'States need to look after their bowlers better'
Joe Dawes, the former India bowling coach, on managing workloads, the Ishant conundrum, and his top five current Indian bowlers
I think they are on their way. We worked hard with Umesh Yadav, Mohammed Shami, Ishant Sharma, Bhuvneshwar Kumar and Varun Aaron. I was a big fan of Ishwar Pandey. Then we had big Pankaj Singh last year. Seems to have fallen off a little bit, but there is six or seven guys. And you have three or four of those who can bowl 140-plus. I think they can form the basis of a very good bowling attack for the years to come. They are all young, bar Pankaj. They just need to be managed and not play every game of cricket that is played. Young quicks in India are just asked to bowl too much.
They'll learn consistency, but they are still young. They might have been around a while, but they are all 25 or under. I think Ishant has only just turned 26. They'll learn consistency.
That's their challenge - whether they want to be tough on themselves and become accountable. They have got the qualities to be good bowlers anywhere in the world. It's just whether they want to be tough and accountable.
No one means to bowl a bad ball. I think concentration is probably the right term. It's about just - obviously you have to try and bowl fast, they shouldn't be trying to bowl slowly - it's about being honest with themselves about their consistency. Practise good habits. Don't just bowl for the sake of it. Bowl with a purpose every time you do.
Frustrating, but you believe in what they will become. They are still young. They are still learning their trade. Best fast bowlers in the world take time to develop. They have got pace, they are nice blokes, they work hard. Some of them are still learning. Shami got thrown into international cricket, played a lot of cricket in his first 12 to 18 months. He had to learn a lot about how to look after his body better and everything else. That was part of his learning curve. Ishant has done it well. Others will do too.
Second Test in New Zealand, we dropped [Brendon] McCullum on 9. He went on to score 300. We take that catch, we win that Test easy. Joburg - couldn't bowl them out on the last day. Whether we had the right attack at that point is probably a question to be asked.
"Shami got thrown into international cricket, played a lot of cricket in his first 12 to 18 months. He had to learn a lot about how to look after his body better and everything else"
Probably all-round, really.
It was tough on Zak to come in at the age of 35-36. But what he probably lacked in penetration he offered in experience and advice to the youngsters. There is a bit of trade-off there.
I don't select the team, mate.
When I joined I expected it to be a tough job. It was a tough job. Especially away from India. But I was only talking to Sanjay Bangar today, the things we achieved, the friendships we made, the progress we made with that bowling group. Pretty happy with that. The improvement that Ishant made, came back into international cricket, stamped himself as a world-class bowler. More importantly, for me, he stamped himself at the leader of the attack, and started to look after that group and drive it. That is something I hope, I believe, I had a hand in.
Yes, to win a first Test overseas in three-four years or whatever it was, to be part of that was good. The only Tests overseas until then, in my time, had been in South Africa and New Zealand. To have gone close in South Africa and New Zealand, and to have knocked it over the line at the home of cricket was pretty special.
I think they got tired. Bhuvneshwar hurt his ankle, lost a bit of his sting. Ishant got injured. We lost him for the next two Test matches. Then we had that third Test and we dropped Alastair Cook on the first morning. Jaddu [Ravindra Jadeja] dropped him, I think. We were on top at that point. If you speak to the England guys and their dressing room, they say they could physically feel the change in their room when he got dropped. Because he was under pressure, his team was under pressure. If you have the captain under pressure, you are in a good position, and we let him off.
That would have been Pankaj's first Test wicket. He ended up waiting a Test and a bit for his first Test wicket. We were on top, we were creating opportunities. Stuart Binny played at Lord's, and he should have had a catch. MS missed it, I think.
He didn't go for it. That would have been his first Test wicket. Only Test wicket. That was disappointing. No one means to drop 'em, but we let ourselves down in that area.
Yeah. You know it is a communication thing between the keeper and the first slip. He takes a lot of catches. I think he was starting to get really tired at that stage.
I think we made some good progress. We started building a really good relationship with the NCA guys, but then some changes were made there, which I don't actually know a lot about. We were starting to develop a good bond between the national team and the NCA, but then they moved on to other jobs. States here need to look after their bowlers better. They need to look after their fast bowlers better.
When was the last time India produced and kept a bowler who could bowl 140-plus and stayed in international cricket for a long time?
And that is down in big part to how the states run. How they - and some states do it better than the others from what I saw - look after their fast bowlers. They have to learn to manage the workloads of their bowlers.
"When was the last time India produced and kept a bowler who could bowl 140-plus and stayed in international cricket for a long time?"
Because of the amount of cricket we were involved in in international cricket, we didn't see a lot of it. We see it when they come to international cricket. I mean, I have watched [Parwinder] Awana here. In the four years that I have worked with him, he has gone from 140 - early 140s - in his first IPL to this year when he is so tired from a big year of bowling where he is down to 130 at best. He has lost his zip. That's about being managed, about being rested at the right time, about him taking ownership and doing the work that is needed, and not bowling in between matches.
Maybe they have got to rest guys. We just see the end result. The actual bits and pieces that go on, it is interesting to see a little bit more of, but you just speak of them… we have got a couple of youngsters that say when they ask [state associations] not to bowl at training, they are told they have got bad attitude and that they are lazy when they are actually trying to manage their bodies. They may well be isolated incidents but this is what the young guys are telling us.
Well, Mitch [Johnson, who plays for Kings XI Punjab] comes here with a bowling plan. Every day that he is here there is a plan for how many balls is he to bowl.
We couldn't pull - I wasn't a selector - any guys out of cricket. We could make suggestions but they would then run into issues with their state teams.
We would discuss this as a management group. And then communicate it to the player what he needed to do.
We can only go with one incident. One of the youngsters where he is telling us he tells his folks he doesn't want to bowl, but…
No.
We had a young group. A young group trying to learn their trade in pretty tough conditions. They were on their way. England, I guess, they bowled well, but they learnt they needed to work. They probably had to work a bit harder physically. In their preparation. But you look at their 12-month schedule, where do they actually get that time to do that preparation? That's where I would have loved to have seen plans set out for bowlers 12 months in advance where we could rest bowlers for tours and things like that. Where we give them time to get fit and strong. That's where you would ideally like the system to get to.
You have to look at a 12-month scheme. If there is no cricket or a small tour after the IPL, let him play the IPL. And look at resting him for that small tour. That way you build a bigger pool of bowlers. But if you are going straight into an England tour, it would make sense to rest them somewhere along the line and give them a chance to get their body right to go on a big tour like that.
He is not quick, and he can't afford to lose that zip. He bowled a lot of overs in England. A lot of overs. You are trying to win games and doing things like that, but it takes its toll at the end of the day.
[Duncan] Fletcher [the head coach]. I guess Fletcher and MS.
"A couple of youngsters say when they ask [state associations] not to bowl at training, they are told they have got bad attitude and that they are lazy"
I spoke with Fletcher.
No, I don't want to talk about that.
I wasn't given any reasons. And I am not talking about that.
He used to over-stride. Just the pace of his run-up. The momentum of his run-up. He has got a bit of a funny run-up action.
Yeah, so as he was getting more tired, or getting a bit stronger, being in the group, doing gym, his stride patterns and running partners changed. So we needed to work on that. The pace at which he bowled in the World Cup, he seemed to have got that right. He needed a bit of rest too. He came into international cricket and, bang, he played a lot of it. Every match. Had such a good start. Then you start to get tired as you approach the end of a season.
Again, bit of an individual thing. You have got Varun Aaron. If there is a hair out of place he knows it. Whereas there are other guys who don't have a clue. It's the same everywhere.
It comes down to management. If bowlers are to have a long career, they cannot play every game. You can probably pick the right games or tour or series and still have a long career. You need the management and selectors to tell them, "We are giving you a rest for this series but you will be back for the one after."
Different skill sets. If it is Ishant Sharma - a really, really good Test match bowler, but I am not convinced T20 is his ideal format. So you say you give it up. I am not saying you give up, but if you had to give one up, you'd probably drop T20. But if you are Mohit Sharma, he is going to be a better exponent of the shorter format.
Then don't give it up. If you feel like that, don't give it up.
"Ishant Sharma is a really, really good Test match bowler, but I am not convinced T20 is his ideal format. So if you had to give one up, you'd probably drop T20"
There was talk at various times where we would have loved as a group to have a Rahul Dravid, maybe, in that role. There was plenty of times when we had really good communication. None of my business what has gone on in the last 18 months, but that has obviously thrown the whole shebang into chaos. Didn't really know what was going on. Prior to that we had pretty good information flow because of the relationship between Mr Srinivasan and the team management.
I know he hates it. He really hates it when people call him unlucky. I watched him bowl in New Zealand and South Africa. He was comfortably our best bowler. Honestly, he is unfairly judged against that one spell eight years ago, against Ricky Ponting. He did have a great day out. Everyone is like: why is he not bowling 140? There is no consistency in the radar guns. What might have been 140 that day might be 135 here and 145 somewhere else. To judge him by one spell, he has always been haunted by that. I think he has probably repeated that, but probably not on a Channel Nine radar.
That's a good question. He has probably been the most consistent bowler last 18 months. He has learnt a lot over the last 18 months. They will come. You have an asset of a guy, who has played 64 Tests by the time he is 25. Sure, his record may not be great, but he is still one of the top fast bowlers in the country. He is a good man. He looks after the other fast bowlers. You have found a leader of the attack for the next few years.
What is a wicket-taking length?
He just tries to hit the top of off wherever he bowls. Or he bowls the bouncer. Doesn't always manage it, but no bowler does.
If there was something specific we wanted done, I would sit MS down and communicate it to him. Or the bowlers would speak to him about it individually. He is not a big fan of meetings, but you could get your message across. He was always open.
Bits and pieces. Not a great deal. Send messages to the boys, say g'day. Caught up with a few of them. That's one of the great things I take out of the experience. Made some good friendships. That's the beauty of the IPL. I will go around and catch up with everyone. Young group. Made some good strides. They are learning. I think they will be a really good bowling group in a couple of years' time.
Ishant. A fit Bhuvneshwar. Varun Aaron. Umesh. On his form in Australia, you will have to go with Shami, I suppose. He might have lost his pace, but I was a big fan of Ishwar Pandey. Thought he could have been a really good line-and-length bowler. Managed properly, given the opportunity to be fit and strong, he might not go 140-145, but he can get the job done in helpful conditions.
Sidharth Monga is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo