Sri Lanka v India, 5th ODI, Pallekele August 4, 2012

Tiwary stakes his claim

Manoj Tiwary has had to wait for his chances. But with contributions in two consecutive games, has he done enough to deserve an extended run?
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Manoj Tiwary and Rohit Sharma seem to demand a joint narrative. Rohit was at the crease when Tiwary walked in to bat on India debut in February 2008. Rohit broke his finger last year in England and Tiwary was flown in as replacement. The Rohit v Tiwary debate has played on and on this series in the media. At almost every press conference, the team management has made it clear who it prefers. Gautam Gambhir has raved about Rohit's talent and has said that Tiwary should be prepared to grab any opportunity that comes his way. Tiwary did just that today with a busy fifty in only his seventh game in 14 months since his comeback in the West Indies. And yes, on his way to the middle, he passed Rohit, who was on his way back after a miserable run of 5, 0, 0, 4 and 4 in the series.

Just put yourself in Tiwary's shoes for a moment. After making 104* against West Indies in December 2011, he was on the bench for 14 consecutive games in three different countries. In that period, Rohit averaged 14.54 in 11 innings. Gambhir said that getting dropped would dent Rohit's confidence. Nobody talked about Tiwary's confidence. It was almost as if he didn't exist.

Tiwary-on-the-bench jokes had become common on Twitter. The man himself gave nothing away. He would carry his kitbag to the ground and dutifully go through practice with a blank expression. Probably the most emotion he showed was when he grinned after effortlessly dribbling the ball past his young peers such as Rohit and Virat Kohli during a game of football.

As far as attractiveness of play, or what is known as "looking good", goes, Tiwary pales before Rohit. Rohit makes even getting beaten look beautiful. Even when he edges a fast bowler in nets, you end up looking at the graceful arc of the bat his attempted drive makes. Tiwary does not have such luxury. Even when he is in control in the middle, he can look tentative.

His instinct initially appears to be to go leg side. He walks across to nudge to square leg, he plays that flick extravagantly in the air from outside off through square leg, he chips over midwicket, he paddles fine from the stumps. That last stroke led to his dismissal in the fourth game. He appears to take too many risks too soon, but he is a busy kind of batsman.

In the end, Tiwary made more runs on the off side today than on the leg. He stepped out to loft the offspinner Sachithra Senanayake over mid-off for a couple of fours. He drove the legspinner Jeevan Mendis between sweeper cover and long-off. His best stroke was when he charged out to thump the fast bowler Nuwan Pradeep - who had troubled him before with pace and bounce - between extra cover and mid-off. There were two close caught-behind appeals against him but he was on 46 by then, and had already proved his point.

Duncan Fletcher, the India coach, said Tiwary had produced the results under pressure. "His temperament has shown that he is up for the big occasion," Fletcher said. "He's basically made people stand up and look at him. He is a serious contender for a regular place in the one-day side."

In both games he got this series, Tiwary didn't let the innings get bogged down despite coming in at 60 for 3 and 87 for 3. Despite knowing that one failure could mean another prolonged spell on the bench. Despite knowing that his seems to be a thankless task; that even success could mean another prolonged spell on the bench. India's next ODI series is against Pakistan in December. That is too far away. Don't bet on Tiwary getting consecutive ODIs after this half-century. After all, he had to wait 14 games on the bench after a century.

Abhishek Purohit is an editorial assistant at ESPNcricinfo

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  • on August 7, 2012, 8:49 GMT

    No one disagrees with the fact that Rohit has a certain class which the likes of Inzamam, Ganguly, Laxman has, and makes batting look attractive but class alone doesn't merits you a place in the XI. 85 matches is a good enough outing for anyone. Kambli might be more talented than Dravid but it's the latter who proved to the world. I feel Tiwary is the same.. there is hardly any difference between them when you compare their first class records. both average a close to 60.. But Tiwary has won matches single handed for Bengal and also has led whereas Rohit has the privileges of Rahane, Nayar, Jaffer and others.. For me it's Tiwary, way ahead of Rohit

  • ProdigyA on August 6, 2012, 20:57 GMT

    @battingaboveyouraverage - There is no denying the laurels MS has bought to the country but that does mean we have Sunny G or Kapil D in our team and keep worshiping them. He is a great ODI and T20 player but for Test forget about captaincy he does not even deserve a spot in the team. The point is about his stubbornness to change. There is methodolgy to his thinking, when it works its fine but if it does not you have to adapt to change, that is where MS falls short. Primary reason IMO for the 8-0 drubbing was this narrow mindset.

  • on August 6, 2012, 17:25 GMT

    @ battingaboveyouraverage , you talk as if Dhoni is responsible for all the successes and failures that Indian team is through over the last 5 years. A captain is as good as his team and its very evident that he has favorites, there is no denying that. There is nothing wrong in persisting with a player for a longer time if he is playing reasonably well, but giving too many chances even when the person is failing is unacceptable.

  • battingaboveyouraverage on August 6, 2012, 15:05 GMT

    @ProdigyA - Get of the Dhoni bashing band wagon. Bet you were cheering him when he guided India to WC. Guided India to No1 test status for 2 odd years, First ever T20 WC champions and the best Wicket keeper captain.

    you can't call him biased as he always tries to give the younger members of the team a chance.

    Gautam, I love the guy, but worrying whether you affect a young players confidence if dropping him. is Rohit to be wrapped in cotton wool. is he mentally not stung enough at the top level? over the last year results seem to say he is!

    After this series you won't have to worry about that because if we see Rohit in the India team before Tiwary, someones definiltley wrong. I don't think the guy, let alone anyone else, deserves that many chances.

    Tiwary needs a good crack at being an international for India. he has to be picked for the upcoming England tour and Pakistan series.

  • tanstell87 on August 6, 2012, 14:37 GMT

    it is clear Dhoni has favourites...Raina-Jadeja-Rohit top the list....had Gambhir been the skipper most certainly Rohit & Raina would not have featured in starting 11...they would not have got places in 16 too...the performances of Manoj Tiwary & Irfan Pathan would be eye opener for Dhoni who doesnt like to change 11 irrespective of outcome of match.

  • tanstell87 on August 6, 2012, 14:30 GMT

    @ Arnab Banerjee - Ganguly was a superb leader,he changed Indian cricket for good... but i disagree with you...even in Ganguly's reign regionalism existed...the likes of Deep Das Gupta & SS Das were regular fixtures in Indian team.

  • tanstell87 on August 6, 2012, 14:28 GMT

    i agree with Harsh Joshi...Madras players like Vijay,Dinesh Karthick were given many chances but they failed to capitalise & atlast they were shown the door...Srikkanth even tried average players like Mukund & Badrinath in the Indian team but they failed too...!

  • ProdigyA on August 6, 2012, 13:34 GMT

    This is where i hate Dhoni. His narrow thinking and adamantness has cost India many times. He thinks in certain ways and is very very reluctant to think outside of it. Best example is Irfan and now Manoj. Poor chap is better bat, bowl and field than Rohit but still keeps persisting with the same mistakes again n again. There are other teams who would kill to have guyz like Manoj, Pujara, Rahane in their team and here we are just wasting them.

  • on August 6, 2012, 13:00 GMT

    @Pady Srini.........Madras players too got enough chances under Srikanth and Co....m mumbaikar and believe Rohit should be dropped asap

  • sachin_vvsfan on August 6, 2012, 12:39 GMT

    Sorry No tiwary No rohit both are IPL products noting more. Tiwary made some runs so did rohit in previous tours against ZIM/WI at home

  • on August 7, 2012, 8:49 GMT

    No one disagrees with the fact that Rohit has a certain class which the likes of Inzamam, Ganguly, Laxman has, and makes batting look attractive but class alone doesn't merits you a place in the XI. 85 matches is a good enough outing for anyone. Kambli might be more talented than Dravid but it's the latter who proved to the world. I feel Tiwary is the same.. there is hardly any difference between them when you compare their first class records. both average a close to 60.. But Tiwary has won matches single handed for Bengal and also has led whereas Rohit has the privileges of Rahane, Nayar, Jaffer and others.. For me it's Tiwary, way ahead of Rohit

  • ProdigyA on August 6, 2012, 20:57 GMT

    @battingaboveyouraverage - There is no denying the laurels MS has bought to the country but that does mean we have Sunny G or Kapil D in our team and keep worshiping them. He is a great ODI and T20 player but for Test forget about captaincy he does not even deserve a spot in the team. The point is about his stubbornness to change. There is methodolgy to his thinking, when it works its fine but if it does not you have to adapt to change, that is where MS falls short. Primary reason IMO for the 8-0 drubbing was this narrow mindset.

  • on August 6, 2012, 17:25 GMT

    @ battingaboveyouraverage , you talk as if Dhoni is responsible for all the successes and failures that Indian team is through over the last 5 years. A captain is as good as his team and its very evident that he has favorites, there is no denying that. There is nothing wrong in persisting with a player for a longer time if he is playing reasonably well, but giving too many chances even when the person is failing is unacceptable.

  • battingaboveyouraverage on August 6, 2012, 15:05 GMT

    @ProdigyA - Get of the Dhoni bashing band wagon. Bet you were cheering him when he guided India to WC. Guided India to No1 test status for 2 odd years, First ever T20 WC champions and the best Wicket keeper captain.

    you can't call him biased as he always tries to give the younger members of the team a chance.

    Gautam, I love the guy, but worrying whether you affect a young players confidence if dropping him. is Rohit to be wrapped in cotton wool. is he mentally not stung enough at the top level? over the last year results seem to say he is!

    After this series you won't have to worry about that because if we see Rohit in the India team before Tiwary, someones definiltley wrong. I don't think the guy, let alone anyone else, deserves that many chances.

    Tiwary needs a good crack at being an international for India. he has to be picked for the upcoming England tour and Pakistan series.

  • tanstell87 on August 6, 2012, 14:37 GMT

    it is clear Dhoni has favourites...Raina-Jadeja-Rohit top the list....had Gambhir been the skipper most certainly Rohit & Raina would not have featured in starting 11...they would not have got places in 16 too...the performances of Manoj Tiwary & Irfan Pathan would be eye opener for Dhoni who doesnt like to change 11 irrespective of outcome of match.

  • tanstell87 on August 6, 2012, 14:30 GMT

    @ Arnab Banerjee - Ganguly was a superb leader,he changed Indian cricket for good... but i disagree with you...even in Ganguly's reign regionalism existed...the likes of Deep Das Gupta & SS Das were regular fixtures in Indian team.

  • tanstell87 on August 6, 2012, 14:28 GMT

    i agree with Harsh Joshi...Madras players like Vijay,Dinesh Karthick were given many chances but they failed to capitalise & atlast they were shown the door...Srikkanth even tried average players like Mukund & Badrinath in the Indian team but they failed too...!

  • ProdigyA on August 6, 2012, 13:34 GMT

    This is where i hate Dhoni. His narrow thinking and adamantness has cost India many times. He thinks in certain ways and is very very reluctant to think outside of it. Best example is Irfan and now Manoj. Poor chap is better bat, bowl and field than Rohit but still keeps persisting with the same mistakes again n again. There are other teams who would kill to have guyz like Manoj, Pujara, Rahane in their team and here we are just wasting them.

  • on August 6, 2012, 13:00 GMT

    @Pady Srini.........Madras players too got enough chances under Srikanth and Co....m mumbaikar and believe Rohit should be dropped asap

  • sachin_vvsfan on August 6, 2012, 12:39 GMT

    Sorry No tiwary No rohit both are IPL products noting more. Tiwary made some runs so did rohit in previous tours against ZIM/WI at home

  • hardlysunny on August 6, 2012, 12:23 GMT

    Only reason Rohit is persisted is to make Sachin look good. So whenever Sachin decides to come back, selectors can say 'Hey look Sachin is way better than all the young blood we have tested so far'. If we drop Rohit and provide opportunities to folks like Tiwary, it would be tough for the senior players like Sachin/ Shewag to retain their place in the team

  • Naresh28 on August 6, 2012, 10:47 GMT

    Rohit should be doing rounds with INDIA A. He definetly has the talent. He has time on side. India need Pujara as part of the test team. Maybe Chand could prove his credentials in the coming U19 world cup and be next in line. We speak of batsman only all the time but I hope we could unearth bowling talent as well. So far nothing on the HORIZON.

  • anver777 on August 6, 2012, 9:35 GMT

    Tiwary/Rohit is playing bc Yuvi is not there at the moment..... There will be a twist in the story, when Yuvi arrives full time, then only the real battle will begin !!!!!!

  • on August 6, 2012, 9:11 GMT

    I don't care if the board or captain want to play Rohit or not, but Tiwary should become a permanent member of the team as he can bat and bowl. If Dhoni wants to give an extended run, he can give up his place for Rohit. But Tiwary has proved that he is better than Jadeja and Rohit.

  • Haleos on August 6, 2012, 8:47 GMT

    Getting dropped should make Rohit work hard. By continuing with him for so many games they have made him lazy. He needs to get back to domestic cricket and work hard and come back. Talent does not count if it is not backed by performance. Tiwary deserves a longer run. I do not understand Indian teams attitude. Players come out and defend ridiculous tactics.

  • Fast_Track_Bully on August 6, 2012, 8:34 GMT

    Guys, the Rohit/Tiwary argument is useless as Yuvaraj will be back to his original place in the team and no more vacant spaces will be available.

  • on August 6, 2012, 7:50 GMT

    Once again, the favoritism that had plagued Indian cricket for so long until Ganguly came in and spanked it out of the system is back. Despite leaving behind the years of Azharuddin and Wadekar/Dungarpur behind, Indian cricket is swiftly falling back to that same mode. Persistence for Rohit(and I sincerely want him to realize his potential. He looks better than even Inzamam) and neglect for s gritty cricketer like Tiwari is only ensuring that India will go to Australia 2015 with an undercooked team. Virat is bound to hit a lean spell sooner than later. Who will carry a walking wicket like Rohit then around in this line up!

  • moBlue on August 6, 2012, 7:04 GMT

    this obsession with rohit sharma's supposed talent ticks me off!!! [remember graeme hick, anyone?] in AUS, there was no shortage of IND fans who wanted rohit to replace VVS in tests! in AUS and against AUS, mind you! i mean, did these folks know about VVS's record in AUS, i kept asking myself in dismay! not to mention the fact that rohit has never ever seemed a test batsman to me! he simply lacks the temperament for test cricket. now he has been given umpteen chances in ODIs at tiwary's expense. i can think of so many cricketers - with prodigal talent and even some achievements to prove it [remember wasim jaffer in tests? dinesh karthik who scored a 100 in SA as a test opener, and is hard-hitting and can score as quickly as the best of them in ODIs, perhaps? i am sure there are others! - who never got half the chances that this cat and robin uthappa, another "talented" dude who has never stood up for IND when it mattered, have been given! enough!

  • Masud_BITK on August 6, 2012, 7:01 GMT

    It is indeed sad. Every biggies are supporting Rohit, who failed and fails. Poor Manoj is like Kadombini (character of Rabi Thakoor) who proved after her death that she was not dead. if I agree with Gautam, it is better to put Rohit in Net at all times and Manoj in the game. It is simply because Rohit is good at Net and Manoj good at game.

  • on August 6, 2012, 6:51 GMT

    cmon guys. Rohit needs to be given atleast another 17 matches...Bombay players get 50 times more chances than other players...that is the rule of thumb...Shastri/vengsarkar...we cant be breaking that rule. We will wait till Tiwary becomes above 30. Then we will drop him ( from the bench ) saying he is too old now. By that time, we will have a current 2 year old in Mumbai turn 16 who will score a century in mumbai galli cricket and he will be ready to play 100 international games...will redo the whole cycle again. Completely democratic...Two big thumbs up...

  • vaidyar on August 6, 2012, 6:31 GMT

    Makes batting look beautiful did you say? Let's drop Gambhir then and include VVS. We'll have one awesome batting line up full of artists who'll make even getting out look elegant. Runs, you ask? But winning matches is all about looking good even when getting beaten, no?

  • HAVANA on August 6, 2012, 6:21 GMT

    well done Tiwary, you played a great role. but, you know who will be back after Wimbledon and the Olympics to take your place. Sri Lanka would have been too much for him. at his age, he needs to play against NZ and Bangladesh on the subcontinent to score cheap runs to boost his record. who knows, the BCCI may even drop Kohli or Raina for him.

  • wolf777 on August 5, 2012, 19:40 GMT

    @ chapathishot May be Manoj Tiwari won't last long as you are suggesting after seeing his dismissal. However, after seeing countless dismissals of Nohit Sharma at very low score, one wonders how in the world he lasted this long…May is that because he get out so gracefully (lol) or is that he always walks back unhappy as if it is the Umpire's fault that he got out at a low score…just wondering…how did last this long…

  • on August 5, 2012, 19:25 GMT

    I really cant understand one thing..how can all of you be so sure about Rohit doing well in Aus-Nz World Cup Edition..when he cant bat in sub-continent pitches and that also without any pressure....i dont see any chance of him performing well under down with pressure...It will be better if BCCI stop considering him unless until he proves his point though some real batting....

  • tashan329 on August 5, 2012, 18:40 GMT

    Those who are complaining about Manoj Tiwary's batting style shoul know that one of the best ODI batsman in the world Dhoni looks even more uglier than Tiwary. So, its not the talent but the ATTITUDE matters. And currently Tiwary's attitude looks way better than Rohit.

  • cheguramana on August 5, 2012, 18:38 GMT

    I think Indian cricket suffers too much from hype about "talent". Real talent of a sportsman is to deliver under pressure. Character is more important. Rohit Sharma has been given enuf chances. Make Tiwary's place permanent. Rohit is still a young man, if he is really good, he can prove himself and make it back to the team.

  • Aryian007 on August 5, 2012, 18:26 GMT

    Guys, what would you take .....glamorous cricketer, lets say Shastri-alike, who cant perform, and will have ZERO temperament to win matches......or not appeasing to the eyes, but an effective all rounder that will surely strengthened the Indian middle order - Your choice!

  • on August 5, 2012, 18:21 GMT

    this is very painfull for all real cricket lovers.some one getting more and more chances,others nothing.this is not good to indian cricket.not only a thivary,so many other players.Robin uthappa,Dinesh karthic,parthiv pattel,jadeja,Balaji...and somany.Every one says, Rohit sarma immensili talented.but it not work in ground.no one in indian cricket,got chances like him.he spoiles every chance.some one protect him.this is not faire.In the case of robin uthappa,he didnot get more chances like rohit.but he prove his ability.most of his good performances coming from good bowling pitches.but no one care it.this sieries vs SL,i hope,make changes in thees cases.

  • on August 5, 2012, 17:16 GMT

    How many players have gotten chance like Rohit & Raveendra Jadeja. I think Rohit has played 85 games when Tiwari just got 11. Does this give justice to other players who were on bench. Even Vinod Kambli had more talents than all others playing for India X1 but at the end hard work and performing at international level is what matters. Many said Dhoni had no talents but still he sustained, has average ore than 50. Dravid was never considered an ODI batsmen but he too ended up been a fine batsman in odi with 10,000 more runs. How many chances will Tiwari & Rahane get before been getting dropped?

  • chapathishot on August 5, 2012, 15:11 GMT

    Seeing his dismissal yesterday there is every chance that Tiwary dont last long time .Those who question Rohit should watch his innings in Barbodos againt the Aussie quicks when every one else was hoping and getting hit.He is the future of Indian cricket along with Kohli and may be pujara .I feel that India should include Rehane as opener in Tests ask Kholi/Shewag to bat at No3

  • siddhant328 on August 5, 2012, 15:02 GMT

    ...Have read so much comments this week on any such article that involves the currently most discussed topic of Indian cricket... Tiwary vs Rohit. Some are backing Tiwary, some are backing Rohit. But everybody is talking about Rohit making batting look so beautiful and Tiwary is not good at all. I may not be knowing the complex technicalities of Batting Art but Tiwary don't look that much ugly as it is talked about. I don't remember anybody playing that chip shot over wide long off OR between wide long off and sweeper cover as beautiful as him...the shot that fetched him most boundaries yesterday... the shot that went for a sensational six on the bowling of Sunil Narine in his maiden century last December.

  • MunafAhmed811 on August 5, 2012, 15:01 GMT

    I am a bigger fan of rohit than tiwary. But looking at results one accept that as of today tiwary seems better bet in team even if he looks not so great in style. He has delivered under pressureRhot on other hand has no pressure and full support of BCCI but is still failing. He is like Umar akmal of India

  • Dibyo_Basu on August 5, 2012, 14:58 GMT

    It's simple. Rohit belongs to the most powerful franchise in the IPL. The more he plays international games, the more his value goes up in the market. Hence he shall play and Tiwary shall warm the bench. In fact it will get more interesting if Yuvi makes a fukl comeback. We all know what Sahara means to the BCCI.

  • tmp789 on August 5, 2012, 14:37 GMT

    Rohit has been given so many chances and failed completely. On a rank of ten he has got a big zero. So first course of action: (i) Any player replacing him should be given similar chance (ii) In order for Rohit to be taken back in the team, IPL should not be considered. He should tour with A team and CONSISTENTLY score runs. No flash in a pan type of innings. Look at Irfan Pathan, they sidelined him for years eventhough he did not perform as bad as Rohit.

  • AvidCricFan on August 5, 2012, 13:46 GMT

    One sad aspect of IPL is lack of motivation for cricketers to play in English county cricket where they get chance to hone their skills to play in pace friendly conditions. Most of the players in the team will struggle playing in England, SA and Australia. We have seen the results in the last summer. The next WC is not in the subcontinent. BCCI needs player rotation policy to send players to play in domestic tournaments of these country. BTW, the poor test performance by the Indian team will continue when playing in these countries as no remedial actions have been taken after the last year's debacle. IPL made every one forget. BCCI has no vision for the Indian cricket. They only look for money.

  • Porky_PigTheToon on August 5, 2012, 13:21 GMT

    I know many fans here want Rohit Sharma out of team and I somewhat agree with them. But mark my words he will be our most dependable middle order batsman in WC that has to be played in Aus and NZ in 2015.

  • on August 5, 2012, 13:12 GMT

    Rohit has to slug it out in "A" teams and be the most consistent batsman there. Then only he should be allowed to come in, he seems to have lost his intent to stay and slug it out. He should be dropped, like Yusuf and Ravindra Jadeja. While on this, why was Cheteswar Pujara put as captain of India A team and not even considered here? Also, we have to give Rahane some time also. It has to be a long haul back for Rohit

  • Baundele on August 5, 2012, 12:45 GMT

    Rohit has abundance of talent, he is superb against the indian net bowlers; but he can not score against other international bowlers. On the other hand Tiwary has no talent (and people can play in the Indian team without talent!), he gets out every ball in the net; but he scores centuries - both full and half - against international bowlers. No wonder that selectors prefer Rohit over Tiwary.

  • on August 5, 2012, 12:25 GMT

    There were two glaring ironies in yesterday match in particular. Irfan Pathan starred although over the past year most people argued and pleaded his case for a place on the Indian team, while management defiantly ignored it all; now there is such a chorus of calls for Rohit Sharma to be benched for his spectacular failure and management is against defiant in ignoring the wisdom of public opinion. It has been said that he who holds the candle often sees the game better that those who hold the cards.

  • on August 5, 2012, 11:59 GMT

    Manoj Tiwary definitely deserves a place in the ODI team after his performance in this series. He should definitely replace Rohit Sharma.

  • CricEshwar on August 5, 2012, 11:43 GMT

    Tiwary suddenly started looking a million bucks in the light of Rohit's miserable run. Sure Rohit is to be dropped atleast for now, but Tiwary is not the permanent answer to that spot, though I have sympathy towards him for what he has accomplished with his limited potential and opportunities.

  • sameer111111 on August 5, 2012, 10:26 GMT

    Tiwari is a gutsy cricketer, not very graceful to look at but good under pressure, a bit like Gambhir. On the other hand people who insists on giving Rohit chance after chance are actually doing him a disservice. No doubt about his talent, but on his current form he is better off with a break, rectify his mistakes and gain some confidence in domestic cricket.

  • prakash_mishra on August 5, 2012, 9:46 GMT

    @ Laxmanrules- and why would u do that man??? You too suffer from the same mentality as Indian selectors and Team Management do. Rohit might have talent and might be better on technique than tiwary, but with scores like that it seems he has serious flaw in his batting whereas Tiwary is performing. i am not a fan of Tiwary, But then one should get a chance to play on the basis of his performances than style. Rohit hasn't grabbed what came his way. look at kohli, he might not have all the shots in the textbook,but how well he has used his strength and been one of the most exciting newcomer in the world cricket. One of my friend was recently criticizing Amla's style of batting.Its true that they are not the most classy batsman world has ever seen, but what matters is your perfomance. Your scores. The speak for you. Rohit's score sadly says a very pathetic story. I doubt if he will ever be able to make a comeback after such a miserable run of things. sad it happened to Indian cricket..

  • on August 5, 2012, 8:29 GMT

    Rohit competed with Raina for a place in the team! Rohit competed with Kohli for a place in the team! Rohit is completing with Tiwary for a place in the team! Let him compete with Rahane also and then think about his career!!! And then remain as the Best Player of the IPL.

  • ddnssr on August 5, 2012, 6:53 GMT

    @ laxmanrules, if that's so then u should download some of Rohit Sharma's "Beautiful Batting" videos and keep watching it. As far as cricket is concerned i agree with Kausik Basak, Keeping Rohit in team is like playing with 10 players on the other hand Manoj Tiwary can match Rohit in fielding and bowling so i don't see a reason why the latter can't be dropped from the team.

  • on August 5, 2012, 6:35 GMT

    ROHIT'S AVERAGE OF 2.60 IS THE WORST EVER IN A 5 MATCH BILATERAL SERIES INVOLVING 2 TEAMS FOR PLAYERS BATTING IN THE TOP 6.HERE IS THE LINK: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_positionmax1=6;batting_positionval1=batting_position;class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=batting_average;orderbyad=reverse;qualmax1=5;qualmin1=5;qualval1=matches;template=results;tournament_type=2;type=batting;view=series

  • Johnny_129 on August 5, 2012, 6:23 GMT

    Gambhir said that Rohit looked better than all the other batsmen when in the nets....so perhaps Rohit should bat in the nets and let Tiwary bat in the matches for, at least, the near future!? However, the argument in favour of Rohit is that VVS had a torrid run at the start of his career but the selectors persisted with him and we all know the result. I'm not sure but I think VVS did get dropped for a while or even several times....not sure? I don't buy into this argument of dropping a player will dent their confidence - that is rubbish. National duties should not be taken for granted - perform or sit out should be the message. In fact, dropping of players would build character and encourage humility. Instead, the Indian team (or Indian society as a whole) believes in massaging ego!!!

  • All4India on August 5, 2012, 6:13 GMT

    I would like to see Ambatti Rayudu coming into the fray. See the competition Rayudu, Rohit, Tiwari, Raina, Yuvi for 2 spots. Also there is nothing to suggest that Pujara shouldnt be given a run in ODI. Add Pujara and Kohli to the three spots...Wow what a prospect...Also Uthappa, Ajinkya, Mandeep Singh apart from Sehwag and Ghambi for the first 3 - you have an excellent team with a good prospect. Kohli and Pathan should get a very long run.

  • on August 5, 2012, 6:03 GMT

    @Laxmanrules: And its for stupid people like you that a failure like Nohit gets dragged on in the name of potential (which he might show 30 yrs down the line as a commentator) cricket is not abt looking good, there's something called beauty paegants for that..It's about scoring runs and Tiwary does that way better than Nohit

  • on August 5, 2012, 5:10 GMT

    How soon time changes!!! rohit started with competing for a place with Raina then Kohli now Tiwary... next will be rahane.. while raina has established himself and even captained india and kohli is the vice-captain tiwary will also hold on to his place sonn and rahane in the next year and so and sharma will always remain on the fringes... if he wants to become a regular in the indian team he should sacrifise the ipl and t20 cricket as a whole...

  • on August 5, 2012, 4:29 GMT

    I Guess Rohit Sharma Has Put Indian Team Management Into A Serious Dilemma After His Brilliant Knock Of 5 Yestersay..Orelse, It Should Have Been "THE END" For Rohit Sharma's Career

  • on August 5, 2012, 4:13 GMT

    MT may not be the most graceful...he doesn't convince me too...but with definitely better performances as compared to his peers...with the solid record in domestic competition...it will be really unjust to make him sit out any more. Picking Rohit after this will only demean Indian cricket. Does one only need to look good and have the captain's confidence to get in. Let him improve in whatever he lacks...I am sure he will, and let him come back stronger. He should be dropped, and it should hurt...all for better.

  • siddhant328 on August 5, 2012, 3:59 GMT

    @laxmanrules : You are unbelievable!!! How 'Rohit getting out in 5 balls' can be better than 'Tiwary's 100'? It's definitely not in team's interest.

  • on August 5, 2012, 3:55 GMT

    If talent & perfection matters, then I would like to recall Kirmani comments on Dhoni, still Kirmani is not convinced with Dhoni's wicket keeping style. But his aggressive hitting style overtook chance form Dinesh Karthik in earlier days who known more perfect and talent wicket keeper than Dhoni.. (It was initial days, don't compare current Dhoni with current poor Karthik)

    But when it comes to Rohit & Tiwari.. Technical talent sounds more than result.

  • DEV_ME on August 5, 2012, 3:42 GMT

    Since When did 'looks' matter in batting ? No doubt - a good clean batsman is always a plaeasure for the eyes - and we have had our share in form of Gavaskar, Dravid, Tendulkar. But - if that is the only criteria, then Chadrapaul could not have played cricket at all ! Rohit looks good even when he nicks the ball (?!?!?!?!) Outrageous ! Rohit looks absoulutely lead footen, slow, sluggish, with no body position, no footwork. Rohits undoing is his inability to not to learn. In yesterdays match (again) - he got trying to turn the ball square of the wicket. Cant you play straight ? Even a senior partner like Gambhir, who favours playing square, is playing straight in that condition, so Rohit - cant you watch and learn ??? This series Rohit has declared his weakness to all - "I need to play sqaure with no footwork" - He is a sitting duck for any bowler with a hint of seam movement. Tiwary knows his shortcomings and makes things count. Give him 83 ODI's at a strecth and then talk .....

  • ksivapr on August 5, 2012, 2:47 GMT

    I supported tiwary .... before 4th match itself.. so many people commented like...why tiwary came in to picture...while discussing about rohit. I am not fan of rohit/tiwary but if you see the play rohit more fits to test matches. he got good talent. But tiwary i was concentrating on him from IPL he is very confident player....there are times in IPL when international players are can't handle the bowlers and the one and only tiwary was more comfortable and confident.

    If tiwary continues his journey like this.... i bet inidis has out of biggest drawback having all rounders at middle order....this is very good sign. That too he is leg spinner....which is one more advantage.

    Lets hope tiwary to shine. yuvi, raina, tiwary, dhoni.... strong middle order. rahane also had good chances in future as opener....he is also very good fielder and talented. Hope he shines.

  • Cluedin on August 5, 2012, 2:22 GMT

    It would be good if Rohit puts his hand up and asks for time out from cricket at this level. Maybe it would help him to go back to either county cricket or work with retired seniors like Rahul Dravid to get back both his temprament and confidence. It would also help in ironing out that faults that have crept into his technique, especially against the moving ball. Working with Dravid may also improve his work ethic.

  • on August 5, 2012, 1:54 GMT

    Tiwary played well but i have to say that he does not appear to be a long term prospect. he looks to be one of the breed of players in the 90's that came in with limited talent, played a supporting role, scored 35-45 runs on virtue of batting up the order at a strike rate of around 70.

    I know he scored fairly in both the chances hes got (and thts admirable considering he was on the bench), but that does not take away the fact that hes clumsy at best. dont get me wrong, i am not saying this because hes not aesthetic (dhoni and steve waugh fall into the same category). he just does not seem like he can come in a pressure situation, improvise, take charge and score runs to see the team through.

  • on August 5, 2012, 1:43 GMT

    @laxmanrules: I would rather watch rohit get out after playing 5 balls than watch tiwary score a hundred. He just looks sooooo baaad.....

    Are you serious mate? If yes, then you have a serious problem of not being enough patriotic for your country's success and rather dwelling upon "enjoying" ONE pathetic guy's failures.

  • laxmanrules on August 4, 2012, 23:13 GMT

    I would rather watch rohit get out after playing 5 balls than watch tiwary score a hundred. He just looks sooooo baaad.....

  • street_smart on August 4, 2012, 22:10 GMT

    I hope that Indian team management should now realize that how much talented you are doesn't matter but what counts is the temperament shown in the pressure situation & when it matters the most. Indian selectors should drop Rohit in the next series so that he can got ke a break & get things sorted out & this will also now allow Indian team management to pursue partiality in the name of so called talent.

  • ThatsJustCricket on August 4, 2012, 22:06 GMT

    what else does this guy need to do to get a sustained run in the team???

  • sarthak.ghosh on August 4, 2012, 21:46 GMT

    It seems Indian team management is trying to manufacture a 'great' out of Rohit Sharma! After repeated poor scores (in Aus & SL) persisting with him might not be the best option, not even for him. He has been basically given the license to fail. Even if the Indian team management thinks that Rohit is a 'great' and for his sake lesser mortals like Manoj Tiwari needs to be sacrificed , they should drop this about to be legend for a few series. May be he needs to understand, once more, that getting a place in the Indian batting lineup is no cakewalk. And Tiwary, dont know what to say about him...well done and wish you best of Luck!

  • AvidCricFan on August 4, 2012, 21:39 GMT

    I hope Dhoni and company wakes up now. Rohit Sharma may have talent but not a very astute cricketing brain that is needed to succeed at the highest level. The talent in net or pile of runs in domestic tournaments mean nothing. He needed to perform to be playing for India and has mostly failed. It was good to see Rahane given chance. He should be persisted in the eleven. Looking at his hunger to succeed, it is a matter of few games for him to click. Tiwari has shown what temperament can do with lesser talent.

  • on August 4, 2012, 21:23 GMT

    This seems to be morally wrong, its really not fair to bench a player, and be this biased towards him, when he has scored more runs then rohit playing only two games. i truthfully think Rohit does have talent, but he seems to be most fitted for twenty20, that's where he plays his natural game, test and odi, are not his temperamental play yet. Next odi series i would defiantly give tiwari another go,along with rohit if they must, and ajinka as well, leaving sehwag out.

  • Cric_Tic on August 4, 2012, 21:16 GMT

    I used to support the so called Talented Rohit.. undrstndble tht everyone goes through bad patch.. but i feel we cant deny Manoj tiwari, who is proving tht he is more valuable to team..! more than Talent ..it is Temperment which is more important. Rohit ..please tk a break and get confidence back through domestic matches..!

  • on August 4, 2012, 20:41 GMT

    Flare and talent are nice-to-have qualities, but, at the end of the day, one needs to deliver! I do not recall any Indian batsman getting as many chances as Rohit have got and managed to blow away ... and poor Tiwari (inspite of looking ugly while batting) keeps on performing with very limited opportunities, as a true team player ...! To me - the decision is clear for Indian team management - give Tiwary an extended run now.... he has done more than enough!

  • on August 4, 2012, 20:29 GMT

    Tiwary the all rounder ... author forgot about his bowling!

  • vpk23 on August 4, 2012, 20:14 GMT

    Tiwary is the sort of person who excells when the chips are down...Always great in his second stint..or rather coming from behind..He alongwith Virat Kohli could become a perfect foil to rut it & strut it out in the long run. Sure he seems to be that kinda fighting player who excells in the 2nd innings of a test matches...

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  • vpk23 on August 4, 2012, 20:14 GMT

    Tiwary is the sort of person who excells when the chips are down...Always great in his second stint..or rather coming from behind..He alongwith Virat Kohli could become a perfect foil to rut it & strut it out in the long run. Sure he seems to be that kinda fighting player who excells in the 2nd innings of a test matches...

  • on August 4, 2012, 20:29 GMT

    Tiwary the all rounder ... author forgot about his bowling!

  • on August 4, 2012, 20:41 GMT

    Flare and talent are nice-to-have qualities, but, at the end of the day, one needs to deliver! I do not recall any Indian batsman getting as many chances as Rohit have got and managed to blow away ... and poor Tiwari (inspite of looking ugly while batting) keeps on performing with very limited opportunities, as a true team player ...! To me - the decision is clear for Indian team management - give Tiwary an extended run now.... he has done more than enough!

  • Cric_Tic on August 4, 2012, 21:16 GMT

    I used to support the so called Talented Rohit.. undrstndble tht everyone goes through bad patch.. but i feel we cant deny Manoj tiwari, who is proving tht he is more valuable to team..! more than Talent ..it is Temperment which is more important. Rohit ..please tk a break and get confidence back through domestic matches..!

  • on August 4, 2012, 21:23 GMT

    This seems to be morally wrong, its really not fair to bench a player, and be this biased towards him, when he has scored more runs then rohit playing only two games. i truthfully think Rohit does have talent, but he seems to be most fitted for twenty20, that's where he plays his natural game, test and odi, are not his temperamental play yet. Next odi series i would defiantly give tiwari another go,along with rohit if they must, and ajinka as well, leaving sehwag out.

  • AvidCricFan on August 4, 2012, 21:39 GMT

    I hope Dhoni and company wakes up now. Rohit Sharma may have talent but not a very astute cricketing brain that is needed to succeed at the highest level. The talent in net or pile of runs in domestic tournaments mean nothing. He needed to perform to be playing for India and has mostly failed. It was good to see Rahane given chance. He should be persisted in the eleven. Looking at his hunger to succeed, it is a matter of few games for him to click. Tiwari has shown what temperament can do with lesser talent.

  • sarthak.ghosh on August 4, 2012, 21:46 GMT

    It seems Indian team management is trying to manufacture a 'great' out of Rohit Sharma! After repeated poor scores (in Aus & SL) persisting with him might not be the best option, not even for him. He has been basically given the license to fail. Even if the Indian team management thinks that Rohit is a 'great' and for his sake lesser mortals like Manoj Tiwari needs to be sacrificed , they should drop this about to be legend for a few series. May be he needs to understand, once more, that getting a place in the Indian batting lineup is no cakewalk. And Tiwary, dont know what to say about him...well done and wish you best of Luck!

  • ThatsJustCricket on August 4, 2012, 22:06 GMT

    what else does this guy need to do to get a sustained run in the team???

  • street_smart on August 4, 2012, 22:10 GMT

    I hope that Indian team management should now realize that how much talented you are doesn't matter but what counts is the temperament shown in the pressure situation & when it matters the most. Indian selectors should drop Rohit in the next series so that he can got ke a break & get things sorted out & this will also now allow Indian team management to pursue partiality in the name of so called talent.

  • laxmanrules on August 4, 2012, 23:13 GMT

    I would rather watch rohit get out after playing 5 balls than watch tiwary score a hundred. He just looks sooooo baaad.....