New Zealand v West Indies, 3rd Test, Hamilton, 4th day December 22, 2013

'Some careers are on the line' - Sammy

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Darren Sammy has conceded that careers could be on the line after West Indies' 2-0 series defeat, including his own position as captain. His team's hopes disappeared in a session on the third day in Hamilton as they were skittled for 103, and it was far from a one-off implosion from the West Indies batsmen.

Sammy, as he has throughout, spoke honestly and openly while reflecting on another heavy defeat - West Indies' fourth in five matches - but there was a hollow look in his eyes. When asked if he was "angry", he said he wasn't that type of person - "I have good control over my emotions" - but whereas in Wellington, he watched his side fold in seamer-friendly conditions that favoured New Zealand, in Hamilton, there was little in the surface for the pace bowlers.

Overall, Shivnarine Chanderpaul and Darren Bravo averaged over 60 for the series, and Denesh Ramdin's hundred lifted his figure to 38.40, but then the numbers slip away. Marlon Samuels was the major disappointment, averaging 19.50 while Kieran Powell, who had established himself in the opener's position, was 17.33.

"There are tough decisions to be made by the coach and the director of cricket, some careers are on the line, could be mine as well, you never know," Samy said while he sat alongside West Indies' coach, Ottis Gibson. "We cannot continue like this. In any organisation, you need to show graft and commitment. The coach keeps saying if we do the same thing, don't expect a different result.

"Watch us play when we play well and people say wow, things are moving forward, but it's two steps forward, then three or four backwards. Before we went to India, there were six consecutive Test wins. Then, on the tour of India, we got beaten miserably. We escaped in Dunedin by fighting hard with our backs against the wall. There's a lot of work to do, we just need to be more consistent."

West Indies' next Test series is against New Zealand in the Caribbean more than five months away and, given the regression in their form over the last couple of months on the road, the selectors could well decide a change is needed. Sammy has already been removed from the one-day captain's role, which now belongs to Dwayne Bravo, although he remains the captain of the Twenty20 side that will start as defending champions at the World Twenty20 in Bangladesh.

"At the end of the day, the selectors recommend the captain. If I'm asked to do the job I'd still do it. They'll make the decision," Sammy said.

At tea on the third day at Seddon Park, there were no such remorseful feelings in the West Indies side. Although their lead was only 18, they knew one solid display, leaving a target over 200, would have given Sunil Narine the chance to be a match-winner.

"We came here to good batting conditions, that's not a 103-run pitch, but credit to McCullum and his boys, they had a plan for every batsman and the way their bowlers bowled out under pressure, we didn't have a response," Sammy said. "The batting unit needed partnerships, and we were unable to do that. I don't know what it is, in the end, it's up to us as batsmen to get the necessary runs, even if they're ugly."

At the moment, West Indies' batting is more often ugly for the wrong reasons.

Andrew McGlashan is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • VivGilchrist on December 24, 2013, 0:16 GMT

    Fix the Domestic first-class Competition and things will improve. You are not going to build a great pool of Test cricketers if guys are only playing 5 4 day games a year.

  • delboy on December 23, 2013, 15:46 GMT

    @Basil Springer, well summarized

  • on December 23, 2013, 11:47 GMT

    The problem with West indies is their reluctance to drop under performing players irrespective of their reputation. there are lots of more talented and experienced players waiting outside Ideal xi for west indies in batting order:1.Chris Gayle 2.Johnson Charles 3.Darren Bravo 4. Shivnaraine Chanderpaul 5.Lendl Simmons 6.Dwayne Bravo 7.Dinesh Ramdin 8.Jaison Holder 9.Sunil Naraine 10 Kemor Roach 11 Ravi Rampaul

  • wirus on December 23, 2013, 11:45 GMT

    It is clear that neither Sammy nor Gibson nor the WI selectors have got the point yet. Yes, even after the humiliating and crushing defeats of these past couple months. The fact that Sammy says that if asked to continue he would, tells me that he still sees himself as part of the solution as against being part of the problem. He should have resigned the captaincy before the India tour, having seen the team rise to 6th on the back of winning against the weakest teams in cricket at the time. But he, Gibson and the selectors believe that there is no real problem other than the lads need to "man up." They don't or won't see that nothing other than starting with an almost completely new team, under new leadership is the only way to make small steps forward. Is it a coincidence that WI A teams tend to perform well consistently? I think not. Theirs is a different environment of players fighting to impress. WI need an A team in test cricket.

  • on December 23, 2013, 11:33 GMT

    the problem is people arent even that passionate anymore to protest against the board and yes ottis isnt teaching the guys to swing the ball everybody else is doing this and they have really good death bowlers to and over all i am sick and tired of seeing the same old goats back in the team i honestly am sadden about this as well cricket brings hope and unity to the caribbean now look what its done devision is upon us now

  • Ethel on December 23, 2013, 9:44 GMT

    The first is to get rid of Gibson..........I have been saying that all along. Where do our batsmen see the swinging ball unless they go overseas. We are suppose to have a coach, Gibson, who has not been able to show our bowlers how to swing the ball or even get Best to bowl consecutive ball within 2ft of each other but he is our coach. Can you imagine he wanted to put chanderpaul off the team instead of using him to help guide the youngsters. We did not put him there to be a politician. you have not been doing your job Gibson!!!!!

  • philknight on December 23, 2013, 3:46 GMT

    The decline of cricket in the Caribbean can only be solved by one thing - money. New Zealand has the same problem and 20/20 competitions have damaged the game in both countries. What would I do? 1 - stop all international ODI cricket(50 overs). I would still hold a fifty over world cup every four years. This would be entertaining since it would be rare to see the format and players would have to adapt during the tournament. 2 - all international test series should have at least three tests. 3 - Bangladesh should be developed by being given real tours and a slice of the TV income. 4 - do not reject 20/20 but use it as a way to generate income. However, I would limit the ease with which players can move between tournaments. Only success in international cricket should lead to riches in places like India. Therefore, an age limit (30+) or a set number of test caps would make you eligible. 5 - push for jail sentences and lifetime bans for any form of fixing.

  • on December 23, 2013, 2:53 GMT

    Anyone who was lucky enough to see the 1st test between India & S. Africa which ended in a nail biting draw will get an idea how far from the top w indies are, to see Piillander bat and bowl and Sammy is colled an allrounder?? I read where Sammy said if the selectors asked him to continue as Captain he would be happy to, selectors paleeasse don't.

  • DonclydeBrown on December 22, 2013, 23:24 GMT

    Even though the structure in West Indies cricket is lacking, we still have a set of players with no head or brains. They keep making the same mistakes. NZ is no big team which will be proven when India goes there. Our guys are a set of overpaid jokers with no sense of pride. We can no longer say that they have no experience.Some have been around for more than 5 years. Look at the other test nations, young players come in and function with immediate impact. Marlon has 5 centuries from 51 matches and says he is the batting manual. Is this guy mental? The management of this team is also a big joke. They fail to understand that sports at this level is a mental thing. A team with less talent can destroy another team with better players. How can you explain Narine not playing in the first or even the second test based on his strong hold over NZ. When I saw our bowling attack I said, who is going to get Taylor out. At the end, 3 games, 3 centuries with one being a double. No common sense.

  • on December 22, 2013, 23:13 GMT

    Need a new coach new management, hire a few fitness experts and work with the players in the Caribbean. All the fast bowlers in west indies (except tino best) are not fit enough. Tino best sadly lacks skill for test cricket he has the heart and fitness for it. After you work with those playing first class cricket in WI select those talented enough willing to work hard Then in 5yrs or so WI can be a force to reckon with once again

  • VivGilchrist on December 24, 2013, 0:16 GMT

    Fix the Domestic first-class Competition and things will improve. You are not going to build a great pool of Test cricketers if guys are only playing 5 4 day games a year.

  • delboy on December 23, 2013, 15:46 GMT

    @Basil Springer, well summarized

  • on December 23, 2013, 11:47 GMT

    The problem with West indies is their reluctance to drop under performing players irrespective of their reputation. there are lots of more talented and experienced players waiting outside Ideal xi for west indies in batting order:1.Chris Gayle 2.Johnson Charles 3.Darren Bravo 4. Shivnaraine Chanderpaul 5.Lendl Simmons 6.Dwayne Bravo 7.Dinesh Ramdin 8.Jaison Holder 9.Sunil Naraine 10 Kemor Roach 11 Ravi Rampaul

  • wirus on December 23, 2013, 11:45 GMT

    It is clear that neither Sammy nor Gibson nor the WI selectors have got the point yet. Yes, even after the humiliating and crushing defeats of these past couple months. The fact that Sammy says that if asked to continue he would, tells me that he still sees himself as part of the solution as against being part of the problem. He should have resigned the captaincy before the India tour, having seen the team rise to 6th on the back of winning against the weakest teams in cricket at the time. But he, Gibson and the selectors believe that there is no real problem other than the lads need to "man up." They don't or won't see that nothing other than starting with an almost completely new team, under new leadership is the only way to make small steps forward. Is it a coincidence that WI A teams tend to perform well consistently? I think not. Theirs is a different environment of players fighting to impress. WI need an A team in test cricket.

  • on December 23, 2013, 11:33 GMT

    the problem is people arent even that passionate anymore to protest against the board and yes ottis isnt teaching the guys to swing the ball everybody else is doing this and they have really good death bowlers to and over all i am sick and tired of seeing the same old goats back in the team i honestly am sadden about this as well cricket brings hope and unity to the caribbean now look what its done devision is upon us now

  • Ethel on December 23, 2013, 9:44 GMT

    The first is to get rid of Gibson..........I have been saying that all along. Where do our batsmen see the swinging ball unless they go overseas. We are suppose to have a coach, Gibson, who has not been able to show our bowlers how to swing the ball or even get Best to bowl consecutive ball within 2ft of each other but he is our coach. Can you imagine he wanted to put chanderpaul off the team instead of using him to help guide the youngsters. We did not put him there to be a politician. you have not been doing your job Gibson!!!!!

  • philknight on December 23, 2013, 3:46 GMT

    The decline of cricket in the Caribbean can only be solved by one thing - money. New Zealand has the same problem and 20/20 competitions have damaged the game in both countries. What would I do? 1 - stop all international ODI cricket(50 overs). I would still hold a fifty over world cup every four years. This would be entertaining since it would be rare to see the format and players would have to adapt during the tournament. 2 - all international test series should have at least three tests. 3 - Bangladesh should be developed by being given real tours and a slice of the TV income. 4 - do not reject 20/20 but use it as a way to generate income. However, I would limit the ease with which players can move between tournaments. Only success in international cricket should lead to riches in places like India. Therefore, an age limit (30+) or a set number of test caps would make you eligible. 5 - push for jail sentences and lifetime bans for any form of fixing.

  • on December 23, 2013, 2:53 GMT

    Anyone who was lucky enough to see the 1st test between India & S. Africa which ended in a nail biting draw will get an idea how far from the top w indies are, to see Piillander bat and bowl and Sammy is colled an allrounder?? I read where Sammy said if the selectors asked him to continue as Captain he would be happy to, selectors paleeasse don't.

  • DonclydeBrown on December 22, 2013, 23:24 GMT

    Even though the structure in West Indies cricket is lacking, we still have a set of players with no head or brains. They keep making the same mistakes. NZ is no big team which will be proven when India goes there. Our guys are a set of overpaid jokers with no sense of pride. We can no longer say that they have no experience.Some have been around for more than 5 years. Look at the other test nations, young players come in and function with immediate impact. Marlon has 5 centuries from 51 matches and says he is the batting manual. Is this guy mental? The management of this team is also a big joke. They fail to understand that sports at this level is a mental thing. A team with less talent can destroy another team with better players. How can you explain Narine not playing in the first or even the second test based on his strong hold over NZ. When I saw our bowling attack I said, who is going to get Taylor out. At the end, 3 games, 3 centuries with one being a double. No common sense.

  • on December 22, 2013, 23:13 GMT

    Need a new coach new management, hire a few fitness experts and work with the players in the Caribbean. All the fast bowlers in west indies (except tino best) are not fit enough. Tino best sadly lacks skill for test cricket he has the heart and fitness for it. After you work with those playing first class cricket in WI select those talented enough willing to work hard Then in 5yrs or so WI can be a force to reckon with once again

  • bajan0123 on December 22, 2013, 22:36 GMT

    Enough said about the poor performance of the WI team in the last two test series. My first question is why is Deonarine in the WI starting eleven. He is not a batsman neither is he a specialist spinner. Samuel has not performed since the England tour. Powell lacks concentration. Powell need to be more selective and play straight to be a successful opener. My test team would be 1. GAYLE, 2. BRATHWAITE, 3 .POWELL, 4. EDWARDS Capt, 5. BRAVO, 6. CHAUNDERPAUL, 7. SAMUEL, 8. RAMDIN, 9. NARINE. 10. ROACH. 11. CUMMINGS, 12. EDWARDS, 13. BENN, 14. CARTER, 15. FONDADAIN. COACH LLOYD. BATTING COACH RICHARDS.

  • everfaithful77 on December 22, 2013, 21:24 GMT

    I hope the President & Directors of WICB are reading these comments. The overwhelming conclusion here is that this should be the END OF THE ROAD FOR CAPTAIN SAMMY, COACH GIBSON and the SELECTORS. Failure to replace those guys will most likely lead to more HUMILIATION for the West Indies team and people. Mr. Cameron & his board must act now or will be seen as too weak to deal with the present CRISIS or to bring meaningful change to West Indies cricket. I supported Sammy throughout his captaincy in all 3 formats even when the blogs were filled with calls for his head. Then Windies won 6 in a row against 3 lower ranked teams but a big deal was made of it. Likewise he must now take RESPONSIBILITY for those recent awful failures of the test team against India & New Zealand during which his own overall performance was very unsatisfactory. HEAD COACH GIBSON must also be held accountable for this fiasco as well as the SELECTORS. The BOARD SHOULD DEMAND THEIR IMMEDIATE RESIGNATIONS.

  • balks91 on December 22, 2013, 20:27 GMT

    Same story with the West Indies...taking 2 steps forward; then 5 steps back. This current WI test team looks unable to bat for 2 innings, take 20 wickets and overall survive 5 days. Personally the biggest disappointment for me was Marlon Samuels; a number 3 or 4 with over 50 tests to his name is supposed to be the one to take charge and score heaps of runs (as we saw Ross Taylor do for NZ; and they deservedly won). Its time to give guys like Simmons and Dwayne Bravo another shot at the test team. Hopefully Roach and Rampaul can return soon; and young Holder looks good for the future. Can't get worse than Best and Sammy spearheading an attack in test cricket.

  • ilyas on December 22, 2013, 20:11 GMT

    For the latest twenty years wi have been struggling with the occasional false dawn such as the icc trophy and the t20 world cup win. Even when they had a far better side ten years ago they were still not achieving. The second innings collapse has happened a number of times over the last few years so the problems are wider than just changing a few players. Wi need to restructure their whole cricket system - coaching, schools cricket, pitches and their selection processes. They are all long term issues. In the short term to remain competitive WI need to pick the best 11players and then choose a captain, which means the end for Sammy. They also need to say goodbye to best, deonarine, and permaul. Samuels needs to be checked out physically and mentally as something is wrong since he got hit in the eye. Powell needs to be warned that he needs to buck his ideas up and ramdin needs to make sure his century was not another one off. Trouble is who do you bring in in terms of batsmen? Big issues

  • on December 22, 2013, 19:10 GMT

    Sad to see the continued failures of a once great team.A decade of defeats and no prospects of a resurgence in the imminent future paints a gloomy picture for WI cricket.Everything needs to be revamped-the structure,coach,selectors and players.It is time for Caribbean crowds to stage protests at every venue if the Board does not change course as we cannot continue as fans to be subject to another decade of anguish and continue to see the team languish at the bottom of the table.Wake up please and do something drastic to try and save WI cricket from further demise.

  • on December 22, 2013, 18:35 GMT

    The Problem with West Indies Cricket is. We are not up to International Test Standards anymore. We have to re-group and re-build. We dont have a strong foundation to build on so our are tasks of re-building will be more difficult. We have to start at the top. Otis Gibson and & Darren Sammy must be the first to go. There are few young players that are waiting in the Horizon which makes our task more difficult..We cant continue this way, something must be done as soon as the team returns home. A good idea is to get all the former greats together and come up with ideas to make us a better team. There are too many Square Pegs in Round Holes.

  • NCassie on December 22, 2013, 18:12 GMT

    Sammy has done well with the limited resources given, but his selection in test cricket doesn't allow other allrounders like Dwayne, Russel etc. to be given a chance. Ramdin is capable of captaining successfully the time has come to move on. @ Rally_windies we must be crazy to want to drop Ramdin to be replaced by WHOM? Ramdin is the best available option for captain at this time until better can be groomed and step forward. For the ODI's I would drop Sammy, open with Charles and Simmons and have Ramdin back in the middle. Charles does not bat well when Windies bat second and he is not a complete wicketkeeper in terms of glove work. Looking forward to seeing Sunil run through NZ batting once the pitch is not too green.

  • on December 22, 2013, 17:20 GMT

    Clive LLoyd for coach please!! New administrators pay the selectors and coach, say thank you and end their contracts. Sammy is a good man who has tried his best and deserves respect. Time to move on though. My test squad of 16: Gayle/Hughes, Barath, Edwards (c), Darren Bravo, Chanderpaul, Pagon, Simmons, Carter, Ramdin, Pollard (vc), Roach, Taylor, Rampaul, Cummins, Narine, Shillingford (if recovered) or Bishoo. My ODI team: Gayle, Charles, Hughes, Bravo, Simmons, Bravo, Pollard (c), Taylor, Roach, Rampaul, Narine. T20 team: same. End of the line for Gibson and selectors, Sammy (grateful for his efforts), Best, DEONARINE (OMG), Samuels (too much attitude. Little results. 2012 lone good year in entire career. Does not seem to be a team man), Gabriel (for now), and Permaul.

  • on December 22, 2013, 15:27 GMT

    BEST? He has been given chances upon chances but face it he's not a test bowler. GAYLE? His days are over for test cricket simply as dat. DEONARINE? i simply dont know what is his position in that side, the guy doesnt contribute with bat neither ball he needs to be dropped! SAMMY? Yes he has captained well at times but he has to come to a realisation he is not Test material! Soon to come Chanders wudnt be there either so they will have to find someone to fill dat big gap. As far as i see it Windies Coach and Selectors have to start Experimenting because things are very poor at the moment.. give some new players chances see how they can perform.. Windies have alot of talented players from around the Caribbean! Shannon Gabriel needs to go back to Bowling Training! Brathwaite is young and vibrant he looks promising.. Kirk Edwards has alot of patience good for Test cricket he just needs to open up and play more shots... Samuels is a good player he just had a bad year this year!

  • on December 22, 2013, 14:53 GMT

    in any organisation that displayed such inept and pathetic performance the purge must start from the top,let's start with the selectors , they senet a team that was thoroughly thrashed and demoralised in india to NZ. What does this say about the selectors, the selectors must have five members from different countries and the chairman should be rotated.the present selectors should be immediately dismissed. sammy , the coach and mananger must be sent packing, a new captain must be appointed and that captain must have a say in the selection of any team. samuels is finished , sammy is finished , big bravo is finished, they are not test players, let's blood the younger guys.

  • Frayninho21 on December 22, 2013, 14:29 GMT

    Sammy has done a reasonable job in very trying circumstances. He is someone who has worked incredibly hard on his game and is probably one of best catchers in world cricket as well as a steady bowler and powerful lower order hitter. He's not a player who can take the West Indies forward in terms of test match cricket and should be relieved of the test captaincy now. Denesh Ramdin would be my choice to replace him as he has experience with T & T and appears to be maturing as a cricketer. A test XI of Brathwaite, Powell. K Edwards (vc), DM Bravo, Chanderpaul, Carter, Ramdin (c), Roach, Rampaul, Narine and Bishoo would be my choice for the next test series at home to New Zealand next June. Kieron Pollard wold be my choice as ODI and T20 captain. ODI Team: Gayle, Charles (wkt), Powell, DM Bravo, Simmons, Pollard (c), Carter, Holder, Roach, Rampaul, Narine. T20 team: Gayle, Charles (wkt), Simmons, Samuels, Pollard, DJ Bravo, Sammy, Narine, Holder, Rampaul, Badree.

  • Rally_Windies on December 22, 2013, 14:13 GMT

    Careers on the Line...

    let me Explain WICB, and Ottis Gibson Logic to the rest of the world:

    (1) Chanderpaul did not step up into his senior roll in the 2nd innings - so get will be dropped (2) Ramdhin did not score enough runs - he will be dropped (3) Rampaul is unfit so he will be dropped forever, (4) Narine did not do his job of taking 10 Wicket- not good enough

    Tino Best, Sammy, Powell , Edwards and Brathwiate ---- Excellent jobs by these young promising lads.. They will get another chance . (Shillingford to)

  • noplay on December 22, 2013, 13:53 GMT

    A bit late in the day for Sammy to be saying careers are on the line. The damage has been done. Whereas we could beat NZ, Bangladesh and Zim before, we now know that the scenario is changing. In test cricket we were just top of that little group of four and nothing more. I just wish that the coach had made the statement with one change "especially mine".

  • on December 22, 2013, 13:37 GMT

    Everyone who says WI have talented cricketers should go read Mike Atherton's article on what is talent. People believe just being able to hit a beautiful looking coverdrive or being destructive is talent. Is know when to play a certain shot to a certain ball talent? Isn't knowing how to improve your game talent? Isn't having a good test cricket brain and temperament a talent? If these are talents then many WI batsmen do not have talent.

  • ARJa on December 22, 2013, 13:27 GMT

    Wow. This is the team that went on strike for non-payment. They deserved to be put on the jolly roger and sent to the far corner of the world. Disgusting. Pathetic. There are no words on the plant to explain how bad this team has been overall over the last 13 years. And the fact that still, the idiotic administrators are doing Island Politics is just the clearest message that the great cricketing unit called the "West Indies" is no more. What is left is a bunch of people who would do anything for money and cricket is just a pass by. Quick bowlers who can't swing or seam, spinner who chuck, batsman who can't play pace, swing or spin and fielders who have holes in their palms is the true tale of the modern Windies. And no test team's batting has failed this frequently since the turn of the century (not even Bangladesh). And speaking on media conferences about future stars won't help. Look at Gabriel. He came from the HPC and he doesn't know how to hold the ball to get swing or seam. Sad!

  • on December 22, 2013, 13:09 GMT

    Sammy speaks as if the writing is on the wall. He does recognize that his place on the team is not justified .Not his fault. He did not put himself in the spot. We must look above him as most Windies comments have been saying for a long time. Mr. EGO Otis Gibson must go. TO MAN UP is not coaching.When the goal of both coach and captain is to be #5 what is there for the players to yearn for? While we were spinning our wheels Packinstan slid be hind us and the Coach and captain broke out the champagne.we had achieved our goal. Wich other coach could have kept their job with such ambitions? Sammy still talks of having won six straight tests.One of the six just did us in.We could not at this present beat B'desh.Otis has brought us to the point in our history where we should give way to either Ireland or Kenya.

  • SNIFFLEATHER on December 22, 2013, 12:29 GMT

    Injuries played a part, any XI w/out Gayle, Bravo + Roach would feel it. However, let's not paper over cracks. Calls for the coach + captain need consideration - these 2 series have been a disgrace. People should also realise that bringing back players such as F.Edwards + R.Sarwan would be the worst way to go. Both long past their best, with poor fitness only contributing toward their downfall. Some more experienced players such as Samuels, need to seriously look at themselves. A great 2012, followed recently by two 50's in his last 5 tests - not good enough. Chanders continues to make his doubters look foolish - let's hope that continues for his remarkable resilience is still urgently required. I'm among those that are glad to see him only playing the longer format - the only form of the game that matters. Concentrate on a test squad, don't let youngsters near the T20 "junk food cricket" + guys like Cummins, Holder, Johnson, Brathwaite, Powell + co may develop into fine cricketers.

  • anoopar on December 22, 2013, 10:53 GMT

    Time for Ottis Gibson to go. He is not the best coach and he only wants Sammy as captain because he wants a softie and then he can handle WI cricket...a lot of good players confidence has been dented during his time as coach and a few years in the middle because of his ego, Windies werent playing their best 11... Its time to realise that Gibson and Sammy need to go for Windies cricket to move forward....!

  • Windies2Dheart on December 22, 2013, 10:43 GMT

    Sammy Is right Carrers should be on the line, but thats left to be seen. West Indies continue to reward poor performance with more chances under the guise of "having faith". they treat certain players as if a place on the team is a birthright. They neglect bowlers who clearly know more about bowling skills than tino, gabriel and sheldon (pace+, brain-). and Lastly (for now). WI is probably the only world-stage sport team who does not merit the coaches job on performance. more to come.

  • everfaithful77 on December 22, 2013, 9:38 GMT

    @Akoben the greats like LLOYD and RICHARDS have long been sidelined in West Indies cricket. What makes you think they will be turned to at this point ? Do you see them in the board of directors or presidency, do you see them in the selection panel or coaching staff ? Clive LLoyd tried for the presidency but was rejected; Desi HAYNES was the batting consultant for a little while, where is he now ? Look for some reason the INTELLIGENT people that ran our cricket don't think that West Indies cricket need these guys that once put Windies at the top of WORLD cricket. It's like an ARMY that purges away it's GENERALS of combined hundreds of years of EXPERIENCE AT SUCCESS and replaces them with a bunch of civilians that never fought in a WAR. Such foolishness. Just look at the people they put in charge of selection & coaching. Are they saying that we cannot do better and must shy away from our SUCCESSFUL past players like AMBROISE, HAYNES, WALSH, DUJON & LARA. I know we CAN do better.

  • on December 22, 2013, 9:07 GMT

    Out with Sammy all he can do is catch we need a captain who can fit into this particular team as a specialist come on tino best is meant to bowl out whole sides by himself, where is Jerome taylor best bowler ive seen in the Caribbean for the last ten years some people wil support Sammy to the death of the team, I just want to see our best players in the Caribbean in the team and chris, marlon,and chanderpaul are our our best batsmen in the wi believe it or not guys and if shilingford can get his action right himself and narine make a very good spinning option Jerome taylor and rampaul deserves to be in this team as our fast bowling option with russel he is our best all rounder in the wi Darren bravo is very talented he just need to learn from his metor how to pull hook or get out of the way of good short pitch bowling. kirk Edwards does a good job for Barbados as captain give him the wi job cant be worse than sam I give up on ramdin bring in the younge man from ja, select right!!

  • Kokako on December 22, 2013, 8:34 GMT

    I know plenty of Windies fans are calling for Sammy to be dropped but, from what I saw in Dunedin he is a superb striker of a cricket ball. Why not keep him, but make him bat at 6, with Ramdin at 7. Darren Bravo is someone to build the batting around at 3. The talent is there I'm sure - don't make NZ's mistake of recent years in chopping and changing the team. West Indies is STILL ranked 6 in the world after all, and we are still stuck at 8. Keep calm & carry on! Kiwi fans - we need to keep our feet on the ground - the mighty Indians will come to these shores, and the "gains" of recent times could all come to nought in next to no time!

  • on December 22, 2013, 8:30 GMT

    One would be tempted to believe that Sammy is the source of WI's problem. Sammy is there because WI already had problems, with more talented players and captains

  • polarcricket on December 22, 2013, 7:48 GMT

    I laugh at the people who are saying drop Chanderpaul. Hes the West Indies best bat by a long long way.

  • Akoben on December 22, 2013, 7:25 GMT

    A very honest & mature statement from the captain in my opinion also. Also as mentioned by others, I too believe spilting the captaincy was done at the wrong time. While I believe Dwayne Bravo to be an excellent cricketer, he has not done enought for me to justify being captain. After the mini success of last year to come back to the ultimate form of the game and get beaten so comprehensively can have serious consequences. Time for me to drop some of the seniors (that means Samuels, Gayle and Chanderpaul) as we have to give platform to those who have shown the emerging talent to play the game. I for one do not want Sammy to be dropped as captain, as who else do you hand it to. Samuels plays too selfish for me. He is class on his day. We need a leader of men. We already have THE EXAMPLE. Sir Clive LLoyd & Sir Vivian Richards. Go and ask them what they did to inspire the team, AND THEN COPY IT!! We can become winners again, and not just at the hit & hope format.....

  • on December 22, 2013, 6:53 GMT

    Time for a change scrap the team rebuild with hungry, promising players not t20 contracts seekers

  • abc_akram on December 22, 2013, 6:52 GMT

    Sammy is not the only one to be blamed. Everyone seems to be blaming him, his performance is also unsatifactory. But what are the openers doing? There is never a substantial opening partnership from the WI openers, except for Chanderpaul and Darren Bravo in one innings, the other batsmen have hardly showed the application required at the test level. Their technique also looks suspect many a times. If we analyse, i think Windies have lost most often due to their batting, i think a good batting coach is needed for them.

  • on December 22, 2013, 6:31 GMT

    Sammy must be sacked from team he doesn't suits for test cricket. instead of him wi lack a quality fast bowler like rampaul

  • on December 22, 2013, 6:20 GMT

    Captain Sammy's comments are mature and sensible. He has placed the future of West Indies at the feet of the selectors. The selectors are chosen by the WICB. Matches are won by action on the day which is dependent on four factors: historical performance, mindset, appreciation for the opposition's strategies to win and understanding of the local conditions. The prediction of team performance and hence selection should be based on the analyses of individual statistics. When the actual team performance varies significantly from match to match then each of these four factors has to be carefully examined. What criteria are used by the selectors to choose the WI team? Do they objectively analyze the statistics? To what extent do they see the team as coming from the Caribbean region as distinct from the grouping of six individual entities B'dos, Guyana, JA, LI, T&T and WI? Do they have a life coach to address mindset issues? Do they perform post mortem analyses and act accordingly? ACTION!

  • ramesh80 on December 22, 2013, 5:47 GMT

    Now Shiv Chandrapaul should retire from international cricket. He doesn't't have a quality to stay on this great West Indian team. Few thousand run will not make any difference to chandrapaul illustrious carrier. So please hang up your boots. Perhaps then this team will loose within 2 days instead of 3 days !!!!

  • DRS_Flawed_NeedsImprovement on December 22, 2013, 5:37 GMT

    sammy's place in 11 is the main in line

  • tommyhawk on December 22, 2013, 5:28 GMT

    For me it was no coincidence that the decline for WI started again when Sammy was removed as captain for all 3 formats and forced to play as an ordinary member under Bravo. To me, that move compromised the unity and discipline that Sammy & Co had tried to build over 2 years. It was clear to me that there was going to be conflict when the same or main players played under one captain whose standards of discipline and performance were different from another captain's standards. Overall, the team would slip back into indiscipline.

    I know that different captains seems to be the way these days but you have to consider the circumstances of each team carefully before making that choice. Because WI was in the unity and discipline rebuilding stage, WI was not yet ready to spli the captaincy, especially if you were going to keep the main players in bot sides.

  • anranga1 on December 22, 2013, 5:07 GMT

    Sammy to be dropped hopefully,

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  • anranga1 on December 22, 2013, 5:07 GMT

    Sammy to be dropped hopefully,

  • tommyhawk on December 22, 2013, 5:28 GMT

    For me it was no coincidence that the decline for WI started again when Sammy was removed as captain for all 3 formats and forced to play as an ordinary member under Bravo. To me, that move compromised the unity and discipline that Sammy & Co had tried to build over 2 years. It was clear to me that there was going to be conflict when the same or main players played under one captain whose standards of discipline and performance were different from another captain's standards. Overall, the team would slip back into indiscipline.

    I know that different captains seems to be the way these days but you have to consider the circumstances of each team carefully before making that choice. Because WI was in the unity and discipline rebuilding stage, WI was not yet ready to spli the captaincy, especially if you were going to keep the main players in bot sides.

  • DRS_Flawed_NeedsImprovement on December 22, 2013, 5:37 GMT

    sammy's place in 11 is the main in line

  • ramesh80 on December 22, 2013, 5:47 GMT

    Now Shiv Chandrapaul should retire from international cricket. He doesn't't have a quality to stay on this great West Indian team. Few thousand run will not make any difference to chandrapaul illustrious carrier. So please hang up your boots. Perhaps then this team will loose within 2 days instead of 3 days !!!!

  • on December 22, 2013, 6:20 GMT

    Captain Sammy's comments are mature and sensible. He has placed the future of West Indies at the feet of the selectors. The selectors are chosen by the WICB. Matches are won by action on the day which is dependent on four factors: historical performance, mindset, appreciation for the opposition's strategies to win and understanding of the local conditions. The prediction of team performance and hence selection should be based on the analyses of individual statistics. When the actual team performance varies significantly from match to match then each of these four factors has to be carefully examined. What criteria are used by the selectors to choose the WI team? Do they objectively analyze the statistics? To what extent do they see the team as coming from the Caribbean region as distinct from the grouping of six individual entities B'dos, Guyana, JA, LI, T&T and WI? Do they have a life coach to address mindset issues? Do they perform post mortem analyses and act accordingly? ACTION!

  • on December 22, 2013, 6:31 GMT

    Sammy must be sacked from team he doesn't suits for test cricket. instead of him wi lack a quality fast bowler like rampaul

  • abc_akram on December 22, 2013, 6:52 GMT

    Sammy is not the only one to be blamed. Everyone seems to be blaming him, his performance is also unsatifactory. But what are the openers doing? There is never a substantial opening partnership from the WI openers, except for Chanderpaul and Darren Bravo in one innings, the other batsmen have hardly showed the application required at the test level. Their technique also looks suspect many a times. If we analyse, i think Windies have lost most often due to their batting, i think a good batting coach is needed for them.

  • on December 22, 2013, 6:53 GMT

    Time for a change scrap the team rebuild with hungry, promising players not t20 contracts seekers

  • Akoben on December 22, 2013, 7:25 GMT

    A very honest & mature statement from the captain in my opinion also. Also as mentioned by others, I too believe spilting the captaincy was done at the wrong time. While I believe Dwayne Bravo to be an excellent cricketer, he has not done enought for me to justify being captain. After the mini success of last year to come back to the ultimate form of the game and get beaten so comprehensively can have serious consequences. Time for me to drop some of the seniors (that means Samuels, Gayle and Chanderpaul) as we have to give platform to those who have shown the emerging talent to play the game. I for one do not want Sammy to be dropped as captain, as who else do you hand it to. Samuels plays too selfish for me. He is class on his day. We need a leader of men. We already have THE EXAMPLE. Sir Clive LLoyd & Sir Vivian Richards. Go and ask them what they did to inspire the team, AND THEN COPY IT!! We can become winners again, and not just at the hit & hope format.....

  • polarcricket on December 22, 2013, 7:48 GMT

    I laugh at the people who are saying drop Chanderpaul. Hes the West Indies best bat by a long long way.