England v West Indies, 1st Test, Lord's May 15, 2012

Gibson ponders all-pace attack

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Ottis Gibson, the West Indies coach, has hinted at fielding a four-pronged fast bowling attack for the first Test against England at Lord's, which starts on Thursday. The seamer-friendly conditions and the fast recovery of his premier fast bowler Kemar Roach from a "twisted ankle" have given West Indies that option, Gibson revealed, saying he was confident the plan would work.

With the forecast predicted to be overcast on the match days, Gibson agreed the team management would think hard before playing offspinner Shane Shillingford. "Based on conditions, early season in England it is possible," Gibson said about there being enough temptation to play a four-man pace attack.

Roach, who became only the sixth West Indies bowler to bag a ten-wicket match haul during during the home Test series against Australia last month, picked up a niggle during the second tour match against England Lions at Northampton. West Indies suffered a ten-wicket defeat as Roach finished with three first-innings wickets and was unable to bowl in the second due to the injury.

After the rain had disrupted most of the play in the first tour match at Hove against Sussex, the Lions game was the first proper test for the visitors. Roach, who was the highest wicket-taker in the Frank Worrell Trophy against Australia, was inconsistent during the first innings against the Lions, conceding more than four an over. Nick Compton was his only top-order wicket but he managed some hostile overs during various spells. Ravi Rampaul was the pick of the bowlers, with 3 for 79, while Fidel Edwards struggled with his run-up and bowled eight no-balls two of which cost him wickets.

Today Roach started with some leg stretches, having decided against participating in the warm-up football but later returned to bowl in the indoor school at Lord's, after bad weather ruled out any outdoor practice sessions. "Everybody pulled up okay today. Roach was treated twice a day over the last couple of days. He had a little bowl today, bowled six overs, pretty controlled. No complaints at this stage. He is doing okay," Gibson said.

Gibson also brushed aside any scare to Rampaul, who did not bowl much during training. "Ravi just had a stiff neck from sleeping badly; probably staying up too late or playing Playstation. He is fine. And Fidel is fine also. Everything looks all right. All set for Thursday."

Gibson said he was not worried about his captain Darren Sammy having not bowled at all yet in the two tour matches. Sammy did not bowl in the rain-curtailed warm-up match at Hove and then was rested in the second tour match at Northampton. "The captain bowled a lot of balls against Australia, as did Kemar. The decision was made to give him a break, so we wanted have a look at the three seamers bowling together in a game," Gibson said. But he was happy that Sammy was doing his work in the nets and he was not a concern at all.

The one concern that has remained and has kept re-appearing like the dark clouds overhead has been the form of the West Indies top order. In the first innings against the Lions, the top three comprising Adrian Barath, Kieran Powell and Kirk Edwards made an aggregate of 10 runs. In the second innings, Powell scored a resilient century but Barath and Edwards failed again.

But Gibson walked up to his players after the first-innings debacle and re-assured the batsmen that they should not brood too much over the failure. "They were a little bit disappointed and I had to step in and say 'look, you shouldn't be disappointed' because if we bowled first in those conditions on the first day, we would have bowled them out for a similar score. That is the reality in England in early May," Gibson pointed out. If West Indies had won the toss, Gibson was certain, things would have been more positive for West Indies.

"We batted in the second innings, and even if Adrian didn't get runs, Kirk didn't get any runs, but Kieran Powell played very well and got a hundred, so he is full of confidence now. He has got a smile on his face. Darren Bravo has been playing well for us for the last year-and-a-half; he played well, got two half-centuries. We know what Shiv is going to do in these conditions. Dinesh Ramdin got a good knock. Marlon Samuels got a good knock. So the second innings was more like what we know what we can do. We were 20-odd for 3 in that second innings but we ended scoring 400."

Gibson said that the team think tank had also thought about promoting Chanderpaul from his customary No. 5 to the top order but they wouldn't try and experiment at such an early stage in the series. But he felt Chanderpaul would support the team's decision, if the case was made for him to move up the order.

"That is something that we have thought about," Gibson said. "Our batting revolves around Shiv. He is very comfortable at the position that he is at the moment. And he is doing a good job for us. So without trying to upset the batting line-up too much, we've decided to leave it as it is at the moment. But it is something that we haven't completely ruled out."

Nagraj Gollapudi is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • Shan156 on May 16, 2012, 16:21 GMT

    Good luck to the Windies. They are a decent bunch and they would surprise themselves if the final scoreline is anything other than a 3-0 for England. However, world cricket needs a strong Windies team and, hopefully, they will show a good account of themselves. They have the talent - Bravo, Roach, and Edwards all have immense potential. They need one or, perhaps, two more test class batsmen and they will have a decent side. Also, not selecting a spinner even in early season England is a bad idea. For England, hopefully, Bairstow will make the #6 position his own and, more importantly, Strauss scores a ton in what used to be his favorite ground. Good luck to both teams.

  • RohanMarkJay on May 16, 2012, 16:12 GMT

    I must admit it would be a lot of fun to watch this talented west indies outfit on the rebuild from decades of underachievement beat this slightly over rated England side.

  • on May 16, 2012, 14:38 GMT

    The management may have chosen the wrong people to give contracts because those to whom they were offered refused to accept them. Hasn't Chanders made it clear that he won't move from 5? Most teams have lost to England at this time in England, why are we(WI) so pathetic if we lose?

  • inot on May 16, 2012, 14:13 GMT

    Four Quicks? ...but they only took 3 to England. If Gibson thinks Sammy is quick then teams with people like Watson, Bopara, Trott, Collingwood, Kallis etc...are playing 5 and six "quicks".

  • YorkshirePudding on May 16, 2012, 13:26 GMT

    @Sinhaya, actually it was Riaz (5-63, Match : 6-103) that was instrumental in the win at the oval in 2010, as he destroyed the england top order with the new bal in the first innings. Then Amir (5-52, Match : 6-101) who bowled some lovely deliveries in the second innings, to get rid of most of the middle and lower order. Ajmals total return was 5-103 (4-71 in the second innings).

  • lyl67 on May 16, 2012, 12:59 GMT

    West Indies will struggle on their tour of England, basically the management chose the wrong people to give central contracts, because they wanted to make sweeping changes, out with the old and in with the new. The idea that we are looking for gradual change maybe true but how long will it take. Change your present policy and please get some experience in the team as soon as possible. In future we must not discard our best players unless we have some better players.

  • mrhamilton on May 16, 2012, 12:29 GMT

    @sinhaya you are misguiding jmcilhinney, how was it AJMAL who won the Oval test for pakistan it was moreso Asif and Amir and their lovely seam bowling.

  • kunderanengineer on May 16, 2012, 12:29 GMT

    Although the focus of the article is on the Windies bowling attack, their real problem as others have already pointed out lies in the lack of consistency of the top order batting. I'm afraid that under these cloudy and wet conditions England's bowlers are going to have their way with the Windies batsmen with the possible exception of Chanders. However if they can get Gayle and/or Narine ready for the ODIs and T20 matches or even the 3rd test atleast that could add a little intrigue and suspense to the proceedings.

  • on May 16, 2012, 12:07 GMT

    I do agree that to play the 4 quicks is to play to ENG strength. But what else do we have? Which bring me to my pt. We have been losing to other nations, but u never get the feeling that they have defeated WI. Why? We, as a cricketing nation have not been fielding our strongest teams. Could u imagine any other nation having a bowling of the calibre of Sunil Narine & not playing him or a Gayle. Yes I know all the reasons. But isn't WI cricket the priority. Sunil is our Ajmal. Well, not exactly, but u know what I mean. As it is, we r hoping for nothing less than a miracle against ENG. And it shouldn't have to be.We the WI fans will have to again endure the humiliation of another ENG series defeat. And why?

  • on May 16, 2012, 12:04 GMT

    I reckon the starting Windies XI should be Gayle, Jonson Charles or Kraigg Brathwaite, Sarwan, Nash, Pollard, Duwayne Bravo, Baugh, Russell, Taylor, Bishoo, Narine.

    Oh wait....

  • Shan156 on May 16, 2012, 16:21 GMT

    Good luck to the Windies. They are a decent bunch and they would surprise themselves if the final scoreline is anything other than a 3-0 for England. However, world cricket needs a strong Windies team and, hopefully, they will show a good account of themselves. They have the talent - Bravo, Roach, and Edwards all have immense potential. They need one or, perhaps, two more test class batsmen and they will have a decent side. Also, not selecting a spinner even in early season England is a bad idea. For England, hopefully, Bairstow will make the #6 position his own and, more importantly, Strauss scores a ton in what used to be his favorite ground. Good luck to both teams.

  • RohanMarkJay on May 16, 2012, 16:12 GMT

    I must admit it would be a lot of fun to watch this talented west indies outfit on the rebuild from decades of underachievement beat this slightly over rated England side.

  • on May 16, 2012, 14:38 GMT

    The management may have chosen the wrong people to give contracts because those to whom they were offered refused to accept them. Hasn't Chanders made it clear that he won't move from 5? Most teams have lost to England at this time in England, why are we(WI) so pathetic if we lose?

  • inot on May 16, 2012, 14:13 GMT

    Four Quicks? ...but they only took 3 to England. If Gibson thinks Sammy is quick then teams with people like Watson, Bopara, Trott, Collingwood, Kallis etc...are playing 5 and six "quicks".

  • YorkshirePudding on May 16, 2012, 13:26 GMT

    @Sinhaya, actually it was Riaz (5-63, Match : 6-103) that was instrumental in the win at the oval in 2010, as he destroyed the england top order with the new bal in the first innings. Then Amir (5-52, Match : 6-101) who bowled some lovely deliveries in the second innings, to get rid of most of the middle and lower order. Ajmals total return was 5-103 (4-71 in the second innings).

  • lyl67 on May 16, 2012, 12:59 GMT

    West Indies will struggle on their tour of England, basically the management chose the wrong people to give central contracts, because they wanted to make sweeping changes, out with the old and in with the new. The idea that we are looking for gradual change maybe true but how long will it take. Change your present policy and please get some experience in the team as soon as possible. In future we must not discard our best players unless we have some better players.

  • mrhamilton on May 16, 2012, 12:29 GMT

    @sinhaya you are misguiding jmcilhinney, how was it AJMAL who won the Oval test for pakistan it was moreso Asif and Amir and their lovely seam bowling.

  • kunderanengineer on May 16, 2012, 12:29 GMT

    Although the focus of the article is on the Windies bowling attack, their real problem as others have already pointed out lies in the lack of consistency of the top order batting. I'm afraid that under these cloudy and wet conditions England's bowlers are going to have their way with the Windies batsmen with the possible exception of Chanders. However if they can get Gayle and/or Narine ready for the ODIs and T20 matches or even the 3rd test atleast that could add a little intrigue and suspense to the proceedings.

  • on May 16, 2012, 12:07 GMT

    I do agree that to play the 4 quicks is to play to ENG strength. But what else do we have? Which bring me to my pt. We have been losing to other nations, but u never get the feeling that they have defeated WI. Why? We, as a cricketing nation have not been fielding our strongest teams. Could u imagine any other nation having a bowling of the calibre of Sunil Narine & not playing him or a Gayle. Yes I know all the reasons. But isn't WI cricket the priority. Sunil is our Ajmal. Well, not exactly, but u know what I mean. As it is, we r hoping for nothing less than a miracle against ENG. And it shouldn't have to be.We the WI fans will have to again endure the humiliation of another ENG series defeat. And why?

  • on May 16, 2012, 12:04 GMT

    I reckon the starting Windies XI should be Gayle, Jonson Charles or Kraigg Brathwaite, Sarwan, Nash, Pollard, Duwayne Bravo, Baugh, Russell, Taylor, Bishoo, Narine.

    Oh wait....

  • Dashgar on May 16, 2012, 11:26 GMT

    @Sinhaya, that's very kind of you for Warney, but I think a bit of credit should probably go to McGrath, Gillespie, Ponting, the Waughs, Gilchrist, Hayden, Flemming, Taylor, Slater, Boon, Healy, Langer and all the other champions in those Aus sides. The England team of today would have devastated the English team then and the Aus team of then would destroy any team in history apart from the 70s and 80s Windies. Comparisons to those days are good to be sentimental but they don't teach us much about this contest. Remember that the Pakistanis beat England mainly thanks to pace bowling and Australia beat England in a test using a four pronged pace attack last time they were there.

  • Exfactor44 on May 16, 2012, 9:46 GMT

    Four quicks might not be a bad idea - playing to their strengths. However the one risk I see is that England should be accustomed to quick bowling and it might not be as penetrating in the longer run.

    As for batting - the key is always runs on the board. Players who are out of form need time at the middle but when the pressure is on it is difficult to get into a groove. I would put in Darren Bravo at no.1 and Shiv no.2 - purely and simply because the quality of their technique and all round batting ability exceeds that of the current team. They may not be natural openers but they could manage it, hopefully get a couple of 50/100 partnerships on the board and allow people like Edwards and Powell to come in and express themselves at 3/4/5

  • on May 16, 2012, 9:34 GMT

    Articles on here have called it a 'all pace attack', but it's not really. Roach and Fidel can generate pace, RaviRamps is a line and length seamer and Sammy is a nagging medium-pacer. That combination might be better suited for this particular test match, due to the inclement weather. If they do decide to go with that combo, then Samuels and Deo will have to play as the part-time spinning options, with either the out-of-form Barath or Kirk making way. My eleven for Lords would be: Powell, K.Edwards, Darren Bravo, Samuels, Chanderpaul, Deonarine, Ramdin, Sammy, Rampaul, Roach, F.Edwards. We know what to expect from England, they're virtually unbeatable, on their home turf in May and i believe that whoever West Indies decide to pick for their bowling attack will be competitve, but it's the fragile batting that remains a worry. Chanderpaul is the key wicket and if he can bat the innings, with support from the others, there could be some resistance. Otherwise it will be over early.

  • delboy on May 16, 2012, 8:44 GMT

    Coach, its best for Chanderpaul to come in at 5 if the WI are 0-3 rather than have the current string ahead of him following him if he goes for 25 and the WI are 30-1. The YOUNG top order must begin to do their job. In times gone by WI would look to promote a bowler ahead of their regular top 3 just so that he gets the experience of walking out to the middle with a bat, rather than move anyone in the top 5. Gordon and Haynes had Viv sweating at times because he though he might not get a look in. If the batting continues to revolve around Shiv this is proof how brittle the WI team is.

  • Sinhaya on May 16, 2012, 8:07 GMT

    @jmcilhinney, Ajmal was the key behind Pakistan's win at the Oval in 2010. Narine is only 24 and already having the doosra. Murali took nearly 6 years to start the doosra. Luckily for England Narine wont play the tests. England lost the Ashes in the 90s and even 2003 and 2007 all due to Warne's spin. Sri Lanka made a big blunder in the 2nd test in Colombo this year by playing useless Suraj Randiv. Had SL chosen Sachithra Senanayake, England would have found it hard. England has to improve against spin bowling. They lost to SL in the past decade in test matches all due to Murali's spin.

  • Dav1daKing on May 16, 2012, 6:58 GMT

    The XI for the first test should be: 1. Powell, 2. K. Edwards, 3. Bravo, 4. Chanderpaul, 5. Samuels, 6. Deonarine, 7. Ramdin, 8. Sammy, 9. Rampaul, 10, Roach, F. Edwards.

  • satish619chandar on May 16, 2012, 6:54 GMT

    Given the rain and damp conditions in England, all pace attack won't be bad thing to try.. With better spinning bat like Deo in the batting order, you can afford to take the risk.. When India played England almost similar time last year, we never saw any assistance to spinners there.. I don't expect England to turn much and produce sporting wicket now.. Green pitches against WI might backfire too.. They have some good pace bowlers who can be very threatening when consistent..

  • FatBoysCanBat on May 16, 2012, 4:44 GMT

    They might as well play an all pace attack because aside from Sunil Narine [who is not in the squad] Narsingh Deonarine is the best spinner in the West Indies - as he showed against the Aussies - I don't think many people who are against the idea know this. @Rally_Windies: To quote you..."England have left Swann out on many occasions when pacer was the better option..." England have never left Swann out of their team. The only time Swann did not play every match in a test series for England was in his second ever Test series against West Indies in 2008-09 where he missed the first 2 tests as Panesar was preferred - note that this was before Swann was established in the England side which happened following his first match of the series]. Perhaps you could do a bit of research before making outlandish statements.

  • citizenkc on May 16, 2012, 4:08 GMT

    It may not be a bad idea to promote Chanders to no. 3 and and drop down Edwards to 5. Chanders is the Dravid of WI and they desperately need not to be 25/3 in the first hour. That would mean Chanders would end up coming in early in any case and there would be enormous pressure on him. Instead, he can come in after the loss of the first wicket and hopefully steady the boat. As for bowlers, definitely play all four and have Deonarine or Samuels as the spinner. Good luck WI. Remember your proud history and hold your head high. It is not necessary to win, but play as if Headley, Worrell, Sobers, Richards, and Marshall were watching.

  • landl47 on May 16, 2012, 3:57 GMT

    Given the likely conditions, there's no reason to think Shillingford would be a matchwinner. His job would be containment and Deonarine or Samuels could do that. Deonarine had a pretty useful series against Australia with the ball and that should give him the edge, though it's a pity Narine isn't in the squad- too busy learning nothing about test match bowling in the IPL, I guess. I think the WI bowlers will do an OK job; whether their batsmen will be able to keep Anderson & co out is another matter.

  • jmcilhinney on May 16, 2012, 3:48 GMT

    @Sinhaya on (May 15 2012, 17:13 PM GMT), it's not really correct to say that England are weak against spin. England have problems, may even be weak, against genuinely good spin on spinning tracks. Even if Shillingford is as good as Hafeez and Herath though, this is not UAE or SL. Even Ajmal didn't pose any great problems for England last time he was in England and he made mincemeat of them in UAE. Also, while some may disagree, I think that it was as much or more that England took the wrong approach rather than that they just couldn't play spin. They decided to play spin a particular way and that way just didn't work, but they were able to score runs when they played it differently. Ajmal's doosra was also a big factor and, while maybe Narine could create some similar problems, Shillingford will not. Even then I think that Narine's variations may be easier to pick than Ajmal's, although I haven't seem enough of him to know for sure.

  • Rally_Windies on May 16, 2012, 3:15 GMT

    I am Trinidadian, and nepotism would say that I supports Shannon Gabriel to get selected...

    but I don't, he is young and has potential, but IS NOT READY .... NOR IS POWELL ....

    Gabriel is not even the best pacer in Trinidad, Atiba Alert is T&T's best pacer, he is better than Rampaul, Gabriel and Emrit ....

    However, because Alert is short and cannot get up to 150 ... nor is he a good batsman as Rampaul and Emrit .... he keeps getting left out .....

    T&T selection is just as bad as WI selection ....

    everyone wants to pick "promise" and "potential" no one wants to pick "performers" ......

    this team yet again does not represent the best and strongest WI team....

    the WICB has not played the strongest side available to them in over 15 years.... but blame the players (who are performing) for losses ...

    They never blame the failure of their "developmental" picks for losses .....

  • Dashgar on May 16, 2012, 3:01 GMT

    If they leave a quick out it should be Edwards, he has been poor recently, but if the pitch is a raging greentop then by all means go with 4 quicks (3 + Sammy? Give me a break guys, he's as quick as anyone in the subcontinent or NZ). Top 7 I'd keep the same as the Lions game. Barath and Kirk were the only failures in that game and I think they'll be better for the exposure and also I can't see Fudadin or Deonerine filling the opener or number 3 spot they'd vacate.

  • kunderanengineer on May 16, 2012, 1:53 GMT

    Judging from the statistics of the first 3 tests of India's tour of England last summer, which coincidentally were played at the same venues where the Windies will be playing (i.e. Lords, Nottingham and Birmingham) a strong case can be made to focus more on pace and swing bowling and de-emphasize spin. Of the 59 wickets taken by England's bowlers in the 3 tests against India in the above venues, even the world class and sole English spinner Swann was responsible for only 4 of them, the vast majority of them taken by Anderson Broad and Bresnan.The same goes for India's spinners who accounted for only about 20% of the English wickets. Although Swann did take 9 wickets in the 4th and final test at the Oval, the other 3 venues definitely did not favour spin.These should be more to the liking of Sammy, Rampaul and Roach.

  • on May 16, 2012, 1:51 GMT

    good thoughts by the coach.. but i think Fuddadin or Deonarine should play in front of edwards. becouse Edwards technique doesn't suit the swinging ball so much.. all prong pace attack is the way to go. could get some spin from some batsmen

  • bobagorof on May 16, 2012, 0:52 GMT

    @Nigel Hamilton : You're kidding, right? You do realise that only 11 players can play in each match, right? Clearly Gabriel is a fringe player and only likely to play if one of the incumbent bowlers falls injured or loses form, so the priority should be to get the players who will start the series into form and used to the conditions. The attack for the Lions game all played in WI's last Test match, with the exception of Edwards who was injured. Maybe Gabriel should have played instead of a batsman? In any case, he was in the side that played against Sussex but didn't get to bowl or bat due to rain.

  • jmcilhinney on May 16, 2012, 0:38 GMT

    I guess pitch conditions on the day will play a role but spinners didn't look especially threatening in the Lions game. If the have Deonarine to bowl a few overs to give the pacers a breather then that might be enough. I reckon the possibility of an all-pace attack occurred to England as well but they are less likely to go that way I think.

  • jahbert58 on May 15, 2012, 23:51 GMT

    I think if WI have a ruff start in this series with their openers! then they should let chanderpaul open. batting at #5 on this team with his strike rate is a detriment to the team. lets hope the other guys come of age.

  • on May 15, 2012, 23:36 GMT

    Ottis Gibson is not and never be a coach. how can he talk about giving the fast bowlers a chance to work together and he left out a quick bowler. Shannon Terry Gabriel is a young, 1st time to England, clocks in the 150kmh and has not played a warmup game as yet. now what is the reason for carrying him. to play him in the last game and when he does badly dispose of him? that the only reason i can see.

  • on May 15, 2012, 22:15 GMT

    I don't think they will try all those variations. They will probably select the team that played the warm up match with sammy replacing a pacer for the first test. After that they'll see how everyone performs and then make changes. So wait till the second test for any changes.

  • Zahidsaltin on May 15, 2012, 22:15 GMT

    Sammy and Rampaul are the men who can exploit these conditions. Fidel and Roach have pace but not enough movement.

  • Zahidsaltin on May 15, 2012, 22:13 GMT

    3 fast bowler + Sammy should be enough to exploit the playing conditions. A spinner is must. I would have prefered to have Narine in the playing eleven. I am afraid, England bowlers will run through the west indian batting line. They should at least avoid playing left handers in middle order otherwise Swann will just eat them alive.

  • on May 15, 2012, 21:58 GMT

    An all-pace attack will have to be the way to go. Yes, Shane is a good bowler, but there is nothing special about him. He is not in the class of Swann. There was no indication in the match agst the Lions to suggest that Shane will be a threat to ENG. Our seamers will provide early chances,our fielders will have to hold on to the catches. Like most folks, my concern is our top 3 batters. They will have to perform. My surprise package for this series is Sammy, yes Sammy, these conditions suit his type of bowling, he is familiar with the conditions & as a batter he is comfortable agst pace. Just keep him out of the slips.

  • VivGilchrist on May 15, 2012, 21:57 GMT

    Why does Samuels automatically come back in? Even though Deonarine hasn't played yet surely he keeps his no6 position, especially if no frontline spinner is selected. Deonarine at worst is an on par bat to Samuels and a much better bowler.

  • Nathaniel45 on May 15, 2012, 21:53 GMT

    Would be an interesting call as one of the main reasons South Africa haven't been able to maintain top spot in recent years is a lack of a quality spinner - they are an absolute necessity, if anything just for variation. However, I do get the sense that Shillingford might be carted by KP and Ian Bell. Would also drop Samuels for Fudadin; Samuels might be experienced but he's not world class like Gayle. Gayle's experience is two triple test tons - Samuel's is one of constant failure, both personal and team-wise. Otherwise, this is a huge tour for Darren Bravo and Kemar Roach in particular. They need to show themselves as the future heartbeat of West Indies Cricket as Chanderpaul will have to go eventually. Kieran Powell will need to tighten his technique but he showed good mental resolve against the Lions and could be key. Shannon Gabriel should get at least one test as well because he's not slow.

  • Metman on May 15, 2012, 21:41 GMT

    Barath,Powell,Edwards,Bravo,Chanders,Samuels,Ramdin,Sammy,Shillingford,Roach,Edwards.....Rampaul has NO STAMINA for a test match !Kirk Edwards has the highest test av.among the 11....last 10 innings av.around 49....some people linking him with Barath and Powell....

  • on May 15, 2012, 21:29 GMT

    roach, fidel, shilly, narine

  • on May 15, 2012, 21:19 GMT

    Don't think Fudadin will get a chance in this match. If he was in the frame i'm sure he would have played in the Lion's match. If WI plays 4 seamers then Samuels will definitely play. Deonarine might be included at the expense of barath which means K Edwards would open.

  • on May 15, 2012, 21:16 GMT

    I am on the same wave length as Gibson. I see a four prong pace attack, leaving out the special spinner, and using the batsmen/cum spinners to bowl slow, and the last batting position between Edwards and Barath. Good Luck Windies.

  • Ncnotorious on May 15, 2012, 21:02 GMT

    "Our batting revolves around shiv" - loll love this comment...Soon they'll realize shiv is just as useful in ODI and even T20s...he did extremely well in the BPL

  • johnathonjosephs on May 15, 2012, 21:00 GMT

    Would be great. Roach, Sammy, Rampaul, Edwards, and Andre Russel would be ideal. Russel in the team because he can bat better than most of the batsman in West Indies and he has that knack of getting a breakthrough

  • on May 15, 2012, 20:49 GMT

    Warren Mendes - Well it's not exactly a pace attack like we had in the 80s. That attack was four out and out pace bowlers. Fidel and Roach are out and out fast bowlers, while Rampaul is more fast medium swing, and Sammy has less pace, but relies on seam movement.

  • Beertjie on May 15, 2012, 20:38 GMT

    Albert Matthew, Fully concur, provided Edwards is happy opening. Fudadin deserves a shot sometime.

  • on May 15, 2012, 20:32 GMT

    west indies should keep in shane shillingford. rampaul and should be among the wickets and roach should be the top bowler. edwards and sammy can chip in with a wicket here and there. bowling however is not the problem. we need to organize the battiing line up. we need to give asad fudadin a chance. powell, edwards, fudadin,bravo, shiv, samuels, ramdin, shilly, ramp,roach, edwards

  • AdrianVanDenStael on May 15, 2012, 20:16 GMT

    @Michelle Wilkinson Wilkinson: it is indeed not correct. I suspect what they might be looking at is that Roach is one of only six West Indies bowlers to take ten wickets in a match against Australia (for all ten-wicket performances in Aus v WI tests, see http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/bowling/best_figures_match.html?class=1;id=2;id=4;type=headtohead ). However, it still would not be true to say that Roach 'became only the sixth West Indies bowler to bag a ten-wicket match haul against Australia during the home Test series against Australia', since at the time Roach was in fact the fifth such bowler to do this; the sixth was Shane Shillingford, which happened in the following test.

  • on May 15, 2012, 20:13 GMT

    It is truly amazing in this ay and age to hear comments like "our batting revolves around Shiv". I thought that we were past this latter day phenomenon where a team depended on one "great" batsman. If you check mosyt teams today there is a cadre of seasoned batsmen who are re;lied on to produce the runs required. In addition all players from 1 to 11 are expected to contribute. Otis let's try a little experiment. Leave out Shiv for one match and let's see if the the so called improving can score more than 200 in both innings !!!! Oh by the way you can bet that England will be fielding either Swann or Panesar.....4 pacers indeed !!?????????

  • on May 15, 2012, 20:11 GMT

    @Michelle Wilkinson Wilkinson

    You're right. Roach was the <i>sixteenth</i>. And Shillingford was the seventeenth.

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=start;qualmin1=1;qualval1=ten_wickets;team=4;template=results;type=bowling

  • landsite on May 15, 2012, 19:59 GMT

    Good idea lets fight fire with fire because spin is not really a good option in these conditions,the team picks itself and there must be no changes to the opening batsmen ,Barath must open with Powell.Bar Gayle Barath is the best opener in the Caribbean and by far a better bat than Powell.We are aware that Barath has had a very lean time but dropping him will make the opening spot even weaker if you use Edwards,leave it the way its been since the Oz tour he will come good,a 30 or 40 in the test might just what he needs. Barath,Powell,Edwards,Bravo,Shiv,Samuels,Ramdin,Sammy,Roach,Rampaul, Fidel,Sammy could easily turn out to be a matchwinner in these conditions,dont forget his 7fer in England before.

  • TheLight on May 15, 2012, 19:44 GMT

    Gibson, so you say your batting revolves around Shiv..............how ironic that this is the same Shiv that you tried your utmost to keep out of the side.

  • on May 15, 2012, 19:41 GMT

    Is this right ? Roach being the sixth west indian bowler to get a 10 wkt match haul? dOESN'T SEEM CORRECT TO ME

  • on May 15, 2012, 19:32 GMT

    All pace attack will not work in this day and age. This is not 1980. Players wear heavy protective gear and are not afraid of pace. Also, the rules governing bowling actions have been tightened, so West Indies cannot intimidate with a massive attack as they could back then. The game is different now. Teams have to vary their attack between pace and spin. Pure pace will yield lots of runs and few wickets from the England side.

  • SDHM on May 15, 2012, 19:30 GMT

    Rally - Swann has never been dropped from the Test side, or if he has I've had a mental blank and can't remember a thing about it. When you have one of the world's best spinners in your side, why on Earth would you drop him?

  • merciless256 on May 15, 2012, 19:20 GMT

    Why not try the all pace attack, we have Marlon who could bowl spin just in case and if they want another spinner they could probably bring in Deonarine to help out, but the guys at the top of the order need to step up though.This a crucial series for Barath, Edwards and Powell,Barath in particular needs to find some kinda form, but I know the team as a whole will fight and they won't allow themselves to just get rolled over by the ''mighty'' England.

  • AdrianVanDenStael on May 15, 2012, 18:54 GMT

    An all-pace attack might be right for the conditions, but it would be a bold move after Shillingford did so well in the West Indies' last test

  • on May 15, 2012, 18:41 GMT

    This is a no-brainer, WI must go with the three pacers with Sammy and Samuels in support. Both Edwards and Bravo can bowl in an emergency if needed. Shillingford will not be effective in the conditions expected for this Test at Lords. There is the temptation (by Gibson) to move Shiv up the order because of the consistent failure of the WI top order. That will be a major mistake for three reasons (1) if he moves up, it would have to be to the no. 3 spot and WI should not risk his wicket against the new ball ( if he goes early, the psychological damage to the team will be enormous) (2) Shiv has emphatically stated on numerous occasions that he wants to bat at no. 5. ( why mess with success, Gibson should have learnt this by now) and (3) these young players are talented, true they are going thru a bad patch but they have to learn to cope with failure before they can be successful. They WILL come good on this tour!! The WI will surprise a lot of people in this series..Go Windies!!!

  • Bluntman on May 15, 2012, 18:31 GMT

    "Ravi just had a stiff neck from sleeping badly; probably staying up too late or playing Playstation."

    Poking something there gibbo?

  • Big_Poppa_94 on May 15, 2012, 18:26 GMT

    West Indies have the bowling attack to upset England. But it's their batting which needs to pull together. The openers would need to lay a solid platform for the likes of Chanders & Bravo. Chanders is the KEY player and Bravo needs to make a huge hundred to prove his credentials.

  • noplay on May 15, 2012, 18:18 GMT

    The WI team has a think tank? Joke of the day. And then the coach said Sammy was rested? Which think tank thought of that one. Sammy bowled a lot of balls against Australia? In a 43 day period he bowled a total of 123 overs. Kemar bowled that in the 15 days of test cricket. Tell Gayle again about the new work ethic. Come to England for a rest man!

  • on May 15, 2012, 18:11 GMT

    west indies play with whatever combination of bowling but they can't change the result and the result is england will win the series. they take full advantage of their home conditions

  • SDHM on May 15, 2012, 18:11 GMT

    To be honest, I never think going in with an all pace attack is a good idea - you need to pick a team for all five days of a game, and with the way England played spin over the winter (in completely different atmospheric and pitch conditions to be fair) would surely encourage you to keep a spinner in? Shillingford bowled excellently during the series with Australia, and given that England struggled to pick Ajmal's doosra, I'd be keeping him in the team!

  • meervys on May 15, 2012, 18:09 GMT

    Let's go for it coach we all in.....powell k Edwards bravo chanderpaul samuels ramdin Sammy roach fidel Rampaul gabriel.

  • on May 15, 2012, 18:05 GMT

    any how Gayle,Pollard,Naraine take back to the side.current side is not good enough to beat England.in 1980s West Indies beat England 5-0 (test series).now?

  • on May 15, 2012, 17:59 GMT

    West Indies selectors, give more chances to Indian origin players.they are playing good cricket presently.I like to see west Indies will perform like 1970-1980s. Now West Indies cricket has gone to the bottom.I propose Sobers,Richerds,greenidge to name as selectors.

  • Rally_Windies on May 15, 2012, 17:22 GMT

    England, have left Swann out on many occasions when pacer was the better option... It was not because Swann was a bad bowler, and it was not as though he had a bad through ... Swann could pick up a "5 for" and get dropped next Test... and be back the Test after...

    That is the way the game works....

    Lets see if Gibson's brain is working !

    I await his decision ........

    will cricket or nepotism win out ?

  • Sinhaya on May 15, 2012, 17:13 GMT

    Well I think worth playing Shillingford because England are weak against spin. Regardless of whoever the bowlers are, Gibson please remember that test cricket is 5 days and not 3 days!

  • on May 15, 2012, 16:54 GMT

    The best combination for the first Test Match may not be very possible! An all pace attack! However, my first 11 may look like this: 1. Kiieran Powell 2. Kirk Edwards 3. Darren Bravo 4. Shivnarine Chanderpaul 5. Marlon Samuels/Assad Fudadin 6. Narsingh Deonarine 7. Dinesh Ramdin 8. Darren Sammy 9. Ravi Rampaul 10. Kemar Roach/Fidel Edwards 11. Shane Shillingford/Shannon Gabriel. I think that Fudadin should be considered. A spinner should be an option; our batting must be competent to put 400-500. Our bowlers have not been able to bowl out teams! I would include Gabriel, Shillingford and Fudadin! Blessings West Indies, my team! What do the rest of you think?

  • KDoc on May 15, 2012, 16:48 GMT

    Common Coach Gibson, the top order did not do well either against Australia. Thanks to Shiv and the tail enders, a decent total was on the board. You, Haynes, Richardson need to coach them about shot selection, esp Barath. Leave Shiv where he is most comfortable, or let him decide where he wants to bat; he has to be mentally strong. Why not include him in the ODIs to bring some solidity to the team?

  • bumsonseats on May 15, 2012, 16:39 GMT

    maybe the only winner will be the rain, looks as if it will interrupt part of each days play. but the ticket sales look as if its full houses on fri/sat.

  • Tigg on May 15, 2012, 16:25 GMT

    If the Windies play both Deonarine and Samuels then they don't need a frontline spinner.

    Their best shot is the seamers, Shillingford is a decent enough spinner but he is no Ajmal/Swann.

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  • Tigg on May 15, 2012, 16:25 GMT

    If the Windies play both Deonarine and Samuels then they don't need a frontline spinner.

    Their best shot is the seamers, Shillingford is a decent enough spinner but he is no Ajmal/Swann.

  • bumsonseats on May 15, 2012, 16:39 GMT

    maybe the only winner will be the rain, looks as if it will interrupt part of each days play. but the ticket sales look as if its full houses on fri/sat.

  • KDoc on May 15, 2012, 16:48 GMT

    Common Coach Gibson, the top order did not do well either against Australia. Thanks to Shiv and the tail enders, a decent total was on the board. You, Haynes, Richardson need to coach them about shot selection, esp Barath. Leave Shiv where he is most comfortable, or let him decide where he wants to bat; he has to be mentally strong. Why not include him in the ODIs to bring some solidity to the team?

  • on May 15, 2012, 16:54 GMT

    The best combination for the first Test Match may not be very possible! An all pace attack! However, my first 11 may look like this: 1. Kiieran Powell 2. Kirk Edwards 3. Darren Bravo 4. Shivnarine Chanderpaul 5. Marlon Samuels/Assad Fudadin 6. Narsingh Deonarine 7. Dinesh Ramdin 8. Darren Sammy 9. Ravi Rampaul 10. Kemar Roach/Fidel Edwards 11. Shane Shillingford/Shannon Gabriel. I think that Fudadin should be considered. A spinner should be an option; our batting must be competent to put 400-500. Our bowlers have not been able to bowl out teams! I would include Gabriel, Shillingford and Fudadin! Blessings West Indies, my team! What do the rest of you think?

  • Sinhaya on May 15, 2012, 17:13 GMT

    Well I think worth playing Shillingford because England are weak against spin. Regardless of whoever the bowlers are, Gibson please remember that test cricket is 5 days and not 3 days!

  • Rally_Windies on May 15, 2012, 17:22 GMT

    England, have left Swann out on many occasions when pacer was the better option... It was not because Swann was a bad bowler, and it was not as though he had a bad through ... Swann could pick up a "5 for" and get dropped next Test... and be back the Test after...

    That is the way the game works....

    Lets see if Gibson's brain is working !

    I await his decision ........

    will cricket or nepotism win out ?

  • on May 15, 2012, 17:59 GMT

    West Indies selectors, give more chances to Indian origin players.they are playing good cricket presently.I like to see west Indies will perform like 1970-1980s. Now West Indies cricket has gone to the bottom.I propose Sobers,Richerds,greenidge to name as selectors.

  • on May 15, 2012, 18:05 GMT

    any how Gayle,Pollard,Naraine take back to the side.current side is not good enough to beat England.in 1980s West Indies beat England 5-0 (test series).now?

  • meervys on May 15, 2012, 18:09 GMT

    Let's go for it coach we all in.....powell k Edwards bravo chanderpaul samuels ramdin Sammy roach fidel Rampaul gabriel.

  • SDHM on May 15, 2012, 18:11 GMT

    To be honest, I never think going in with an all pace attack is a good idea - you need to pick a team for all five days of a game, and with the way England played spin over the winter (in completely different atmospheric and pitch conditions to be fair) would surely encourage you to keep a spinner in? Shillingford bowled excellently during the series with Australia, and given that England struggled to pick Ajmal's doosra, I'd be keeping him in the team!