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MCC Spirit of Cricket Lecture

Greig implores India to govern for the world game

George Dobell

June 26, 2012

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Tony Greig has appealed to the BCCI to abandon self interest and "embrace the spirit of cricket and govern in the best interests of world cricket, not just for India and its business partners."

Greig, the South Africa-born former England captain, utilised his invitation to deliver the MCC Spirit of Cricket Cowdrey Lecture from Lord's, to call upon India to "accept its responsibility as leader of the cricket world" and ensure that the long-term future of Test cricket and the less powerful Test nations were prioritised above short-term commercialism.

At present, Greig said, India's power was being used to undermine the credibility and worth of the ICC and self-interest was preventing beneficial advancements such as the universal adoption of the Decision Review System (DRS) and a coherent international playing schedule. Greig also criticised "India's apparent indifference towards Test cricket and… its indifference to the urgency to introduce anti-doping rules and the rumoured corruption hanging over the IPL.

"Unfortunately," Greig said, "India is pre-occupied with money and T20 cricket and sees its IPL and Champions League as more important than a proper international calendar. To compound the problems, India has not only sold part of the game to private interests but some of her administrators are seen to have a conflict of interest, which makes it more difficult for it to act in the spirit of the game.

"We can huff and puff as much as we like and have all sorts of external reports," Greig continued, "but this situation can only be resolved by India accepting that the spirit of cricket is more important than generating billions of dollars; it's more important than turning out multi-millionaire players; and it's more important than getting square with Australia and England for their bully-boy tactics towards India over the years. It's ironic that the world, including India, rightly worships at the Nelson Mandela altar because of his conciliatory attitude but then India eschews his approach by indulging in a little pay back."

The Spirit of Cricket lecture began in 2001 and was named after the late Colin Cowdrey, the former England captain and a past MCC president, who, together with another former president Ted Dexter, were instrumental in including the spirit of cricket as the preamble to the Laws of the game. Last year Kumar Sangakkara gave a widely acclaimed Cowdrey lecture where he talked about controversial issues within Sri Lanka cricket and also about the importance of the sport in his country.

Rarely if ever, however, has the Cowdrey Lecture been used to deliver such an obvious rebuke to a specific national board. But Greig, who relinquished the England captaincy in 1977 to play and recruit in Kerry Packer's rebel World Series Cricket, has never been one to shy away from a battle and pulled no punches in suggesting that India were now too powerful for the good of world cricket.

"Much of the game is controlled by the BCCI because it controls enough votes to block any proposal put forward at the ICC board meetings," Greig said. "The reason for this is some countries would not survive without the financial opportunities India provides. What is just as disturbing is through the Champions League, South Africa and Australia have a partnership with India and are unlikely to risk offending India. The current Champions League 10-year contract generates just under a billion dollars and is 50% owned by India with Australia and South African sharing the rest.


Andrew Strauss requests a review after Graeme Smith was given not out, South Africa v England, 4th Test, Johannesburg, 15 January, 2010
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"As a result of the dependence on India the process adopted by the ICC is simply not working. The ICC cricket committee for example is made up of a group of top class current and former players and umpires. They go to great lengths to make recommendations that they consider in the best interests of the game. These recommendations are then submitted to the CEO's committee for approval, which normally happens as a formality. The recommendations are then raised at the ICC board meeting and if India doesn't like them, they are, at best, modified or thrown out. It's a sorry state of affairs and very frustrating for those who give so much time to getting things right."

Greig did find some praise for the BCCI, crediting them for their successful commercialism and the decision to utilise profits from the IPL to ensure that past players were cared for. "We must acknowledge and praise India for embracing the spirit of cricket through the financial opportunities it provides, which has enabled a number of Test playing countries to survive, and some to thrive," Greig said. "World cricket would be in a sorry state if it weren't for the money shared with other countries from India's television deals.

"If there is proof of the leadership India can provide, it is the recent announcement of a one-time benefit payment of $13 million to former national and domestic players for their services to Indian cricket."

But he insisted that such strength carried with it a responsibility and called for India to wield its power more judiciously. And, on the day when the ICC's executive board, chaired by BCCI chairman, declined to act on the recommendation of the ICC's cricket committee or chief executives committee and apply the DRS universally, Grieg's words on the subject were particularly timely.

"It can't be good for the game when the media devotes so many words and so much ink to bad decisions, which ultimately undermines the integrity of some results," Greig said. "The DRS is not perfect, but it does err in favour of the umpires' decisions and according to the ICC, fewer mistakes are made with its use. And furthermore, there is less conflict on the ground.

"India has two reasons for opposing it: One, because its superstars had such an embarrassing experience with it in the early days. Two, the BCCI argues that the DRS is too inexact. Ironically, the spirit of cricket is batting on both sides in this one. The cavalier approach says DRS is not in the spirit of cricket, but on the other hand, the Indian superstars should act in the spirit of cricket and accept the majority viewpoint."

Elsewhere in the speech, Greig called for the introduction of lie detector tests to help in the fight against corruption, reasoning that it was no greater an imposition into the private life of athletes than routine drugs tests, and called for the IPL to be expanded into "an Asian League" to include teams from Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. Each of those boards, he said, should be given a financial stake in the competition, which would enable them to finance their other cricketing obligations. He also called for Australia to welcome New Zealand teams into the Big Bash and for England to "set up its equivalent of the IPL and include teams from the West Indies and one team from Ireland."

Despite his concerns, Greig, now aged 65, insisted he was optimistic for the future of the game. "Fortunately, I think most of the problems can generally be addressed if India invokes and adheres to the spirit of cricket," he said. "Mahatma Gandhi said: "A nation's culture resides in the hearts and in the soul of its people. As cricket certainly resides in the hearts and souls of Indian people I am optimistic India will lead cricket by acting in the best interests of all countries rather than just for India."

George Dobell is a senior correspondent at ESPNcricinfo

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Posted by Fan1969 on (June 28, 2012, 14:36 GMT)

Tony, when did English Cricket help out NZ, SA? Unless you support England playing with/supporting SA despite apartheid England is at the top in TEST and T20 cricket due to SA PLAYER imports. They still do not give any financial support to NZ/SA. DRS is flawed and the ball tracking technology is POOR. Europe plays so much football and is so RICH but does NOT use TV replays etc. in Football. England would not have reached the Quarters of EURO 2012 as Ukraine's goal was disallowed! IPL is enjoyed by the Indian masses. Playing and watching in stadiums during April & May is difficult due to the hot weather. BCCI must introduce another mini IPL season during the winter months as well. Play just 1 round (instead of 2) with 2 foreign players per team. Let cricket entertain the Indian masses rather than India get bashed up by SA/Eng/Aus on fast pitches during winter. All nations can continue to play Intl cricket in this period. Big Bash also coincided with Australian cricket season

Posted by Fan1969 on (June 28, 2012, 14:11 GMT)

What a cry baby Tony Grieg is? Many people in India feel USA and industrial countries should share wealth / technology with developing countries. Have they done it without a quid pro quo? NEVER - they wanted market access and tax benefits. How about good Fast bowlers shared by Aus/SA/England/WI? India has still allowed 10 foreign players per IPL team besides foreign coaches and other foreign trainers & staff. People from all countries have benefitted. Even Pak cricketers, Wasim Akram and Ramiz Raja, have benefitted from IPL. India has helped the Cricket Boards of some countries WHILE precedent by England/ Australia is lacking. SL cricket tried to schedule Intl cricket during IPL, opposed by SL players! WI, England, Australia still schedule matches every year. Let them. India is 6th in all time test cricket performance (ahead of old minnows SL and NZ) and 5th in all time ODI performance (beating England). This is the time to catch up with other nations, not subsidise them

Posted by   on (June 28, 2012, 13:55 GMT)

As arjuna Ranatunga rightly said "IPL produces Butchers".ICC should ban T20 rubbish.

Posted by boltfromheaven on (June 28, 2012, 12:31 GMT)

T20 t is the closest format to the game the majority of us in the subcontinent play in the streets, parks and alleys of our childhood. And thats why we love it. A 5 day test is something the professionals play, but this goes against the sporting grain. Tennis does not have a 'first to 24 games with a lead of 2' set in its professional form. There is no 4 hour football game in its professional form. There is no 45-innings baseball game that I have chanced upon.Nor a round of golf over 72 holes that is the only 'true golf'. Test cricket is a conceit in this day and age. Boxing has 3 rounds and 15 rounds but neither of those formats place unreasonable demands on its fans' time. On what basis does Tony Greig (or anybody else for that matter) argue that Test cricket is the main form of cricket? Which demographic of the modern work force would support it? Or is it because test cricket will guarantee 5 days of employment for a commentator compared to just a few hours in T20 cricket?

Posted by suko99 on (June 28, 2012, 12:05 GMT)

Bravo Greigy !!!!! well said. we Sri Lankans are with u !!!!!

Posted by Lord_Dravid on (June 28, 2012, 12:03 GMT)

This speech is aimed at reducing india's power as opposed to suggesting a sustainable international calender. Greig wants england and australia to have their own ipl style league..is he jealous of the ipl and also of india's superpower status? it was ok for over 100 years for eng and aus to rule cricket now its not okay all of a sudden lol.. oh well who cares what greig and the ecb has to say.

Posted by div09 on (June 28, 2012, 10:47 GMT)

If too much T-20 cricket is not good for the sport then why does Australia want a six-match T-20 series against Pakistan and the worst thing is that the ICC approved it..!! NO ONE SAID ANYTHING WHEN IT CAME TO AUSTRALIA !!!

Posted by MadhavY on (June 28, 2012, 7:51 GMT)

Umpires are part of cricket, and they should stay that way. Are you people gonna ask for some kinda camera in place of umpires just because some straight drives are hitting umpires, cricket has it's limitations, and they make cricket much wonderful, If Tony Greig thinks test is traditional and ultimate, why can't he just accept the traditional way of umpiring.

Posted by   on (June 28, 2012, 5:25 GMT)

Phew...high time someone said this!

Posted by Dhushan on (June 28, 2012, 3:50 GMT)

Very well said Tony. Much respect for telling BCCI what someone in ICC should have said long time ago. Good on you

Posted by getsetgopk on (June 28, 2012, 3:19 GMT)

@YorkshirePudding: Yes, DRS would have eliminated all the 17 howlers in Pak-SL game, was just adding to your point that umpires can achieve 95% accuracy, guys like Dar, Taufel and Rauf might achieve that but thats about it the rest are woeful at times, im all from DRS.

Posted by sri.grins on (June 28, 2012, 1:49 GMT)

All the people who are venting their fury in a polite/insulting way, I would like them to ponder over the following questions

a) is anyone saying BCCI is not helping the weaker countries unlike Eng/OZ who did not when they were ruling the cricket world? b) is BCCi objecting to any rule changes in ODI that can really affect India? for example, two white balls, 2 bouncers per over all of which definitely are not something that help India c) is DRS so important that we need to spend so much money? why can't we just use the existing TV replays and say that no lbw prediction will be done and no hot spot. I am sure BCCI will accept it and this will remove 90% of howlers anyway at zero cost d) What fair play we are talking of when cricketers show very little respect for rules of the game? e) why does not Eng/OZ if they want DRS agree to pay the entire cost for all international cricket showing their love for the spirit of cricket?

Posted by   on (June 28, 2012, 1:28 GMT)

Sorry everyone but i am old school.Let the umpires in charge make the calls, if they make a bad call stop replaying it over an over just get on with the game take the good with the bad.We have neutral umpires now to take away all the bias

Posted by Dean079 on (June 28, 2012, 0:54 GMT)

Those who agree with Tony need to consider the fact that he is pissed off that he is not part of IPL in any shape or form - mainly because he was part of the rebel ICL. He is obviously missing out on the big bucks that are on offer for his other fellow colleagues - a case of sour grapes. Asking for the IPL league to be expanded to the Asian league is almost laughable. It is their domestic league and through their efforts have made it successful and the envy of other boards. Cricket is a business now and due to this cricketers are able to secure their financial futures. DRS is expensive and some countries like SL just cannot afford it even if they want to use it. Besides due to flaws in the ball tracking after it pitches leave DRS out of the LBW decision and let the umpire have the final say- allowing umpires to refer only to see if the ball was pitched outside leg. this would be a cheaper technology option as well it will still have a human element in the decision making. Just Sayin.

Posted by Chris_P on (June 27, 2012, 23:36 GMT)

Wow, great delivery, Tony. Just about covers everything perfectly. Some probably don't like hearing the truth, but nothing Grieg stated is incorrect. Talk about stating what most people are thinking!

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 22:08 GMT)

hold up, in the rankings only England have played more tests, only sri lanka have played more ODI and most teams have played more T20 than India. So stop battering the BCCI for not agreeing to rules that are not in the interest of sport. If sport was perfect in all its decisions then stop humans playing. THe umpires are paid to make the decisions, so let the umpires on the pitch make the decisions.

If the concern is IPL then the solution is simple, the central contracts need to be worth more than IPL contracts. If not then these professionals who have a limited career have every right to maximise their earnings.

Posted by seeker75 on (June 27, 2012, 19:42 GMT)

@rajithwijepura Just a gentle reminder. India contributes 80% of global cricket income. In other words more then all the other 9 countries you are refering to put together. If India's supremacy is broken, expect street cricket on your telly. If the cricket world accepted England/Australia supremacy some years ago then why can't they accept India? I may not accept everything India does but I have to live with it.

Posted by coolitbaby on (June 27, 2012, 19:33 GMT)

@rajithwijepura : Well I believe the Lankan board has been on it's knees to BCCI forever now. Better ask them to stand up at least now.

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 17:42 GMT)

AUS and ENG are always ready to criticize BCCI. BCCI put forth certain points to ICC related to the failure of DRS..no one addressed it. So BCCI stands unchanged. If these ppl are in favour of improving the game why didnt thy even test VJD ( alternate method for DRS). Not even a try!.... If India is the only country interested in T20 why ENG and AUS pushing for a league on its own? India established its premier league right in time while other countries didnt even have a clue..and lucky got a window of time. so no point in blaming IPL

Posted by rajithwijepura on (June 27, 2012, 17:41 GMT)

If all 9 other full members jointly oppose BCCI's decision, BCCI would already on their knees. Its just a matter of all other members joining together. This supremacy of BCCI in world cricket can be break. But it need some scarifies.

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 17:32 GMT)

Its a Shame for BCCI....

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 17:09 GMT)

well said tony totally agreed . If india doesnt accept the full drs scheme atleast they shud adopt the features that are hundred percent correct e.g third umpire can 100 % tell you about inside edge befor lbw . Same caught behind . Ok if you don want lbw decisions fair enough but atleast above mentioned things can save some horrible decisions .Prime example is the recent test match between pak and lanka .

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 16:18 GMT)

Well Said Tony Greig. India is fast becoming a dictator and a dictator in any sort is not good in any social phenomena.

Posted by NP_NY on (June 27, 2012, 16:11 GMT)

@getsetgopk: Once again, no one asked the Pak/SL boards to not go with DRS for the bilateral series. The fact that they chose to not use DRS is not BCCI's fault.

Posted by Nutcutlet on (June 27, 2012, 16:05 GMT)

In cricket as in life - there are two types of friend: those that tell you what you want to hear and the other, the more sincere type of friend, who tell you what you need to hear. Are you listening, BCCI? For a country as vast as India is, it's a pity that her board of control cannot see the bigger picture... It's all a question of maturity. Adolescence was never know for much apart from self-interest. In due course the BCCI will take a mature view and realise that self-interest is ultimately self-defeating because you have only the wrong sort of friend left, fawning and grateful for the crumbs that fall from the rich man's table.

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 16:04 GMT)

Atleast he has guts to criticize Indian Cricket Board.

Posted by Riderstorm on (June 27, 2012, 16:02 GMT)

Comeon guys, the stupidity of BCCI has been in public all the time. why the hell do cricketers choose the opportunities BCCI provide?? Why do you think that is?

Yes, they are killing cricket in India in the name of T20. They are in a self-destruct mode, let them complete it. I cannot see anyother way.

Posted by kitten on (June 27, 2012, 16:01 GMT)

There is now some clarity on why the proposal for universal application of the Decision Review System (DRS) was not put to vote by the Executive Board - it's because no one sought a vote. The board comprises the heads of 10 Full Member nations, three Associate representatives, the ICC president, vice president and chief executive. Any member of the board or member of the management can move a motion to have a vote on any issue. In the meeting held on Tuesday, no one - neither in the ICC's management group nor any of the Full Members - was willing to put the issue to vote. Going by the above, as a neutral, I can't understand why BCCI is being hauled up as the one not accepting the DRS. No country or even the board are willing to take a vote on the issue, for whatever reasons. IMHO, I feel that this whole issue should be dealt with by the umpires, on the field, and behind the cameras. If the third umpire sees a decision given that is not right, he should step in, and rectify it.

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 15:59 GMT)

Very thoughtful of Tony Greg for cricket. His suggestion for India to be magnanimous while his own country England and Australia did the very opposite when it was there time in recent past. Its a bit like asking the financial capital USA (or china) to magnanimously distribute its riches to other countries just because they are poor. Though its an ideal thought it can never be worked out in practice. Above all considering the situation of a poor nation like India where more than half of the population is below poverty line its impossible to be an idealistic. India have to invest its riches gained by BCCI to help develop others sports in India heavily. BCCI through its support to other sports should go forward with the motto of make India the best in sports whether at Olympics, Soccer, or others.

India could always offer a helping hand to others when it becomes eligible to be called a sporting nation if not the best.

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 15:59 GMT)

Though I appreciate Mr. Tony's comments for his thoughtful insights on how to make test cricket or to grow cricket in general. I will never agree to his suggestion that India should share its riches to other cricket nations for one simple fact - India is still a poor country and a sporting nation which can be explained by the following facts:

1. India hardly wins any wins medals to portray itself as a player at Olympics, which is the greatest sporting events in the world. It fares very poorly even compared to other small nations in Africa or other.

2.Not sure if anyone remembers but India has recently won world championship title in Kaddadi (considered to be a national sport). Yet, the players who won championship for the country are never being rewarded even a fraction of what cricketers get.

3.How about soccer-Though popular in India we fare very poorly again. We need to invest in this to improve.

Much better things could be done with BCCI riches before lending its hand others

Posted by getsetgopk on (June 27, 2012, 15:55 GMT)

The issue here is accepting Test Cricket being the ultimate format, India doesnt want Test cricket so they dont care, the rest of the world should take a stance and vote India out on the DRS issue, India will fall in line because they can't sustain everything without help from other countries, it takes two to tango, its not just others who benefit from playing against India if no one plays India then they get nothing!

Posted by akshat10_nz on (June 27, 2012, 15:44 GMT)

I dont understand what the big deal is with these guy For whatever reason India doesn't want the DRS system if you are a nation that does want it and think cricket definitely needs it then BOYCOTT us Put pressure on us this way and make us change our mind but dont try to teach us RIGHT OR WRONG

These same people who think we are bullies now never raised a finger when these things were happening to us on a regular basis.

BCCI has a point of view and they have the right to stick with it INDIA CAN DO AS IT PLEASES ITS NOT FORCING ANYONE ELSE TO FOLLOW IT LIKE THESE GUYS DID IN THE PAST

Posted by RohithMedisetty on (June 27, 2012, 15:43 GMT)

He says India is concerned only with the Ipl and champions league and he wants England to set up it's equivalent league.

Posted by cric_fan_ on (June 27, 2012, 15:35 GMT)

There is a contradiction in what Tony Greig is saying 1. he wants India to support UDRS 2. he wants India to stop going after money how these 2 contradictory? you only need to see the current SL Pak series for that. why doesn't it have the DRS? because SL board can't afford it. The ICC backed DRS is only possible if India agrees to pay for it but how can bcci pay if stops chasing the money. you see boards of NZ, Zim, Pak, SL don't have money, these systems require money, the expansion of game needs money so someone will have to go out there and earn that money Windies players haven't had any strikes of late neither SL players for not getting paid IPL is a big reason for that. Tony Greig has put some good points but he and others including bcci need to see both sides of the coin. without money the sport can't be run DRS can't be implemented but too much of cricket can kill the game, both sides need to find a middle ground somewhere.

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 15:32 GMT)

I still believe that the DRS is still not completely ready to be used universally, and so i disagree with Mr Greig here. But yes, India should look beyond IPL, Champions league and start focusing on the real cricket which is Test match cricket. Giving ex players their share is a good gesture by the BCCI, but that is not enough. If cricket has to reach a level where it can challenge football as a global game, then organizations like the BCCI, CA must play a big role.

Posted by kingofspain on (June 27, 2012, 15:29 GMT)

Tony Greig is totally right. And he's especially right about India being obsessed with "payback" for preceived bullying by England/Australia in the past. India didn't give a hoot about 20/20 until it became obvious that it can be used to bully England/Australia. Time for India to stop acting like a spoiled teenager. Being a leader requires acting like an adult and acting in the larger interests of the game sometimes.

Posted by Zahidsaltin on (June 27, 2012, 15:15 GMT)

TONY should criticise Australia, England and South Africa before saying anything to India. It is these three boards who consider their financial interests with india before any thing else when they deal with india. It is them who have let india do what they are doing. Could INDIA have this IPL if other boards didn't allow their players to participate. These 3 boards have created a mighty monster who doesn't care world cricket any more.

Posted by SnowSnake on (June 27, 2012, 15:03 GMT)

To me socialism and social justice does not make any sense. I am all for capitalism, so go India, follow the money.

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 15:01 GMT)

Good for you, Tony. Someone had to speak up and I am glad it was you. BCCI is India's prime 'foreign currency earner'.. hence this attitude....Why is the ICC spineless to allow the BCCI to dictate terms? Take a vote from all the current ICC members, and India will get back to reality, with its tail between the legs.

By the way, why isn't he "Sir" Tony Greig?

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 15:00 GMT)

agreed with Tony, simply..

Posted by Vii_Vil_Vin on (June 27, 2012, 15:00 GMT)

Let the west mourn!! We dont care!! This is what happens when you are on the receiving end of Hypocrisy. IPL is to cricket as EPL is to football.. Can one say that England ruined the quality of football through EPL? Nope. Same applies to cricket. The game evolves, and so should mindsets of administrators.. So we will flex our muscles as much as we can and as long as we can!!

Posted by Akshaythekaxk on (June 27, 2012, 14:58 GMT)

I agree that test cricket is needed for the cricket to survive...But what has it done? Just 10 nations in the past 135 years! Domestic Competitions like IPL will take cricket to other countries.

Posted by Herath-UK on (June 27, 2012, 14:49 GMT)

Only a very few had been able to speak the truth and Arjuna Ranatunga is one of the braves.Well done Greig,hopefully saner council will prevail soon. Ranil Herath - Kent

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 14:46 GMT)

@sweetspot I would suggest that 1.2 billion don't actually object and even if they did,a fair percentage don't even understand what they are objecting to in the first place. Honestly I think it is comes down the BCCI wanting to flex their muscles, not for any valid reason, just to show that they can.

Posted by Naveed85 on (June 27, 2012, 14:42 GMT)

agree with greig pakistan and srilnaka should be included in IPL and make it as asain league revenue should be shared.. i thought India would accept DRS after 2011wc when they had good success with drs in WC ..but bcci's damn ego is too big

Posted by MyOpinion on (June 27, 2012, 14:42 GMT)

India never said to stop using DRS for other series where India is not playing (recent SL vs Pak). If india is dictating terms it would have said to stop using DRS universally so what the big fuss about it if India doesn't want to use it for their series coz more than half the umpiring decisions go against them anyway (so not any evil plan to reach NO. 1 by not using DRS). And it is not only INDIAN SUPERSTARS who complained about DRS even other country players showed dissapointment in it (ex: Kallis, Ross Taylor). As for IPL, it is financially helping many player not only from INDIA but from other countries (ex: former Int players like gilchrist, shane warne, murali etc...) and also other cricket board like NZ and SL. Ipl is played in India and it never asked for a window in ICC (other country players asked for it), it is just making money through IPL but also helping many in the process. so I don't see India dictating terms or destroying world cricket.

Posted by the_sport on (June 27, 2012, 14:20 GMT)

Using technology in decision making is not at all bad. It improves the quality of the game. But DRS is having drawbacks which is actually not in spirit of game that should be understood by many nations as well. When you check the bowling of spinners and faster it differs a lot. Swinging and spinning of the ball can not be perfectly modelled under single rule (animation). More over it pitch, wind direction also matters. Many Indians do love Test Matches as well. I am not from England or Pakistan, still i did follow both the series - Eng vs Pak and then Eng vs WI. India has produced many good test cricketers and will produce. IPL is going really in full swing. When you have noticed it, Test players were at the top of the most-runs chart. So the new comers should also understand that Test Matches is the best format of cricket and you should be able to be part of national test team for their own long future.

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (June 27, 2012, 14:18 GMT)

@getsetgopk, so in that case wouldnt DRS have helped resolve the issue of the blatent errors, especially if the umpire is having an off day, which beleive it or not even Elite umpires have, they are HUMANS not Machines. I didnt see the match so cant comment on it with any authority.

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 14:18 GMT)

@boltfromheaven I am so glad there is an MCC still in place to safe guard the rules and the game of cricket from people like you. Take your 20/20 and play as much as you want. We'll keep test cricket and go our separate ways. Don't try and dictate to the whole world how cricket is played. It belongs to all of us not just India.

Posted by ProdigyA on (June 27, 2012, 14:15 GMT)

I had high regard for Tony but now he has totally LOST my respect.

Posted by emverce on (June 27, 2012, 14:10 GMT)

I would like for IPL & a new domestic ODI to be a yearlong cricket affair in India! We can do without the ICC, thank you very much!

Posted by Siva_Bala on (June 27, 2012, 14:05 GMT)

Why mix DRS and IPL. My view: DRS, Yes IPL also Yes

Posted by FredBoycott on (June 27, 2012, 13:56 GMT)

A man and his wife owned a very special goose. Every day the goose would lay a golden egg, which made the couple very rich.

"Just think," said the man's wife, "If we could have all the golden eggs that are inside the goose, we could be richer much faster."

"You're right," said her husband, "We wouldn't have to wait for the goose to lay her egg every day."

So, the couple killed the goose and cut her open, only to find that she was just like every other goose. She had no golden eggs inside of her at all, and they had no more golden eggs.

Posted by Jishnu.v.v on (June 27, 2012, 13:53 GMT)

My favorite commentator by far Tony Grieg, Love your comments sir. BCCI and India does need to act in the best interest of the game and not oppose the DRS.

After what we saw in the last test match between Srilanka and Pakistan, the need for DRS is seemingly becoming neccesary.

Always loved Your Commentary and i loved your last statement WRT Mahatma Gandhi and India and Cricket.

Hats of to this wonderful commentator.!!!

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 13:51 GMT)

We love u Tony, we loved when u played & now ur commentary, but all these good & spiritual thoughts going to be trashed.

Posted by SureshBravo on (June 27, 2012, 13:50 GMT)

We Indians enjoy our cricket in any form, IPL too. Why should others need to tell about it. If you dont have money to do so, then dont do that. We have and we will play and we will enjoy. Your reason for not accepting captaincy of England say how kind of person you are ? Totally you have double talk here.

Posted by Shantan on (June 27, 2012, 13:46 GMT)

Well said Tony Greig, but I'm afraid the BCCI will not be affected in any positive way!

Posted by EverybodylovesSachin on (June 27, 2012, 13:43 GMT)

Tony..DRS fools everybody..we think technology is working but it is not..Hawkeye and Hot Spots have major flaws...Do not spend money which fools you..It is better real umpires makes mistakes and can be accepted..and that is what india thinks..no power issue here..

Posted by BBcric on (June 27, 2012, 13:34 GMT)

here is the complete video.. http://www.lords.org/laws-and-spirit/spirit/mcc-spirit-of-cricket-cowdrey-lecture/2012-cowdrey-lecture,1620,AR.html

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 13:32 GMT)

Good on ya Tony, India needs to accept Test Cricket as the ultimate form if Cricket needs to survive beyond England and Australia

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 13:06 GMT)

Finally someone said the truth!!!

Posted by sweetspot on (June 27, 2012, 12:59 GMT)

The "majority viewpoint" is to be respected? Why not? 1.2billion viewpoints say NO to DRS. How many want it now?

Posted by getsetgopk on (June 27, 2012, 12:58 GMT)

@YorkshirePudding: The umpires from the 'Elite' panel were not even 20% accurate in the 1st test match between SL and Pak in Galle, at least 17 howlers, a dozen of those against Pakistan. Its the best of the best that achieve 95 to 96% accuracy the rest of them hover around 60%.

Posted by vasend on (June 27, 2012, 12:54 GMT)

Entering technology in any sports will kill the beauty of the Game like "goal line technology" in football... DRS in cricket.. BCCI is also trying to rule the cricket world we agree this, but they also did a better job in expanding cricket as a global sports.. which is missed in ENG and AUSSIE 's era...Don't blame IPL for everything.... Think who started the 20-20 before....

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 12:53 GMT)

@agam99: I think you got i wrong. He says becuase of what India can do to Cricket ie: IPL, rewarding past Cricketers, they shud do it with a Global benefit rather than self benefit. Also, India is the super power in Cricket and can literally do what it wants to but he wants them to use it in the right way.Also there is no place where he says what Aus and Eng did to India and others were correct but we can ask India to differ as it is a gentleman's sport and by not repeating their stance itself is a bigger slap than retaliating. So he is not conflicting

Posted by boltfromheaven on (June 27, 2012, 12:47 GMT)

Nonsense. This is nothing but whingeing. He is no Dravid. His words dont carry that kind of weight, whatever he thinks and this has been so ever since the Windies put him in his place well and proper back in the 80s. His mentality is from a generation past. They cannot come to grips with the new reality that India is the major power in Cricket and England and Australia, to say nothing of South Africa, have been relegated to a lower tier. That the gulf is not even wider is only due the BCCI holding back from complete domination and the cricketing talent that Australia and South Africa bring to the IPL. India is not England or Australia. The BCCI is not the MCC. And thank god for that. The ECB could never have pulled off a IPL. They dont have the vision or the risk taking caliber for that. Cricket Australia could have, but did not. Yes, the BCCI just cares about the IPL and it should. The IPL is business venture and if managed properly, is the proper future of cricket.

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 12:44 GMT)

@CricFin whos gonna pay for the technology in Domestic cricket brother.. ICC did not want to subsidize even for international cricket matches (last heard...i cud be wrong).

Posted by veeezel on (June 27, 2012, 12:43 GMT)

Poin i noted from this articale is tony is saying some ex cricketers are making recomendations for the betterment of cricket but BCCI either modify them or totally rubish them so whu are other countrys are allowing that, have they sold themself to BCCI or just too weak to stand up? either way those contrys are as much to blame as BCCI if they all refuse to be bullied no one can bully them that is the first thing we are told when growing up .

Posted by jjamie15 on (June 27, 2012, 12:41 GMT)

I find it incredible that global sports have adopted video technology yet one organisation (albeit a large one) opposes it with such passion. To say it's not perfect is to miss the point.

The point is this; is it more reliable than an Umpire's decision alone? The answer is proven to be 'yes' so why not use it and develop and improve the system as technology improves and becomes more affordable? Otherwise, we stand still as a sport and don't offer the best vehicle for the world's elite players to perform...

Cricket is being undermined by one organisation without the best interests of the game at heart. It is not in keeping with the spirit of the game we all love.

Posted by MrBrightside92 on (June 27, 2012, 12:29 GMT)

I just thought...do Indian batsmen wear helmets? As they're not 100% foolproof...(someone else may have made that comment...apologies if they have..)

Posted by atuljain1969 on (June 27, 2012, 12:26 GMT)

Ha ! Ha! Ha!, we having a saying in hindi "Khisiyani Bili khamba noche", which means that those who cannot get their way, starts acting frustatingly.

MCC or for that matter why these people are worried about dictating terms of India. Have they forgotten their own time, when whatever MCC used to lay down was accepted by the colonies without blinking an eyelid.

Further why everybody is so paranoid about T20. I can assure from 2/3 years or even earlier, Test cricket will loose its shine. There is no need to play it, anymore, does anybody play it in schools or even in college.How funny, for so long we were made to believe that Test cricket is the real cricket, but not anymore.

T20 is here to stay, and if these people are unhappy with T20 then we are unhappy with Test cricket.

Posted by kristee on (June 27, 2012, 12:19 GMT)

Greig's very tone suggests how hard BCCI is to estrange. Christiano Ronaldo or Roger Federer can't take on the bodies that globally control the respective games. Here's a lesser country's board challenging the entire cricket world only because it has more money. Forget cricket's prospects as a respectable global game.

Posted by ambalal on (June 27, 2012, 12:19 GMT)

Tony Greg, accept the fact that India is the sole cricketing super power these days. When England was a cricket power house it also did all sorts of things but some how balanced things which Indians probably donot know. You even brought in Gandhi jee to plead your case, for India to understand. Where were your morals when Pakistan was being sideliined from IPL and most of you were prasing India because of IPL money.The fact is that over 50% umpiring decisions without DRS are wrong these days. With DRS the risk minimises to just 2 to 3%.India without DRS can once again become world No1 because most of their series are now at home. With DRS India will be no 3 in Asia only ahead of Bangladesh.

Stop talking about Morals or democracy.9 out of 10 full members want DRS. The 10th country India foots most of the ICC bills has the power to call the shots.DRS talk is nothing but drama as no one wants to loose IPL money not even the so called supreme body ICC.

Posted by reality_check27 on (June 27, 2012, 12:19 GMT)

people who say that indian cricket should be boycotted that will be the end of cricket with india investing money cricket cant go on and england use to do the same ting some years ago since they have lost that power to india now they have a problem strange isnt it but nothing cant stop india now you can cry all you want.

Posted by NP_NY on (June 27, 2012, 12:07 GMT)

@Tauhidul Islam Khan Rashique: Boycott India? ha ha ha. What fantasy world are you living in? India has got 75% for the cricket fanbase in the world, so trust me cricket in India will live on with or without your support. Can you say the same for some of the other countries?

Posted by Exposeheart on (June 27, 2012, 12:00 GMT)

Instead of Saying the Whole, tony should blame the BCCI.

Posted by guitarboy on (June 27, 2012, 11:57 GMT)

I couldn't agree with him more.

Posted by keptalittlelow on (June 27, 2012, 11:48 GMT)

Tony Grieg made some excellent points here, I am sure India is big enough to embrace what is right and proper for Cricket.

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 11:35 GMT)

totally agreed with Tony. it seems BCCI wants to run the cricketing world

Posted by bobmartin on (June 27, 2012, 11:31 GMT)

There are lots of ancient relics in India that are to be admired, and revered... the BCCI is not one of them

Posted by Harlequin. on (June 27, 2012, 11:25 GMT)

Well said Tony. The BCCI is a disgrace to an otherwise great nation

Posted by i_witnessed_2011 on (June 27, 2012, 11:24 GMT)

@agam99 : completely agree with you. Why BCCI and IPL should be blamed for everything bad happens in cricket? If all boards agree and Can unite for DRS, let them come openly and vote for it... If they can not do it because of MONEY concern , then they are no different than BCCI. ICC,BCCI and all other boards should equally share the blame.

Posted by sri.grins on (June 27, 2012, 11:18 GMT)

One would think that DRS is a panacea for all ills plaguing cricket and that the BCCI is firmly opposing it. Soon, we will equate opposing DRs to opposing women's enfranchisement in the past. good lord. DRS at best can only improve accuracy by a couple of percentage points. It is expensive. the money spent on DRs goes to a private company in UK/OZ not to a charitable trust intent on developing cricket. tony says BCCI has done a lot for cricket and served both its own past players and supported other countries. I understand it feels good to see the BCCI as the bullying boys but there are guys on here commneting that they have destroyed cricket ethics legacy etc. what spirit of cricket? the batsmen edge to the keeper and do not walk. We keep talking of fair play spirit of cricket etc. Weird :-)

Posted by MMahmood1 on (June 27, 2012, 11:16 GMT)

Australia cricket only go for money, they will never gang up with them. Whats the interest of T.G & (England/Australia) in DRS when its not full proof.

Posted by SuperSharky on (June 27, 2012, 11:10 GMT)

For a world-society to survive, the strong must not prey on the weak, but rather help the weak. India is the strongest cricket nation in the world. No other nation can compare to their money-input into cricket. If the rest of the world feels that India wants to bully the rest, with their ideas of cricket, then maybe their will be a beak-away in the ICC in the near future. In Nature the strongest of the strongest survives. In a society, the weak team-up against the strong. I hope things won't change drastically. I like the balance between Test cricket, ODI's and IPL, at the moment. I just hope no form kills the other-one, because of money. Tony Greig is not the only person in the world who feels like this.

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 10:54 GMT)

Salute to Tony Creig .He is totally right .

Posted by Jishnu.v.v on (June 27, 2012, 10:44 GMT)

My favorite commentator by far Tony Grieg, Love your comments sir. BCCI and India does need to act in the best interest of the game and not oppose the DRS.

After what we saw in the last test match between Srilanka and Pakistan, the need for DRS is seemingly becoming neccesary.

Always loved Your Commentary and i loved your last statement WRT Mahatma Gandhi and India and Cricket.

Hats of to this wonderful commentator.!!!

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 10:42 GMT)

I am not sure Indian board is against Test cricket, we play 10-15 tests each year, which is the same as the so called " test-loving nations", though i agree the attention to quality performance in this version has dwindled. While IPL is responsible, i still think BCCI can manage this with decent scheduling. Also, its key to play Bangladesh, NZ and WI regularly, without worrying about revenues. I am not a DRS fan, the last world cup left too many glaring questions about that.

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (June 27, 2012, 10:41 GMT)

@vxttemp, the reason you see more is because of the technology used by the TV companies not inspite of it, you are therefore focusing on the mistakes that occur. 10 years ago mistakes were part of the game, especially the maringal one, now though they are blown up, played in super-slow motion, focused on, and generally detract from the game. the question is why do 9/10 boards have no objection to using DRs yet when it comes to making it mandatory non of the boards will back it?

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 10:38 GMT)

good on ya Greig !! its about time some one in the cricketing world start pressurizing the ICC to do what the majority of the world wants and make UDRS mandatory and to come up with a proper sustainable FTP schedule. good on ya !!

Posted by agam99 on (June 27, 2012, 10:36 GMT)

Tony..height of double standards man. 1) You say accuse India of extreme commercialization of the game then u yourself state how crucial it is for future of the game....2) You yourself say that Eng-Aus used to bully India earlier and India returning the favor now which is wrong as per you....if it wasn't wrong earlier when Eng used these tactics then why it wrong now when India doing same ?....3) You call IPL bad but at the same time you want England to start a similar league ? double standards or what Mr Grieg ?...... 4) You accuse IPL BUT at the same time you say IPL should be converted to Asian Premier League and India should share its revenue with SL, Pak & Bng....WHY ? Why should India do that. Did England did same to Ireland when it was financially good....or did Australia did same to NZ and SAF did same to Kenya when they were financially strong....then WHY should India do that ?......Why all moral responsibility should lie with India ???

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 10:32 GMT)

@Rohit your comments on depression show a complete lack of knowledge about the nature of mental illness. You can no more blame the ECB for Trescothick's depression than you can blame the BCCI for Zaher's cancer.

On the specifics of the debate, I would suggest this is a fine line to tread, the BCCI should be a force for good in the game and there is no doubt their financial clout has helped in many ways. The problem is that the cost of this is the IPL which is basically one long commercial that is occasionally rudely interrupted by some cricket. The world would definitely be a better place without citibank moments of success, DLF maximums and strategic timeouts. But perhaps this is the cost we have to pay.

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 10:27 GMT)

Well done Tony . . . at least somebody had the guts to speak up

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 10:23 GMT)

Put this man in charge of world cricket. Well said Greig.

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 10:22 GMT)

I agree with Greig 100%. I urge all cricket boards and fans to boycott Indian cricket team for a year, and I mean it.

Posted by nair_ottappalam on (June 27, 2012, 10:21 GMT)

Total agreement with Tony Grieg. BCCI showing money power and money mindedness in opposing DRS. Many times, India have found themselves in want of DRS on field. Many of India's home victories would have gone the other way had the DRS been pressed in. Lets go the technology way and accept DRS. If BCCI still rejects, expel BCCI from ICC.

Posted by Dude.Cricket on (June 27, 2012, 10:13 GMT)

We all know that there were many instances of wrong rulings byDRS? Sometimes OUTs were given not out (Laxman caught behind) and sometimes not outs were given out (Darvid) and there are many more examples. Even after ruled NOTOUT by DRS, Stuart Broad when and checked Laxman's bat, shows that English themselves are not confident of the system. DRS makers lobbying the columnists and commentators so that they can sell their useless technology to all cricket grounds. There is a lobby and commercial interest involved in universal DRS as much as BBCi's commercial interest in T20. When the supposedly foolproof DRS technology itself admits that the result in not reliable and accuracy varies depending on the length where the ball pitched and trajectory, why not rely on the onfield umpire himself. That way you can uphold the sanctity and spirit of test cricket than by relying on a commercial technology.

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 10:13 GMT)

Finally somebody has the guts to take, even the name of India. India's bullying is definitely destroying the cricket ethics and legacy on which the game is surviving for the last 100 or so years. Cricket has survived for more than 100 years without IPL but without Test cricket, not even IPL can survive for more than 5 years. It is a successful l film but every success has its tenure. Having said this, other powerful boards such as Australia and England are also partly responsible if not equally. Why cant they put their feet down. Why cant they take a stance ?. Till when will they keep on towing INDIAN Board's line for just a few extra bucks. Dont they realise they are also destroying there a part of their culture ? I am sorry but i see a very grim future for cricket unlsess India acts maturely.

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (June 27, 2012, 10:07 GMT)

@madras_boy, no umpire will ever have a 100% accuracy in the decision making, at best they can achieve a 95-96% accuracy rating.

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 10:05 GMT)

beautifully stated well done

Posted by ahsanjabbar on (June 27, 2012, 9:54 GMT)

very valid points/concerns that should have been addressed by the Indian Board yesterday. will just suggest to re-phrase India to Indian Board as to avoid a rebuke from general Indians; as majority of Indians would agree to what is said in the article, and will vote against the Indian Board for their anti-spirit of cricket practices.

Posted by vxttemp on (June 27, 2012, 9:48 GMT)

People see umpires giving shockers, but they fail to realize, DRS is also giving shockers. I do see more controversies now than before. Even tennis players don't like though developing technology for tennis should be lot easier. You may want to google on how many players criticized DRS.

Posted by bohurupi on (June 27, 2012, 9:47 GMT)

Can't be any truer than what Tony Greig has said..kudos to him. Hope India realize this and act fast to save cricket. Money might has truly blinded the Indian cricket stalwarts and robbed off the conscience from them but this very strength may take a nose dive one day and India may find itself in an awful and precarious condition. The sooner they realize the importance of the DRS system the better is for the health of entire cricket community. The idea of an 'Asian League' is also a great one and India just should work accordingly to make it happen.

Posted by Gillyyyy on (June 27, 2012, 9:42 GMT)

Very well said Tony.....BCCI need to spare 41 min in the spirit of the game known as cricket!

Posted by Nerav on (June 27, 2012, 9:30 GMT)

If the poorer crickets boards (ECB) want to keep test cricket even tho it no one else really cares about it then dont expect the BCCI to fund it. Indians dont want to watch 5 days on boring cricket in which many times a winner is not determined. It their right to choose what they like. What we can see now is pure jealousy and the imperial powers do not like the fact they can no longer dictate terms. Fact of life money controls all matters.

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 9:28 GMT)

Well Greg... I love whatever you had to say. And I'm really sorry for the fact that now you will never be allowed inside India. Cheers for the effort mate!

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 9:28 GMT)

I would not call T20 cricket. Lets find another name for it.

Posted by i_witnessed_2011 on (June 27, 2012, 9:28 GMT)

Though I agree with Greig on some points, I feel other boards are equally responsible for DRS issue. Why no board di ask for Voting in the last meeting? why did other boards openly come out and say we are united and want DRS? they dont say it because they need money from BCCI. So in the end every other borad is taking the decission on the grounds of "MONEY and FINANCIAL CALCULATIONS" not on pure CRICKETING Grounds... So if everybody is playing for money, then why not BCCI? To conclude, I would say ICC,BCCI and other borads should blamed equally for the current DRS scenario...

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 9:21 GMT)

You are 100% Tony Greig. India should come down to earth and respect the spirit of game rather than only chasing money.

Posted by NP_NY on (June 27, 2012, 9:14 GMT)

I agree with Tony that BCCI is selfish. But which board isn't or hasn't been in the past. As he himself says England and Aus boards have been bully-boys in the past. And now the dynamic has shifted. The harsh truth is BCCI is not doing anything that the other cricket boards or any other governing body in it's position of power won't do. Having said that I would dearly love to see BCCI take an active stand to promote cricket in Afghanistan, Ireland, etc. and encourage their participation in the larger tournaments.

Posted by manisacumen on (June 27, 2012, 9:10 GMT)

As a great cricket fan and an Indian at that, I am truly embarrassed at the clout BCCI is enjoying. This is detrimental to the spirit of cricket The world's favourite commentator (and best too) has rightly slapped Indian adminstrators. I am fed up with this dictatorship of India. I think the World should gang up and rebel against India for this. DRS is a welcome introduction despite its errors. It reduces human frailties to a great extent if not eliminate it completely. Indian board should not misuse its financial powers for getting what it wants disregarding the majority views. I apologise to the fans and cricket administrators of other countries. I pray wise sense prevails over BCCI honchos

Posted by ShanTheFanOfSachin on (June 27, 2012, 8:53 GMT)

I totally agree that BCCI's stand against DRS is not vindicated.

Can I ask the boards who are are doing a great service to the development of Crick just by supporting DRS.

1. Why are you still backing D/L method in limited overs cricket, even though there are so many instances where it is proved to be ridiculous AND when you have a sceintifically backed better alternative Jayadevan method?.

2. What is the reason for ECB's stand against T20 cricket in Olympics , inthe same above mentioned executives meeting? If you want cricket to be globally accepted, you can not have better opportunity than having the game in Olympics

This is what called hypocrisy!

End of the day, BCCI vs Other boards with their own interests and ego is only stopping development of the game itself!

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 8:43 GMT)

Watching India play, is not exciting nowadays, t20 are only fun with international teams . I have not seen an exciting Test innings from India ans as such large hundreds from the batsman. They have lost the patience with Test Cricket and I only see India tearing Test cricket apart. If they do not accept UDRS may be they should not be allowed by ICC.

Posted by rgrokkam1 on (June 27, 2012, 8:42 GMT)

Who prevented to use DRS between the recent test match SL vs Pak, Is it BCCI?. The decision to use the DRS is between SL and Pak and not BCCI. They did not use for the simple reason that they don't have the facilities. You cannot expect BCCI to provide the money for DRS facilities in SL or in any other country. It is not correct to blame BCCI for everything. Having said this, BCCI is no SAINT. BCCI is trying to do the same thing as what ECB, did for many years. What ECB did was not correct and what BCCI is doing is not correct. Isn't ECB partly responsible for the death of WI cricket, when they implemented the rule of one bouncer per over, claiming it as intimidatory bowling, when Dicky Bird himself said, leave the intimidatory tactics to the decision of the umpire and no such rule of one bouncer per over should be implemented. These days there is less quality cricket (apart from 1 or 2 series) and more of politics with each cricket board trying to show their strengths.

Posted by Fanatic_cricko on (June 27, 2012, 8:38 GMT)

Well done Tony. You are a great. You have the guts.

Posted by TommytuckerSaffa on (June 27, 2012, 8:24 GMT)

I just cannot understand some peoples logic here, what tree did they drop out of? Are telling me you rather have 100% human error than 90% accuracy? DRS has been excellent in ruling out shocking decisions and its yes, its not perfect but it will get there with further development with the game. Why doesnt India / BCCI embrace postive change in taking bad decisions out of the game.

Well said Tony and grow a backbone ICC.

Posted by madras_boy on (June 27, 2012, 8:22 GMT)

I agree with Maddy20... ICC should concentrate on training Umpires so that he second tier umpires when promoted to the elite panel will have 100% accuracy. rather than fighting against BCCI over DRS. This will save lot of money for the boards.

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 8:21 GMT)

Well Done Tony Grieg! One of the greatest speeches I have ever ever heard after Dravid's speech in Bradman Oration... Hats Off

Posted by MrBrightside92 on (June 27, 2012, 8:21 GMT)

I think it's great that a particularly topic brings all the extremes together and pretty much agree with the key points, though I agree with some about the dubious 'Spirit of cricket' link. Wombats, RandyOz, CptM (those are the ones I saw) putting down their chest beating ways to find common ground. Made me truly weep (to paraphrase jonesys view of the state of WI cricket...). All cricket fans are keen stakeholders in the accuracy of umpiring decisions...would India have won in Australia if Bucknor's decisions could've been reviewed? With one of the issues being too much cricket, test cricket especially will have shorter series (Ashes excepted) so umpiring decisions will not only affect matches but also series. I think BCCI missed a trick...they could've said ok...but we want this this and this...just to say no point blank is not good negotiation..

Posted by waqassaif on (June 27, 2012, 8:17 GMT)

well, at least someone has courage to criticise the policies of BCCI among the ex-players..........!!!

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 8:04 GMT)

The biggest issue is the reluctance of the BCCI to engage (or at least pretend to engage) in any form of meaningful dialog. Maybe it's time for the real cricket-loving indians to form a new governing body with an international outlook - and leave the BCCI to the IPL. Best outcome for everyone I think.

Posted by amitgarg78 on (June 27, 2012, 8:03 GMT)

What was that phrase about pot calling the kettle black? Mr. Greig was the original proponent of commercialization in cricket so it doesn't sound too good coming from him, which is not to say that all that he said was wrong. But first ICC should Make the technology better, ensure its affordable to individual boards and then implement or else subsidize it for people who can't afford it. Can't expect India to foot all bills. And then, ensure that the system serves its original purpose of eliminating howlers and discourage its strategic use in 50-50 chances. That's the way to win public support. Else, India vs. the rest is an image that doesn't go down well with the paying audience that is largely Indian. Am glad that he touched on history of Australian and English rule coz that ain't covered in glory either. This is how ppl felt when the larger interests of the game were ignored earlier. BCCI is not perfect. Neither is the world we live in. Some force is needed to keep balance.

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 7:59 GMT)

Greig has made a lot of good points here in regards to the spirit of the game; however, the subtle envy is fairly obvious. Australia and England still try their hardest to have a successful T20 tournament. In fact, here in Australia,T20 was re-branded and glossed during the last summer. However, it failed due to poor crowd backing. I'm not sure about England, but it still doesn't seem to make a decent revenue. I understand quality of cricket and financial gain is totally different.

1) IPL defines cricket's short dosage for people who hardly are interested in the long formats.

2) Accuracy of the technology is arguable. Hence it's opinionated. Greig's or Greg's opinion is not final.

3) Spirit of the game is the most used and the least adhered cliche in cricket.

So let the game evolve based on what people want from it. Purists would argue... why not bring back indefinite tests? You got my vote for that. Hate stalemates, both in soccer / cricket... or lawn bowling

Posted by javed.agrawala on (June 27, 2012, 7:51 GMT)

BCCI is flexing its muscles and they are big! Doesn't make their stance correct, though. What a sorry excuse that since DRS is not 100% accurate let us not even try for 95% or thereabouts!!! If life's experimentations were to be withheld until a 100% guarantee was available where would medical science and the like be? And what of hope to the terminally ill; the equivalent of cricket's umpiring howlers?

If not DRS what are the cheaper alternatives? BCCI can justifiably present a case for an alternative cheaper remedy but it should be scientifically backed. BCCI should not be alienated but brought into mainstream thought. Good and fair cricket is everyone's aim in the final context.

Greig's article raises more than a few important points for BCCI to respond to. and hopefully they will present a better main argument than the " less than 100% accurate one" when denigrating DRS. The respectful position that BCCI commands would be further elevated if they were to accept their error.

Posted by wiseshah on (June 27, 2012, 7:49 GMT)

tony greig is so right. finally some one shows his gut

Posted by Rafelgibt on (June 27, 2012, 7:49 GMT)

Im really 100% agree with Mr. Tony...........He said what i always wanted to say.........No doubt IND is the big boss of world cricket right now........But they shouldn't behave like the bad big brother rather they should be more careful about his elder brothers ensuring the improvement of CRICKET as a whole.......

Posted by TissaPerera on (June 27, 2012, 7:48 GMT)

Well said Sir. We need more brave people like You. !

Posted by nuzly on (June 27, 2012, 7:45 GMT)

IPL has to be the most boring event of all time. now that TV viewers are dropping drastically it will eventually die. should rather focus on implementing DRS whether india likes it or not.

Posted by PrasPunter on (June 27, 2012, 7:37 GMT)

Cant agree more to what Greig says !! Why cant all the other nations come together and push india out ? Then there would obviously be no choice for india to fall in line. Surprising on why Aus/Eng/SA arent taking a lead on this. Aus missed a golden chance to put india in its proper place when it caved in back in 2008 after the Sydney test. As an Aussie , felt really bad for being thoroughly let-down by our own board and giving in to that board's demands. Now the cricketing world pays the price !!

Posted by ZMPK on (June 27, 2012, 7:36 GMT)

100% Agreed with Tony Greig .. he said what all cricket lover wanted to said

Posted by veerakannadiga on (June 27, 2012, 7:25 GMT)

No matter how much this issue is debated, the bottom line is, DRS is not going to be made mandatory. I for one feel that this gentleman's game is no more a gentleman's game. LBW's & close catches, I can understand, but when a batsman snicks the ball why can't he just walk? There was something very old fashioned called Moral,Ethics,Honesty etc.. where has it disappeared? Players who do not walk after edging the ball should be penalised heavily by the match refree, like a 2 match ban or something on these lines. The 3rd umpire should call the faulting batsman's bluff and overrule the on field umpire's decision.

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 7:19 GMT)

The problem with DRS is it is not full proof and most of the time it gone wrong. Field umpire decisions are more reliable than this. The main problem is we don't have more quality umpires. Instead of producing more qualified umpires if we go with the half cooked system things will become more complicated. That is what exactly happening. For example deviation of the ball as per the Hawk eye is not accurate. Hot spot not picking the thin edges.

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 6:51 GMT)

The world needs to thank India for what it has done to cricket over the past few years but they need to think past themselves now. DRS is the need of the time and they should go for it. More and more tests are being decided with lesser and lesser acrimony due to umpire's decisions being verified via technology.

Posted by Jack_Tka on (June 27, 2012, 6:50 GMT)

TEST CRICKET will only die in India. ITS NOT A GLOBAL PHENOMENON. The only thing that has changed is the Indian population orientation towards entertaining cricket: both outside India and inside India. Other nation's TEST players get money out of IPL and still perform for their TEST team. In India, its not happening. Indian cricket administrators have successfully marketed (read: COMMERCIALISED) the sports called CRICKET which the international bodies have been unable to do. This resulting in power shift from the international body to a national body. Its quite evident where the current cricketing power lies. And looking at the way things are going, Cricket will be marketed for the sake of money, by that national body. An eventual balance needs to reached, where money is not the sole goal, but survival of genuine sport is prime target.

Posted by suve on (June 27, 2012, 6:39 GMT)

Completley Agree 100% with Tony Greig, Well Done Sir.

Posted by venbas on (June 27, 2012, 6:35 GMT)

Now what prevents countries like Australia, England and South Africa to gang up against India and create more pressure. Forget about the IPL/CL money go. You have your leagues which are sucessfull anyway. Get the NZ/WI players to your leagues. Now that leaves only India, Pak, SL and Bangaladesh. India wont play Pak and NO ONE bothers to watch India-SL or India-Bangladesh matches. Ofcourse some of the Associates might suffer for finances due to this. However BCCI will have no options then and fall in line quickly.

Posted by maddy20 on (June 27, 2012, 6:33 GMT)

@Andrew Ward Umpires like Simon Taufel, Asad Rauf, Aleem Dar etc., deliver decisions with near 100% accuracy. Compare that to spending 100,000$/day for both hawkeye and hotspot. ICC is better off creating some sort of training programme so that more such umpires can be trained and the best part is affordability does not play a role in case of elite umpires. @Tony Greig Ultimate it all does come down to cheques and balances. Care to speculate any other reason, why you left international cricket to join a rebel cricket league , if not for money?

Posted by takenaback on (June 27, 2012, 6:31 GMT)

@ Aaron Johnman I agree with this wholeheartedly. The BCCI tries to find other reasons for voting against DRS when they are just fearful of losing wickets because of it. Generally when everybody else is in favour of something and you are not the problem lies with yourself, come on BCCI stop being so stubborn.

Posted by anver777 on (June 27, 2012, 6:31 GMT)

Well said Greig !!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 6:19 GMT)

Well done Tony, its nice to see more and more cricket legends standing up to BCCI's rule over the ICC. Which we all know is bringing the game down. First it was Michael Holding who stood up in a press conference in the last MCC lecture. Hope that more people would stand up to them.

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 6:07 GMT)

Well Mr Greig this what Australia (ACB) and England (ECB) have done with the Asian counterparts for almost a decade, now when India is the decision maker you have some issues with it. There is no doubt it is more politics then sports regarding these sort of issues but now it is India who dicate the terms and not England or Australia. Without the money no one will be playing that much or cricket or putting their life in cricket apart from asian coutries where cricket is still religion. We did not had DRS for more than 100 years and cricket is still "Gentleman's Game" so DRS should be left to individual boards.

Posted by KishorKumar25 on (June 27, 2012, 6:06 GMT)

The title of this article, doesnt really summerises what Tony really said. And sadly BCCI will read only the title.

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 5:57 GMT)

Grieg is right, BCCI looks for money and nothing else. BCCI is killing Test Cricket and makes T20 priority.Because of this young generation cricketers not able to play not more than 10-20 Overs in a ODI or Test. Because of this Indian Audience lost interest in Tests, where not many guys are showing fighting spirit to defend wicket which T20 does not value wicket.As an Indian cricket follower,the days are gone where you see a batsman batting for more than 2 sessions or a day in test cricket.

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 5:56 GMT)

someone should first read tony grieg's twitter timeline and his tirade against india before reading this ...

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 5:53 GMT)

Tony Greig speaks for a generation brought up on test cricket and is still under the illusion that cricket is still only a five day game.For those under thirty, T20 is where they are prepared to put money and it is the format that decides in three hours a better team. The technical level in T20 has improved to the level that each of 120 deliveries bowled have to be accounted.The intensity for each minute spent batting,bowling or fielding on the field is unmatched by test or fifty overs cricket. DRS in T20 will only slow down the game and will not impact the final result compared to other versions. World over, on our TV screens we have seen majority of spectators in stadiums are retired.

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 5:51 GMT)

I've always rated Tony Grieg. Always keen to front up to the big issues

Posted by sm77e on (June 27, 2012, 5:40 GMT)

Why is BCCI so afraid of DRS. We agree it is not perfect. However, it is better than bad umpire decisions. If DRS is 93 percent accurrate vs 70 percent accurate umpires then I would vote for DRS.

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 5:22 GMT)

how can BCCI be a leader if they do exactly what goras say

Posted by Stieprox on (June 27, 2012, 5:22 GMT)

Tony Greig is absolutely spot on......hats off to him

Posted by Udendra on (June 27, 2012, 5:17 GMT)

very true speech. BCCI has tremendous ego & they don't see how its damaging the cricketing world.

Posted by Kedars_DT on (June 27, 2012, 5:17 GMT)

I agree to what Tony says. Right now the DRS might be 90-95% accurate. So instead of accepting it and improving it all the time, BCCI wants to not use it and ensure the on-field umpires carry the game forward with an effiicieny of less than 90%. If there is technology available then it should be used to the fullest and by using it we are not doing any harm to umpire's reputation as teams won't be allowed to challenge each of his decision. BCCI is under the wrong impression that if its team suffered once or twice due to DRS, it is always going to suffer. Had DRS been used in 2008, then the result of the famous India-Australia Sydney test match would have been completely different when Indians complained of poor on-field umpiring. If BCCI is opposing DRS then they loose the moral right of complaining against poor umpiring in future. They have an option available which they aren't accepting. ICC should make it compulsory and if BCCI opposes it let it do so, end of day BCCI is NOT ICC.

Posted by satish619chandar on (June 27, 2012, 5:15 GMT)

@Posted by on (June 27 2012, 02:18 AM GMT) : Yes.. Absolutely correct.. It is what Indians too want.. We don' want a DRS with expensive technology which creates havoc for the 50-50 decisions.. We want to have a DRS with replays alone to eliminate the howlers.. Why not ICC think about it? 50-50 decisions stay with umpire decision and the howlers only overturned..

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 4:55 GMT)

How come with such a selfish board no Indian player retires out of depression (Trescothick, Yardy) or schedule fatigue (Petersen). We must be lacking such wise and concerned Englishmen as Tony Bhai. Will DRS improve the game - I doubt it. However, foreign boards making space for domestic professional leagues will help identify new talent and improve player remuneration.

Posted by nikhilbengeri on (June 27, 2012, 4:44 GMT)

Had we used DRS in the India Australiya Sydney test (2007/08), WE WOULD NEVER WON THE PERTH TEST.. (Yes.. Perth Test) The umpiring dicisions jus changed the course of the tournament.. Even I agree with BCCI in not opting the DRS when it not 100% accurate.. As said by so many here, the half decisions are taken frm umpires' point of view. Y..?? Watever the course, the ultimate decision is taken by the umpire.. (Sometimes against DRS.). As far as Tony Greig is concerned, I guess if IPL was there during his times, he would have been standing and delivering the speech urging all nations to 'create a window for IPL'... But felt great that BCCI is 'main part' of the MCC Speech, and not the overall cricket..

Posted by Samar_Singh on (June 27, 2012, 4:40 GMT)

BCCI pls don't kill the spirit and the game of cricket just for India interest only ... This is no good .. Tony Greig Spot on and well said..

Posted by moncho on (June 27, 2012, 4:28 GMT)

india is not interested about test cricket due to certain reasons, first of all the indians dont have the team to be successful in tests , they have reached the top test ranking once but that was mainly due to the tests played in placid indian batting pitches, their overseas record speaks volumes of the indian team, the show is likely to get even more dismal for the indians as their main man overseas the great dravid is no longer available, and on top of that india these days dont even win subcontinent regularly as they dont have the bowling, they never ever had good seamers nd now they donot even have spinners as well, i think its high time that the BCCI should stop trying running world cricket and concentrate on their own team,which now only talks about the ipl

Posted by hailriq on (June 27, 2012, 4:21 GMT)

Posted by Manojverkot on (June 27, 2012, 4:21 GMT)

I totally agree with Mr. Tony Greig. I am an Indian and a great supporter of Indian team, but the BCCI is acting as if they are the ICC, in better words, ICC should have the right to tell boldly that the DRS to be used in all the matches and all the boards should abide the policy. As Mr. Greig said, BCCI is behind money and they are not bothered about international matches and they think they are the superpower board in cricket, which will eventually make the downfall of Indian Cricket. Pity you BCCI....

Posted by emverce on (June 27, 2012, 4:20 GMT)

Tony Greg is of the mark here. Everyone has their own interpretation of the "Spirit of Cricket". However it is important for the BCCI to remember that they server Indian Crickets, Crickets and Fans alone, and no one else. The IPL is beneficial to India in very tangible ways and the BCCI has a dharma to nurture it and not make it a sacrificial lamb to Test cricket that very few in India watch.

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 4:11 GMT)

I have been a great fan of UDRS and this should be mandatory at any cost..why can't stop talking about India in each and every issue in Cricket.....

Posted by YS_USA on (June 27, 2012, 3:46 GMT)

George Dobell has given unnecessary anti-india spin to Tony's lecture. If you read the actual whole lecture of Tony, he does not mean what George is implying.

Posted by ParasBerawala on (June 27, 2012, 3:45 GMT)

Tony Grieg on morality and 'spirit of cricket'. Followed by a discussion panel with Stuart Broad on it. Why is this article not on Page 2?

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 3:30 GMT)

Well Said Tony...spot on...

Posted by SLChampika on (June 27, 2012, 3:29 GMT)

Well done Mr.Tony Grieg.great speech for every one who love cricket.Cricket governing body should hear points that made by Grieg.specially ICC should make DRS compulsive every country.India case for opponent to DRS is their batsman fear for LBW decision go agains them.they know they are weak in forward defense. ICC should pressure BCCI to implement DRS on Indian cricket too.Except India all other countries 100% like for use DRS for every format of cricket.So why ICC cant make DRS compulsive every game of cricket.If so that will protect the sprite of cricket. That should be every one wish.

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 2:59 GMT)

Whatever world says BCCI is the saviour of this game when all nations were behind soccer. BCCI well done ....

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 2:59 GMT)

In all fields and all spheres of human life today technology is being used wherever possible, even when its not 100percent foolproof. For example the lie detector test isn't foolproof: spymaster are trained to deceive the lie detector. But the lie detector has been used everywhere since its invention. Similarly, even if the DRS isn't perfect, since the accuracy level is higher than the human witness on the ground, we must accept the DRS technology and make use of it.

Posted by satish619chandar on (June 27, 2012, 2:56 GMT)

The main issue with DRS is its usage.. Yes the hotspot or the ball tracker is 90% perfect.. But who knows what is the wrong 10%.. The technology is flawed for sure.. Why use it at such a high cost? Who will pay for it? ICC? ICC gets money from? BCCI? Too many inconsistencies.. The umpires rule the decision which clip the stump as UMPIRE's call.. But there is a equal chance that it can miss the stump too.. Why not the more than 50% included in that also? There are too much inconsistency in usage of the flawed technology too.. Snicko gives sound but no mark in hotspot.. What should the umpire do? No sound or deflection but mark in hotspot.. What will the decision be? All this are absolute concerns from the BCCI but no response from ICC.. Why not ICC propose a DRS with superslowmo replays and pitch map without ball tracking? What stops them to use low cost and absolute shocker eliminating option rather than a costly DRS perfect only in removing howlers..

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 2:54 GMT)

test cricket is not in as bad a state as the media and india would lead us to believe. matches in australia, england and south africa are still pulling in very healthy crowds, games in the sub-contient may not be doing quite so well but i think the answer to this is reasonably straight foward. it comes down to the pitches, right now they are low, slow and produce more often than not boring cricket, people want to see an exciting test match where bat and ball are equal. recently in australia pitches have had more grass and have produced better games of cricket, gone is the era where people are happy to watch teams makes 600 and the opposition follow that up with 700, people want to see wickets and batsmen earn their runs. maybe india is producing these pitches to dull the game and lead people to t20, i dont know, but it seems that if india want to generate more interest in test cricket, producing better pitched would be a good start.

Posted by sarangsrk on (June 27, 2012, 2:26 GMT)

Though I agree with the general perception that BCCI is not giving enoughimportance to test cricket, it would be unfair to blame everything on IPL. Aren't other cricket boards following the suit and trying to create their own T20 league as successful as IPL? IPL is good for cricket but BCCI should invest that money in developing good domestic cricket and pitches so that test cricket can be sustained. On DRS, I don't agree with Tony Greig/ICC.I have seen too many howlers with DRS not just against India but also other teams. Also, I don't understand the logic of going with umpires decision if even less than half the ball is hitting the stumps. If its hitting the stumps, its OUT no matter how much part of the ball hits it. In my opinion, DRS shud be used to see where the ball landed and see if there was any inside edge for all LBW decisions.projected path is not convincing enough and even Hot Spot was not scientifically accurate as we saw in Ind-Eng series last year.

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 2:18 GMT)

Why does it have to be 100% accurate? it was never brought in to correct the 50/50 decisions, it was brought in to take out the howlers 93% accurate or whatever exactly it is is fine. Grow up.

Posted by mngc1 on (June 27, 2012, 2:02 GMT)

In the recent series between England and WI there were 10 wrong decisions in 16 innings representing about 33 - 40 % of decisions reviewed. It was worse in the Sri Lanka vs Pakistan test match. Are you serious that Hawkeye is worse than that? No way. This is conclusive evidence and the marginal decision where the ball clips the stump should be not out. There were 10 in the England WI series and English batsmen got the BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT and their bowlers the BENEFIT OF THE OUT. Remove the "on field decision".

Posted by   on (June 27, 2012, 1:42 GMT)

Well said, Tony Greig. This might be the first time in my life I agree with him - generally not a fan of his commentary.

Posted by MBarath on (June 27, 2012, 1:34 GMT)

why is no one talking about improving the standard of umpiring. the standard of umpiring has gone down so much that we are asking for the DRS even when we know DRS is not 100% accurate. India's tour of England had enuf evidence that hotspot is not accurate then why pitching for the technology? improve the technology and convince all the boards and am sure everyone will come on board

Posted by SuperStar_XI on (June 27, 2012, 1:34 GMT)

but what does he wants ...to stop IPL??..and why he urges England to start a IPL equivalent competion

Posted by ikmal--syd on (June 27, 2012, 1:25 GMT)

tony is 110% correct, well done mate, this is for the better of cricket, don't think india will listen though, hope they do.

Posted by Gabbagod on (June 27, 2012, 0:53 GMT)

@Nadeem. It has nothing to do with anti India. Why do you always assume we are against Indians ? We are simply against a stance by the BCCI to not introduce DRS to get rid of the howlers in cricket. It should not be about reversing the 50/50 decisions, it should be about reversing the shockers. I am all for the third umpire being in charge of the referral not the skippers. Or for an incorrect referral to be a 25 run penalty. Don't even get started on the T20 either. After the whitewash in Australia, these forums were packed with Indian fans slamming the BCCI for ignoring Test cricket. I dont want our generations' contribution to this great sport being remembered as the one that killed Test cricket.

Posted by Dr.Vindaloo on (June 27, 2012, 0:43 GMT)

Don't often agree with TG but he is 100% right on this one. Unbelievable that BCCI should continue to stick its head in the sand. Just childish and comical now.

Posted by straight_drive4 on (June 27, 2012, 0:33 GMT)

Wow. ive gotta be honest and say its the first time ive actually agreed with tony grieg. very good speech. well done for standing up to india

Posted by RandyOZ on (June 27, 2012, 0:07 GMT)

Usually don't like Grieg but this was a great lecture that really said everything that everyone is thinking.

Posted by goldeneye075 on (June 26, 2012, 23:34 GMT)

Rightly said sir " Tony Greig" !!! You do have a back bone to stand and deliver like that.. well said. I 100% behind you on this.. Cricket is a global game and it belongs to every nation and every cricket fan, and for the game to move forward the technology should be implimented.. Wake up , we are not in the "Stone Age '' any more. It might not 100% correct but it is much much better than what we saw in the last test match played between Sri lanka vs PAK,

Posted by 2.14istherunrate on (June 26, 2012, 23:34 GMT)

Mostly Grieg is correct in his resume and rebuke.

Posted by MrPontingToYou on (June 26, 2012, 23:33 GMT)

well said tony. pity the icc is spineless.

Posted by   on (June 26, 2012, 23:12 GMT)

@benbarn - your last statement is the crux of the argument. "If it's not 100% accurate then one should rather go with a human umpire."

That's been the line from the BCCI all along - but the question is: why? Surely if it's more accurate than a human umpire then we should use it. It doesn't need to be perfect - just better.

Posted by GreenGoat on (June 26, 2012, 22:37 GMT)

I think DRS shud be implemented - technology is never perfect - if u wait till a system is developed that takes everything (dew, ball age, pitch factors etc) into consideration - u will be waiting forever. most technological achievements have a degree of accuracy and a low incidence of mistakes - if u dont believe this, never get on an airplane. with time systems will improve.

However, blaming India is not the answer to get the system up and running - they had a bad experience with it, like with any system bad experiences are going to be averaged out with the good and the fair in the long run. World cricket must find a way to fund it without depending on India cos I sympathize with them on this as currently it looks like the world will agree and India will bear most of the cost - which is not fair. ~SL cricket fan, who wished DRS was in place so that our victory over Pak was not tainted by bad umpiring.

Posted by brittop on (June 26, 2012, 22:30 GMT)

@benbarn: You're not serious are you? An umpire taking all those things into consideration! Wind speed! Humidity level!

Posted by Sehwag_Is_Ordinary on (June 26, 2012, 22:29 GMT)

OH BOY can we see Tony in IPL commentary panel

Posted by bharath0709 on (June 26, 2012, 22:09 GMT)

I still cant understand why people comment on IPL ,there is lot of follow up ,huge crowds in stadium ,not only in India but in SA also ...thats good for cricket is it not ? all the cricket lovers should support this

Posted by   on (June 26, 2012, 21:53 GMT)

guys cricket doesnt need to be commercialized why has the cricket survive for so long is because of non commercialization what do u ppl think in the eras of Len hutton Donald Bradman there was billions of dollars spend on cricket no cricket was a real game with to much money people are just spending all their time in ipl or big bash players like symonds pollard harbhajan lee only play twenty twenty cricket and people are losing interest in test matches and odi cricket in next ten years there wont be any test cricket as teams are not bringing talent with temperament players like akmal.kohli.duminy can score good 20 or 30 runs in test cricket but cant play 300 balls to save the test.In the early 90s players were selected if they have temperament now they are selected if they have good links with senior players like dhoni has good links with ashwin raina or misbah has with hafeez and rehman we need no 20 over game it will kill test cricket and look wid no drs their were 12 mistakes

Posted by zuber21886 on (June 26, 2012, 21:50 GMT)

why would India accept DRS, and what is the problem with England, they use DRS in their matches, except with India, if a country doesn't feel that a technology is not accurate they have right to not accept it, what is wrong in that, this is clear jealousy of England, which is evident by many incidents in recent times and now this speech by Greig. And if India is supporting other countries then what else do u expect. Yes this might be true that India more focuses on IPL then tests, which should be improved.

Posted by yogi.s on (June 26, 2012, 21:40 GMT)

I agree with most of the criticism levelled against the bcci here. I personally feel bcci's reluctance is due to the financial expenses involved and they are hiding that behind the drs's imperfection. In many cases even if both countries involved are willing to use drs it is not affordable so I think its important to have a thorough discussion on how drs is going to be financed. This might help in changing the bcci's viewpoint but just criticizing the bcci and its supporters like ravi shastri is not going to get us anywhere. Alternatively, in case drs is not acceptable to bcci why not just have a pitchmat and slow motion replays?? This will most surely reduce the howlers like inside edges and pitched outside leg. This much can surely be done why this insistence on having drs or nothing?

Posted by   on (June 26, 2012, 21:28 GMT)

Tony Grieg is one of the best commentator,he is absolutely right. DRS should be allowed, while India should play role of big brother

Posted by bharath74 on (June 26, 2012, 21:26 GMT)

Without money this beautiful game cannot survive and that is the truth, may be IPL has commercialized this game but, it is attracting a lot of young kids. That is good for indian cricket. If the other boards cant find a solution to depleting interests for the game, they have to search for it rather than blaming IPL.

Posted by   on (June 26, 2012, 21:25 GMT)

Does it mean that only india know cricket well(100% pefection blah blah..) and others are not?as the whole cricket nation are favouring for DRS apart from india.if it is so..india should not play any international cricket...only domestic and ipl....

Posted by Ben2014 on (June 26, 2012, 21:22 GMT)

Let's face it. India did try the DRS. Every time they did, they were rubbed the wrong way, big time. Why the hell would they offer themselves as sacrificial lamb? I am not in favour of it till you get a system that inculcates the age of the ball, moisture, humidity level, wind speed, sound (or snicko as some may call it), hot-spot and some outstanding physicists' input. If you miss one aspect of these, the system is a failure. Do we have that system? Human umpires take all these into consideration. I agree they are not 100% accurate but can any physicist guarantee that the DRS with the current technology is 100% accurate? Even if it is 90% accurate, it is a failure. One should rather go with a human umpire.

Posted by Naresh28 on (June 26, 2012, 21:20 GMT)

The GOOD that will come out is that someone has spoken and since its Greg it will have some impact. BCCI should take heed. Some of the points raised are valid. Test cricket needs India. BCCI should be made up of more ex-cricketers and less businessmen and politicians.

Posted by a133936 on (June 26, 2012, 21:19 GMT)

People who think (or want to believe) that technology is "not perfect" must not watched or read about 500 umpiring mistakes in the first test at Galle between Pak vs Sri Lanka. Are those people naive, stupid or think other people stupid that other people will buy that argument?

Posted by SanjivAwesome on (June 26, 2012, 21:18 GMT)

I agree with Tony - commercialisation is an ugly wart on my beautiful game of cricket. But was Tony right to use the esteemed Cowdrey platform to state what is already widely known by all?

Posted by   on (June 26, 2012, 21:18 GMT)

I have not even read this fully and still i agree that Greig is absolutely correct that the BCCI is pre occupied with IPL and T20 and only making money and never much that includes something beneficiary in the interests or development of the game,be it the modern game or the older form..

Posted by SirViv1973 on (June 26, 2012, 21:14 GMT)

@Nadeem1976, Come on BCCI is doin plenty wrong, IPL is why WI cannot pick their strongest team, SRL, Ban & Pak have backed them in the past so why are they not prepared to allow franchises in these countries to spread their wealth ? BCCI would not even let ind players play in SLPL last year or even allow them to host a couple of IPL games, I could go on. DRS wasn't available under Eng/Aus watch & they are not the only ones critcizing BCCI stance the rest of the cricketing world is in agreement that it is good for the game & should be used. To me it is clear that the IPL and test cricket can coexist but the BCCI needs to be prepared to make some serious compromises in a number of areas.

Posted by Game_Gazer on (June 26, 2012, 21:13 GMT)

Why do people crave for DRS time and again ?!! Does it not rob one of the inherent beauties of this great game, 'umpiring errors' that turn a match's result on its head? I mean, How many times have we seen umpiring injustice inspiring the victim's team to raise the level of their game to restore 'justice', in the process, engaging the audience to a great theater! and, How many time have we seen these errors help build up a sense of purpose/rivalry between the audiences of competing teams?

I think a sport is more enjoyable with human errors, for they at once reveal the true characters of the players & the audience, and gives historians & romantics some incidents to passionately recall !! I don't believe we should correct every flaw just because we can! Don't rob the game of its beauties & richness! Sports is not engineering !

Posted by 5wombats on (June 26, 2012, 21:10 GMT)

Well said Tony. Something as perfect as the Greatest Game should not be left in the tender care of the BCCI.

Posted by   on (June 26, 2012, 20:57 GMT)

Tony Greig has got some Valid points. here. BTW, involvement with ICL is not a crime!!

Posted by inoor on (June 26, 2012, 20:55 GMT)

Oh dear!!!!!! Tony, I am going to miss the passion and honesty of your commentary in the IPL and India's home fixtures.........

Posted by   on (June 26, 2012, 20:49 GMT)

Wow , When England and Australia vetoed every thing back then no one cared to speak about that .. Now everyone is screaming against BCCI... i will tell them get lost !! who cares !! Bring it on IPL 6 :)

Posted by Carpathian on (June 26, 2012, 20:44 GMT)

T20 is Americanised entertainment, anti-cricket.

Posted by abdeen on (June 26, 2012, 20:44 GMT)

i am indian thank you very much I agree with Tony.

Posted by ansram on (June 26, 2012, 20:36 GMT)

Too little money and you suffer. Too much of it and you suffer more. Money driven sport will destroy itself because there will be never be true passion for the game.

Posted by JohnnyRook on (June 26, 2012, 20:21 GMT)

Why exactly should IPL be expanded into an Asian League or for that matter an ICC League. I am no fan of IPL but it is Indian Property. Indians have invested in it and have done all the work on it. Why should Pak, SL and BD get a share of that for free. I suggest you just practice what you preach and give a big chuck of your personal money to your neightbours in the name greater good and spirit and all the stuff you are talking about.

Posted by m0se on (June 26, 2012, 20:14 GMT)

I remember a few years ago when DRS started, some matches in India didn't have them because DRS contained sensitive military technology from outside India. From that, I always wonder who owns the technology behind DRS, what sort of security during usage is required and how much it costs.

Posted by ahilcool on (June 26, 2012, 20:14 GMT)

i would certainly agree with Tony Greig (Creig in pronunciation).The massive defeat of Pakistan against Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka was only due to unexplainable umpiring. This issue should not be monitored by India just because they have the highest numbers of shareholders amongst the ICC playing teams. DRS should not only be implemented in ODI and Test cricket but also T20 Cricket to avoid future misconception. If this matter is taken into consideration, the problem of misunderstanding will become a problem of the past.

Posted by   on (June 26, 2012, 20:10 GMT)

England are the so called founder of the game and ruled the cricketing world for so long....But they neither had the vision nor the intentions to take the game to another level.....India on the other hand has changed the whole scenario as far as the commercialization of cricket is concern which only benefited the game and the players world over.....although i agree that India should be more flexible towards accepting the recommendations made to ICC....but it hurts when anybody as esteem as Tony say all this rubbish and relates it to spirit of cricket.....

Posted by JohnnyRook on (June 26, 2012, 20:10 GMT)

Unfortunately whole DRS issue has become hotspot/haweye issue. SL Board doesn't have money to pay its players but still wants DRS with all feature and of course expects ICC to pay for it, which means indirectly India should pay for it. I say DRS can consist just of simple TV replays and it will eliminate all howlers. Almost all bad decisions in recent SL-Pak match could have been fixed just by a simple pitch mat and a TV replay. But people just don't consider that option because they want something fancy and cool not something useful and within means.

Posted by SriLa72 on (June 26, 2012, 20:04 GMT)

Well siad Mr. Tony G. Thank you for making use of the opportunity you were given to let the cricketing world know the reality of Indian Cricket and where it is today. It is unfortunate that such a great Cricket playing nation stoop down to such low levels. We need more such voices and hopefully can make a difference to the betterment of world cricket. ADM USA

Posted by   on (June 26, 2012, 19:57 GMT)

First of all, the DRS and Hot Spot are flawed technologies to be implemented, in their current form. Being a physicist, I can see the way Hot Spot and Ball tracker is being implemented, is nothing but a joke. There are immediate questions : 1) The camera can count the frames per second from the release of the ball, but not after it pitches ( Accurately though ). There are lot of factors like wind and assistance from pitch that defy the physics law. 2) There is not definition of ball behavior in its old or new form. If a ball is brand new, it will have more carry compared to older ball. Now, coming to commercial aspect, some of the countries do not have the budget to implement the technology with all the cameras required.

Finally, to you Mr. Tony Greig, If you really speak your heart, what the hell were you doing in ICL? Accept the fact that you cannot digest the fact that India has provided a new dimension to cricket with IPL.

Posted by   on (June 26, 2012, 19:54 GMT)

BCCI may be thinking of buying next WC :0

Posted by dropzone on (June 26, 2012, 19:49 GMT)

They just devalued the Cowdrey lecture. This is the guy who promised to make the Windies grovel and attempted to run out Kallicharran in 1974 at the end of day keeping in with the spirit of the game.

Posted by gmoturu on (June 26, 2012, 19:47 GMT)

i am indian and completely agree with tony. bcci's attitude can only lead to its downfall.

Posted by pak94fan on (June 26, 2012, 19:44 GMT)

While I have much respect for India for its immense contributions to cricket, I find this article to be true on most points. However, the ICC must share some of the blame here since they have let BCCI get away with anything and everything majority of the time. While I believe that the current DRS system is good enough to be introduced to cut out majority of mistakes made by umpires, it also makes sense that over time it should be integrated into cricket in a better way, so that teams' appeals aren't required to ensure the correctness of decisions. There are a number of options that could make this work, but for that to happen, everyone needs to get on the same page.

Posted by   on (June 26, 2012, 19:41 GMT)

Cricket is no longer a sport, it's a business. Money is the great god now. And who started this trend. Surprise, surprise. It was Mr Tony Greig and his buddy boy Kerry Packer !

Posted by   on (June 26, 2012, 19:40 GMT)

@nadeem "...now its time for India to rule" - and that's Greig's point ! NOBODY should rule cricket but every country should defer to what the ICC deems to be best for cricket. India are doing exactly what upset them so much when England and Australia veto'ed everything. It was wrong then and it's wrong now.

Posted by TommytuckerSaffa on (June 26, 2012, 19:36 GMT)

T20 and money has corrupted thier souls, no wonder they fear Test cricket, India are infactuated with T20. The end result is a below average test team and hero worship of overrated players. Ask any cricketer, Test cricket is the most challenging and the format you want to do well in the most. This is shamful, bring in DRS now or do we have to wait until SRT retires?

Posted by arun25 on (June 26, 2012, 19:35 GMT)

I think Tony greig is not commentating in IPL, poor guy give him a chance!! Without IPL I dont think India will be a super power in cricket..

Posted by Ramansilva on (June 26, 2012, 19:27 GMT)

Tony Greig has a point. Too much commercialization and IPL are ruining the beauty of the game. Cricket matches are becoming like American sports.

Posted by avmd on (June 26, 2012, 19:27 GMT)

Finaly someone speaking out for the love of the game. Tony, I'm sure all the cricket lovers all ove the world agree with you, except a few ones in India.

Posted by   on (June 26, 2012, 19:25 GMT)

@65 Tony can donate all his money to SL cricket so that they can pay their players their dues

Posted by Indianpunjabi on (June 26, 2012, 19:24 GMT)

WHO CARES ??? INDIA IS INDIA.......

Posted by   on (June 26, 2012, 19:20 GMT)

Let the comment war begin!!!!!!!!bobble bobble bobble

Posted by TorontoMarine on (June 26, 2012, 19:16 GMT)

That's the truth. "because its superstars had such an embarrassing experience with it in the early days", thanks for pointing it out Greig..

Posted by britishcricketfan on (June 26, 2012, 19:13 GMT)

so true... india and BCCI have too much power. what kind of democracy is it when everyone but india vote for DRS, but because BCCI vetoes it, the ruling gets overruled? reminds me of world politics involving USA!!!

Posted by Lovedegame on (June 26, 2012, 19:10 GMT)

I loved Tony at some point, now it looks like he has personnel animosity against some of India's ''Super Stars". I can understand him not liking BCCi but DRS has not proven to be fully watertight, the ball tracking is not even close to being good enough, where as the 'hot spot' is fine. So to blame BCCi and Indian 'Super stars" is not fair.

Posted by Natesan333 on (June 26, 2012, 19:07 GMT)

So basically he is saying, I want your money, but don't be so obsessed with money?!! Yeah that makes sense. There is an old idiom in India and I paraphrase it: You bring the cereal, I will bring the husk, let's combine them, blow on it and eat it together. Now he wants us all to believe that the key word here is "together", how sweet.

Posted by   on (June 26, 2012, 19:04 GMT)

It is easy to judge that someone's action is marked by ill feelings rather than the complicated reality. The same could be applied to BCCI.

It's leadership is saving cricket from non existence in several countries. It has programs to spread cricket across the world and extends to players who would otherwise quit cricket. No bureaucracy is perfect whether it is in India or elsewhere. India rightfully makes it choice in what it defines to be the best interest of the game.

I truly feel DRS issue has been given over importance than what it should be and is often incorrectly symbolized as BCCI flexing muscle over other nations . It is time that we focus on important topics like expanding and saving cricket as opposed to fine tuning it. Eventually fine tuning will happen , but we should not lose sight of the big picture.

Posted by   on (June 26, 2012, 19:00 GMT)

We SriLankans salute you Mr. Greig!!!

Posted by batnpad on (June 26, 2012, 19:00 GMT)

I wish he had said something about bad commentators. Apart from that, nothing new. Everybody knows whats going on out there, and he had just said it. Just like the commentary. Looking forward to the next years lecture.

Posted by Nadeem1976 on (June 26, 2012, 18:54 GMT)

wow look who is talking. England and Australia rule the cricket world for 100 years and now it's time for India to rule and that hurts their feelings now. I don't see India doing any thing wrong with cricket. Their market is not good for test cricket and good for T2020 so they are putting more effort in T2020. What is wrong in that.

I believe that England and Australia don't want to lose their power over cricket and they are criticizing India for no reason. DRS was not part of cricket under england and australian rule now why they want it under Indian rule.

We don't want spirit of cricket at all, we want competitive and not boring sports. please.

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (June 26, 2012, 18:53 GMT)

I agree with most of what Tony Greig has to say BUT I am not so sure about the point where he talks about the ICC's credibility. Does such a thing even exist ? BCCI IS the superpower in world cricket. No nation on this planet has that kind of a power. BUT, the BCCI hasn't done much to even deserve that kind of a power. First of all the situation with the UDRS is an embarrassment for the ICC and the BCCI. The ICC should have enforced the matter on the BCCI or penalized them in some way. No, they don't that. Instead the ICC leaves it to individual countries to choose UDRS. What happens then ? the BCCI with its voting power VETOES the usage of UDRS in all series it plays. The finances come from India. If the UDRS is not used in India, that means no financing towards UDRS technology. It's a shame and the ICC has handled the whole thing miserably. Also, the international calendar is a joke. Too many meaningless fixtures among the bigger nations. Ireland, Zimbabwe etc are ignored.

Posted by CricFin on (June 26, 2012, 18:50 GMT)

>>>the Indian superstars should act in the spirit of cricket and accept the majority viewpoint."

Why should somebody accept immature system like DRS just for the sake for the majority viewpoint

Posted by CricFan78 on (June 26, 2012, 18:48 GMT)

For someone who started in ICL, broke away from world of cricket for packer series this sermon is bit rich.

Posted by a133936 on (June 26, 2012, 18:45 GMT)

Good on you Tony! We need a few folks like to you speak out who are not afraid to lose their IPL commentary contract. All other are to afraid to put BCCI in its place!

Posted by CricFin on (June 26, 2012, 18:42 GMT)

India/ICC and USA/UN ....You get the picture ....

>>>>The DRS is not perfect, but it does err in favour of the umpires' decisions and according to the ICC, fewer mistakes are made with its use. And furthermore, there is less conflict on the ground.

First use it in domestic matches ,fix all the issues and bring it to intl matches.

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