Australia in South Africa 2013-14 February 25, 2014

Warner queries South Africa swing tactics

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David Warner has raised a query over South Africa's handling of the ball during their victory in Port Elizabeth and said the Australians would speak to the umpires about the issue of scuffing the ball.

The South Africa attack found greater reverse swing during the second Test than Australia, which contributed to their win, and Warner conceded that both teams worked on the ball in an attempt to gain an advantage. However, he said the Australians would check with the umpires on the method of handling the ball used by South Africa's wicketkeeper AB de Villiers.

"I think it comes down to the umpires warning both teams not to throw the ball into the wicket which you generally try and do," Warner told Sky Sports Radio. "They did it better than what we did, or more obvious than what we did. At the end of the day it comes down to who can do that the best and work on the ball.

"We worked on the ball a lot in England and we got the ball to reverse a lot there and we got the ball reversing a little at home and this time it just didn't work for us because the outfield was probably a little bit moist under the ground and day one it was obviously quite hard to get it to go reverse as well. That's what happens in the game. You have to try and work out how to do that. Sometimes that happens.

"We were actually questioning whether or not AB de Villiers would get the ball in his hand and with his glove wipe the rough side every ball. That's another thing we have to try and bring up with the umpires."

Whatever the case, the Australians will need to work on their ability to handle high-class swing bowling over the next few days after Dale Steyn and his colleagues destroyed Australia on the fourth day in Port Elizabeth. The deciding third Test begins in Cape Town on Saturday.

Warner's questions come four months after South Africa batsman Faf du Flessis was fined for ball-tampering during the Dubai Test against Pakistan. Television visuals had showed du Plessis rubbing the ball near the zipper of his trouser pocket, after which the umpires changed the ball and awarded a five-run penalty.

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  • Wallaroo on March 2, 2014, 2:55 GMT

    Blaming the pitch is a wind up and distinctly different from accusing a team of cheating, that's not a wind up that's a lawsuit looking for a court room.

    It's the difference between banter and deformation.

    Unfortunately Warner doesn't know where to draw the line, I honestly think he thought it was a wind up but he's not the sharpest pencil in the case so has no idea about the distinction. Warner, while having a high profile position, represents only a fraction of the Aussie population, most would consider his comments appalling.

  • on March 1, 2014, 7:47 GMT

    Well to be fair, the proteas do have form in ball tampering. Five months ago duPlessis was fined for ball tampering. @ Jairam Amrith, if you bothered to read the actual story Warner was commenting on what he saw and history supports him. The Saffas will be squeaky clean in this test.

  • Big-Dog on February 28, 2014, 7:04 GMT

    Warner is a serial Bogan. No one should take anything he says seriously.

  • Shaggy076 on February 28, 2014, 1:29 GMT

    Greatest_Game ; Your right you don't do a lot of complaining but other than Warner neither do Australia. But your sure do a lot of bragging for a team that hasn't beat us on your home soil since your return to test cricket and is currently 1-1 in this series. Morkel superior bowler to Johnson really is quite laughable.

  • hhillbumper on February 27, 2014, 21:11 GMT

    It is funny how when they lose this comes up.surely the world's greatest attack can beat anyone.maybe the Aussie batting just ain't that good

  • on February 27, 2014, 15:45 GMT

    Aussies think it is their right to win games. Just because they lost and got hammered really they think something is wrong.

    How about you look at your own shots and techniques. Got a lot of luck in some of the past series. Played well too. But what makes winners good winners is gracious in defeat. Something Aussies have rarely/never done.

    SA are the best team in the world and Steyn is the best bowler in the world. Would love Channel 9 people to actually acknowledge that. And Clarke is not the best batsman in the world nor a great. Very good player but not great.

    Hope SA win again and convincingly!

  • Greatest_Game on February 27, 2014, 15:03 GMT

    @ Anthony8i asked "Why not South Africa complain on Johnson that how can he bowl much faster bouncer than the much taller bowler "Morkel" who is known for pace and bounce…"

    Because South Africa not complain on anyone, just play cricket and win and tall bowler Morkel bowl well and hit Johnson on head but nothing happen because Johnson head very hard as rock and not need helmet and ball just bounce off rock head but Johnson not bowl fast bouncer no more because confidence knocked right out of hard head by taller bowler "Morkel" superior bouncer bowler with much faster pace and big bounce that make Jonson inferior bowler scared eyes and bowl rubbish now.

  • Anthony8i on February 27, 2014, 10:03 GMT

    Why not South Africa complain on Johnson that how can he bowl much faster bouncer than the much taller bowler "Morkel" who is known for pace and bounce...

  • on February 27, 2014, 8:59 GMT

    @Shripathi Kamath Indians ignore our own team's whining because we know they are just plain bad , so the whining is to be expected, but when the all-conquering Aussies can't take defeat in their stride the whole world notices not just Indians, even you do, or don't you ?

  • on February 27, 2014, 8:30 GMT

    Funny how many Indian fans notice the whining when it is not India that does it

  • Wallaroo on March 2, 2014, 2:55 GMT

    Blaming the pitch is a wind up and distinctly different from accusing a team of cheating, that's not a wind up that's a lawsuit looking for a court room.

    It's the difference between banter and deformation.

    Unfortunately Warner doesn't know where to draw the line, I honestly think he thought it was a wind up but he's not the sharpest pencil in the case so has no idea about the distinction. Warner, while having a high profile position, represents only a fraction of the Aussie population, most would consider his comments appalling.

  • on March 1, 2014, 7:47 GMT

    Well to be fair, the proteas do have form in ball tampering. Five months ago duPlessis was fined for ball tampering. @ Jairam Amrith, if you bothered to read the actual story Warner was commenting on what he saw and history supports him. The Saffas will be squeaky clean in this test.

  • Big-Dog on February 28, 2014, 7:04 GMT

    Warner is a serial Bogan. No one should take anything he says seriously.

  • Shaggy076 on February 28, 2014, 1:29 GMT

    Greatest_Game ; Your right you don't do a lot of complaining but other than Warner neither do Australia. But your sure do a lot of bragging for a team that hasn't beat us on your home soil since your return to test cricket and is currently 1-1 in this series. Morkel superior bowler to Johnson really is quite laughable.

  • hhillbumper on February 27, 2014, 21:11 GMT

    It is funny how when they lose this comes up.surely the world's greatest attack can beat anyone.maybe the Aussie batting just ain't that good

  • on February 27, 2014, 15:45 GMT

    Aussies think it is their right to win games. Just because they lost and got hammered really they think something is wrong.

    How about you look at your own shots and techniques. Got a lot of luck in some of the past series. Played well too. But what makes winners good winners is gracious in defeat. Something Aussies have rarely/never done.

    SA are the best team in the world and Steyn is the best bowler in the world. Would love Channel 9 people to actually acknowledge that. And Clarke is not the best batsman in the world nor a great. Very good player but not great.

    Hope SA win again and convincingly!

  • Greatest_Game on February 27, 2014, 15:03 GMT

    @ Anthony8i asked "Why not South Africa complain on Johnson that how can he bowl much faster bouncer than the much taller bowler "Morkel" who is known for pace and bounce…"

    Because South Africa not complain on anyone, just play cricket and win and tall bowler Morkel bowl well and hit Johnson on head but nothing happen because Johnson head very hard as rock and not need helmet and ball just bounce off rock head but Johnson not bowl fast bouncer no more because confidence knocked right out of hard head by taller bowler "Morkel" superior bouncer bowler with much faster pace and big bounce that make Jonson inferior bowler scared eyes and bowl rubbish now.

  • Anthony8i on February 27, 2014, 10:03 GMT

    Why not South Africa complain on Johnson that how can he bowl much faster bouncer than the much taller bowler "Morkel" who is known for pace and bounce...

  • on February 27, 2014, 8:59 GMT

    @Shripathi Kamath Indians ignore our own team's whining because we know they are just plain bad , so the whining is to be expected, but when the all-conquering Aussies can't take defeat in their stride the whole world notices not just Indians, even you do, or don't you ?

  • on February 27, 2014, 8:30 GMT

    Funny how many Indian fans notice the whining when it is not India that does it

  • on February 27, 2014, 8:13 GMT

    Absolutely typical Aussies whinge, Warner is the front-office dummy speaking for the entire unsporting Aussies . Lose in India, it's spinning devils, lose in SA it's Proteas who tampered better than the Aussies. Is it any wonder that this Aussie team is admired for its prodigious talents (including Warner's) but rarely loved?

  • haq33 on February 27, 2014, 8:05 GMT

    The umps do their job fine. They already watch like hawks for this kind of thing. Warner talks too much. Cricket was nicer when you used to hear nothing from players' gobs in between matches. All this twitter, fb and statement releasing actually detracts from the game. I have no problem with in game sledging but in-between matches, shut up.

  • on February 27, 2014, 7:49 GMT

    Warner admits: " They did it better than what we did ......" The Aussies lost that's why the Proteas should be watched!

  • Greatest_Game on February 27, 2014, 7:35 GMT

    After watching Warner hurl down his remarkably pacy swing bowling - lord does he generate some speed, huh - I clearly understand his complaints. Warner does not know how to swing his balls, and his avian brain suggests to him that there must be something afoot with Steyn and company, as they are able to achieve a degree of swing to which he has not dared to dream.

    Sorry Davey. We know you are no Einstein, but the answer is simple. REAL bowlers know how to swing the nut. Half-baked part timers have not that knowledge & you have not been put in the oven yet.

    The problem with your part-time swing is the swing part is conspicuous by its absolute and complete absence. To swing your balls you will need some pace. You have none. It is a toss up whether your mph or IQ is higher. Face it lad, you can swing the lead, but not the ball. Your balls have zero potency, on the field, in the nets, or anywhere else. Bring back Bryce McGain … please. He was less embarrassing! And he could bowl.

  • Greatest_Game on February 27, 2014, 5:17 GMT

    @ RandyOZ's keen radar has picked up something here: Warner is surely on to something here. Hopefully the umpires watch them like a hawk next match.Warner is surely on to something here. Hopefully the umpires watch them like a hawk next match."

    Absolutely Randy. Australia are so desperate now that they will stoop to anything to gain an undeserved win. The Umpires should have cameras on each and every one of them at all times. The book of dirty tricks is open, has been carefully studies, and we know that there is no depth to which they will not stoop.

  • RandyOZ on February 26, 2014, 22:13 GMT

    Warner is surely on to something here. Hopefully the umpires watch them like a hawk next match.

  • thectexperience on February 26, 2014, 22:11 GMT

    Agree with @C.Gull. Warner's comment will get the desired results and that's all that matters. The expectation seems to be that Steve Smith will be the next Australian captain. I say give it to Warner!

  • Ally323 on February 26, 2014, 21:50 GMT

    I believe Dale Steyn and Vernon Philander are No1 and No2 in the world of test cricket bowling. Perhaps, just by chance, this is the very reason the ball swings the way it does when they bowl.

    Warner should not be worried about the ball swinging but more about how to play a 2nd rated spin bowler like JP Duminy to avoid his lbw to come in Cape Town.

    Afterall, everytime the fast bowlers catch him off guard we drop the catch. Its entertaining to hear Warner lash out these comments - all he needs now is a duck to follow, maybe then it will sink in that he is better off batting than talking.

  • __PK on February 26, 2014, 21:08 GMT

    Ummm. Have any of the commenters actually read Warner's quotes? Nowhere does he complain about anything. He just says they thought they saw something different about what ABD was doing and they'll ask the umpires.

  • Joll on February 26, 2014, 19:54 GMT

    Why hasn't Warner learnt by now to shut up and just bat. Why does he continue to make a fool of himself by "mouthing off" at the opposition?

  • StarveTheLizard on February 26, 2014, 14:53 GMT

    Much as I hat to say it. The main issue was that South Africa has the bowler who could capitalize on this questionable practice. Australia, on the other hand, does not have enough batsmen who could resist it.

    Our batting is a total Worry!

  • C.Gull on February 26, 2014, 11:36 GMT

    So many armchair experts and internet tough guys here. Warner has done his job. The Saffers will be watched like hawks in the field in the 3rd Test.

  • on February 26, 2014, 11:30 GMT

    This is silly, he openly admits that Australia scuffer the ball & in the same breath says South Africa also do & they make a better job of it then Australia do so it shouldn't be allowed LOL! This is like saying we Aussies are the best at sledging but if at any time another team gets better then them at sledging then it mustn't be allowed. Yes we will be looking closeley at the next match but not only at South Africa but also to check how much scuffing Australia does on the ball as well. If I was AB I would sue him because this is slander now not cricket banter.

  • SurlyCynic on February 26, 2014, 11:10 GMT

    By day 4 that pitch was incredibly dry and abrasive. Have a look at the images of the pitch from before play started.

    Just bowling on that pitch would scuff the ball up - that's how reverse swing comes about. Are you seriously saying that AB's gloves roughed the ball up and not that sandpaper-like pitch? Sounds desperate.

    Even if the Aussies get their ball roughed-up bowlers like Johnson don't have the best wrist position for reverse swing.

    The Aussie team and commenters here are now just coming across as poor losers. What a surprise.

  • vstrider on February 26, 2014, 11:02 GMT

    Haha sore losers, S.Africa got a lot more reverse swing and used it far better than Australia because they have a far better bowling attack

    From watching the last test Australia better hope Mitch's form doesn't drop because if it does it will be back to the last few years

    Johnson has been bowling well for the last 7 games, Steyn has been at it for years....calm down

  • on February 26, 2014, 10:56 GMT

    I think Mr. Warner should concentrate on what he does next when his luck runs out and the oposition start taking their catches. He appears to get 3 or 4 lives every innings. That can't last

  • littleme on February 26, 2014, 10:38 GMT

    People who complaining about the swing SA pacers got form the pitch , would complain about it if aussies had won the test with getting considerable amount swing ?. David Warner is an asshole he picked up a fight after champions trophy loss this faggot need to grow up.For People saying south africa number 1 ranking is under threat and aus has exposed them.. Let us wait and see if you guys post the same if mitchell johnson form get dropped.. One series win and Australian team fans are high hop.. Remember they were beaten like anything before month.. Give credit to the bowlers dont cook up the things..

  • Henry_Crun on February 26, 2014, 9:44 GMT

    @becham 100 - if you want to read my post as a vindication of your own preconceived wrong opinions go ahead. Warner's statement was an extremely clever way of spotlighting SA's ball handling practises and making sure that they are closely examined in the next Test. In that, it's a hell of a lot smarter than some SA posters here (hellooo @german player) who seem to think that the SA fielders are so good they can land the ball on the same side every time they bounce throw the ball back to the keeper. Theoretically it's possible, if the ball is returned sidearm with a constant horizontal seam, in practise impossible. If SA fielders are that good, it's rather strange that they chose to spend both Tests misfielding and dropping catches.

  • disco_bob on February 26, 2014, 9:37 GMT

    If it's not DRS complaints or walking complaints, it's ball tampering complaints. I think any ball tampering if there was ball tampering would be trivial in the extreme and unrelated to the out come of the match. Personally I think the best tack for any team is to say virtually nothing at all. Ball tampering would have to be something like picking at the seam with an object or using an object on the ball to alter it's condition, in which case it would be picked up.

    @GermanPlayer regarding your theory about dropping Warner, usually he does not hit it straight to ground in which case no matter how hard it hits it only affects it's horizonal velocity and it's vertical speed is the gravitational constant.

  • kiwicricketnut on February 26, 2014, 9:25 GMT

    is there a bigger tool in world cricket, im not talking about reverse swing either.

  • DickCam on February 26, 2014, 9:13 GMT

    The Aussies should just shut up, and cheat like the Saffas instead.

  • on February 26, 2014, 9:09 GMT

    @ Anthony Purcell - no we're condeming Warner for complaining about it. It the complaining about it but at the same time saying Australia did it just not as good? hello?

    As for all those suggesting that SA's reign as number 1 is under threat. please could Australia first go to places like India, and England and compete in a series not get blown away before they try claim they are any good? What is 7 tests and 7 losses - That record Like Warner himself is just laughable

  • on February 26, 2014, 9:03 GMT

    aus lose and blame every except the fact they are not good vs swing like 3-0 in england and worse vs spin 4-0 in india. it alright when they create fast bounce pitch but someone challenges them.

  • KabsCricki on February 26, 2014, 9:02 GMT

    Pitch doctoring and ball tampering are like the paper over the cracks of being outplayed. Poor Aussie fans are latching on to anything and everything. Both teams bowled on the wicket and Australia were knocked off for 200 and some change in both innings, so whats the excuse for the first innings? Waiting to see what ya'll come up with next....

  • on February 26, 2014, 9:02 GMT

    Everyone works with the ball ,be it shining or scuffing too much to suit their style of bowling.If we assume Lehmann/Clarke does not have any doubt that all that reverse swing was not due to extra care of the ball then we are being naive. They won't talk about it. Clarke won't talk about it openly because everyone thinks he is genuine and sophisticated and he has to live up to that image. But Warner can say anything and get away with it because people would attribute that to his brashness. The media got what they wanted. The next match all the cameras will follow the ball even more closely.

  • willsrustynuts on February 26, 2014, 8:55 GMT

    Too much noise from the Australians on this matter.

  • Vic010 on February 26, 2014, 8:38 GMT

    Poor old Australians still can't play reverse swing hey?? Shame, no wonder the SA team have been quiet on this matter. I dare say they won't stoop to the Australian level. Who would??

  • Int.Curator on February 26, 2014, 8:20 GMT

    Faf Du Flesiss, AB DV the SA team must have a plan to manipulate the ball surface so it reverse swings.

    It must be a fine line between what is acceptable and what is not.

    I guess SA would admit to this ball tampering if it didn't have a penalty or incur a fine.

    SA seem to be at ease with pitch doctoring.

  • becham100 on February 26, 2014, 8:18 GMT

    @Henry_Crun You got it spot on mate. The Aussies are always playing mind games and that's probably one of the reasons why no one outside Australia likes them

  • on February 26, 2014, 8:16 GMT

    Last time the ball reversed so much so quick the poms gave the ball a lollie.

  • kensohatter on February 26, 2014, 8:04 GMT

    Warner did nothing wrong and is obviously speaking candidly about concerns in the Australian dressing room. SA have hardly been saints in cricketing history and im not talking about Cronje days here either. Faf was fined for ball tampering within the last year and Smith after the first test blamed the pitch (in his own country no less!!) for the loss rather than praise australias pace attack. If nothing else Warners comments have put the match referees on notice and got the issue out in the public domain. The SA fans are reacting this way cause they are worried. They are worried that their no.1 ranking is under serious threat and that win or lose in the 3rd test Australia has exposed them.

  • Gurudumu on February 26, 2014, 7:50 GMT

    Interesting .. Do you recall the previous Ashes (2011?) held in Australia and how Johnson swung the ball at the WACA and got a 6-fer? Heard diddlysquat about ball tampering! It is ok for Oz but not for SA?

  • Longroom on February 26, 2014, 7:50 GMT

    Agreed on Warner being CA's attack dog, Henry. The poor fellow has always come across as a bit of a mongrel, even before the Joe Root affair.

  • on February 26, 2014, 7:36 GMT

    I hope they removed all the zippers from SA uniforms.

  • portman on February 26, 2014, 7:28 GMT

    Love the way the Aussies "play hard but fair", always leave it on the field etc. Warner doesn't, happy to throw punches off the field at opposition team members with a few beers in him, happy to hurl abuse at reporters with more beers in him. If the Aussies want to keep blaming others for losing at PE so be it, bring on their defeat at Capetown.

  • AltafPatel on February 26, 2014, 7:24 GMT

    Aus realized, their tactic of creating fear in first test have been exposed now and will be dethrone from the series in the final meet same way. They started to play game outside the ground which Ponting and Taylor were used to play unlike Steve Waugh who always lead with character.

  • Ian_SA on February 26, 2014, 7:17 GMT

    Wow, what a demonstration of sour grapes and desperate need for anything else to blame. Let's be honest, Australia even in their heyday from 90s to mid 2000s were never very adept at swinging the ball (in a conventional or reverse sense). Other teams did become a lot more skilled at this, which eventually became a key factor in Australia's demise (starting with Flintoff et all. in the 2005 Ashes). Australian bowlers have since that time still been generally poor at extracting any type of swing. As such, their batsmen play swing very poorly, especially with their aggressive "hard hands" batting approach. Gilchrist and Hayden are particular examples of those whose eventual retirement was hastened by exposure to the swinging ball. The fact is, Australia has a simple lack of skill in bowling or playing against the swinging ball. Stop whining about it and go and develop these skills.

  • AltafPatel on February 26, 2014, 7:17 GMT

    SA is silent because they don't want to play game outside ground, they are going exactly the correct way. They will bowl same way regardless this.

  • AltafPatel on February 26, 2014, 7:15 GMT

    Aus picked SA at 11/2 on first day in initial 4-5 overs, what was that then? Wasn't it skill of the bowler ! They even got tail-enders of SA in first innings and openers in second innings very quickly, what was that ? Was that a cheating. When Aus bowlers pick wickets, you say furious attack, and when attack of SA does so, you say cheating !!? Obviously you Aus loosen and you no longer deserve even top spot in any form of cricket. Best were gentle Steve Waugh't team, who not technically but from character viewpoint far ahead of this poor Aus team.

  • Bbbarti on February 26, 2014, 7:14 GMT

    Should of just said there was an abnormally amount of reverse swing Cricket Balls do vary in swing just one of those variations I guess. Was strange the ball went from just going gun barrel straight for 30 overs to hooping around the next.

  • Testcricketistop on February 26, 2014, 7:07 GMT

    @whofriggincares.

    Instances?

    You mean ONE instances.

    the point everyone is ignoring here is that Warner is admitting Australia also works on the ball, however his concern is SA worked more effectively on the ball than they did.

    So what he is basically suggesting here?

    You may work on the ball, just don't do it better than what Australia does?

  • whofriggincares on February 26, 2014, 6:57 GMT

    Why are all the South African fans (and anyone on this forum who wants to rubbish Warner) totally disregarding the previous instances of ball tampering by the Saffers? Fact is they have been found guilty of it as recently as last year! having the ball start to reverse in the 27th or 28th over and going sideways by the 40th just isn't normal, I bet there is a lot of talk behind closed doors in other nations camps about this. international cricketers and their support staff would actually have right to form opinion unlike some of the Aussie hating keyboard heroes that post their rubbish on this site.

  • twomarktwo on February 26, 2014, 6:51 GMT

    Any chance warner is going to get some fine or face some repercussions for this? Unacceptable behaviour for a professional sportsman.

    These are serious allegations. If he is serious about this he should have talked to his captain and team management and they should take it up with the match officials and governing bodies.

    There should definitely be repercussions if this just another one of the 'Australian mental games' to attempt to throw SA off balance, because it has definitely passed the stage of cricket banter.

  • Stuart01 on February 26, 2014, 6:35 GMT

    Just a question, has Australia in their recent history ever been able to reverse a ball, remember the ashes in England a couple of years ago same story how can England do it and we cant. As for David Warner his Brash and silly comments overshadow his comments, guys like him need to go to a finishing school on humility and class

  • C.Gull on February 26, 2014, 6:25 GMT

    Huge overreactions from the commenters here. Mostly based on what they think of Warner rather than any consideration of the facts, which are unclear. Won't you all feel silly if he's proven right.

  • BradmanBestEver on February 26, 2014, 6:07 GMT

    Silence from the SA team on this matter

  • biggyd on February 26, 2014, 5:57 GMT

    mr. warner, you will be excused for your loutish drivel, til your runs run out. and they alawys do. witness the sharpening of media blades on your way to the back of the bus, reserved seat nextt o mr k. pietersen...

  • RanKan on February 26, 2014, 5:35 GMT

    Michael Clarke in his interview after the game said that not one ball 'reversed' for Australia. When he said that I felt that he was hinting at precisely what Warner has said here. So Warner is mostly likely the spokesperson chosen to air this view. But that of course is a guess just like warner's suspicion.

  • JimmySA on February 26, 2014, 5:32 GMT

    My favourite part about the 2nd test was when Philander got the Warner wicket. HAHA this guy is going to have to learn how to eat his words and not talk so much. Just for interests sake if the ball was in fact tampered how do you explain the 1st innings?

  • bybaw on February 26, 2014, 4:56 GMT

    Poor little Davy, at it again, not the smartest of blokes. Honest bloke though admitting to giving the ball a deliberate workover. Don't think his rattling AB with this mindless rant, considering AB does a no look pass after every delivery.

  • Henry_Crun on February 26, 2014, 3:29 GMT

    Given Warner's track record, if anyone out there is naïve enough to think that he made these comments without the full foreknowledge of Clarke and CA allow me to sell you this here Harbour Bridge. Having said that, it's obvious that 75% of comments here reflect just that naivety. Australia wanted the ball tampering allegations in the public sphere, but did not want the allegations to be official without video evidence. SA's actions in the field in the next Test will now be under an intense microscope, both from the umpires and the media. If the ball reverses and no evidence of tampering is found we can laugh it off with "that's just Davey being Davey". If players are spotted ball tampering, job done. If there is no tampering and no reverse swing, job done, all without an international incident. Warner is simply CA's new attack dog.

  • disco_bob on February 26, 2014, 3:17 GMT

    This is embarrassing stuff from Warner.

  • valvolux on February 26, 2014, 3:09 GMT

    Its easy to just critisise warner, but he wasn't the only one scratching his head at how south Africa started to make it hoop in reverse swing unfriendly conditions (as the 3 previous innings and 30 overs had shown). The last time, some 5 months ago, south Africa were down in a series they were caught tampering the ball...clearly scratching it with their fingers and of course faf on his zipper...the footage shows it was hardly an accident. Im no sure how AB can claim just because that was 2 series ago, they arent ball scratchers. Just like in the ashes 05...England made it hoop and questioning them was poor sportsmanship...but as it turned out they were ball tampering as admitted by Giles. I wouldn't put it past south africa, they were looking desperate in that 4th innings...then something happened..and it happened so extreme out of no where, it was bound to raise an eyebrow.

  • _Australian_ on February 26, 2014, 3:05 GMT

    @ Albie Hanekom. "but then again he is from nation that just dont understand the word humility." Why would you choose to paint an entire nation with the same brush. In my opinion that comment is far worse than anything Warner has chosen to vent via the media. Imagine the uproar if Warner had of finished his comments by saying "but then again they are a nation of match fixers". To claim one nation of people are all the same is extremely ill thought. I for one certainly don't think for a moment that SA did anything wrong during the test. We were outplayed just as the reverse case in the first test. SA are rightly the No.1 team and just as at Australia's reign at no.1 you should expect oppositions to come hard at you. They want what you have got and that should be all the respect you need.

  • Issac_Samuel on February 26, 2014, 2:08 GMT

    These are stupid accusations. If this is the case, how it was not spotted by the umpires at first place? Why SAF didn't use this tactic to win first test match? True reason is Australian middle order couldn't withstand the pace and swing of Steyn and everyone including Warner knows that. In fact, Ryan Harris played Steyn better than Smith and Haddin.

  • on February 26, 2014, 2:06 GMT

    The bowling on day four was truly amazing. It would be sad to think that it was due to ball tampering, but with SA fined for roughing up the ball in October 2013 and the fact that it happened so suddenly after doing nothing for 3.5 days makes me wonder...

  • on February 26, 2014, 1:19 GMT

    Perhaps Warner is doing what this article says he is doing: not charging cheating, but raising the issue of what umpires will allow. The suggestion that South Africa might cheat by tampering seems to come from defensive fans of that team; perhaps their sensitivity derives from the recent finding (described at the end of this article) that they did cheat by tampering?

  • DigbybynameDigbybynature on February 26, 2014, 0:47 GMT

    Greatest_Game and Saffacricket, I don't believe David Warner accused anyone of cheating but the method in which they believe the ball was being roughened up by the South African team. All David Warner is asking for is a clarification as to if this is legal or not. Also this was a question posed to him by the media, mostly South African I can only assume being their home series, and he has answered honestly from what the Australian team witnessed during the game. He is not, as you accuse him of being unsportsman in their loss. These questions have been posed during many a series by the media and to many a player. We can go back to the days of boring "No Comment" answers or we can have the actual opinion of someone who was out in the middle as to the state of play. I was always taught if a response can be taken two ways, to take it as being nice and not vindicitive. Print media is reknowned for not capturing the true context.

  • on February 25, 2014, 23:52 GMT

    Here's a radical thought: South Africa found greater reverse swing because they're better bowlers than Australia. Shocking, isn't it.

  • crickeymate on February 25, 2014, 23:41 GMT

    Where's that zip, that's the problem. We're no cheats, says de villiers. Sound familiar to anyone. Hallo!

  • Hrolf on February 25, 2014, 23:39 GMT

    The South African team has left themselves open to such suspicions, given Faf's use of a zipper and that he was not condemned by the SA team for doing such. It seems to me that Warner's comments are representative of the thoughts of a lot of cricketers at the top level, and it is probably better that he air them than proceed with his stated plan of finding sneakier ways to scuff the ball up. The ICC will need to act to clarify this situation permanently as it has been festering now for over a decade.

  • on February 25, 2014, 23:09 GMT

    there's no need for excuses, at the end of the day the best team won and that's all that matters.Better luck next time aussies.

  • Shaggy076 on February 25, 2014, 23:06 GMT

    Albie Hanekom; You talk about humility within your nation, yet in the same sentence accuse an entire country for not showing humility. Warner is one man and I agree these comments are wrong. However, your slandering an entire nation for one persons comments lacks the humility you boast off. You have made several posts undermining Australias performance in this series so far. You are guilty of the same boorish behaviour Warner has exhibited here - Yet, you cannot see the irony in that. The other best fast bowler ran through your team in the first test and yet all you could do was talk down his performance. Are you the South African Warner?

  • on February 25, 2014, 22:59 GMT

    No need to make excuses when you lose, the better team won & that's all that matters. better luck next time Aussies.

  • on February 25, 2014, 22:59 GMT

    There seems to be an instantaneous assumption that Warner's observations are ground-less. Has this in fact been established?

  • Hello13 on February 25, 2014, 22:51 GMT

    Typical classless behaviour by the Australians. Even by Australian standards, Warner lacks any kind of decency and respect. The way they behave both on and off the field is a disgrace. They've utterly disrespected South Africa ever since they set foot in the country. They were the same way against England, and the entire world is sick of it, as the reaction to this incident shows.

  • on February 25, 2014, 22:42 GMT

    Ausie mind games - taking it a bit too far now guys

  • on February 25, 2014, 22:35 GMT

    Warner is becoming the worst rent-a-quote in the game.

  • KPWij on February 25, 2014, 22:26 GMT

    Warner is quite fortunate he has incredible talent with the bat, in the field and he seems to be a much loved character within the team, otherwise team management may be thinking twice about picking him. To the public and 3rd party viewers he provides entertainment through a multitude of sources and polarises any barbeque or dinner party conversation... Some people love him because he seems to be a very open about views and he shows 100% commitment to the team and his verbal gaffs can continually be pardoned. Others only see him as a cavalier batsmen who's performances are inconsistent and a little boy that just doesn't know when to keep quiet. Regardless he gives everyone something to see whether it is bad or good!

  • RednWhiteArmy on February 25, 2014, 22:26 GMT

    Yet another epic whinge from the masters of the whinge.

  • on February 25, 2014, 22:25 GMT

    Warner as always with his ignorance and crappy attitude has problem almost every single country he plays with. He is lucky that he is getting runs under his belt, got runs in the first match due to dropped chances. He played on a good pitch where the ball wasn't reversing. When it did he got out. He is a terrible player who is thriving on runa under hia belt. He is the kinda guy that would get punched in the face if it was allowed on a cricket pitch for running his mouth every single time.

  • on February 25, 2014, 22:16 GMT

    Ohhh Warner, of course Warner... Another statement to get some reactions through the press. His professionalism, integrity and general sportsmanship disappeared a long time. The fact that he doesn't care and continues to worsen his reputation seems to say a lot about him as a human being. I doubt any other country in the world would except for Australia, would put up with him in their team.

    Anyway I think he knows... The South Africans do have his number, and his 9 lives are almost up.

  • PeterDW on February 25, 2014, 22:12 GMT

    Well this is a real case of the pot calling the kettle black! Australians have spent the past century developing sledging into an artform, which they are perfectly comfortable displaying even though it is not in the interests of fair play and sportsmanship. Warner should let his bat do the talking - it has far more cred than his mouth. And when it comes to whining, please notice the absence of any comments from the SA dressing room against Mitchel Johnson - his strategy of short pitched bowling round the wicket to left handers may in another era have been described as bodyline.

  • Sheenbob on February 25, 2014, 21:13 GMT

    Why would anyone ever listen to Warner? When he speaks it sounds like he has downs syndrome. I have never thought there was much going on upstairs.

  • SCC08 on February 25, 2014, 21:13 GMT

    Thank god for cricket because I think David Warner wouldn't be very employable. PR Australia need to re-think his media conferences. Rather he be used like Thamo Tsolokeliin a squad, and carry the kit.

  • on February 25, 2014, 21:01 GMT

    Look no one here in Australia takes anything Warner says seriously, so all the people getting worked up over his comments should just relax. Anyway at least Warner has unlocked the secret to reverse swing its all about the wicket keepers gloves! I sure hope Haddin is paying attention his lack of glove work is obviously why the Aussie pacemen can never get it reversing consistently!

  • Greatest_Game on February 25, 2014, 21:00 GMT

    @ Ragav999, concluding a meandering a vacuous argument, asked " Does this indicate a difference between SA and Australian fans?"

    No. It does not. There are gentlemen and cowards on both sides of the divide. Unfortunately a lot more Australians comment here, so we see more of their rubbish. But, it comes from both sides. Cultural sensitivity is hugely important in SA's enormously multicultural population, and so Saffas are more circumspect, and not as grossly outspoken, but no less guilty.

    What is most disconcerting is when commenters from other nations chirp in with THEIR rubbish just to stir the pot. It eases the weight of the almighty chip on their shoulders, and makes them feel better about their inferiority complexes. They make sanctimonious anti Aus or anti SA comments that are of no value, as their aim is not to inform, but rather to denigrate. Thes third party trolls are a truly bad problem. They They obscure the debate for all. They have no ethics at all.

  • TheCricketEmpireStrikesBack on February 25, 2014, 20:58 GMT

    Agree with @PFEL - press a button and get a reaction. Some great cricket in this series and the only thing that is missing is some Ashes-like hype. Well, Davey has made his contribution as have just about everyone else here.

  • on February 25, 2014, 20:27 GMT

    Someone should Warn-er him not to speak period. This guy is radical in every sense but fun to watch when he's batting. I dont take him serious and i dont think anyone else will either. He's like a kid whose ice was just stolen...pass him the kleenex

  • on February 25, 2014, 20:25 GMT

    this guy has his head at the wrong place :P he is talking like a 16 yr old. Why cant he accept that it was some great bowling by a great bowling team..esp Steyn who has performed all over the world with great consistency...warner may bat well, but rest of his attitude and persona is pure 3rd grade.

  • on February 25, 2014, 20:24 GMT

    No one should even try to make Steyn angry. He is THE STEYN.

  • PFEL on February 25, 2014, 20:15 GMT

    Warner doing what he does best. And all the oblivious fans and opposition will throw accusations at him and get upset without the slightest clue that that was the whole point of what he was doing. Meanwhile he's sitting back and laughing.

  • nastee on February 25, 2014, 20:09 GMT

    David is a batsman of amazing capabilities unfortunately the same can not be said of his verbosity

  • Greatest_Game on February 25, 2014, 19:57 GMT

    @ The Big Boo Hoo writes "I personally think Australia have been far too polite for too long."

    Its time you knew that the general consensus here seems that NO-ONE thinks you are in any way polite, & Australia & Warner have been far far more polite than you. Now, given that Warner is being heavily criticized for his statement, can you imagine the depth of opinion felt about your accusations?

    Its an unfortunate truism that to fully convey how we feel about what we see as your lack of any sportsmanship, we would have to violate cricinfo's terms of use. Even this post may not be published because what I am stating is not diplomatic, although entirely valid.

    The Australian cricket team and management ARE polite. Boof & Clarke are no wilting daisies - they will speak their minds if so motivated. Aus have been polite because they ARE sportsmen. They are men of integrity. Unfortunately, Warner does not seem to be, & you, his chief cheerleader, make him appear diplomatic! Straight truth!

  • Greatest_Game on February 25, 2014, 19:26 GMT

    @ Ragav999 informs us that "It seems as if the unexpected success of this Australian team ... has not pleased fans of other countries and are now finding opportunities to find fault with anything this Australian team does."

    No mate - you're mixed up here. No one is finding fault with or criticizing the Australian team. We are, however, having a bloody good laugh at the rubbish Warner spouts, which is as far from the truth as are your assertions about "fans of other countries."

    Warner thinks it is 'mental gamesmanship' to make outrageous & unsubstantiated accusations about the opposition.

  • Saffacricket on February 25, 2014, 19:04 GMT

    @Ragav999. Re Warner, if you suspect your opposition of cheating, you let a senior person with authority take it up with umpires. You don't fling wild accusations of cheating at your opponents in the media. Especially if you have lost. It's to do with sportsmanship, something Warner seems unfamiliar with. He is a poor role model, and a sad advertisement for the way players should conduct themselves. This team have folded before - look at Durham. Go and listen to Ian Chappell's latest interview as well. Re Smith: you are taking his comments wildly out of context. He said the change in the pitch was A contributing factor, not THE factor and was at pains to stress that the reason we lost so badly was we played really badly. He said the fans will be rightly angry, and that the players deserve everything that comes their way. Go back and read his interview in full, rather then grabbing sound bites. Your batsmen folded, get over it! Don't be so one-eyed!

  • on February 25, 2014, 18:50 GMT

    How can anyone compare saying the pitch suited someone to a player cheated? As for SA fighting back and decimating aus batting line up - as opposed to being suspicious could it not just be a champion team fighting back as it has done on numerous occasions with both bat and ball when it seems they have lost as they have done over the last 8 years? The one series loss excluded :) as for Warner the reason he is gerting so much ridicule is cause he hasnt shown an ounce of respect to anyone else in the last 6 months so people are actually fed up of hearing his opinion

  • on February 25, 2014, 18:05 GMT

    typical aussies... better to accept the defeat and learn how to maintain the ball like SA did.. they have lot of such opinions.. when they sledge its ok.. when Indians does.. it s a problem..

  • ZkAneela on February 25, 2014, 18:00 GMT

    Oh warner warner warner...what are you doing man??? You think it will help you or ur team,,,you are just making it even more difficult for you and ur team coz these sort of comments will do only one thing,it will make STEYN MORE ANGRY...you hear STEYN MORE ANGRY,,I hope you got it.Now get ready.

  • BigINDFan on February 25, 2014, 18:00 GMT

    The weak link for Aus is their batting. Haddin saved them in the Ashes more than often from tight situations with able support from Smith. Rogers and Warner are great in building on an advantage but Clarke's form or lack there of is making the difference. SA is strong all around and the key difference was Amla finally got his touch back in the second innings. The first test was a battle of fast bouncers which Mitch won easily. The second test was a swing fest which Steyn won easily. The third one should be a cracker and hopefully test of the titans :-)

  • InfiniteWhite on February 25, 2014, 17:42 GMT

    Smith: It's the pitch, not Mitch. Warner: It's AB, not Steyn. Mutual disrespect, or fierce rivalry, I'd say.

  • Ragav999 on February 25, 2014, 17:41 GMT

    @Saffacricket: Warner may be all of the things that you mentioned. This quote "He is also unwise to be so loud when he is unproven in Test cricket." made by you is the same thought among most of those commenting on this article.

    What does his batting ability have to do with asking the umpires on how the SA wicket keeper handled the ball?

    If ability has everything to do with it, neither you nor I nor any one who has not played international cricket should be commenting on these forums or criticizing or giving out advice.

    Australian captains are gracious in admitting that they were outplayed. But what about Graeme Smith who attributed the loss of wickets to Mitchell Johnson in the 1st Test to the pitch? Did we hear any reproach from any SA fan? Does this indicate a difference between SA and Australian fans?

  • McTSA on February 25, 2014, 17:33 GMT

    Is this fella for real? Seriously? The Aussies got thumped good and proper. Go learn from it. And if you are that worried about ball tampering, surely you can go watch the recorded footage?

    A true sportsman and gentleman of the game will try learn from what went wrong and work tirelessly to fix it?

    Finally, Warner would do well to quit his rhetoric and banter, and focus on own game. The umpires, third umpire and match referee are all there to ensure they game is played on an even footing and with no skullduggery or nonsense by either team or their players.

    See you in Cape Town, Warner. Enough said.

  • Saffacricket on February 25, 2014, 17:06 GMT

    @Ragav999. Warner comes across as an unpleasant individual and a boor. He is also unwise to be so loud when he is unproven in Test cricket. Past behaviour necessarily determines people's perceptions of any person, including you and me. His is worse than most. This is in stark contrast to the usual attitude of almost all other Australian players of graciousness in defeat. Warner has already created an image of himself as a thug and a big mouth. He has now added that of a whiner and sore loser to it. It's not what I expect of an Australian cricketer. The fact that we criticize Warner does not mean we tar all Aussies with the same brush, either. Many. I think most, Aussie bloggers have slammed him for it. Good on them! I would be ashamed of any Proteas player who made comments like that.

  • on February 25, 2014, 16:59 GMT

    When will the aussies start accepting defeat as genuine sportsmen... Shame to see them stoop to such levels to justify their own failure.

    If what he says has any sense then Mitchell Johnsons shoulder should have been tested after the first test.

    This disgraces not only the Aussie spirit but the spirit of the game for a fan of the sport as well.

  • ZainE111 on February 25, 2014, 16:40 GMT

    After the Centurion test, SA fans spent a lot of time complaining about the team selection and the performance of a few players. And all the dropped catches!

    BUT we also gave credit and respect for the way Mitchell Johnson bowled and lauded him for the impact he is having on cricket. I also felt the three centurions batted superbly (Warner included!).

    It is disappointing to see David Warner and Aussie fans make such childish comments about SA's victory in PE. Our three centurions and Dale Steyn deserve the same credit the Aussies got after their win.

  • tamperbay on February 25, 2014, 16:36 GMT

    to me, ball-tampering is the biggest issue in the game at the moment and it DOES need to be looked at more closely. Warner suspects that it played a part in the 2nd innings collapse and so do I. Lots of others closer to the international teams probably do too, but Dave is the only one with enough balls to bring it up. Reverse swing is great for the game! But too much of it isn't. In this case (1 for 141 to 6 for 166) is too much of it. This test could have come down to the wire and been really exciting, but after the 30th over the conditions were too much in favour of the bowlers. If the aussie bowlers had that same ball in THEIR hands, the proteas would have experienced a similar collapse. The pitch was dead and the proteas didn't pick a spinner, so at 1 for 140, they were desperate and suspecting ball-tampering makes complete sense!

  • Srini_Indian on February 25, 2014, 16:36 GMT

    @Ragav999: What a load of garbage. If he saw ( not feels) any suspicious things, he should complain to his captain. clarke should take it to umpire and so on. He earned no right to criticize other player/team's integrity in media. He is certainly hasn't achieved anything in his career to talk this big against a world's #1 team in their own backyard. BTW, apart from australians, nobody sees their ashes victory as a some sort of revival. They are still a bunch of mediocre players led by a great player. Its only johnson's purple patch carrying the team. They're average, nothing more, nothing less.

  • on February 25, 2014, 16:23 GMT

    All I can say is it's great that I come from a nation of humble champions like Amla, de Villiers, Kallis etc who never makes excuses and gets on with the job at hand. I would be embarrassed if this guy was from my team but then again he is from nation that just dont understand the word humility. One of the best fast bowlers in history ran through them with incredible swing bowling and I suggest he and his team mates rather focuses on handling it then making ridiculous claims. I actually cant wait to finish off this series and let the aussies be on the way back home, their on field and of field behaviour is just appalling and their constant disrespect of us in our own nation has just gotten too much. You wont be missed

  • xylo on February 25, 2014, 16:13 GMT

    Warner also questions Hashim Amla's batting techniques to figure out how someone who has not been scoring even a 50 goes on to score a 100. "Clarkey doesn't do that", he remarked.

  • mvkk on February 25, 2014, 16:01 GMT

    Is David Warner going to say that the reason they dropped him so many times is because they want the ball to go to the ground to help them with reverse swing!!!! Come on now with the excuses

  • Ragav999 on February 25, 2014, 15:53 GMT

    All the people questioning Warner's batting skills are way off the mark and missing the point. Even a debutant or a tailender or a spectator is eligible to query the methods of any team if they feel suspicious. Any one who is angry at Warner or criticising him for this press conference are doing it based on his past behaviour and their own perceptions about Warner and Australia.

    It seems as if the unexpected success of this Australian team for the last couple of months has not pleased fans of other countries and are now finding opportunities to find fault with anything this Australian team does.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on February 25, 2014, 15:43 GMT

    I love these articles! Brings out the best of banter from fans if nothing else.

    I heard Warner has just submitted a petition that the South Africans should only be allowed to wear ballet shoes whilst fielding next game, so they don't scuff up the pitch too much. AB's not allowed to wear his wicket-keeping gloves either; from now on, the wicket-keeper has to use a clear plastic bucket. That way, Wade has a better chance I suppose at getting another chance as Australia's wicket-keeper.

  • cricketfanwrites on February 25, 2014, 15:22 GMT

    Ball tampering has been around since the birth of the game. TV coverage has curbed it some, but cannot stop it completely.Players should stop complaining and apply themselves. Batters and Bowlers - this is test cricket put up or shut up.

    Sets up an interesting finish to this series (too short). Would have love to see a five or even a six test series. Will SA win and maintain their number one ranking? Or will Aus win and validate their recent winning ways? A five or six test series would have made either outcome much clearer.

  • SurlyCynic on February 25, 2014, 15:14 GMT

    Does Mr Warner also have an excuse for why SA outscored the Aussies to such an extent in the 1st innings?

    Wow, what a surprise, reverse swing became more of a factor when the pitch dried out as the match progressed. It's not like it was reversing after 10 overs on a damp grassy pitch is it? Anyone who saw how dry and abrasive the pitch was would have expected reverse swing. No need for any 'help', just bowl 30 or 40 overs on that strip of sandpaper, moisten one side, then find a bowler who can bowl at pace with the correct wrist position (hint: not like MJ).

    In the recent Ind v SA test at the Wanderers India suddenly got the ball to reverse in the 1st innings and took 4 quick wickets incl Amla, AB and Kallis. No complaints from South Africans, just praise for Shami's skill.

    Losing a lot of respect for the Aussies here which is sad after two great contests.

  • SA_Scot on February 25, 2014, 15:02 GMT

    @GermanPlayer, Yes, a very keen eye you've got there. This makes sense to me. wonderful execution of their skills once more by the Safs.

    I would also go so far as to say that Warner may perhaps be protesting too much. Could it be that he is in fact part of this elaborate plot, and has pocketed a wad of cash.

    I posit that Warner has a fine, almost undetectable sheaf of sandpaper on his blade, and that the South African bowlers have the skill to land the rough side of the ball towards it prior to contact. This would produce even further roughage to the ball, aiding reverse swing further.

    Supreme skills by the Saf bowlers and fielders, as well as a turncoat in David Warner.

    Much like David Warner's many statements, this picture we have painted could not possibly be refuted.

  • SAFan11 on February 25, 2014, 14:43 GMT

    I love all this talk from the Aus team. Either some of the players or CA have a share in the newspapers because they love to sprout sensational nonsense. I won't get into the merits of the accusation but the fact that he is bringing unsubstantiated accusation to media attention just makes him look like an arrogant sore looser in the eyes of everyone else but the most rabid Aus fan. Don't get me wrong there are may rabid SA fans who cause endless embarrassment by sprouting nonsense on various online forums. I am just pleased our cricketers are humble and don't do the same.

  • rajattiwaari on February 25, 2014, 14:34 GMT

    Instead of saying all this, warner should have simply acknowledged that SA were the better team and Steyn is a far better and consistent performer than Johnson. He comes out with some rubbish or the other frequently these days!

  • GermanPlayer on February 25, 2014, 14:12 GMT

    Now i know why they've been dropping Warner all the series. The theory goes like this:

    Warner hits the ball the hardest in the Aussie team. It is therefore good to keep him out there so that he can scuff up the ball quickly. Because he hits the ball hardest, the ball has a bigger momentum when hitting the ground. All the SA bowlers have to ensure is that when the ball hits Warner's bat, it should hit on the rough side.

    If you carefully look at the dropped catches, in all the cases the ball hit the rough side on the ground after being dropped. This is difficult to execute but not impossible as the SA showed.

  • tamperbay on February 25, 2014, 14:10 GMT

    @jmcilhinney the fact that Warner has been dropped a few times is not luck, its because the proteas can't catch!

  • on February 25, 2014, 14:08 GMT

    Boy David Warner!!! grow up.....You are in the fast lane....Face the fury of Dale Steyn....instead of commenting "loose" stuff concentrate on next test...

  • on February 25, 2014, 14:07 GMT

    what comes around goes around. Aussies have big mouths, it happens with jimmy and broad when England toured Australia, Clarke was blamed and warn, it was their tactic to unsettle the Poms, so warner stop whinning and get back to work. steyn always reverse swing and sometimes it doesn't come right and this times it did.

    when SA lose in Pta none of this nonsense suffice in fact smith said the pitch suit Mitchy so Warner the writing is on the wall. "Pitches in PE suite steyn"

    if that is the case why did steyn manage 4 wicket not 10 wicket haul, did philander use the reverse swing? what abt yourself when you were beaten by a part timer. steyn took 4 and 6 was shared among other bolwers who didn't reverse the ball.

  • ashleycrg on February 25, 2014, 14:06 GMT

    @thebigbooda ... lets try and explain it in simpler terms. its like when I go: 'I'm stealing money, but I'm doing it where no-one see. he's stealing money and he don't mind being seen!!!!" booohooohoooo, at least I'm an honest thief!!! boooohoohooo

  • Yankydoodle on February 25, 2014, 14:02 GMT

    The ball also gets roughed up by crashing into the advertising boards and the stands. Then the obvious bowling action and shining of the ball contributes to reverse swing.

    South Africa were just better exponents of the reverse swing. That's all there is to it.

    I think he's still in shock that OZ lost 9 wickets in one session. Reactionary/knee jerk comment i feel.

  • Tumbarumbar on February 25, 2014, 13:59 GMT

    I'm far more interested in knowing why the bowlers, as a group, managed to face more balls and score more runs than numbers 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 given that the bowlers batted in worse light and at a time when the ball was really hooping. Come on Clarke move up the order, it's not as if you've contributed anything for the last 5 matches or so anyway so you might as well at least take the shine off the cherry for someone else.

  • jmcilhinney on February 25, 2014, 13:50 GMT

    @TheBigBoohoo on (February 25, 2014, 13:17 GMT), Australia really need to ask the umpires about the unfair distribution of luck so far this series too. Australia just aren't getting their fair share. I mean, I don't think the number of times David Warner has been dropped is even into double figures yet.

  • mrd1911 on February 25, 2014, 13:48 GMT

    Correct me if I am wrong. Teams will try and gain an advantage by maybe trying to affect the state of the ball to achieve swing, reverse swing, extra spin etc. They will shine one side of the ball, scuff up the other side of the ball, raise the seam etc. Also, sometimes the pitch will be prepared to suit the home teams strengths. The captain who wins the toss will base the decision on whether to bat or bowl on the conditions that suit his team the best. The bowling team might slow the game down by slowing the over rate. Batsmen take extra time to get ready between deliveries before the close of play to minimize the risk of losing a wicket. Am I correct? At which point does any of this become acceptable or unacceptable? Acceptable if you win and you have committed the above? Unacceptable if you lose and your opponents are the "guilty" party? Maybe this should be answered by that perfect team who have never done any of the above.

  • jmcilhinney on February 25, 2014, 13:47 GMT

    I find it quite funny that a few days ago someone commented how Australia just got on with the game and didn't complain and teams like England should take note. I've got no problem with Australia bringing up an issue if they believe that there is one but it does sound a bit hypocritical of Warner to say that Australia have a problem with SA working on the ball when everyone, including Australia, tries to do the same thing.

  • on February 25, 2014, 13:44 GMT

    Countries should make pitches to favour Australia so that they can win away matches. This is what Australian fans demand. Johnson want to bounce out every batsman. If you leave that ball then what is his next move??? Steyn and the rest bowl and uses skill to get you out. Watson is back with that big front pad of his.

  • ashleycrg on February 25, 2014, 13:42 GMT

    @thebigbooda .... what I find incredible is the fact that you take everything warner said about sa as nothing but the truth, but then just ignore the fact that he said that the Australian was trying to do the same thing, but with less effect!!

  • on February 25, 2014, 13:40 GMT

    Really disappointing to see a player that seems to play with his heart resort to excuses after the loss. The level of bowling from SA even with the loss of Parnell is to be praised not questioned so Warner should stop talking/tweeting and get back to the nets! Its been a series of high quality and I can wait for the next test to begin

  • on February 25, 2014, 13:38 GMT

    indeed sour grapes that's it. Learn to play the swinging ball pain and simple. They suffered in England and now here

  • Greatest_Game on February 25, 2014, 13:35 GMT

    I was at Cape Town airport when Warner's plane landed. I knew it was his plane because I could still hear the whining once the engines had been turned off.

  • tamperbay on February 25, 2014, 13:31 GMT

    @Simon Davis - so you are saying that part of the proteas strategy was to let Warner and Rogers smash their way to 1 for 140, so that the ball could get roughed up!? Maybe the strategy was to set bad field placements, drop catches, give overthrows so that Steyn would get angry and kick the ball, thus distorting it and making it reverse. All the signs were there for ball tampering except the video evidence - dramatic change in ball behaviour, massive reverse swing as early as the 30th over when none had been achieve throughout the whole match. 1 for 140 to 6 for 166 speaks for itself. All wickets were from reverse swing. The proteas were DESPERATE. 1-0 down in the series. rain forecast for the next day australia smashing them everywhere. a history of recent admitted tampering (Faf against Pakistan). to me it all adds up and Warner has a right to be suspicious

  • TheBigBoodha on February 25, 2014, 13:17 GMT

    What I find incredible is that people just expect Australia to sit back and take blatant pitch doctoring and obvious scuffing of the ball - but if they complain they are the ones who are in the wrong. I'm all for it. Who cares if people get angry? Australia have copped this kind of nonsense for long enough. If they don't complain it will just continue. I personally think Australia have been far too polite for too long. Let's call a spade a spade. Good on Warner for having the guts to speak up.

  • on February 25, 2014, 13:02 GMT

    South Africa had a reverse swing strategy from the beginning of the 2nd innings. Warner and Rogers were smacking it around like bulldozers, which scuffs it up, then SA bowled into the now dusty pitch with JP Duminy for a lot of overs and threw the ball as often as they could from the boundary with ABD letting it bounce as much as possible. Then they killed them with it. Wiping a glove on it? Please.

  • SurlyCynic on February 25, 2014, 12:57 GMT

    In general the series has been played very hard but fair, with a decent spirit between the sides (and even some of the commenters on here!) so it's disappointing that Warner uses the press to make personal attacks on SA players. I never thought I'd see an Aussie cricketer doing this sort of thing.

    First he basically accused Philander of faking an injury to avoid playing on a 'flat pitch' in Adelaide and said he was only effective on seaming tracks. Philander is a proud man who is representing his country, accusing him of faking injury is as low as it gets. Now he admits to trying to prepare the ball for reverse swing but makes vague accusations about AB because it swung more for SA (later in the match on a dry pitch, in the hands of a great swing bowler in Steyn).

    He is attacking the character of Philander and AB and given Warner's record he should be the last one to comment publicly on the character of other cricketers. Perhaps he is just missing the Walkabout?

  • ZainE111 on February 25, 2014, 12:45 GMT

    This is quite sad. If the Aussie players were serious about this they would have went to the umpires directly; not to the media. This is just more mind games from them (the bull dot dot dot) - because they know that scuffing is a sensitive issue with South Africans since Faf was fined in the UAE.

    It's really terrible sportsmanship. The Aussies under Steve Waugh would never have resorted to this kind of childishness - those guys would win based on the quality of cricket they played; not by getting into opposition teams' heads.

  • ToneMalone on February 25, 2014, 12:41 GMT

    Warner: pay less attention to AB's keeping gloves, and a little more attention to his batting technique and shot selection. And learn from it.

    If South Africa stop dropping Warner, facing the old ball and reverse swing will be the least of his problems.

  • on February 25, 2014, 12:38 GMT

    Condition of the ball is the biggest arbiter of the conditions for reverse swing.

  • on February 25, 2014, 12:36 GMT

    Warner always in the news for the wrong reasons, they get their butt cut and still making excuses like little children. Warner is a problem child and looking for something to justify their licking they get, they didn't know what hit them; NO was it swing?

  • London_Meistry on February 25, 2014, 12:35 GMT

    That's an all time low from Warner. He takes too much time thinking of such meaningless excuses. The bloke should be instead concentrating on his technique!

    Even if the Aussies had worked enough on the ball, question is would they have executed the reverse swing as much as the Proteas bowlers (Particularly Steyn)?

    I predict that the Proteas will all have a giggle at these childish remarks. Disappointing to see an international cricketer comment like this...!

  • Chad950 on February 25, 2014, 12:35 GMT

    Winners dont whinge Dave.

  • Srini_Indian on February 25, 2014, 12:24 GMT

    This is why I've never had any respect for australian team or his fans. I'm sure many would agree with me. Face it warner, you're just a one-dimensional slogger who can play well only when your team is 200 ahead. australian bowlers have no clue about reverse swing, I remember they couldn't reverse swing the ball even in dry pitches in India and hence their bowlers were toothless. Rather than acknowledging that, australian fans complained about pitch doctoring to console themselves. Steyn and co ripped through brittle australian batting with ease. I could sense the fear in warner's eyes when the ball starts reversing. Hope SA crushes these big-mouthed aussies.

  • Brenton1 on February 25, 2014, 12:01 GMT

    Would you like some cheese with that whine Mr Warner? If the umpires thought the Proteas were doing anything illegal they would have reported it. Perhaps punishment should be brought in for players who insinuate other teams of wrongdoing. Investigate the claims. If they are valid punish the culprits. If not punish the accusors. At least then players will think twice before commenting.

  • on February 25, 2014, 11:51 GMT

    This does ring somewhat of sour grapes. Perhaps someone should let Warner know thats why we dropped him so many times, to rough the ball up. I myself am fairly sure that what we saw from south africa during this test match was skill and not conspiracy

  • AH_USA on February 25, 2014, 11:51 GMT

    Warner needs to learn to show humility when winning and grace when loosing. But again, he is Warner.

  • Mambahunter on February 25, 2014, 11:48 GMT

    This Aussie boy just doesn't learn. He is again tickling the dragon that is the SA bowling attack. He better hope his team can handle the flames that is bound to follow....

  • GermanPlayer on February 25, 2014, 11:25 GMT

    Just one defeat and the Aussies stoop to this level! How about not walking twice when they edged the ball? Well that's fine because they le the umpires are there to do a job. But when it comes to the other side doing something not even remotely as close as not walking, they start telling the umpires that they need help! I didn't know that the Aussies would stoop to this level to gain a mental advantage. Is that guy Lehmann putting them up to it?

  • Markdal on February 25, 2014, 11:17 GMT

    Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I wonder how teams were ever dismissed before the discovery of "reverse swing" back in the 70s or so. It now seems that, if you don't have a bunch of bowlers who can manipulate the ball, then you are seen to be behind the pack. Perhaps they should look at perfecting "new ball swing" once again, as that will have a team 6-for quicker than the other way around. It's like off spin these days - the thinking is that, if you can't bowl a doosra, then you aren't worth your salt as an off-spinner. I'm sure that would be news to Laker, Gibbs, Tayfield etc etc.

  • BasiqueTrevor on February 25, 2014, 11:08 GMT

    That great thinker of our time is at it again. oi. Somebody shut up him up quickly please.

  • on February 25, 2014, 11:07 GMT

    poasted by cricket2dbone.

    This is a case of the fox and the grapes, when the fox can't get the grapes he says it is sour, Australia is like the fox and SA is the grapes, they did not get a win so everything is bad, if they did win or draw the match they would have boasted of their talents, how sad.

  • Praxis on February 25, 2014, 11:04 GMT

    @ShutTheGate, it depends on the condition of the ball, humidity, nature of the surface & more importantly the bowlers pace, wrist & seam position which not just anyone can do. Also, it takes long enough to 'work' on the ball as it loses the shine & gets rough in one side. There are more than enough articles available on the internet about reverse sing, you may search for some.

  • Marktc on February 25, 2014, 11:03 GMT

    If Oz had won, Warner would not be whining. Oz won first test well. SA won second test well. Stop being a baby and play cricket.

  • SunAndSea on February 25, 2014, 11:01 GMT

    Getting his excuses in early.

  • Jagger on February 25, 2014, 10:56 GMT

    Kirstenfan - No. It was because of the number of times it hit the deck after South Africa dropped him.

  • thedreamer on February 25, 2014, 10:53 GMT

    The inner part of wicketkeeper's gloves have dots to enhance the grip on the ball and I believe Warner or the Australian team were referring to that. But that's how crazy and weird the claim can get.

  • Kirstenfan on February 25, 2014, 10:39 GMT

    I think SA got the ball to reverse because of the number of times it hit the edge of Warner's bat!

  • Mr.PotatoesTomatoes on February 25, 2014, 10:31 GMT

    Ah Warner is at it again.The Aussies would do everyone a favor by handling issues that peeve them through proper channels and not slandering teams publicly.If they feel aggrieved(and why wouldn't they after being blown away like that) there are better ways of dealing with it. Now about the issue itself.Anyone who knows a thing or two about reverse swing should be aware that most of the time its going to be very unequal for the two teams playing.Maintaining the ball is a very shady business and different teams use different techniques to cleverly maintain the shine on one side of the cherry.When it comes to right and wrong ways of getting the ball to reverse swing its another gray area and you are pretty much ok if you don't get caught or are not a Pakistani(Faf's UAE let off).If the Aussies feel that the umpires should have done something regarding AB's handling of the ball they should take it up with the officials instead of commenting on it before the media.

  • duncanmoo on February 25, 2014, 10:25 GMT

    EVIDENCE, that is what matters. Whining like a baby makes him sound like he should be playing for England! I really thought the AUS team were made of better stuff.

  • heathrf1974 on February 25, 2014, 10:23 GMT

    Is wiping the ball with the wicket-keepers gloves illegal?

  • ygkd on February 25, 2014, 10:23 GMT

    May I be so presumptuous as to question Warner's swing tactics? He swings hard at the ball time and time again. This works on bouncier tracks. Or works for a while, or against lesser attacks. I may be an Aussie but I still say - give me Amla any day, the quiet achiever.

  • stone-mason on February 25, 2014, 10:21 GMT

    Davey, Davey, Davey... What on earth exists which is ridiculous that you wouldn't say? david Warner is contributing to the Aussie team with runs which is good however in this series mainly due to our SAFFA's inept catching performances. His contribution in the change-rooms I'm not aware of, but could also be good. His PR ability has got absolutely no skill or finesse to it. Why the management team dont shut him up is beneath everyone but them, unless he is instructed to come-up with such ludicrous and arrogant statements. Why on earth cant ther be more Aussie mouthers in the same vein as their captain. Pup is personally my favourite Aussie Captain as he acknowledges good play from the opposition and is very seldom, if at all, over the top when they perform well. To Warner and all those (xtrafalgarx Incl) who say speaking your ill equipped mind is good, Look - Listen & Learn from Michael Clark. Do Your best Proteas to rewrite history beating a very worthy Aussie team.

  • aeroboy.ae on February 25, 2014, 10:20 GMT

    "a bad workman", i will say to Mr. Warner !!

  • Shaggy076 on February 25, 2014, 10:19 GMT

    Warner; I know a lot of time you just speak honestly, I didnt have a problem with anything you have said this series but to suggest a team is breaking the rules in the media is the biggest no no going around. Fair enough if the Coach and Captain have a problem speak to the umpires in charge but this should never get in the media.

  • PrasPunter on February 25, 2014, 10:19 GMT

    Why can't we , for a change, simply accept the fact that we were outplayed !! Why can't we, for a change, start to respect the opponents !! Why can't Warner, for a change, let his bat do the talking !!

  • PrasPunter on February 25, 2014, 10:17 GMT

    I think it will be better for CA to have counselling sessions on facing the media !! Better for Warner to practice facing the reverse-swinging thunderbolts from Steyn than this sort of stuff !!

  • sachinssnn on February 25, 2014, 10:12 GMT

    ah this fellow always talks, he thinks he's a legend. what a pity...lol...ignore his lame comments...he questioned about philander's ability to bowl without a grassy surface...look what has happened...he's just another pathetic aussie...

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on February 25, 2014, 10:11 GMT

    "We worked on the ball a lot in England and we got the ball to reverse a lot there and we got the ball reversing a little at home..." - oh right Mr Warner, so it's perfectly fine for Australia to do this, but not other teams?

    I don't get this whole "throwing the ball onto the pitch" thing. Swing is brought about by one side of the ball remaining shiny/smooth, and the other being roughened/scored. Is Warner trying to say that the South African's somehow managed to ensure that every single time they threw the ball onto the pitch, the rough side hit the deck? Does he want umpires to check wicket-keeper's gloves (like referees do in bowing) to make sure they're not hiding a wee bit of sandpaper or some sort of buffing cloth? Definitely sour milk in his cereal this morning.

  • dillyk on February 25, 2014, 10:04 GMT

    Real classy aus & dave Bad sportsmanship aside, dave's logic on the rough hands and gloves is just beyond embarrassing.... what was haddin wearing? woolen mittens? maybe CA should insist on proteas using hand lotion...... ah no wait if aus don't win then that would surely be the reason for the swinging ball The fact that CA supports this by allowing it or not apposing should be embarrassing to australians

  • HennopsRiverEnd on February 25, 2014, 9:58 GMT

    These guys are becoming pathetic!!

  • on February 25, 2014, 9:58 GMT

    I actually like this Warner chap, he talks alot and backs it up with his onfield performances. However I doubt the Proteas used any illegal tactics to scuff up the ball. Our bowlers just have the the skill to make it reverse that's all. The Newlands test is going to be a belter.

  • austentayshus on February 25, 2014, 9:57 GMT

    Warner get over your self fella ... these are saffas they dont do that . it is normally some asian teams has habbit of doing that you know who you are

  • bobbo2 on February 25, 2014, 9:57 GMT

    Warner should not be anywhere near a microphone. Good player but no intellectual giant.

  • STEYNOHOLIC on February 25, 2014, 9:53 GMT

    Oiy!! David Warner: Perhaps it's that thing they call, let me think, hmmm "SKILL"

  • on February 25, 2014, 9:51 GMT

    Reverse swing happens when one side is scuffed and the shiny side made heavier with the saliva. Then instead of moving towards the rough side it moves to the heavier shiny side. We get it every weekend in cape town when we play club games. the bowling action helps also contribute to it. A slinging action like waqar Younis is ideal for it to go in huge.

  • STEYNOHOLIC on February 25, 2014, 9:50 GMT

    @ Abdullah Ansari: LOL!!!!!! THAT STATEMENT sent me into a laughing fit!

  • on February 25, 2014, 9:44 GMT

    More pathetic baiting from one of the most detestable players in the game.

  • SydneyIndi on February 25, 2014, 9:43 GMT

    Hellooooo CA, DelhiDaredevils, NSW Blues, SydneyThunder, etc! Do U have risk management procedures put in place? Appears not. Well U need to do that quickly. Biggest risk for U is to let Warner speak to the media! U need to avoid it at all costs. If U have no one else, at least give him a written statement to read & tell him to not answer any quetions. Hmm on second thoughts, that is not a good idea either, journos can easily cajole him to speak, that would be a disaster!

  • VinodGupte on February 25, 2014, 9:39 GMT

    are you sure, warner, that it wasn't the white bear on the north pole that influenced the swing?

  • on February 25, 2014, 9:39 GMT

    in india Zaheer got the ball to reverse swing as early as the 15th over even when australian couldn't extract reverse swing in 50 overs..!! what a sore loser he is..!!!

  • Mr.MartinM on February 25, 2014, 9:34 GMT

    This time its David Warner's turn to the typical Aussie thing. Blame it on others. Every match the Australian Cricket team loose, there is a story to it. TYPICAL.

  • xtrafalgarx on February 25, 2014, 9:33 GMT

    I love this guy. He just speaks his mind and isn't afraid to be himself, hate it or love it. It takes bravery and he has been backing it up on the field so you can't begrudge him, that's just the way he is.

  • tinkertinker on February 25, 2014, 9:33 GMT

    Well whatever they did i wish our lot would learn how to do it as well, stop whinging davey and copy them if it's so damn easy to do and then get away with.

  • on February 25, 2014, 9:22 GMT

    I love watching Warner bat - but otherwise he should just shut his gob. Steyn is far more skillful at reverse than anyone they have - end of.

  • himsez on February 25, 2014, 9:20 GMT

    Looks like warner does not what he is talking about. use your bat.

  • Duidelik on February 25, 2014, 9:19 GMT

    Maybe the match referee should force all the SA players to field wearing kiddy gloves or mittens, otherwise their ''rough'' palms will damage the ball!!!! Really??

  • ModernUmpiresPlz on February 25, 2014, 9:11 GMT

    He did wipe the ball with his glove every delivery. Not sure if that would actually help to rough it up though. I was wondering why he was doing it when I was watching.

  • Yorker_length on February 25, 2014, 9:08 GMT

    Mr Warner conveniently forgets that in order for your wicket keeper to work on the ball you have to get it past the bat. Whose fault is it that the Aussie bowlers kept on finding the middle of the SA batsmen's bats. Maybe he would to better to focus his detective skills on whether or not the SA batsmen's bats complies with ICC regulations...

  • DRS_Flawed_NeedsImprovement on February 25, 2014, 9:07 GMT

    unable oz finds another reason for loss.

  • gimme-a-greentop on February 25, 2014, 9:06 GMT

    David Warner, the moral guardian of Test cricket. Maybe the format really is screwed. @BradmanBestEver - with all due respect for your concern over sportsmanship, which is great, I think you have missed the absurdity of Warner making these comments when admitting that Australia also try and 'work' on the ball (not to mention his sportsmanship, which both on and off the field is bad - punching opponents, making ill-informed comments about opponents to media etc etc.).

  • on February 25, 2014, 8:48 GMT

    David Warner doing his best impression of an Englishman ? Oh David tell us another one.

  • SoorajPA on February 25, 2014, 8:47 GMT

    This comment is not without prcedent. Faf was penalized in UAE in the series against Pakistan. Now AB !!!

  • anidhoni99 on February 25, 2014, 8:47 GMT

    Why do the australians HAVE to blame the opposition after a loss?Im at a loss for words.

  • centurion3 on February 25, 2014, 8:45 GMT

    I'm not sure Warner or most people for that matter know the physics behind reverse swing. If you do, its pretty obvious why Steyn got the ball to reverse the most and Siddle the least.

    1.The amount of reverse swing is higher at higher pace. 2. The more the shiny side faces the batsman, the greater reverse swing occurs, which is why Dale Steyn who bowls his balls with the seam pointing towards 2nd/3rd slip was able to reverse the ball the most into the right handers because a large cross-sectional area of the shiny side faced the batsman. On the contrary he was hardly able to get the ball to reverse away from the right handed batsman because he wasn't able to get any of the shiny side facing the batsman when the shiny side was on the left. 3. Morne Morkel got lesser reverse into the right hander than Steyn because he bowled with a seam pointing down the wicket. However he got more than the Australian bowlers because he bowled at nearly 150kph.

    To be contd.

  • on February 25, 2014, 8:44 GMT

    South Africa had a reverse swing plan the whole time. By day 4, the pitch was dusty and they let Warner and Rogers smash JP around for 150 runs and took the scuffed ball and killed them. Wiping the ball with a wicket keeping glove is a joke. Outplayed and out thought.

  • azzaman333 on February 25, 2014, 8:42 GMT

    Warner definitely won't be getting any job offers as a diplomat once his cricket career is over.

  • stormy16 on February 25, 2014, 8:40 GMT

    What is going on here? Aus have never been good at batting against or finding reverse swing. I think its just a skill issue and I dont think its fair to raise such an issue now. What is Warner actually saying? Is he seriously suggesting there was something wrong done? That's what the umpires and match referee are there for. Honestly this guy makes some unwanted statements and like KP (yes the ex England player) its best these guys are never given press time as they are more than likely to make a wild statement.

    It should also be noted that humidity is a significant factor with swing and change in humidity can change swing conditions. This is why what looks like good batting conditions suddenly change, its the change in humidity. Could be an interesting thing for the comentators to check and report.

  • ssshNevo on February 25, 2014, 8:36 GMT

    Typical Warner and CA for that matter.

  • Big_Joe on February 25, 2014, 8:34 GMT

    I cannot believe it! One test defeat and you start looking for a way out. Warner, just when I started appreciating your talent and guts, you come out with a lame, spineless excuse like that. Maybe now that you co-run the ICC, Aus should play all their matches at home in Brisbane. It is the only place where you always have it your way!

  • on February 25, 2014, 8:31 GMT

    @ShutTheGate

    To get the ball reversing, certain conditions have to be met. One side of the ball must be rough and the other smooth. Now Reverse swing is possible if there is a way to get one side of the ball extremely rough, hence why an abrasive pitch is required. Without an abrasive pitch the ball does not get rough enough to get the ball to reverse. Shining the other side of the ball is also crucial. So sides usually have a designated shiner who shines the ball vigorously.

    So if the pitch is not abrasive, reverse swing is unlikely or minimal. Also pace is required to get the ball reversing.

    its all to do with the weight of the ball and the physics of flight.

  • gmsjgmsj on February 25, 2014, 8:31 GMT

    @ShutTheGate: its a question of local atmospherics, the ground condition, the particular batch of balls and most importantly the skill and pace of the bowler. Therefore even if you have a humid climate, hard outfleld to scuff up the ball, good batch of ball and a skillful bowler, the ball may still not reverse becuase it was delivered 10kph faster! Another example: climate, bowler, outfield, pace, seam position - all boxes ticked. But you got a 40 over old ball thats lost its hardness even if its scuffed up. So, no reverse.

    So you need all the combos tuned perfectly to deliver the killer reverse swing. Else contact the two W's ;)

  • cricket_redemption on February 25, 2014, 8:29 GMT

    Detective warner! Bravo!Bravo!Bravo!

  • Andre117 on February 25, 2014, 8:27 GMT

    @ShutTheGate Reverse swing is only possible some of the time because teams use illegal measures to scuff up the ball only some of the time. David Warner says so therefore it must be true.

  • amitgarg78 on February 25, 2014, 8:26 GMT

    I can understand it's tough being on the losing side after the high of winning 6 games in a row - something that none in the current squad (except clarke) may have seen - but to talk about ball handling is surely doing the other team a disservice. South Africa are extremely competitive and this is just going to rile them up even more.

  • smudgeon on February 25, 2014, 8:26 GMT

    Can someone please explain why CA keep letting David Warner in front of a microphone? Every time he speaks...oy.

  • BradmanBestEver on February 25, 2014, 8:25 GMT

    ShutTheGate: you make a very good point

  • KunzMan on February 25, 2014, 8:24 GMT

    Agree with @Ridaa Gamieldien: Share the same thought. Most of the Aussies are bad losers. Unless proven guilty, such atrocious claims by taking names of players like ABD spoils the camaraderie if any.

  • Chris_Howard on February 25, 2014, 8:19 GMT

    The walking headline is at it again.

  • gmsjgmsj on February 25, 2014, 8:19 GMT

    Dear Warner, why dont you try playing with a tennis ball? Instead of whingeing.. Get the guts out man. Tell youse mates on how to bat.. bat with bat in hand not rot in youse mouth!

  • BradmanBestEver on February 25, 2014, 8:18 GMT

    Well said Warner. It is important to highlight possible poor sportsmanship and have it investigated thoroughly.

    If there is no case to answer then we all move on, but players and officials should feel free to be able to air such concerns for the long term survival of our game.

  • MrGarreth on February 25, 2014, 8:15 GMT

    Such a confusing statement. He says SA did it better and more obvious while at the same time saying that they need to notify the umpires when SA are doing it. So is he saying that it's fine to do it if you do it discreetly?? I would hate to hear Warner's opinion on extramarital affairs. Either way though I don't think SA did anything wrong. I think Warner is just a bit grumpy that SA were smarter with their handling of the ball which Clarke was gracious enough to admit. Unfortunately it seems like no one is any good outside of Australia according to Warner.

  • on February 25, 2014, 8:11 GMT

    The Proteas will take heart from the fact that the Aussies have now started whinging and looking at external factors shows that their self belief has taken a bit of a hit

  • ShutTheGate on February 25, 2014, 8:07 GMT

    Can someone please explain why reverse swing is possible only some of the time?

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  • ShutTheGate on February 25, 2014, 8:07 GMT

    Can someone please explain why reverse swing is possible only some of the time?

  • on February 25, 2014, 8:11 GMT

    The Proteas will take heart from the fact that the Aussies have now started whinging and looking at external factors shows that their self belief has taken a bit of a hit

  • MrGarreth on February 25, 2014, 8:15 GMT

    Such a confusing statement. He says SA did it better and more obvious while at the same time saying that they need to notify the umpires when SA are doing it. So is he saying that it's fine to do it if you do it discreetly?? I would hate to hear Warner's opinion on extramarital affairs. Either way though I don't think SA did anything wrong. I think Warner is just a bit grumpy that SA were smarter with their handling of the ball which Clarke was gracious enough to admit. Unfortunately it seems like no one is any good outside of Australia according to Warner.

  • BradmanBestEver on February 25, 2014, 8:18 GMT

    Well said Warner. It is important to highlight possible poor sportsmanship and have it investigated thoroughly.

    If there is no case to answer then we all move on, but players and officials should feel free to be able to air such concerns for the long term survival of our game.

  • gmsjgmsj on February 25, 2014, 8:19 GMT

    Dear Warner, why dont you try playing with a tennis ball? Instead of whingeing.. Get the guts out man. Tell youse mates on how to bat.. bat with bat in hand not rot in youse mouth!

  • Chris_Howard on February 25, 2014, 8:19 GMT

    The walking headline is at it again.

  • KunzMan on February 25, 2014, 8:24 GMT

    Agree with @Ridaa Gamieldien: Share the same thought. Most of the Aussies are bad losers. Unless proven guilty, such atrocious claims by taking names of players like ABD spoils the camaraderie if any.

  • BradmanBestEver on February 25, 2014, 8:25 GMT

    ShutTheGate: you make a very good point

  • smudgeon on February 25, 2014, 8:26 GMT

    Can someone please explain why CA keep letting David Warner in front of a microphone? Every time he speaks...oy.

  • amitgarg78 on February 25, 2014, 8:26 GMT

    I can understand it's tough being on the losing side after the high of winning 6 games in a row - something that none in the current squad (except clarke) may have seen - but to talk about ball handling is surely doing the other team a disservice. South Africa are extremely competitive and this is just going to rile them up even more.