India news September 1, 2013

Uncertainty over India's South Africa tour schedule

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The status and make-up of India's tour of South Africa, scheduled to begin in late November, has been put in doubt after it was left out of a list of upcoming series announced by the BCCI on Sunday. BCCI president N Srinivasan said the series is "definitely on", though, and ESPNcricinfo understands the BCCI is on the verge of giving Cricket South Africa a pruned itinerary.

Srinivasan, speaking after the board's working commitee in Kolkata, told PTI: "I've not said that the South Africa series will be scrapped. It's definitely on. We have [merely] proposed a West Indies series in November. There were neither any discussions on the South Africa series, nor did any members raise any questions on it."

Despite the supposed lack of discussion on the subject at the meeting, it is understood that negotiations between the BCCI and CSA have been on for quite a while, and the BCCI is on the verge of giving the South African board a revised schedule cutting down what was originally scheduled to be a three-Test, seven-ODI and two-Twenty20 tour to two Tests, three ODIs and two T20s. The BCCI had already objected to the itinerary released in July, saying Cricket South Africa had announced the schedule without the Indian board's consent.

"Our priority is to look after the interests of our players and the board," a BCCI official said. "And such a long tour wasn't viable from either perspective. We need to space out tours so that cricketers get much-needed breaks between them."

A CSA official told ESPNcricinfo that the board had not been contacted by the BCCI on the schedule yet, and it would not respond till it receives "a formal proposal".

If CSA goes with the reduced series, the next bone of contention would be the Boxing Day Test. CSA had reintroduced the traditional Test while announcing the itinerary for India's tour in July. However, the BCCI may demand that the Tests be played before limited-overs' games, thus taking a Boxing Day Test out of equation.

The BCCI has had issues with CSA over the past year. The Indian board had "raised concerns" when it was known that Haroon Lorgat was in the running to take over as CSA chief; the BCCI and Lorgat are thought to have clashed over several issues, including the Future Tours Programme, the DRS and an ICC independent governance review, during the Lorgat's tenure as ICC chief executive officer.

CSA officials had travelled to India in February to meet with the BCCI to discuss their objections to Lorgat, and, after his appointment, Lorgat had said improving relations with the BCCI was a priority. "If I need to sit across a table, to go to India, whatever it takes to smooth things over... I have to put CSA first," Lorgat had said. "When the issues come out, if it means I have offended someone and I need to apologise, I will."

There is also a feeling in South Africa that the BCCI has been trying to isolate the board through the Champions League Twenty20. The BCCI owns a 50% stake in the tournament, the boards of Australia and South Africa share the rest equally. It is learnt that CSA was not consulted before the fixtures were announced for the 2013 tournament, which starts in India later this month, and South African staff due to attend it are now inclined to stay away.

Amol Karhadkar is a correspondent at ESPNcricinfo

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  • Donsshaddow on September 2, 2013, 6:17 GMT

    Test Cricket should be given the most importance and not limited over cricket. We have already had our share of ODI's and T20's. What fans need is more Test cricket between the best cricketers in the world. As it stands now, India and South Africa are among the best teams in the world. It would be a great contest between bat and ball and the BCCI should focus on promoting more Tests in favour of limited over cricket. This article doesn't mention anything about Sachin, so other's should refrain from bringing Tendulkar into the discussion

  • on September 2, 2013, 4:11 GMT

    The Cricket fraternity has been looking forward to the India's tour of SA.. If it is curtailed the game of Cricket will be the sole loser.. The BCCI needs put aside its differences with CSA and Haroon Lorgat and make sure its a full tour. There has to be 3 Test, 5 ODI's...

  • sysubrceq0 on September 7, 2013, 22:40 GMT

    Its so sad, everyone bringing Tendulkar in the conversation. Article nowhere mentioned SRT name but still fans dragged him on their personal vendetta. July 9th 2013 BCCI objected the schedule stating 7 odi's is too much and gap between test 2 & 3 is just 2 days. Then Mr. Lorgat appointed as CSA chief and said he will go for extra mile to talk with BCCI. Neither he reached BCCI nor tried. BCCI waited for long time. So BCCI made their own arrangements with other countries to make some revenue while there is no home series played after Aus series early this year. Probably next year also difficult to arrange a series because of elections and IPL and NZ tour. So they went ahead with WI. CSA is so stubborn to meet with BCCI to work out the schedule instead they took BCCI for granted. CSA did bring this upon themselves. Instead of knowing facts everyone is after BCCI whatever the fact is. BCCI bashing is a fashion.

  • Jda123 on September 5, 2013, 11:02 GMT

    The only match I want to see with SA and India is test cricket.

    3 test matches

  • Harmony111 on September 4, 2013, 12:48 GMT

    @Greatest_Game:

    In July, BCCI was facing heat over the IPL Spot Fixing issue & Srini was under tremendous pressure to save himself, his team & his son-in-law at that time. It is likely that just before that, BCCI & CSA had been discussing the schedule but then BCCI got distracted by the spot fixing issue. Either someone in CSA does not know what exactly consent, opinion, input & negotiation mean or someone in CSA thought that since BCCI is under pressure at the moment so let's get a schedule that is fav to us by having 7 ODIs & 2 T20s + a BD test match. Someone hoped BCCI would be naive enough to say yes to it.

    The lack of leadership can't be the blamed cos usually such negotiations are done at a lower level, the leaders come in only at the final moment. Btw, Jagmohan Dalmiya is a veteran of WC87 & 96, someone thought he won't be able to manage a single tour?

    However, I really hope this was just comm gap and nothing too deep. I hope the tour has at least 3 tests + 3 ODIs & 1 T20.

  • Goodfellow on September 3, 2013, 19:25 GMT

    Cut to the chase. Nothing wrong with 2 Tests because Test cricket is on its death bed. Fans around the world want to see more limited overs cricket because it is exciting and there is a winner and loser decided in a day. Test cricket is the only sport that requires several days for a decision and in many instances there is no winner or loser but a draw. No excitement and a waste of everybody's time.

  • king_julien on September 3, 2013, 18:17 GMT

    I find it funny when people say that India doesn't want to tour South Africa for the fear of losing 3-0. Yeah....its the same reason why they are playing 5 tests at a place they lost 4-0 the last time around and not playing 5 at a place where they came close to winning 2-1 (were it not for Boucher's heroics in the second innings). South Africa has never ever managed to whitewash India.

    Understand the situation here, there are more forces at play. If test cricket worked on the fear logic, no test matches will ever be played. I am also frustrated at these developments like other fans. The last series left every fan wanting more. 2 tests is just peanuts.

    But yes maybe SA follows this 2 series logic that's why they have played only one 3 match series in subcontinent in last 15 years whereas all the subcontinent teams play 3 match series there :)

  • Greatest_Game on September 3, 2013, 17:09 GMT

    @ SandipManjrekar. Please read my comments of the problems in the CSA over the last few years. CSA has been leaderless & completely dysfunctional. Their schedule announcement, without final agreement from the BCCI, was clearly wrong. However, they HAD been in discussions with the BCCI, & did not change the number of matches that had for years been listed in the Future Tours Programme. This was not a decision from nowhere. BCCI's secretary Sanjay Patel said on July 9, "We have written to CSA mentioning that while we have been discussing the tour itinerary, nothing had been agreed upon…" (cricinfo: Amol Karhadkar, July 9, 2013)

    To presume that CSA's schedule announcement was due to arrogance or disrespect is to vastly overestimate the institutional efficiency & decision-making powers of anyone at CSA. A plain and simple mistake at a struggling organization is a far likelier reason.

    India & SA have been friends for years. Sometimes friends make mistakes. Please consider that.

  • on September 3, 2013, 16:47 GMT

    India have to play all the matches in South Africa as It was scheduled earlier, If they won't then It will really matters as per the relations between the two boards is concern, It is really great to watch them both playing in South Africa.

  • Greatest_Game on September 3, 2013, 14:31 GMT

    @ Harmony111. The schedule was announced July 8, BEFORE Lorgat's appointment on July 20. CSA has been troubled for years, & recently established a new constitution & an all new, & much bigger board. Before Lorgat's appointment, Srinivasan had stepped aside from the BCCI leadership. Two boards, each without a mandated leader or well defined chain of command.

    BCCI's secretary Sanjay Patel said on July 9, ""We have written to CSA mentioning that while WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING THE TOUR INTINERARY, nothing had been agreed upon…" (cricinfo: Amol Karhadkar, July 9, 2013)

    The newly structured CSA Board was still deciding on a Chief Executive, & was truly without a leadership structure. With a rotating staff, is it not possible someone thought that the discussions Patel mentions were confirmation of the itinerary? In all honesty, do you think is more probable that the unsettled CSA's announcement was a deliberately arrogant, & unilateral decision, or an unwitting, ill-informed mistake?

  • Donsshaddow on September 2, 2013, 6:17 GMT

    Test Cricket should be given the most importance and not limited over cricket. We have already had our share of ODI's and T20's. What fans need is more Test cricket between the best cricketers in the world. As it stands now, India and South Africa are among the best teams in the world. It would be a great contest between bat and ball and the BCCI should focus on promoting more Tests in favour of limited over cricket. This article doesn't mention anything about Sachin, so other's should refrain from bringing Tendulkar into the discussion

  • on September 2, 2013, 4:11 GMT

    The Cricket fraternity has been looking forward to the India's tour of SA.. If it is curtailed the game of Cricket will be the sole loser.. The BCCI needs put aside its differences with CSA and Haroon Lorgat and make sure its a full tour. There has to be 3 Test, 5 ODI's...

  • sysubrceq0 on September 7, 2013, 22:40 GMT

    Its so sad, everyone bringing Tendulkar in the conversation. Article nowhere mentioned SRT name but still fans dragged him on their personal vendetta. July 9th 2013 BCCI objected the schedule stating 7 odi's is too much and gap between test 2 & 3 is just 2 days. Then Mr. Lorgat appointed as CSA chief and said he will go for extra mile to talk with BCCI. Neither he reached BCCI nor tried. BCCI waited for long time. So BCCI made their own arrangements with other countries to make some revenue while there is no home series played after Aus series early this year. Probably next year also difficult to arrange a series because of elections and IPL and NZ tour. So they went ahead with WI. CSA is so stubborn to meet with BCCI to work out the schedule instead they took BCCI for granted. CSA did bring this upon themselves. Instead of knowing facts everyone is after BCCI whatever the fact is. BCCI bashing is a fashion.

  • Jda123 on September 5, 2013, 11:02 GMT

    The only match I want to see with SA and India is test cricket.

    3 test matches

  • Harmony111 on September 4, 2013, 12:48 GMT

    @Greatest_Game:

    In July, BCCI was facing heat over the IPL Spot Fixing issue & Srini was under tremendous pressure to save himself, his team & his son-in-law at that time. It is likely that just before that, BCCI & CSA had been discussing the schedule but then BCCI got distracted by the spot fixing issue. Either someone in CSA does not know what exactly consent, opinion, input & negotiation mean or someone in CSA thought that since BCCI is under pressure at the moment so let's get a schedule that is fav to us by having 7 ODIs & 2 T20s + a BD test match. Someone hoped BCCI would be naive enough to say yes to it.

    The lack of leadership can't be the blamed cos usually such negotiations are done at a lower level, the leaders come in only at the final moment. Btw, Jagmohan Dalmiya is a veteran of WC87 & 96, someone thought he won't be able to manage a single tour?

    However, I really hope this was just comm gap and nothing too deep. I hope the tour has at least 3 tests + 3 ODIs & 1 T20.

  • Goodfellow on September 3, 2013, 19:25 GMT

    Cut to the chase. Nothing wrong with 2 Tests because Test cricket is on its death bed. Fans around the world want to see more limited overs cricket because it is exciting and there is a winner and loser decided in a day. Test cricket is the only sport that requires several days for a decision and in many instances there is no winner or loser but a draw. No excitement and a waste of everybody's time.

  • king_julien on September 3, 2013, 18:17 GMT

    I find it funny when people say that India doesn't want to tour South Africa for the fear of losing 3-0. Yeah....its the same reason why they are playing 5 tests at a place they lost 4-0 the last time around and not playing 5 at a place where they came close to winning 2-1 (were it not for Boucher's heroics in the second innings). South Africa has never ever managed to whitewash India.

    Understand the situation here, there are more forces at play. If test cricket worked on the fear logic, no test matches will ever be played. I am also frustrated at these developments like other fans. The last series left every fan wanting more. 2 tests is just peanuts.

    But yes maybe SA follows this 2 series logic that's why they have played only one 3 match series in subcontinent in last 15 years whereas all the subcontinent teams play 3 match series there :)

  • Greatest_Game on September 3, 2013, 17:09 GMT

    @ SandipManjrekar. Please read my comments of the problems in the CSA over the last few years. CSA has been leaderless & completely dysfunctional. Their schedule announcement, without final agreement from the BCCI, was clearly wrong. However, they HAD been in discussions with the BCCI, & did not change the number of matches that had for years been listed in the Future Tours Programme. This was not a decision from nowhere. BCCI's secretary Sanjay Patel said on July 9, "We have written to CSA mentioning that while we have been discussing the tour itinerary, nothing had been agreed upon…" (cricinfo: Amol Karhadkar, July 9, 2013)

    To presume that CSA's schedule announcement was due to arrogance or disrespect is to vastly overestimate the institutional efficiency & decision-making powers of anyone at CSA. A plain and simple mistake at a struggling organization is a far likelier reason.

    India & SA have been friends for years. Sometimes friends make mistakes. Please consider that.

  • on September 3, 2013, 16:47 GMT

    India have to play all the matches in South Africa as It was scheduled earlier, If they won't then It will really matters as per the relations between the two boards is concern, It is really great to watch them both playing in South Africa.

  • Greatest_Game on September 3, 2013, 14:31 GMT

    @ Harmony111. The schedule was announced July 8, BEFORE Lorgat's appointment on July 20. CSA has been troubled for years, & recently established a new constitution & an all new, & much bigger board. Before Lorgat's appointment, Srinivasan had stepped aside from the BCCI leadership. Two boards, each without a mandated leader or well defined chain of command.

    BCCI's secretary Sanjay Patel said on July 9, ""We have written to CSA mentioning that while WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING THE TOUR INTINERARY, nothing had been agreed upon…" (cricinfo: Amol Karhadkar, July 9, 2013)

    The newly structured CSA Board was still deciding on a Chief Executive, & was truly without a leadership structure. With a rotating staff, is it not possible someone thought that the discussions Patel mentions were confirmation of the itinerary? In all honesty, do you think is more probable that the unsettled CSA's announcement was a deliberately arrogant, & unilateral decision, or an unwitting, ill-informed mistake?

  • on September 3, 2013, 12:15 GMT

    In any other game, no member body could afford to be as arrogant as a certain one often tends to be in cricket; this scenario is reducing this game to a joke. CSA would already have made BCCI realize how awkward for themselves their decision could prove to be, if they had some self-respect.

  • fguy on September 3, 2013, 11:00 GMT

    ...& 6) for those commenting that it coz they're afraid that India will lose abroad; why then would they agree to a FIVE match test series against Eng which they dont even play at home

    for all the criticism that BCCI cops look at all the good they've done since the 0-8 & 1-2 vs eng losses 1) pressured seniors to retire (dravid, laxman) or dropped them (gambhir, sehwag). they even pressured SRT to retire from ODIs 2) arranged regular series for the U-19, U-23 & "A" sides which gives them exposure 3) development of probably the best bunch of upcoming youngsters in the world (now this is not entirely because of them, but at least they dont get in the way like other Indian sporting bodies). if we keep on this path then i see India being the best side in the world in ALL formats in max 4-5 years & being like the dominating Aussies of '00s

  • fguy on September 3, 2013, 10:41 GMT

    loving the fact that finally an Indian establishment is using its power. also all these people disparaging a great player without knowing the facts dont have a clue. obviously he didnt ask for this. it was bcci's way of killing more than 1 bird with 1 stone -- 1) why should they give up a cricket highlight (1st player to play 200 tests) to any other country. why give up that privilege? 2) this way they allow SRT's fans to participate in that event 3) also, srinivisan in an interview last year had mentioned that he would like India to have a regular home season in Oct/Nov ie around diwali & have the equivalent of the boxing day test every year. 4) if it wasnt for the WI series then India's home season would be just the 7 ODI's against Aus. why should the premier cricketing nation have such few matches at home & give up their revenue to other boards besides not giving their home fans enough home matches to watch in stadiums 5) get back at CSA..

  • Harmony111 on September 3, 2013, 10:21 GMT

    Lorgat was appointed as CAS chief in July. The CSA announced the tour schedule in July too. I don't know which happened first but what is a fact is that immediately after his appointment, Mr. Lorgat said on July 22 that improving relations with BCCI was his top priority. He had said he was willing to go the extra mile for that purpose.

    Now, IF the schedule was announced by CSA after Lorgat's appointment then it means nothing much was really done by Mr. Lorgat, he did not even bother to take BCCI's opinion about the schedule.

    EVEN IF the schedule had already been announced by CSA before Lorgat's appointment then what exactly has Mr Lorgat been doing since he took over Aug 1? BCCI had expressed its concerns as soon as CSA announced that schedule on its own, what did Mr Lorgat do?

    Where is that extra mile walk he talked about in July? Empty words only & no solid action.

    A simple question: IF BCCI is such a good friend of CSA then why did CSA not seek their opinion for the schedule?

  • Harmony111 on September 3, 2013, 7:33 GMT

    To show their support for CSA, India went from Australia to SA to play just one single solitary T20 match in 2012 which anyways was washed out. India were the first place that SA toured after their re-induction & I guess India again were the first team to go to SA after that re-induction. It was a great thing that SA hosted IPL2 and helped BCCI but in purely financial terms it benefited CSA too. Still, hosting of IPL2 at a very short notice was a great show of friendship between India and SA.

    The core problem here is not that of Haroon Lorgat's appointment. The core problem here is why did CSA unilaterally announce tour schedule without talking to BCCI? FTP is not cast in stone and if something is there in FTP it doesn't mean it will necessarily be adhered to. Adjustments are always needed, venues change, days or matches are added or reduced, practice matches are swapped around. How could CSA assume that BCCI had no inputs to give regarding the schedule?

  • on September 3, 2013, 5:57 GMT

    So the two BEST teams in the world play a 2-test series.....and #3 and #4 get a 5-test series. Something wrong with that picture. Why would India rather play a test series against West Indies (which will be one-sided) than play a competitive series against the world test champions? Maybe there is a need to improve averages and morale before heading for the fast tracks in SA. 2-test series are a waste of investors' money.

  • SandipManjrekar on September 3, 2013, 3:16 GMT

    @AltafPatel

    ".......invite Bang, Zim after WI to let Sachin increase average near 60 !"

    Sachin Tendulkar is the highest run getter in SA against SA till date now by any foreign players in last 60 years. WR Hammond (Eng) is highest run getter in SA against Proteas and that too in 1927-1939. Think 100 times before commenting any rash about Sachin.

  • SandipManjrekar on September 3, 2013, 3:16 GMT

    BCCI protested over CSA's unilateral announcement of IND's SA Tour itinerary without any consultation. CSA was happy to speak with media rather than with BCCI; the most warranted in that situation. BCCI waited for 2 months. Within last 48 hours BCCI had cleared its strategies with announcement of WI, NZL & ENG Future Tour Programme. As a host, CSA must be in line with BCCI in view of this tour. CSA messed up the whole issue & fully responsible whatever happening. Speaking about diplomacy in the media did the worst for CSA. No way can BCCI be blamed. Professional setup can't run as what CSA did. It's about Protocol. Fans who are taking on BCCI need to understand this. Any way what about SA who plays 2 test match series in any sub-continent country since last so many years? Why is BCCI being blamed here by fans all over the world when it asks for the same as CSA doing with every country in away series? CSA had never played more than 3 Test matches in an away series since so many years.

  • mensan on September 3, 2013, 2:25 GMT

    I can see 2 reasons. First India wants to save 3-0 whitewash against South Africa; 2-0 is not the same thing as 3-0. Second, India wants to save Tendulkar from the embarrassment of failing in his last series and 200th test match on fast/bouncy South African tracks.

  • Testcricfan on September 2, 2013, 22:20 GMT

    No armchair "expert" in this forum is looking into the realities of the cricket business before trying to shred BCCI for its supposed "arrogance". The cricket season of Aus & Eng, for eg. are set in stone - June- Mid Sept for Eng and Nov-Feb for Aus and they never compromise on their schedule. BCCI is similarly trying to protect its revenue and interests by scheduling series which will ensure constant supply of money for its development programs. Per the FTP, after ODI Series against AUS, there is no home fixture for India till the WC - That is a very long period to go without home matches. India is now just trying to make sure it has at least 2 home series every year between Oct-Nov and Feb-Late March and then the flagship IPL. I see nothing wrong with BCCI trying to protect cricket in India - that is the responsibility they have been entrusted with. Reg. the SA Tour, I think BCCI has given a 45 day window to CSA with which they can schedule 3 each of tests, ODIs and T20Is easily.

  • on September 2, 2013, 22:01 GMT

    I think this is a retaliation from the BCCI to CSA on choosing Haroon Lorgrat as their chief.

  • Imran-Akram on September 2, 2013, 19:01 GMT

    Totally Agree with @kristee and partly with @ Lachy T Smash. India is afraid of playing away against top class team, having outstanding bowling attack. they know that it will expose their batting particularly S Tendulkar....It is just an excuse that they are playing too much cricket... they are destroying a full and planned series and preferring to play against weaker teams... they know that this series will extent their overseas losing to 12 ..... the "Revenge" and "Superiority" factors are also playing their roles..

  • on September 2, 2013, 18:18 GMT

    South Africa tour must definitely be on and must surely have 3 Tests although 4 would have been ideal when we are playing the best Test team in the world. The ODIs can be reduced from 7 to 5 and T20s from 2 to 1. The Tests against West Indies in home conditions may have only a bit more standard than the Ranji Trophy final and would not be enough preparation for the Tests in South Africa. So the Tests in South Africa should be scheduled after the ODIs and the players who are only playing Tests such as Sachin, Vijay, Rahane, Pujara, etc. can be sent early and given the chance to acclimatize to the conditions.

  • Jaguar_xyz on September 2, 2013, 18:08 GMT

    Who in the right frame of mind go for a 7 ODIs these days? Are we liivng in the 90's ?? 3 Test, 3 ODIs and 2 T20s are the best option.. 2 Test matches will be nothing but stupidity..

  • akhileshhrai on September 2, 2013, 18:06 GMT

    It is ridiculous. Folks who run BCCI need to realize that they are running the sport on behalf of the country and not to take care of their egos. Its unfortunate that both NZ series and SA series are getting pruned to accommodate Asia cup and India-West Indies series. If BCCI is so much concerned about rest period for its players, it needs to shorten the IPL and scrap champions league and not bully to reduce the matches for India - SA or India-NZ series. They say Test Matches are important and keep on reducing Test Matches. 2 test series and 1 T20 for any series doesn't make any sense. In my opinion any series should have minimum of 3 Test matches and 3 ODIs. I really wish if WI could refuse the offer (which I know is not going to happen). There is a need for Indian cricket to be isolated at the international scene for BCCI bosses to relaize that we cannot run the game commercially in isolation. A full series with SA is what fans have long been waiting for.

  • Greatest_Game on September 2, 2013, 17:32 GMT

    The BCCI's "differences" with Haroon Lorgat stem from his term as ICC Chief Executive: as the administrator of decisions by the ICC & IDI Boards of Directors. (In reality, of the ICC Chief Executives Committee.) Lorgat was offered, but refused, another 2 years, clearly unhappy with his obligations & their consequences!

    The BCCI's opposition to ONE man should not affect the close & strong relationship between India & SA? Lorgat & Srinivasan will move on, but Cricket will LIVE on. So too will bad relationships if allowed to grow & fester.

    When the Indian Government opposed IPL 2, & refused the BCCI paramilitary security, SA hosted the tournament, & SA fans gave it complete support. 'Other Boards' were not pleased with SA!

    IPL 2 benefitted SA, but at political cost. Had it failed, the BCCI would have lost hundreds of millions, & the IPL might never have recovered. At a critical juncture, SA stepped up as India's friend & supporter. Is this how friendship & support should be returned?

  • malepas on September 2, 2013, 17:26 GMT

    Run INDIA Run,,,away from playing number 1 test team and safe on the knowledge that they will get hammered.

  • Greatest_Game on September 2, 2013, 17:17 GMT

    India's tour of SA has been been in the Future Tours Programme as 3 tests, 7 ODIs and 2 T20s. No mystery there.

    CSAhas been dysfunctional since Gerald Majola was suspended. Temporary leaders, court decisions, government mandates, change of constitution, board changes, a new board - it has been chaos.

    At present, Srinivasan's decision to temporarily relinquish his leadership caused some confusion within the BCCI.( NB. Srini's was voluntary, Majola's was not: the REASONS are NOT the same: I imply NO similarity - just the lack of clear leadership

    SA announced a SCHEDULE, not the no. of matches. Somebody at CSA probably thought the BCCI had agreed. BCCI objections were announced by Secretary Sanjay Patel, but then (from cricinfo) "Jagmohan Dalmiya, who has been in charge of the BCCI's day-to-day affairs ... confirmed that the BCCI had raised "concerns" with CSA."

    With no mandated leader in charge, in both countries, confusion is easy. Don't presume SA made a calculated decision.

  • on September 2, 2013, 17:10 GMT

    undesired confusion in the rescheduling of sa tour utter confusion in the fixtures to be played as well as duration of sa tour.csa/bcci should sort out all disputed/unsolved issues at once and streamlinethe tour itiernary.the wi/india and newzeeland/india planned series have created confusion.

  • sportzkid on September 2, 2013, 16:27 GMT

    JP - (Our priority is to look after the interests of our players and the board," a BCCI official said. "And such a long tour wasn't viable from either perspective. We need to space out tours so that cricketers get much-needed breaks between them.") - then why squeeze the WI tour in? - it was not part of the FTP and the players could have rested!!! - maybe pride is at stake in these decisions (or arrogance) One can understand wanting SRT to reach 200 games at home - then simply say so, dont hind behind a bunch of feeble excuses.

  • on September 2, 2013, 15:40 GMT

    I think the decision to invite west indies was the correct decision.. The fact BCCI is worried is that we dont have a home series for almost 12 months after the australia One day series,, our next home series is in october 2014.. after one year.. If England can have home season every year from May to September with at least 2 countries visiting for full series and Australia can have home series from November to March every year,, then Its high time BCCI acts,, India should have home season every year ideally from October to December and February March,, What happened last year was apt.. Nov Dec England Series, Then Feb March 2013 Australia Series,, every year we should have home season like this... If other countries can have it, then whats wrong with India Having it..

  • on September 2, 2013, 14:55 GMT

    I dont understand the point of playing 5 or 7 ODIs. Its insane considering the 50 over format is the least preferred among the 3. Scrap the ODIs down to 3 and we can squeeze in 3 tests and two T20s. I have said it before that even a tri series with a single round of matches is better than a lame 7 match Odi series which I dont think anyone wants. Why cant ICC get that in their thick heads. An ideal tour these days should involve 3 tests, 3 odi and 3 T20 matches. Or a test series followed by a tri series. The tour should start with the test series n end with limited overs series. Thats how it used to be a decade ago until the birth of T20.

  • Sir_Ivor on September 2, 2013, 14:42 GMT

    The BCCI is probably wanting to show how strong they are.That their decisions coincide with Srinivasan having been at the meeting in Kolkotta recently tells me a lot.It is not dis-similar to their arrogant stand in regard to the DRS It is most reprehensibe because in this open arrogance the charm of a legend's likely retirement has been badly sullied.It is sickening that people who have no clue about this game are writing things about the situation as if Tendulkar has stage managed this West Indian interlude in November.It could well be because Lorgat has become the CEO of CSA and India wants to show that they have a long memory. With most of the South African team members presently playing in the IPL this becomes truly unfortunate.I thought SA and Indian cricket were supportive of each other.As for suggestions that this has been done to make it easier for Tendulkar, let me just say that Sachin has scored over 1700 runs with seven 100s against S Africa. Why deny him a place in the sun?

  • SAFan11 on September 2, 2013, 14:30 GMT

    What ever the real story is here what does seem to be true is that the BCCI are the only national board that use match scheduling to exert pressure in the boardroom. They are the only ones that have to power to do this because Indian matches fetch the most lucrative broadcasting rights. Other boards have to play ball or loose money. The only way to counter this is for other nations to get fed up and act as a cartel to block this sort of behaviour. Unfortunately the BCCI are good at playing one off against the other and I don't see this happening soon.

  • on September 2, 2013, 14:30 GMT

    A great shame hopefully they don't prune it to much? So if The two test are being played for Sachin to play his 200th test would he still be touring SA? hopeuflly he does think India will need him

  • CricketFanIndUS on September 2, 2013, 14:22 GMT

    How did CSA determine the tour schedule without discussing with BCCI? Would they have done this with ECB? BCCI is correct in getting miffed at not being consulted. Also Lorgat had to have done something to draw the ire of BCCI and I do not see our board going after any of the other boards. BCCI of course should have been more suave about getting the schedule issue resolved. Also I do not see anything wrong in making sure Tendulkar plays his 200th in India for obvious reasons (one is revenue) and we will be helping WIs in the process. Nothing wrong with that. I am with BCCI on this issue, although they should have handled the situation and the communications aspect of it better.

    Also, the Indian fans, the players and the board all value test cricket. Any gross generalizations contrary to that, made by the media or the so called experts or some fans posting here are just that.

    To salvage the SA tour now, I personally like to see 2 tour matches + 3 Tests + 1 ODI.

  • kristee on September 2, 2013, 14:15 GMT

    Well, Ponting would have been fired even if he came good against SL. Perhaps he knew that. So what? (In waiting was a personal record for him, had he played one more test.) Actually there itself lies the difference. His country is less bothered by individual records. The way his replacements fared, his selection would not have been too unwise either if the focus was more on short term prospects. Australia would be reigning cricket world once again, while some other teams would be climbing down to 0-8 or like, within no time after they get flattered by technicalities.

  • on September 2, 2013, 12:43 GMT

    India are reneging on the South Africa tour because they are afraid of playing the best team in the world and the possibility of losing the series - and for no good reason. They are through their period of transition from the incumbents (Dravid, Ganguly, Laxman, Sehwag etc) and even though Tendulkar's retirement is imminent, the new lineup of young players are more than ample replacement. Pujara, Dhawan, Sharma, Kohli, Jadeja and also some quality bowlers (Ashwin, Kumar, Yadav). They have the potential to be the next dominant side, and for a long time too! It is beyond belief why they would cut short a tour that could be the beginning of their reign at the top.

  • ladycricfan on September 2, 2013, 12:23 GMT

    Rescheduled India's tour of SA is not announced yet. Original schedule has too many rest days in between matches. If they reduce the rest days, minimum 3 Tests, 5 ODIs and a T20I is still possible.

  • DeckChairand6pack on September 2, 2013, 12:23 GMT

    The last Test series between these 2 teams was a great battle with some great cricket. I am hopeful good sense will prevail and we will see as much Test cricket as possible in the forthcoming series. India has been a great friend towards SA cricket over the years - they were the first nation to welcome us post isolation - and I'm sure all Proteas fans would welcome the Indian team in SA for as long as they want to stay.

  • Harmony111 on September 2, 2013, 12:16 GMT

    The last time Sachin faced Steyn & Morkel in SA, he scored two fabulous 100s. Not only this, when he faced them again in the WC2011, he scored yet another awesome 100. Given this record, it should be Steyn & Co who should be worried about how to control SRT if he does go to that tour.

    Ppl should read well before they post comments here if they want to be taken seriously. BCCI has not actually said they don't want to play 3 tests. They have asked CSA to adjust the scheduling dates of ODIs & Tests. This indirectly has an effect on the Boxing Day test that CSA is keen to have. The timing of the tour can't be changed so you can't have an ODI & a test both on Dec 26th, can you? Moreover, the itinerary was announced by CSA without consulting BCCI. The FTP is not cast in stone and fine tuning is always needed before finalizing the dates.

    If BCCI wants SRT's 200th Test to be held in India, isn't that GREAT? Some ppl & some Ind fans with a complex see a design everywhere.

  • AltafPatel on September 2, 2013, 11:15 GMT

    Why players didnt demand rest before 5 ODI series against baby Zimbabwe ? They were also tired of IPL, Champions trophy, WI tri-series at that time, still they toured to improve record. They know how SA bundled every team, touring SA, under 50 in last couple of years. This Indian team is not upto test level against SA and even not sure of 7 ODIs against them, though they managed to win only ODI against them in Champions trophy, winning 7 match series is never easy deal, particularly when Kallis, Smith, Steyn back to the squad. They should invite Bang, Zim after WI to let Sachin increase average near 60 !

  • SandipManjrekar on September 2, 2013, 11:14 GMT

    It's almost 2 months over when BCCI protested over CSA unilateral announcement of IND's SA Tour itinerary without any consultation. CSA further happy to speak with media rather BCCI which is most warranted in bilateral series. BCCI waited for 2 months. Within 48 hours BCCI cleared its strategies with announcement of WI, NZL & ENG Future Tour Programme. As a host, CSA must be in line with BCCI considering all aspects in view of this tour. CSA messed up the whole issue & fully responsible for this outcome. What Lorgat did is speaking about diplomacy in the media and behaving exactly opposite to that by not to communicate with BCCI even after its protestation. If CSA opting for cancellation, who will be there? BCCI targeted WI & NZL who were the only option. No way BCCI to be blamed. Professional setup can't run as CSA did. It's about Protocol. Fans who are taking BCCI need to understand this.

  • on September 2, 2013, 11:03 GMT

    Lets face it! Every cricket fan wants to see RSA & India in a test series, but the BCCI wants to elevate India's test ranking, so they want to play non-entities in test cricket like West Indies etc.

  • on September 2, 2013, 10:52 GMT

    Ask for Bangladesh and see if he can better his 248 also...

  • Sachin_The_Greatest on September 2, 2013, 10:40 GMT

    only one question ?

    Why should always it's the BCCI the one who has to put aside their differences, be it Haroon , DRS, T20's

    each & every cricket expert (like chappel, Holding, boycott etc.) went after BCCI for introducing IPL & BCCI killing cricket .

    Now what i see that each & every cricket board copying IPL & the same experts are all praise for thier on version of IPL.

    Two sides of coins isn't it ?

  • Alistair0610 on September 2, 2013, 10:20 GMT

    I'm totally fed up with the BCCI. They are ruining international cricket. CSA should just cancel the tour.

  • naren1983 on September 2, 2013, 10:08 GMT

    BCCI considers its showing disrespect to Lorgat, but BCCI losing its credit on its own way. CSA didn't consult BCCI before announcing the itinerary, now its BCCI chance not to consult him and forcing CSA to come to BCCI to talk. Its pure Ego clash between them that who will come down. Thats why BCCI has arranged WI & NZ tour, now they except SA to come down and speak.

  • Sultan2007 on September 2, 2013, 9:58 GMT

    A 2 Test series is a ridiculour idea. Also, this is the last exposure on quick tracks against real good bowlers that India will have before the 5 match series against England. That is what India should be builiding towards. Blooding their youngsters and giving them the confidence. With due respect to the Windies, a November series with them, does more for their development than for India's.

  • on September 2, 2013, 9:40 GMT

    There's no point of a 2 test match series.. If BCCI is interested in that, I would like CSA to reject it and instead invite any other country for a 3 test series.

  • vish57 on September 2, 2013, 9:37 GMT

    It is but anticipated; BCCI is striking 2 things in one shot. A. Tendulkar's 200th test at Mumbai and his formal retirement B.Taking on the ego clash between BCCI Chief and CSA Chief , thus BCCI trying to demonstrate their supremacy. Ideally the tour such as India-SA should have 3 tests , 3 ODI and 3 T20 games which means 21 playing days and equal number of rest days so that the tour can be over in 45 days. 5 Test matches against England in 2014 is drab and too much, even the recenty concluded Ashes or Border gavaskar Trophy became dull due to one sided matches and meaningless test matches & dead rubber.

  • JoieDeVivre on September 2, 2013, 9:26 GMT

    It will be a sad moment if Test Matches are reduced to 2 from 3. Playing 7 ODI's is a bit of overkill to be honest. In fact the tour should be only 3 Test Matches. As far as I'm concerned playing 2 Test Matches absolutely doesn't make any sense, India will play, at least in theory so far, 2 Test Matches each against WI, SAF & NZ. This is in the view of a genuine cricket lover a bit of joke where Test Matches are being compromised. I write this as an Indian fan that the indifferent attitude of BCCI stinks to say the least. I recollect when India last toured NZ they requested the NZ board to increase the Test matches to 3 from 2. While I'm happy for WI to visit India, ideally it should have been 3 Tests with WI, 3 with SAF and 3 with NZ & if there is scope try and squeeze may be 3 ODIs at best. But just 2 each with these opponents is setting a bad example. I hope common sense prevails sooner than later or am I expecting too much from BCCI?

  • TheCricketeer on September 2, 2013, 9:19 GMT

    @Karl Jenaway - Lets hope you are right. CSA should absolutely put their foot down and if BCCI want to cancel do that rather than lie down to their demands.

    It's time BCCI realised that they are not everything in cricket.

  • calcu on September 2, 2013, 9:19 GMT

    @samdanh "Increase overseas tests with kenya"!! Clearly shows that you dont follow cricket. Anyway, Even I am against BCCI for cancelling/reducing the big tour of SA(which has been awaited for over an year) and replacing it with a boring WI series just for the sake of 1 man.

  • on September 2, 2013, 9:14 GMT

    i cant understand why people cry over the dying nature of test...it is inevitable that test would die one day eventually...gone are the days when cricket used to be played by only kings and lords very leisurely.. now cricket is a competitive sport,and to xpand its horizon you have to support the limited versions...

    and to all the people who cry out loud that test cricket is real cricket..well newzflash 90% of them are hypocrite...i bet 83% of them wouldnt have even watched a full test ball by ball throughout 5 day completely....

  • TheCricketeer on September 2, 2013, 9:14 GMT

    It used to be one of my bucket list items to watch test cricket in India. The arrogance of the BCCI has made me so anti Indian cricket that I couldn't even be bothered to watch them in my own country anymore - never mind travel thousands of kilometers to do so. CSA should tell them where to get off. Fill the Xmas and new year period with an extended local T20 competition instead. Might be better entertainment anyway since India will get rolled here.

  • on September 2, 2013, 9:11 GMT

    Fear drives the BCCI!! they know that a hiding awaits them in SA so they now look for excuses not to tour, thus allowing their ''world class'' batsmen to flourish in home conditions! Nothing but flat track bullies

  • on September 2, 2013, 9:10 GMT

    Will CSA agree for a short tour? Does BCCI believe CSA does not have a choice? Just like BCCI bought over WI, CSA can invite Zim or Pak for a tour who will be more than happy to field a team to play the Boxing day test.

  • on September 2, 2013, 9:02 GMT

    As an Indian fan it is frustrating to see the BCCI behave like a dictator with no value for its players, other boards or the game itself. The cycle of power is well .. Cyclic. When the tables turn, it will be left with zero friends and a world of enemies. Why can't politicians step out and let cricketers or professional CEOs run BCCI ?

  • roook on September 2, 2013, 8:57 GMT

    There should be no comprise in test cricket its the real cricket no fun without it

  • TommytuckerSaffa on September 2, 2013, 8:40 GMT

    Unreal actions from BCCI again. They want to shorten the SA tour so that they can squeeze in a couple of Test Matches against the West Indies (weak opposition) so that their beloved Sachin can get to 200 test matches. BCCI looking to cash in and make money on Sachins landmark at the expense of cricket itself.

    Happy for tour to be cut. 7 ODIs is ridiculous but to reduce the Tests from 3 to 2 is just criminal for us cricket lovers.

  • wrenx on September 2, 2013, 8:40 GMT

    I would be surprised if this tour goes ahead - India have become a little too comfortable only playing cricket at home, which is hardly surprising given how shockingly bad they've been away. I think they'd rather protect this team instead of making them venture forth against the top side in away conditions. I'd say it's a 50-50 chance that they scrap this tour, in favour of their first away assignment in about 2 years being in New Zealand. Let#s hope the Kiwis prove that they're not a gentle alternative to a side too timid to play in SA

  • Samdanh on September 2, 2013, 8:32 GMT

    Clearly indicates India's level of courage in playing Tests out of India against SA, for now. Who knows they may even want to reduce overseas Tests Vs Aus, England, and increase overseas Tests with Zimbabwe, Kenya etc. Way to go India. Great courage displayed

  • on September 2, 2013, 8:02 GMT

    I am on bcci side this time. csa made error in judgement when they appointed haroon lorgat as head knowing fully well it wont go well with bcci.i wont be surprised if they cancel sa tour altogether and boycott sa for near future. last time they did this to pakistan and we can all see pcb is in bankruptcy now with no cricket with neighbours.i personally want 7 tests vs sa but wont be losing sleep if tour is cancelled.either way to reqch at top of rankings india qill have to beat england away and then pulverise sa in home tests after that . come on sachin score century in 200 test

  • chotteguru on September 2, 2013, 7:59 GMT

    Once again the game of cricket suffers because of politics. The Indian is shying away from playing a good long series with the best Test team, SA, in their home turf- and opting for WI. Who is playing chicken here - the Board or the players? Were the players consulted? I wish the BCCI board were made up of people who have played cricket at the highest levels and love the game, instead of executives who love money.

  • on September 2, 2013, 7:57 GMT

    I like BCCI decision. there is no need to have a meaning less 7 ODI. 3 or 4 tests plus 2 T20s is good enough for Indian tour of SA. Now it is in SA table to scarp the ODIs and give more importance to Tests.

    To make quick bugs T20s are there, but it is greedy to have 7 ODIs, i.e. 21 days of tour i.e. time enough to have 3 tests. BCCI did a good job by providing atleast 2 tests. Well done BCCI.

  • LahorePak on September 2, 2013, 7:55 GMT

    With all the objections to BCCI, I would realy like to see 2 great teams playiing 5 test matches, it be more than fun.

  • indi_flat_track_bully on September 2, 2013, 7:38 GMT

    If IND plays 3 Tests in SA, it will be 0-11. If they play 2 it will be 0-11. There is absolutely no way Ind would be able to even draw a match against SA, let alone win one.

  • 100_rabh on September 2, 2013, 7:37 GMT

    As an Indian supporter, i am happy that our series of overseas losses will stop at 10 tests vs. earlier expected 11. Why to send the team at all. Let the BCCI call Bangladesh for an eleven match ODI series. Why cant other international boards unite in vetoing BCCI's unilateral decisions. As a cricket fan, i can do without Indian team playing any international cricket for couple of years!

  • SandipManjrekar on September 2, 2013, 7:36 GMT

    A protocol is a set of communicating rules. Sending an offer by one, accepting the request by other & acknowledging the confirmation by both is the IDEAL way of communication. That's how it happens everywhere but not seen here. It is the unprecedented step taken by CSA by announcing the itinerary in the media by not conforming to BCCI. It is not BCCI who decides how many ODIs or Tests should be as CSA is a host for the bilateral series. Many postures here not even know the basics who are bashing BCCI for no reason. Yet BCCI is not serious about TEST cricket. Every board except ENG (who had good revenue from County) is focussing more ODIs & T20s for revenue. CSA had done same thing as they proposed 7 ODIs. At the same time it affects home time table for BCCI. More partnership in CLT20 is the other confrontation issue among both boards apart from home revenue. What is the solution of conflict of home season revenue for both?

    CSA, cut down ODIs for Tests. BCCI, respond it positively.

  • latecut_04 on September 2, 2013, 7:28 GMT

    Memo To SA Cricket Board: Reject BCCI's proposal involving anything less than 3 test matches and set an example for the rest of cricketing world.BCCI should understand that without other cricket playing nations there would be no ICC and no BCCI and for heaven's sake NO IPL.And this is from India-please publish.this is the real voice of Indian cricket fans.we were really waiting to see how good Kohli/Dhawan/Rohit/Umesh/Bhuvi were against the No:1 test side and NOT for sachin's '200th'(sigh!)test match.if we could win 1 test match in SA we could have believed we have found the nucleus for the next decade test team and BCCI is hell bent on marketing Sachin's 200th test match and generating revenue(as if IPL riches were not enough!!)..please publish

  • latecut_04 on September 2, 2013, 7:20 GMT

    My Goodness!!I really had to pinch myself to make sure this is for real.What on earth is happening here.We wanted our next generation players to be tested on SA soil and one would think BCCI's thoughts and action would have THAT as priority.Especially considering IndA drew the series against SA'A 'last week(many players in 'A' side are expected to feature for India).Instead BCCI is hell bent on arranging '200th' test match for Sachin about which none and i repeat NONE cares outside India.A player who is in woeful form and has been instrumental in India's current 0-8 record in overseas tests is 'given'(?)2 tests to create another bogus record.BCCI are you for real?.What you are going to do is market this 2 test 'series' against WI as 200th/last series of sachin and ensure maximum revenue from TV rights.that is what you want and you are least concerned if India get trounced in SA(imagine any bowler getting injured against WI.)Dravid_Gravitas wher are you..please publish...

  • venkatesh018 on September 2, 2013, 7:06 GMT

    India are out to destroy the marquee Test matches of all countries. Now it is South Africa and the Boxing Day Test. Next it can be Australia. They want to decimate Test matches the same way they destroyed ICL. I hope CSA calls the BCCI's bluff and invites another nation(maybe Pakistan) for a 3 match 3 Odi and 3 t20 tour.

  • GlobalCricketLover on September 2, 2013, 7:03 GMT

    if cricketers were to be given breaks why was a WI tour inserted in between? There is no limit to what BCCI can say I guess...They just want to encash sachin's 200th test come what may.. all these are lame excuses.. who is BCCI kidding? May be they are also making it easy for sachin to score some runs against weak WI bowling (in comparison to steyn/morkel/philander)...

  • on September 2, 2013, 7:02 GMT

    I don't understand the point of having 2 test series .There is very little possibility of teams coming back when they are a test down . If BCCI plans to prune down the series then it is better not to have any ODI's and T20's and just play the tests alone . I get the feeling that India are wary of playing SA at home especially in the test format as they are almost unbeatable at home and India are on a 8 match away losing streak but this is sad for the game that test matches aren't being given the priority they should be given .

  • SandipManjrekar on September 2, 2013, 6:53 GMT

    For those ENGLISH fans who are talking about SRT's stats for last 2 years; Look at stats of COOK after making so much hype of passing SRT's stats by KP & others in this summer.

    Played 10 innings of 5 Tests & made 277 runs @27.7 with 3 x 50's / H.S.62 in this summer. It drops his career average from 49.17 to 47.85

    Still I believe both are great ambassadors of the game. One has never speak a rash word on & off the field anywhere in the world where as other was involved in most unfamiliar controversy (oval pitch celebrations) recently on the field in history of cricket. Every player has highs & lows in the career. Those who are bashing SRT to save embarrassment in SA Tour, he made first 200 in ODI against same opponent (Steyn- Morkel) in 2010. He made 2 hundreds in 3 Tests when IND tour SA in 2011 & 3-match series was drawn at 1-1. There is no doubt that Steyn & Morkel were devastating in that period than now. Do you still believe IND will get thrashing?

  • xtrafalgarx on September 2, 2013, 6:45 GMT

    Man, why not just play 4 test or something....

  • on September 2, 2013, 6:44 GMT

    Since the itinerary has already been for finalized there is no point sulking over it. Best would be to play three or four tests with 2 T20s and play ODIs later on. Just to sick to tests this summer in SA.

  • Sandman5five on September 2, 2013, 6:28 GMT

    Two tests? Don't even bother going!

  • King-Cobra on September 2, 2013, 6:06 GMT

    "Our priority is to look after the interests of our players and the board" - C'mon you jerks, look at the interests of fans without their support you are nothing - try to understand this first. It has been planned for over a year and everyone is looking forward to this series. So better go on with it.

  • cnksnk on September 2, 2013, 5:29 GMT

    BCCI official says that the Board is concerned over the amount of cricket and also the rest and gap in between. Very touching and thought provoking. The Indian cricket team is going to play non stop for the next 18 months. And in between we have this ill conceived series with WI. Seems to me that this one way of telling the SAFA cricket board --- SO THERE. Actually if WI had refused to travel then the only other team which would have come is SL. ( India has to travel to all other countries). If that was the option then WI is certainly a better option. I am an Indian and have always thought that BCCI has got some of its decision making right. However this move of introducing a new series and cutting down SA tour ( if at all) is purely childish. I hope the SAFA cricket Board rejects the Indian tour if it is any thing less than 3 test with atleast one starting on 26 th Dec.. Some where some one has to draw the line.

  • on September 2, 2013, 5:25 GMT

    @cricindia208 wasn't the test series drawn 1-1 the last time India toured SA?

  • on September 2, 2013, 5:14 GMT

    A truncated tour to SA suits India. We cannot expose our mollycoddled batsmen to Steyn and party for such a long period. They will then get mentally traumatized and start failing on Indian pitches too. That is what happened last year our batsmen were so traumatized by the tours to Eng and Aus that they returned and went on to lose to even Eng in India. BCCI must protect its batsmen from such tough tours. Also we need Tendulkar to do well on his last test. He stands a better chance within India on a flat belter at Eden Gardens.

  • Marktc on September 2, 2013, 5:12 GMT

    When powerful teams clash it should be a 5 game test series, as standard. Reducing it to two is a joke. Then, the powers wonder why test cricket is losing support..because of nonsense like this. Not even ardent fans want a short two test series as it looks like a desperate attempt to fit the tests in a schedule packed with the shorter version. The cricket boards need to show the public that tests are series stuff before simply expecting them to buy into it. Hype them up, make them 5 tests...make them count.

  • CricIndia208 on September 2, 2013, 5:00 GMT

    pakistani or sri lankan fans have no right to comment on India cricketing matters. pakistan and srilankan teams are rubbish, so focus on your crap teams guys. India thrashed SA the last time we played there, so we will not have anyproblems playing there.

  • Srini_Indian on September 2, 2013, 4:48 GMT

    @Shan156: Interesting, that comes from a certain country fan who doesn't field 11 English players ever in their history of a game. It is really embarrassing when English fans who hopelessly depend on recruits to win criticize other fans.

  • on September 2, 2013, 4:44 GMT

    Even if they plan to prune the itinerary, I just hope that they would scrap the T20, reduce the ODis but atleast play 3-4 Tests.

  • SandipManjrekar on September 2, 2013, 4:31 GMT

    His entry came in IND cricket when one batting legend was retired & another bowling legend is on the verge of retirement. IND was struggling at that time. It's about 24 years now & we had seen same passionate, same enthusiasm & hunger for the game of cricket. No controversy, No scandal, No abusive language. Not a single dis-respectable scene had seen by any one from the true cricket lover whose name is Sachin Tendulkar. Have any one heard any disgraceful comments ever from him? Yet I am seeing here the hoards of shameful comments from all over world and some Indians too. Yet we can't stand on the field for 24 minutes; he gave 24 non-stop fascinating years to the world cricket. It's the ugly fight between two cricket boards over financial control mainly initiated by CSA on SA tour itinerary by taking BCCI granted. BCCI has responded same way by including WI tour. Media is the mediator here between them. And I am witnessing the bashing of SRT on this forum. Is this really warranted?

  • Nandu_Athadu on September 2, 2013, 4:21 GMT

    Please dont blame SACHIN for cutting short on SA tour. It is very sad to see comments stating that he is selfish to play 200 on home soil and afraid to face SA bowlers.It is the BCCI decision to cut short the SA tour not SACHIN's. As a SACHIN follower all along my life,I bet SACHIN would not agree to BCCIs decison of cutting short or even lifting up the tour for the sake of his 200 test to be conducted at his home ground.WE sitting at our homes & offices can only post our views but cannot guarantee the real news around this issue.I would love to see SACHIN thrashing SA bowlers in SA on his 200 test, over SACHIN playing against weak bowling in India on his home ground. Please guys dont blame SACHIN and his legacy and love for Cricket. He is the best in the cricket and will not play for records. Dont ask him to get down for sake of Juniors. I agree that he has to retire. But this transition should happen gradually and I am convinced that BCCI/Dhoni is planning this phase quite correctly.

  • on September 2, 2013, 4:16 GMT

    It does not make any sense to reduce the SA series. The team is tested only when they clash with the best and it would also do Sachin a lot of good, if he went out with a bang against a team like SA rather than WI. Just because the BCCI does not like Haroon Lorgat as SA chief is not reason to reduce the series. Other cricket boards dont have a problem with N Srinivasan being BCCI chief, they why should BCCI have a problem. If this continues, team will start boycotting matches in India, they may lost money in the short run, but in a few years time, India will be like pakistan, only domestic but no international matches.

  • PRGiri on September 2, 2013, 4:14 GMT

    This has nothing to do with Tendulkar and his 200th test ..... Its all about the election of Haroon Lorgat ..... dirty back room politics ...... but was expected the moment Lorgat got elected ..... against what most here think , BCCI cares adamn about its players, the game or India winning/losing ..... Its all about not being in sync with the administrators ...read Haroon Lorgat

  • sray23 on September 2, 2013, 4:10 GMT

    The BCCI is so concerned about "much needed rest" for players that it is adding a meaningless home series against WI and keeping the 7 meaningless ODIs against Aus, while playing around with a mouth-watering test series. What a joke. Sachin's 200th test would have been much more special against Steyn, Morkel and the best bowlers in the world rather than a vanilla series against WI. I hope it turns into a dud and fans stay away - because this is a complete farce. But it might not be the board. India's cricketers may be scared of facing SA at home so have asked the board to cut the tour short.

  • Nandu_Athadu on September 2, 2013, 4:10 GMT

    As a ardent Cricket fan,It is very sad to hear that the much hyped SA-Ind clash is on doubt.But lets keep our fingers crossed as official confirmation has not been made and the schedule is under revision.I would love to see more of TESTS to be played than ODIs as we get to see the clash of SACHIN -> Styne, Philander, Morkel & Co, DHONI Capataincy -> SA Batting n Bowling talents, our Young brigade (Kohli, Pujara, Rohit (I believe he is well suited to TESTs ), Dhawan, Rahane) vs World Class bowling on a classy pitches. Please BCCI. dont shorten TESTs instead cut short ODIs. We dont need prove our worth in ODI any more as we are World Champions and current best ODI team.We need prove our worth in TESTS,on foreign soils, which we dont have impressive records. And please dont invite WI as it would not pull any crowd becoz we can expect what would be the result will be.I dont mean WI as not a best team but on current form, India can easily out class WI on spin friendly indian pitches.peace

  • on September 2, 2013, 3:55 GMT

    Power or many is nor everything neither permanent. Yes, as of now BCCI have both. Its only Indian cricket which is in lost not the SA. SA is the number one team in the world. So, its India on the lossing side.

  • on September 2, 2013, 3:49 GMT

    It is very short sighted and idiotic to reduce the test series to two tests. Who are we playing? some minnow country? It would take India a good part of the first test and a half to get to perform at their peak level. If we have a two test series, it would be well and truly lost, by then. Why cant we not have ODIs at all? And what is this "proposed" series with West Indies? As a professional sports body, BCCI should look to keep its prior commitment with CSA than plucking out a new series out of thin air. If this is just to intimidate CSA, it would harm the interest of Indian cricket in the long term... Feeling hurt and concerned as an Indian fan

  • on September 2, 2013, 3:24 GMT

    I hope sachin get hundred in that 200th test and India lose the test.

  • on September 2, 2013, 3:23 GMT

    Fool indian cricket board. Day by day Indian sport going to so nasty and I feel so sick to see it. SA is no 1 team in the world and INDIA have to play at least 4 test against them to proof their strength. But here comes the question of money and power.Now a days cricket is loss his beauty. Even in sport channel what we see?In every sport channel like Star Cicket,ESPN,Star Sport we see the glory of INDIA.Why? Isnt there other team?Even in premier league they show their bad and sick attitude. Why there are two kind of commentary?Is it look good? Now I leave those cause of those nasty show.

  • LillianThomson on September 2, 2013, 3:23 GMT

    What a sad little story.

    Tendulkar was an all-time great: one of the 50 best cricketers ever, and arguably one of the top ten batsmen. Only Bradman, Sobers, Pollock, the two Richards, Headley and Weekes were clearly better batsmen, and Tendulkar's average is still 18th highest of all time.

    But he has left his retirement far too late, and it has finally dawned upon the BCCI that Steyn and Philander are going to make him look like an old man in South Africa.

    So the BCCI is willing to poison its relationship with the world's top cricket country in order to give Tendulkar a farewell on dead wickets at home.

  • kris_mg on September 2, 2013, 3:20 GMT

    Lets see this objectively, whatever be the underlying political or money making reasons, this change proposed by the BCCI does have a positive step (decreasing the ODI's from a mind numbing 7 to a more reasonable 3) negated by a step backwards (cutting the number of Tests from an already insufficient 3 to 2, which is just too less). Considering that the negotiations have been going on behind the scenes, this could well be a bargaining tactic from BCCI to put pressure on CSA. Lets see how they responds, will they lobby hard for the lost 4 ODI's or the lost Test match, since this will show where their loyalties lie. I hope we go back to at least 3 Tests. I would have wanted 4 Tests personally but no use wishing for the impossible. The 2 T20s are kind of like a footnote, we can't wish it away either, anyway they don't add much to the duration of the tour and they are fun too.

  • Ian_SA on September 2, 2013, 2:58 GMT

    This is either appalling management or childish brinkmanship on the part of the BCCI. Cricket needs great series between talented, high-ranked teams. The series between SA and India fits the bill. I certainly agree that the number of ODIs should be cut. In fact, get rid of them completely and give us 5 test matches. This is how cricket should be played at the top. The WI tour? A late edition getting in the way of the SA tour already on the schedule. Sachin's 200th test in India? No player is bigger than the game, great through he is. This kind on stage managing for one player is unprecedented. Either the BCCI are not thinking this through properly or - and I suspect this is the main reason - they want to flex their muscles and "punish" SA for their stance with Lorgat. How childish. They don't have to like Lorgat (who by the way was entitled to his opinions), but cannot interfere in the internal works of SA cricket and should deal with these issues in a professional manner.

  • Edassery on September 2, 2013, 2:42 GMT

    Great! Cancel a long awaited meaning tour for what reasons? Just because BCCI doesn't like Haroon Logart? Or is it due to them wanting Sachin to score a century against a test minnow at home and retire? Or is it to stress on the money and decision making power further? Whatever be the reason, the cricket fans are the ones who will miss out on a great tour.

  • anupkeni on September 2, 2013, 2:33 GMT

    Instead of arranging a home series against West Indies, the BCCI could have organised a home-and-away series against South Africa like it did in 1996-97.

  • on September 2, 2013, 2:17 GMT

    Terrible to stand a country's claims as to its cricketing legacies, when its context so uniquely allows, if not calls, for this kind of joke. The very context in which I'm offered to watch Zimbabwe cricket, which is hardly cricket, or some WWE, at the same time when I'm denied some terrific cricket that is happening elsewhere (my service providers cut my subscription to star cricket as soon as IBL, or some Europen soccer, started!).

  • on September 2, 2013, 2:09 GMT

    INDIA is afraid of losing test serieis by a convincing margin in S.A................. thats why they are trying to shorten the tour to curtail the embarrassment

  • Chetan007 on September 2, 2013, 1:52 GMT

    India should play atleast 4 tests, 5 ODIs and 3 T20Is. Many players are new in the team and playing test matches against them will be great learning experience to them. 7 ODIs gets too long, though it will help more youngster to push for their permanent selection in team for 50 overs WC. 3 T20I should be played keeping in mind that the WC is very near and India don't have many opportunities to play against a good team till then. IPL and International matches are very different. 3 matches will give some player to push for their selection in WC.

  • orangtan on September 2, 2013, 1:31 GMT

    This is skullduggery on the part of BCCI. If Sachin still has what it takes let him perform in SA, help India to a series win and retire in what would definitely be a blaze of glory. Instead, BCCI is inviting one of the weaker Test teams to hype the 200th test for Sachin. There is no guarantee that he will do well, and even if he does, it will count for nothing-- yet another win at home on spinning tracks.

    Will the man himself speak up and retire right now, the nation will thank him profusely for 24 years of magnificent batsmanship and wish him a very happy retirement.

  • on September 2, 2013, 1:24 GMT

    Pretty shoddy from BCCI. Ridiculous to prevent Indian fans from seeing a proper series against SA.

  • on September 2, 2013, 1:22 GMT

    Why can't they have 3 tests, 3 ODis and 3 T20s during all bilateral series!

  • binojpeter on September 2, 2013, 1:15 GMT

    Those who think that Sachin has any role in it do not know anything about the politics going on between the two boards. SA has not toured India since India last toured SA in 2011 with 3 tests and 5 ODIs. Even the time before that, when they toured India in 2010, they played only 2 Tests and 3 ODIs in India. BCCI can earn money only if more matches take place in India. Now they have scheduled 3 Tests and 7 ODIs. If more matches take place in SA, CSA gets the edge. BCCI thinks CSA has more advantage here than them. Player fatigues are only an excuse. Money is the issue.

  • RaadQ on September 2, 2013, 1:11 GMT

    Disappointed that India is aiming to reduce the test matches. Just a few months ago Pakistan scrapped their West Indies test matches. It is obvious that the subcontinental teams do not like test matches anymore...

  • Happy_hamster on September 2, 2013, 1:09 GMT

    No doubt the tests in SA will be sacrificed as India are looking at getting an almighty hammering, sooner play a couple of tests against weak opposition at home. Stinks of BCCI meddling with fixture lists to ensure India minimize difficult away tests, watch and see NZ tests disappear and maybe some of the England series next year.

  • siddhartha87 on September 2, 2013, 1:08 GMT

    SRT has scored 1145 runs @ 31.45 in pats 2 years. Does he even deserve a spot in the playing XI?

  • Akshay_mehta1 on September 2, 2013, 0:58 GMT

    BCCI tactics are simple they don't want Indian team to go through same fate like England and Australia hammering, that's why BCCI wants Sachin to play at home (fair enough) and play only 2 test (not fair enough at all) in South Africa, If I remember correctly CSA was the reason that caused BCCI to accept that DRS will be part of any series which will be played between countries who like DRS in current format, So this is the way of BCCI showing who is the boss and if u annoy BCCI u can lose a lot, I mean a lot of revenue … think about it if BCCI cut 3 test 7 ODI series to 2 test and 3 ODI's … Woooo than TV sponsors which I believe already paid contract money to telecast Indian series will do to CSA ..!! it's not cricket any more mate it's a game of chess

  • Alexk400 on September 2, 2013, 0:42 GMT

    I seriously think SA should scrap 2 TEST series and pull off all their IPL players. Complete ban of BCCI is required to straighten them

  • Shan156 on September 2, 2013, 0:39 GMT

    Without a doubt, Indian fans are not only the most passionate cricket fans in the world but also the most loyal. Take a look at Sachin's record after the SA series in 2010-2011. 21 tests, 37 innings, 1145 runs at 31.80 per innings with 0 100s and 8 50s. 13 of those 21 tests were at home and he averages just under 30 in those. If he were playing for any other team, he would surely have been dropped.

  • Sir_Ivor on September 2, 2013, 0:11 GMT

    The BCCI's unilateralism has never been as obvious as this in the past. We will never know why it was decided to get West Indies for a short series in November.But whatever it be,the Calypso chaps are always a great team to have. I will not for a minute imagine that Sachin has had any hand in this decision. But I also feel that it may have been more sensible getting South Africa for the home series. But talking about unilateralism, I wish the BCCI would do this more in the context of itineraries while visiting other countries. I remember the farcical ones that were made out by the ECB and the ACB for India's tours to England and Australia in 2011. Yes the disastrous year. I am surprised that not much was said about it then. But the fact of the matter is that when these countries make out their itineraries it is usually with a subtle design to deny the visiting team some preparation time. That is where the BCCI does need to,if I may call it,flex its not inconsiderable muscle.

  • chechong0114 on September 1, 2013, 23:53 GMT

    When are Indian cricketers ever going to get a rest and family time or do any of them even have families or know what family life is. The amount of cricket that is being played my these Indians are simply overkill and BCCI needs to seriously look into finding at least a six month break somewhere to give players time to recuperate and simply relax. I know that they have signed a multi million dollar contract some years ago with ESPN or TEN sports something like that so I guess in that sense they have obligations but I think even in the eyes of some indian fans its a little too much cricket even for them. To make a case in this matter is the amount of empty seats in this year's IPL, a lot of the games in the preliminary stages of the tornament was played to some paltry crowds I think that's a big message to all involved that even this cricket loving nation needs some rest, just food for thought.

  • Nampally on September 1, 2013, 23:48 GMT

    The SA tour was planned long back with 3 Tests, 7 ODI's & 2 T20's. I would like to see the Tests being maintained at 3. Reduce ODI's to 3 & eliminate T20, if the original number is too taxing! This gives India a fair chance to test their young talent & give them much needed Test experience. Cricket is a gentleman's game why not keep the spirit of Cricket alive via diplomacy. If Mr. Lorgat is the source, resolve it by mutual discussions. Cutting off Cricket matches is hurting the interests of Younger Indian Cricketers. This is similar to cancelling Olympic games after the Athletes have trained so hard for years. Arranging WI to tour India at the eleventh hour under the pretext of SRT to complete his 200 Test tally sounds rather bizzare. Even Tendulkar may feel embarrassed by it. I admire Tendulkar & all his on Field achievements + his records. But putting an individual Interests above the Cricket itself begs the question - WHY?

  • MEHATELK on September 1, 2013, 23:02 GMT

    @ Blade-Runner , but your country even cancelling the home test series for last few years. why@

  • ibrahim-jalal on September 1, 2013, 22:48 GMT

    India is playing safe here, in this sense that they have already been whitewashed against tougher teams while playing away and the respect they have regained by winning champions trophy and by whitewashing australia they dont want to loose it too early and by playing with west indies either in india or caribbean does not matter because the pitches donot differ alot and may be they want to give sachin a winning 200th test match, while playing south africa in their home is not at all easy and winning becomes a more difficult as compared to west indies. What i think is if they dont play south africa it is the act of cowardness.

  • on September 1, 2013, 22:22 GMT

    the reason given for the WI series being brought in is that the board needs a home series for financial reasons which is ridiculous considering that they already made a heap during the IPL. 4 tests against SA would have had been so exciting. BCCI hurting indian cricket's long term situation for selfish short term gains. But this is not surprising at all, we are so accustomed to it as a nation

  • Cricket_Froth on September 1, 2013, 22:17 GMT

    Absolute madness. You've got the number one Test side in the world and India can't commit to playing at least 3 Test Matches on a tour there. It's no wonder cricket cannot build interest in Test cricket. With administrators perpetuating the myth that Test is boring and with schedule uncertainty, the format will struggle. India should scrap or reduce the meaningless ODIs and T20s and play FOUR or FIVE Tests. The BCCI should invest all it can into rallying the whole of India behind its Test team, as it attempts to beat the best side in the world in their backyard. Promote it!

  • rhtkumar672 on September 1, 2013, 21:27 GMT

    After all the discussions and meetings of saving the "longest format" this is what the BCCI has come up with. A two test match series between the top two teams is meaningless. BCCI should understand that money is not bigger than cricket.

  • GeoffreysMother on September 1, 2013, 21:21 GMT

    'No one is bigger than the game' - R.I.P

  • BravoBravo on September 1, 2013, 21:14 GMT

    @ Haxar- You are absolutely right. IND is never been beyond a mediocre team. That is why all the circumventing and "pruning" of tours going on. They are pretty sure they will get a white wash in SA as IND remains the most white washed team in entire history of cricket. Mark my word, that they will squeeze few tests with SLor NZ before going to ENG and AUS in 2014. @Cpt.Meanster- It make sense now, why IND is avoiding SA series. Just a mediocre team. Afraid to play outside with superior teams like ENG, SA, PAK, AUS, WI. IND get whitewashed everywhere.

  • mikkkk on September 1, 2013, 21:13 GMT

    This is base cowardice by India and the BCCI. They don't play any away series for 18 month, content to inch up the ICC ranking by playing worthless series against weak opposition and want to play the same game by shoehorning in a series in against another weak team. Keep running away India. Shameful.

  • on September 1, 2013, 21:07 GMT

    rubbish to even think about reducing the SA tour

  • xylo on September 1, 2013, 21:00 GMT

    Without testing itself against quality opposition in tests, India is doing itself no favors. They might as well set up another series with Sri Lanka. If the fear is that Steyn and Co will expose the Indian team's weaknesses, they should rather face their fears rather than play a third-rated test team. They could at least get Zimbabwe to tour India, and achieve two goals - get Zim cricket a much needed boost, and get Sachin a couple of centuries.

  • Westmorlandia on September 1, 2013, 20:51 GMT

    South Africa are the top team and if the BCCI cared at all about the cricket aspect of this, they would be wanting to play as many tests with them as possible.

    If this is about Tendulkar, and if Tendulkar is so precious about where he plays his 200th test, he could have skipped as many as he needed. It wouldn't have reflected well on him, but nor does this. It doesn't reflect well on the Indian team either. In football, Man U always say that no player is bigger than the club, and that is why they have had decades of success - and produced so many legendary players. By bowing to Tendulkar, the BCCI is basically saying that the Indian test team don't matter.

    In 50 years' time, no one will care in the slightest who has won which T20s, except maybe the big competitions. It's always the tests that count and that people will look back on. The BCCI doesn't seem to understand this, and it's sad for Indian cricket.

  • RG88 on September 1, 2013, 20:30 GMT

    Loving the not so soft power? of BCCI. CSA should not have unilaterally announced the tour dates expecting them to be rubber stamped. Even Cricket Australia understands the economics of cricket. Last they toured India after their domestic season got over. They saved the ODI's to be played later between the Two Ashes Campaign. India play in their Tri Nation Tournament, ie 8 matches atleast. Hence the Australian team is coming to play 7 ODI's. No way BCCI is going to accept that ridiculous scheduling drawn up by CSA. Ideally India would have played 2 warm up games (a 3 day and another a 4 day). Then 3 or even 4 Tests, with 3/4 days gap between each Test unlike 2 and 8 days gaps proposed between Test 1 and 2 and Test 2 and 3 respectively.Absolutely rubbish. This could have been followed by 5 ODI's and 2 T20's. Everyone gets a nice complete tour. Instead for it to be botched up by CSA. Arrange the dates in such a manner that 3rd or 4th Test happens on Boxing Day. Everyone is happy.

  • Al_Bundy1 on September 1, 2013, 20:24 GMT

    Sure, Sachin was great in his prime and he contributed a lot to Indian Cricket. In the process he also earned more money than he can count. Now, he is just a burden on Indian cricketer. We need to get rid of him ASAP.

  • IndianSRTfan on September 1, 2013, 20:18 GMT

    @Posted by Vidur Kalra on (September 1, 2013, 17:27 GMT): "..Absolutely disgraceful that the BCCI is looking to shorten south africa tour to two tests.." That's simply incorrect and I think you're overreacting.

    One, BCCI are not shortening the proposed TEST series, they have raised concerns about 7 scheduled ODIS, which they want reduced. In my opinion 7 ODIS is a overkill, especially before a test series

    Two, BCCI had problems with the itinerary where CSA had scheduled ODIs (7! that too) BEFORE the tests. BCCI want ALL 3 TESTS to be played BEFORE reduced number of ODIs. That's what it means when the text says '....the BCCI may demand that the Tests be played before limited-overs' games, thus taking a Boxing Day Test out of equation....' and NOT that BCCI want less number of test matches.

  • IndianSRTfan on September 1, 2013, 20:06 GMT

    I think a bit of perspective is needed before jumping to conclusions. There's no doubt in my mind that Sachin deserves to play a landmark test in front of his home crowd. I don't think this series is being arranged solely as a respectable way for Sachin to retire as many seem to be assuming. He's a proud cricketer. He'd much rather fight it out in SA and certainly doesn't need to ask for a charity series. Sachin's 200 test will be a celebrated event and BCCI would want to cash on that themselves rather than CSA (especially after Lorgat appointment).

    One more reason could be that FTP indicates there are virtually no important home matches in next year and BCCI would not want their revenues to dip. This series provides a chance for that and it is certainly a BIG occasion.

    We have not given our legends like Dravid and Laxman proper farewells and that's just sad. Therefore it's good that Sachin is getting a chance to play his 200th test match at his home. The Little Master deserves that.

  • on September 1, 2013, 20:02 GMT

    I don't really care about the ODIs and T20s, but it would be very disappointing if the three-test series is reduced to a two-test one. Inviting the Windies over in November when India were supposed to tour SA on the same month was just pathetic. How can you put one man ahead of the whole team? It's just stupid to have a series so that Sachin gets to finish his career at home.

  • on September 1, 2013, 19:42 GMT

    @fawad-Yes because that ONE player is ten times greater than some of the so called great sub continental batsmen..

  • mzm149 on September 1, 2013, 19:33 GMT

    Is Sachin afraid to face Philander, Steyn, Morkel and co in his 200th test so that they don't spoil his party? He will retire after West Indies tour so that he finishes on a good note. Or is it that India is procrastinating the South Africa tour to keep their ranking intact. Can't wait to watch how Amla, de Villiers, Kallis and Duminy will pulverize Indian bowling attack which is one of the weakest of test playing nations. No doubt Indian batting is good but South African pace trio is out of this world.

  • on September 1, 2013, 19:23 GMT

    Fact is that BCCI are anticipating a whitewash against africa thats why they want to decrease the number of matches to have less humiliation .Sachin retirement is just an excuse

  • blink182alex on September 1, 2013, 19:03 GMT

    Seems like the BCCI are throwing their weight around again. They out of no where schudle a home test series against West Indies and will conveniently make sure Tendulkar will play at Mumbai for his 200th test. And now they want less tests in South Africa, so think about that, more tests against a weaker opponent at home and less tests against a stronger opponent away.

    CSA need to put their foot down and start playing some proper test series at home. Go back to 2011, a 2 test series v Aus, last year a 2 test series v NZ and now a 2 test series v India. They need to be playing longer series, a 2 test series is unsatisfactory and a waste of time, SA v Ind should at least always be a 4 test series.

  • Knightriders_suck on September 1, 2013, 18:57 GMT

    This has got nothing to do with Sachin. This is BCCI telling CSA, you want an indian tour, you better listen to us when appointing your officebearers. Which is quite roughish. But this is the stick from BCCI for Lorgat's appointment. I just shudder to think if they can do this to a board like CSA which is quite self sufficient, how they must be treating SLC or NZC.

  • coldcoffee123 on September 1, 2013, 18:46 GMT

    I have a genuine question: Instead of WI, why not simply invite SA to play India, in India ?????? Then after Tendulkar's 200t Test, India and SA can continue the rest of the series in SA. Something very very strange is going on.

  • on September 1, 2013, 18:37 GMT

    Why call the WI for a 2 test series? Why doesn't the Board call SA instead?That way we can have a 2 test series at home followed by two more in SA. Plus we can also prune down the ODIs with Aussies and SA. This way everyone will benefit. Or If Sachin Tendulkar really has the good of Indian cricket in his heart, he should tell the board not to tinker with the schedule just to accommodate his records. Kapil Dev the greatest cricketer this country has produced (sorry Sachin , taking 434 test wickets and about 60% of them on dead Indian tracks is a real difficult task, apart from scoring 5000 test runs) retired after a series in New Zealand. If Sachin were to accept these 2 tests against WI then rumor mongers will have a field day. They would be going around town saying Sachin was given an ultimatum, ala as it is alleged in the case of VVS laxman and he had not choice but to accept it since he was near a record, although this could be totally wrong.

  • on September 1, 2013, 18:34 GMT

    Really feels shame When I see people commenting about sachin's place in the team ... cmmon man u are talking about SACHIN TENDULKAR ... THE GOD OF CRICKET ... I still think that he deserves a place in the team not only because of his name but because of his class .... and with whom u wld replace him ..Rohit .. who is said to be his clone .... now if u have original one with u then why deal with a clone ..... and to all those who speak all this against him just listen .. Who r u to talk about him, he is the man with experience of 200 test matches ... just look at urselves before talking about him ......

  • 12thUmpire on September 1, 2013, 18:27 GMT

    Instead of WI, BCCI should arrange a 2 test series against Zim or BD, one each @ Brabourne and Wankade in the interest of record books!

  • yorkshire-86 on September 1, 2013, 18:26 GMT

    If they need a rest, get rid of that stupid champions league. No one cares about it anymore. Full strength IPL teams with 4 foreign stars against half strength First Class teams with two.

  • RodStark on September 1, 2013, 18:13 GMT

    Well, if the big concern is allowing Tendulkar to play his 200th test at home, why not play three tests in SA but drop him for one of them?

  • AQ13 on September 1, 2013, 18:10 GMT

    very clever!instead of losing tests against south africa india can defeat WI

  • on September 1, 2013, 18:01 GMT

    This itinerary issue has been going on for months now. Somethings amiss. Media reports seem to hint at tension but neither side are making public statements. Lets hope this bubbles over. Could be fun!

  • on September 1, 2013, 17:58 GMT

    The arrogance of BCCI continues. Throwing their weight around the cricket world is starting to become sickening. Boxing Day and New Years tests in SA are traditional, as they are in Australia. Cut out the poor attitude India, and FIT IN.

  • teamxxx on September 1, 2013, 17:56 GMT

    i think bcci is afraid of 3 nil white wash from the hands of number one team in the world, as we all know indian record outside home in tests in recent past is not very bright one as they had shown in limited overs, as an indian I think bcci should not minimize the number of tests as it is a real cricket ' the test matches', we had already seen Pakistan cricket board and WICB eliminated their leg of test matches instead of limited over games, I think now every board and player are thinking about money more than anything else.so what so ever is going on between BCCI and CSA is not about playing good or quality cricket ,its all about finance.I mean playing a boxing day test or 7 odis its all about generating heavy funds.it is a shame......

  • on September 1, 2013, 17:35 GMT

    india should play 4 tests in south africa and when playing against strongest opponent tests our players mental strength i.e, to cope up with the situation and come out with flying colours.

    if really indian players need rest then better scrap champions league which is scheduled to begin this month from 21 onwards

    there is nothing use of chamions league and its better if india have any international matches or players having rest.prepone SA tour and schedule tests this month and return back and play odis against Aus and then return back and play 7 odi's and t20's and return back.then players will be having enough breaks to be fit and away from fatigue

  • on September 1, 2013, 17:29 GMT

    If bcci wants sachin to play 200 th test in india ,they should have reduced the Oz odi to 3 and play 2 test vs Wi . SA tour is much awaited series and it wont be good if the TEST is reduced to 2 TEST .

  • on September 1, 2013, 17:27 GMT

    I don't give a damn about Sachin. He should have retired atleast a year ago. Thanks for your contribution but you are now undoing your work, instead of Sachin we could have someone who would actually contribute with the bat. Absolutely disgraceful that the BCCI is looking to shorten south africa tour to two tests. The last two times that IND and RSA have met in test matches have been incredible affairs. Why should Indian cricket bend over to accomadate Sachin. He has done an incredible job...we have thanked him enough...now he needs to go or we should kick him out. We need to be ruthless if we want to be the best. Let someone else have their go. We have so many amazing players coming through under 19s, under 21s, India A and Ranji setup give them a go and please keep 3 test matches for South Africa even if it means cancelling worthless Windies tests.

  • offisapup on September 1, 2013, 17:25 GMT

    BCCI Official says, "And such a long tour wasn't viable from either's perspective. We need to space out tours so that cricketers get much-needed breaks between tours." Just one question. If players deserve a much-needed break, why prune an already scheduled tour, a mouth-watering contest wherever you're from, and add a complete no-contest tour for sake of ONE player? I hope CSA has the guts to stand up the the BCCI and say NO to the proposed 2-Test itinerary. It makes no sense whatever. And this is coming from someone who follows cricket passionately in India. This is practically selling out cricket because cricket fans would much rather see a World No. 1 team go against a team that's on the ascendancy than a series where a weak visiting team is going to get rolled over in alien subcontinental tailor-made for the much superior home team conditions. Truly appalled.

  • Pateldaku on September 1, 2013, 17:24 GMT

    Sachin might have not requested the series but he must have been consulted. His reflexes are not what they used to be and he would have struggled against Steyn and Morkel. So not willing to take a chance and best place to retire for a star like Sachin would be a home series and even better if home ground.

    Sachin is definitely going to retire after he reaches 200 test as that seems to be the only record that remains and that is why it is set to be Mumbai. Considering the bench strength cannot see Sachin being a stumbling block anymore.

  • CricketFanIndUS on September 1, 2013, 17:20 GMT

    It is great that there are two tests added to the schedule and that too right before the overseas tours. Right time for our team to find their test cricket form. Did the board plan this series just for Tendulkar? I do not think so. In my personal opinion Tendulkar is perhaps the greatest cricketer ever. He has inspired Indian cricket like no other player had before for any country, perhaps. Will playing 200 tests add anything more to his greatness? Hardly anything imo. I just do not get this obsession of the number of 200 tests vs 198. To me they are both just as important and virtually no different. Why are Ganguly and other greats of Indian cricket talking about Tendulkar's 200 tests? It will be nice to see Indian cricket stalwarts focus on more important topics like developing great pace bowlers and improving overseas success in test cricket.

  • Cpt.Meanster on September 1, 2013, 17:17 GMT

    @Haxar: Indian fans have long forgotten about those losses. No use of bringing that back. We are a better team now with new faces. That was a collective failure and not just 1 man's fault. In fact, Tendulkar was the next best scorer after Dravid during those tests. Sachin can only provide words of wisdom to young players, he cannot bat for them. Make sense ?

  • AjAdam on September 1, 2013, 17:15 GMT

    To all people, its BCCI we talking about. They are killing two birds in one shot. 1-No series is played in this Indian summer. So they trying to make money as all of us know that how many Indian fans waiting to watch him play last time in India. 2-And why all of you thought that BCCI will let him play his 200 test in SA. After knowing BCCI relationship with Lorgat and let SA Board let make money. For BCCI its just a business. And in last I am from Mumbai and I will go to watch his match whether India play with WI or Bangladesh.

  • coldcoffee123 on September 1, 2013, 17:11 GMT

    It is not often that India play a quality side like SA, let alone in SA. It is a shame the tour is being tossed around. BCCI has no credibility.

  • Cpt.Meanster on September 1, 2013, 17:09 GMT

    I think this is a splendid move by the BCCI. Being the world's most powerful board, they have to get things their way from time to time. This is for a more auspicious reason - Sachin's swansong. He deserves it. He's a LIVING LEGEND. This test match should be in Mumbai. But why the WI ? SA could have been invited over so that way we could have gotten the series against them over with. India could have toured SA after the new year for a 3 or 4 test series. That would have been ideal, but still, this is a wonderful occasion. Sachin haters need to chill and take a break !!

  • LOKESH20 on September 1, 2013, 17:03 GMT

    Wonder this much of much of controversy over sachins inclusion....if not sachin then who??? Vijay zol, Unmukt, sanju samson and more other youngsters..this is what you are talking about After their selection if they fail in two matches then remove their names for around three years and ruin the talents... this is what happened in the case of rahane, badrinath,tiwary, mukund already enough talents wasted just because they were given chance too early so the solution is to play and practice with the most experienced campaigner to get enough of confidence just like rohit and rayudu now....this is how youll make a stronger team....

  • on September 1, 2013, 16:58 GMT

    I am an indian and I despise BCCI for their supposed highhandedness in international cricket. They should respect the fact that their existence depends upon the millions of crickte fans in india. They may want to trim the series with SA, but in the process they are creating a dangerous precedent. BCCI needs an overhaul just like the Indian political system. BCCI will realize this in near future. Do hell with BCCI.

  • on September 1, 2013, 16:54 GMT

    Sachin is a really matured cricketer! He knows when to retire but at the same time with the young starts coming to the limelight,he will definitely think about retiring now.I have no problem as long as he is scoring runs.But now he must know that his ,time has come to retire.With his 200th test nearing,he will know that this is the best time to do it!

  • on September 1, 2013, 16:53 GMT

    Tendulkar last scored a test century in January 2011 against South Africa at capetown and India had managed to draw the test match. Three match test series had ended as drawn 1-1. I would have loved to see Tendulkar playing his 200th test in south africa and win it for India against strong opponent playing away from home.

  • SamRoy on September 1, 2013, 16:45 GMT

    Jut hope India plays 3 tests in SA. A 2 test series isn't a proper series as it doesn't give opposition chance to come back if they are 1-0 down.

  • heartcricket on September 1, 2013, 16:38 GMT

    I do not know what business it is of BCCI who South Africa appoints as their president.And If India does not want to play against Number 1 ranked team,Then who cares.Let them play against lower ranked teams so they win matches or players can score hundreds.If I were South Africa I would say play the initially agreed matches or forget about it.

  • optimiser on September 1, 2013, 16:37 GMT

    Any number less than 3 tests(even though 3 is itself less) is a big time waste.. & it is better to scrap the whole south africa series rather than playing meaningless two tests which offer no room whatsoever to learn & get a meaningful result out of it

  • on September 1, 2013, 16:36 GMT

    i need a one more great innings from sachin

  • 200ondebut on September 1, 2013, 16:30 GMT

    BCCI are running scared - they know they'll get absolutely stuffed in SA so want to reduce the carnage. I cant quite understand the fuss over Tendulkar - I have always thought he was overrated and is probably no longer worth his place in the side.

  • on September 1, 2013, 16:27 GMT

    What is wrong with BCCI..CSA is the cricket board of another country..BCCI has no business interfering in their internal matters.So much for having more meaningful match ups...cutting short a full tour to arrange 2 mini tours (involving 2 two test series) is absolutely ridiculous..We have seen how frustrating is to have these two test series....and this is when we thought BCCI was headed in the right direction with the path breaking and absolutely necessary selection decisions made by the selection commt over the last year or so....some things it seems never change..It is too much to much to expect some common sense from BCCI...

  • on September 1, 2013, 16:24 GMT

    Trust the BCCI to devalue a great career, with its money power, the SA series could have been distributed over two legs - one in India and the other in SA. Sachin would have loved the challenge, we would have had a great last battle between him in Steyn. Admittedly, Steyn would have had to battle Indian conditions which would have been evened out by Sachin's own slowing reflexes. But the battle would have been equal and stirring. Instead we will have to see him battle Sammy, Rampaul and the likes. Not to demean them, they are fine cricketers but somehow Sachin vs Ravi does not have the same ring as Sachin vs Steyn

  • Blade-Runner on September 1, 2013, 16:20 GMT

    BCCI is doing everything in their power to avoid the SA tour which is gonna be their 3rd whitewash in a row. They just wanna play at home and keep their icc ranking from falling.

  • king78787 on September 1, 2013, 16:17 GMT

    This is quite a big pruning they are proposing. If each game was played with only a single day's rest in between each one it would knock 16 days of the tour. Build in 4 more rest days and time for a ODI extra tour game that becomes 22 days or 3 weeks.....

  • hayagriva on September 1, 2013, 16:12 GMT

    Even Sachin would feel awful that the BCCI is deciding how his last game should be... I think its such a sham (I wanted to type shame..but it came out as a sham) that Cricket is taking a back seat. More than anyone else Sachin would not want his records manifested by entities outside of the Cricket Field

  • hayagriva on September 1, 2013, 16:11 GMT

    Even Sachin would feel awful that the BCCI is deciding how his last game should be... I think its such a sham (I wanted to type shame..but it came out as a sham) that Cricket is taking a back seat. More than anyone else Sachin would not want his records manifested by entities outside of the Cricket Field

  • heartbreakerz on September 1, 2013, 16:05 GMT

    this is very bizarre stuff, for me if sachin retires after the WI series and runs away from the SA, NZ, ENG, AUS tours...it will prove that he just plays for numbers, he had the chance to retire after 2011 wc or even after the 8-0 whitewash like dravid n laxman but he chose to play the home tests so he has to play the away tests as well bcoz it would be very unfair for d person replacing SRT to directly face Steyn n co without having any past experience of test cricket

  • siddhartha87 on September 1, 2013, 16:04 GMT

    Sachin has scored 1145 runs in last two years (21 tests,average 31.45,highest 94)

    does he even deserve a place in the playing XI? i was a huge SRT fan for years.But what he is doing in last 2-3 years is purely for the sake of records.He is only playing to stay ahead of kallis.And selectors says only he can decide when to go!! I hope BCCI makes flattest tracks of all time against Indies and the SRT scores 2 big hundreds.Make no mistake about it,with his current footwork if he travels to South Africa ,it would be a huge disaster.

    @Gsingh I totally agree with you.ashwin as a spinner is joke.He needs doctored pitches to perform.By this time next Ashwin will be out of test team.

  • Roshan_P on September 1, 2013, 15:58 GMT

    Rather than going out on a high Tendulkar has dragged his career through the mud chasing statistics. He was a terror in the 90s, a good batsman in the 00s and a poor one in the 10s. India have to let him go for the team's sake.

  • cloudmess on September 1, 2013, 15:57 GMT

    Perhaps there is an angle here on setting up an appropriate farewell for SRT. No player is greater than the team, it's true, but in future years, will we remember the great teams or the great players? And once SRT is gone, he will be gone forever.

  • Vishal_07 on September 1, 2013, 15:57 GMT

    @OttowaRocks; yes it is strange to have a whole series around a single player but then it is Sachin we are talking about! :)

    On a serious note, why do we need 7 ODIs vs. SA. They are too many!

  • on September 1, 2013, 15:56 GMT

    If this series goes on than it'll really sum up the mindset of Cricket Administrator who are running the game in this country. Every one can make out that, Sachin Tendulkar is waiting to give a balance to young Indian team in the soil of Africa. If he is asked to leave the game just because he could have a grand farewell, than i might presume as well that it'll be agianst the will of Sachin Tendulkar. He clearly wants himself to be involved in South Africa.

  • Avinash1008 on September 1, 2013, 15:55 GMT

    Instead of West Indies, BCCI should have called Zimbabwe for the test series so that Tendulkar could have made another hundred and retired happily.

  • glen1 on September 1, 2013, 15:52 GMT

    Cricket and any other game is about entertainment and participation of the public. No point playing the so called 'Tests' to empty stands. West Indians are great professionals and entertainers, and are all well-liked in India. What better way for Sachin to finish up his career in front of large adulating home crowds? What is the point in folding up a, never to be matched great career, getting bowled in South Africa? Let the East and West Indian Boards make money and entertain people.

  • Roshan_P on September 1, 2013, 15:48 GMT

    This is a poor show from the BCCI and Tendulkar. He should have retired a long time ago, when Dravid and Laxman retired. He hasn't been in form since the World Cup. Dravid's second last tour was one of his most fruitful ever, Lara retired when he was in great form, so did Gavaskar, Ponting did too and is still doing great in Shield. Tendulkar has completely lost it chasing these statistics. It is fitting that he got his 100th ton against Bangladesh in a losing match.

    The BCCI prioritised a series at home against minnows over a series away against the top Test side just so Tendulkar's 200th Test would be at home. When will they start thinking about the team rather than Tendulkar. Pujara, Yadav, Kohli, Ashwin and co. need to be tested in a tough situation.

  • FoollyFedUp on September 1, 2013, 15:46 GMT

    Shocked that so many fans have decided that SRT shouldered Indian cricket, even though it is common knowledge that Viru, Dravid, VVS and Kumble won more matches individually than SRT did in his 198 matches. While respecting one legend, please put things in perspective. And this decision by BCCI, while being a great commercial decision, takes India further away from Test # 1 status (i.e.if they want it).

  • Haxar on September 1, 2013, 15:37 GMT

    Where was Tendulakar!s experience when India got drubbed 8-0.So playing him in SA for others to get experience is wasting another young talent.

  • oj..cricfan on September 1, 2013, 15:33 GMT

    Sachin is a legend, we Indians never value what we have and praise Sangas' and Laras of the world. I fell privilege to be born in same country as Sachin. What he has given to Indian cricket is immense. Not just the run and victories he got, but also the Virats and Dhonis he has inspired who are pillar of future of Indian cricket.

  • FAB_ALI on September 1, 2013, 15:28 GMT

    It is just to make sure that there is a change in itinerary of SA tour. The tour would now start a little later with 2 or 3 ODIs being scrapped, that's what I think.

  • Farce-Follower on September 1, 2013, 15:27 GMT

    BCCI will reduce cricket to the status of an exhibition sport. Is this landmark more important than the game. Does this fit into India's long term plans? Might as well ask West Indies to conceded a double century too. Farce.

  • OttawaRocks on September 1, 2013, 15:14 GMT

    I've never before heard of a team planning their upcoming schedule around a single player this much before. By the choice of opponent and where the series is played, they've ensured that (1) the player has a chance at a higher batting average, (2) the player has a legitimate chance of getting a century after a long drought, and (3) a chance to retire while "on top of his game", i.e., with great prestige and fanfare given (1) or (2) do occur. Yes, that's if he retires BCCI... Much better than against SA (either way)...

  • on September 1, 2013, 15:04 GMT

    It is ridiculous that many so-called experts deciding the last match of the master.. it is his decision and let him take it.

  • on September 1, 2013, 15:03 GMT

    The headline should have read, "Sachin to retire after hurriedly planned WI series". In a way this has made Sachin's job easier. He no longer needs to worry about people pestering him about his retirement plans!!! It has been announced!!!

  • EverybodylovesSachin on September 1, 2013, 15:01 GMT

    We should not force Sachin to retire when he reaches magical numbers like 200th test, 40 years of age. Let him play as long as he is selected. He knows when to retire.

  • Mike_Tyson on September 1, 2013, 14:45 GMT

    Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but does it state anywhere in this article that the proposed Windies series is a request by Sachin to the BCCI so he can play his 200th test at home? Have I missed something? From most of the comments it certainly seems that way! Some people really need to grow up.

  • on September 1, 2013, 14:42 GMT

    200th test for Sachin ? is it that important, no. of matches who cares !! important is no. of runs !! anyways 2 test matches are not going to affect his illustrious career!!!

    i was going through no. of hundreds in odi & i found virat sitting somewhere at 15 hundreds in 113 odi along with mahela, sanga, dilshan having 16-17 hundreds in 250+ matches...sachin has got his last test hundred in SA in 2011 & from there on what we r looking not his runs but his no. of matches

  • Desihungama on September 1, 2013, 14:36 GMT

    This is beyond funny and gone bizzarre now. Just which other board facilitates such landmarks? Frankly, the board is and mind you not the players, the board is afraid of thumping they will receive from SA in SA.

  • gsingh7 on September 1, 2013, 14:36 GMT

    @gnazupid--- considering ashwin 's woeful bowling and lack of talents to bowl away from home, i cud select chawla or ojha ahead of him. ashwin can only bowl on indian turners and that too was outbowled by english average spinners. how u comprehend that? he cannot bowl well when pitch is not helping him and he bloated his wicket's account due to helping tracks in india. to reach number one rank, india needs potent spinners away from home like bhajji did when we reached top of rankings. sorry to say but ashwin is a glorified murali karthik .nothing more.

  • on September 1, 2013, 14:33 GMT

    Lets face it.Sachin has been struggling for form in the past two years in test cricket. The series against WI would be the ideal platform for him to retire. If he were to go to SA and struggle for 8 odd innings his average too would drop to around 50 or even less. Against WI at home with a max of at least 3 innings assured, he can retire on a high with his average hovering around the 54 mark.

  • ladycricfan on September 1, 2013, 14:32 GMT

    India need experinced players in SA. If Sachin plays well against WI he should go to SA.

  • UglyIndian on September 1, 2013, 14:23 GMT

    It'd be so much fun if Tendulkar flops in every single one of those 4 innings :)

  • Rohit... on September 1, 2013, 14:21 GMT

    How will Dhoni react to this??? Who is capable to face the Steyn-Morkel combo in the green tracks??? Just when Indian test team got a stable opening stand, the selectors decided to weaken the middle order...The options infront of Dhoni are:- 1) Force Sachin to play for SA and then retire... 2) Play Rohit in the middle order, with Vijay opening... This will put a lot of pressure on Pujara as he will be the virtual opener if Vijay opens the innings.... 3) Open with Rohit and play Rahane in the middle...Undoubtedly, Rahane's middle stump will be at risk against the pace and incoming deliveries which England has already exposed during the Indian tour.... 4) Bash at BCCI and force them to delay the WI tour... I would love this to happen.

  • on September 1, 2013, 14:17 GMT

    As good as this tour may be for Sachin, the Indian fans, and the BCCI, as it was so obviously planned for Sachin, and him only, it may not be the best for the Indian team. For the tour to South Africa, which is sure to be a tough one, India need some kind of experience. Even if Sachin retired after two tests in South Africa, to let a youngster take his place, it would be good as he would be able to give some guidance to the team, as part of the squad ; something that would be dearly missed due to this West Indies series. But alas, there is nothing to be done at this stage. So I wish Sachin, arguably the greatest batsman of all time, good luck in his future endeavours.

  • on September 1, 2013, 14:14 GMT

    Sachin is a true legend.....someone whose name is on the same pedestal as Bradman......the day sachin retires would be the saddest day in cricket history.....in the current era,there is no cricketer half as good as him.......in the previous era guys like Lara,Ponting,Dravid,Kallis came close but were still quite far.....I want Sachin to play against the WI,then in SA and Nz before retiring.....

  • on September 1, 2013, 14:06 GMT

    So this is how the cricket world really goes? Sachin could have had his 200th Test during the series vs Australia but instead he, Sehwag, and Zaheer chose to play hit & giggle IPL and miss the tour of West Indies back in June 2011. They then proceeded to underperform in England while Dravid who toured prospered. WICB should have remembered that insult & said no. After all we went 2 India last time, it should be their turn to tour. Not our fault BCCI agreed to tour SA back to back they should have tried to get CSA to tour India. I was looking forward to going to Sabina Park but with no Sachin, Zaheer Sehwag or Gayle i lost interest. I am sure i was not the only 1 in the region hoping to see Sachin on what wood have been his last Windies tour. Just as he denied the Windies fans back then so should WICB have denied the Indian fans but we dont have the cash or backbone to do that .

  • Sir_Ivor on September 1, 2013, 14:01 GMT

    For all the people who enjoy taking pot-shots at a legend I would like to tell them that I have followed this man's career from the time before he played his first Ranji Trophy game in which he scored a hundred.And have gone on to see him play some of his 198 Test matches.If we are indeed lovers of this game would we have grudged a modern day Bradman his legitimate due. So even if the West Indies tour has been organised to accomodate a request from him because he cannot go to South Africa for some reason can we not be generous enough to accept. It makes me proud to be an Indian when I think of this man. Let us stand and applaud a man who has been at the pinnacle of cricket for 25 years and not cringe because he has caused much envy for people from a troubled part of this world . There can never be another Tendulkar I am sure because Test cricket's future itself is not assured.Let us therefore be happy that we lived at a time when a batting colossus strode across this world.

  • on September 1, 2013, 14:01 GMT

    Its better to watch a Test against SA rather than Windies!

  • 2nd_Slip on September 1, 2013, 13:58 GMT

    Judging by his form for the past year or so Tendulkar would be easy pickings for Steyn, Philander and Morkel. Totally applaud the BCCI they know Greame Smith's men are slayers of legends and can do so with aplomb and embarrassed them i.e. Nasser,Vaughn,Strauss,Ponting

  • CricketChat on September 1, 2013, 13:42 GMT

    In a way this works out best for many people. 1) Sachin gets to play 200th test in home environment where he has his best chance of finishing his career on high. 2) Sachi's fans get to see him one last time in India. 3) BCCI can select a more fit player in the team for SA (Dhoni's reluctance to carry senior players due to their liability in the field is well known).

  • on September 1, 2013, 13:39 GMT

    We all love SACHIN in fact the whole universe loves him, but the time has come that he should consider his retirement pretty seriously otherwise his reputation will be tarnished in case he fail to live up to the expectation. We can't expect him to play in the manner he played during his heydays. People, past players and his near and dear ones adore him so much that they fear to even advice him for hanging his boots. So many great players in the past called it a day when they were in their prime. We don't want a scratchy 100 from him. It's really painful to see him struggle against mediocre spinner or a rookie fast bowler. In the last couple of years his form has dipped very low. His buddy BRIAN LARA retired when he could have played for two to three years. LARA lleft the game he wasn't pushed out oif the game. Even if Sachin scores a hundred in SA what's the benfiet of that, but if a youngster reaplacing him scores a fighting 30 that would be better for India in the long run

  • Sarathc90 on September 1, 2013, 13:36 GMT

    The 200th test which would have been only a sideshow in S.A now becomes the main act in W.I series. And i don't think Sachin has anything to do with the decision; it's all about BCCI punishing S.A cricket board. Huge additional pressure on the man when he really doesn't need anymore. Disappointing. Have a feeling this is going to be the end of the great man.

  • Sarathc90 on September 1, 2013, 13:29 GMT

    This is not really about Sachin Tendulkar. If anything he is only a pawn in this game. It is all about BCCI punishing the S.A cricket board for electing Lorgat as president. So they shorten the S.A tour, get credit for making Tendulkar's 200th test happen at home.

    And i suspect they think that this will help them deal with the Tendulkar retirement problem. There is going to be immense pressure on Tendulkar to announce his retirement; which at present he is clearly unhappy doing. In the slight chance that he doesn't oblige BCCI, they can drop him without facing a backlash; assuming of course he fails in the series, which is likely really considering all the pressure that is going to be there.

    So either ways, i dont see SRT going to SA whether because of retirement or poor form. It really seems to be the end. Tendulkar has a huge decision to make and it will be interesting how it all plays out. Anyways wish him all the luck in the world and no matter what happens, Thank You Sachin.

  • on September 1, 2013, 13:27 GMT

    To allow proper scheduling, ICC should draw up the tour instead of allowing the Boards to do so. This will ensure that no test matches are canceled or one team tours the other too often.

  • TheShawshankRedemption on September 1, 2013, 13:27 GMT

    There could be people complaining Sachin's 200 coming in at Mumbai but one needs to understand Sachin still has got appetite to score.Agreed Sachin played pathetic in 2012 but his min test avg from 2007 till 2011 is 47 (year wise) and shows how much he still has in him both reflex wise and attitude wise. The way he has carried this Indian team for 24 years means he need to be given credit than saying he is selfish. WI tour comes as a surprise but SA tour is still not yet halted and Sachin will surely make it to SA. Sachin will leave a lasting legacy in SA.

  • on September 1, 2013, 13:24 GMT

    By cancelling Safrica tour, BCCI is robbing both Indian fans as well as their players of a wonderful series! I can imagine how boring will an India Windies tour be!

  • mihir_nam on September 1, 2013, 13:22 GMT

    Well why West Indies BCCI. Why not arrange quick 3Test Matches with Pakistan . He started his career in Test against them and if he retires it will be Pakistan again. Infact they are not happy with RSA itinerary so invite Pakistan as they also have Series against RSA which they can postpone..Blow for RSA then

  • GlobalCricketLover on September 1, 2013, 13:17 GMT

    It is a clever ploy from BCCI to encash the 200th test of sachin to the maximum. That too having it at Mumbai. Having that test in SA would only increase SA's revenue, not BCCI's. BCCI never puts a foot wrong, I guess, when it comes to squeezing every penny. Wish it was half as interested in the world cricket as such.

  • dirtydozen on September 1, 2013, 13:13 GMT

    tendenulkar is a great player. but after the new zealand test series, i have lost the respect which i used to have for him as the greatest player. but at the same time my respect for ponting, dravid and laxaman grew after their retirement. Sorry to say but according to me tendulkar has lost his goodwill as a cricketer because of his poor knock.

  • EnglishCricket on September 1, 2013, 13:09 GMT

    He's no doubt a great batsman and all that but seriously out of nowhere, a 2 match test series just for him to get his 200th test match. I thought he was already satisfied with his 100 100. Invite 4 the first time a team like Zim or Ban.

  • --.-- on September 1, 2013, 12:55 GMT

    @ Herath-UK

    Reality Check:

    Last time Ind toured SA, SRT played brilliant knocks that included centuries too in Tests. So your statement makes no sense.

  • gnanzcupid on September 1, 2013, 12:44 GMT

    @nav rattan singh. Bhajji? ? Are you serious? No sane selector will even select him unless he proves that he is potent enough for the challenge. No indian can dream a comeback with past glory. Bhaji with current form is not even fit for club cricket.

  • indianpunter on September 1, 2013, 12:42 GMT

    Please put us out of our misery and announce your retirement, Sachin. Your time was up a while ago. Unfortunately, you didnt see the writing on the wall.

  • Selfishkar on September 1, 2013, 12:41 GMT

    Sachin and BCCI knows he will get embarrassed thoroughly if he were to face South African bowling in South Africa. In fact Sachin, has been getting clean bowled repeatedly on slow Indian pitches against slow bowlers like Monty, Naraine, Lyon etc.

  • on September 1, 2013, 12:40 GMT

    sachin..please dont retire after WI.....the ball really comes on well in SA and u can really play ur natural game there....the upper cuts...westindies would be a tame team....moreover....ur presence is vital in SA....PLEASE DONT GO

  • boharaamit on September 1, 2013, 12:36 GMT

    What is the bcci trying to do , this is frustrating for all the cricket fans . i see it this way that the board is pretty sure that india would eventually lose that test series 3-0 . so they used the haroon lorgat's issue as bait to avoid that margin . quite frankly , it's a win- win situation for the bcci.the bcci doesn't have good intentions at all , we get it you want sachin tendulkar to play his 200th test that at the wankhede , and that is fine with me , but if mr. tendulkar retires after that he would completely wash his legacy ,because that would prove that he is a number's player which proves both the chapell's point about sachin just playing for the records rather than for the love of the game . long story short , i don't like the bcci at all and if sachin retires after the WI series i will have no respect for him at all .too

  • jahanzebish on September 1, 2013, 12:31 GMT

    Its still better that BCCI arranged a fare-well series for Sachin by inviting a weaker test side to play on dead home pitches where Sachin can finally score a century, while only batting first ofcourse, and finish on high. It could very well be expected that if WI would deny to come, BCCI would force ICC to give test status to Ireland and then invite them to show that Sachin is the greatest batsman the cricket has every produced :) Honestly speaking, to me this is the worst, the game of cricket could see.

  • siddhartha87 on September 1, 2013, 12:29 GMT

    SRT should retire after Indies series. South Africa is not a good place for last series.What happened to Strauss,Ponting, Vaughan may happen to him too.

  • Aussiesfalling on September 1, 2013, 12:22 GMT

    is tendulkar still playing? I thought he had retired.

  • on September 1, 2013, 12:22 GMT

    To ensure our Maser plays 200th Test at home..Thanks BCCI

  • on September 1, 2013, 12:13 GMT

    This is perfect! As an Indian fan, I don't want anything else than Sachin playing his 200th test at home!

  • on September 1, 2013, 12:07 GMT

    This series with WI should also feature Zaheer, Sehwag, Gambhir and Bhajji. They can then retire with Tendulkar from all formats of international cricket. I have not included Yuvi in the list since I believe he will make a come back to ODI and T20 formats.

  • cnksnk on September 1, 2013, 11:58 GMT

    SRT has 49 ODI 100's. Why not a quick ODI series with either Bangladesh or Zimbabwe . SRT can come out of retirement and try and get the 50 th century. After any thing for a cause....

    BTW if SRT is planning to retire after these 2 tests then hope MSD has been kept informed in advance. After all he still has to take a team to SA and without his No 4 may be he needs to start looking for options NOW....

  • DRS_Flawed_NeedsImprovement on September 1, 2013, 11:56 GMT

    it is for indian fans only, one last time in home. Sachin hatters please dont watch.

  • 1st_april on September 1, 2013, 11:55 GMT

    BCCI window dressing for Sachin

  • abhu123 on September 1, 2013, 11:52 GMT

    To Tendulkar I think I speak for the millions when I say that I have grown up watching you play, and I can't stand life without you playing any international matches. Thus please don't retire after this series, and please don't retire after the series against SA too. Then there will be your final series in New Zealand, that also wouldn't be the perfect place to retire. Then theirs an away series against England, which will be a good battle but the perfect place to retire will be the end of next year against Australia in Australia. A place which you have conquered many times. A lot of people will tell you to retire when you are at your highest, but that will be wrong, they say that you will be remembered by how you ended, no, you have reached a point in your career where whatever you do at the end of it, you will be among the top 2 players ever, then why not be available for selection until it is decided that you are not worthy of selection. You are the best player I have ever seen.

  • ball_boy on September 1, 2013, 11:50 GMT

    Stay with the team for one more year ,we need experience more than ever

  • LALITHKURUWITA on September 1, 2013, 11:50 GMT

    I hate 2 test match series. T20 killed Test Cricket.

  • cnksnk on September 1, 2013, 11:50 GMT

    While BCCI's new found love for test cricket is touching, would it not have been better by either having 5 tests in SA or 4 is SA and 3 in NZ. Having these meaningless 2 tests is neither here nor there. Agreed Sachin is approaching his 200 th test. SA board were infact planning a fitting programe to commemarate the event. Is it the ill will towards Hogart that is forceing BCCI to put in a 2 test series vs WI wh

  • on September 1, 2013, 11:49 GMT

    Sachin's presence in the squad for SA is valuable and more over with his presence in the team he can handle the situation when our top order fails to score runs and in terms of experience not one can ever replace him in the middle order. The only gift Sachin can receive is series victory SA in South Africa.

  • vsroc on September 1, 2013, 11:46 GMT

    Posted by Venkat Sraman on (September 1,2013) It is good to know that Team India will be playing two test match series against West Indies in our soil before going to S.Africa.However,some of our regular players must go to S.Africa in advance to acclamatise the condition in that place.

  • on September 1, 2013, 11:45 GMT

    He grace the cricket world like bradman,sobers,viv richardsand lara.Now it's his to bow out.few players of the past got benefit matches.this is his benefit series.great thinking by the bcci

  • jmcilhinney on September 1, 2013, 11:43 GMT

    After such an amazing career, Tendulkar deserves to pass that landmark at home. He has attracted some criticism at times from some quarters but, while noone is completely worthy of no criticism at all, it's been unwarranted at times. He truly has been a great of the game. Given how long he's been playing at the top level and how well he's done it, some of his marks will not be passed for a long time and some maybe never.

  • on September 1, 2013, 11:42 GMT

    Hi All-sachin-bashers in the forum! You guys are criticising the man shouldered the team against the unrealistic expectations of billions for close to 25 years. The whole-cricket-watching community is indebted to this legend and for all his done to his country,why cannot we give him own space to make his final call. Who are we to decide when he should quit...No one really knows if he is the best batmen the world has ever seen or he's already past prime. But,sachin made perfect decisions so often and he is close to perfect. Please stop pushing him over the line. Let the legend lives him final moments of his game he loves the most. This-we are not doing it as favor;as moral reciprocity for all the entertainment we got from this legend.

  • Herath-UK on September 1, 2013, 11:42 GMT

    It gives him more opportunity to sign off with a century which is less likely in SA, so sort of a BCCI made ready - made century in the offing. Disagreeing with DRS was just another instance of helping him getting records.Whatever way it comes it is a record so celebrate it. Ranil Herath - Kent

  • scottyg on September 1, 2013, 11:40 GMT

    Good chance for the West Indies to show they have improved- they have a decent spin and pace attack, I expect Tendulkar to struggle with the pace of Kemar Roach, and the West Indies to win

  • TenDonebyaShooter on September 1, 2013, 11:39 GMT

    While I greatly admire Tendulkar, I'm not in favour of the game being manipulated to help players achieve personal milestones. Having said, that I suppose we have to be grateful these days that tests (especially those featuring the West Indies) are arranged for any reason ... I wonder if there is a possibility that we might see a double retirement at the end of this series of two batting titans of the modern era. And will we thereafter have to get used to international cricket without both Tendulkar and Chanderpaul ...?

  • on September 1, 2013, 11:35 GMT

    Awesome, Sachin in front of home crowd in his 200th test match :)

  • Surajdon9 on September 1, 2013, 11:35 GMT

    who cares!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • on September 1, 2013, 11:35 GMT

    We need Sachin in SA...agreed he is no way near his peak...but wherever he is now...is far taller than current IPL standard batsman...SA will prove it yet another time...now my comment will have more dislikes than likes...but I would rather revisit it post-SA tour...may be ppl will scratch their heads for another Dravid too!

  • Warm_Coffee on September 1, 2013, 11:33 GMT

    Selfish player that only plays for records. West Indies are interested because all they care about is the $$$

  • --.-- on September 1, 2013, 11:32 GMT

    @ fahad_pakistani

    Well you have to earn that "power". Not everyone can do that.

    Record ? LOL he was going to get that record of playing 200th match anyway in SA.

    BCCI made sure that SRT makes his one last appearance in front of home crowd as he has retired from IPL too.

    Credit to BCCI ! Love the way you work ;)

  • sachinisawesome on September 1, 2013, 11:22 GMT

    If this is what I think it is ? ...... Oh boy I am getting numb. I am 26 and people my age and a bit older will realize we have never seen cricket without sachin being around. The very thought of Sachin not being around sends shiver down my spine. CRICKET WITHOUT SACHIN IS JUST A GAME FOR ME.

  • on September 1, 2013, 11:18 GMT

    End of an era in sight then?! Sachin's memories, if and when he decides to hang his boots, will be cherished. In all fairness though it has to be said, he has been a shadow of himself since world cup 2011. Time waits for no one - blood someone new in SA!

  • on September 1, 2013, 11:17 GMT

    We need this Master to be there in South Africa, Please sachin we need you there !!! A request from your die hard fan...!!!

  • on September 1, 2013, 11:15 GMT

    Sachin got another year in him - besides we dont have any good indian batsman to take his place

  • coldcoffee123 on September 1, 2013, 11:15 GMT

    I got goose bumps. Is this going to be it, the end of the word TENDULKAR? Cricket w/o Sachin would be like cake w/o sugar. The day he will retire, I will cry like a baby. No shame in that.

  • fahad_pakistani on September 1, 2013, 11:08 GMT

    Some player power!!!! Scheduling a whole test series just to get ONE player a record

  • TATTUs on September 1, 2013, 11:07 GMT

    Second test in Mumbai! Hmm lets see. I want him to go to South Africa.

  • Fahiem25 on September 1, 2013, 11:02 GMT

    Mixed feelings about this. Was looking forward too see Tendulker get he's 200 test live at Newlands but happy that he will get it in front of he's home fans. Really hopes he comes to South Africa and face Steyn one more time. Who can forget the last battle? South Africa is one of the places he has never won a test series so im sure wants to give it one last go.

  • on September 1, 2013, 11:02 GMT

    The series is designed to have SACHIN play his 200th match (World Record) at his home ground and than say goodbye gracefully. I think Sachin and BCCI have agreed that gen 'X' of Indian cricket is ready to take challenge of cricket in India without the master the great 'SACHIN TENDULKAR'.

  • on September 1, 2013, 10:56 GMT

    What a farewell that wud be for the Master Blaster. Ending 24 years of wonderful test career ending at homeground and more importantly in India where 1.2 billion indians totally adore him.Go Sachin.play ur hearts out and u have certainly earned respect from all over globe.thanks for wonderful memories, the greatest test player ever.

  • ReverseSweepIndia on September 1, 2013, 10:55 GMT

    With each passage of time the greatest batsman to appear from our land is finding it difficult to score runs. With this he also lost of lot of respect from fans. Fans like me from his era who have seen him at his prime know how good he really was. With lose of reflexes he sure would have found it difficult to score against Steyn and company. Some people may say he chickened out, but those who have seen him go there and score too, knows that its just the daddy time calling now. I really hope that he score some runs against WI and goes on a high which he deserves.

  • on September 1, 2013, 10:43 GMT

    sachin has to go to south africa we need a experienced batsman like him for the african safari

  • on September 1, 2013, 10:39 GMT

    Okay, it is somewhat a catch-22, but well thought out by our BCCI magicians, good source of revenue, but why this particular series be his farewell ?!

  • on September 1, 2013, 10:39 GMT

    Okay, it is somewhat a catch-22, but well thought out by our BCCI magicians, good source of revenue, but why this particular series be his farewell ?!

  • on September 1, 2013, 10:43 GMT

    sachin has to go to south africa we need a experienced batsman like him for the african safari

  • ReverseSweepIndia on September 1, 2013, 10:55 GMT

    With each passage of time the greatest batsman to appear from our land is finding it difficult to score runs. With this he also lost of lot of respect from fans. Fans like me from his era who have seen him at his prime know how good he really was. With lose of reflexes he sure would have found it difficult to score against Steyn and company. Some people may say he chickened out, but those who have seen him go there and score too, knows that its just the daddy time calling now. I really hope that he score some runs against WI and goes on a high which he deserves.

  • on September 1, 2013, 10:56 GMT

    What a farewell that wud be for the Master Blaster. Ending 24 years of wonderful test career ending at homeground and more importantly in India where 1.2 billion indians totally adore him.Go Sachin.play ur hearts out and u have certainly earned respect from all over globe.thanks for wonderful memories, the greatest test player ever.

  • on September 1, 2013, 11:02 GMT

    The series is designed to have SACHIN play his 200th match (World Record) at his home ground and than say goodbye gracefully. I think Sachin and BCCI have agreed that gen 'X' of Indian cricket is ready to take challenge of cricket in India without the master the great 'SACHIN TENDULKAR'.

  • Fahiem25 on September 1, 2013, 11:02 GMT

    Mixed feelings about this. Was looking forward too see Tendulker get he's 200 test live at Newlands but happy that he will get it in front of he's home fans. Really hopes he comes to South Africa and face Steyn one more time. Who can forget the last battle? South Africa is one of the places he has never won a test series so im sure wants to give it one last go.

  • TATTUs on September 1, 2013, 11:07 GMT

    Second test in Mumbai! Hmm lets see. I want him to go to South Africa.

  • fahad_pakistani on September 1, 2013, 11:08 GMT

    Some player power!!!! Scheduling a whole test series just to get ONE player a record

  • coldcoffee123 on September 1, 2013, 11:15 GMT

    I got goose bumps. Is this going to be it, the end of the word TENDULKAR? Cricket w/o Sachin would be like cake w/o sugar. The day he will retire, I will cry like a baby. No shame in that.

  • on September 1, 2013, 11:15 GMT

    Sachin got another year in him - besides we dont have any good indian batsman to take his place