India v Pakistan, Champions Trophy, Group B, Edgbaston June 15, 2013

Pakistan fall short of proud history

After their third loss and exit from the tournament, Dav Whatmore's claim that criticism of his side is unjustified doesn't stack up
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If Pakistan were under any doubt as to the level of anger their poor performance in the Champions Trophy had engendered among their supporters, it would have been banished as the team bus was pelted with bottles and stones as it left Edgbaston.

Having succumbed to their third successive defeat in the tournament, Pakistan were forced to admit that they had been comprehensively out-played by their arch-rivals India. Yet their coach, Dav Whatmore, responded to his side's elimination by chiding journalists for getting "carried away" with their criticisms and then claimed that his side were "one ODI victory from a good series".

It is simply not true. Had Pakistan prevailed in one of their three games in this event, they would still have been eliminated at the first hurdle, they would still have an inadequate batting line-up and they would still be deluding themselves into thinking there is not a gap emerging between the top nations and themselves. There is no excusing the bottles that were hurled at the Pakistan bus - such behaviour shames the vast majority of passionate but sensible supporters - but their performance in this competition has failed to justify the proud traditions of Pakistan cricket.

There is much to celebrate and nurture in Pakistan cricket. The fielding is improving and the bowling is genuinely exciting. But it would be foolish to deny there are also real causes for concern. If Whatmore cannot admit there is a problem, he may find it hard to find the solution.

To rub salt in the wound, this game confirmed a fear that many Pakistan supporters would have had for a while: that a chasm is growing between these two arch-enemies. While Pakistan have batted like blind men lost in fog, India have developed a couple of top-order players of real class. The manner with which Rohit Sharma and Shikhar Dhawan dealt with the short ball, in particular, suggested there is no reason they cannot both excel in all formats, all around the world. Even the Indian fielding, for so long a weakness, has become a strength. It was not a completely dead game, either. It remains possible that, if the semi-final is rained off, then points scored in the group stages could yet be relevant. It may be some consolation to Pakistan that India have shown how quickly change can come.

Pakistan, by contrast, failed to reach 200 in any of their games (they made 170, 167 and 165, which is consistency of a sort) and have now been bowled out in eight of their last 13 ODIs. Shoaib Malik averaged 8.33 in the tournament, Kamran Akmal 7.66, Mohammad Hafeez 12.66 and Imran Farhat, dropped from this game like a suffering dog might be put out of its misery, 2.00. That is not a blip, it is a pattern. Pakistan's batting has failed.

"You don't have to be Einstein to know we didn't make enough runs," Whatmore admitted. "But this is almost the same team that beat India in India. It's not a bad team. One series doesn't make the team a bad team. It's a trend in this series only."

That is debatable. Apart from the series win against India, Pakistan have actually lost ODI series against England, Sri Lanka, Australia and South Africa, with the victory in the Asia Cup the stand-out performance. It is hard to sustain Whatmore's argument.

The aim now must be to look forward to the 2015 World Cup. That gives Pakistan enough time to build a new side and to make the changes that they know are required: more A tours, more players experiencing conditions around the world and an end to a system where it sometimes seems that patronage and contacts are as important as merit. Whatmore's "these things happen" attitude, which seems to put such results down to bad luck, is an attitude that is simply too laissez-faire for modern, professional sport.

Perhaps the most accurate comment Whatmore made was when he said "it's easy to be critical". When Pakistan perform like this, it is indeed very easy.

There are bigger issues than winning and losing, though. Here, in the city where Enoch Powell made his "rivers of blood" speech, the supporters of two nations whose political relationship might best be described as frosty, sat side by side in a packed stadium in passionate support of their teams. There was no need for segregated seating, no heavy-handed policing, no serious trouble (a handful of spectators were ejected for directing abusive language at stewards and there was some foolishness at the end, but no more the case than is fairly normal when 25,000 people come together for 10 hours) and, generally, very little other than cheerful good humour despite the rain breaks and one-sided nature of the contest.

Norman Tebbit, the Conservative peer, would have hated it. It was, after all, Tebbit who infamously suggested that the descendants of migrants should support the England cricket side to prove their assimilation into British society. But for everyone but Tebbit, this was a day that reflected well on multi-cultural Britain, on multi-cultural Birmingham and, most of all, on the unifying powers of our great game.

George Dobell is a senior correspondent at ESPNcricinfo

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  • POSTED BY Nampally on | June 16, 2013, 23:15 GMT

    George, thank you for your very honest & thoughtful comments about Enoch Powell & about the Tory MP. Today both the Indian & Pakistani supporters rode above politics & showed great discipline & respect for each others teams. I am an Indian Fan but was astonished at most of the comments made by Pakistani Fans- honest & down to earth. This match was of a purely academic interest as for as the result was concerned. To be honest, Pakistani bowling is world class but batting lacks the same high standard. It is difficult to win matches when there is very little batting strength. Pakistan is in a developmental state & will rise soon. But until that happens, it is difficult to be a world power. On the other hand Indian team has developed after some humiliating performances abroad & at home. India now has a well balanced team in batting, bowling & Fielding. It is a very keen team determined to do well every day. If they play to their potential & if weather is not a factor, they will Win.

  • POSTED BY PatrickJM on | June 15, 2013, 23:53 GMT

    Excellent article, and an even better conclusion. Pakistan cricket suffers from the instability of its domestic political situation, and it is to the credit of the Pakistani people credit that despite that such a situation they frequently produce world class cricketers. Nonetheless, there can be little doubt that the lack of international cricket in Pakistan, and the politics behind the banning of Pakistani players from the IPL, has harmed the national team. The ICC need to come up with a solution, otherwise one of cricket's most fecund geographical areas will suffer, and indeed cricket itself.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | June 17, 2013, 12:11 GMT

    lacking spark players like afridi,razaq or umar akmal costed them the early exit and secondly what i felt was players were expecting the unexpected seem movmnt out ther and couldnt evn play spin which as an asian team ws mch easier to counter.Fault comes frm newly appointed batting coach which to me backfired aa players were left stranded baffled and confused

  • POSTED BY electric_waco_WAP4 on | June 16, 2013, 22:50 GMT

    One good thing happened to India is not having a captain from Delhi or Mumbai. Both groups play power politics and ruin the cricket. Hope Indian selectors take a notice of that and keep in mind selecting a captain from different places than above mentioned

  • POSTED BY inzisaloos on | June 16, 2013, 22:27 GMT

    Beyond the obvious problem with the batting lies the real issue and it can be summed up in one word: selection, selection, selection! Malik has not made even a half century in his last 30 ODI Iinnings spanning 4 years and averages just 18 over that period. Farhat has an overall strike rate of under 70, and has an average over his last 15 innings of just 24! And yet these are the same faces given chance after chance after chance. Which other cricketing power would put up with such mediocrity?! Whatever people might think about Umar Akmal's temperament his average is 37 and he is difficult to set a field to because of the aggression and all round ability in his batting. There are other youngsters too who now need to be blooded: Haris Sohail, Usman Salahuddin, Babar Azam, Sami Aslam, to name just a few. These players should be nurtured in preparation for the World Cup in 2 years time. Add a sprinkling of senior players and Pakistan's batting has the ingredients to come out of this crisis.

  • POSTED BY spot_on on | June 16, 2013, 22:15 GMT

    So, it's the weather yesterday which made the pitch look like a sub-continental one. Pakistani Bowlers were not complemented by the weather but the indian batsmen were. Errr, yeah you guys.. the last time I saw a world map, Pakistan was a country located at North America just above Canada, near the North Pole and not an asian country..

    Just wondering, when would few fans here admit the fact that India have in-form batsmen right now and negating any team on a given day !!!!

  • POSTED BY sarangsrk on | June 16, 2013, 17:32 GMT

    @SamRoy, I agree that in 70s, Pak might have good world class batsmen but since 1980s, I haven't seen many "real" batsmen. As a general trend, I think Pak selectors and fans don't keep enough high standards for batsmen as they do for bowlers. Thats why you see ppl asking for players like Ahmed Shehzad, Fawad Alam and players like Farhat, Malik etc playing as specialist batsmen. Lot of ex players from Pakistan have long argued that bowling wins you games. Its high time they should be reminded that you can't score 150 every time and get away.

  • POSTED BY gujratwalla on | June 16, 2013, 17:24 GMT

    Lets face the facts! The better team won.Forget about your exuces Pakistan simply do not have any Test standard batsman in this squad except Misbah.The pacers are ok.but inexperienced.No use crying over spilt milk.Pakistan team selection is a farce and dependent on the personal whims of the selectors not talent.I have no doubt that several of the club standard cricketers in the team like Malik,Farhat,Hafeez,are on a free enjoyment Tour of the UK!Pakistan have huge talent but there is no organisation,no encouragement,no advancement,if you belong to the underpriveliged class.This the reason behind talented and forceful players like Razzaq,Hammad,Shazeb etc being continually being ignored

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2013, 16:30 GMT

    Pakistan batting is the issue, I think we should submit to the fact that we are not producing good enough players. Having done that, we should stick to Asad Shafiq, Umar Akmal and Umar Amin, and must do away with Shoaib Malik, Imran Farhat and Kamran Akmal. Use Umar Akmal as a keeper and tell him to make as many runs as he can get. He surely can stay fit and play as a keeper for two to three years to give a combination.

  • POSTED BY ramesh_sound on | June 16, 2013, 16:13 GMT

    Pakistan needs to be clear about what kind of batsman they want. There was a batsman called Asim Kamal, who had played well against India. He failed for a test and then dropped forever. Fawad Alam is another batsman who played well in Sri Lanka. Not to be heard. There was also this youngest batsman of all time, who fought hard against Australia, even when Pakistan were thumped in the gulf. But he also was dropped. Looks like people with decent techniques and heart to fight, are not really needed by Pakistan. Imran Farhat poked at outgoing balls on stationary feet ten years back; He is still there, doing the same thing. Even with constraints, the talent is there. Umar Akmal would have been a star like Kohli now; WHere is he? Talented guys have bad attitude and people with decent technique are discarded.

  • POSTED BY Nampally on | June 16, 2013, 23:15 GMT

    George, thank you for your very honest & thoughtful comments about Enoch Powell & about the Tory MP. Today both the Indian & Pakistani supporters rode above politics & showed great discipline & respect for each others teams. I am an Indian Fan but was astonished at most of the comments made by Pakistani Fans- honest & down to earth. This match was of a purely academic interest as for as the result was concerned. To be honest, Pakistani bowling is world class but batting lacks the same high standard. It is difficult to win matches when there is very little batting strength. Pakistan is in a developmental state & will rise soon. But until that happens, it is difficult to be a world power. On the other hand Indian team has developed after some humiliating performances abroad & at home. India now has a well balanced team in batting, bowling & Fielding. It is a very keen team determined to do well every day. If they play to their potential & if weather is not a factor, they will Win.

  • POSTED BY PatrickJM on | June 15, 2013, 23:53 GMT

    Excellent article, and an even better conclusion. Pakistan cricket suffers from the instability of its domestic political situation, and it is to the credit of the Pakistani people credit that despite that such a situation they frequently produce world class cricketers. Nonetheless, there can be little doubt that the lack of international cricket in Pakistan, and the politics behind the banning of Pakistani players from the IPL, has harmed the national team. The ICC need to come up with a solution, otherwise one of cricket's most fecund geographical areas will suffer, and indeed cricket itself.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | June 17, 2013, 12:11 GMT

    lacking spark players like afridi,razaq or umar akmal costed them the early exit and secondly what i felt was players were expecting the unexpected seem movmnt out ther and couldnt evn play spin which as an asian team ws mch easier to counter.Fault comes frm newly appointed batting coach which to me backfired aa players were left stranded baffled and confused

  • POSTED BY electric_waco_WAP4 on | June 16, 2013, 22:50 GMT

    One good thing happened to India is not having a captain from Delhi or Mumbai. Both groups play power politics and ruin the cricket. Hope Indian selectors take a notice of that and keep in mind selecting a captain from different places than above mentioned

  • POSTED BY inzisaloos on | June 16, 2013, 22:27 GMT

    Beyond the obvious problem with the batting lies the real issue and it can be summed up in one word: selection, selection, selection! Malik has not made even a half century in his last 30 ODI Iinnings spanning 4 years and averages just 18 over that period. Farhat has an overall strike rate of under 70, and has an average over his last 15 innings of just 24! And yet these are the same faces given chance after chance after chance. Which other cricketing power would put up with such mediocrity?! Whatever people might think about Umar Akmal's temperament his average is 37 and he is difficult to set a field to because of the aggression and all round ability in his batting. There are other youngsters too who now need to be blooded: Haris Sohail, Usman Salahuddin, Babar Azam, Sami Aslam, to name just a few. These players should be nurtured in preparation for the World Cup in 2 years time. Add a sprinkling of senior players and Pakistan's batting has the ingredients to come out of this crisis.

  • POSTED BY spot_on on | June 16, 2013, 22:15 GMT

    So, it's the weather yesterday which made the pitch look like a sub-continental one. Pakistani Bowlers were not complemented by the weather but the indian batsmen were. Errr, yeah you guys.. the last time I saw a world map, Pakistan was a country located at North America just above Canada, near the North Pole and not an asian country..

    Just wondering, when would few fans here admit the fact that India have in-form batsmen right now and negating any team on a given day !!!!

  • POSTED BY sarangsrk on | June 16, 2013, 17:32 GMT

    @SamRoy, I agree that in 70s, Pak might have good world class batsmen but since 1980s, I haven't seen many "real" batsmen. As a general trend, I think Pak selectors and fans don't keep enough high standards for batsmen as they do for bowlers. Thats why you see ppl asking for players like Ahmed Shehzad, Fawad Alam and players like Farhat, Malik etc playing as specialist batsmen. Lot of ex players from Pakistan have long argued that bowling wins you games. Its high time they should be reminded that you can't score 150 every time and get away.

  • POSTED BY gujratwalla on | June 16, 2013, 17:24 GMT

    Lets face the facts! The better team won.Forget about your exuces Pakistan simply do not have any Test standard batsman in this squad except Misbah.The pacers are ok.but inexperienced.No use crying over spilt milk.Pakistan team selection is a farce and dependent on the personal whims of the selectors not talent.I have no doubt that several of the club standard cricketers in the team like Malik,Farhat,Hafeez,are on a free enjoyment Tour of the UK!Pakistan have huge talent but there is no organisation,no encouragement,no advancement,if you belong to the underpriveliged class.This the reason behind talented and forceful players like Razzaq,Hammad,Shazeb etc being continually being ignored

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2013, 16:30 GMT

    Pakistan batting is the issue, I think we should submit to the fact that we are not producing good enough players. Having done that, we should stick to Asad Shafiq, Umar Akmal and Umar Amin, and must do away with Shoaib Malik, Imran Farhat and Kamran Akmal. Use Umar Akmal as a keeper and tell him to make as many runs as he can get. He surely can stay fit and play as a keeper for two to three years to give a combination.

  • POSTED BY ramesh_sound on | June 16, 2013, 16:13 GMT

    Pakistan needs to be clear about what kind of batsman they want. There was a batsman called Asim Kamal, who had played well against India. He failed for a test and then dropped forever. Fawad Alam is another batsman who played well in Sri Lanka. Not to be heard. There was also this youngest batsman of all time, who fought hard against Australia, even when Pakistan were thumped in the gulf. But he also was dropped. Looks like people with decent techniques and heart to fight, are not really needed by Pakistan. Imran Farhat poked at outgoing balls on stationary feet ten years back; He is still there, doing the same thing. Even with constraints, the talent is there. Umar Akmal would have been a star like Kohli now; WHere is he? Talented guys have bad attitude and people with decent technique are discarded.

  • POSTED BY SamRoy on | June 16, 2013, 15:08 GMT

    @sarangsrk In the mid to late 1970s there was Sadiq Mohammad, Asif Iqbal, Zaheer Abbas, Javed Maindad, Mushtaq Mohammad, Majid Khan and Imran Khan playing in one team. What are you talking of Pakistani team's batting of never been world class? True it is really bad now but it used to be really good in the 70s and 80s. Even though I am an Indian I know a lot of Pakistan cricket and its rich history. The worst thing that has happened to Pakistan cricket batting is Shahid Afridi. Yes, he is dynamic and highly entertaining but he is no proper batsman. Kids in Pakistan wanting to bat like him has caused the biggest downfall in batting standards.

  • POSTED BY itsthewayuplay on | June 16, 2013, 14:13 GMT

    Pakistan have the better pace bowlers, and India the better batters. Having said that whilst Pakistan do have probably the spinner in the world, Ashwin and Jadeja are improving and have performed consistently over the last few months. The weather yesterday meant that the conditions were similar to the subcontinent for batters which negated the effectiveness of the Pakistani pacers whilst the lack of bounce meant the Indian batsmen were able to get on the front foot and play their shots. Where the weather was good against the WI the Pakistani bowlers did well. And whilst there's no excuse for bottles being thrown at the team bus, Pakistani fans should be disappointed that the weather has had such an impact on their team's performance. England were not able to defend almost 300 against an average SL batting lineup so for Pakistan to defend a much smaller target against a stronger batting lineup in conditions that offered very little to their bowlers was always going to be a tough ask.

  • POSTED BY Shahid06 on | June 16, 2013, 13:40 GMT

    I did go to watch Pakistan Vs WI but after that did not have the courage to go and see Pakistani Wickets falling like nine pins..

    I agree that our batsman's are not getting opportunities to play at home and as a result not gaining in confidence. Our batting was miserable but how can you expect people like Shoab, Farhat, Akmal to play in overcast conditions in England. In spite of all of our batting woes, we have been the most consistent team for past 6 ICC events.. Played in 4 Semi-Finals and 2 Finals

    This time they made blenders and the issues were like

    1. Severe selection problems where they took almost 9 bowlers (Including all rounders), a keeper and 5 batsmen. Proper selection like addition of all rounders and some more batsmen in place of Farhat and Shoab would have helped

    2. Inclusion of a new batting coach for just this series just at the behest of What more.What a blender. He confused our batsmen more than any help.Oh man What more you will do to us

  • POSTED BY matchfixerpkn on | June 16, 2013, 13:33 GMT

    Mohammad Zamin..you are partially right. But same applies to pak bowlerr..due to non exposure their secret is hidden from other team members...that's how saeed ajmal become threat in intl era for last 3 years..but now see..almost every batsman plays him without any doubt. He is now just above ashvin...imagine if was exposed in ipl or other leagues then defiantly may be batsman are rolling voer him..jsut as harbajanh,hereth,mendis,ashvin etc exposed thru too many matches. Same with junaid ...

  • POSTED BY Shahid06 on | June 16, 2013, 13:16 GMT

    @ Girish Padhy: Oh man come on. Making Salman Butt the captain was the worst thing that has happened to Pakistan cricket and he proved that in just in his second match.

    He was a player who made runs occasionally. mostly against India. He was one of the worst fielder, dropped 1 catch per match on average...worst runner between the wickets. I was surprised to comprehend that at a very very young age, why he had trouble in running swiftly.. The only thing he had was his good English spoken skills.. and that was the only reason he was made captain while playing in England (Aus lost to Pakistan in that series but that was mainly due to the decline of Aussies)...From this you can imagine, the thinking of our board in selecting captains..

    In the current team, no one has the qualities of a real captain. Nasir Jamshed again has deep troubles in fielding...He played a couple of good innings against India and that's it..We need to unearth some new leader most probably a fast bowling all rounder

  • POSTED BY satyam.sharma on | June 16, 2013, 13:09 GMT

    As a British Indian, I should probably be all teary-eyed at the last two paragraphs celebrating multi-culti England. Actually, I'm not. I come to Cricinfo for cricket news. For Labour politics, I can always go to the Guardian or the Beeb. So can Mr. Dobell lay off the politics, please? Thanks.

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2013, 12:42 GMT

    Guys please understand something - Pakistan is at a great disadvantage when it comes to playing cricket as some commenters have stated in this thread there is no International cricket at home, hence the batsmen lack certain confidence and are unable to hone their skills..in a nutshell they lack experience, Dhawan and Pujara will play more matches than Asad Shafiq in 2 years due to their busy calendar..this helps them, Pakistan has by far the best bowling lineup in the world and they are only able to manage this by sheer talent...and also because Pak home conditions dont really matter to pacers. India is a powerhouse side for now no doubt but it has several advantages over Pakistan due to the money the board generates and its population, given the circumstances Pakistan is a brave and persistant side and should be respected by the world....I would love to see how any team would perform if they lacked international cricket in their country !

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2013, 11:28 GMT

    If the pakistan selectors had selected 1-sohaib maqsood scored 427 runs ave 71.00, 2-rafatullah Mohmand scored 425 runs ave 85.00, 3-azhar Ali scored 356 runs ave 89.00, 4-Khurram manzoor scored 349 runs ave 87.25, 5-sharjeel khan scored 319 runs ave 79.75, 6-asad shafiq scored 279 ave 139.00, 7-17 yr old Hussain talat scored 272 runs ave 90.67, 8-ahmad shahzad scored 259 ave 52.00 in the Presidents One Day Championship 2013 played in may.

    All of the above mentioned batsman scored more and averAged more then the guys selected for the ICC Champions Trophy. Only Misbah and kamran akmal came close within 250 and Ave over 55.00

    Check out the total scored runs, average for the tournament, number of 100s And 50s

    I wish if we had selected seven different batsmen we would be in a different position in the champions trophy.

  • POSTED BY wnwn on | June 16, 2013, 11:05 GMT

    My suggestion for a new Pakistan ODI team: 1) Nasir Jamshed, 2) Sharjeel Khan, 3) Babar Azam, 4) Umar Waheed, 5) Haris Sohail, 6) Mohammad Hafeez, 7) Jamal Anwar, 8) Saeed Ajmal, 9) Junaid Khan, 10) Asad Ali, 11) Mohammad Irfan

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2013, 10:53 GMT

    I would love to watch Saeed Ajmal as Pak Skipper. At least during the postmatch presentation, he will entertain the crowd with his heavenly English. Seriously, Pak need a skipper who can come up with fresh and attacking ideas and attitude, the same way Greame Smith (SA), MS Dhoni (Ind), Alistair Cook (Eng) etc did. Earlier, Pakistan's move with Salman Butt was a good one. Now, they have to seriously think about Nashir Jamshed to captain their side. And they should make other players to help and guide him wholeheartedly. After all, its about Pakistan, not about one or two Individuals. Jamshed is young, cool and fresh like Dhoni was...and is also with attacking mindset at the top of the order...Ahmed Shehzad or Imran Nazir can be handy with him to open...Asad Safiq, and Umar Akmal can be nortured to help Misbah in the middle....K Akmal and the Bowling attack of Pak have always been tremendous. A psychological mentor can be a big boost for the team in situations as they were in CT 201

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2013, 10:25 GMT

    i see everyone rebuilding a new team. India have already built a team for 2015. New zealand has come with a completely new team which have defeated south africa and england in their homegrounds. Australia, West indies, England, Sri lanka and south africa are also building their team for 2015. Even bangladesh are building their team. Only pakistan is the one sitting carelessly on this matter. i don't think there is another team in this champions trophy which has 8 or more players of their 15 man squad which are in their 30s. Pakistan team is also in need of a new captain who is probably an aggressive one. For now i think Afridi or Hafeez are the one even though they are not performing well but i think there is no better option and we have to go with either of them for now as i don't see any chance of misbah continuing till 2015 as he would be 41 then.

  • POSTED BY Fine_Legs on | June 16, 2013, 10:24 GMT

    One problem facing the Pakistan team is that they are unable to host home series. Every top cricketing nation orients its game around a certain environment: the Indian team orients its batting and spin strength around the true pitches, the Aussies excel at fast, short-pitched stuff and horizontal bat shots, the Brits orient around the ability (among bowlers) to swing the ball and (among batsmen) to play the moving ball patiently. The Caribbean cricketers simply orient to their Calypso atmosphere, while the South Africans, much like the Englishmen, use the pace and bounce of Durban, Cape Town and Johannesburg to shape their identity. Pakistan is suffering: it is a team dear to everyone's heart, including that of Indians such as mine. But they are finding it difficult to orient their art, their core abilities, in the absence of international cricket at home. See how India bounced back from its recent 8-0 drubbing: they used home ground advantage to do that.

  • POSTED BY pinn on | June 16, 2013, 10:19 GMT

    It is the lack of experience, the major difference between these 2 sides. Even though there are critics on IPL, it is the major source for Indian skills now a days. Check the Indian team, most of them are stars during the IPL, matured and pressurized enough to handle situations. Yeap, they lack in bowling a bit, but it might not be a issue in the future ( with new heroes being produced year by year in IPL ). More than all, the head (Dhoni) is strong for India. Even after that superb performance against Pak in all aspects of the game, he still looks for death bowling.

    On the other hand, Pak completely misses this experience. A player's confidence first improves in the home, later in other conditions (even the best of Indian batsmen scored heavily in Indian conditions initially). Unfortunate for Pak, it is completely missing now.

    Pak can be given a chance in IPL, but who (batsmen) will be picked in the playing 11 ? Even the likes of Faf had to sit out completely for CSK.

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2013, 10:04 GMT

    Pakistan is a very talented side....their bowling is excellent, I can say the best in the world right now! But they need to show the same consistency with the batsmen. 2 bad games and they drop a guy from the squad itself! Look at India who've stuck with Rohit Sharma even when he was called 2-minute Maggi Sharma due to his inability to even last for 2 minutes in a game! Look at Ravindra Jadeja, who is famous now as Sir, that being started out as a sarcasm for his form. They've immense talent in batting, Asad Shafiq is one Dravid in the making. But they should bring back Umar Akmal and Ahmed Shehzad, and stick to them, and not shuffle their batting positions all around. Also, seeing even this current team, which scored around 300 in both practice matches but failed to even reach 200 in tournament, it seems they suffer from a mental block rather than anything else...and will greatly help if they hire a psychological mentor/coach for such things. I hope fans of Pak will be patient.

  • POSTED BY malepas on | June 16, 2013, 9:38 GMT

    Not surprised at the final result card,,predicted 0-3 after see the team selected is not balanced at all,,Shoib is being selected from a long time at the back of political influence,Farhat due to his father-in-law influence,kamran,we just don't have any wicketkeeper batsman in the country,,we have tried several but failed,, now the way forward,,bring Umar Akmal,who is the most talented,gifted yound batsman in PAK,,he is no less then Kohli but India was patient with him when he failed and look where he is now,,PAK wanted him to bat everywhere and win games everytime he goes to bat,may be a good idea to persuade him to become wicketkeeper for shorter formats,We need HAMMAD in lower middle,Hafeez is fine at 3,,we must not go back with Afridi-Razzaq,,may be Younas in middle gives more experience to the side.Shahzad to open with Jamshed.ppl stop mentioning Fawad,,he not good at all.Harris should be around as well. Bowling is good enough.

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2013, 9:27 GMT

    Misbah the batsman deserves a large round of applause. He has been outstanding in the last two years with the bat and needs to be in the team for at least two more years . Misbah the captain on the other hand needs to go. Under his leadership, we have lost series to Eng, SL, Aus, SA and this CT debacle. Neither have we seen any young players groomed under his reign. Rather players like U Akmal and Asad Shafiq who came on horizon 3/4 years back are still fighting for their place in the team with likes of Malik and Farhat. Misbah hasn't brought any laurels, the team is in a mess due to his persistent defensive mindset, our batsmen have lost the positive intent so we need a fresh captain. While batting Misbah can recover from his slow start but the rest of the 10 guys can't. The younger crop has been trying to emulate Misbah's style because if they don't they'll be shown the door and in doing so they can't recover because that this not their natural style of play.

  • POSTED BY ashish2312 on | June 16, 2013, 9:23 GMT

    Gone are the days of zaheer abbas,mushtaq mohammad, miandad, rameez, saleem malik, Anwar, ijaz, inzy, yousuf, younis khan (when in his prime). With a rich inheritance of top notch, world class batting, it is quite disheartening to see the current pakistani team found wanting for a reasonable, consistent batsman. The current crop of batsman seem to be in a sort of frenzied hurry which coupled with their lack of true talent and technique has proved to be a major bane in the generally brutally competitive pakistan cricket team.

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2013, 9:20 GMT

    It is all about extremely poor captaincy coupled with grouping in team. Misbah does not inspire qualities for a leader and in fact is over coward. He has made the new and old players coward like him leaving the team totally depleted. It is time that he should be just considered as playing 11 member and nothing else. Rest Hafeez led grouping comprising Kamran akmal, shoib as prominent followers in the other reason of non performance and to led Pakistan down. We have already seen this group nearly finishing carrier of Abdul razzaq. A decade back Waseem Akram group did the same with waqr Younis. What a dismay and pity for this nation! Solution: change the captain, induct totally new blood, have a captain like Imran khan, have a daring coach and not a fat duck like whitmore, do away with raja rental akram bowling coach and finally say good bye to all the old players while retaining one or two max from old lot. (for sake of some experience).

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2013, 9:12 GMT

    Honestly I'm not all that disappointed that Pakistan lost because the match was a complete farce because of the rain. It felt like watching a film with adverts every 5 minutes which made it difficult to watch and I wonder how the Pakistani team felt being interrupted every so often by the rain.

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2013, 9:05 GMT

    Like most of the Pakistani fans, I am utterly disappointed but not surprised in any way. This was always on the cards. Even if we look at the India series, it was Jamshed and the bowlers who won it for us twice. Our middle order felt short in every game and has been failing since the last two years apart from the captain. Unlike most of the people here who are feeling hopeless, I find solace in the fact that we do have very good young cricketers in the pipeline and all they want is a consistent chance and the freedom to express themselves on the field. Ahmad Shahzad, Asad Shafiq, Umar Akmal and Umar Amin should be given consistent chance in place of Farhat, Malik, Kamran. Hammad Azam should also be brought back. That would make the core of this team with young blood, we would see more energy on the field and with the talent they have, I am hopeful we can lift our quality of game.

  • POSTED BY saptinyr88 on | June 16, 2013, 8:11 GMT

    Not sure about you guys but during the match, the body language of the Pak players was questionable. I still remember the Pak team of the early millennium. Even if they had to defend a small target the intensity and body language was immense. Waqar and Wasim gave any team chasing a mere 150 plenty to ponder. Yesterday, there was just no fighting spirit, it was as if the match was over after the Pak innings. I seriously think the coach and management need a lot of stuff to figure out. The cricketing world is depraved of a competent Pak team today.

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2013, 8:04 GMT

    @mike: they have been to semis of icc events more than any one else. just since 2007, they have been in semis in all 6 of them. you will find more in past. Writer's comments were pointing towards that.. @realrocknrolla: mate remember what happened after that "1 demolishing of SA bowlers".

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2013, 7:55 GMT

    Dav's coments shows it all. had they won from india this type of mentality will say oh see we are back online. and we can do it. what type of comment is this that we are only 1 win away . 1 match will not change much which is happening for past 1 year. under Dav.

    It will be same old story, instead of major changes, we will see 1 or 2 changes. or all blame on misbah. Likes of farhat, kamran, malik, will make it back in couple of month. And with likes of recent failures like younas and Afridi. thats not the way to go.

    They need some hard decisions now if they want to succeed. should give more games to Ahmed shehzad, fawad, haris, hammad azam, usman, m rizwan, even i would say azhar ali & umar akmal. Umar amin doesnt look like that much of talent they talk about. Asad also need some more work to do.

    BAtting keeper & medium pace batting allrounder required. Hafeez should play down at 6 or 5.

  • POSTED BY Pathiyal on | June 16, 2013, 7:54 GMT

    although the Indian team has performed well so far in the series, the series looks like entirely uncalled for. esp. with many teams under prepared plus the threat rains impose snatching away the continuity and the interest to watch matches.

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2013, 7:49 GMT

    thats the problem. no body is understanding or trying to identified them at top level. Cheif selector couple of days ago said that team selection was good and coaches are responsible. coach is not even admitting the problem. Batsman are doing same things again and again. in SA they could have hide behind conditions but English conditions/pitches were not that bad this time around.

    Some hard decisions required now. both on admin side and team side. What are coaches there for?

    i hope this time they dont do same old thing to bring more recent failures back and just 1 or 2 changes . already few talking to bring back younas and afridi who were also poor in last year are so.

    we may again see farhat, malik, kamran back in after 1-2 series.

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2013, 7:18 GMT

    First of all well played India they played like a team and they seem to have over come the jitters of pace and bounce.Pakistan has to take few bold steps if they want to find their winning ways. Pakistan is not India or any other nation. The selection has to be very impartial. Farhat is playing because of his father in law. Same is the case with akmals. Pakistan team can do well without akmals. Misbah must go. Bowling is good but they are learning. There are players in Pakistan. Irfan took 10 years to come into the radar of the selectors same is the case with khan. I think only Jamshed, Shafiq should stay rest should go.Ajmal, irfan, junaid, shafiq and jamshed should be the permanent members if they perform.They should look for wicket keeper batsman and good batsmen who can both consolidate and improvise when ever there is a need.

  • POSTED BY Dannymania on | June 16, 2013, 7:01 GMT

    Great Great type up.An absolutely sweet piece of pie this! I'm a pakistani,living in pakistan,supporting pakistani team and a good cricket lover who watches any sort of cricket played anywhere and enjoys it.I had no fun in this game because there was just no contest.The difference between the teams was so great that there was no contest at all at any instant of the game. The Pakistani management needs to figure out that its time Malik,Misbah,Kamran Akmal and Farhat go and retire.In my view,the future pakistani order should be like this.. Nasir Jamshed,Azhar Ali,Umar Akmal,Asad Shafiq,Fawad Alam/Umar Amin,M.Hafeez,Hammad Azam/Wahab Riaz,Sarfaraz Ahmad,Saeed Ajmal,Junaid khan,M.Irfan.. The order is important.I ordered them as if i want them to bat out the 50 overs. This team,that i mentioned,had raw talent atleast.In my view,Hafeez has to be the captain now,its time.Atleast this order provides more stability than the team that just played.This team WILL give us atleast 200 runs in 50 ov

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2013, 6:51 GMT

    well if the leader of the team is defensive how come one expect team to be aggressive.Look at imran khan he was an aggressive leader, attack was the best form of defense in his era. Look at Misbah strike rate ,he has a poor technique. For god sake let him go along with Hafeez, malik, farhat .

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2013, 6:08 GMT

    It is sad to see the Pakistani batting unit not clicking, in fact they miss there batting golden era of Inzy, Saeed Anwar, Ijaj Ahmad and so on. They have one of the best bowling unit in the world, They need some superb batsman so that they can be true world class team.

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2013, 6:07 GMT

    Dont understand why people are talking about U akmal, even if he would have been selected, he couldnt have scored more then 20 runs. You need to drop hafeez malik kamran farhat and bring new players and groom them under misbah. By the time 2015 we should have perfect team

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2013, 6:03 GMT

    Fall short ?? no never, they were no where near itself

  • POSTED BY NP_NY on | June 16, 2013, 5:58 GMT

    Dav Whatmore is missing the point. Yes this Pak did beat India in India 2-1 iin a bilateral. But that was a different Indian team with Gambhir, Sehwag, Yuvraj and Dinda who have since been dropped. Besides the Indian team were seeing Junaid and Irfan for the first time. India did the right thing, they looked for solutions after that series and seem to have found them. Dav on the other hand seems to be making silly excuses which are bad for Pak cricket and hence for world cricket too.

  • POSTED BY Siva_Bala75 on | June 16, 2013, 3:47 GMT

    IPL has created the haves and the have-nots. No, I am not talking about the money but the 'cricket soft skills'. Except for the 'bowling' department ina limited way, IPL has made captaincy, planning, batting and fielding better. IPL is not about teaching you the basics of cricket but more about how responsibilities are shared, field better, etc. Because you play 16 plus matches within 50 days, IPL has taught the players to go and express themselves without the fear of losing. Cricket has changed a lot and it is time Pakistan should be made part of the IPL to ensure fairness to these type of contests. I would not want to criticize the batsmen who have completely missed out that learning experience. Of course, the fans can endlessly argue about replacing 'abc' with 'xyz' and end up achieving only cosmetic changes and nothing significant.

  • POSTED BY sarangsrk on | June 16, 2013, 3:35 GMT

    Mr Dobell, I see that you are a big fan of Pakistani team which was evident when you declared before the tournament that Pak were favourites. You are obviously quite concerned about the state of the team. However, please note few things before you start comparing Pak team with Indian team. First, Pak team still plays 1970s brand of ODI cricket, replying heavily on bowling and batting to support, fielding is meant only for servants. Second, Pak never had genuinely world class, technically sound 3-4 batsmen in one team. There have been exceptions like Inzy, Anwar, Zaheer Abbas and to some extent, Miandad but never in the class of India/Australia/England. So, actually there is no improvement on that front in last 35 years. Third and most important, the bowling which used to be exceptionally brilliant is now only excellent. Junaid/Irfan/Wahab can't match Akhtar/Aaqib etc, leave Wasim/Waqar/Imran. Yes, this team did beat India but that was a lethargic Indian team (Sehwag/Gambhir etc).

  • POSTED BY screamingeagle on | June 16, 2013, 3:35 GMT

    This defeat, I hope, will be a good thing. Much like the iNdian team which was vilified after the test losses, and the resultant cleaning up, I hope the Pak authorities do something. If we in India can do it, why not Pak? World cricket needs a good Pak team.

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2013, 3:22 GMT

    Misbah ul Haq is the reason why pakistan lost world cup semi final and is now loosing impishly. This is not the Pakistan cricket team i know. I grew up watching saeed anwar, inzamam, ijaj bat aggressively: in the mould shown by imran khan. And firstly inzamam's captaincy and now misbah ul haq's captaincy motto is do not take singles, waste 30 overs of cricket and try to make up by hitting big shots: oops but people like imran farhat, shoaib malik, and kamran akmal are no virat kohli, dhoni, or suresh raina. It is pathetic seeing how downward pakistan batting has gone while the indian one has skyrocketed. Other than umar akmal, and naseer jamshed i haven't seen any genuine talent coming: asad shafiq, and umar amin are just average. This is hopeless, but first remove misbah so batsmen don't end up trying to do the impossible. This guys is not a captain, he has no strategy. I think pakistan plays better under hafeez, especially in t20. He should become the captain and bring afridi back.

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2013, 2:02 GMT

    Farhat and Malik should be dropped, Umar Akmal has been the best ODI batsmen for Pakistan in last 3-4 years dont know why he was dropped. Hafeez needs to realize he is a batting all rounder and needs to do his bit with the bat as well. This was a horrible team no doubt about that. Afridi and Razzaq have enough Juice in them left to make it to 2015 WC one of them should be in the team. Asad Shafiq and Azhar Ali have shown promise and should be given a longer run. People who say Azhar bats to slow should realize we were bowled out 3 times in as many games!!!

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2013, 1:57 GMT

    Very first thing Pakistan need to do is to change captain and selector. Misbah could be a reasonable batsman but as a captain he does not have any strategy according to the situation and he pressurize young batsmen rather giving them confidence, example is he destroyed career of Umar Akmal. We consider WC then Miabah, Farhat, Hafees, Malike must go and give condidence to likes of Sahfiq, Umar Akmal, Ahmad Shahzad, Haris Sohail, Umar Ameen; even they fail initialy rely on them for extended period of time. They are talented. If you still keep Misbah as captain, then there is no furure of Pakistan cricket and similar results will be expected in WC. Our 20 team is better only because it is without this strange captain

  • POSTED BY Johnny_129 on | June 16, 2013, 1:25 GMT

    Pakistan has always had talented players but rarely have they been a consistent side. Looking at history, the only time Pakistan had real consistency was during the Imran Khan/ Miandad era. Outside of that era Pakistan's cricket team has been highly inconsistent - they redeem themselves by playing well against India - even then winning around 50% only. If Pakistan had won their latest match then fans would have been satisfied - they would have rejoiced beating India even on their way out of this tournament. Therein lies Pakistan's problem! Pakistan should show the same focus against all rivals - not just against India.

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2013, 1:16 GMT

    Misbah while has good intentions, still has not been able to use the raw talent in Pakistan, bec he is trying to systemize something that cannot be planned or controlled. It is not his fault. He would be a perfect South African Captain.

    Why do Pakistani players come good early and never survive the international level for all sorts of reasons(spot fixing included)? It is because their growth stops as cricketers and people, as soon as they join the national team, they learn nothing after they are selected, in fact, they go backwards.

    Umar Akmal a prime example, was a better player when he made his debut, his basics were correct, thanks to A tours, and junior cricket. After one year of international cricket he became a slogger, and no one was around to fix it. Add to it arrogance and over confidence, and here we are he has no place in either of the three (Test, odi, T20) teams.

    This will continue to happen, so be ready to discover a new talent tommorow, and say goodbye to them soon.

  • POSTED BY IAS2009 on | June 16, 2013, 0:04 GMT

    when Misbah said in press conf. after SA loss, all was going well till Jamshed got out, here is the problem, Pakistan were 101 for 3 in 31 overs when Jamshed got out, no batsmen till then bothered to rotate strike, half of top order batting gone with 130+ to get in next 18 overs, it was SA second string attack (no Steyn or Morkel) on slow pitch and all is fine, are you kidding me, same with Whatmore today , all is fine, if these people think everything is fine, are all stats are wrong? these two should be the first to be booted out, because these are they guys who influence other 10 in the playing eleven.

  • POSTED BY on | June 15, 2013, 23:59 GMT

    This is the blueprint of a team that India should field in the 2015 WC. I am pretty confident that if we have a team like this there, we can have hopes of successfully defending our title. Of course, defending it in Australia is going to be a challenge, but these guys have shown that they can play well in England too. So why not Australia?

    I don't see the likes of Sehwag, Gambhir, Yuvraj, Zaheer, Bhajji playing for India in that 2015 WC. Yuvraj was MOT last WC, but he has become a very slow mover on the field now, even while running. The less said about Sehwag and Zaheer the better. Gambhir is the only guy with a better chance, but ideally I wouldn't want him coz he is an awful runner between wickets, and his fielding at times can be lethargic too. And Gambhir will be 33 by the time the next WC comes. Vijay should be groomed as the backup opener, and Rohit and Dhawan as the main openers. Kohli, Karthik, Raina and Dhoni in the middle. This team is set!

  • POSTED BY on | June 15, 2013, 23:29 GMT

    Indian outshined pakistan in every department! Jai Hind!

  • POSTED BY on | June 15, 2013, 22:58 GMT

    Today's match was the most irritating cricket match i ever watched. Weather interrupted the game serveral times and I can Engalnd is the worst country for cricket to play. India were impressive in all of their games in this tournment with some promissing yougsters in their squad. specially Shekhar, Jadeja and Kumar. Pakistan have alot of politics in their crikcet boardroom otherwise like India they have some talented players in Nasir Jamshid, Junaid Khan and Umar Akmal. the selection were so poor with having some unfit players in the squad. we can surely say today the match was between the worst team of the tournament vs best team of the tournament. I hope we do not see the weather decide the crucial matches ahead or it will become the boring tournament of this year from looking like an entertaining one so far.

  • POSTED BY Zahidsaltin on | June 15, 2013, 22:54 GMT

    Mr. Dobell, It must be a rarity that today many of us the pakistani fan are actually happy that Pakistan lost and that they didn't show a better batting performance as it may lead to the point where the selectors and the higher officials have no more excuses to go on with their favourit choices. In the past it has been the practice that a single fluuk victory could give excuses to cover up the things and go on with their nonperforming buddies. And Sir, its not because of the bad performances in CT only. Hafeez has been kept for 10 years with his average of 26 only because he can bowl, Shoaib Malik last scored a fifty in 2009, Imran Farhat has failed and failed but his father-in-Law keeps him in the team, Asad has not scored a century in 42 matches now and his average stays under 30. And Mr. Dobell just look at these players break up of the averages and you will find that they keep it in 20s by scoring against the poorest attacks and on subcontinental wickets only.

  • POSTED BY Mike_Oxlong on | June 15, 2013, 22:42 GMT

    Proud tradition? Pakistan has an awful record at major ODI tournaments. 1 tournament win since 1975. Only test playing nation to have never made the final of a Champions Trophy. Let's not talk about this failure in the context of a success that has never existed. Failure in these competitions is the norm for Pakistan, simple as that.

  • POSTED BY TheRealRockNRolla on | June 15, 2013, 22:14 GMT

    George sums it up for the "Misbah 11" and his sorry sidekick Dav Draconian selection policies and playing favorites has left Pakistan in bad stead and I am afraid their reception at home is going to be similar or worse Clearly Asad Shafiq was needed in the SA match if Pakistan were to have any chance of qualifying with a team that lacked batting.

    Absence of Shahid Afridi and Younis Khan is deplorable Ryan McLaren and Steyn-less SA attack blew away Pakistan,in contrast it was Afridi ~month ago demolishing McLaren and co. all over Jo'burg hitting a 158m six in a 48 ball 88 electrifying knock

    Misbah is jealous of Afridi, he got him out of the team- we know this What accomplishments are there for hafeez and malik as batting allrounders? Junaid disappointed Pakistan needs the following MUSThave players: 1. Shahid Afridi (batting/bowling allrounder) 2. Asad Sahfiq (batsman) 3. Anwar Ali (fast bowler; bowling allrounder)

    NO PLACE for Farhat, Malik in Pak team!! Misbah only as batsman

  • POSTED BY ThatsJustCricket on | June 15, 2013, 21:51 GMT

    This match may well be a blessing in disguise for Pak cricket. Had Pak managed to beat Ind, most the comical batting performance by Pak batters would have been easily swept under the carpet. It is high time to drop the dead weight and look towards the future. Blood youngsters in the side and give them a reasonable run. Never mind if they lose a few games in the short run, cant be any worse that this bunch of jokers. At least it will give a chance to the ones capable to emerge. Nasir looks a good prospect and Misbah needs to be there to guide the young guys. The rest should be up for grabs.

  • POSTED BY Tharoorisacrook on | June 15, 2013, 21:42 GMT

    George... Thanks! That last bit about Norman Tebbit... People like him have no place in a modern, cosmopolitan world. Oh but maybe I forgot the small pockets of Bible-Belt America. Alabama perhaps, where he'd be welcome amongst rednecks. Do you think he would want to move? Britain, like any other nation with multi-cultural and multi-ethnic population, must continue to be a melting pot, where your race, religion or cultural upbringing is far less important than your willingness to use your background to preach peace and freedom. Long live English, Pakistani, Indian or any other cricket team that is trying hard out there.

  • POSTED BY on | June 15, 2013, 21:40 GMT

    cricket is a game of confidence. pak batsmen are lacking confidence atm... hafeez is a good bat normally but he failed in this series.. where is younis khan and umar akmal ?..

  • POSTED BY on | June 15, 2013, 21:39 GMT

    It was a very disappointing performance. This is a team that beat India in India, almost beat South Africa in South Africa, and completely dominated their warm-up game with decent batting (yes, it actually happened).

    Pakistan's bowling is superb, they proved that in their first match against the West Indies where they almost rescued the team from a poor batting performance, however, they seriously need to look at their batsmen. I am a huge fan of Hafeez, he has fantastic technical skill but he has serious issues with consistency. Right now, Pakistan's only real batsmen are Misbah and Nasir. Misbah has greatly improved and become a much more responsible captain. As far as Amin, Shafiq, Farhat, and Malik are concerned, they need to seriously work hard or just be dropped. When they come to bat, one is more worried about them not getting out than anything else. There is no sense of reliability.

    If PAK can find the batsmen to back the bowlers, they will be an incredibly formidable side.

  • POSTED BY Vilander on | June 15, 2013, 21:34 GMT

    loads of diff between the side that pak scraped to beat in india and this current side in fielding,bowling and batting. Pak side has remained the same albeit a bit weakened in batting, Ind has grown massively in Fielding, bowling and even improved their batting a bit.

  • POSTED BY loki897 on | June 15, 2013, 21:27 GMT

    for 2015: 1) A Shezad 2)N Jamshed 3) M Hafeez 4) Misbah 5) U Akmal 6)A Razzaq 7) S Afridi ( if in good form)8)J Khan 9) M Ifran 10)S Ajmal 11) Rehman/ U Gul

  • POSTED BY on | June 15, 2013, 21:25 GMT

    Dav Whatmore should take responsibility and resign. He should accept that he and Trest Wodhill has played havoc with minds of Pakistan Batsmen. They seemed unsure of themselves. Trent Woodhill and Dav Wahtmore should be civilized and leave honorably and must not return to Pakistan.

  • POSTED BY Rubic on | June 15, 2013, 21:20 GMT

    Dave whatmore is right on saying "these things happen" and will continue to happen if PCB selectors, he, Misbah, Hafeez, Farhat, Malik and Kamran remain stick to Pak team...

  • POSTED BY on | June 15, 2013, 21:06 GMT

    Pakistan needs a hard and honest look in the mirror. The batting is so poor as to be humiliating. The objective must be to be able to compete in the 2015 WC in Aus/NZL with all teams. This will mean losing any dead weight that is lingering about. Farhat, Hafeez, Akmal must all go. They are proven failures. Better to select new guys - give them a chance to succeed, as it is clear this crop of batsmen wont ever make the cut.

    Keep Jamshed, he has shown promise. Keep Misbah as a steady hand to guide them. The other slots in the top 7 are up for grabs. Congrats to India, totally outplayed Pakistan today.

  • POSTED BY on | June 15, 2013, 21:06 GMT

    Pakistan needs a hard and honest look in the mirror. The batting is so poor as to be humiliating. The objective must be to be able to compete in the 2015 WC in Aus/NZL with all teams. This will mean losing any dead weight that is lingering about. Farhat, Hafeez, Akmal must all go. They are proven failures. Better to select new guys - give them a chance to succeed, as it is clear this crop of batsmen wont ever make the cut.

    Keep Jamshed, he has shown promise. Keep Misbah as a steady hand to guide them. The other slots in the top 7 are up for grabs. Congrats to India, totally outplayed Pakistan today.

  • POSTED BY Rubic on | June 15, 2013, 21:20 GMT

    Dave whatmore is right on saying "these things happen" and will continue to happen if PCB selectors, he, Misbah, Hafeez, Farhat, Malik and Kamran remain stick to Pak team...

  • POSTED BY on | June 15, 2013, 21:25 GMT

    Dav Whatmore should take responsibility and resign. He should accept that he and Trest Wodhill has played havoc with minds of Pakistan Batsmen. They seemed unsure of themselves. Trent Woodhill and Dav Wahtmore should be civilized and leave honorably and must not return to Pakistan.

  • POSTED BY loki897 on | June 15, 2013, 21:27 GMT

    for 2015: 1) A Shezad 2)N Jamshed 3) M Hafeez 4) Misbah 5) U Akmal 6)A Razzaq 7) S Afridi ( if in good form)8)J Khan 9) M Ifran 10)S Ajmal 11) Rehman/ U Gul

  • POSTED BY Vilander on | June 15, 2013, 21:34 GMT

    loads of diff between the side that pak scraped to beat in india and this current side in fielding,bowling and batting. Pak side has remained the same albeit a bit weakened in batting, Ind has grown massively in Fielding, bowling and even improved their batting a bit.

  • POSTED BY on | June 15, 2013, 21:39 GMT

    It was a very disappointing performance. This is a team that beat India in India, almost beat South Africa in South Africa, and completely dominated their warm-up game with decent batting (yes, it actually happened).

    Pakistan's bowling is superb, they proved that in their first match against the West Indies where they almost rescued the team from a poor batting performance, however, they seriously need to look at their batsmen. I am a huge fan of Hafeez, he has fantastic technical skill but he has serious issues with consistency. Right now, Pakistan's only real batsmen are Misbah and Nasir. Misbah has greatly improved and become a much more responsible captain. As far as Amin, Shafiq, Farhat, and Malik are concerned, they need to seriously work hard or just be dropped. When they come to bat, one is more worried about them not getting out than anything else. There is no sense of reliability.

    If PAK can find the batsmen to back the bowlers, they will be an incredibly formidable side.

  • POSTED BY on | June 15, 2013, 21:40 GMT

    cricket is a game of confidence. pak batsmen are lacking confidence atm... hafeez is a good bat normally but he failed in this series.. where is younis khan and umar akmal ?..

  • POSTED BY Tharoorisacrook on | June 15, 2013, 21:42 GMT

    George... Thanks! That last bit about Norman Tebbit... People like him have no place in a modern, cosmopolitan world. Oh but maybe I forgot the small pockets of Bible-Belt America. Alabama perhaps, where he'd be welcome amongst rednecks. Do you think he would want to move? Britain, like any other nation with multi-cultural and multi-ethnic population, must continue to be a melting pot, where your race, religion or cultural upbringing is far less important than your willingness to use your background to preach peace and freedom. Long live English, Pakistani, Indian or any other cricket team that is trying hard out there.

  • POSTED BY ThatsJustCricket on | June 15, 2013, 21:51 GMT

    This match may well be a blessing in disguise for Pak cricket. Had Pak managed to beat Ind, most the comical batting performance by Pak batters would have been easily swept under the carpet. It is high time to drop the dead weight and look towards the future. Blood youngsters in the side and give them a reasonable run. Never mind if they lose a few games in the short run, cant be any worse that this bunch of jokers. At least it will give a chance to the ones capable to emerge. Nasir looks a good prospect and Misbah needs to be there to guide the young guys. The rest should be up for grabs.

  • POSTED BY TheRealRockNRolla on | June 15, 2013, 22:14 GMT

    George sums it up for the "Misbah 11" and his sorry sidekick Dav Draconian selection policies and playing favorites has left Pakistan in bad stead and I am afraid their reception at home is going to be similar or worse Clearly Asad Shafiq was needed in the SA match if Pakistan were to have any chance of qualifying with a team that lacked batting.

    Absence of Shahid Afridi and Younis Khan is deplorable Ryan McLaren and Steyn-less SA attack blew away Pakistan,in contrast it was Afridi ~month ago demolishing McLaren and co. all over Jo'burg hitting a 158m six in a 48 ball 88 electrifying knock

    Misbah is jealous of Afridi, he got him out of the team- we know this What accomplishments are there for hafeez and malik as batting allrounders? Junaid disappointed Pakistan needs the following MUSThave players: 1. Shahid Afridi (batting/bowling allrounder) 2. Asad Sahfiq (batsman) 3. Anwar Ali (fast bowler; bowling allrounder)

    NO PLACE for Farhat, Malik in Pak team!! Misbah only as batsman