Bresnan to head to USA for elbow surgery
Tim Bresnan, the England bowler, will travel to the USA shortly for a second operation on his troublesome elbow, which ruled him out of the tour to New Zealand.
When he was left out of the squads for New Zealand, the national selector, Geoff Miller, said that further surgery might be required. Bresnan underwent his first operation late in 2011 and has struggled to regain top form since, finishing 2012 with two wicketless Tests in India following a lean series against South Africa, and has often appeared down on pace.
Andrew Gale, Bresnan's captain at Yorkshire, confirmed the latest development: "He's going out to America in the next week or so, and he'll be there for a week or two to have an operation and then some rehab on his elbow," he told the Telegraph and Argus.
Bresnan's most recent appearance for England was successful, when he took 4 for 45 in the final ODI against India, and Gale was hopeful he would be back to full fitness early in the season. There is an outside chance of him featuring on Yorkshire's pre-season tour of Barbados.
Bresnan will have his eyes set on being available for the New Zealand series at home, which starts in late May, but a more realistic aim could be the Champions Trophy where England are keen for him to take the No. 7 slot in the one-day side to enable them to play five frontline bowlers in home conditions.
In his absence, Chris Woakes has a chance to establish his credentials in New Zealand. Woakes is part of all three squads for the tour, but will have to move ahead of Stuart Broad and Graham Onions to earn a Test place.
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@James murphy, let us not forget onions and Harris, who have extraordinary FC averages of 29.9 and 27.3 in a weak CC system. And woakes' the 130 km/h trundler will truly baffle our batsmen. I honestly did not think that England had this much of a dearth in pace bowling until checking the stats; Finn is constantly overrated; has averaged a measley 32 since the 10/11 ashes and is no where near the likes of morne morkel as a pacer at their similar heights, and yet look how well and easily the aus batsmen accounted and played morkel on the bounciest pitches in the world.
(FC averages) Bird: 19 cutting: 24 McDermott: 21 Faulkner: 23 butterworth: 23 putland: 24. England has no one to even compare with.
The english constantly love to overstate their players worth, (have a look at swann's average from after the ashes (37) and compare it with what FFL says about him) and are quick to disparage aus at any perceptible weakness, and yet, we've only lost three tests since, compared to their seven
@mikey76 Hayden and Gilchrist..if you don't think they're world class you have issues. everyone goes throuh bad trots. Except usually they last longer english .lIf your talking about 06 that was 5-0 if I remember correctly. Warner is better than you think and getting better and better. Also I agree Anderson is world class, but he lacks support. Broad is out of sorts, Finn, bresnan, tremlett and onions don't put fear into our hearts. Anderson only bowls 135 wait til you see Starc and Pattinson swinging it as much at 145 with good height too. Even Siddle swings it these days! I predict 3-0 Australia and one test drawn snd the other saving you by the rain. Prediction: pietersen to leave eng to play for his real country SA.
@CricketingStargazer on (February 8, 2013, 7:37 GMT), "It shouldn't have influenced, but that is not to say that it didn't". That's not to say that it did either, but you stated it like it was fact. All else being equal, the slight mental edge that the team might have achieved because of Bresnan's record would be something to consider but I very much doubt that the selectors would have persevered with him if they didn't genuinely hope and believe that he could regain what had obviously been lost. If they believed that someone else could step in and be relatively assured of doing better then I think that they would have selected that person. That would indicate a concerning lack of confidence in the alternatives but I see it as more likely than their selecting someone who they believed wasn't to par but would give everyone else a warm and fuzzy feeling.
@jmcilhinney It shouldn't have influenced, but that is not to say that it didn't. In fact, it almost certainly did because sportsmen in general are superstitious and cricketers are the most superstitious of all (witness, for example, the incredible manner of dressing room antics to stop a wicket falling, or matters of kit and dress to maintain a run of form). Just because it sounds ridiculous doesn't mean that it isn't a factor!! Things that seem crazy to us help to generate that little spark of confidence around a team.
@Apocalypse_EX on (February 7, 2013, 18:51 GMT) - I was the same until the 2010/11 Ashes! I expect his batting stats to drop & his bowling ave to increase a bit over time, but I think when 100% fit, he is a very good 3rd seamer & #8 batsmen. He shouldn't be in the same side as Broad though, (even though they are NOT similar in style). @ Nutcutlet on (February 7, 2013, 7:31 GMT) - I think of Bresnan as a LESS "mouthy" version of Siddle in what they try to do on the field in a Test match. They'd give their captain a bucket of blood & another over whenever asked!
USA? Seriously? Come on Bresnan - the best surgeons are here at home mate! ;-)
@CricketingStargazer on (February 7, 2013, 17:26 GMT), I remember that Bresnan's "lucky charm" status was written about by journalists and talked about by fans but there is no evidence whatsoever that that was a factor in his selection.
true hes not been himself since the op, so maybe after this treatment he will be back to good form. similar to broad, he does not look at all himself see how he goes in NZ but would rest him for the return series in the uk. but we will have more than enough for the ashes with good back ups in reserve . would be nice to get anderson, bresnan and tremlett continuing were they left off from the last ashes test in sydney
James Murphy. Side stacked full of saffers? Well in the test side it's KP and Trott. Most of the other guys you label saffers were born there but raised in England. You guys have Khawaja and Henriques who were both born outside Aus as was Andrew Symonds. The vast majority of England players came up through the school and CC system. As far as your bowling goes, lets see how they do in India. Maxwell isn't anything special and most of your batsmen were in "sparkling" form against Sri Lanka. A green top under leaden skies against Anderson is a different matter altogether. We saw how world class players like Hayden and Gilchrist did against the swinging ball in 05, Warner and Hughes are nowhere near that standard.
To be honest I never thought Bresnan was test quality. Sure, he was part of those wins early in career, could swing the ball,bowled well against Australia and wasnt too bad of a bat either.However his first-class figures werent so impressive and I believed it was only a matter of time before his numbers fell. He was kind of a lucky cricketer like Perera is for Sri Lanka. I know its harsh to say that but thats what I felt. He's a hard working cricketer but he has to bowl well again in county cricket after his surgery before being selected anywhere else.
@James murphy, let us not forget onions and Harris, who have extraordinary FC averages of 29.9 and 27.3 in a weak CC system. And woakes' the 130 km/h trundler will truly baffle our batsmen. I honestly did not think that England had this much of a dearth in pace bowling until checking the stats; Finn is constantly overrated; has averaged a measley 32 since the 10/11 ashes and is no where near the likes of morne morkel as a pacer at their similar heights, and yet look how well and easily the aus batsmen accounted and played morkel on the bounciest pitches in the world.
(FC averages) Bird: 19 cutting: 24 McDermott: 21 Faulkner: 23 butterworth: 23 putland: 24. England has no one to even compare with.
The english constantly love to overstate their players worth, (have a look at swann's average from after the ashes (37) and compare it with what FFL says about him) and are quick to disparage aus at any perceptible weakness, and yet, we've only lost three tests since, compared to their seven
@mikey76 Hayden and Gilchrist..if you don't think they're world class you have issues. everyone goes throuh bad trots. Except usually they last longer english .lIf your talking about 06 that was 5-0 if I remember correctly. Warner is better than you think and getting better and better. Also I agree Anderson is world class, but he lacks support. Broad is out of sorts, Finn, bresnan, tremlett and onions don't put fear into our hearts. Anderson only bowls 135 wait til you see Starc and Pattinson swinging it as much at 145 with good height too. Even Siddle swings it these days! I predict 3-0 Australia and one test drawn snd the other saving you by the rain. Prediction: pietersen to leave eng to play for his real country SA.
@CricketingStargazer on (February 8, 2013, 7:37 GMT), "It shouldn't have influenced, but that is not to say that it didn't". That's not to say that it did either, but you stated it like it was fact. All else being equal, the slight mental edge that the team might have achieved because of Bresnan's record would be something to consider but I very much doubt that the selectors would have persevered with him if they didn't genuinely hope and believe that he could regain what had obviously been lost. If they believed that someone else could step in and be relatively assured of doing better then I think that they would have selected that person. That would indicate a concerning lack of confidence in the alternatives but I see it as more likely than their selecting someone who they believed wasn't to par but would give everyone else a warm and fuzzy feeling.
@jmcilhinney It shouldn't have influenced, but that is not to say that it didn't. In fact, it almost certainly did because sportsmen in general are superstitious and cricketers are the most superstitious of all (witness, for example, the incredible manner of dressing room antics to stop a wicket falling, or matters of kit and dress to maintain a run of form). Just because it sounds ridiculous doesn't mean that it isn't a factor!! Things that seem crazy to us help to generate that little spark of confidence around a team.
@Apocalypse_EX on (February 7, 2013, 18:51 GMT) - I was the same until the 2010/11 Ashes! I expect his batting stats to drop & his bowling ave to increase a bit over time, but I think when 100% fit, he is a very good 3rd seamer & #8 batsmen. He shouldn't be in the same side as Broad though, (even though they are NOT similar in style). @ Nutcutlet on (February 7, 2013, 7:31 GMT) - I think of Bresnan as a LESS "mouthy" version of Siddle in what they try to do on the field in a Test match. They'd give their captain a bucket of blood & another over whenever asked!
USA? Seriously? Come on Bresnan - the best surgeons are here at home mate! ;-)
@CricketingStargazer on (February 7, 2013, 17:26 GMT), I remember that Bresnan's "lucky charm" status was written about by journalists and talked about by fans but there is no evidence whatsoever that that was a factor in his selection.
true hes not been himself since the op, so maybe after this treatment he will be back to good form. similar to broad, he does not look at all himself see how he goes in NZ but would rest him for the return series in the uk. but we will have more than enough for the ashes with good back ups in reserve . would be nice to get anderson, bresnan and tremlett continuing were they left off from the last ashes test in sydney
James Murphy. Side stacked full of saffers? Well in the test side it's KP and Trott. Most of the other guys you label saffers were born there but raised in England. You guys have Khawaja and Henriques who were both born outside Aus as was Andrew Symonds. The vast majority of England players came up through the school and CC system. As far as your bowling goes, lets see how they do in India. Maxwell isn't anything special and most of your batsmen were in "sparkling" form against Sri Lanka. A green top under leaden skies against Anderson is a different matter altogether. We saw how world class players like Hayden and Gilchrist did against the swinging ball in 05, Warner and Hughes are nowhere near that standard.
To be honest I never thought Bresnan was test quality. Sure, he was part of those wins early in career, could swing the ball,bowled well against Australia and wasnt too bad of a bat either.However his first-class figures werent so impressive and I believed it was only a matter of time before his numbers fell. He was kind of a lucky cricketer like Perera is for Sri Lanka. I know its harsh to say that but thats what I felt. He's a hard working cricketer but he has to bowl well again in county cricket after his surgery before being selected anywhere else.
@Simon Vaughan-Spencer on (February 7, 2013, 5:41 GMT) Think you're a bit harsh on Broad. A fully fit Broad is a huge asset. He prob shouldn't be T20 captain and Swann would be perfect for that job. Maybe age came into the thinking along with the long term plan - England maybe knew they'd be resting Swann from alot of games
@Nutcutlet on (February 7, 2013, 7:31 GMT) re"He reminds me of a time when the word 'character' carried with it universal understanding & approval, instead of its frothy modern replacement ('personality') we are expected to be in awe of today" - He reminds me of the guy from the Plusnet advert
Anyway , I hope he does regain whatever he lost from the injury/surgery etc ...
@jmc If you remember, he was brought back as a talisman in Sri Lanka because he had been on the winning side in every Test he had played and duly did the necessary to "save" the series. What was obvious though is that he was not right and I really do wonder why it took so long to realise that he needed more surgery (I was posting early in India tour that I thought that he would have to do it again). Maybe there was a hope that he could work it off with more bowling but it was not working: he was managing some good performances in warm-up games but, when he had to step up the level in Tests he just couldn't. Good luck to him. Incidentally, in the ODIs in India Tim Bresnan was clocked at 90mph: not sure about that one, but he was faster than any of the Indian bowlers that day.
SamuelH - Sorry but Finn is not a consistent 150 plus bowler. Thats rubbish- if you discount the inconsistencies of speed radar, then having hit 150 very occasionally means he hardly ever hits 150. He gets bounce because of his height. that makes him usefull at times, not his pace which isnt anything special. Nutcutlet - match winners with the ball at Test level take five fors, how many has he taken in Test cricket? Once thats all. Hes only taken five six times in his whole first class career. The other hit and giggle rubbish doesnt matter anyway.
Dernbach has only played because he was at Surrey -mediocre county bowler. England need some pace not 80 mph trundlers. Finn is never fit for longer than a month or so. Broad will still be picked when he is about 30 for his "potential", by which time he we be bowling about 75 mph!
Bresnan a big loss was instrumental in Ashes victory in 2010. Swings it both ways. Eng can't play two spinners in the ashes so it is starting to look grim. Australia boast a pace attack of Pattinson and Starc who are up and coming superstars in the Steyn and Akram moulds, Glenn McGrath clone Jackson Bird, coupled with the much improved Siddle and Mitchell Johnson. Not to mention a spinning all rounder in Maxwell who averages 42 in first class with the bat. If Cook doesn't fire it could be a long long series for England with Warner Watson Hughes and Clarke all in sparkling form. There will be no cheating using sub fielders this time... Although I see you still have your team stacked with Saffers.
Certainly his last operation didn't go so well as he's not, at all, looked the same bowler since. Hopefully he'll do well and get back to the Timmy B we all know.
We know he has the talent, unlike a certain tatoo'd, south african member of the current limited overs squads...
@jmcilhinney I can imagine you are a huge fan of bresnan. But if you consider his spells against india at Ahmedabad and Nagpur, he went wicketless and never ever looked like beating the bat once, leave alone producing wicket taking balls. His spell especially in the last test at nagpur made anderson bowl his heart out. If anderson had got injured on the third day which looked very likely, the test match could have had a different result. If you keep on playing bresnan and hope he may or may not gain his zip is ridiculous. We fans dont want to see bresnan spoiling the party for another two years.
@Barry Glynn - Finn's been clocked at 150kmph several times, hardly mid-80s! I feel this whole stump kicking business has severely affected his rhythm though, we haven't seen him at that sort of pace in a while. Broad was clocked in at 140kmph and above in the T20s quite often, so it looks like he's managed to shrug off his niggling injuries, but of course running in for a couple of overs in a T20 is much different to a Test match scenario, so I'll wait for a while yet to say he's back in nick.
A player who gives 100% He demolished India in the Second innings at Trent Bridge and knocked up 80 plus with the bat.He was almost unplayable and it was a treat to watch him perform that day.
@Barry Glynn: can't quite understand why you can't supply the answer to yr query yrself. Click on TB hyperlink underneath his pic! All answers there! When you've reviewed his stats, I think you'll agree that he's showed himself a very valuable cricketer to England, despite carrying his injury recently. BTW, I was at the MCG when Eng skittled Oz on Boxing Day, 2010. He was absolutely superb, wicket-taking & mean as hell, on the biggest stage of all! And surely match winners often come in bunches as it's a team game!
Great guy and player Bresnan so lets hope the surgery is a success and he can back to his best . Typical comment from Randy Oz but the truth is if he was Australian he would be in line for the number 6 batting position and Wade would have to drop to 7.
Hope his surgery works out for him. But he has never been a match winner at Test level. At that level, bowlers need to take five fors and batsmen need to make hundreds. How many five fors has Bresnan taken? Englands bowling lacks pace now. Broad seems to have lost pace permanently. Finn has never bowled as quick as the English media has pumped him up to be, he isn't a 90+ mph bowler, mid eighties in reality. Anyway he tends to be another sicknote like Broad, both too tall and gangly for their own good.
Tim Bresnan is all that I admire in a professional cricketer. Skilled, unselfish, an honest trier (even when not 100%) supportive of others... in other words, a thoroughly good bloke & someone a captain is pleased to see on his side. He reminds me of a time when the word 'character' carried with it universal understanding & approval, instead of its frothy modern replacement ('personality') we are expected to be in awe of today. TB has character; others cultivate personality. Let's hope his surgery in the US works out well. Rest assured, if the road back is long & tough, TB will get to it as soon as he can! All the best, Bres!
Broad lost 10 kph as well in 2012. I remember seeing the matches where Bopara played, and the Essex trundler was bowling 4 kph faster than Broad on average. Measured on the same day, on the same equipment from the same bowling end. No international team wants or needs a pair of specialist seam bowlers barely capable of 80mph. England seem to stick with weak bowlers for way to long. Look at the wide long hops and leg side filth Dernbach has been bowling match in -match out this winter. Yet he is still picked every game.
TB's Test batgting average is seven higher than Broad's, and their bowling averages are the same. His ODI bowling stats aren't so good (hopefully the op will help). Bresnan is under rated, while I think that Broad is are over-rated: far too inconsistent, especially with the bat. They are the same age, but Bresnan seems more serious about his cricket - no doubt this is a reason for Broad's promotion to be T20 captain ahead of the likes of Graeme Swan.
@bumble23 on (February 7, 2013, 3:52 GMT), how do you know that? Are you part of his medical team? He hasn't been the same bowler since his first surgery but if this next surgery can rectify whatever was upset then he could well be back to his old self. Maybe, maybe not but, either way, it's safe to say that you have no idea so maybe you should think a little before commenting in future. As for Braod, his form also dipped when he suffered an injury and there's suspicion among many that he's been carrying one niggle or another ever since. Some have reported that he was looking more his old self in the T20 warmups in NZ so hopefully he has shaken off his recent funk and he can get back to playing the way he was when England beat Australia in the last Ashes, which RandyUK seems to have forgotten already.
Bresnan would never be able to achieve the pace and swing for which he was renowned for. A fast bowler with raw pace should be nurtured in place of him now. Broad has also lost 10kmph so its a bit of a concern for the fast bowling department with steven finn also prone to injury.
Bad luck for Bresnan, I think he is a wholehearted player. Hope he recovers quickly.
Some opposition fans like to disparage him but Bresnan was an excellent performer for England before his elbow surgery. I really do think that the selectors persisted with him for far too long afterwards though, when it was clear that something was not right. Obviously they thought that it would just take some time for him to get back to his best but, as many have said, maybe a player coming back from injury should prove that they're back to their best before being reselected. Hopefully for the sake of Bresnan and England he can get back to pretty much where he was before. Having seemingly lost Chris Tremlett to injury for good, losing Bresnan for good to an injury as well would be a real shame.
Not a huge loss for England, a bit like Broad when he didnt play
Good luck Bres :(
Some opposition fans like to disparage him but Bresnan was an excellent performer for England before his elbow surgery. I really do think that the selectors persisted with him for far too long afterwards though, when it was clear that something was not right. Obviously they thought that it would just take some time for him to get back to his best but, as many have said, maybe a player coming back from injury should prove that they're back to their best before being reselected. Hopefully for the sake of Bresnan and England he can get back to pretty much where he was before. Having seemingly lost Chris Tremlett to injury for good, losing Bresnan for good to an injury as well would be a real shame.
Good luck Bres :(
Not a huge loss for England, a bit like Broad when he didnt play
Some opposition fans like to disparage him but Bresnan was an excellent performer for England before his elbow surgery. I really do think that the selectors persisted with him for far too long afterwards though, when it was clear that something was not right. Obviously they thought that it would just take some time for him to get back to his best but, as many have said, maybe a player coming back from injury should prove that they're back to their best before being reselected. Hopefully for the sake of Bresnan and England he can get back to pretty much where he was before. Having seemingly lost Chris Tremlett to injury for good, losing Bresnan for good to an injury as well would be a real shame.
Bad luck for Bresnan, I think he is a wholehearted player. Hope he recovers quickly.
Bresnan would never be able to achieve the pace and swing for which he was renowned for. A fast bowler with raw pace should be nurtured in place of him now. Broad has also lost 10kmph so its a bit of a concern for the fast bowling department with steven finn also prone to injury.
@bumble23 on (February 7, 2013, 3:52 GMT), how do you know that? Are you part of his medical team? He hasn't been the same bowler since his first surgery but if this next surgery can rectify whatever was upset then he could well be back to his old self. Maybe, maybe not but, either way, it's safe to say that you have no idea so maybe you should think a little before commenting in future. As for Braod, his form also dipped when he suffered an injury and there's suspicion among many that he's been carrying one niggle or another ever since. Some have reported that he was looking more his old self in the T20 warmups in NZ so hopefully he has shaken off his recent funk and he can get back to playing the way he was when England beat Australia in the last Ashes, which RandyUK seems to have forgotten already.
TB's Test batgting average is seven higher than Broad's, and their bowling averages are the same. His ODI bowling stats aren't so good (hopefully the op will help). Bresnan is under rated, while I think that Broad is are over-rated: far too inconsistent, especially with the bat. They are the same age, but Bresnan seems more serious about his cricket - no doubt this is a reason for Broad's promotion to be T20 captain ahead of the likes of Graeme Swan.
Broad lost 10 kph as well in 2012. I remember seeing the matches where Bopara played, and the Essex trundler was bowling 4 kph faster than Broad on average. Measured on the same day, on the same equipment from the same bowling end. No international team wants or needs a pair of specialist seam bowlers barely capable of 80mph. England seem to stick with weak bowlers for way to long. Look at the wide long hops and leg side filth Dernbach has been bowling match in -match out this winter. Yet he is still picked every game.
Tim Bresnan is all that I admire in a professional cricketer. Skilled, unselfish, an honest trier (even when not 100%) supportive of others... in other words, a thoroughly good bloke & someone a captain is pleased to see on his side. He reminds me of a time when the word 'character' carried with it universal understanding & approval, instead of its frothy modern replacement ('personality') we are expected to be in awe of today. TB has character; others cultivate personality. Let's hope his surgery in the US works out well. Rest assured, if the road back is long & tough, TB will get to it as soon as he can! All the best, Bres!
Hope his surgery works out for him. But he has never been a match winner at Test level. At that level, bowlers need to take five fors and batsmen need to make hundreds. How many five fors has Bresnan taken? Englands bowling lacks pace now. Broad seems to have lost pace permanently. Finn has never bowled as quick as the English media has pumped him up to be, he isn't a 90+ mph bowler, mid eighties in reality. Anyway he tends to be another sicknote like Broad, both too tall and gangly for their own good.