Pakistan in New Zealand 2010-11 February 4, 2011

'We played dumb cricket' - Oram

ESPNcricinfo staff
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Jacob Oram, the New Zealand allrounder, has termed his side's performance in the fifth ODI against Pakistan in Hamilton as "dumb cricket", and said captain Daniel Vettori gave the team an appropriately harsh talk after the match.

Vettori missed the match with a hamstring injury but called a team meeting under the Seddon Park grandstand straight after the match. "Basically Dan kicked the management and support staff out, or maybe they just chose not to come and look us in the eye," Oram said. "For an hour-and-a-half it was just the players in the dressing room and we didn't get back to the hotel till 12.30am."

New Zealand's loss in Hamilton was their 14th in their last 15 completed ODIs, and they have just one more match to play, against Pakistan in Auckland on Saturday, before the World Cup. Ross Taylor had said, after the fifth ODI, that the team was not far away from a win but individuals had to take more responsibility, and Oram said similar themes were discussed in the post-match meeting.

"We're just trying to get to the bottom of what is going on. We're not far away but it's happened too often for it to be just a coincidence. As we said, talent isn't the issue. We all know how good the individuals in this team are. We're not gelling and we're not taking responsibility for winning the match for New Zealand."

Coach John Wright and his assistants Allan Donald and Trent Woodhill were absent from the meeting. Wright took over the coach's job from Mark Greatbatch in December last year, and Donald, the former South Africa fast bowler, joined the team as bowling coach just before the start of the ODI series against Pakistan.

Vettori announced after the Test series he would step down from captaincy after the World Cup, but Oram said he was still very much in charge of the current team. "Dan ran the show. He's captain and he's hurting more than anyone else because this team is his baby. Everyone had their say and there were a lot of home truths spoken.

"There were conversations and it led to debates and arguments but we needed to get a lot of things out in the open. There was some serious honesty. But it will mean nothing if we don't win tomorrow [Saturday] or do well at the World Cup. It will just be another chat. We've got to make sure this big chat means something."

Oram also expressed his disappointment with the apparent lack of composure his team showed in failing to reach Pakistan's 268 in Hamilton - a gettable total on a flat track. New Zealand had two needless run-outs of Jesse Ryder and Scott Styris, and were eventually bowled out for just 227.

Prior to the on-going six-match series, Oram had not played international cricket since August last year, when he had to return home from New Zealand's tri-series in Sri Lanka because of the recurrence of a tendon injury in his knee. He had later said he would consider retirement if he wasn't named in the World Cup squad. He was included for the World Cup and has played in four of the five games in the current series, impressing with his end-over bowling in the fifth match.

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  • akshay4india on February 5, 2011, 8:02 GMT

    @Anand, my comment was not an expert comment. I never said I had any answers, but I just find it funny to hear people talking about bringing back Bond for the world cup and bringing in NL McCullum as a WICKETKEEPER.

  • SixFourOut on February 4, 2011, 23:29 GMT

    Averages don't lie. No one averages 40 in this team, because no one is a 40+ player. They need to learn to take more singles, even one an over means an extra 50 runs in the game.

    Again today the selectors are playing a team with too many bowlers and not a decent 8,9,10. There is no point playing 5 bowlers when you have 3-4 allrounders. It's alright if you have guys averaging 25, 26, but Mills is the only one with an average under thirty, whilst the others average 35 plus, which again is alright if you average 30 with the bat as well.

  • on February 4, 2011, 22:43 GMT

    @ akshay4india: everyone has an opinion which is why we have this space here... as per your comment if NZ Cricket knew all they were doing.. they wouldn't have lost 15 of their last 17 matches... They have a serious issue and THEY DO NOT HAVE ANSWERS... It's a fact... I don't intend to pick up an argument but just responding to your random expert statement (like you thought all the others' comments were...)

  • akshay4india on February 4, 2011, 21:26 GMT

    I really find these comments really funny. Some of these guys seem to think that they are experts in NZ cricket and know more than people in NZ. Seriously, if you only skim through articles on NZ Cricket, then you have no idea what you're talking about.

  • StuL on February 4, 2011, 21:15 GMT

    Nice day in auckland about 27 C with a bit of cloud, there will be some early swing as its quite humid. Guptill's consistency about the only positive so far this series for NZ. Taylor,Ryder and McCullum need to score some runs on the same day.

  • on February 4, 2011, 21:15 GMT

    new zealanders dont have patience at ALL...they get in start to get comfortable but then play rash shots for no reason...in contrast pakistan played very calculated cricket...even though pakistan dusnt have many key players but this young team is really gelling together under GOOD captaincy of afridi and misbah together..vettori should learn form this coz new zealand does not look like one unit...nobodys individual game sparks ever and no one takes responsibility which is alarming considering WC is just around the corner

  • on February 4, 2011, 20:07 GMT

    its your openers that need to click.. HOW does how get out within half hour ALL THE TIME.. i don't get it.. is there very little competition in the domestic circuit?? show some willingness to stay out there folks... don't be in the dressing room more often.. if your best player is Ross.. you've got problems as he isn't consistent in any sense of the word.. Vettori should be so inspirational to all you ppl and yet no results.. sad !! wake up guys!!

  • Subash_P on February 4, 2011, 19:50 GMT

    I think Nz has lot of talent ..I remember thier performance in 1993 world cup. For some reason I think NZ has very strong chance to win this world cup!

  • K-amps on February 4, 2011, 19:48 GMT

    Give Franklin a regular gig in the team (i.e. Move him up the order... maybe 1 down). He seems to be able to stick around for long periods. Let Ryder/ Guptill kill the first 15 overs. Styris/ Taylor can play out 25-45 overs as needed.

  • on February 4, 2011, 19:19 GMT

    Jacob Oram should be the last to talk about playing dumb cricket what about the dumb shot he played that cost him his wicket

  • akshay4india on February 5, 2011, 8:02 GMT

    @Anand, my comment was not an expert comment. I never said I had any answers, but I just find it funny to hear people talking about bringing back Bond for the world cup and bringing in NL McCullum as a WICKETKEEPER.

  • SixFourOut on February 4, 2011, 23:29 GMT

    Averages don't lie. No one averages 40 in this team, because no one is a 40+ player. They need to learn to take more singles, even one an over means an extra 50 runs in the game.

    Again today the selectors are playing a team with too many bowlers and not a decent 8,9,10. There is no point playing 5 bowlers when you have 3-4 allrounders. It's alright if you have guys averaging 25, 26, but Mills is the only one with an average under thirty, whilst the others average 35 plus, which again is alright if you average 30 with the bat as well.

  • on February 4, 2011, 22:43 GMT

    @ akshay4india: everyone has an opinion which is why we have this space here... as per your comment if NZ Cricket knew all they were doing.. they wouldn't have lost 15 of their last 17 matches... They have a serious issue and THEY DO NOT HAVE ANSWERS... It's a fact... I don't intend to pick up an argument but just responding to your random expert statement (like you thought all the others' comments were...)

  • akshay4india on February 4, 2011, 21:26 GMT

    I really find these comments really funny. Some of these guys seem to think that they are experts in NZ cricket and know more than people in NZ. Seriously, if you only skim through articles on NZ Cricket, then you have no idea what you're talking about.

  • StuL on February 4, 2011, 21:15 GMT

    Nice day in auckland about 27 C with a bit of cloud, there will be some early swing as its quite humid. Guptill's consistency about the only positive so far this series for NZ. Taylor,Ryder and McCullum need to score some runs on the same day.

  • on February 4, 2011, 21:15 GMT

    new zealanders dont have patience at ALL...they get in start to get comfortable but then play rash shots for no reason...in contrast pakistan played very calculated cricket...even though pakistan dusnt have many key players but this young team is really gelling together under GOOD captaincy of afridi and misbah together..vettori should learn form this coz new zealand does not look like one unit...nobodys individual game sparks ever and no one takes responsibility which is alarming considering WC is just around the corner

  • on February 4, 2011, 20:07 GMT

    its your openers that need to click.. HOW does how get out within half hour ALL THE TIME.. i don't get it.. is there very little competition in the domestic circuit?? show some willingness to stay out there folks... don't be in the dressing room more often.. if your best player is Ross.. you've got problems as he isn't consistent in any sense of the word.. Vettori should be so inspirational to all you ppl and yet no results.. sad !! wake up guys!!

  • Subash_P on February 4, 2011, 19:50 GMT

    I think Nz has lot of talent ..I remember thier performance in 1993 world cup. For some reason I think NZ has very strong chance to win this world cup!

  • K-amps on February 4, 2011, 19:48 GMT

    Give Franklin a regular gig in the team (i.e. Move him up the order... maybe 1 down). He seems to be able to stick around for long periods. Let Ryder/ Guptill kill the first 15 overs. Styris/ Taylor can play out 25-45 overs as needed.

  • on February 4, 2011, 19:19 GMT

    Jacob Oram should be the last to talk about playing dumb cricket what about the dumb shot he played that cost him his wicket

  • on February 4, 2011, 19:16 GMT

    new zealand is the best team.They need spark to reach what they really desrve which is world cup.They need Band back in action.Read,taylor,styri firing form.

    Bowler

    Bond Oram Franklin Mills Vettori

    Batsman Ryder Guptill Taylor Styris BB McCullum† NL McCullum†

    I dont why cannot they will.I think they need to look at one game at a time.Some time if things dont go well the only thing which you can to is to try 100% with team effort.

  • awesome.ron on February 4, 2011, 19:05 GMT

    Duhh.. Longg time sincee yhu guys played 'good cricket'.. :|

  • LordOfCric on February 4, 2011, 18:55 GMT

    Cricket is all about passion. New zealand played cricket for so long and always make it to the final stages, but never end up on top. Australia, India, Pakistan & Sri Lanka play cricket with passion they know how the people back home will feel if they loss. New zealand team is like ok lads lets go out and enjoy if we win then fine otherwise we will loss the match galdly.

  • Vilander on February 4, 2011, 18:50 GMT

    i think, nz should take this game lightly. no use trying to put yourself down just try to enjoy the game, for instance india has never managed to beat nz in a t20 game ever.

  • on February 4, 2011, 18:50 GMT

    a hopeless team...Get Dan out of the team. A player as well as a selector (Dan), good for nothing.

  • on February 4, 2011, 18:00 GMT

    "We played dumb cricket". Yeah duh, Jake. Yuh think!?!

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  • on February 4, 2011, 18:00 GMT

    "We played dumb cricket". Yeah duh, Jake. Yuh think!?!

  • on February 4, 2011, 18:50 GMT

    a hopeless team...Get Dan out of the team. A player as well as a selector (Dan), good for nothing.

  • Vilander on February 4, 2011, 18:50 GMT

    i think, nz should take this game lightly. no use trying to put yourself down just try to enjoy the game, for instance india has never managed to beat nz in a t20 game ever.

  • LordOfCric on February 4, 2011, 18:55 GMT

    Cricket is all about passion. New zealand played cricket for so long and always make it to the final stages, but never end up on top. Australia, India, Pakistan & Sri Lanka play cricket with passion they know how the people back home will feel if they loss. New zealand team is like ok lads lets go out and enjoy if we win then fine otherwise we will loss the match galdly.

  • awesome.ron on February 4, 2011, 19:05 GMT

    Duhh.. Longg time sincee yhu guys played 'good cricket'.. :|

  • on February 4, 2011, 19:16 GMT

    new zealand is the best team.They need spark to reach what they really desrve which is world cup.They need Band back in action.Read,taylor,styri firing form.

    Bowler

    Bond Oram Franklin Mills Vettori

    Batsman Ryder Guptill Taylor Styris BB McCullum† NL McCullum†

    I dont why cannot they will.I think they need to look at one game at a time.Some time if things dont go well the only thing which you can to is to try 100% with team effort.

  • on February 4, 2011, 19:19 GMT

    Jacob Oram should be the last to talk about playing dumb cricket what about the dumb shot he played that cost him his wicket

  • K-amps on February 4, 2011, 19:48 GMT

    Give Franklin a regular gig in the team (i.e. Move him up the order... maybe 1 down). He seems to be able to stick around for long periods. Let Ryder/ Guptill kill the first 15 overs. Styris/ Taylor can play out 25-45 overs as needed.

  • Subash_P on February 4, 2011, 19:50 GMT

    I think Nz has lot of talent ..I remember thier performance in 1993 world cup. For some reason I think NZ has very strong chance to win this world cup!

  • on February 4, 2011, 20:07 GMT

    its your openers that need to click.. HOW does how get out within half hour ALL THE TIME.. i don't get it.. is there very little competition in the domestic circuit?? show some willingness to stay out there folks... don't be in the dressing room more often.. if your best player is Ross.. you've got problems as he isn't consistent in any sense of the word.. Vettori should be so inspirational to all you ppl and yet no results.. sad !! wake up guys!!