says the Anderson incident was. Like he said Sreesanth's behaviour was.

Dhoni stays firmly in control of his emotion even after his side has been bowled out in under 30 overs. Yet when someone suggests if it might be worth a thought to identify a couple of Test specialists and let them play county cricket when the IPL is on, Dhoni loses that control, and lets himself give out an instinctive response. "Don't be so jealous of the IPL."

India are not good enough, says Dhoni. India don't have the time to sort out their technical problems because they are playing all year around. And don't even go close to suggesting a couple of Test specialists might be kept away from the IPL so they find time to work on their Test games.

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If someone can give Dhoni selective stats on his side's inexperience against the other side's experience - never mind that Gary Ballance and Joe Root, England's heaviest scorers, have played fewer Tests than Kohli and Pujara - more stats can be found on India sides before this floundering outside the subcontinent. And that was back when you couldn't imagine a livelihood out of cricket if you couldn't play Test cricket. Now you don't need to do that. Reasons for desperation are even fewer.

However, is it wrong to expect better now that India have more facilities and more money, are a much better limited-overs side than they used to be? Is it wrong to expect India to expect more of themselves? Is it wrong to expect the BCCI to carry out a proper review of the coaches and the captain instead of just asking the players, who will always prefer the least conspicuous and demanding leadership?

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Another statistic for Dhoni and India. In the 1990s, India won only one away Test, out of 40. At home they won 17 out of 30. They need to make sure those days are not back.

Sidharth Monga is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • YorkshirePudding on August 22, 2014, 6:59 GMT

    @5Wombats, I said pretty much the same thing, it would be nice to have heard from the India camp that the Old Trafford loss was unforgivable and being honest, even after the oval there was no sense of the Indian camp saying anything but the familiar scripted sound bites 'Unfamiliar conditions', 'Green pitches', 'out of form'.

    Compare that to England after lords, they were honest about the loss, and came back, I half expected India to come back hard at the oval.

    That said Pujara is likely to play the rest of the season at Leicestershire, and possibly earn a 2015 season as well, I would advise Sharma and Aaron to do the same, rather than going to the IPL.

  • 5wombats on August 22, 2014, 5:52 GMT

    Ask ANY hard core cricket fan from England, Australia or South Africa "what kind of defeat is unacceptable", and without reservation they would reply; "Any defeat".... It's no good India just writing this off (again), saying "so what". This is one of the main problems - it's perfectly obvious to any non-indian that India just doesn't care about Test cricket. They excuse their performances all the time with comments like "oh, a 5-match series is too long" (even though England ALSO played in that same 5-match series), or "unfamiliar conditions" (even though England went to India and beat India in unfamiliar conditions). And plenty more. Just stop with the continual excuses. As we said in 2011 - excuses don't win Test matches. Play hard, and if you get beat and don't like it - then use that as a motivator - go away, improve your game, come back and have another go. Simple. Meanwhile, with Indian players earning so much money - there would seem to be be no reason to go away and improve....

  • myStraightTalk on August 21, 2014, 23:29 GMT

    Srilanka played very well and won the test Series just before India came to England. They showed India how to compete in away series. Some thing wrong with captain Dhoni.

  • DeepThinking on August 21, 2014, 20:12 GMT

    Play the Ranji matches in Aus and Eng for the players to get used to those conditions. That is the only way we could fine tune Indian players. Other option is cut down the no.of matches played in IPL and let the players play in county mathcs in Eng..which would expose them to those conditions. there is no other way to make Indian players compete with Aus in Australia and Eng in England.

  • myStraightTalk on August 21, 2014, 14:48 GMT

    Anurag Thakur along with the other BCCI member should be hold accountable for the decline of Test cricket by India. Having the same head coach and captain after many series loss in Test series does not happen in other country.

  • katch47 on August 21, 2014, 6:57 GMT

    Any kind of defeat is tolerable cuz India never put up a fight. They are only good at IPL on flat tracks

  • FAB_ALI on August 21, 2014, 6:55 GMT

    Dhoni should remain as a no. 6 batsman and surely as a captain. He needs to give up the keeping in Tests just as Sangakkara did. Time to bring in and prepare Naman Ojha or Saha as Test keeper. That would mean one of the top 5 batsmen have to make way and I think that should be Dhawan. Pujara and Vijay can open with Kohli at 3, Rahane at 4 and Keeper at 5. If they opt to play only 4 bowlers, an extra batsman can be accommodated in the middle order.

  • unni001 on August 21, 2014, 3:37 GMT

    This team has disgraced India by giving up without a fight.Let uis send a totally new and competent team for the ODis.

  • Alwinners on August 20, 2014, 22:56 GMT

    well articulated Sid..I would say we lost the series due to unbalanced team selected for every test in the series. Also lack of experience of playing conditions and improper scheduling of tour games assisted to go down 1-3. If not for the flat pitch in first test and Buvi - Ishant's resilient bowling effort in second test, this series would have easily read 0-5. But whats done is done and hope the selectors plus management get the above points right in the upcoming series. Also team selection should be based not just on batting and bowling options as was the case in this test series, but also positional fielding, batting order, bowling variations and considering the places cum weather conditions in the series. And more importantly, try out other keeper and captaincy options as poor Dhoni can no longer do justice to both these roles especially in a Test match. Lastly grooming certain players for specific playing conditions won't be a bad idea for the near future...some food for thought

  • ramli on August 20, 2014, 11:56 GMT

    Mr. Monga ... you are wrong ... MSD's take on no-time for technical adjustments in between series has been blown out-of-proportion by your biased attitude to find fault with him ... he gave a good common sense answer that instead players could have resorted to displaying more grit and resolve to fight it out than coping with newer technical adjustments without much practice ... he even displayed it for everyone to see ... No more 5-test series is the message for India from this series, home or otherwise, weak or strong opposition ... just 2-tests are more than enough

  • YorkshirePudding on August 22, 2014, 6:59 GMT

    @5Wombats, I said pretty much the same thing, it would be nice to have heard from the India camp that the Old Trafford loss was unforgivable and being honest, even after the oval there was no sense of the Indian camp saying anything but the familiar scripted sound bites 'Unfamiliar conditions', 'Green pitches', 'out of form'.

    Compare that to England after lords, they were honest about the loss, and came back, I half expected India to come back hard at the oval.

    That said Pujara is likely to play the rest of the season at Leicestershire, and possibly earn a 2015 season as well, I would advise Sharma and Aaron to do the same, rather than going to the IPL.

  • 5wombats on August 22, 2014, 5:52 GMT

    Ask ANY hard core cricket fan from England, Australia or South Africa "what kind of defeat is unacceptable", and without reservation they would reply; "Any defeat".... It's no good India just writing this off (again), saying "so what". This is one of the main problems - it's perfectly obvious to any non-indian that India just doesn't care about Test cricket. They excuse their performances all the time with comments like "oh, a 5-match series is too long" (even though England ALSO played in that same 5-match series), or "unfamiliar conditions" (even though England went to India and beat India in unfamiliar conditions). And plenty more. Just stop with the continual excuses. As we said in 2011 - excuses don't win Test matches. Play hard, and if you get beat and don't like it - then use that as a motivator - go away, improve your game, come back and have another go. Simple. Meanwhile, with Indian players earning so much money - there would seem to be be no reason to go away and improve....

  • myStraightTalk on August 21, 2014, 23:29 GMT

    Srilanka played very well and won the test Series just before India came to England. They showed India how to compete in away series. Some thing wrong with captain Dhoni.

  • DeepThinking on August 21, 2014, 20:12 GMT

    Play the Ranji matches in Aus and Eng for the players to get used to those conditions. That is the only way we could fine tune Indian players. Other option is cut down the no.of matches played in IPL and let the players play in county mathcs in Eng..which would expose them to those conditions. there is no other way to make Indian players compete with Aus in Australia and Eng in England.

  • myStraightTalk on August 21, 2014, 14:48 GMT

    Anurag Thakur along with the other BCCI member should be hold accountable for the decline of Test cricket by India. Having the same head coach and captain after many series loss in Test series does not happen in other country.

  • katch47 on August 21, 2014, 6:57 GMT

    Any kind of defeat is tolerable cuz India never put up a fight. They are only good at IPL on flat tracks

  • FAB_ALI on August 21, 2014, 6:55 GMT

    Dhoni should remain as a no. 6 batsman and surely as a captain. He needs to give up the keeping in Tests just as Sangakkara did. Time to bring in and prepare Naman Ojha or Saha as Test keeper. That would mean one of the top 5 batsmen have to make way and I think that should be Dhawan. Pujara and Vijay can open with Kohli at 3, Rahane at 4 and Keeper at 5. If they opt to play only 4 bowlers, an extra batsman can be accommodated in the middle order.

  • unni001 on August 21, 2014, 3:37 GMT

    This team has disgraced India by giving up without a fight.Let uis send a totally new and competent team for the ODis.

  • Alwinners on August 20, 2014, 22:56 GMT

    well articulated Sid..I would say we lost the series due to unbalanced team selected for every test in the series. Also lack of experience of playing conditions and improper scheduling of tour games assisted to go down 1-3. If not for the flat pitch in first test and Buvi - Ishant's resilient bowling effort in second test, this series would have easily read 0-5. But whats done is done and hope the selectors plus management get the above points right in the upcoming series. Also team selection should be based not just on batting and bowling options as was the case in this test series, but also positional fielding, batting order, bowling variations and considering the places cum weather conditions in the series. And more importantly, try out other keeper and captaincy options as poor Dhoni can no longer do justice to both these roles especially in a Test match. Lastly grooming certain players for specific playing conditions won't be a bad idea for the near future...some food for thought

  • ramli on August 20, 2014, 11:56 GMT

    Mr. Monga ... you are wrong ... MSD's take on no-time for technical adjustments in between series has been blown out-of-proportion by your biased attitude to find fault with him ... he gave a good common sense answer that instead players could have resorted to displaying more grit and resolve to fight it out than coping with newer technical adjustments without much practice ... he even displayed it for everyone to see ... No more 5-test series is the message for India from this series, home or otherwise, weak or strong opposition ... just 2-tests are more than enough

  • ramli on August 20, 2014, 11:49 GMT

    Let us be honest ... If only this had been a 2-test series, this article would have been written in a different context, praising the grit and skill displayed by Indian team ... all this autopsy would not have been necessary, right ... just wait for the lining up of short test series in future ... everything will be back to normal, including the rankings ... why all the furore over this aberration?

  • harshthakor on August 20, 2014, 11:37 GMT

    It is significant that India had some much more honourable performances in defeat in 1979,1982,199 and 1996 when they lost the 1st test of the series.As those series progressed the batting improved significantly,in contrast with the present series.Infact when we drew in 2002 India peaked from the 3rd test.

    Today too much t-20 and one day cricket is killing the technique required for adapting to test cricket in varying conditions.Teams may be losing the stamina to tour for a complete 5 test series.

    Congratulations to England for their great resurrection but no cricket lover can condone the behaviour of James Anderson which acts against the very spirit of test cricket.Infact his being pardoned by the I.C.C acts against the gentlemanly spirit which the English nation brought to the world through introducing the game of cricket.

    In the end the series was to me a total anti-climax and hardly a gain for set cricket as we failed to see any type of contest.

  • harshthakor on August 20, 2014, 11:28 GMT

    One major factor was that Mahendra Singh Dhoni failed to rally his forces positively after the victory at Lords like a commander of a batallion winning a battle but failing to marshal his opponents in winning a war.England overcame their weaknesses which were exposed at Lords and India did exactly the inverse,peaking too early.There was hardly any advise to the Indian batsmen on the technical adaptations to the english conditions and they played as though they were batting on sub-continent pancakes.In the end England had won the war in the mind and India was at a psychological low.

    It proves that only 4 or 5 test series are the true test and 2 or 3test affairs are no real test of the true strength of teams.The most important factor is the improvement of a team as a series progresses particularly from the middle part.This Indian team hardly had the experience and were burnt boats after 3 tests.

  • on August 20, 2014, 7:01 GMT

    Marcs, maybe the BCCI should allow more players to play county cricket. Kholi will be playing in England why not others?

  • Karthik_Jay_Cricket on August 20, 2014, 6:49 GMT

    I believe India will loose the ODI 4-1. I don't believe they will become technically sound within a week to play seaming balls. In test they not even able to play 30 overs with more than 70% of the players are the same lazy and technically lagging players, will sink the remaining other fresh blood people.

  • SLSup on August 20, 2014, 1:47 GMT

    I don't know to what extent the pendulum has shifted but "t20" is becoming a little 3-letter-word that is not proper to use in cricketing terms! Haha. It was a matter of time. ODI is coming to the fore after the initial excitement of T20 has appear to be waning. This was predictable. This boards well for cricket and Test cricket in particular (the kind that TRULY matters).

    This series has done many things but especially notable is Pujara going from an average above Sanga's to one below Mahela's. Since all IND fans believe Sanga & Mahela to be flat-track bullies who are not worth discussing, we can now stop talking about Pujara.

    Then there is Kohli who's habitual (or trained) trick of pulling every ball to the leg-side was exposed for world to see over a 6 week period. It must to his credit that he actually can take a ball pitched way-to-the-off to the square leg fence (in ODIs) but at Test level one needs more than that.

    Moral of the Series? Stop playing 5 Test Series. BORING.

  • on August 19, 2014, 19:59 GMT

    so many articles over this series???? everyone expected india to lose whats the big fuss? indians will win at home and lose at overseas tours for next 5 yrs..........be prepared.

  • Shmanju on August 19, 2014, 18:34 GMT

    Hi Guys, We spoke a lot on Defeats till date are we really concerned on Losing test matches or the way we lost it with out even a fight(by rest of the teams) Why are we pointig evey time at Dhoni when india loses_ this is an team game and the efforts put in by our boys is UNACCEPTABLE.

    Test games are played as team but not as individuals, try recollecting shades of 2011 series where we had Sachin, Rahul & Laxman who had rich international Pitch Exposure and we still lost the series 4-0.

    This team is still young with only Two players havin Exposure to England Seaming conditions.

    Being an Die hard fan even I am upset with the result, only issue I have with this team is No Batsman are Eager to spend time at Crease for least 10 overs is a real concern(Playing at International Level)_ Over all India has failed as Team and lets not attribute this Failure entirely to Dhoni.

    Best Thing to do is Leave behind the dark shades and lets concentrate on ODI's now we have our own ways to Answer.

  • marcs on August 19, 2014, 18:30 GMT

    The problem with India team is that we do not have players who can play under seaming and swinging conditions. Many of our current players have reached demi-god status through the performance in the sub-continent and shorter formats of the game. Hence there is no impetus for going the extra mile. Not to mention the quality of bowling too. When your fast bowlers are not competent enough dish out lethal deliveries and spin bowlers are not confident enough to flight the ball, how do you expect to take 20 wickets in a match, leave alone the abysmal batting.

    I still remember reading about steve waugh fighting for his place even when his team was comprehensively winning. The great man that he is, used to come up with a gritty century for his survival. What happened to pointing when he failed to perform in CB series?

    The current decision to change guards (vringing Ravi S) my not improve matters as we are already good in one day. If only tougher calls are made...hmmm

  • on August 19, 2014, 17:51 GMT

    I felt Indian went into the shell too early after a great win at lords, I think this as some thing to do with past home series against England where we were leading the series after first test. They were afraid as cook and bell got plenty of runs in that test match. The trigger point was Jedeja grounding cook at slips and the sequence continued for rest of the batsmen s. From the outlook it appeared that Indian lost the willingness to win or play test cricket. What looks like this problem will take must time then earlier to get to a solution. The confidence is so low that we might end up ODI with 4-1 and T20's 1-0. On the other hand Australians must be licking there lips as another 4-0 on cards. The way our team is playing now it will more than surprise if they manage any thing better than 4-0.

  • on August 19, 2014, 16:56 GMT

    IF team india really mean business and are looking for a change in guard- they can bring in kumble as the coach ad support staff. ganguly would be a bad choice-ala coach cum shadow captain. and as for dhoni-i don't think the selectors would risk his morale ahead of aus tour & WC 2015. \

  • on August 19, 2014, 16:26 GMT

    very good article.Dont blame Dhoni for the loss.If the top 5 wickets looses with in 10 overs,what he supposed to do.The last 3 test matches happened the same with the batsmen,i think pankaj singh inclusion is also a big mistake.IPL is there,make sure you have to use the IPL for the Fast Bowlers with good speed and swinging capablities.Dravid Should be the Coach and Anil Kumble will be the bowling Coach,it will be good for Indian future.

  • hnlns on August 19, 2014, 15:27 GMT

    Indian players' inadequacy technically was exposed on this trip. If only test match batting was as easy as the IPL variety with rank dead pitches and shortish boundaries where even mishits become sixes, then India would have emerged 5-0 winners. Since this wasn't the case, they came crashing down with the defeat margins getting bigger and worse by every test. Test cricket must be played by people who pride playing for their national team and put a very high octane performance more often than not on field. People like Rahul Dravid did just that. I wonder if the current bunch of players ever bothered practicing in conditions providing lateral movement with pace and bounce before leaving for UK. The result was miserable failure of all big names in batting, Virat Kohli being the standout failure. Young players like him must make it a point, at least now, to get some quality practice before they venture out to Australian tour where Mitchell Johnson might be a red hot knife.

  • on August 19, 2014, 14:59 GMT

    I think India should quit playing tests cricket abroad and if they want to play it play in it home, and it should be against Afghanistan, Namibia, Canada. Pujara and Kohli should practice shadow batting in their home.

  • vgopalk on August 19, 2014, 14:54 GMT

    Fantastic Article Sidharth. You are spot on.

    Frankly, the attitude of the "so called" cricket fans MUST Change. We MUST Demand WINS and Nothing else! Once you start holding them accountable, and the cricketers see the sponsorship money dry out (as folks don't tune in to see these losers), you can see how quickly they adapt a winning approach.

    As for Dhoni, as GR Vishwanath has said "he has essentially sailed on luck" with little strategy. Time for him to join his buddies Suresh Raina and Jadeja as IPL players ONLY.

  • BGKrishna on August 19, 2014, 14:37 GMT

    Dropping Ashwin for three tests was suicidal, that is not mentioned here. Also Vijay's runout wasn't a big turning point and if at all he was helping Dhawan get off strike. Will Monga ask the same question of suicidal strokes by Pujara and Rahane off Moen, or the suicidal runout of Gambhir? Kohli's failures have been downplayed and his inability to learn were singularly demoralizing the team. Dhoni fought well with the bat but went from bad to worse in captaincy. Pace bowlers who didn't capitalize on friendly conditions are also to be blamed.

  • on August 19, 2014, 13:37 GMT

    Dhoni is not worried of losing games abroad or even at home since he's getting enough pay @ home from IPL & also lot of Ads. It looks like Dhoni gets angry if we talk that IPL is killing the TEST matches. Why does he bother winning or losing as he gets enough money than any cricketer in the world. All the youngsters including Dhoni doesn't like TEST i believe as their attitude is like that. May be BCCI should plan less tests in a series like max 3 tests per series since IND is used to shorter-formats. If you don't want to play real TEST with intensity, please don't play for the country, better play IPL, T20s, ads n earn more money. TEST is for real cricketer.

  • Nampally on August 19, 2014, 13:23 GMT

    What sort of defeat is intolerable? When a team losses in <3 days by an innings, it is UNACCEPTABLE. When India does it twice back to back, there is something terribly wrong with the Team, its Captain & its Coach. India had a chance to put their Best team on display for a 5 Test series in glorious English summer which was closest to the Indian weather. Did the Selectors do a right job in picking the best 18 member squad. My answer is NO. The opening batsmen - key for batting success were unacceptable with 2 out of 3 notorious pokers of the balls outside the off stump + U.Yadev the best Fast bowler for England conditions omitted. Secondly, Dhoni failed in XI selection by omitting 2 of the best bowlers in Aaron & Ashwin for 3 of the 5 Tests. Neither the squad nor XI was balanced or the best available. On top of this, Dhoni's Captaincy was poor at Best. He could not motivate even stars like Pujara, Kohli & Rahane. India failed in Batting, Bowling & Fielding- Intolerable Total Surrender!

  • Redbacks_Bite on August 19, 2014, 13:01 GMT

    Very well collected and compiled thoughts, Mr. Monga.. Its just amazing to see sort of disarray this Indian team is in under highly incompetent Test Captain..

  • T20Fun on August 19, 2014, 12:53 GMT

    Dhoni's omnipotence in Indian cricket is coming back to hurt Indian cricket itself. If a team loses 13 of its 17 tests away from home under the same Captain there is only so much one can blame the players. Add to that the crucial drops from him behind the stumps and India has a captain who is either too disinterested or too tired.

    The question cannot always be "who else do we make captain?". Any domestic Captain from India could not have done any worse than MSD. Maybe its time to replace MSD as test Captain and give the reins to Pujara. It might not help Pujara's own batting but I doubt it will harm Indian cricket in anyway.

  • on August 19, 2014, 12:14 GMT

    Its amazing how many supporters still blame "foreign conditions" and use terms such as "our heroes". Blame must be laid and hunger required. Perhaps specialists are required and should join county sides. But perhaps its beneath them or just not enough money as compared to the ipl?

  • Barnbarroch on August 19, 2014, 12:01 GMT

    Every day, it seems, Sunil Gavaskar on TMS has pointed out that India's slips stand too upright (like Dhoni incidentally) and that they will always miss catches for that reason. There are other reasons like the ever-changing cast of the cordon and the spacing.

    All these problems are easily corrected unlike, say, batting form or bowling skill. But the position of the slips! What did they learn as boys? What has their coach been doing? Did he say nothing on the tour? It's extraordinary!

  • on August 19, 2014, 11:59 GMT

    It is the worst feeling in the world to see your heroes being chickened out. Honestly, I did not feel this English unit was as good as the Indian's made them look, minusing Anderson. It has a lot to do with mind from the third test and first innings on it seemed none wanted to occupy the crease. it was like ' even if we get 20 we save the blushes attitude. The future looks bad after the battering, but they have to believe in their strengths as the WC is around the corner and back the players to the tee.

  • on August 19, 2014, 11:53 GMT

    Winning or losing is a part of the game, we should also respect the strong opponents, but how hardly we fought before losing the match matters. We cannt expect India to win each series or each game, even if we have drawn the match it is a great sign for us to cheer. But what is happened here is totally unacceptable and intolerable. But end of the day whether they win or loose they will be paid well and are earning outside the game, so they dont care about the spectators getting disappointed with the result. So rather than protecting this 11 can we get a new team and settle down for worldcup, as we r running out of time and worldcup is hosted outside Asia, this unfit 11 is not going to bring anything back to India. Because of cricket we lost interest in other sports. Entire money is wasted in cricket, when looking at the olymphics tally we are expecting India for some golds/silver/bronze. Why should not money be invested in hockey and other stuffs as in cricket also we are not champions

  • on August 19, 2014, 11:40 GMT

    india make strange decisions...their best batsmen are Pujara,Kohli and Dhawan however in the first few games the better batsmen were the bowlers and murali vijay...england play badly in the first test two tests but they improve and silence the indians...Binny was a strange selection since his bowling seemed ineffective...I thought Shami should have been brought back in the last test after it was proven that Arun Vohra's greater pace troubled the english...Ishant Sharma still seemed tobe recovering from his injury... the indians might play better in the one dayers as they have better alround batsmen...Kohli too used to play all types of bowling very well and he should try to recreate his magic...Ashwin might be a good batsmen but his spin is probably designed for one dayers too...jadeja seems an ideal alrounder and he did have a couple of performances which the indian top order should try to emulate...india have a good quartet of pacemen and they should develop them to bowl together

  • on August 19, 2014, 11:37 GMT

    dhoni can win ipl by giving mny to others team tht y we thnk he is gud capt. k forget abt foriegn loss even in india he loss.if bcci did nt tak any decision abt future of test capt. den dey r useless

  • eddiehemmingswobble on August 19, 2014, 11:33 GMT

    @Ganesh Ramakrishnan. I wouldn't say Australian conditions are at all similar to England. England is very conducive to swing bowling and the Duke ball behaves differently to the Kookaburra early on and in terms of general wear and tear. Australian wickets are generally built for pace and bounce, and deteriorate rapidly, making it very difficult for the last bating team, as this is also very conducive to leg spin using the foot marks or the right armer over the wicket. English wickets tend to be much slower, but still offer some bounce. With the often cloudy conditions very conducive to swing, both conventional and reverse. If you want to compare Australian wickets then South Africa would be the best comparison.

  • on August 19, 2014, 11:28 GMT

    I doubt India will be a good side at home either. The way they have capitulated to Moeen Ali on seaming tracks, I just shudder to think what will happen to them on subcontinental pitches against bowlers like Herath or Ajmal. India had Azhar, Tendulkar, Kambli, Siddhu- all stalwarts at home and especially against spin anywhere on earth. Later, they had Dravid, Ganguly and Laxman who could have the likes of Warne for breakfast on any track in the world. At least we were secure against spin, regardless of how big the bowler was. Now we are secure against none.

  • singhanubhav on August 19, 2014, 11:20 GMT

    We don't care for test cricket anymore , that's the plain fact and very evident in India's performamces recenty. Mind you we were defeated by England in India as well. IPL will come and everything will be hunky dory , All batsman will score runs and we all will go gaga.

  • on August 19, 2014, 10:37 GMT

    Another test series loss away from home is disappointing, still wonder why is it that we can't win 2 or more test matches away from home. In Australia, England, South Africa, NewZealand and even West Indies, India have not won 2 or more test matches in a series, is it with our mindset and attitude?? Do we get casual or overjoyed after winning a single test abroad that we lack the knock out punch to win another win and clinch the series. Coming to the batting, its sad but we have to be positive, we can't build a test team by just chopping and changing, we have to be patient with this team, its a team in transition but all the players have to accept their failures and learn from it. Dravid's first tour of Australia in 1999 was a disaster, Ponting was Harbhajan's bunny in 2001 just as Virat has become Anderson's. I have faith that both Kohli and Pujara are quality players who need to be backed and they will emerge as stronger players, Cricket is a great leveller and Kohli will realise it.

  • sridoosra on August 19, 2014, 10:09 GMT

    poor performance by India 3-1 lost the series.in good weather condition.all of the series. but SL playing England 2014 that time weather also very difficult.cool.Sri lanka won the series 1-0.what happen India?

  • Chn2 on August 19, 2014, 9:10 GMT

    Any defeat is beyond the tolerance level. But the way our cricketer has surrendered themselves in three consecutive test is the height of tolerance. BCCI must take serious action as these result are due to lake of application rather than lake of talent.

  • leatherhunters on August 19, 2014, 9:00 GMT

    The fact remains and has been proved once again that the Indian batsmen find it difficult to negotiate the moving and the bouncing red cherry. And our bowlers keep repeating the same mistakes series after series and the fingers are still soaked in butter. It has been happening over the years except for a few sparkling innings of Rahul, Sachin , Laxman, Ganguly and Shewag. Everyone is tempted to bring the "IPL factor" into this performance. Just after the victory at Lord's therewere comments going around that Bhuvi and Ishant got better bowling alongside Steyn!. IPL debuted in 2008 and how did Indian performed in overseas before that? Remember the dreadful 1999-2000 Australian tour or the earlier Southafrican / English tours. It is not about individual selections Jadeja / Binny . To be fair to Binny he batted better than Kohli or Pujara!. Without Binny India would have lost the first test and without Jadeja India would have loist the second!. Wish i had more quota to complete commen

  • Rooboy on August 19, 2014, 8:52 GMT

    I knew some would bring up 'India beat Aus 4-0 at home', and completely miss the point, so thanks baskar_guha, you didn't disappoint. Yes let's forget this series already, while mentioning series from years gone by. I fear it could get ugly this Australian summer but why worry about the present when you can cling to the past

  • shanks1967 on August 19, 2014, 8:47 GMT

    I think we are making a mistake here by criticising the team. The team is young.Last time around we lost 4-0 with stalwarts in the side. Somewhere after Lords the team management went into defensive mode and thought they should just keep the lead and the series at 1-0. When they lost the third test, the team lost their way. I would still back this team to be the core of the future. Like Monga has said, nothing can be as bitter as overseas tours which happened And let us not forget to give credit where it is due. The English seam attack was indeed good. They never let it up. Never. Consistently kept batsmen from scoring. So stroke makers like Pujara and Kohli threw away their starts in frustration. So let us go to Australia. Learn more. Dont bash this young team. Not so soon.

  • on August 19, 2014, 8:10 GMT

    Defeat is defeat weather u loose by 1 run or by 500 runs.no defeat is acceptable.

  • on August 19, 2014, 8:00 GMT

    Baskar Guha, if you "forget this tour" you (Indian team) learn no lessons and don't "move forward". That's fine if India are not interested in test cricket (particularly test cricket away from home), but I'd hope that wasn't the case. I heard Sunil Gavaskar interviewed, and he was scathing about the lack of both technique and fight in India. However, Sunny is also the BCCI's appointed commentator, so he finds difficulty in writing about it in India. The sort of capitulation we saw at the Oval should be (in Michael Clarke's words) "unacceptable". Dhoni is just looking for excuses.

  • on August 19, 2014, 7:48 GMT

    there is no bad loss that is ever unacceptable. at the end of the day, if a team just isnt as good as their opposition, they lose. and nobody elses right to call it unacceptable... EVER!

  • Mervo on August 19, 2014, 7:35 GMT

    Baskar_guha - time to forget this series? Really? That is a sure fire recipe for repeating it. There are lessons here and forgetting is not one of them. Changes are needed and less reliance on home conditions. Time to develop more Dravids, Bedis and Kapils and that only happens when the wickets at home have some passing resemblance to foreign conditions. Green outfields and dry dusty wickets will not produce change and broaden techniques.

  • Jezinho on August 19, 2014, 7:29 GMT

    @baskar_guha. You completely miss the point in the article (which you evidently didn't bother to read properly). The first three tests were played on flat pitches and, Ishant's spell aside, the team didn't really perform. India, with a billion people and riches outside of the reach of the other teams, can't be arsed to invest in a test team, instead putting up with a bunch of spineless cricketers, some of whom we all know have abundant talent. Nobody remembers what happened in an IPL game. The pinnacle is test cricket, hence the greatness of your Sachin, Dravid, Ganguly, Gavaskar, etc. And you know what, all of those played County cricket at some stage in their careers. Sid makes a lot of good points in his article. The truth hurts.

  • on August 19, 2014, 7:16 GMT

    This is an excellent post-mortem of india's defeat.. Though, please dont make Ishant look like Curtley Ambrose, it was the english batsmen giving away their wickets than Ishant earning it. though he bowled reasonably well, that was not what was expected from a player who has played more than 50 tests.. County cricket is the only way Indian batsmen can improve.. During the IPL, players like Pujara, Kohli, Vijay can do a stint of county cricket.. It will only make them better players Also, bits n peices players like Jadeja & Binny, shouldnt even be in the squad.. The squad selection has been atrocious.. also the team selection.. Gambhir shouldnt have been in the squad.. Kohli was too confident to begin with & then lost all of it later.. He needs to have a go in the domestic circuit if he wants to perform well in tests More than the IPL, its the lack of first class cricket thats hurting the players.. BCCI should make sure that, the national players do get some FC cricket under their belt

  • YorkshirePudding on August 19, 2014, 7:15 GMT

    @Karthik2511, I think you mean that Gary Ballance and Joe Root will need to see how they play IN the subcontinent. Although Root in his first test innings scored 90 against india in the final test in 2012. Yes we need to wait and see how they develop, over the next few years.

  • Riffat on August 19, 2014, 7:04 GMT

    Overseas, in test series, this Indian team is capable of beating ZMB and BNG only (at best).....this is as simple as that. Reason - too much shorter version game (T-20 / IPL etc) and dependency on flat or slow turning tracks. Its more funny because these are the richest cricketers and the richest cricket board. No wonder they are overrated.

  • svpad on August 19, 2014, 7:02 GMT

    I think BCCI has finally learnt the lesson. even though its late, but still.... Sanjay and arun will be a better coaches. Its good for indian cricket.

    Ravi on top is also a better choice...

    Forget what has happened in the test and focus on ODI..All the best Team India...

  • on August 19, 2014, 6:18 GMT

    why we are not playing with specialist spinner in overseas tour. I thnk bhajji & P.Oja is much better than Jadeja & ashwin. We dont need in test cricket bits & Piece players. Combination should be like that 6 batsmen, 1 keeper , proper spinner & 3 pace bowlers.

  • on August 19, 2014, 6:18 GMT

    ishant s disconcerting PACE?!!! that's a huge statement since ishant rarely hits 135 kmph these days! and please don't make his lords performance sound like he was curtly Ambrose at his peak! at least 3 batsmen there played hugely unnecessary and extravagant shots to get out .. if Ali and root had hung in a bit more we would have been smashed 4-0... we need umesh yadav and varun Aaron in the team since they r the 2 genuine pacers we ve got - who bowl 90 MPH... bhuvi s a quality bowler now and shami can act as a back up... pick ashwin in the XI and for heaven sake - he s not in the team to bowl 1 over spells! give him time to at least get into a rhythm ... please send jadeja and binny packing ... we need a solid opener immediately.. at least send dhawan for a couple of seasons in county cricket ! the ipl will survive without him alright!

  • Samdanh on August 19, 2014, 6:15 GMT

    Everything is acceptable as time goes by. Indian team, management, BCCI, media, fans have been through such phases before. We are happy to forget as soon as Indian batsmen and bowlers start relishing doctored pitches (saying so because unless it is done so, no pitch can aid spin from ball one, forget about day one) at home. We call it our conditions/subcontinent conditions to save our face. True cricket fans know what it is. Such losses will be forgotten faster if they are followed by IPL or the IPL Champions League where some of our slam slam cricketers shine through. Some of our fans have stooped so low to writing bravado on injury Broad sustained in the 4th Test (one example:@Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist) aimlessly, trying to assuage our own pain as if it was a boxing Test. Broad played next Test and ripped off 3 important wickets. But we never moved on and improved. We crashed even further down. We can learn and work to improve only if we admit our mistakes and failures.

  • Karthik2511 on August 19, 2014, 6:12 GMT

    I agree that Gary and root played well but we have to see them in outside sub continent.So dont judge a player under subcontinent condition, let Root and Gary play outside the sub continent then we will come to know about their strength and weakness.Our Indian team is an inexperienced side and it is in the transition period and for most them this is the first tour in England. So give this young Indian team an other chance in the next tour and then decide. And i feel India has to play more 5 match test series outside the sub continent which will give them more experience.

  • baskar_guha on August 19, 2014, 6:01 GMT

    Over analysis. Simply put, India was outmatched by England in very English conditions. Just like Australia were by India the last they were in India. Time to move forward and forget this tour.

  • rhtdm302 on August 19, 2014, 5:15 GMT

    My Prediction before the start of the series was correct except a surprising win for India. This team is a good One day/T20 team. Simply Not good enough to play test cricket. Team selection has been poor as well. (not much to select from any ways).

    Anyways all this will be forgotten by the Fans once they start winning the OneDay games and we will be back to watching Jai Ho! on TV.

  • TheOnlyEmperor on August 19, 2014, 5:10 GMT

    You can develop a winning mindset only if you think like a champion and that means DEFEAT IS UNACCEPTABLE! Sport is about WINNING all the time! Winning is a PREDICTABLE outcome! Winning comes with PRACTICE, CONSISTENCY, PERFORMANCE, PHYSICAL FITNESS, a good GAME PLAN, and the ONLY ATTITUDE ...to WIN!!!! Gosh, I've gone hoarse screaming these basics...which have not been corrected for more than 40 years since I started watching cricket! If you keep trying to knock down a stone wall with your head repeatedly, you are but a dimwit. I often wonder if that statement should apply to me or the Indian cricket team!

  • acapulko on August 19, 2014, 5:08 GMT

    Murali Vijay did not lunge at a spinner and feathered an edge at Nottingham while fighting for a draw.......he was down the wicket going for a big heave..

  • YorkshirePudding on August 19, 2014, 5:08 GMT

    @ cricpanther, I listened to Sunil Gavaskar on the radio and after the Oval, he was scathing about Dhoni, even during the game, when india were capitulating, he was asked if he was going to write a scathing article on what was happening, he simply said "Whats the point, I've done it many times and nothing changes, so why bother"

    This is the crux of the matter, the upper echelons of Indian cricket dont care about test cricket, they equate success to how much oney they have in thier coffers, just so they can brag about being the richest board, now the chickens are coming home to roost.

    The BCCI could easily set up a 4 day structures, such that each state has a league of 10-20 teams that compete in an a 4 day competition, this will identify players for the State, who can then draft them in to play The Ranji which they reform to a league, this is where you get your test players from, NOT the IPL.

  • Zerof on August 19, 2014, 5:00 GMT

    Do you'll know that Dhoni and Virat Kholi both earn in the excess of 50 crores each just on endorsements. For what is the next question? With 100 crores between them annually what is the motivation to play a test match for 5 days and try and win? No wonder Virat was so keen to rush back to the dressing room. With the number of zero's in their bank balance and the number of zero's on the teams score sheet, the only brand they should endorse is a Duck Farm. 100 crores for 94 all out. There is enough talent in India who would sleep on the cricket ground for 5 days just to earn 1 crore a year.

  • Zerof on August 19, 2014, 4:45 GMT

    How do you force children to eat vegetables, and stay away from chocolates, saying that vegetables are healthy? Similarly, the quickest way to success and stardom is One Day or 20/20 cricket. But all forget just as it is practice that will make you a good player, it is Test cricket, which will make you a complete player. Technically correct player should fit into any form of cricket, with a few adjustments. And why are we forcing players to play all forms of cricket, let them choose the type they are interested in. If Kholi's interest is only for 20/20 and One Day cricket, why force him to play tests? Like wise IPL, should be a reward for performance, the national team players should earn the right to play in the IPL, if they fail, they should be sent to play domestic cricket. And please for heaven sake, have specific players for specific forms of cricket. Does the Indian Cricket Team want to win at all? Or they are only bothered about the bulging bank balance?

  • hitarth18 on August 19, 2014, 4:42 GMT

    This defeat of 3-1 is more humiliating than previous 4-0 whitewash in England. Before they gave reason it was an ageing team. Now what ? Result is more shameful and humiliating than previous one. It wont be different in upcoming ODIs or in Australia tour later this year. I will be surprised if it is.

  • Lmaotsetung on August 19, 2014, 4:39 GMT

    @ Ganesh Ramakrishnan - Root already played in India. In fact he made his debut in India in Nagpur...surprised it took so long for the "wait til they come to India" garbage which seemed to have disappeared since that 2-1 series win. Btw, England Lions have played plenty in the sub continent in the last few years particularly in India and Sri Lanka so don't expect English batsmen to be clueless against spin like Strauss and Co in the UAE.

  • _-Will-_ on August 19, 2014, 4:34 GMT

    @Ganesh Ramakrishnan on (August 19, 2014, 2:07 GMT)

    Please research the following at your own leisure and feel free correct your statements accordingly:

    Joe Root's performance in Indian conditions 2012

    Ashes records spanning 100+ years (define "consistently"?)

    Recent (~20 year) home/away records of South Africa, Australia, even England.

    I can accept your point about supporting a team through highs and lows to an extent. However, the basic premise in sport is that players and teams reciprocate fans' loyalties by, at minimum, competing wholeheartedly. Typically it is the contest that is the attraction. This concept applies to most sports and many fans reach their limits of tolerance when the minimum courtesy of competing is repeatedly denied. Losses are tolerable when maximum effort is evident. When we continually excuse the absence of effort we are rewarding laziness and disrespect.

    Btw - this was a test series and some of us do not see the relevance of short format success

  • Udendra on August 19, 2014, 4:31 GMT

    I think SL and Pakistan should get 5-match test series. That will be much interesting.

  • on August 19, 2014, 4:28 GMT

    I will put down this series to 2 things : 1. Indian batsmen need a good season or 2 in County cricket, skip the damn IPL for a year and play some english swing bowling. Similarly, Indian bowling needs to build some pace and bounce if we are to ever win a overseas series vs Eng, Aus, SA. India won at lord's only because England committed harakiri - had england held their nerves on that last day it could well have been a 4-0 again. 2. Gambir's selection was absolutely an baffling one - have we all forgotten he hasnt scored a run in international cricket since 2011 ? If he was selected based on IPL - the selectors have clearly been smoking something else ! The guy scored 4 ducks or so in his first 4 IPL matches, couldnt put bat to ball on the flat pitches in Dubai, and gets to open again for India ! Dhoni needs to let go of his fantasy of turning Jadeja into a Test cricketer. Move on, get a real spinner - a good leggie couldve made a big difference early on in the series.

  • OYEEE on August 19, 2014, 4:12 GMT

    I believe Rahul Dravid was coaching batsmen. Should we not question his role in this batting debacle.

  • Sexysteven on August 19, 2014, 3:55 GMT

    India do need to get there priorities right the ipl is ok but it all shouldn't be about the ipl if India don't think test cricket is more important then they shouldn't be playing cricket at all cos they are playing it for all the wrong reasons like making money instead of the love for the game prob is time to get rid of dhoni he plays the game for the wrong reasons he focuses more on ipl then tests that's wrong playing for your country should always be more important then making money in the ipl

  • atulks1963 on August 19, 2014, 3:42 GMT

    The Indian Women have performed creditably to win the one-off test at Taunton with eight debutants. The way Mithali Raj applied herself with debutant Shikha Pandey to guide India to a six wicket victory is an object lesson for the kohlis, Dhawans, Pujaras and Rahane etc. The last three tests were even worse than the scorecards of 1952 series against England when Trueman and Bedser played havoc with the Indian batting line up. In that series also Mankad made Lords his own test and both Vijays, Manjrekar and Hazare also fought against a high class English attack. Though we lost 0-4 in 2011, Rahul Dravid was the knight in shining armour by scoring three centuries, but here we were not able to bat for even two sessions more than once. This is was an abject surrender. I feel that Tendulkar and Dravid should be recalled to lend stability to the middle order. A.K.Srivastava, Salboni

  • wake_up_india on August 19, 2014, 3:10 GMT

    Many of the presenter commenters are forgetting the England also demolished India at home on rank turners. The problem for India runs deeper than "home sickness" on overseas tours. It has to do with redefining the game to be heavily biased towards high scores on dead flat pitches. When was the last time a bowler won an IPL match? Richie Benaud called IPL a tamasha and he was exactly right. The only plausible solution is to downgrade IPL (banning it would be better but is unlikely to be feasible), upgrade Ranji Trophy and play domestic matches on fast seaming wickets. It will be interesting to see how India fare against Anderson and Broad in England -- the wickets will not be any different nor the batsmen.

  • cricpanther on August 19, 2014, 3:07 GMT

    It's not tolerable specially against England, their team also new young team so as India. I am assuming Sunil Gawaskar also unhappy specially his close friend, admire Pataudi's trophy, is a proud trophy but it's all over. On the other hand, Gavakar is still fevering MSD!!! I am amazed, most of the time he is try to be the stream line with BCCI even though things are not right!! In other hand, Gavaskar is mis guiding the cricket Indial. His judgment for players are not that right. I would say decision for Kohli as vice captain for odi, was total blunder as sunny was fevering him. Now sunny keep on fevering MSD to remain test captain!! No doubt MSD perform but that does not mean that he should continue in test cricket!! Because of so many gavaskars, senior cricketers, lot of players did not get chance to be captain of team India, specially VVS laxman. Kumble become at the end of his carrier. So much of mis guide!!!! On the other hand, England senior cricketers are discussing together!

  • on August 19, 2014, 3:06 GMT

    Now face music in Australia. indias next tour.johnson and company waiting for u .come on guys more interesting days are waiting for u.

  • Cool_Jeeves on August 19, 2014, 3:04 GMT

    I admire the author for his persistence even when it is a lost cause. India wont do well in tests until the public loses interest in cricket, and cricketers look beyond IPL to correct technical flaws, and we have a serious test team selection policy including the choice of captain. Right now we have a bits and pieces cricketer as captain. He is not good enough as a batsman (he has done better than his team members in this series, but previously in heavy defeats by India, he has been the lowest scorer often), nor as a wicket keeper. But not one former player (Et tu, Sunny?) has come forward calling for his head, while we know that Vaughan publicly called for Cook to be sacked, and asking for the captain to be sacked in the middle or after a lost series is a time-honoured English tradition. Hence be patient, the cycle will turn.

  • on August 19, 2014, 3:03 GMT

    Clueless captaincy by dhoni .i think he should retire from test match cricket .and Duncan fletcher should be removed immediately.

  • duralsumo on August 19, 2014, 2:37 GMT

    India will keep on getting results like this if they continue to take the lackserdaysical preparation to each overseas tour they under take. I disagree with Laxman who said that tour matches serve no purpose. If a team is thrashing a team it will continue to do so. Take a look at India on Australia last year, Australia on England or England on Australia in 2010/11. Then have a look at Ashes last year in England. England were leading two nil. Austalia played a fixture in Sussex and regrouped. Australia nearly won at Old Trafford and played competively at Durham. So the tour match helped the Australian team regroup. In the first three series I mentioned there were mid tour matches and one side continued with its dominance. Call me old fashion. But it did stop the momentum Further I will not attack the IPL however is it co-incidental that the decline in India as a test nation has occurred with the IPL? India has the largest cricket population so the future of all cricket is in its hands.

  • on August 19, 2014, 2:30 GMT

    @ Those who think length of the series ,ie 5 -test series was the issue with Indian team, I would request them to see the facts! They been winning 1-0 after two tests and then they had 7-8 days of rest! if during the time they gone shopping instead of resting and preparing the bodies for next 3 tests whos fault is that ??

  • electric_loco_WAP4 on August 19, 2014, 2:30 GMT

    Could'nt be any better,compact summing up of Ind's series.All the 'pieces' been well put together to paint a true and rather poignant picture.Heres an interesting stat.Ind in last 5 t20i inngs- 736/20 W,last 5 odi inng- 782/32 W,last 5 test inng-733/50 W.

  • on August 19, 2014, 2:27 GMT

    2 Tier Test cricket ....... :) the idea ...... who proposed it a few years earlier ? :)

  • on August 19, 2014, 2:07 GMT

    If a team containing Sachin, Dravid, Sehwag and Viru looses in England, I am not surprised by this series loss. I would love to see how Ballance and Root play Indian conditions. England have consistently been hammered 5-0 in Tests in Australia even though their conditions are similar. Every nation is excellent in home conditions. Home conditions make it less challenging for home teams. India won at Lord's. India lost 2 matches without a fight. India might loose 4 in Australia. Thats cricket. They won the WC.They won the Champions Trophy and reached finals of T20WC in 3 different parts of the world. So support Team India at their lows or you have no business in enjoying their high's.

  • on August 19, 2014, 1:56 GMT

    To be honest, India aren't used to play 5 tests back to back. This is serious business and not like ODI or T20. When one team is down it takes great mental strength, courage and tactics to turn around the tables. Its like when knocked down, ref let the game go on for couple of minutes, where the victim would be pounded to pulp. Once the mental fatigue creeps in its hard to bounce back, but not impossible. The only positive is now that they know what is 5 test series is all about and it time to fix those flaws in technique and must have a systematic plan before touring regarding the host playing conditions and the adjustments needed to be made. Eg: Kohli was always playing to the initial line of delivery and not anticipating the swing and make late decision. After 9 failures, getting caught at slip trying to flick to the mid wicket is just too bad.

  • on August 19, 2014, 1:53 GMT

    It's not an unusual thing for Indian batsmen to struggle away from home. That's the price you get for producing full flat roads of pitches all the time to play on at home. Even when the likes of Tendulkar and The Wall were playing, Indian performances away from home were poor.

  • Johnny_129 on August 19, 2014, 1:43 GMT

    I think the Indian fans are to be blamed for this diabolical performance! That's right, I SAID IT - It had to be said! If the fans quit IPL, 85 percent of the problem will be resolved!!! Then the only thing left to do is fire Fletcher, leave Dhoni as captain but take away his powers of selecting the playing 11 and develop some fast bowlers. India should always play with 4 pace bowlers overseas and Ashwin as the all-rounder.

  • Cpt.Meanster on August 19, 2014, 1:29 GMT

    This is what happens when you let players with skills inclined towards ODIs and T20s into the test team. It's not the fault of these guys. You cannot suppress instinct, especially the aggressive stroke making nature of Indian batsmen who fare much better in the limited formats of the game. Definitely that's no excuse. But the time has come for India to have a SPECIALIZED test team IF they wish to balance out their standings across the three formats. Otherwise, the BCCI can cancel all their test schedules and simply focus on building a limited overs championship team for the next 10 years. Let's be realistic here. I have been following Indian cricket for the last 20 years and the ONLY thing that has kept me as an Indian supporter is India's achievements in limited overs cricket. If I was a test purist, I would have abandoned watching them a long time ago. Unless Indian cricket gets a complete make over, we can all expect similar results again in the future.

  • kasilingam on August 19, 2014, 1:24 GMT

    every team struggles when they come to asia..only few teams do better once in a while when they come to India..like aussie team in 2005 after that in 2012 england.same like with indian team.did win series in england and west indies ,,newzealand..they started to do well in overseas conditions once in a while.so stop blaming Indian team,its easy say bla bla then accepting the fact ,this kids are young and new eperience for them.how many series does gavaskar,ravishastri,sanjay manjerekar how won in overseas conditions?what type of changes they want in this indian team?

  • on August 19, 2014, 1:16 GMT

    This is young team and they need young captain too. Dhoni is totally dull since beginning his career, India got no. 1 is not because of his leadership skills but during those period India played only home games plus world class players in the 11. due to his leadership , india satisfed with draw instead of easy win (against WI in WI) . Now this new team new new captain plus new indian coach. if you see all the loss in last 2-3 years, only one thing is common, captain dhoni (there is another common unlucky ishant - but after no. of years i think he started delivering). so its high time, dhoni should be removed immediately as a test captain, but nothing will happen here, they will play against weak team WI on a flat track and he will again survive another couple of years.

  • dunger.bob on August 19, 2014, 1:10 GMT

    Please forgive me if this is wrong, but this is how it looks to me.

    India have done a great job of painting themselves into a corner and now they're a bit stuck. What I mean is this: Indian seems to be based on a 'star system', similar to Hollywood and maybe Bollywood. The fans are encouraged to come and watch the stars shine, bright and glorious. .. so what happens when it's proven that they're not actually stars at all. What if the fans can see that their 'stars' are really just asteroids with a bit of fancy tinsel hung around their necks. .. whoops. The whole system starts to look a bit sick then. The promoters have got a problem. "Roll up, roll up and watch the bit players shine" just doesn't have the same ring to it.

  • on August 19, 2014, 1:01 GMT

    It's hard to blame any one person in what appears to be a systematic failure. We've been so obsessed by the IPL and the wam-bam-thank-you-maam batting culture that our players have no real incentive, financial or otherwise to develop other aspects of their game once they make it big- like mental stamina and good old fashioned technique.

  • kalyanbk on August 19, 2014, 0:51 GMT

    While I certainly agree that the team management (captain and coach) should be held accountable for the shambolic performance, wasn't Rahul Dravid hired as a batting consultant for this tour? I wonder what he has to say about this debacle. It would be interesting to understand why the performance fell away from the third test even from the likes of Vijay and Rahane.

  • eddiehemmingswobble on August 19, 2014, 0:30 GMT

    If I was Indian I wouldn't worry too much. We have all seen this before when a number of long standing high class players all retire in a short period of time. Sehwag,Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman and even Kahn will take a long time to replace. Australia went through the same process when Warne, Mcgrath, Langer, Hayden, Gilchrist etc all retire in a short space of time. Australia had a very rough spell in the test arena thereafter. India will recover, its just going to take some time. However the Indian Cricket Board should be actively looking to play more test cricket away from the sub-continent to speed the process up. New Zealand and the West Indies would be a great place to start.

  • on August 19, 2014, 0:24 GMT

    Theres defeats and theres bad losses. This was mauling. If it was a boxing match it would have been stopped before the last test match, such was the thrashing.

  • Bobby_Talyarkhan on August 19, 2014, 0:11 GMT

    " India, seemingly, haven't asked for a proper four-day first-class match that can simulate Test conditions. This is the Duncan Fletcher way."

    At last someone has made the point I have been making all summer. Maybe Fletcher developed this prejudice after his experiences with the English counties when he was England coach trying to tie the players to central contracts who knows? IMHO it is the main reason for the shocking performance - although the BCCI has never been very forthcoming in offering the team competitive first class matches which bring in no revenue. On a 5 test tour no first class matches were provided for the players in the team to play themselves in and not even any practice matches after the first test. The result was that once the batsmen got in a rut they could not play themselves out of it. Gambhir was sent out to the wolves in the last two tests without having played first class cricket for several months. Dhoni admitted as much in his post-match interview.

  • supercoolfan on August 19, 2014, 0:07 GMT

    It is time for Fletcher to go!! No doubt about that. The players are judged by their performance on the field. Why isn't Fletcher being judged? Why is he still on board when the team continues to suffer losses one after another for the last four years? What happened in England in this tour should NOT be ignored by the selectors and the BCCI.

  • Harry_67 on August 19, 2014, 0:00 GMT

    England was a their lowest after drubbing at the hands of the Aussies and then loosing first ever series at home to SL and then down 0-1 to India. It is unfathomable that not only India could not drive the advantage home but ended up surrendering the series 1-3 from a position of dominance against a beaten down opposition!! This clearly shows a lack of Killer Instinct that has to come from the leadership of the team, to put it bluntly: DHONI DOESN'T HAVE IT IN HIM TO LEAD AND MOTIVATE HIS TROOPS! There is no better example of the 'Highest Paid and Lowest Performing' sports team in any sport than this Indian cricket team. Batsmen lacked application/focus required to face quality pace bowling, forget about the fast bowling, they could not handle a mediocre part time off spinner who was surprise-surprise turning more than Indian spinners, and that shows how abject Indian spinners were! I'm sure they'll go back to IPL and beating Bangladesh at home and everything will be rosy again!

  • doubtingthomas on August 18, 2014, 23:57 GMT

    There's been a deluge of politically correct analyses, so much so, that they must give the cricketers a sense of comfort or an ego trip if they read these (or are briefed). We need some very honest critiques, which directly address the elephant in the room. No one in India's cricket establishment, of which the captain has lately come to be a part of, cares about Cricket. Their minds are set on playing mind games out of the field.

    Captain Cool has gone on to become Captain Cold, or perhaps Captain Numb. We don't want unresponsive and placid faces. Factors such as tour scheduling, team selection, training, support services and incentives are necessary to address, if BCCI is intent on making this game a profit making machine. Profits are good, but without performance, they mean nothing to the fans. This is an opportunity to make some bold moves, and should not be squandered.

  • on August 18, 2014, 23:49 GMT

    You ask how bad must a defeat be to be unacceptable? My answer: A defeat as bad as when I've to apologize to my 4-year old for wasting his time.

  • spinkingKK on August 18, 2014, 23:20 GMT

    India, indeed, had bowlers who can win matches abroad. What India didn't have is a captain who understands the strength and weakness of its players correctly. As mentioned in the article, there was Dravid for a very short time period who handled the game with no personal prejudices and utilized each players to their strength. But, unfortunately, he lost a series and for some reason he resigned as the captain. There was Ravi Shastri who never got a chance as captain. Even if he did, at that time may be the team didn't have the bowlers to win the tests overseas. Sreesanth was a great prospect for India. But, never had the captain's backing. Ishant was great when he came into the team. But, been encouraged to bowl slow after that. Irfan Pathan and Balaji were very exciting. Irfan never looked like a player for Dhoni. Balaji, unfortunately had some injuries and never came back good. Praveen Kumar was very good. But, where is he now? Where is Umesh Yadav? Where will Aaron end up?

  • vroom84 on August 18, 2014, 23:20 GMT

    High time Dhoni is sacked from the test team, I know it feels like no one else deserves to be the captain either but it should be Virat. Agreed that he's in terrible form, but form is temporary, and captaincy can change things. Rohit did wonders for MI after being given the captaincy. I would get in some untried players like Kedar Jadhav, KL Rahul, Sanju Samson in the test team and have playing x1s like:

    Away:

    Vijay, KL Rahul, Pujara, Kohli (C), Rahane, Rohit / Kedar Jadhav, Samson (W), Ashwin, Bhuvi, Aaron, Ishant

    Home:

    Vijay, KL Rahul, Pujara, Kohli (C), Rahane, Samson (W), Jadeja, Aswhin, Bhuvi, Aaron, Ishant

  • on August 18, 2014, 23:13 GMT

    There is nothing worse than watching a whole team GIVE UP, but to do it in both innings, and in consecutive matches - so weak. And to think BCCI pushed through the big three protocols, pathetic (I'm still dark on Australia's involvement too). Perhaps India should only play minnow teams in Tests until they raise their standards.

  • legfinedeep on August 18, 2014, 22:57 GMT

    Dhoni is not even in the same league as Clarke as a Test captain.

  • JJJake on August 18, 2014, 22:24 GMT

    England has now beaten India both home and away. India has never won a test seriers in Australia . Australia have four series in India

  • Alexk400 on August 18, 2014, 21:44 GMT

    Even though i want to blame dhoni like everyone else for the loss. Dhoni is great captain if he has tools. His conservative philosophies still work when he has tools. His methods do not work when he do not have tools (real fast bowlers). When ever Indian fast bowler bowl well , he will win the teast. I mean dhoni never squander chances like rahul dravid did during his captaincy. The problem for me is that india can not find out and out tall fast bowlers out of 1 billion. The whole indian team gets rejunevated if they have single fast bowler. Because everyone will feel left out and wants to be start attraction. Batsman are like parasites in cricket team. They play out of the world when they know they can win the game with bowlers. Very difficult to bat when you know your team is not going to take 20 wickets. You needs to be super selfish to create purpose in that situation. Brian Lara did , Sachin did in that situation.

  • on August 18, 2014, 21:38 GMT

    The analysis by itself describes Team India and the way cricket is now played and followed in India. Short, crisp and business like. Perhaps the likes of Kohli ACTUALLY prefer the shorter version of the game and we the longing public prefer them to like the longer version. The ODIs should prove that Kohli won't be bothered if the balls move so much!

  • Nampally on August 18, 2014, 21:30 GMT

    India A Team that toured Australia would have done much better in England than the present Indian Test team under Dhoni. India A played as a team while Dhoni's Team had just few individuals shinning both in batting & bowling. Cricket is a Team game & unless all XI contribute, they are not playing as a team. A Captain has lot to do with the XI guys playing as a Team. Look at Indian Women's Team under Raj. They celebrate each wkt. with a huddle & remind themselves to focus on getting the next one Out. Has this ever happened under Dhoni in any Test match over the last 5 years. This Indian team started well with the Team work & then disintegrated from third Test onwards -Why?. Captain Dhoni has to answer that question. In Australian 2011 Tour there were 2 factions in the team under Sehwag & Dhoni. When Dhoni makes such irrational selection,it puts most players peeved off. India needs a new Captain who is a Leader & makes the XI guys play as a team. Unless that happens India keeps losing!

  • ameergkhan on August 18, 2014, 21:18 GMT

    I am a WI person watching cricket since late 1970. WI will always beat England in the 70, 80 & 90,s because their players always play in England & know their conditions (swing blowing, etc). My point is India need to have their PLAYERS get English conditions experience or else India will always be at the bottom. They look clue less against the swing blowing, its a dam SHAME to look at them, very" piety full" and ashamed to pay premium dollars to see the games. In India the are the Kings as some of the players will say "we will get you when you come to India". Keep hoping and think IPL will save India.

  • CricketingStargazer on August 18, 2014, 21:10 GMT

    @ShankarV You make an interesting comment that other fans have made. Dhoni was regarded as a great success as a batsman. He averaged 34.9. Alistair Cook averaged 49.7 and the general impression is that, although batting better, is nowhere near where England would like him to be. Ian Bell averaged 42.4 and was generally regarded as having a modest series (some England fans have been extremely critical of his performances bar one innings). Chris Jordan averaged 22.3 with the ball, yet many England fans feel that he has demonstrated that he is not good enough to play at this level.

    Is part of the problem that modest achievements by some Indian players are being talked up, setting the bar for success rather low for the rest? Something similar happened to England in Australia with Ben Stokes, who has since come back to earth with a bit of a bump after being talked up too much.

  • thinkgood on August 18, 2014, 20:45 GMT

    The problem with Indian Fans and Media is this panicky reaction from situations which seem irredeemable. This is the worst that ever will be just as Lords was not the best there either - as it was projected by the fans and media. Life goes on and India will come thru good with lessons leart in this series.

  • Zippydidodah on August 18, 2014, 20:42 GMT

    I don't think going for short series would particularly help India. They won at Lords because they played much better than England. However, it was India being OK and England being awful, and I don't think you can bet on other teams playing quite so poorly.

    A series of test matches with no practice matches in between, means the touring side needs to be settled and fit. Players who aren't in the tests, aren't going to get any match practice. If a batsman hasn't played in a foreign country, then they will get a better chance of learning away from a test match, with less pressure, with a lower standard of bowling, so the batsman can make some mistakes without immediately getting out. Players who are in the tests aren't going to get much rest and may pick up niggling injuries - hence Kumar's drop in pace through the series.

    Other than that, the big difference was in the fielding - dropped catches, poor backing up, and poor running between the wickets.

  • jimmyvida on August 18, 2014, 20:27 GMT

    Too much T20 cricket before a series like this. The adjustment is almost impossible. One look at the players after the second test and anyone can tell the blokes had it.

  • ShankarV on August 18, 2014, 20:18 GMT

    I think too much is being made of the fact that India won one test. Let us not forget that India barely saved the first test; the second test could've gone wither way. Of course, India won the second test, but with the benefit of hindsight, that has to be considered a flash in the pan. Dhoni's captaincy has been very uninspiring, his batting heroics in the last tests notwithstanding. What sort of defeat is unacceptable? The sort where you get thrashed by an innings in two consecutive matches and still talk about the process, but not the outcome etc. I really think Dhoni has failed as a captain, but the pity is - what is the alternative? India is really in a tough place as far as test cricket is concerned. We simply do not have too many options.

  • contrast_swing on August 18, 2014, 19:59 GMT

    Very happy to read this assessment of the series. Someone must take the responsibility -- and I dont mean just sacking some players but by making a resolve to make India a competitive side for away trips. It is time to bring Saurav back in the dressing room. He was the one took Indians out of the 90s, gave them the feeling of pride and self-respect and self-belief.

  • Raki99 on August 18, 2014, 19:57 GMT

    Nothing is gone change, India might be little bit competitive in the One dayers they might even win couple and then will head home to beat the west Indies, They would beat west indies in one dayers and test matches, and we all will think all the problem's have been resolved. Will get hammered by Australia 4-0 will lose In world cup and then changes would happen. So until 2015 April, Just enjoy this beating and I would enjoy this beating too (sarcastic Font)

  • glen1 on August 18, 2014, 19:47 GMT

    No matter how you reorganize Kohli, Dhawan, Sharma, Dhoni, Ashwin, and so on, you will never be able to get a winning card trick abroad. Their games have been figured out, though they are the best India has to offer. However, these same guys can do very well in One-day format. It is simply unfair to criticize them as unpatriotic and other nonsense. They have wilted in a format that they cannot excel abroad. Be smart, play less test cricket and recognize that the center for short form cricket is India.

  • on August 18, 2014, 19:46 GMT

    Now Blaming inexperience for a series loss is equal to beating about the bush. Everybody knew that Dravid, Laxman, Sachin and Ganguly have to achieve a point where they have to leave the game, BCCI and Dhoni should have sorted out this issue long before facing such losses. But they kept on playing with players like rohit,raina,jadeja,dhawan and pujara. These players kept scoring tons of runs on home soil. But whenever they were exposed to some testing conditions, the result was in white wash for India. I still am unable to accept that a country like Indian is getting out below 150 in innings after innings. As a south Asian cricket fan, it is very disturbing to see such heavy losses to the Giants of the game. I think India must play on foreign soils with equal ration as they play on their home soil. So that only players with sound technique can stay in Indian team.

  • cricket_lover1 on August 18, 2014, 19:31 GMT

    India need to induct raw fast bowling/spin bowlers just like other countries do. MOST IMP - Please find out two fast bowling alrounders wo can play at the test level. Also India should have 2-3 fast and bouncy pitches like Perth (May be in Nagpur,Banglore & Chandigarh) and Indian domestic level matches should be played there apart from playing in spin friendly pitches. That way bowlers can develop the skills playing in different kinds of pitches not just one type. Indian players basics needs to be corrected hence the quality of the domestic level cricket needs a huge correction..BCCI has money but not sure where its been invested. BCCI should encourage domestic level players by paying them well for the domestic matches, that way players will be willing to play test matches and will not just focus on IPL to make money. There should be prizes for Top Five batsmen/bowlers/fielders & that will also make the pool for selection in the national team.

  • cricketlover80 on August 18, 2014, 19:23 GMT

    Indian team should never play 5 test series abroad. They just don't have the bowlers or batsmen for the job. If this was a 2 test series, may be India would have won the series. The 3 test losses is gonna have a very big psychological impact on the ODI's. Problem is Indian team plays cricket non-stop and they do not have time to improvise themselves. Those players who are not on team, please go and play county cricket or practice on seaming pitches and make yourself a better cricketers. The BCCI should also be more welcoming to indian players participating in international domestic competitions even if its a t20 tournament. Please make a change and stop humiliating the country.

  • glen1 on August 18, 2014, 19:19 GMT

    The only cricket that the new breed of Indian cricketeers know is one-day and T20. It is all fine to say that Test cricket is the best form of cricket; it is another thing to ask, how does a skilled competitive cricketeer from Meerut or Muzaffarnagar see the worth in a five day attritional format? Where is all that going in an Indian world that is changing super fast, unless, things are slowed down by some artificial means. It takes some three hours of traffic to find a decent field/team to practice with. The long arduous and boring days of Test Cricket are over, at least for the Indian crowds. The best analogy to the current worries is to 'field Hockey'; everyone wakes up during Olympics and pines for the glory days of medals, without having ever watched or played field Hockey; no one wants to play or watch Test Cricket in India.

  • nisithchatur on August 18, 2014, 19:19 GMT

    the way SRT batted in lords for his 45 runs ,looks he can bat better then these so called gr8 young guns like kholi (next SRT),pujara ( next RD) damn.

  • CricketingStargazer on August 18, 2014, 19:19 GMT

    A brave article. Here's another stat for you:

    Since 2000 England and India have played 8 series. In the 5 series before 2011, India won 3 and shared the other two (2 series in England, 3 in India). England won just 2 Tests and lost 5, with the other 9 drawn.

    In the 3 series since 2011, India have lost every series (2 in England, 1 in India). England have won 9 and lost only 2 of the 13 Tests played, with 2 draws.

    Suddenly the balance of power, which had been strongly in India's favour for some 15 years, has shifted radically.

  • Temuzin on August 18, 2014, 19:00 GMT

    iNDIA LOST SIMPLY BECAUSE OF INABILITY OF Pujara, Kohli, Gambhir, and Rahane's batting. People will blame any body they want but these are the culprits. They had responsibility to score majority of the runs and they failed miserably.

  • ODI_BestFormOfCricket on August 18, 2014, 19:00 GMT

    @amitverma national shame! no? it is just a game! there is more we should ashamed of.

  • on August 18, 2014, 18:54 GMT

    First thing which needs to be done is kick Duncan out its high tym we expect something from him......Secong thing is to stick with one opening pair and I guess we can reconsider for Sehwag....have some batting mentor for the team who can nourish players throughout the year best can be Gavaskar or Vengsarkar.....

  • nainil0683 on August 18, 2014, 18:52 GMT

    Indian team is in serious competition with itself. They want to break their own records of losing the test match in record amount of time.

  • on August 18, 2014, 18:49 GMT

    I was going to write my analysis but read what @inswing wrote. Agree with him. In addition, I have a request for BCCI. Please play more tests and play them outside India. Don't just keep milking Indian fans by serving them one-dimensional IPL. We Indian fans deserve better than that.

  • on August 18, 2014, 18:41 GMT

    I am a cricket lover and love cricketers, irrespective of what country they play for. I also know how franatic indian fans are and they expect every indian crickter to perform way beyond their expectations. Some of the indian cricketers are not quality stroke makers, but they score nevertheless. With the strong IPL involvement and influence indian cricket has lost the master art of batting and look at indian legends and how well they played thier cricket. Did they have the same bold media coverage they have today? I dont think so. In todays cricket india media is playing a major role and players are projected larger than life. How did media commented when they won the second test in England? What happened soon after. The entire team was taken apart. Any good cricket analyst would know that india had just an out side chance of winning a five test series in England. But media wanted them to win.players believed the media than thier own strengths.

  • suman2 on August 18, 2014, 18:38 GMT

    Dhoni must go from test cricket, despite his batting and Fletcher and party from the Indian dressing room, permanently. Dhoni is simply not the best keeper and stands too deep and too upright. The best keeper in the country deserves the test place. Dhoni should continue to lead the side in limited overs cricket though.However, I doubt this will happen and must question the selectors who select the selectors of this team.

    I am not saying this as a reaction to this defeat but since the summer of 2011. What happened is yet another demonstration of spineless team performance, lack of passion, pride and care; all stemming from, I suspect, inadequate confidence due to collective leadership failure. A lesser degree of dejection over a decade ago heralded Ganguly era, but a certain Mr Srinivasan inspires much less confidence compared to Dalmiya then.

  • raamanck on August 18, 2014, 18:33 GMT

    If some of our Billionaires Cricketers have honestly thought of how our countless people had sacrificed for our Independence which would indeed indubiously have given them some inspiration atleast we would have saved some grace even if we lost this Oval match. People might have appreciated for their courageousness in going down fighting.

    These Woakes and Jordans are not as menacing as Ryan Harris,Mit Johnson,Peter Siddle, Pattinson and ever improving Lyon. Once you see through the opening overs that too maximum of 3 or 4 overs from Mitch who will come in another 8 or 10 overs later, it will never be as easy against arrogant Aussies as against these Englishmen. Utter Disgrace to sell your wickets to these back up seamers (gentle medium fast bowlers with not great amount of seam and more importantly swing).Besides they are more aggressive than these soft English. Finally Dhoni's captaincy can never be compared and he can never match with Pup's.

  • JJJake on August 18, 2014, 18:24 GMT

    New Zealand currently is a much better test side than India. Zimbabwe would have faired better in five test series against England than what India did. What's all this big three talk.

  • Arijit_in_TO on August 18, 2014, 18:21 GMT

    "There was an upswing under Rahul Dravid, who wanted to try things even if the bowlers were not that good." This persistence by some to conflate the obduracy and brilliance of Dravid as cricketer with the mediocrity of his test captaincy record has no place here.

    It is excellent that this happened --again. The Indian cricketers, particularly the batsmen, can go back to comfortable slap dash short order cricket since Test cricket is too hard a test for them.

  • supercoolfan on August 18, 2014, 18:21 GMT

    The BCCI MUST intervene NOW, or everything about Indian cricket will be lost! Time to evaluate the coach! The Indian fans deserve better.

  • rajkirp on August 18, 2014, 18:16 GMT

    The Indian selectors will use Gambhir, Pankaj Singh and Binny as the fall guys for the loss and not select them again. To begin with they were selectorial mistakes. They should never have been in the Test squad. They do need to be dropped. But did we lose because of these 3 only? Were they the primary cause of failure? The real reasons are way beyond bad batting, bowling and fielding. These exist. Lack of interest in Test cricket, cramped schedules and poor preparation are the reasons hurting Indian cricket. And even more hurting is the continuous disregard to set these aspects right. As everyone says, BCCI does not care. The money is coming in whether the Indian team wins or loses. So we can be assured of more of similar performances again - till the Indian fan gives up cricket.

  • ravi_klgi on August 18, 2014, 18:13 GMT

    I think Binny has been very unfortunate in this series for none of his mistake! He saves the first test, even after that people questioned his place. Then in the second test first innings, he gets very bad decision and gets out. Then in the bowling, Dhoni and slips refuse to catch anything off his bowling. It is all about confidence. If your team is not supporting you, how can he perform better! I think he got a very raw deal here.

  • BUCG on August 18, 2014, 18:11 GMT

    Bring back sehwag as captain and you'll see how he takes India again to the No.1 as he did in 2008/2009/2010

  • on August 18, 2014, 18:09 GMT

    It's a national shame... Can BCCI pls spend money in organizing some Ranji matches in England or Australia!!! Then hopefully the next gen team can hold their heads high with pride in overseas test series someday.. And isn't it time to get new coach??

  • on August 18, 2014, 18:06 GMT

    Any Defeat is fine but ignominious surrender without showing any stomach for fight is simply unacceptable. Any club team would have scored more than 94 runs. Its a deep deep scar for an Indian Cricket fan .Solution is right below : 1) Right from under 14, under 19 level spot the talent & send him to play in English, South African & Australian conditions 2) India A Team away tours to the above mentioned countries should be continued with utmost importance with due emphasis given to test matches. 3) Improve the quality of wickets(more pace & bounce) in Ranji & Duleep trophy matches Really this is the lowest of lows in Indian cricket. Its a pity that Cricket administrators are more busy in minting the money through IPL than addressing the root cause of this debacle. Any team cannot be called a top team if they cannot perform in overseas conditions. Its high time Indian cricket should wake up to the realities.... & address them else we despite being the game's financial powerhouse would

  • inswing on August 18, 2014, 17:59 GMT

    All losses are tolerable. They just seem intolerable initially. But fans have a short memory and life goes on, especially in Indian conditions. Things that should be done: (1) replace dhoni as captain. his bad captaincy has hurt India for long enough. but with whom? has to be kohli or pujara, but given their form it is questionable. what kind of message would it send - if you fail continuously for five tests, we will make you captain? no good choices, because everyone is new. ashwin is horribly ineffective too outside india, and cannot be captain because his place is not certain either. looks like dhoni will remain captain for one more series. (2) duncan fletcher has to go. (3) binny dropped for good (4) gambhir dropped for good (5) jadeja not played as specialist spinner, selected only in india (6) remedial work on dhawan, pujara, kohli techniques (7) don't bring in raina, please, we already know he cannot bat outside india. (8) work with shami for the runup issue.

  • Smithie on August 18, 2014, 17:50 GMT

    If the BCCI and the Indian team don't care then they should stop resisting DRS. Do they do not seem to realise how corrosive this issue is for their them? Surely this tour has proven to them that in cricketing terms they will benefit from DRS - without it they paid dearly this time around.

  • ItHappensOnlyInIndia on August 18, 2014, 17:36 GMT

    Nothing wrong in losing but losing without pride and fight is unacceptable. Change will only happen when we (fans) take it on us. Imagine a world where fans, cricinfo, press and all forms of media ignore BCCI and all cricket for one year or until they really show any sign of progress and being competitive outside the subcontinent. Simple message to the BCCI and its players - you don't care about us then we don't care about you either.

  • crindo77 on August 18, 2014, 17:14 GMT

    BCCI and Indian team don't care. Preserve your writing prowess and anguish for the WC and Ashes

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  • crindo77 on August 18, 2014, 17:14 GMT

    BCCI and Indian team don't care. Preserve your writing prowess and anguish for the WC and Ashes

  • ItHappensOnlyInIndia on August 18, 2014, 17:36 GMT

    Nothing wrong in losing but losing without pride and fight is unacceptable. Change will only happen when we (fans) take it on us. Imagine a world where fans, cricinfo, press and all forms of media ignore BCCI and all cricket for one year or until they really show any sign of progress and being competitive outside the subcontinent. Simple message to the BCCI and its players - you don't care about us then we don't care about you either.

  • Smithie on August 18, 2014, 17:50 GMT

    If the BCCI and the Indian team don't care then they should stop resisting DRS. Do they do not seem to realise how corrosive this issue is for their them? Surely this tour has proven to them that in cricketing terms they will benefit from DRS - without it they paid dearly this time around.

  • inswing on August 18, 2014, 17:59 GMT

    All losses are tolerable. They just seem intolerable initially. But fans have a short memory and life goes on, especially in Indian conditions. Things that should be done: (1) replace dhoni as captain. his bad captaincy has hurt India for long enough. but with whom? has to be kohli or pujara, but given their form it is questionable. what kind of message would it send - if you fail continuously for five tests, we will make you captain? no good choices, because everyone is new. ashwin is horribly ineffective too outside india, and cannot be captain because his place is not certain either. looks like dhoni will remain captain for one more series. (2) duncan fletcher has to go. (3) binny dropped for good (4) gambhir dropped for good (5) jadeja not played as specialist spinner, selected only in india (6) remedial work on dhawan, pujara, kohli techniques (7) don't bring in raina, please, we already know he cannot bat outside india. (8) work with shami for the runup issue.

  • on August 18, 2014, 18:06 GMT

    Any Defeat is fine but ignominious surrender without showing any stomach for fight is simply unacceptable. Any club team would have scored more than 94 runs. Its a deep deep scar for an Indian Cricket fan .Solution is right below : 1) Right from under 14, under 19 level spot the talent & send him to play in English, South African & Australian conditions 2) India A Team away tours to the above mentioned countries should be continued with utmost importance with due emphasis given to test matches. 3) Improve the quality of wickets(more pace & bounce) in Ranji & Duleep trophy matches Really this is the lowest of lows in Indian cricket. Its a pity that Cricket administrators are more busy in minting the money through IPL than addressing the root cause of this debacle. Any team cannot be called a top team if they cannot perform in overseas conditions. Its high time Indian cricket should wake up to the realities.... & address them else we despite being the game's financial powerhouse would

  • on August 18, 2014, 18:09 GMT

    It's a national shame... Can BCCI pls spend money in organizing some Ranji matches in England or Australia!!! Then hopefully the next gen team can hold their heads high with pride in overseas test series someday.. And isn't it time to get new coach??

  • BUCG on August 18, 2014, 18:11 GMT

    Bring back sehwag as captain and you'll see how he takes India again to the No.1 as he did in 2008/2009/2010

  • ravi_klgi on August 18, 2014, 18:13 GMT

    I think Binny has been very unfortunate in this series for none of his mistake! He saves the first test, even after that people questioned his place. Then in the second test first innings, he gets very bad decision and gets out. Then in the bowling, Dhoni and slips refuse to catch anything off his bowling. It is all about confidence. If your team is not supporting you, how can he perform better! I think he got a very raw deal here.

  • rajkirp on August 18, 2014, 18:16 GMT

    The Indian selectors will use Gambhir, Pankaj Singh and Binny as the fall guys for the loss and not select them again. To begin with they were selectorial mistakes. They should never have been in the Test squad. They do need to be dropped. But did we lose because of these 3 only? Were they the primary cause of failure? The real reasons are way beyond bad batting, bowling and fielding. These exist. Lack of interest in Test cricket, cramped schedules and poor preparation are the reasons hurting Indian cricket. And even more hurting is the continuous disregard to set these aspects right. As everyone says, BCCI does not care. The money is coming in whether the Indian team wins or loses. So we can be assured of more of similar performances again - till the Indian fan gives up cricket.

  • supercoolfan on August 18, 2014, 18:21 GMT

    The BCCI MUST intervene NOW, or everything about Indian cricket will be lost! Time to evaluate the coach! The Indian fans deserve better.