England v India, 4th ODI, Edgbaston September 2, 2014

Dhoni pleased with 'complete' victory

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About three weeks ago the India players looked like they were being led to the gallows. Dispirited, just turning up to take their beating. No matter how ordinary England have been as an ODI side, the comeback, in spirit and in their minds, has been remarkable. This ODI series could easily have ended as an extension of the Tests. Losing can become a habit hard to kick. Sometimes when you lose as badly as they did - their opening stands over the last four Tests added up to 187, only a few more than Ajinkya Rahane and Shikhar Dhawan at Edgbaston - you become your own opposition.

India haven't, and they have improved every game. It needed an inspiring knock, which came from Suresh Raina, to start them off. Two matches later they played the near-perfect ODI. MS Dhoni thinks so, too. "The good thing is, we have kept improving from the first ODI on," he said. "That's definitely a big positive. It was a good toss to win today. The fast bowlers bowled really well initially and gave us those early breakthroughs, because of which we were able to put pressure on their middle order. Overall, I'm very happy. Jinks [Rahane] also got a century. We got an opening partnership. So a complete game for us."

When wins come about so easily for a team that failed to win a single game on their last two ODI tours, when the opposition is so clearly out of their league, it is well advised to not get lulled into a false sense of confidence. However, Dhoni won't have the sense of achievement questioned. He was asked after the match if he felt his side was pushed and tested enough by England, keeping in mind their previous two overseas series and with an eye on the World Cup. "How do you want us to be tested?" an unimpressed Dhoni shot back.

Dhoni went on to say they were not tested because they didn't let England test them. "That's what happens in cricket," Dhoni said. "At times, you get early breakthroughs and you think that your batting or bowling has not been tested. You only get tested when you don't get those breakthroughs. When you don't get those early wickets and then the wicket doesn't help you in middle overs, the spinners find it difficult to get wickets.

"We were not tested because our fast bowlers bowled well initially in the game. Where they didn't bowl well, the spinners took the responsibility. So on and off it was good. Batting, we have kept improving from the first game, which I feel is important. We will only see how much we will be tested. Testing is good, but you don't always want to be tested. You want to win games easily too, you don't always want to hang in until the 49th-50th over."

There had always been a fear that India will forget the Test debacle once they resume winning in the ODIs, or in Tests at home. This has been a strange old tour. India have been hopeless in the last three Tests, England even more so in the ODIs. When asked how much of a consolation this series win would be to India, Dhoni suggested Tests were a different universe, a universe he didn't want to travel to at the moment.

"It's not only that," Dhoni said. "It's not about consolation prizes. It's about winning the series. Once you have lost the Test series, there is no real point thinking about it, because it is done and dusted. With the World Cup coming up, it is very important we start doing well outside the subcontinent. We don't think about what happened in the Test series, and what will happen in the future series."

When you are having a tough tour, and when you are switching formats during that tough tour, this mindset can help arrest a slide. "We kept it simple," Dhoni said. "The change of format helps. The demands are very different. That to some extent eases the pressure."

This win was extra special for Dhoni. He has won the World Cup and Champions Trophy as a captain, but this ODI gave him an accumulative record too. It took him past Mohammad Azharuddin as India's most successful captain in ODIs. Dhoni took the moment to thank the players who have made it possible. "When I started leading the team, I got a fantastic team then, and I have got a fantastic side right now," Dhoni said. "There will be ups and downs, but thanks to everyone. Whoever I have played with. Without their contribution it wouldn't really have been possible. All the senior players I played with and who played under me, followed by the youngsters. I personally feel we are a very good, fantastic ODI side. And there will be ups and downs, but what is important is to keep the intent positive. Thanks to all the players."

Sidharth Monga is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • RohanMarkJay on September 5, 2014, 10:17 GMT

    Congrats to MS Dhoni and the Indian team. I reckon this proves they should have done a lot better in the Test series. They are a good cricket team. Like MS Dhoni says, with the world cup coming up. ODI series was far more important than the test series. I reckon India will be a force in the world cup in Australia and New Zealand. I admit I like India they play this game in the right spirit, good luck and all the best to them I enjoy watching them.

  • iamgroot on September 4, 2014, 12:09 GMT

    Amazing how "some" so called arm chair critics come here and deride Dhoni and his achievements hiding behind their computer like keyboard warriors. Ravi shastri's presence no doubt made difference but to say that Ravi Shastri was the ONLY reason why india done well is pathetic and absurd.It is the PLAYERS who play ON the field not Ravi Shastri. Some people talk like Ravi shastri won the game for us. That is disgusting bcoz u r taking the toil away from players who with skill and talent performed on the field. Dhoni as a captain did amazing job in ODIs. Ravi Shastri's presence made sure that right team was selected which is good for supporters. Whether anyone likes it or not and Dhoni is the BEST ODI captain and T20 captain. Even in tests he has done his bit, too bad players didn't perform their roles properly. Batsmen floundered, bowlers couldnt take wickets. in last 3 matches. Dhoni has the personality to talk to his players, haters pls take hike or stop watching till Dhoni retires

  • on September 4, 2014, 10:25 GMT

    why don't we just concede that England are better than India in tests and India are better than England in one day and T20 cricket. Unfortunately, Test format does not have have a world cup, and does not deserve such a tournament .. so if england want to be content with their performance they can forget about getting the cup that matters... India -2 Australia -3 Windies -3 Pakistan -1 SL -1 Eng -0

  • on September 4, 2014, 8:06 GMT

    I bet if India's ODI and test ranking was reversed and they were winning tests instead of ODIs the comments on here would be a bit different. I am a fan of all three formats but there is no denying that the shorter the format the more of a coin toss it is. Test cricket allows the best teams to have an off day or a couple of bad session and still win or draw. Cricket in its true form is test cricket

  • BackStreetBowler on September 4, 2014, 7:19 GMT

    Good to see India dominate the version that really matters. Though most people commenting here might not concede it, Test cricket is going the way of the Dodo.

    I have been watching cricket for nearly 35 years now. I haven't met anyone who has seen a test match for more than 10 minutes at a time recently. The only ones who seem to catch every minute are either the commentators or the portly old gentlemen one sees on English grounds.

    Only ODIs and T20s really matter. I think India is wise in not trying to invest heavily into building test teams. The death knell cometh for test cricket soon.

  • salil247 on September 4, 2014, 6:39 GMT

    @MiddleStump- You are basically saying Tests are the real test of batting. By the same logic, ODIs are the real test of bowling. You see, it doesn't matter WHAT the rules are in ODIs. They are the same for BOTH teams, hence the spirit of competition is alive and well, and that is all that matters. The better team will win. The same people who find the shorter format more interesting and tests boring are obviously the ones who believe the shorter format is the evolution of cricket, not a contrivance.

  • on September 4, 2014, 6:02 GMT

    India win because English selector puting same set of plyers in odi too.If u have no option than its fine but if u have option than its called blunder.Cook is not aggressive captain. Why English selector would not picking Bopara,Owais shah and samit patil evenly tremlet in the one day squad .Bopara is a excellent middle order player.He has both Technic,he will play both defensive and attacking game same story about shah after England loss trott for some reason he is the best replacement.He has attacking technic and both players can bowl bit of medium pace with tight line and length.But most important thing is they are first batter than bowler.So my playing 11 of fourth one day is bell(captain),moin ali,Morgan,Bopara,shah/root,butler,hales,tradewell,bresnan/tremlet finn and aderson.if morgan is out of form so i give option to morgan to go number3 and play shots.

  • on September 4, 2014, 5:37 GMT

    Nice to see india wining a series in overseas. But, current England team is not so great in ODI. Especially batting lineup. I hope we cant forget recently concluded ODI's (SA & NZ). We have to wait for Australia series to know exact performance of india. Rahena can open the game with M Vijay. I hope Dhawan also not capable to do open. Changing the captaincy before WC 2015, will not be sensible. I think next captain should be R Ashwin. He is great in all format. He knows what and how to execute the plan at difficult sutivation and more passion than Kholi. I am yuvi should return back to team with his full strength. No one can replace him.

  • PomarJagadish on September 4, 2014, 5:37 GMT

    The way which they won shows n speaks about the ODI team....Without Dhoni n Virat firing we are getting these sought of victories....Guess if they show their mettle how it would be......

    I strongly agree India are top contenders..India should go with their strength(6bt+2 spinnin all rounders+3 Fast bowlers) in Australia tooo rather than fitting Binny in mix of things and disturbing the momentum n combinations.....

    Dhawan...Rahane....Virat....Rohit....Raina....Dhoni.

    This are World class players in this ODI Format especially n have Jaddu n Ash to Support them in Slog overs if needed...

    Keep Wickets in hand till 30 n double the sore there after is the Mantra of this Indian Team and Should be the Mantra going ahead into WC2015

  • MiddleStump on September 4, 2014, 4:12 GMT

    @salil247. Taking nothing away from an excellent performance by India in the ODI. But there is a little bit more than personal opinion when it comes to the different formats of cricket. The objective fact is that the shorter formats are derived from the Test format, not the other way round. The shorter formats suppress the skill of bowlers in many ways. By limiting the number of overs any bowler can bowl, by placing restrictions on how many fielders can stand where at different stages of the match, by limiting the size of the boundaries etc etc. Let us face it, if we place enough restrictions on bowlers and fielders, even our grandma can score a few runs. Those with the most skills in bowling, suffer the most with these restrictions. Some may find the shorter format more interesting and tests to be boring. That is indeed a personal preference. But there is no doubt that the shorter format is a contrived sport.

  • RohanMarkJay on September 5, 2014, 10:17 GMT

    Congrats to MS Dhoni and the Indian team. I reckon this proves they should have done a lot better in the Test series. They are a good cricket team. Like MS Dhoni says, with the world cup coming up. ODI series was far more important than the test series. I reckon India will be a force in the world cup in Australia and New Zealand. I admit I like India they play this game in the right spirit, good luck and all the best to them I enjoy watching them.

  • iamgroot on September 4, 2014, 12:09 GMT

    Amazing how "some" so called arm chair critics come here and deride Dhoni and his achievements hiding behind their computer like keyboard warriors. Ravi shastri's presence no doubt made difference but to say that Ravi Shastri was the ONLY reason why india done well is pathetic and absurd.It is the PLAYERS who play ON the field not Ravi Shastri. Some people talk like Ravi shastri won the game for us. That is disgusting bcoz u r taking the toil away from players who with skill and talent performed on the field. Dhoni as a captain did amazing job in ODIs. Ravi Shastri's presence made sure that right team was selected which is good for supporters. Whether anyone likes it or not and Dhoni is the BEST ODI captain and T20 captain. Even in tests he has done his bit, too bad players didn't perform their roles properly. Batsmen floundered, bowlers couldnt take wickets. in last 3 matches. Dhoni has the personality to talk to his players, haters pls take hike or stop watching till Dhoni retires

  • on September 4, 2014, 10:25 GMT

    why don't we just concede that England are better than India in tests and India are better than England in one day and T20 cricket. Unfortunately, Test format does not have have a world cup, and does not deserve such a tournament .. so if england want to be content with their performance they can forget about getting the cup that matters... India -2 Australia -3 Windies -3 Pakistan -1 SL -1 Eng -0

  • on September 4, 2014, 8:06 GMT

    I bet if India's ODI and test ranking was reversed and they were winning tests instead of ODIs the comments on here would be a bit different. I am a fan of all three formats but there is no denying that the shorter the format the more of a coin toss it is. Test cricket allows the best teams to have an off day or a couple of bad session and still win or draw. Cricket in its true form is test cricket

  • BackStreetBowler on September 4, 2014, 7:19 GMT

    Good to see India dominate the version that really matters. Though most people commenting here might not concede it, Test cricket is going the way of the Dodo.

    I have been watching cricket for nearly 35 years now. I haven't met anyone who has seen a test match for more than 10 minutes at a time recently. The only ones who seem to catch every minute are either the commentators or the portly old gentlemen one sees on English grounds.

    Only ODIs and T20s really matter. I think India is wise in not trying to invest heavily into building test teams. The death knell cometh for test cricket soon.

  • salil247 on September 4, 2014, 6:39 GMT

    @MiddleStump- You are basically saying Tests are the real test of batting. By the same logic, ODIs are the real test of bowling. You see, it doesn't matter WHAT the rules are in ODIs. They are the same for BOTH teams, hence the spirit of competition is alive and well, and that is all that matters. The better team will win. The same people who find the shorter format more interesting and tests boring are obviously the ones who believe the shorter format is the evolution of cricket, not a contrivance.

  • on September 4, 2014, 6:02 GMT

    India win because English selector puting same set of plyers in odi too.If u have no option than its fine but if u have option than its called blunder.Cook is not aggressive captain. Why English selector would not picking Bopara,Owais shah and samit patil evenly tremlet in the one day squad .Bopara is a excellent middle order player.He has both Technic,he will play both defensive and attacking game same story about shah after England loss trott for some reason he is the best replacement.He has attacking technic and both players can bowl bit of medium pace with tight line and length.But most important thing is they are first batter than bowler.So my playing 11 of fourth one day is bell(captain),moin ali,Morgan,Bopara,shah/root,butler,hales,tradewell,bresnan/tremlet finn and aderson.if morgan is out of form so i give option to morgan to go number3 and play shots.

  • on September 4, 2014, 5:37 GMT

    Nice to see india wining a series in overseas. But, current England team is not so great in ODI. Especially batting lineup. I hope we cant forget recently concluded ODI's (SA & NZ). We have to wait for Australia series to know exact performance of india. Rahena can open the game with M Vijay. I hope Dhawan also not capable to do open. Changing the captaincy before WC 2015, will not be sensible. I think next captain should be R Ashwin. He is great in all format. He knows what and how to execute the plan at difficult sutivation and more passion than Kholi. I am yuvi should return back to team with his full strength. No one can replace him.

  • PomarJagadish on September 4, 2014, 5:37 GMT

    The way which they won shows n speaks about the ODI team....Without Dhoni n Virat firing we are getting these sought of victories....Guess if they show their mettle how it would be......

    I strongly agree India are top contenders..India should go with their strength(6bt+2 spinnin all rounders+3 Fast bowlers) in Australia tooo rather than fitting Binny in mix of things and disturbing the momentum n combinations.....

    Dhawan...Rahane....Virat....Rohit....Raina....Dhoni.

    This are World class players in this ODI Format especially n have Jaddu n Ash to Support them in Slog overs if needed...

    Keep Wickets in hand till 30 n double the sore there after is the Mantra of this Indian Team and Should be the Mantra going ahead into WC2015

  • MiddleStump on September 4, 2014, 4:12 GMT

    @salil247. Taking nothing away from an excellent performance by India in the ODI. But there is a little bit more than personal opinion when it comes to the different formats of cricket. The objective fact is that the shorter formats are derived from the Test format, not the other way round. The shorter formats suppress the skill of bowlers in many ways. By limiting the number of overs any bowler can bowl, by placing restrictions on how many fielders can stand where at different stages of the match, by limiting the size of the boundaries etc etc. Let us face it, if we place enough restrictions on bowlers and fielders, even our grandma can score a few runs. Those with the most skills in bowling, suffer the most with these restrictions. Some may find the shorter format more interesting and tests to be boring. That is indeed a personal preference. But there is no doubt that the shorter format is a contrived sport.

  • Lion_Wallaby on September 4, 2014, 3:31 GMT

    If 4-1 Test lose and 3-0 Odi is a complete win what do you call 1-0 Test win and 3-2 Odi and 1-0 T20 win by SL??? Complete Whitewash!!

  • OttawaRocks on September 4, 2014, 3:27 GMT

    I really am enjoying India taking England to the woodshed. Complete domination.

  • INDSlider on September 4, 2014, 3:21 GMT

    Good luck Dhoni for 4-0 clean sweep.

  • on September 4, 2014, 3:17 GMT

    india outplay eng bc eng players doent included in ipl whereas other countries like nz and SA ..most of their players are playing ipl so they have knowledge how to spinners but for england player they dont have idea..thanx to ECB to not allow there players to play IPL

  • salil247 on September 4, 2014, 3:15 GMT

    @myStraightTalk- "Any cricket playing nation is judged by the skills in Test Matches and not by the shorter version of the game (ODI and T20)." Your forgot to add, "In my opinion!". Just as in MY opinion, I find Tests to be more of a test of my patience rather than the cricketers' so called skill. In ODIs you can't just focus on outlasting the opponent, you have to survive AND score runs, because there is no such thing as a DRAW in ODIs, is there? You play for FIVE days in Tests and it might turn out to be a draw. Not exciting, in MY OPINION. "Opinion" is the operative word here. If you want to "judge" cricket playing nations "by the skills in Test Matches", good on you. I judge them by their skills in all 3 formats.

  • on September 4, 2014, 1:09 GMT

    I am an Indian and I am definitely happy to see India winning. Yet questions are always there. Dhoni seems to do well when his strategies work. His strategies include choking the opposition with part time bowlers and his spinners. When his strategies don't work, how will things go? Like what happened in SA and NZ. In both the countries, batsmen had no problem with Indian bowling. That is where the question of England weakness comes up. Why were Indians thoroughly outplayed in SA and NZ?

  • IrvingPhillipFreely on September 4, 2014, 1:08 GMT

    Indians might do well without this guy in tests but for one dayers and t20 bashups he's head and shoulders above his peers. I cant think of a captain who can keep pulling off wins with the trundlers he usually has at his disposal. One dayers are changing, thats for sure. Oz recently showed that muddled selections and a fair dose of hubris is more than enough to fluff a game against the mildest of opposition.

  • sampu_sheikh on September 4, 2014, 0:54 GMT

    Dhoni is an excellent ODI and T20 captain, I also think that he is a very capable test player. But his captaincy strategy is not ideal for winning Test matches. He should stay in the team, but give the captaincy to Kohli or Rohit. His keeping will also improve with the reduced stress as well. Dhoni the test player is more valuable to India than Dhoni the test captain.

  • BGKrishna on September 3, 2014, 23:56 GMT

    Rahane is technically much better equipped than the more hyped Pujara. He should open instead of Rohit who is simply not international class outside of Nagpur. Rahane has also overcome his reluctance to hit the white ball. Its time Kohli is put on watch list by including Manish Tewari along with Raina, Rayudu. Along with Dhawan, Dhoni, Jadeja, Ashwin, this would make a great batting line up. That leaves Bhuvi, Shami and Umesh/ Varun as possible seam attack. Vijay and Wridhiman Saha could be standbys to complete the 13.

  • on September 3, 2014, 23:43 GMT

    This ODI triumph is dangerous; people will forget the horrible test series loss and will move on..a loss in ODI series will make the board re think the reality..

  • on September 3, 2014, 23:02 GMT

    Dhoni and management need to think about world cup 2014 in Australia more than this oneday series, so they must give chances to players in the17 member squad, specially Sanju Samson needs be given at least one chance, he could be a reserved wicket keeper or specialist batsman in Australia, he performed well in Australian recent tour & he is in form, this young gem must be looked after very well for the future,

  • cric_lover_1991 on September 3, 2014, 22:57 GMT

    we are forgetting how easily aus faced our spinners in our own backyard in odis scored every time 300+ is our spin really good in AUS? eng youg team clueless in spin. how did you forget Decock 3 hundreds in 3 odis amla, devilliers 100's and 50's resp odis against us with this same team. and NZ team whitewashed us in odis which is low profiled batsmen and bowlers and except this odi our pacers failed in last two odis to take wkts where as in AUS we arent gonna to take more than 5wkts in tests or odi's with this mediocre pace bowlers. in AUS WE WILL CAME WITH EMPTY HANDSIN BOTH ODIS AND TESTS

  • cric_lover_1991 on September 3, 2014, 22:45 GMT

    all our indians are saying world cup for ODI'S not for TESTS they forgetting that in 2015 after WC there is an event that been already scheduled called ICC TEST CHAMPIONSHIP CUP 2015 with TOP-4 or TOP-5 Teams we are even not in that list now where we are got world test status after eng,aus,sa next we. SA, AUS, ENG started their test plans for ICC Test champ. even come to prize value ICC TEST CHAMP has more than ODI WC..... ESPN please publish this

  • on September 3, 2014, 22:05 GMT

    It was great win against england now upcoming game is dead rubber so i am expecting Samson and karn sharma should get game.

  • on September 3, 2014, 21:59 GMT

    Dhoni and Indian team should understand winning in ODIs doesnot mean they should forget about how badly they lost in the last 3 tests.... As Sunil Gavaskar said ODIs should be kept seperate from Tests....

  • on September 3, 2014, 21:21 GMT

    Rahane proved what he can do opening the Batsman . Don't get hit or miss Rohit to open ..better to play him in last overs as he has good six hitting record..also good for Rohit ..will be in IPL mood in slog overs ,.better for him an team..

  • Nampally on September 3, 2014, 20:36 GMT

    Kudos to Ravi Shastri for turning this team from Losers to Winners, from spineless to Gutsy & spirited batting, from butter Fingers to brilliant fielders, from defensive bowlers into wicket Takers. Shastri Made this team into Believers in themselves both mentally & physically. What Dhoni + Fletcher + all his foreign coaches could not do in 3 years, Shastri did it in just 4 weeks. They are showing it all by their performance. There were strong critics who were anti-change & some like Rahul Dravid even went as far as stating these changes were untimely. Ravi Showed to one an all that if you believe in yourself & have the ability & discipline to be great, You WILL be Great. Raina, Dhawan, Rayudu, Shami & even jadeja did what they could not dream of doing it. Dhoni has neither the personality for One-to-One relationship with his squad nor he is capable of inspiring his players into a disciplined lot. Hats of to Magnificent Ravi! Make Shastri's job permanent to develop vastly better Team!

  • Divinetouch on September 3, 2014, 20:26 GMT

    A deserved rest for MS and Bhuvi for the final ODI against England, replaced by Samson and Umesh with Virat leading the team. Both will return for the T20 game.

  • on September 3, 2014, 20:06 GMT

    now for BCCI-11 concentration should be on loosing test series but not getting injured by mitch's short-pitches..as wc2015 would be following soon...

  • on September 3, 2014, 18:36 GMT

    I support dhoni in his recent victory and also the defeat in the recent test series.everyone should know that caption of the team is not a magician to bring victory always.he should lead the team in a good manner as inthis case dhoni done usually in the game.we can see that in most of the game he lead the team in a good manner.but unfortunately some players didn't play their role beautifully that's why india was in trouble in the test series.one thing that everyone should keep in mind that a caption has some limits to get the team in winning each and everymatch and also each players have to perform a minimum role to get the team in a winning mode.so anyway dhoni is a good captain to lead india in a winning mode.so I congratulate his leadership once more and also a small request that a defeat or more should never loss his attitude toward winning strategy.best of luck

  • on September 3, 2014, 18:16 GMT

    England has stopped playing good cricket. ..India is playing same cricket.

  • punzfun on September 3, 2014, 17:54 GMT

    India should simply stop playing test (reading boring, not classical) cricket. Test cricket had its day when people had lots of free time on their hand and nothing much to do. Now, it's time for quick entertainment and improvised skills. You can protest all you want, but that's the reality of modern life.

  • Rajesh.Kumar on September 3, 2014, 17:37 GMT

    @AltafPatel on (September 3, 2014, 16:49 GMT) Dhoni should not forget recent whitewash in NZ and later ousting from Asia cup.

    Why should Dhoni bother about India's ousting from Asia cup when he wasn't even in the team? India, very rightly so, decided to treat the Asia cup as a low-priority tournament and sent an experimental side with Kohli as the captain. No one in India really cared about the Asia cup, because at that time everyone was focused on the T20 WC which followed Asia cup. In that Dhoni joined the team as captain, and took the team all the way up to the final. Too bad that he was not smart with his team selection, and one Yuvraj Singh's slow batting cost India the final. Anyway, lessons were learnt from that debacle, and Yuvi has been shown the door by the selectors...

  • myStraightTalk on September 3, 2014, 17:04 GMT

    Any cricket playing nation is judged by the skills in Test Matches and not by the shorter version of the game (ODI and T20). India need a good captain for Test. Both Dhoni and Fletcher has to go or resign from Test cricket. Dhoni want to shine in IPL and he use this ODI as a testing ground.

  • AltafPatel on September 3, 2014, 16:49 GMT

    Dhoni should not forget recent whitewash in NZ and later ousting from Asia cup.

  • MiddleStump on September 3, 2014, 16:16 GMT

    We are all pleased with this ODI. Finally, Kohli managed to bat until the end of the innings before the end of this tour.

  • danby22 on September 3, 2014, 15:53 GMT

    @vikneshk - you can only beat what the opposition have fielded. India could have fared better with Zaheer, Sachin, Dravid, Ganguly and Laxman in the test team. And maybe even Raina for that matter with the form he's been in (see the last innings he played in the IPL and the impact he had on the current series). England have been poor and that's the end of story.. Credit to India for putting up a very good show. No if's & but's!!

  • on September 3, 2014, 15:46 GMT

    In my previous post I mentioned about Dhoni is the best ODI captain by far. ..too much work load on him to captaincy in all format.??? so far good job by the whole team credit goes to Ravi shastri... mentoring the team when they needed someone like him. ..coach needs to go. .. good luck India! !!

  • Suicide-Note on September 3, 2014, 15:34 GMT

    ROhit Sharma's injury is a blessing an disguise. Rohit averages 45 in no 5, so it will be far better if he resumes at no 4. He is a genuine middle order batman who is very good in rotating strike. India should resume experiment with Raina at no 4.True he failed against MJ last year at no 4 but every team does not have a MJ.

  • on September 3, 2014, 15:32 GMT

    Dhoni is the modest and Team Man. How many times before Dhoni India was number one either in test or ODI? How many teams were number one despite not many players not in the top 10 list. Dhoni's success as a captain is a herculean task considering his team composition and the time he inherited the team. No body expected him to reach this level. Congratulations to Dhoni and team India.

  • on September 3, 2014, 14:35 GMT

    Dhoni my dear friend best of luck for the coming world cup

  • vikneshk on September 3, 2014, 14:30 GMT

    England is missing Bopara and Jonathan Trott who were at-least good against India. If Broad was there it could have been a different contest. England is still one of the tough side in world cricket.

  • on September 3, 2014, 14:25 GMT

    @cricketsub- we are really surprised dude. By losing test series,we couldn't think indian side will win odi series. India had a fantastic energy thorughout the odi series. Beating england is not that much easy in Thier homw ground. Keep going india

  • MrSri on September 3, 2014, 14:22 GMT

    Rest rahane try Vijay , Rest Bhuvi try Umesh , Rest Jad and try Sanju sam

    Give a chance to Kolhi to play , don't send Rahane and make him play all 40 overs :) . We need Kolhi confidence back for winning WC.

    I wish Aaron and Umaesh are in the WC squad - we need to rotate them based on form in WC. Please don't go without them

  • IndianCoolGuy on September 3, 2014, 13:48 GMT

    My suggestion is to BCCI is to prepare two different pool of players for Test and ODI. We do not have players like Dravid, Sachin, Sehwag, Ganguly, who can adopt to Test and ODI quickly. The present ODI team is easily switching from T20 to ODI, but not to Test match.

  • cricketsubh on September 3, 2014, 13:38 GMT

    why people suprise with this win by india when ind tour of eng started every one knows india will lose the test series eng will lose odi series their is no suprise in it ind is a avgrage test side eng is a avgrage odi side.plz publish cricinfo

  • ramli on September 3, 2014, 13:27 GMT

    Just play short test series ... that will be the only remedy immediately available to India ... by this way every victory will be hailed while defeats will be tolerated ... Just do it

  • on September 3, 2014, 13:18 GMT

    winning a 5-match ODI series 4-0 (if that happens) is less than winning a 5day Test match. So, overall, this series is still a huge loss for India.

  • on September 3, 2014, 13:14 GMT

    I still have a few concerns especially keeping the World cup in perspective.. First and foremost is regarding the pacers. In Australia, Ashwin-Jadeja combination is going to be far less effective. So pacers have to peg batting sides back with early wickets. Can't understand why an attacking option like Umesh Yadav has not yet figured in Dhoni 's scheme of things.

  • Realistic_cri_fan on September 3, 2014, 13:03 GMT

    People are saying that this win has to be taken lightly because England is a weak team.My opinion is a big NO.This indeed a great series win for India and we should be proud about it.We won't win every time we tour England that too convincingly.I think the last time we won an ODI series in England was way back in 1999.

    I think test and ODI are very different and we should not compare our performance in test and ODI.Yes, we did poorly in tests but that doesn't mean that we should not enjoy the success in ODI.If we compare our ODI performance in the last two overseas series we improved a lot.So this is a great win and we should rejoice it.

  • Rajnish_aggarwal on September 3, 2014, 12:56 GMT

    The Architects of ODI series victory are Raina and Rahane. Raina exploded on the field in the first ODI itself and Rahane improved upon his little success in the test series. People still dont realize that Rahane has got the glimpses of Sachin. He is batting like Sachin used to bat when he was in full form in younger days. He has the potential to become No. 1 batsman in the world. Shikhar Dhawan has come back to form with white balls at least. Rohit Sharma can be more useful at 2 down or 3 down. Ashwin and Jadeja are bowling well and can bat too if required. Some fast bowlers like Ishant , Aaron and Umesh Yadav shall be required in Australia. India cannot afford to play 3 medium pacers with 130 km speed in Australia. Atleast one pacer with 145 Km plus and another of 140 km plus speed shall be required in Australia.

  • RB007 on September 3, 2014, 12:39 GMT

    Seriously can we now expect the BCCI to suggest that henceforth India will play all away Test Matches in Blues instead of Whites. As a compensation, the Red ball maybe replaced by White.

  • on September 3, 2014, 12:32 GMT

    a great achievement for dhoni the captain cool.in his cap he can add another feather by tryin to keep the world cup-odis whichwas gained in2011.he will be captain unbieatable if he retains the odi icc cup in 2015.best wishes nd good luck to dhoni and team india for the same.After loosng test series 3-1 in England winning odi series wth big margn will be a geatachievement for honi and team india..

  • cad76 on September 3, 2014, 11:51 GMT

    In NZ, almost in all ODIs, Williamson+RossTaylor combination took the game away. In SA, deCock/deVilliers/Amla. Similar pitches are waiting for India in WC next year. Ashwin-Jadeja combination is not going to work .... same is the case with Bhuvi. He wasn't successful in NZ and SA, because of lack of swing.

  • Winchu on September 3, 2014, 11:51 GMT

    Indian 'A' team may be okey for England ODI team, similarly England 'A' team may be okey for Indian Test team for 'testing'

  • smilesankar on September 3, 2014, 11:38 GMT

    Despite his failure in SA & NZ ODI series, A Rahane solid perfomance in current Eng ODI series, a debut hundred as an opener in Eng, & more importantly the ability to bat both as an opener & middle order - has secured a spot for the World Cup. He is probably the best bat after MSD & Kohl in the current batting line-up.

  • on September 3, 2014, 9:19 GMT

    India has at last found their form in the ODIs which is our strength. They should consolidate their position to remain on top against all teams. England was really never a match for India in this format - need serious adminstrative shake up. Well played India !!

  • on September 3, 2014, 9:01 GMT

    this combination of shami mohit & bhuvi looks gud, the best thing is that they know how to bowl within their limits. I believe if Bhuvi can just increase his pace fractionally more, we can be one of the best odi bowling unit along with ashwin & jadeja. things will be different in Aus, we need little more pace there. May be aaron can be a reserve option for India

  • ramli on September 3, 2014, 8:15 GMT

    "How do you want us to be tested?" an unimpressed Dhoni shot back ... this shows the bias everyone has against India ... just belittling any achievement ... just for testing sake, we can't organize ODIs only with Aus or SA ... any win is a win and the manner in which that is achieved explains the domination ... Well done India

  • cricketclassics1 on September 3, 2014, 8:02 GMT

    the biggest challenge now will be the fitness for India.....they should have rotational policy to keep themselves fit till world cup

  • cricketclassics1 on September 3, 2014, 7:48 GMT

    Congrats Dhoni for being the most successful skipper of India in ODI

  • Chris_P on September 3, 2014, 7:24 GMT

    @ Aavishkar Katti I did say rarely, not never. Kumar does swing it although having seen both Tests & ODI's. the swing was far more pronounced in tests. There are exceptions, but they are very rare, most swing bowlers do not get the same pronounced movements with white balls, something we witness all the time. One day pitches are flattened everywhere, not just England, that was a general viewpoint. sorry for the misunderstanding, not pertaining to England only, it is why why batsmen bat without too many issues on most ODI pitches. @Cpt.Meanster. Ah assuming you mare referring to why white balls don't swing as much as red ones as someone asked the question? All I said was that no scientific evidence has been uncovered with cricketers only offering up theories. I am in the dark on this as much as anyone.

  • iamgroot on September 3, 2014, 6:35 GMT

    Lot of comments trying to belittle Indian team performance. IT is understandable. No one wants Indian team to do well. When Indian team wins convincingly like they did in last 3 ODI then people come up with all kinds of excuses. excuse no.1 Pitch is flat/docile/batting paradise. excuse no.2 Eng are low on confidence etc excuse no.3 White ball doesn't swing , Red ball swings more. All this is rubbish. Look at the swing Bhuvi got and how shami bowled with fire. He was fast enough to beat the batsmen. He bowled good line and length. Pitch "LOOKED" docile bcoz Indian team batted well. Indian team scored 5 runs in first 3 overs. Later Rahane thrashed Anderson for 19 runs in one over and they got the momentum. England on the other hand were bowled out for 206 to some good bowling. Moen ali showed how to bat for other Eng batsmen. Don't give excuses. England were no match for the Indian team. They were totally decimated. Only ODIs have World cups. And WC in Australia is for ODIs not TESTS

  • on September 3, 2014, 6:08 GMT

    Oh no..!! I see someone compared this victory as Bangladesh winning against Zimbabwe and I see ppl asking for sehwag's comeback. India currently possess the strongest batting line up, there is no place of sehwag or any other player. Rahane was awesome today. I particularly don't like Dhawan's technique or attitude towards the game, but there is no other choice. And Kholi will be the Man for India in ODI's. Raina fielding is just awesome and he is the go to player for dhoni under any circumstances. Jadega and Aswhin partnership clicks in most of the ODI pitches. Bhuvi is just awesome and Shami and Co.. will learn gradually. Don't think that I missed Dhoni, he doesn't require applause or criticism after all what he had done to Indian team particularly in ODI's.

  • Kruns on September 3, 2014, 5:44 GMT

    Best part now will be Rohit can bat at no 4 .... I feel thats the best position for him to bat and India can get a solid middle order in form of VK Rohit Raina and Dhoni

  • JustIPL on September 3, 2014, 5:08 GMT

    Rahane is player to watch for me from now on provided he does not go kohli way and get lost into the showbiz. Rahane has risen above both kohli and rohit in fact.

  • JustIPL on September 3, 2014, 5:05 GMT

    @sams235: India were defensive during tests and wanted to leave everything out side off to stay not out which many times resulted in their downfall.

  • cric_surgeon on September 3, 2014, 5:02 GMT

    still find it amusing people talk about Sehwag. He was a greatest player, not an iota of doubt, but he is history now, nothing new he can do now. Let him fade out honorably better that way than disgrace. For people who are still pitching for Irfan, Aaron, and Umesh, what I can say? Bowling fast and taking wickets at random would be a great thing only when they are not bleeding runs. Do they not?

  • JustIPL on September 3, 2014, 4:56 GMT

    The fact that england won against struggling india test team also applies to india who have won against struggling england odi team. In fact, india have only four bowlers, shami, bhuvi, aswin while jadeja/raina make one. They have no backup as Yadav whom everyone wants in the team has an economy rate of 6 in 31 from games. I am sure india will like to make 4-0 after 3-1 in tests and not play any of the bench warmers. On the other hand england have done some risky experimentation which might pay off during the worldcup.

  • Rock_cricket on September 3, 2014, 4:25 GMT

    I think many people are looking worried about whether India will reach second round or third or they will not reach qtr finals etc etc .. Dear friends enjoy cricket and leave it to players.

  • Maliktabrez on September 3, 2014, 4:22 GMT

    india should look for sehwag /samson with rehane in opening. rohit can play in at 4. and easily rotate strike.. other wise team looks good 4 ODI.. one more thing is that ind should look for irfan at 7 for WC. where conditions suit him more than jadeja..

  • Fast_Track_Bully on September 3, 2014, 4:18 GMT

    @Sexysteven. I cannot stop laughing! Indian medium pacers got bagful wickets and still you think it is turning tracks...lol. It was just like 'mark my words' comments before each game - 0-4, 1-3, 2-2 and now ?

  • ObliKrish on September 3, 2014, 3:31 GMT

    Dhoni : We want Clean Sweep !!!

  • on September 3, 2014, 3:26 GMT

    I see this Indian victory against England as Bangladesh winning against Zimbabwe. Both India and England will not make it to the second round. I can also see the Indian fans jumping too early without a bowl being bowled in the Australian tour. lets see how team India fares when the odi tri series will happen in Australia. Rahane is a find at the top, dhawan is a gamble. we need an aggressor with a no fear attitude like sehwag partnering rahane not a sleeping looking rohit or a doubtful dhawan.

  • on September 3, 2014, 2:53 GMT

    In tests I believe fielding is not a big factor. Saving a single or a boundary is not the same in ODI and test. This Indian team is a terrific fielding side especially after the injection of Raina into the team who has taken two blinders and a run out. But in tests the drop catch allowed Cook to play in and take his time and come back. So time is a big factor between the two formats. Swing, spin and new ball all fit into this factor.

  • on September 3, 2014, 2:47 GMT

    @Chris_P:Agreed that the white ball does not swing as much as the red ball but to say "the white ball rarely swings,even in the hands of notable swing bowlers",is completely wrong. Take Bhuvaneshwar Kumar, in this ODI, his swing was prodigious,and thanks to the new devices,the swing was mesured to the tune of 25-30 cm on average.Some balls swung 40-41 cm too. If one day pitches are flattened in England,what would you say about pitches in India?Definitely,England pitches have more in them as that's why Indian bowlers too find more wickets,be it ODI or tests or T20.

  • on September 3, 2014, 1:53 GMT

    Seems Rahane could prosper as an opener in this format. He scores quickly unlike Rohit who gets bogged down in the initial overs and this puts added pressure on Dhawan. Rahane eased the pressure on the other side and Dhawan was relaxed and calm and that paid off. Rohit could be used lower down the order which suits him well.

  • Sexysteven on September 3, 2014, 1:41 GMT

    Yea the test for India will be on better faster n bouncier wickets in oz n nz the wickets in India were pretty much similiar to Indian wickets slow n low turning wickets so it might be a false impression for India we will know more about them on there tour to oz to see if they can handle the better bouncier n faster pitches

  • Cpt.Meanster on September 3, 2014, 0:34 GMT

    @Chris_P: What's your point exactly ?

  • huffpost on September 3, 2014, 0:23 GMT

    @ramesh.nallapati..I dont think it is a ball issue but I think the problem is more of adapting..Other wise how can one explain England's poor run in ODIs. All england batsmen struggled against the white ball while scoring with the redball.. As dravid mentioned at the start of the tour, one needs atmost patience and self control not to play shots in England in the beginning..But virat and others were too aggressive for their own good and played one shot too many..probably a consequence of too much limited overs cricket.. Another point worth mentioning is all Indian cricketers are brought up playing with redball in ranjis. though it doesnt swing as much as in england, they hone their skills with the red ball...

  • sams235 on September 2, 2014, 22:28 GMT

    @Ramesh Nallapati and others who are comparing test and ODIs: you basically cannot compare them. Being a runner I can relate tests & ODIs to running Marathons vs Sprinting. They basically are very different. Yes, ball plays some part. But, its all down to how you pace your innings in each of these formats. India arent good at tests anymore because of the mindset they have. They want to go after every ball in test. Whereas England are playing ODIs like tests -- at their own pace. Stop taking away credit from players and team and appreciate each game separately.

  • parvinder7 on September 2, 2014, 20:46 GMT

    it is not about swing, tests or the red ball. The main reason is india put up a good score in the 2nd odi and defended it. New players, raina playing a good innings is the reason. It shows dhoni that when you choose players to play for india that deserve it, you win. Earn it and you win. In south africa you did not bat first and show S.A that you can defend a total. NZ Your bowlers could not do anything. Well done raina and the bowlers of india. You deserve this sucess. Three years of humialition has come to an end.

  • Chris_P on September 2, 2014, 19:40 GMT

    @Ramesh Nallapati . That question can only be answered by scientists after testing theories. Not only in Internationals, & FC, but in grade cricket, the white ball rarely swings, even in the hands of notable swing bowlers. As an opening batsman I always found it intriguing that the swing was not so pronounced & when asked why, I always got answers after a series of swearing! It could be the lacquer, it may have a different base to the red dye, who knows? One day pitches are nearly always flattened out, but would only affect the ball after a few overs. Cricketers could only put up theories, as yet I have not read a comprehensive report of a research on why that is so. Good question though.

  • Chris_P on September 2, 2014, 19:33 GMT

    @Big_Poppa_94. Wise words usually spoken by people who have no idea about the game. Good to see that tradition continuing. I would suggest the biggest upset in ODI WC was Australia winning in 1987, in India, when ranked about 7th. At no point were India ranked as low as that in any of their triumphs.

  • KnowItAllGuy on September 2, 2014, 19:31 GMT

    The difference between red and white balls is like comparing apples and oranges. Losing test series is very bad. But what I like (hate) about this Indian team, they don't want to prolong the agony of losing and don't care about losing. They like to lose in 3 days so that they get 2 days off !!!! And these guys are all millionaires... Cricket (at least in India) is becoming exactly like professional soccer where players play for the clubs to earn big money instead of playing for their country in world cup.

  • iamgroot on September 2, 2014, 18:51 GMT

    First 2 tests were closely fought and when India won the Lords test, it was a very good chance to win the series. But after that James anderson was let off easily. Jadeja was fined and then BCCI fought back. This incident had serious impact in next 3 tests. Dhoni made a blunder by selecting Rohit sharma who threw his wicket away in that test. After that it was downhill. Eng won 3 tests. Loads of pressure on Indian team. Then Ravi shastri taking the responsibility. He is aggressive and authoritative at best. Really Wow! what a sea change in ODIs !!!! Raina blasted 100 in 74 then it was team effort in 2nd ODI..Kohli coming back to form. 3rd ODI Rahane and Dhawan crushed Eng deep by winning the match with 20 overs to spare. That is ruthless performance. I won't agree with red ball, white ball stuff. In SA and NZ we lost ODIs too is it not? We as Indians should be happy India won the series in ODIs and Dhoni Most Successful ODI captain. Well deserved. Best Man and Leader in ODIs and T20s.

  • on September 2, 2014, 18:15 GMT

    It's unbelievable that a team that has lost miserably in the tests has come back to dominate the ODI series with hardly any time to reflect or adjust. Despite Dhoni's assertions that it is a result of the improvement of the players' performance, I suspect the real reason is the change from the red ball to the white ball. From what I can tell based on the footage, the white ball doesn't seem to swing as much as the red cherry. Now suddenly, the Dhawans and Rahanes who were limping in the tests have started dominating the bowling again! I would like to hear from the Cricinfo experts about the differences between the two balls and the comparative statistics of the Indian batsmen against these two colors.

  • on September 2, 2014, 18:09 GMT

    Yes definitely a moment of happiness and many many congratulations to ODI team. We have every right to enjoy the moment.

    Also, after going back, its our duty to retrospect what happened in the tests and take steps accordingly.

  • Big_Poppa_94 on September 2, 2014, 17:58 GMT

    ODIs and T20 are the only relevant form of cricket. Test Cricket is mind numbingly boring and for old farty traditionalists.

    Even though India are a pretty strong ODI team, they will as usual be taunted and their chances of winning the 2015 WC will be ridiculed. Well no one gave India a chance in 1983. No one thought they'd reach the final in 2003. No one gave India any hope of winning the 2007 T20 World Cup. No one thought India would win it in 2011.

    Beware, India are better when labelled as the underdogs.

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  • Big_Poppa_94 on September 2, 2014, 17:58 GMT

    ODIs and T20 are the only relevant form of cricket. Test Cricket is mind numbingly boring and for old farty traditionalists.

    Even though India are a pretty strong ODI team, they will as usual be taunted and their chances of winning the 2015 WC will be ridiculed. Well no one gave India a chance in 1983. No one thought they'd reach the final in 2003. No one gave India any hope of winning the 2007 T20 World Cup. No one thought India would win it in 2011.

    Beware, India are better when labelled as the underdogs.

  • on September 2, 2014, 18:09 GMT

    Yes definitely a moment of happiness and many many congratulations to ODI team. We have every right to enjoy the moment.

    Also, after going back, its our duty to retrospect what happened in the tests and take steps accordingly.

  • on September 2, 2014, 18:15 GMT

    It's unbelievable that a team that has lost miserably in the tests has come back to dominate the ODI series with hardly any time to reflect or adjust. Despite Dhoni's assertions that it is a result of the improvement of the players' performance, I suspect the real reason is the change from the red ball to the white ball. From what I can tell based on the footage, the white ball doesn't seem to swing as much as the red cherry. Now suddenly, the Dhawans and Rahanes who were limping in the tests have started dominating the bowling again! I would like to hear from the Cricinfo experts about the differences between the two balls and the comparative statistics of the Indian batsmen against these two colors.

  • iamgroot on September 2, 2014, 18:51 GMT

    First 2 tests were closely fought and when India won the Lords test, it was a very good chance to win the series. But after that James anderson was let off easily. Jadeja was fined and then BCCI fought back. This incident had serious impact in next 3 tests. Dhoni made a blunder by selecting Rohit sharma who threw his wicket away in that test. After that it was downhill. Eng won 3 tests. Loads of pressure on Indian team. Then Ravi shastri taking the responsibility. He is aggressive and authoritative at best. Really Wow! what a sea change in ODIs !!!! Raina blasted 100 in 74 then it was team effort in 2nd ODI..Kohli coming back to form. 3rd ODI Rahane and Dhawan crushed Eng deep by winning the match with 20 overs to spare. That is ruthless performance. I won't agree with red ball, white ball stuff. In SA and NZ we lost ODIs too is it not? We as Indians should be happy India won the series in ODIs and Dhoni Most Successful ODI captain. Well deserved. Best Man and Leader in ODIs and T20s.

  • KnowItAllGuy on September 2, 2014, 19:31 GMT

    The difference between red and white balls is like comparing apples and oranges. Losing test series is very bad. But what I like (hate) about this Indian team, they don't want to prolong the agony of losing and don't care about losing. They like to lose in 3 days so that they get 2 days off !!!! And these guys are all millionaires... Cricket (at least in India) is becoming exactly like professional soccer where players play for the clubs to earn big money instead of playing for their country in world cup.

  • Chris_P on September 2, 2014, 19:33 GMT

    @Big_Poppa_94. Wise words usually spoken by people who have no idea about the game. Good to see that tradition continuing. I would suggest the biggest upset in ODI WC was Australia winning in 1987, in India, when ranked about 7th. At no point were India ranked as low as that in any of their triumphs.

  • Chris_P on September 2, 2014, 19:40 GMT

    @Ramesh Nallapati . That question can only be answered by scientists after testing theories. Not only in Internationals, & FC, but in grade cricket, the white ball rarely swings, even in the hands of notable swing bowlers. As an opening batsman I always found it intriguing that the swing was not so pronounced & when asked why, I always got answers after a series of swearing! It could be the lacquer, it may have a different base to the red dye, who knows? One day pitches are nearly always flattened out, but would only affect the ball after a few overs. Cricketers could only put up theories, as yet I have not read a comprehensive report of a research on why that is so. Good question though.

  • parvinder7 on September 2, 2014, 20:46 GMT

    it is not about swing, tests or the red ball. The main reason is india put up a good score in the 2nd odi and defended it. New players, raina playing a good innings is the reason. It shows dhoni that when you choose players to play for india that deserve it, you win. Earn it and you win. In south africa you did not bat first and show S.A that you can defend a total. NZ Your bowlers could not do anything. Well done raina and the bowlers of india. You deserve this sucess. Three years of humialition has come to an end.

  • sams235 on September 2, 2014, 22:28 GMT

    @Ramesh Nallapati and others who are comparing test and ODIs: you basically cannot compare them. Being a runner I can relate tests & ODIs to running Marathons vs Sprinting. They basically are very different. Yes, ball plays some part. But, its all down to how you pace your innings in each of these formats. India arent good at tests anymore because of the mindset they have. They want to go after every ball in test. Whereas England are playing ODIs like tests -- at their own pace. Stop taking away credit from players and team and appreciate each game separately.

  • huffpost on September 3, 2014, 0:23 GMT

    @ramesh.nallapati..I dont think it is a ball issue but I think the problem is more of adapting..Other wise how can one explain England's poor run in ODIs. All england batsmen struggled against the white ball while scoring with the redball.. As dravid mentioned at the start of the tour, one needs atmost patience and self control not to play shots in England in the beginning..But virat and others were too aggressive for their own good and played one shot too many..probably a consequence of too much limited overs cricket.. Another point worth mentioning is all Indian cricketers are brought up playing with redball in ranjis. though it doesnt swing as much as in england, they hone their skills with the red ball...